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Re: [wernicke-korsakoff_syndrome] Re: Thiamine

I am always so glad to hear that there are others who are experiencing this . Wish I knew how WKS was diagnosed. I have heard MRI, or a neurologist can detect it, we have been to two neurologist that didn't know what WKS was..I guess its not that well knows and so many get mis diagnosed as well. My dad is sitting in jail for almost 20 days, I know that he is detoxed now. But I know jails don't care to treat him special or give his the meds he needs etc and vitamins. I found a mental health hospital that has a bed available for him on Monday, so I could bond him out and take him, but what if he decides to check himself out? That is what my concern is. Then he will be a danger all over again and this time I know he is mad at me for not getting him out thinking he has all this money. I will be the 1 st house he walks to demanding things. So i do feel safe with him in jail for now. When his court date comes..it could be a while to wait for that. I am hoping they will agree he needs a mental evaluation not by a jail personnel, but by a mental health specialists who are experienced in diagnosing him.  the jail nurse said he is lucid, cooperative and nice we don't see any mental issues. He knows the year is 2009. so in there book he is OK. I know my dad and I know he is not himself, he came to my house demanding my car and money, throwing a portable fore place at me, then finally shattering my sliding door to nothing.., a man with RSD suddenly walking all over town with no pain, thinking he has money in the bank to go buy cars, and travel fee, he has messages from the arc angel asking him to do things..he is not in his rite mind..this isn't being done for attention..this is real and he is a mess. and I'm running out of ideas for him. all I can do is wait for that court date, he is writing letters to his parents who are both 87years old, saying get him out he is being treated like  an animal, cold floor, no blankets,starving..etc..I know  he wants his alcohol and he is trying to get anyone to come bail him out..I have explained to my grandparents that he is safe, until we have a court date to see what they say and offer..hopefully y they will demand he gets the help he needs..Thanks for listening and sharing your thoughts...and Happy fathers day to all the fathers.

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, kathym530@... <kathym530@...> wrote:

From: kathym530@... <kathym530@...>
Subject: Re: [wernicke-korsakoff_syndrome] Re: Thiamine
To: wernicke-korsakoff_syndrome@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 11:55 AM

Hi all..I've been reading the thread and thought I'd update you on my mother as well.  She was diagnosed with WKS in January of 2003.  I found her on New Year's day in an alcholic stupor.  Her drinking had progressed rapidly from when my dad died in 1998.  She was admitted to the hospital for dehydration and pneuomonia.  She was also extremely malnourished.  As Kelly said, alcohol inhibits the body's ability to process thiamine and that is coupled with the fact that an alcoholic also tends to substitute alcohol for food.  My mother was barely eating and looked like an Aushwitz victim.  She hid this from us with clothing and got away with it because we were in a different state but in the hospital it was horrifying.  She was confabulating all sorts of situations and was completely unaware of her surroundings.  During her hospitalization, she lost the ability to walk and almost died due to the complications of pneumonia on her existing COPD.  But she did recover and was released to a locked Alziemers unit in a nursing home.  At this point she was not walking but kept getting out of bed and thus was a danger to herself and we were unsure if she did regain mobility what she would do.  After 2 weeks there and with physical and occupational therapy she regained her ability to walk, though with a walker, and it was clear that she was much higher functioning than the other patients.  Alziemers victims decline and WKS victims if they are receiving the high doses of thiamine and are NOT continuing to imbibe alcohol can arrest the progression of the disease. 
 
Eventually she was released and I moved her to my state...to an assisted living facility.  When she first moved in she had a high level of assistance.. .she did not take care of herself, she was lethargic and apathetic, unaware really of her surroundings, she needed reminders to eat, bathe and generally take care of all of the activities of daily living.  We had her tested neuropsychologicall y and the findings were consistant with WKS...her intellectual functioning was fine..long term memory not bad but she had amnesia with regard to the last 10 yrs or so and about a 3 minute short term memory loss.  Her neurologist prescribed Alziemers meds... Exelon and Namenda.  That seemed to clear some of the cobwebs.  Brightened her up a bit though did not help with the memory loss nor would it.  At the advent of playing bridge...something neurologically clicked and all of a sudden she had an interest in what was going on around her, she started taking copious notes and writing herself reminders.  She functions fairly well now and is even mobile without assistance.
 
Now, she is doing rather well.  She has issues with hoarding now...mostly food, books, magazines.  Some of it is more due to the fact that she forgets she has someting.  But she can't throw anything away.  She's compulsive.  Her quality of life is much better than it was though it saddens me that it is not what it could have been had alcoholism not been a part of it all.  She really has no insight into her life or abilities.  Basically its like parenting a teenager.  All impulse no thought.  But she seems to be happy  and I suppose that's what counts.  I hope this helps anyone....I know this group was a bit more active and immensely helpful to me back in 2003 when all this started.
 
blessings, Kathy



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Hi, I may have posted this before, but I wanted to make sure everyone knew it. I got sick with WKS a few years ago. Before that, I had another condition...
Sherry
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Jun 17, 2009
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Hi Sherry, who diagnosed yuou had WKS? I need to get my dad diagnosed as well. how do we get thiamine? is there aprescription for that? in high doses...
sunni stalbird
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Jun 17, 2009
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... I was diagnosed when I got extremely ill, by docs at the hospital. I, to this day, wonder if that was really true. Most people who have had WKS to the...
Sherry
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Jun 18, 2009
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I totally agree with Sherry, the same thing happened with my husband, the doctor's explained it to me along the line of when my husband's body processed...
kelli flynt
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Jun 20, 2009
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... I actually think I had a low thiamine level before any alcohol entered the picture. I suffered from gastroparesis. I may have already said this, so...
Sherry
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Jun 22, 2009
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Hi all..I've been reading the thread and thought I'd update you on my mother as well. She was diagnosed with WKS in January of 2003. I found her on New...
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Jun 20, 2009
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I am always so glad to hear that there are others who are experiencing this . Wish I knew how WKS was diagnosed. I have heard MRI, or a neurologist can detect...
sunni stalbird
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Jun 21, 2009
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Hi Sunni,   You need to tell them he's an alcoholic, not a mental patient.  And I'm just afraid if you bail him out you are asking for trouble.   Hang in...
Nora
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Jun 21, 2009
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Hi Sunni Nora is right, don't give in and bail him now, even if your dad has mental health issues he is unlikely to be able to be treated for them effectively...
Ali Hancock
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Jun 21, 2009
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WKS is a rare disease as it is....so not often diagnosed. My mother was very fortuntate that her attending physician was Romanian...and curious as to why she...
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Jun 21, 2009
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Thank you...are you sure he isnt both now an alcoholic and a mental patient, his sudden behavior changes..as well..this is so exhausting ... From: Nora...
sunni stalbird
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Jun 21, 2009
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Hi Sunni,   I believe from the way you described the "before" and "after" that the alcohol brought on the mental problems.  Didn't you say he was a...
Nora
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Jun 22, 2009
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Hi Sunni, keep your head up and know you are doing the right thing, your father is safe where he is at, leave him there for now.  While he is there you could...
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