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Re: [wernicke_korsakoff_syndrome] question

In a message dated 12/28/2004 9:40:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, wkvarnstrom@... writes:


When you have WKS, is it possible to have some days where you are
very clear and are in the present with your short term memory in
tact, and then have other days where it's all gone again? 


I appreciate any input that anyone has as I am desperately trying to
gain insight since my mom's diagnosis! 


Hi.  My mother does have better days than others.  Sometimes she does remember some short term memory things as well which is always suprising.  I am not sure if she is remembering or if she has come up with tricks to help her to remember.  She is writing lots of things down.  Her long term memory is mostly fine although anything from the last 5-7 years is gone. (that is when she really started to drink hard)  The confabulation is mostly gone but not completely.  She does come up with some doozies but not too often.  Her "shopping" is really fun.  She goes on the weekly trips but she buys the same things over and over.  She's got drawers and drawers full of popcorn and candy.  All hidden so that she doesn't remember that she has them.  I think that hoarding is a part of the dementia.  But the shopping makes her feel "normal" so I let it go on.  That is the craziest of all, she really has no insight into what is wrong so it can be difficult to explain without hurting her feelings why she can't do certain things.  And then this loss of control makes her angry at times.

Also, I have seen some people mention that you know after about a
year what symptoms will remain permanently.  Does that mean that
some new ones could develop over that year so you could actually be
worse a year from now than today with severe confusion,
confabulation, no short term memory, limited physical capabilities,
etc?


I don't think that things will necessarily get worse but once a thiamin regimin has begun and if they have stopped drinking it can take up to a year to see exactly how much is lost.   That seemed to be true for my mom as well and luckily no drinking.  I don't remember (no pun intended:) how many days in it was before they started her on thiamin, it was at least three and possible five days before the doctor came up with this diagnosis.  It's rare or at least its rarely diagnosed.  I think that period of time without the thiamin may be critical as well.  My mother was pretty sick when I brought her in and they were focusing on saving her life at first not so much what she had lost.  She couldn't walk at all by the time we left the hospital and wasn't responding to their physical therapy but once we got her into a nursing home where they worked with her more intensely we got her walking with a walker and now she can do without it (though she uses it for security and because I think she doesn't remembe that she doesnt' need it.) 

Anyway, hope this helps.  Keep writing with your questions.  It keeps the group active!  Take care, Kathy


Sun Jan 2, 2005 1:00 pm

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When you have WKS, is it possible to have some days where you are very clear and are in the present with your short term memory in tact, and then have other...
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In a message dated 12/28/2004 9:40:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... Hi. My mother does have better days than others. Sometimes she does remember some short...
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Jan 2, 2005
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Hi Kathy, Thank you so much for responding to my question! Your information is helpful. I am just so confused about the whole thing. She went into the...
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Jan 2, 2005
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Hi Julie, Sorry as always to hear about another person's bad news re. this condition. I just wanted to confirm that a glucose-drip is just about the worst...
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Jan 2, 2005
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Hi Steve, Thank you for your reply! It really does help hearing about other people going through this. I had never heard of it before and, as I said, we are...
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Jan 3, 2005
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Hi Julie: Glad to be of help. We've got to stick together here as this was one of my only sources of information through all of this. My mom was admitted to...
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Jan 2, 2005
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Hi Kathy, Wow! It is strange how there is this whole complication of alcoholism that I never knew about. I thought we had seen it all with my dad. I am...
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Jan 3, 2005
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If i may stick my 2 cents in,wernicke's/korsakoff's can be induced in a matter of 3 weeks, if the said subject is deficent in either vitamin B-1, or ...
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Hi Shawn, While I do not have the delerium or anger you spoke about, I have done very well on the antii-depressantTrazodone.....just fyi. Nora ...
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Jan 21, 2005
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Nora, interesting email, My mom has WKS, but the doctors only prescribed Zoloft and B12.. (doses of a benzodiazepine (specifically) lorazepam or clonazepam) ...
Kris Rampassard
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Jan 21, 2005
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Kris, The B12 is available over the counter, but the others are prescription only. As far as I can tell, the disease has just not been studied enough in the...
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To add even more cents, I forgot to mention that we had great difficulty in placing my mother when she was ready to be discharged due to her impulsive behavior...
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i honestly think the biggest injustice is that, the distillers and brewers aren't made to put a warning label on their products,"warning, may be associated ...
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Hi, I have been keeping up to date with all the comments been made. I sent an e-mail to one of our government health officers in the UK and asked him why we...
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Nicola, I agree that there could be more warning lables added to alcohol, but I don't know if it would make any difference. I know that my dad would not have...
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Hi Dave, Thanks for the input there I have to say I would prob agree to a certain extent but if it would help just one person stop then it would have been...
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Interesting Nora, my shrink (dr. do little) told me you either have it or you don't, his words were, (you can't just have a little wernicke's) but your right,...
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Thanks Nora, that's interesting because i'm currently on Trazodone, it's only been two months, but it has seemed to have lessend the inner panic/delerium....
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I live in the United States. Do any of you who also live here know of any clinic, doctors, hospitals, etc. that specialize in treating or diagnosing this...
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HI Amanda: Sorry about your Dad. I am in the Boston area and have heard of no special facilities anywhere in the states for this disease. It seems to be ...
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Kathy, I finally got disability too, although it took a long time. Nora kathym530@... wrote: HI Amanda: Sorry about your Dad. I am in the Boston area and...
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We have finally discovered my dad does have cirrhosis. He's had this disease for quite some time and is now apparently in liver failure. He's taking...
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Ok, I'm sure there are others with much more educated answers for you. But, here's a few thoughts. From what I know, the cirrhosis can cause hepatic...
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Amanda, my 52 year old husband has WKS and hepatic encepalopathy. The encepalopathy causes his blood to be high in ammonia, a toxin to the brain that adds to...
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Yeah!!! It is hepatic encephalopathy!!! The doctors won't talk to us. We've gone with my dad, we've tried without my dad. All they tell us is his levels are...
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In a message dated 1/23/2006 2:17:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, accp@... writes: need to know if you have any suggestions on how to approach doctors to get...
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Yes it is a Catch 22. I work for an attorney and have drawn up all sorts of POA's for my dad. He refuses to sign one. HE did sign one years ago for my mom...
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YES!!! That's exactly what my dad is taking!!! I may have missed it in your email, but how long has your husband been taking this medicine? I remember your...
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Amanda, My husband has taken Lactulose since shortly after he was admitted to the hospital two years ago. He was severely dehydrated and malnourished. When...
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