A new approach to the problem of ageing: a new hypothesis-
structural systemic conception of ageing. It is the constituent part
of the structural systemic synchronization conception.

Publication:
A.K. Kolomiytsev. Life duration: a new systemic hypothesis. Medical
Hypotheses (2002) 58(6), 540-543.

   We study the problem of life duration using the systemic
principles. We have morphological evidence for our concept. Now we
continue to study the morphology of senescence and develop practical
approach to the problem of life elongation that may be tested only in
a long-term experiment. Practically, we worked out two different ways
to achieve real results.

   For additional information and reprint order please send e-mail to:
kolomiytsev@...

Armel/Ramachandran Study:

Below are news releases about a recnet study that has implications for
explaining
TT practitioners' claim to sense a "human energy field" and problem areas
in it:

http://bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97now/03_6now/030612c.html


  Flinching Over Fake Fingers
--CHARLES CHOI

Magicians often use quick hands to fool the eye. Now scientists find that
people react to injuries committed against fake rubber hands and even
tables, as if they were parts of their own bodies. Researchers say these
findings show that the brain's concept of the body is surprisingly
impressionable...

==============

http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/proc_bio/news/armel.html


New research shows we are not what we think

by KC Armel and VS Ramachandran

(Published in 22 July issue of Proc B p. 1499)
Intriguing new research findings involving fake rubber hands in 'hand
illusion' experiments, show that rather than body image being 'hard-wired',
it is in fact very malleable and that we continually update our body image
based on information from vision and touch...

If you want to discuss TT from a repectful perspective, join:


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TT_Research/

Rich Haslam

If that's what's gonna happen, before we dissolve into cyberspace i'd be
interested in hearing what happened to Eric - you know, the original
moderator. Honestly if this list is gonna be moderated by a guy whose style
of debate is to post phoney defamatory pix, it's prolly best to shut it
down. Life's just too much fun to spend it drawing mustaches on other
people's pix...

regards - grant


At 02:34 PM 30-07-03 -0500, you wrote:
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>
>It has been suggested to the moderator that this list just be shut down,
>because there is nothing worthwhile going on here.
>
>Comments???
>
>
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>Moderator
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
>    From: "John Stone" <jxstone@...>
> Subject: Suspension of list member
> "bear" has been suspended from posting messages to this group...

Wow, this sounds like censorship to me.

Is it because he made some comments about you, John?


Rich Haslam

Member of the Ancient Healing Arts Association
www.ancienthealingarts.org
1-866-843-2422

Protecting our members right to practice, and the public's right of
unfettered choice.

Wouldn't you like to be associated with a group that treats others with the
same consideration YOU expect, and give to your clients?

It has been suggested to the moderator that this list just be shut down,
because there is nothing worthwhile going on here.

Comments???



Moderator

At 05:24 PM 29-07-03 -0500, you wrote:
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>"bear" has been suspended from posting messages to this group for slander of
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>material reguarding other individuals who are not members of this list.
>
>"bear" may continue to read messages posted to the list.
>
>Moderator

So i take it there's been a coup, and JS is now running this list? How odd...

grant

"bear" has been suspended from posting messages to this group for slander of
other list members and repition of false, misleading, and libelous internet
material reguarding other individuals who are not members of this list.

"bear" may continue to read messages posted to the list.

Moderator

more news from tim bolen's website...

http://quackpotwatch.org/

i always wondered why someone would 'retire' from psychiatry? I mean
after all, it isn't even 'real' medicine, just smoke and mirrors. Below
is the most plausible explanation for Barrett's retirement I have ever
seen.

Of course the cognoscenti already figured out what an idiot Barrett was
when he put his name on the ole JAMA article...

As always, I cannot attest to the accuracy of Tim's comments - but I can
attest to the inaccuracy and bias of Barrett's work and given a choice
between trusting Tim Bolen and trusting Stephen Barrett - well that is
just a no-brainer - even johnboy stoner has enough brain cells to figure
that out - well maybe that is assuming too much functionality for both
of johnboy's remaining brain cells...

bear


Quackpot Barrett Crushed in Federal Court - Again...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

June 25th, 2003



Some people never learn.  Stephen Barrett (quackwatch.com) seems to be
one of those.

Despite loss after loss, and humiliation on top of humiliation, self
styled  "quackbuster" Stephen Barrett trudges on to the next
embarrassment.

Like a bug in the fast lane,  Barrett is doomed to be wiped off the
windshield of the North American Health Freedom Movement time after
time, I guess.

This time, Barrett, apparently stung from defeats in other arenas, and
perhaps trying to reclaim some dignity from a world becoming accustomed
to laughing at his anti-health antics, sued the attorney, Carlos
Negrete, he's come to associate with his steady downfall in the politics
of health care.

I'm not sure what the subject of Barrett's suit against Negrete in
Federal Court in San Diego was all about.  Barrett submits volumes of
whiney material in his court actions, none of which, to me, seems to be
acquainted with reality.  But what I do know, is that Barrett used as
his own attorney, one Morse Mehrban, listed as the general counsel of
the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF).  It was Mehrban who
was quoted in the LA Law Journal as saying "I consider suicide daily."

"Suicide daily?"

Negrete flattened them both - without breaking a sweat.  Another victory
for GOOD, in the battle against EVIL.

Of course, Barrett also sued, in the same lawsuit, world renowned
health-humanitarian Hulda Regehr Clark PhD, N.D.  Barrett can't seem to
talk, or write,  these days, without bringing up Clark's name in some
way.  So, I'm not surprised he put Clark's name in the lawsuit.  He
describes her as "Unlicensed Naturopath Hulda Clark," in his writing.
His hatred and resentment of her accomplishments, compared to his, are
obvious.  He lost to Clark, too...

Barrett had to allegedly "retire" from the medical profession, giving up
his license in 1993, when he was in his mid-50's.  He admits that he
didn't have enough medical practice income in 1993 to even pay the
required malpractice insurance premiums.  Barrett, who claims to be a
retired Psychiatrist, was forced to admit in court documents (forced by
Negrete) that he only had nine patients all year, each year, for several
years, before he supposedly  "retired."  Psychiatrists get their
patients from referrals from other MDs.  Doctors in the LeHigh Valley of
Pennsylvania just weren't sending him any business.  Anybody wonder why?

And now Barrett is failing as a "quackbuster."

By the way -  Barrett lost in an anti-SLAPP motion, which means he gets
to pay Negrete, and Clark's, attorney fees...



Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

geee John stone calling someone else's behavior:

"The posting of this false, malicious, and libelous information on the
pages of yahoogroups is both liblous in itself and a violation of the
terms of service of yahoogroups."


well that pretty well beats all from my perspective. john stone, whose
mind, on the best days, is somewhere between gutter and sewer,
complaining about someone else's behavior.

would anyone in their right mind trust a post at www.quackwatch.com???

i mean give me a break - barrett is a known fraud along with
co-conspirators rosa, ros, and sarner. .

bear



On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 11:25, tt@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> There are 2 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. could it be john boy???
>            From: Bear <tc_spirit@...>
>       2. Posting of Tom Cox on the TT List
>            From: "John Stone" <jxstone@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: 21 Jul 2003 00:24:23 -0400
>    From: Bear <tc_spirit@...>
> Subject: could it be john boy???
>
> I thought this was interesting. i was cruising by tim bolen's site again
> and checked out a calif lawsuit.
>
> could it be that our severely retarded, and self-abusing chum john stone
> is THE john stone listed in the lawsuit?
>
> I also noted that some of our former listserve members - rebecca long
> and some of the other quackheads that used to hang out here but have
> been strangely silent the last year or so are in there.
>
> interesting that www.quackwatch.com doesn't have any banners about the
> biggest fraud ever perpetrated on JAMA - the carefully orchestrated
> publicity grabbing myth of emily rosa having been a genius and having
> conducted a study of TT.
>
> Interesting that we don't ever hear from mathematically and
> statistically challenged larry sarner, the very average emily rosa, and
> the far more vitriolic than intelligent Linda Rosa... Of course poor
> stupid stephen barrett is just dumber than ...
>
> just where exactly is it that poor stupid skeptics go when they find
> themselves impaled on logic, science, and rationality???
>
> bear
>
> News Release
> For Immediate Release
> July 23, 2001
>
>
> Barrett, Baratz, Polevoy and Quackwatch named in legal action (cross
> complaint) filed today in California
> NEW CENTURY PRESS filed an action today for:
>
>       * UNLAWFUL, UNFAIR AND FRAUDULENT BUSINESS PRACTICES;
>
>       * VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS:
>
>       * INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE WITH PROSPECTIVE ADVANTAGE;
>
>       * NEGLIGENT INTERFERENCE WITH PROSPECTIVE ADVANTAGE;
>
>       * CIVIL RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS [RICO],
>
>       * MALICIOUS PROSECUTION;
>
>       * ABUSE OF PROCESS NEGLIGENCE & CIVIL CONSPIRACY;
>
> The claim was filed against:
>      1. STEPHEN J. BARRETT, M.D.;
>      2. JUDITH BARRETT, M.D.;
>      3. TERRY POLEVOY, M.D.;
>      4. CHRISTOPHER E. GRELL;
>      5. QUACKWATCH, INC.;
>      6. QUACKWATCH.COM;
>      7. LEHIGH VALLEY
>      8. COMMITTEE AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD;
>      9. NATIONAL COUNCIL AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD, INC.;
>     10. NCAHF;
>     11. HEALTHWATCHER.NET;
>     12. GEORGIA COUNCIL AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD, INC.;
>     13. REBECCA LONG;
>     14. REBEKAH JOHNSON;
>     15. SCOTSOFT RESEARCH;
>     16. SSR.COM;
>     17. HCRC.ORG;
>     18. ARON PRIMACK;
>     19. PETER W. PAPPAS;
>     20. JOSEPH PIZZORNO;
>     21. ROBERT S. BARATZ, M.D.;
>     22. WILLIAM T. JARVIS;
>     23. TIM GORSKI;
>     24. JOHN STONE;
>     25. WILLIAM ROSS aka BILL ROSS;
>     26. PETER BOWDITCH;
>     27. MONICA PIGNOTTI;
>     28. PAUL LEE;
>     29. MICHAEL MCNEIL;
>     30. PAUL HILLING;
>     31. J.A. LYONS;
>     32. PAUL SMITH;
>     33. QUACKBUSTERS OF THE ILLUMINATI;
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 06:29:02 -0500
>    From: "John Stone" <jxstone@...>
> Subject: Posting of Tom Cox on the TT List
>
>
>
>
> Today, Thomas Cox, who posts under the pseudomyn, "bear", posted a message,
> (enclosed below, with headers),  allegedly pertaining and repeating a
> California lawsuit, filed by Attorney Carlos Negrete.
>
> In this lawsuit, which was actually a countersuit to another lawsuit, there
> were about 30 individuals named, also named were at least one ficticious
> person, one web domain name, and at least one friend of the principal in the
> case.
>
> In the lawsuit individuals were accuse of numerous crimes, even though it
> was a civil lawsuit, and contained other false and liblous information. A
> suit is presently under consideration for Malicious Prosecution against
> Attorney Negrete, and whoever might have been his clients at the time.
>
> This lawsuit has been dismissed without hearing and without comment.
>
> The posting of this false, malicious, and libelous information on the pages
> of yahoogroups is both liblous in itself and a violation of the terms of
> service of yahoogroups. I request that yahoo groups.com remove this message
> from the archives of this group, and instruct the sender not to repeat the
> libel thru the Yahoo servers.
>
> The full story of this lawsuit can be found at these locations.
>
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark4.htm
>
> http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/negrete.html
>
> Your prompt attention to this matter is appreciated.
>
> John Stone
>
> Cc: Abhurst and Accociates, PC
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> I thought this was interesting. i was cruising by tim bolen's site again and
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>
> could it be that our severely retarded, and self-abusing chum john stone is
> THE john stone listed in the lawsuit?
>
> I also noted that some of our former listserve members - rebecca long and
> some of the other quackheads that used to hang out here but have been
> strangely silent the last year or so are in there.
>
> interesting that www.quackwatch.com doesn't have any banners about the
> biggest fraud ever perpetrated on JAMA - the carefully orchestrated
> publicity grabbing myth of emily rosa having been a genius and having
> conducted a study of TT.
>
> Interesting that we don't ever hear from mathematically and statistically
> challenged larry sarner, the very average emily rosa, and the far more
> vitriolic than intelligent Linda Rosa... Of course poor stupid stephen
> barrett is just dumber than ...
>
> just where exactly is it that poor stupid skeptics go when they find
> themselves impaled on logic, science, and rationality???
>
> bear
>
> News Release
> For Immediate Release
> July 23, 2001
>
>
> Barrett, Baratz, Polevoy and Quackwatch named in legal action (cross
> complaint) filed today in California
> NEW CENTURY PRESS filed an action today for:
>
>       * UNLAWFUL, UNFAIR AND FRAUDULENT BUSINESS PRACTICES;
>
>       * VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS:
>
>       * INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE WITH PROSPECTIVE ADVANTAGE;
>
>       * NEGLIGENT INTERFERENCE WITH PROSPECTIVE ADVANTAGE;
>
>       * CIVIL RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS [RICO],
>
>       * MALICIOUS PROSECUTION;
>
>       * ABUSE OF PROCESS NEGLIGENCE & CIVIL CONSPIRACY;
>
> The claim was filed against:
>      1. STEPHEN J. BARRETT, M.D.;
>      2. JUDITH BARRETT, M.D.;
>      3. TERRY POLEVOY, M.D.;
>      4. CHRISTOPHER E. GRELL;
>      5. QUACKWATCH, INC.;
>      6. QUACKWATCH.COM;
>      7. LEHIGH VALLEY
>      8. COMMITTEE AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD;
>      9. NATIONAL COUNCIL AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD, INC.;
>     10. NCAHF;
>     11. HEALTHWATCHER.NET;
>     12. GEORGIA COUNCIL AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD, INC.;
>     13. REBECCA LONG;
>     14. REBEKAH JOHNSON;
>     15. SCOTSOFT RESEARCH;
>     16. SSR.COM;
>     17. HCRC.ORG;
>     18. ARON PRIMACK;
>     19. PETER W. PAPPAS;
>     20. JOSEPH PIZZORNO;
>     21. ROBERT S. BARATZ, M.D.;
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>     30. PAUL HILLING;
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Today, Thomas Cox, who posts under the pseudomyn, "bear", posted a message,
(enclosed below, with headers),  allegedly pertaining and repeating a
California lawsuit, filed by Attorney Carlos Negrete.

In this lawsuit, which was actually a countersuit to another lawsuit, there
were about 30 individuals named, also named were at least one ficticious
person, one web domain name, and at least one friend of the principal in the
case.

In the lawsuit individuals were accuse of numerous crimes, even though it
was a civil lawsuit, and contained other false and liblous information. A
suit is presently under consideration for Malicious Prosecution against
Attorney Negrete, and whoever might have been his clients at the time.

This lawsuit has been dismissed without hearing and without comment.

The posting of this false, malicious, and libelous information on the pages
of yahoogroups is both liblous in itself and a violation of the terms of
service of yahoogroups. I request that yahoo groups.com remove this message
from the archives of this group, and instruct the sender not to repeat the
libel thru the Yahoo servers.

The full story of this lawsuit can be found at these locations.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark4.htm

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/negrete.html

Your prompt attention to this matter is appreciated.

John Stone

Cc: Abhurst and Accociates, PC
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I thought this was interesting. i was cruising by tim bolen's site again and
checked out a calif lawsuit.

could it be that our severely retarded, and self-abusing chum john stone is
THE john stone listed in the lawsuit?

I also noted that some of our former listserve members - rebecca long and
some of the other quackheads that used to hang out here but have been
strangely silent the last year or so are in there.

interesting that www.quackwatch.com doesn't have any banners about the
biggest fraud ever perpetrated on JAMA - the carefully orchestrated
publicity grabbing myth of emily rosa having been a genius and having
conducted a study of TT.

Interesting that we don't ever hear from mathematically and statistically
challenged larry sarner, the very average emily rosa, and the far more
vitriolic than intelligent Linda Rosa... Of course poor stupid stephen
barrett is just dumber than ...

just where exactly is it that poor stupid skeptics go when they find
themselves impaled on logic, science, and rationality???

bear

News Release
For Immediate Release
July 23, 2001


Barrett, Baratz, Polevoy and Quackwatch named in legal action (cross
complaint) filed today in California
NEW CENTURY PRESS filed an action today for:

       * UNLAWFUL, UNFAIR AND FRAUDULENT BUSINESS PRACTICES;

       * VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS:

       * INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE WITH PROSPECTIVE ADVANTAGE;

       * NEGLIGENT INTERFERENCE WITH PROSPECTIVE ADVANTAGE;

       * CIVIL RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS [RICO],

       * MALICIOUS PROSECUTION;

       * ABUSE OF PROCESS NEGLIGENCE & CIVIL CONSPIRACY;

The claim was filed against:
      1. STEPHEN J. BARRETT, M.D.;
      2. JUDITH BARRETT, M.D.;
      3. TERRY POLEVOY, M.D.;
      4. CHRISTOPHER E. GRELL;
      5. QUACKWATCH, INC.;
      6. QUACKWATCH.COM;
      7. LEHIGH VALLEY
      8. COMMITTEE AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD;
      9. NATIONAL COUNCIL AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD, INC.;
     10. NCAHF;
     11. HEALTHWATCHER.NET;
     12. GEORGIA COUNCIL AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD, INC.;
     13. REBECCA LONG;
     14. REBEKAH JOHNSON;
     15. SCOTSOFT RESEARCH;
     16. SSR.COM;
     17. HCRC.ORG;
     18. ARON PRIMACK;
     19. PETER W. PAPPAS;
     20. JOSEPH PIZZORNO;
     21. ROBERT S. BARATZ, M.D.;
     22. WILLIAM T. JARVIS;
     23. TIM GORSKI;
     24. JOHN STONE;
     25. WILLIAM ROSS aka BILL ROSS;
     26. PETER BOWDITCH;
     27. MONICA PIGNOTTI;
     28. PAUL LEE;
     29. MICHAEL MCNEIL;
     30. PAUL HILLING;
     31. J.A. LYONS;
     32. PAUL SMITH;
     33. QUACKBUSTERS OF THE ILLUMINATI;


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I thought this was interesting. i was cruising by tim bolen's site again
and checked out a calif lawsuit.

could it be that our severely retarded, and self-abusing chum john stone
is THE john stone listed in the lawsuit?

I also noted that some of our former listserve members - rebecca long
and some of the other quackheads that used to hang out here but have
been strangely silent the last year or so are in there.

interesting that www.quackwatch.com doesn't have any banners about the
biggest fraud ever perpetrated on JAMA - the carefully orchestrated
publicity grabbing myth of emily rosa having been a genius and having
conducted a study of TT.

Interesting that we don't ever hear from mathematically and
statistically challenged larry sarner, the very average emily rosa, and
the far more vitriolic than intelligent Linda Rosa... Of course poor
stupid stephen barrett is just dumber than ...

just where exactly is it that poor stupid skeptics go when they find
themselves impaled on logic, science, and rationality???

bear

News Release
For Immediate Release
July 23, 2001


Barrett, Baratz, Polevoy and Quackwatch named in legal action (cross
complaint) filed today in California
NEW CENTURY PRESS filed an action today for:

       * UNLAWFUL, UNFAIR AND FRAUDULENT BUSINESS PRACTICES;

       * VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS:

       * INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE WITH PROSPECTIVE ADVANTAGE;

       * NEGLIGENT INTERFERENCE WITH PROSPECTIVE ADVANTAGE;

       * CIVIL RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS [RICO],

       * MALICIOUS PROSECUTION;

       * ABUSE OF PROCESS NEGLIGENCE & CIVIL CONSPIRACY;

The claim was filed against:
      1. STEPHEN J. BARRETT, M.D.;
      2. JUDITH BARRETT, M.D.;
      3. TERRY POLEVOY, M.D.;
      4. CHRISTOPHER E. GRELL;
      5. QUACKWATCH, INC.;
      6. QUACKWATCH.COM;
      7. LEHIGH VALLEY
      8. COMMITTEE AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD;
      9. NATIONAL COUNCIL AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD, INC.;
     10. NCAHF;
     11. HEALTHWATCHER.NET;
     12. GEORGIA COUNCIL AGAINST HEALTH FRAUD, INC.;
     13. REBECCA LONG;
     14. REBEKAH JOHNSON;
     15. SCOTSOFT RESEARCH;
     16. SSR.COM;
     17. HCRC.ORG;
     18. ARON PRIMACK;
     19. PETER W. PAPPAS;
     20. JOSEPH PIZZORNO;
     21. ROBERT S. BARATZ, M.D.;
     22. WILLIAM T. JARVIS;
     23. TIM GORSKI;
     24. JOHN STONE;
     25. WILLIAM ROSS aka BILL ROSS;
     26. PETER BOWDITCH;
     27. MONICA PIGNOTTI;
     28. PAUL LEE;
     29. MICHAEL MCNEIL;
     30. PAUL HILLING;
     31. J.A. LYONS;
     32. PAUL SMITH;
     33. QUACKBUSTERS OF THE ILLUMINATI;

I was following an old link from Grant today and found this, which i
offer without any ability to validate it. Maybe others want to provide
some more input. It sounds plausible to me, but then the rosa article
sounded plausible to brain dead skeptics...

I am still curious about what became of scientific review of alternative
medicine, but with a known quack like stephen barrett in their ranks i
guess they were doomed from the start...


http://www.quackpotwatch.org/default.htm

For Quackbuster's NCAHF - It's All Over But The Shouting...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

July 9th, 2003



The Quackbuster Flagship sank today.  A Three Judge California Appeals
Court broad-sided it.  Let's all go watch it slide under the waves.
Bring a bottle of wine and some paper cups.

We already know that the quackbusters have ZERO credibility with the
American court system.   So it's not going to be a surprise to anyone
that the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF), today, lost the
decision they appealed over the case called "NCAHF v. Botanical
laboratories, et al."

Here are the the Three Judge Panel's words...

"Conclusion - Appellant (NCAHF) believes that no one should be allowed
to market homeopathic remedies.  Congress has decided otherwise, and
officially recognizes the Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia.  Appellant's
broad-brush approach of sweeping all homeopathic remedies into a single
bag marked "undesirable" simply does not work in the courts, where each
claimed instance of unfair advertising and unfair business practice must
be closely scrutinized.  Appellant failed to present any admissible
evidence in this case that respondents are guilty of false advertising
and unfair business practices with respect to any of their products."

The NCAHF lost on a SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public
Participation) Motion.  Which means they owe the Defendants Attorney
Fees. Al Lohrman, chief counsel on this case, said to me, today,  in an
e-mail  "By the way, the trial court also awarded us attorneys' fees on
our anti-SLAPP motion, as provided by law."

And, there's the rub.

The NCAHF is operating out of a cardboard box in the back room of Bobbie
Baratz's Braintree, MA hair removal salon, and has so little money, that
Baratz begged members for cash, offering a picture of me (Tim Bolen) as
an incentive for contribution.

According to court documents, NCAHF Board members, it turns out, were
COMPLETELY UNAWARE that Baratz and Barrett had made the NCAHF the
Plaintiff in these cases.  Court documents show that Baratz and Barrett
had set up this case to generate  "expert witness" fees for themselves.
Baratz is the current President of the NCAHF.  Barrett is a failed MD
who operates the dubious website quackwatch.com out of his basement in
Allentown. PA.

Legal fees, by my estimate, will run around $500,000 to $700,000.  It
looks to me, like the individual NCAHF BOARD MEMBERS, and the MEMBERS,
may be legally liable for the attorney fees...

The court, in it's decision, quoted the earlier Health Freedom Appeals
Court Victory in NCAHF v. King Bio like this:

"In the context of a lawsuit against homeopathic manufacturers of
homeopathic remedies, 'there is nothing in the nature of a false
advertising action that makes it difficult for a plaintiff to prove
allegations of the complaint.  The homeopathic remedies are marketed and
readily available for testing by the plaintiff.  The falsity of  the
advertising claims may be established by testing, scientific literature,
or anecdotal evidence.' (NCAHF v King Bio).  Appellant provided no
admissible, prima facie evidence that the respondents' advertising is,
in fact, false....In addition, appellant presented no evidence at all
that respondents' advertising is likely to deceive consumers."

I've put the whole case decision on my website.  Click here...

For the Quackbuster's NCAHF - it's all over but the shouting.



Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

I have recently completed my Basic TT course and have used it in my
workplace. I've had great success at settling some very distressed
newborn babes.These are those babies who have been fed,have dry
nappies(diapers)and for some reason or another just are unable to
settle. When I use TT they just settle and drift off to sleep
immediately.
Caroline

just forwarding a message from Jon S. who had done some TT
research in the past:

------------- Forwarded message follows -------------

The Jon Seskevich Stress Management Connection
Friends,
Hello and Namaste, here is some cool info I thought you might
appreciate.  I
am an advanced practice nurse, specializing in stress and pain
management
education at a major university hospital. I have studied meditation,
spirituality and healing with Ram Dass and always enjoys chanting and
playing my harmonium. I would like to send out email newsletters a
couple of
times a year like this.

Please forward this information or any parts of it to those you think
may be
interested.
May all be peaceful,
Jon Seskevich RN
PS: Nursing is always looking for a few good men and women! Check
out a
nursing school near you to find out more. I would be happy to discuss
nursing with you. I’ve worked in hospitals full time since 1975.

PSS If you would like to be off this email list, please reply to this
email
with the word remove in the subject line.
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First I am happy to share about my new audio compact disc.
Stress management:
Illness gives you stress; and stress can make illness worse.
This CD is an updated and expanded version my stress management
teachings
with two guided relaxations. Here are the tracks
1. I could use some good stress for a change. 1:17
2. Individual make-up 2:45
3. Signs of stress & ineffective coping 4:40
4. What works 20:53
5. Methods of relaxation survey 5:45
6. Guided relaxation breathing instruction 3:00
7. Relaxation breathing practice 15:09
8. Soothing imagery exercise (Bonus Track) 18:40

To get a copy of this CD email: jon@... or call
(919)
286-1207. Or mail a check for $10.00 (includes first class postage.)
To Jon
Seskevich 1017 Iredell St. Durham, NC 27705. This new CD and all
Jon’s video
and cassettes are available at the Duke University Medical Center
Bookstore
Durham, NC 919 684-2717.  Not available online yet.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
My videotape and audiotape special is still available online.
Barbie Dossey, (Larry’s wife and expert holistic nurse) has said this
about
my video, Guided Relaxation with Touch Therapy:
Your marvelous video is timeless.
Visit: http://managestress.info/html/guided-relax-video.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have a couple of new web domain names that take you or people
you refer to
my site:
http://managestress.info  http://managepain.info
There are 50 visitors and about 300 hits each day to my website.
Thank you
for visiting and for letting others know about this valuable resource for
stress, illness and pain management!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chanting Workshops
This coming Friday May 30th 7:30-9:00 pm
Join us at A Yoga Studio in north Raleigh for an evening of Chanting.
Let
the incredible power of sound and vibration work for you to release
you from
your worldly concerns and physical discomforts. Jon Seskevich is an
advanced
practice nurse, specializing in stress and pain management with Duke
University; a Healing Touch therapy practitioner; founder of the Flying
Monkey Foundation; and has studied meditation and healing with
Ram Dass.
Jon's chanting mentors include Krishna Das and Robert Gass, the
director of
the "On Wings of Song" chorus. Jon sings on two chanting albums
released
last fall. No experience required.
A Yoga Studio  200 Sawmill Rd.  Suite 101  Raleigh, NC 27615
919-782-4358    $13
http://www.ayogastudio.com/chanting_ws.htm
Registration available in advance or at the door.
Saturday Aug.  17th  2pm-4pm
Chanting at the Yoga Spot in Durham.
http://yogaspot.com/workpage/workshp.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------
RD in DC
As many of you know over time, I’ve assisted the crew of monkeys
helping to
sponsor programs with my spiritual friend and guru-brother Ram
Dass. This
fall he will be speaking in DC for his only southeast stop. Please come
support this benefit for the Ram Dass Tape Library.
September 28, 2003 // Washington, DC - "An Evening with Ram
Dass," The event
will be on the evening of Sunday Sept. 28 and it will probably be at
Lisner
Auditorium on the George Washington University campus. Please
contact Linda
Kleckner by email or phone to get all the latest information on the
benefit
for Ram Dass’ closest visit to North Carolina this year. Also if you are
in
the DC area and would like to volunteer to support this event contact
Linda.
   Email MKleck8672@... and phone: 703-524-0030
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fierce Grace
"Fierce Grace" the award-winning documentary about Ram Dass is now
on video
(both VHS and DVD). The long-awaited video contains the full 90-
minute film
PLUS about 20 minutes of "out-takes" that were omitted from the
theater-version, including biographies of Ram Dass and film-maker
Mickey
Lemle, and chanting by Krishna Das.

The message of "Fierce Grace" is universal; the film has won acclaim
from
such diverse sources as Newsweek Magazine (which called it "one of
the
year's five best documentaries"), Spirituality and Health Magazine
(which
named it "one of the year's ten most spiritually-literate
documentaries"),
and High Times Magazine (which gave the film its coveted "Stony
Award"). It
has been shown at film festivals around the world.

To order or to learn more about Fierce Grace visit:
http://ramdasstapes.org/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chanting Weekend Retreat at Southern Dharma in the beautiful
mountains of
Hot Springs, North Carolina
Jon Seskevich & Mark Smith    October 3 - 5, 2003
Donations made to the teachers, 2 Nights $110 including room and
food.

We at Southern Dharma Retreat Center are very excited that on the
18th
anniversary of the founding of the Chapel Hill, NC Universal Chanting
Group,
Jon and Mark will return to Southern Dharma, where it all began, to
share a
full weekend of chanting. Chanting, or Kirtan, is part of the path of
devotional yoga, the yoga of the heart. These ancient chants contain
a
transformative power and healing energy. No previous experience is
needed.
All singing voices welcome. There will be time for sitting practice, time
for yoga, and an evening of sacred dances of universal peace. Jon
and Mark
receive no payment from the retreat fee. They offer themselves to
the
retreat on a “Dana” basis. Dana is a Pali word which translated
means “the
spirit and generosity that is rooted in love and compassion for all
beings.”
Donations are accepted at the end of the retreat for the leaders.

To register visit http://www.southerndharma.org/seskevich.htm or
contact:
Southern Dharma Retreat Center, 1661 West Road, Hot Springs, NC
28743
828  622-7112   info@...
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The Vital Quartet: Safe, Sane, Complementary Therapies for Cancer.
Tuesday Sept. 2nd  7-9pm
This year I presented this talk that was very well received, by
hundreds of
people at the Oncology Nursing Society’s annual meeting in Denver,
Colorado.
On Sept 2nd, I will present about CAM therapies at the Cornucopia
House in
Chapel Hill. Please visit their website
http://www.cornucopiahouse.org/educatio.htm or email: Mindy Gellen
@
chsupport@...
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Hospital Work and Research
I have been recognized on the Expert's List at Duke University Medical
Center for Stress Management, Pain Management, and
Complementary and
Alternative Therapies.  http://news.mc.duke.edu/experts/detail.php?
id=29

Here is an excellent story about Integrative Medicine and Nursing at
Duke
with my picture even!
http://www.dukemagazine.duke.edu/dukemag/issues/091002/health2.
html

I am teaching meditation in an NIH supported research study at Duke
University Medical Center for people with blood pressure readings
between
130/85 and 160/100. It is called the Calm Down Study. Jim Lane PhD
is the
principal investigator. If you do not have an active meditation practice
and
live in the Durham-Raleigh-Chapel Hill area, and are interested in a
research study to help blood pressure contact Tara at (919) 681-
4373. It is
OK if you are, or are not on blood pressure medications. The study
lasts 3
months and you will receive $150 at the end of the study.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Universal Chanting Monthly on the 3rd Sunday every month in Chapel
Hill, NC
for 18 years now. Please mark your calendar and join us. 536 Edward
Ridge
Road (off Mt. Carmel Church Road near the Governor’s Club Golf
Course in
Chapel Hill, NC. Call Gaines Steer 919 968-8440 for more directions if
needed.
This is from an article in the Durham, NC Morning Herald newspaper
Mind-body Connection        by Mark Schultz (mis@...)
Not that chanters can't appreciate a little rock now and then. Copies of
"Abraxas" and "Born to Run" share shelf space with "Himalayan
Melodies of
Nepal" in Jon Seskevich's Iredell Street living room. The advanced
practice
nurse at Duke University sings in a local monthly chanting group,
Universal
Chanting, and teaches patients guided relaxation and meditation to
handle
stress. Seskevich strongly believes in the mind-body connection.
Stress -
which he calls the body's response to change - factors in more than
half of
all disease, Seskevich said. People under stress tend to take shallow
breaths that don't take in enough oxygen. Teaching patients to
repeat words
in concert with deep abdominal breathing is some of the best
medicine he can
offer. "Sometimes you can't control health problems coming at you,"
he said.
"You can control your response to them."
A born Methodist, Seskevich today practices a personal religion with
three
tenets: Love everyone, serve anyone and remember God. When he
teaches
chanting, he picks words and phrases that respect people's religious
traditions. Most faiths feature some form of repetitive singing, he
said.
Unlike hymns, however, chants are open ended. They cycle until the
chanter
feels it is time to end. And that, he said, comes only with
practice. "For
me, chanting is a way to quiet the mind and open the heart, a way of
deepening one's spiritual connections," he said. "If we try to analyze
and
figure it out, it kind of keeps you on the intellectual level."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you interested in sponsoring a 7-10 day meditation retreat?
John Orr has been teaching meditation and leading retreats in the
United
States and abroad since 1980. To those of you who may be interested
in
sponsoring a meditation retreat, John is now available to teach 7-10
day
retreats. He received monastic ordination and training in meditation
and
yoga for a period of eight years while living in Thailand and India as a
Theravadin Buddhist monk. His teachers include Ajahn Chaa, Ajahn
Buddhadasa,
and S. N. Geonka. A former teacher at the Insight Meditation Society
in
Barre, Massachusetts, John is the spiritual director of the Durham
Meditation Center and adjunct faculty at Duke University. He can be
reached
at bodhi@... or (919)286-4754.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I want to remind all of the internet site that with a click of your mouse
will daily donate food to people in need around the world through the
United
Nations.

http://www.thehungersite.com/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks a lot for reading to the end of this email!**!

Let me leave you with a link at my website with quotes from Ram
Dass’
teacher Neem Karoli.

http://managestress.info/html/miracle-of-love.htm

Best wishes always and in all ways,      …Jon…




Jon Seskevich RN
http://ManageStress.info

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I am so saddened by all this. I feel like years of progress made by many
hard-working, pro-science nurses is being undone before my eyes. Things
looked promising, but now I don't think we'll ever be able to turn the
nursing profession back onto the path of science.

I would wish that whenever skeptics declare war on other skeptics that, at
least, a healthy competition would ensue. That would happen if the major
focus of all parties was confronting quackery.

Don't get sick.

Majorly bummed, Linda Rosa, RN" circa 1999

http://www.discord.org/~lippard/beliefs/0001.html

Good thought on the picture for emily - wouldn't want to tax her 4th
grader's reading ability...

Maybe you have offered the real explanation for why emily still doesn't "get
it" - there is no classics illustrated statistics comic book at her
intellectual level... but then, there isn't one at yours, stephen's,
larry's, or linda's either.

too bad, a good statistics comic book would probably keep brain dead
skeptics from putting their feet in their mouths... It's funny, you are the
only skeptic I can recall who has never acknowledged that the rosa's
perpetrated a fraud... Guess we all know why now...

bear

> Granted, er ... grunted ...my knowledge of self-abuse is not as extensive
as
> yours ... but please do me a favor and don't explain it in detail ... I
you
> would really get a kick out of it post a pic an I will send it to Emily.
>
>  Your scholarship, as usual, is deeply flawed.
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bear [mailto:tc_spirit@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 6:05 PM
> To: tt@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tt] john boy
>
> John Boy
>
> It is always sad to see the cumulative affects of decades of
> self-abuse.

Granted, er ... grunted ...my knowledge of self-abuse is not as extensive as
yours ... but please do me a favor and don't explain it in detail ... I you
would really get a kick out of it post a pic an I will send it to Emily.

  Your scholarship, as usual, is deeply flawed.




  A true
> scholar would have recognized the source of the quotes below as the
> pretend statistician from the Rosa group - Larry Sarner...

Oh ..you mean the guy who can add two and two ... I understand that is a
stretch for your Jungian imaginationary fairies.

>
> Perhaps if you use splints on your hands and arms you can begin to
> recoup what little intellectual skill you may have had before the
> decades of self-stimulation...


Remember ... you have promised to post a pic...



>
> Bear
>
> > Bear
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't realize you were a $cientologist. I will have to revise that
> > page
> > ..
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

John Boy

It is always sad to see the cumulative affects of decades of
self-abuse. Your scholarship, as usual, is deeply flawed. A true
scholar would have recognized the source of the quotes below as the
pretend statistician from the Rosa group - Larry Sarner...

Perhaps if you use splints on your hands and arms you can begin to
recoup what little intellectual skill you may have had before the
decades of self-stimulation...

Bear

> Bear
>
>
>
> I didn't realize you were a $cientologist. I will have to revise that
> page
> ..

How ya' doin' Tom ... still trying to entharall 14 year olds with you
philosophy on life and the univers and the meaning of it all??

See Below


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bear [mailto:tc_spirit@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:01 PM
> To: tt@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tt] working links
>
> In case folks have trouble getting to the site mentioned by Grant, I
> couldn't get to it.
>
> with a little snooping around I found some other links that probably
> have similar material on the somewhat less that ethical, intelligent,
> and objective former licensed health professional barrett and one of
> his buddies at NCAHF:
>
> http://www.homeoinfo.com/09_reference/miscellaneous/bolen_intro.php
>
> http://www.homeoinfo.com/09_reference/miscellaneous/quackbusters.php
>
> http://www.truthtrek.net/health/baratz.htm
>
> It appears that maybe these bozos have been tooting their flutes for
> so long and with so much weird stuff in them that they cannot
> distinguish truth from
> fiction and delusion from reality...
>
> Talk about frauds.......
>
> Bear


Massive Fluke Die Off Leaves Many Worried

By Claire Voyant, Health Correspondent.

C Rooters

Badbad, Last year's epidemic of foot-in-mouth disease was somehow abated,
temporarily at least. While SARS is sweeping Hong Kong, this year a new
illness has been detected in Badbad.

Health Freedom Fighters by the tens took to the streets today wearing white
armbands and bemoaning the death of the liver fluke and their loss of
leadership.. It seems a parasitic disease has swept through the fluke
population and, well, killed them all off. "Who shall we worship now?" asked
a bemused follower of the zapper cult. "Darnn" said another, I just bought a
two year supply of batteries at Radio Shack, "and I'm drowning in walnut
tincture".  " I wonder if I can get my money back, what else can yo do with
this stuff?" bemoaned another.

Most of the leadership of the Bowel Movement shrugged off the issue. They
simply moved on to create the next pseudo-epidemic, and from their caves, in
hiding, they issued a press release announcing a new scourge, parasitic
moonbeam fungi. "And we have a special new machine, the flung dung shui
detector to find them, and a second device, the Reppaz, to keep them at bay.
"It's much like a zapper but it works in reverse., they proclaimed," and "we
have a much better disguised web site to sell them with this time; the FTC
won't find us so easily." To view the site you need a mirror (since the
writing is all backwards), and some smoke to obscure any names. Get it?

The fluke die off has virtually wiped out the cross-border home of Last
Century Nutrients and Nutriceuticals, a decaying idea of a clandestine pink
house disguised as a clinic. " We're so sad, " said a clinic worker, "we
were just getting used to the regular raids by the authorities, the deaths
of our cleints, and the disclaimers by the owner that this place is really
just a house." "Even our publicist doesn't take credit for us anymore," she
said. He was too busy sorting out his lies, and chasing other clients, and
was unavailable for comment., something rare.

Recently, the publicist, Mr. Grandiose, had even less to say, as he was
deposed in a legal matter. He and his patron, Madame Indiana Nolicense
Jones, both seemed to suffer from something between Alzheimer's and amnesia
when questioned about their relationship. Word has it that there was
something between them. After all, Mrs. Grandiose, aka Mammouth, was nothing
to speak of.   Grandiose has a thing for older women, with money.  As for
Mrs. G, Dowdy and a bit demented, was one description found around the
society pages, after she reportedly was found near San Juanita on Old Ranch
Road counting saponified pseudo-stones she summarilay shed, and then trying
to say that phrase quickly.  Most think that was complementary, medicine
that is., as her activity distracted from her otherwise grim life. On the
surface she seemed to suffer from the same mental problem as the other two,
except that her email diaries are a bit too revealing. On a grander scale
she resembles her sister, Mammoth, quite a lot ;-), except they have
different hair colorings.

It seems the Madame Jones, the dowager, had paid Grandiose more than
$100,000 but couldn't quite remember what the money was for, nor could he.
"It was, well, two years ago," she said, "that is such a long time."  Are we
surprised.?

Grandiose and Jones were formerly seen together quite a bit, including, a
while back, a stint in Milan. The Italian paparazzi speculated that Jones
had a "thing" for the publicist. After all, he had a hard life, starting out
as a failed cop, and then working mostly at a nameless desk job. No wonder
he wanted to be something else. A friend suggested he puff things up a bit
and "invent" himself as the head of "millions" of something, and call
himself a "consumer advocate". After all, it had a nice ring. Who would ever
check? So he did.  Oh well, these are lien times, lying just seems to be a
part of him, even if his nose grows a bit each day.

"Grandiose is a pretty good con," said fellow fiction writer, Ima Fake, "but
much too transparent. He's also in your face too much. No subtlety. And his
lies are just so repetitious." "He just isn't as smart as he thinks he is, "
stated Ima. "He's been caught just too many times, nobody who knows him
listens to him anymore." How true.

" He claims to be leading some break-away health party group, but in
testimony and in private says he doesn't know anything about it. He's a
fraud's fraud," Peter Bee, a rodentologist, said describingly. "I guess it
takes a snake to sell snake oil," said Peter, as he took a detour to chase
more rats.

"How apt. Grandiose accuses others of soliciting business, for high fees,
while that is exactly what he does, claiming he can "make a difference".
"Now isn't that something," announced Father Paul, a member of the Order of
Muscle Stretchers, Truthsayers, and WebSite Makers.. I've got a lot up on my
site on Grandiose, said Paul. "So far the only measurable difference he
makes for his clients is thinning their wallets. Even his spam is getting
stale, not to mention the hyperbolic diatribes on his pseubo-web site. If
the truth be known he didn't even think up the idea, but took credit for it
anyway." So much for "original thinking" Word has it someone else does the
site for him too. Typical. "A fraud's fraud," said Peter Bee again.
Grandiose's only interest in the site was that it might get him advertising
dollars.  "A fraud's fraud," said Peter Bee again.

"Heck, all's fair as long as I win," Grandiose, reportedly said. "Who needs
the truth? I just pretend to be a part of any cause that pays." "Keep
telling lies and eventually some people will believe them.""Ride the wave."
"Right now that's the alternative craze." "Next week, who knows?" "A fraud's
fraud," said Peter Bee again.

From  all the spin you get  you'd think that things in Badbad were hunky
dorey. The hype-perbole seems endless, but rumor has it that things in
Badbad are not as cozy as they've been. Jones' lawyer just got his hands
slapped, big time, and there's a few more skeletons here and there.  Another
member of the gang has been charged with selling drugs and devices on the
Internet. The federales have spotted the hideout of Grandiose and word has
it he's under surveillance. Jones' other lackeys are being investigated. And
Jones....well, stay tuned.  Now that the flukes have gone there just has to
be something else.

Indeed it's spring in the Northern Hemisphere, the flukes are gone, and the
swallows are back, but right behind them are the chickens which are coming
home to roost.

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> > At 02:18 AM 01-04-03 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Well it has been five years to the day since rosa, rosa, sarner,
> > >and
> barrett
> > >perpetrated a fraud on JAMA, the health care community, and the
> > >public.
> > >
> > >That suggests that Emily should be about 16 by now - certainly old
> enough
> to
> > >pick up a statistics book and apologize for her role in the family
> fraud.
> > >
> > >How long will it take you Emily? All you really need to do is the
> obvious -
> > >admit you were clueless all along and that you were just callously
> > >used
> by
> > >people who should have been protecting you from harm.
> > >
> > >Wouldn't it feel much better to be rid of the albatross?
> > >
> > >Of course, the 'adults' involved could admit what they did, but I
> suspect
> it
> > >will be a very cold day in hell when L. Rosa, L. Sarner & S.
> > >Barrett
> fess
> > >up... ethics is the issue. plain and simple.
> > >
> > >Bear
> >
> > You might find this interesting. Bit rabid in places, but
> > interesting...
> >
> > http://www.quackpotwatch.org/default.htm
> >
> > grant
> >

In case folks have trouble getting to the site mentioned by Grant, I
couldn't get to it.

with a little snooping around I found some other links that probably have
similar material on the somewhat less that ethical, intelligent, and
objective former licensed health professional barrett and one of his buddies
at NCAHF:

http://www.homeoinfo.com/09_reference/miscellaneous/bolen_intro.php

http://www.homeoinfo.com/09_reference/miscellaneous/quackbusters.php

http://www.truthtrek.net/health/baratz.htm

It appears that maybe these bozos have been tooting their flutes for so long
and with so much weird stuff in them that they cannot distinguish truth from
fiction and delusion from reality...

Talk about frauds.......

Bear










> At 02:18 AM 01-04-03 -0500, you wrote:
> >Well it has been five years to the day since rosa, rosa, sarner, and
barrett
> >perpetrated a fraud on JAMA, the health care community, and the public.
> >
> >That suggests that Emily should be about 16 by now - certainly old enough
to
> >pick up a statistics book and apologize for her role in the family fraud.
> >
> >How long will it take you Emily? All you really need to do is the
obvious -
> >admit you were clueless all along and that you were just callously used
by
> >people who should have been protecting you from harm.
> >
> >Wouldn't it feel much better to be rid of the albatross?
> >
> >Of course, the 'adults' involved could admit what they did, but I suspect
it
> >will be a very cold day in hell when L. Rosa, L. Sarner & S. Barrett fess
> >up... ethics is the issue. plain and simple.
> >
> >Bear
>
> You might find this interesting. Bit rabid in places, but interesting...
>
> http://www.quackpotwatch.org/default.htm
>
> grant
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

At 02:18 AM 01-04-03 -0500, you wrote:
>Well it has been five years to the day since rosa, rosa, sarner, and barrett
>perpetrated a fraud on JAMA, the health care community, and the public.
>
>That suggests that Emily should be about 16 by now - certainly old enough to
>pick up a statistics book and apologize for her role in the family fraud.
>
>How long will it take you Emily? All you really need to do is the obvious -
>admit you were clueless all along and that you were just callously used by
>people who should have been protecting you from harm.
>
>Wouldn't it feel much better to be rid of the albatross?
>
>Of course, the 'adults' involved could admit what they did, but I suspect it
>will be a very cold day in hell when L. Rosa, L. Sarner & S. Barrett fess
>up... ethics is the issue. plain and simple.
>
>Bear

You might find this interesting. Bit rabid in places, but interesting...

http://www.quackpotwatch.org/default.htm

grant

Well it has been five years to the day since rosa, rosa, sarner, and barrett
perpetrated a fraud on JAMA, the health care community, and the public.

That suggests that Emily should be about 16 by now - certainly old enough to
pick up a statistics book and apologize for her role in the family fraud.

How long will it take you Emily? All you really need to do is the obvious -
admit you were clueless all along and that you were just callously used by
people who should have been protecting you from harm.

Wouldn't it feel much better to be rid of the albatross?

Of course, the 'adults' involved could admit what they did, but I suspect it
will be a very cold day in hell when L. Rosa, L. Sarner & S. Barrett fess
up... ethics is the issue. plain and simple.

Bear

I'm writing from the Florida Health Freedom Action about HB 1301, the
Florida Consumer Health Freedom Act.

The Florida Health Freedom Action is a  non-profit social change and
lobbying organization, working to change Florida laws to provide
better health care access and practitioner protection.

The The Consumer Health Freedom Act would: Remove blocks to
consumers' right to choose complementary and alternative
therapies (CATH) practitioners whose modalities and practices do not
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Protect CATH consumers by setting practice boundaries for CATH
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Enhance consumer choices by requiring CATH practitioners to provide
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Facilitate communication between practitioners of CATH and licensed
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More information can be found at  www.FloridaHealthFreedom.org

Our lobbyist and attorneys will meet with members of the House of
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It is critical that these legislators know that this bill is
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Strong and well funded opposition to our bill is being led by the
"Naturopathic Physicians" (NPs). The NPs are seeking to create a
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practice of naturopathy for decades (natural healing methods
involving
plants)-- adding prescription drugs, insisting that they are still
practicing naturopathy, and declaring that no other practitioner may
use that term to describe natural healing methods.

Under their bill, HB 1615, NPs would have the exclusive right to use
natural health care remedies, such as herbs and homeopathic remedies.
The NPs want to keep unlicensed CATH practitioners off of "their
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monopoly on natural healing methods will put natural healing
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Your message will be most effective if it is received on Monday or
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It is essential that members of the House Health Care Committee hear
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a Representative does not receive a sufficient number of contacts
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It is equally
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the Naturopathic Physicians' bill, because of their effort to claim a
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on natural healing methods and the overlap their bill creates between
natural healing methods (naturopathy) and conventional medical care
which involves drugs and surgery.

Rich Haslam