Hello again, hope everyone is having a safe and fun holiday.

Here is another in the continuing series, "How Does Something Come
From Nothing?"

http://time-travelers.org/Review/hickey.html

Please give me some feed back when you can!

Thanks,

Curtis

A continuation of the review.

http://time-travelers.org/Review/quiz1.html

Thank you,

Curtis

Hi everyone!

Here is a rewrite and enhancement of the review of Vol.1 in html.
To see it, go to  Http://time-travelers.org/Review/review.html

Thanks,

Curtis

----- Original Message -----

From: Timeguy

To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:37 PM

Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Review of Vol. 1 - (continued) #2 Something from nothing

Thanks!  I can always use encouragement ;-)

Curtis


Lucid wrote:

This is perfect, Curtis!

 

Very good writing style :)  keeps one's attention!

 

Lucid~~*

----- Original Message -----

From: Timeguy

To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:53 AM

Subject: [Time-Travelers] Review of Vol. 1 - (continued) #2 Something from nothing

Something from nothing

"Beautiful isn't it?", Kronos said, referring to the absolutely empty blackness all around us, "This is the place that most three dimensional beings dread more than any other place.  It is call the "waveless state" by the Tibetans.  One can learn much from this place."  "I see." was all I could muster.  "Well, I am sure that you don't see, and to prove my point," Kronos replied with his all knowing twinkle.  "I will ask you a couple of simple questions."  I wasn't prepared for a quiz, but it never occurred to me to complain.

"What is the first thing you notice about this place?"  "It is quite dark?"  I asked feebly.  "Yes, dark, and what else?"  "There seems to be nothing here."  "Aha!  And there's the rub!"  Kronos could get quit excited about nothing, no pun intended.  He was childlike in this way.  "What you perceive as nothing is actually more of a something than you normally consider as something.  Here we have a universe at the very beginning of its' cycle.  It is space that contains pure energy.   Space and energy go together, one cannot exist without the other.  We can also deduce, from our experience, that it is graced with the ability to be conscious."

"Hmmmm."  I said, trying to be as inscrutable as possible.  Kronos continued.  "As you begin to study this place, you will eventually unravel most of the secrets of the universe.  Let us imagine, for a moment, a ball of clear jelly suspended in space. There is space there because the jelly circumvents the most scary reality of all, that of there being no reality at all, not even space, or what I call "absolute void".
 "Yikes!"  I ejaculated, not to be outdone.  "What is the jelly made out of?"  I asked.  "It is made of pure energy!  There is no sub-atomic, atomic or molecular structure.  Although it co-exists in space, there is no mixing of energy and space as is so prevalent in the three dimensional universe."   He continued, "Now, it is absolutely important, as we go along, that you fully understand these concepts as I enumerate them, because without this understanding, we cannot progress on to more interesting things."

Kronos paused as he gathered his thoughts.

To be continued

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                  Something from nothing (continued) #3


	 Nothing prepared me for what I next saw!  We were suddenly thrust
into blinding white light that seemed to come from everywhere.  It was
clearly brighter than the sun, but, strangely, didn't hurt my eyes.
Although I could no longer see Kronos, I sensed he was next to me.
"Let's shed some light on the subject".  Kronos, at times, had a sort
of James Bond sense of humor.  (However, I would have said, "Let there
be light!)"  "Let me explain",He said.  "Although it may seem that we
have moved to an entirely different space, we are actually still in
exactly the same spot.  The only difference is one of time."

	 I was hoping his explanation would be a short one because I was
having a hard time adjusting to so much white light.  Kronos
continued, "By that I mean we have moved forward in time to look at a
different part of the cycle.  Now....(When ever he started a sentence
with now, I knew I was about to be asked a difficult question)....what
do you make of this?  I mean, what do you think has happened?  My
silence was deafening.  I finally spoke.  "Well, it was dark, and now
it is light."  I said, as intelligently as I could.  "Yes, of course,
but what do you think happened to make such a marked transition?"
         "Because of the cycle?"  I ventured, glad I had paid
attention.  "Aha!   That is it!  The cycle.  This cycle has only two
components, black and white.  When we were looking at the 1st
dimension, we saw a
dimension devoid of everything except space, primordial energy and
potential.  Looking at this, the 2nd dimension we see the same space
filled with light, however, this is also only a one dimensional place!
  By this I mean, although it is part of the cycle, it is static and
without motion, just as the void was static.

	 Think of it this way, if you were to juggle two tennis balls, one
black and the other white, before you started to juggle, you would
only have the raw components necessary for you to juggle.  Once you
started juggling, the tennis balls would now have motion, and they
would intermingle to form something greater than just the two parts in
their static states.  And so, the void, (black tennis ball) is one of
the two raw components, and the void filled with light, (white tennis
ball), is the other.  They are each static because it is as though we
have freeze framed each at their most pure place in the cycle."
(perigee and apogee).

         The best way for you to understand this is for us to move to
the dynamic combination of the two. We now have moved out of two
dimensional time into three dimensional time.  Do you notice the
difference?"  "Yes", I said excitedly, "It looks almost exactly the
same, but there is a definite difference.  This one seems vibrant and
almost alive and the light has a sort of dazzling depth to is, whereas
the other white-light place seemed flat and lifeless by comparison."

         "Wonderful isn't it?  We are seeing the difference between the
2nd dimension, "static/passive", and the 3rd dimension,
(dynamic/active").  Here we are looking at a rapid cycle of "on and
off".  This is the key to "universal truth".  A "philosophers' stone",
if you will."
         He paused looking for exactly the right words that would ring
the bell for me.  "In the 1st and 2nd dimensions, we see the basis for
evil, (black), and good, (white). These are diametrically opposed
"half truths", and are simply the two halves of the 3rd dimension,
which is complete, and has no opposite.  (Pure truth, without the
concept of evil, because good and evil have been perfectly blended to
form universal Good.)
         Memorize this principle, because we will be encountering many
aspects of it as we progress in our studies.  In your teachings, you
will find that this is probably the single most difficult principle to
explain and practice!

	 The next thing I knew, I was back in my bed.  Kronos was not big on
long goodbyes.


                           continued

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Something from nothing (continued) #5


      A fellow meta-physician once told me that, "If you continue to
pursue the unknown in the fervent way you are now pursuing it, you
may, one day, find yourself like a fish out of water!"  How true this
turned out to be, although I felt more like a puppy on the fast lane
of the freeway.
      I found that I was loath to talk about Kronos, and any of what I
was learning, to anyone, not even my fellow meta-physicians, for fear
of being put away, or worse, of being ignored!  I was far too old to
have a "special friend" from another planet showing me around the
universe.
      I had seen "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest", I didn't want to be
involuntarily introduced to my own version of "nurse Cratchet."  So,
you can imagine my reaction when Kronos asked me to publish what I was
learning from him.

      My everyday 3d world kept me busy.  I thought about the "problem"
of the "void" verses the "void with light", only occasionally, for
about a week.  I hadn't gotten very far with it, I mean, what was
there to understand?  I decided to wait for Kronos to explain it to
me.  I never knew when Kronos was going to take me on for a trip, but
as it turned out, I didn't have long to wait.
      One minute I was staring half asleep at my computer screen.  The
next minute I was with Kronos.  We often times met in a sort of
twilight place.  I could sense that I was still in my physical body,
but at the same time, sort of floating half in and half out of it.  In
this kind of session, Kronos would seem as though he was inside of my
mind. Other times, I could actually see a facsimile of him outside of
myself.
      I heard him ask, "Have you thought about what we were looking
at?"  I said that I had, but felt I had made little progress.  "I am
going to approach the answer from a little different direction."  He
said in his usual good natured manner.

      I suddenly found myself propelled back into the void.  Kronos
appeared next to me as a brilliant golden silhouette.  He was
strikingly handsome and although he was thousands of years old,
appeared to be no more than 35.  Power radiated from him in waves.  He
was so astounding looking that I had to choke back tears that
overwhelmed me with his sudden appearance.
      Although I had gazed upon him many times, I was always stunned
when I saw him again.  It seemed impossible to remember just how
wonderful the experience was.  He claims to be androgynous and lumpy
looking, and that what I saw was a projection of how I thought he
should look.  But it is difficult for me to believe that I could
imagine anyone so beautiful!

      He has a child like quality that shines out when he is happy,
which is most of the time.  "Where did we leave off?" He asked matter
of factly.   Oh yes, we were discussing the first and second
dimensions.  Here in the void, we see a single dimension, which we
will call the "1st. dimension".  Although the "white light" universe
is also a single dimension, it is called the 2nd  dimension.  This is
because at the beginning of the cycle, we experience the void first,
and the white light second."

      "Another reason we call the white light experience the 2nd
dimension is because it gives us the impression of there being two
completely separate universes."  He studied me to see if I was
comprehending any of what he was saying.
      "If you are not understanding all of this, it is all right.
We're in no hurry.  We will be going over it until you do.  I want you
to notice how the illusion of separateness is created.  Remember we
are seeing the very beginning of illusion and how it comes into being
out of nothing.

      I was excited to be with Kronos, I couldn't imagine any place I
would rather be. I am not sure why I was singled out, but it was hard
for me to realize that I was, perhaps, the first human to be shown the
actual most inner workings of creation!


                                  continued

Something from nothing (continued) #4


      Nothing prepared me for what I saw next!  We were suddenly thrust
into blinding white light that seemed to come from everywhere.  It was
clearly brighter than the sun, but, strangely, didn't hurt my eyes.
Although I could no longer see Kronos, I sensed he was next to me.
      "Let's shed some light on the subject".  Kronos, at times, had a
sort of James Bond sense of humor.  (However, I would have said, "Let
there be light!)"  "Let me explain".  He said.  "Although it may seem
that we have moved to an entirely different space, we are actually
still in exactly the same spot.  The only difference is one of time."

      I was hoping his explanation would be a short one because I was
having a hard time adjusting to so much white light.  Kronos
continued, "By that I mean we have moved forward in time to a
different part of the cycle.  Now....."  Whenever he started a
sentence with now, I knew he was about to ask me a difficult question.
  "....what do you make of this?  I mean, what do you think happened to
cause this phenomenon?
      My silence was deafening.  I finally spoke.  "Well, it was dark,
and now it is light."  I stated knowingly.  "Yes, of course, but what
do you think happened to make such a marked transition?"  "Because of
the cycle?"  I ventured, glad I had paid attention.  "Aha!  That is
it!  The cycle."

      I was hoping he would continue on with his tutoring and let me
out of the frying pan for a while.  "Now.....tell me why it went from
black to white?"  "I haven't a clue Kronos."  I said demurely.  He
sometimes let me slide with an honest answer.  "I don't mean to be
overly simplistic Curtis, but it is important for you to understand
this.  And, by the way, I appreciate your honesty."  He was silent for
a moment.  "Can you think of any thing in your everyday world that
would be analogous to this?"  The only thing I could think of was a
light switch.  "A light switch?"  "Very good!"  He said.  In spite of
his obvious Pavlovian approach to teaching, I felt a small sense of
pride whenever he complemented me.
      I could feel Kronos beaming with childlike enthusiasm.  "Yes, and
also day and night.  Now, explain to me exactly what happens when you
are in the dark and you flip on the light switch?"  I knew he expected
at least a spark of mental acuity.  "So, I thought for a long
time.....Hmmm."  I said slowly.  "You are in a dark room, and when you
turn on the light, it becomes illuminated."  "Very good."  He said.
"Now, What would happen if you were to turn the light on and off very
rapidly?"  "Well, I suppose the room would seem to stay lighted."
Yes! Yes! yes! This is exactly what is happening in this dimension!"
"Well shit the bed!" I blurted excitedly, I had finally gotten
something right.

      The next thing I knew, I was back in my apartment.  Kronos was
not big on long goodbyes.


                               Continued

----- Original Message -----

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To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Review of Vol. 1 - (continued) #3 Something from nothing

Something from nothing (continued) #3

    As Kronos and I floated there in the emptiness, I couldn't possibly imagine how one could learn anything from staring at nothing!  But, I had been with Kronos long enough to know that he didn't waste time speculating on unproved theories.  I knew that he spoke with authority and a kind of special knowledge so far beyond my planets present evolution, that  I literally had nothing to compare it with.  So I listened as he talked, praying that he would ask me no further questions.

    "What else can you deduce from observing nothingness?   Kronos, in his kindly and playful way, pinned me as a butterfly to a board.  "Well now, lets see......hmmmmm.......that's a tough one.......aha!"   I cried, trying to wiggle off of the hook.  "That's exactly right!"  Kronos boomed, showing great pride in his protégé.  "I think we will make a time traveler out of you yet!"  I smiled weakly.

    Kronos began one of his finely tuned dissertations.  I knew I would have to concentrate on what he was saying, and do the best I could to understand the underlying principles, because I knew there would be questions afterwards.  "Yes!" seeming to agree with my phantom deductions.  "If this is the very beginning, then where did all the things, people and places, that we are so familiar with come from?  Where did we come from?  How did something come from nothing?"  I sensed this was a hypothetical question, and that he didn't expect a response.  "This is a mystery that has plagued consciousness in every form from all over the universe.  It was not possible to understand the intricacies of creation at this level with only the intellect to command.  It wasn't until the advent of time travel and time travelers that this kind of understanding became possible.  This is not because time travelers are so intelligent, it is because we were able to go anywhere or place in time, and observe for ourselves what the actual reality was.

    "I hesitate sharing such a difficult concept, but it will help you understand everything else we study.  This is, as it were, the foundation that needs to be well constructed.  I will keep it as simple as possible, while still retaining the working fundamentals."
He thought for a moment, "Let's return to our ball of jelly analogy, which we will call the "Primordial Void".  Now imagine that a continuous something happens to this void in the nature of a cycle, where the beginning and the end of the cycle touch as just another part of the cycle, passing on from one to the other with out hesitation.  Each part of the cycle is uniform in duration, and each part is just as important as any other part."

    He checked to see if he had lost me or not, and sensing that he hadn't, continued.  "When we observe the void, we are looking at a single part of the whole cycle.  I will take you through the entire cycle, one part at a time, so you can see its' nature for yourself.  When we are through, you will know exactly how something comes from nothing......."

(To be continued)

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Curtis, this is indeed a great review... familiar, yet different and
very interesting.

FYI, a friend has sent me this, if anyone is interested:

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astrologer.  Please join in a global thought power experiment, by
organizing an
event or a  small
dinner party and meditating, visualizing, or praying that all people
who have cancers or AIDS will be given the information they need to
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The best time to do this is August 25,26 or 27th. See

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for more information. Please Pass This On To Your Friends!

Thankyou
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--- In time-travelers@yahoogroups.com, Timeguy <timeguy4@n...> wrote:
> Something from nothing (continued) #3
>
>
>     As Kronos and I floated there in the emptiness, I couldn't
possibly
> imagine how one could learn anything from staring at nothing!  But,
I
> had been with Kronos long enough to know that he didn't waste time
> speculating on unproved theories.  I knew that he spoke with
authority
> and a kind of special knowledge so far beyond my planets present
> evolution, that  I literally had nothing to compare it with.  So I
> listened as he talked, praying that he would ask me no further
questions.
>
>     "What else can you deduce from observing nothingness?   Kronos,
in
> his kindly and playful way, pinned me as a butterfly to a
board.  "Well
> now, lets see......hmmmmm.......that's a tough one.......aha!"   I
> cried, trying to wiggle off of the hook.  "That's exactly right!"
>  Kronos boomed, showing great pride in his protégé.  "I think we
will
> make a time traveler out of you yet!"  I smiled weakly.
>
>     Kronos began one of his finely tuned dissertations.  I knew I
would
> have to concentrate on what he was saying, and do the best I could
to
> understand the underlying principles, because I knew there would be
> questions afterwards.  "Yes!" seeming to agree with my phantom
> deductions.  "If this is the very beginning, then where did all the
> things, people and places, that we are so familiar with come from?
>  Where did we come from?  How did something come from nothing?"  I
> sensed this was a hypothetical question, and that he didn't expect
a
> response.  "This is a mystery that has plagued consciousness in
every
> form from all over the universe.  It was not possible to understand
the
> intricacies of creation at this level with only the intellect to
> command.  It wasn't until the advent of time travel and time
travelers
> that this kind of understanding became possible.  This is not
because
> time travelers are so intelligent, it is because we were able to go
> anywhere or place in time, and observe for ourselves what the
actual
> reality was.
>
>     "I hesitate sharing such a difficult concept, but it will help
you
> understand everything else we study.  This is, as it were, the
> foundation that needs to be well constructed.  I will keep it as
simple
> as possible, while still retaining the working fundamentals."
> He thought for a moment, "Let's return to our ball of jelly
analogy,
> which we will call the "Primordial Void".  Now imagine that a
continuous
> something happens to this void in the nature of a cycle, where the
> beginning and the end of the cycle touch as just another part of
the
> cycle, passing on from one to the other with out hesitation.  Each
part
> of the cycle is uniform in duration, and each part is just as
important
> as any other part."
>
>     He checked to see if he had lost me or not, and sensing that he
> hadn't, continued.  "When we observe the void, we are looking at a
> single part of the whole cycle.  I will take you through the entire
> cycle, one part at a time, so you can see its' nature for yourself.
>  When we are through, you will know exactly how something comes
from
> nothing......."
>
>
> (To be continued)

YES

beautiful indeed!

hopefully the next bit would get into the relationship between energy
and space!!

:-)

--- In time-travelers@yahoogroups.com, Timeguy <timeguy4@n...> wrote:
> Something from nothing
>
>
> "Beautiful isn't it?", Kronos said, referring to the absolutely
empty
> blackness all around us, "This is the place that most three
dimensional
> beings dread more than any other place.  It is call the "waveless
state"
> by the Tibetans.  One can learn much from this place."  "I see."
was all
> I could muster.  "Well, I am sure that you don't see, and to prove
my
> point," Kronos replied with his all knowing twinkle.  "I will ask
you a
> couple of simple questions."  I wasn't prepared for a quiz, but it
never
> occurred to me to complain.
>
> "What is the first thing you notice about this place?"  "It is
quite
> dark?"  I asked feebly.  "Yes, dark, and what else?"  "There seems
to be
> nothing here."  "Aha!  And there's the rub!"  Kronos could get quit
> excited about nothing, no pun intended.  He was childlike in this
way.
>  "What you perceive as nothing is actually more of a something than
you
> normally consider as something.  Here we have a universe at the
very
> beginning of its' cycle.  It is space that contains pure energy.  
Space
> and energy go together, one cannot exist without the other.  We can
also
> deduce, from our experience, that it is graced with the ability to
be
> conscious."
>
> "Hmmmm."  I said, trying to be as inscrutable as possible.  Kronos
> continued.  "As you begin to study this place, you will eventually
> unravel most of the secrets of the universe.  Let us imagine, for a
> moment, a ball of clear jelly suspended in space. There is space
there
> because the jelly circumvents the most scary reality of all, that
of
> there being no reality at all, not even space, or what I
call "absolute
> void".
>  "Yikes!"  I ejaculated, not to be outdone.  "What is the jelly
made out
> of?"  I asked.  "It is made of pure energy!  There is no sub-
atomic,
> atomic or molecular structure.  Although it co-exists in space,
there is
> no mixing of energy and space as is so prevalent in the three
> dimensional universe."   He continued, "Now, it is absolutely
important,
> as we go along, that you fully understand these concepts as I
enumerate
> them, because without this understanding, we cannot progress on to
more
> interesting things."
>
> Kronos paused as he gathered his thoughts.
>
> To be continued



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This is perfect, Curtis!

 

Very good writing style :)  keeps one's attention!

 

Lucid~~*

----- Original Message -----

From: Timeguy

To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:53 AM

Subject: [Time-Travelers] Review of Vol. 1 - (continued) #2 Something from nothing

Something from nothing

"Beautiful isn't it?", Kronos said, referring to the absolutely empty blackness all around us, "This is the place that most three dimensional beings dread more than any other place.  It is call the "waveless state" by the Tibetans.  One can learn much from this place."  "I see." was all I could muster.  "Well, I am sure that you don't see, and to prove my point," Kronos replied with his all knowing twinkle.  "I will ask you a couple of simple questions."  I wasn't prepared for a quiz, but it never occurred to me to complain.

"What is the first thing you notice about this place?"  "It is quite dark?"  I asked feebly.  "Yes, dark, and what else?"  "There seems to be nothing here."  "Aha!  And there's the rub!"  Kronos could get quit excited about nothing, no pun intended.  He was childlike in this way.  "What you perceive as nothing is actually more of a something than you normally consider as something.  Here we have a universe at the very beginning of its' cycle.  It is space that contains pure energy.   Space and energy go together, one cannot exist without the other.  We can also deduce, from our experience, that it is graced with the ability to be conscious."

"Hmmmm."  I said, trying to be as inscrutable as possible.  Kronos continued.  "As you begin to study this place, you will eventually unravel most of the secrets of the universe.  Let us imagine, for a moment, a ball of clear jelly suspended in space. There is space there because the jelly circumvents the most scary reality of all, that of there being no reality at all, not even space, or what I call "absolute void".
 "Yikes!"  I ejaculated, not to be outdone.  "What is the jelly made out of?"  I asked.  "It is made of pure energy!  There is no sub-atomic, atomic or molecular structure.  Although it co-exists in space, there is no mixing of energy and space as is so prevalent in the three dimensional universe."   He continued, "Now, it is absolutely important, as we go along, that you fully understand these concepts as I enumerate them, because without this understanding, we cannot progress on to more interesting things."

Kronos paused as he gathered his thoughts.

To be continued

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----- Original Message -----

From: Timeguy

To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:53 AM

Subject: [Time-Travelers] Review of Vol. 1 - (continued) #2 Something from nothing

Something from nothing

"Beautiful isn't it?", Kronos said, referring to the absolutely empty blackness all around us, "This is the place that most three dimensional beings dread more than any other place.  It is call the "waveless state" by the Tibetans.  One can learn much from this place."  "I see." was all I could muster.  "Well, I am sure that you don't see, and to prove my point," Kronos replied with his all knowing twinkle.  "I will ask you a couple of simple questions."  I wasn't prepared for a quiz, but it never occurred to me to complain.

"What is the first thing you notice about this place?"  "It is quite dark?"  I asked feebly.  "Yes, dark, and what else?"  "There seems to be nothing here."  "Aha!  And there's the rub!"  Kronos could get quit excited about nothing, no pun intended.  He was childlike in this way.  "What you perceive as nothing is actually more of a something than you normally consider as something.  Here we have a universe at the very beginning of its' cycle.  It is space that contains pure energy.   Space and energy go together, one cannot exist without the other.  We can also deduce, from our experience, that it is graced with the ability to be conscious."

"Hmmmm."  I said, trying to be as inscrutable as possible.  Kronos continued.  "As you begin to study this place, you will eventually unravel most of the secrets of the universe.  Let us imagine, for a moment, a ball of clear jelly suspended in space. There is space there because the jelly circumvents the most scary reality of all, that of there being no reality at all, not even space, or what I call "absolute void".
 "Yikes!"  I ejaculated, not to be outdone.  "What is the jelly made out of?"  I asked.  "It is made of pure energy!  There is no sub-atomic, atomic or molecular structure.  Although it co-exists in space, there is no mixing of energy and space as is so prevalent in the three dimensional universe."   He continued, "Now, it is absolutely important, as we go along, that you fully understand these concepts as I enumerate them, because without this understanding, we cannot progress on to more interesting things."

Kronos paused as he gathered his thoughts.

To be continued

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YES

beautiful indeed!

hopefully the next bit would get into the relationship between energy
and space!!

:-)

--- In time-travelers@yahoogroups.com, Timeguy <timeguy4@n...> wrote:
> Something from nothing
>
>
> "Beautiful isn't it?", Kronos said, referring to the absolutely
empty
> blackness all around us, "This is the place that most three
dimensional
> beings dread more than any other place.  It is call the "waveless
state"
> by the Tibetans.  One can learn much from this place."  "I see."
was all
> I could muster.  "Well, I am sure that you don't see, and to prove
my
> point," Kronos replied with his all knowing twinkle.  "I will ask
you a
> couple of simple questions."  I wasn't prepared for a quiz, but it
never
> occurred to me to complain.
>
> "What is the first thing you notice about this place?"  "It is
quite
> dark?"  I asked feebly.  "Yes, dark, and what else?"  "There seems
to be
> nothing here."  "Aha!  And there's the rub!"  Kronos could get quit
> excited about nothing, no pun intended.  He was childlike in this
way.
>  "What you perceive as nothing is actually more of a something than
you
> normally consider as something.  Here we have a universe at the
very
> beginning of its' cycle.  It is space that contains pure energy.
Space
> and energy go together, one cannot exist without the other.  We can
also
> deduce, from our experience, that it is graced with the ability to
be
> conscious."
>
> "Hmmmm."  I said, trying to be as inscrutable as possible.  Kronos
> continued.  "As you begin to study this place, you will eventually
> unravel most of the secrets of the universe.  Let us imagine, for a
> moment, a ball of clear jelly suspended in space. There is space
there
> because the jelly circumvents the most scary reality of all, that
of
> there being no reality at all, not even space, or what I
call "absolute
> void".
>  "Yikes!"  I ejaculated, not to be outdone.  "What is the jelly
made out
> of?"  I asked.  "It is made of pure energy!  There is no sub-
atomic,
> atomic or molecular structure.  Although it co-exists in space,
there is
> no mixing of energy and space as is so prevalent in the three
> dimensional universe."   He continued, "Now, it is absolutely
important,
> as we go along, that you fully understand these concepts as I
enumerate
> them, because without this understanding, we cannot progress on to
more
> interesting things."
>
> Kronos paused as he gathered his thoughts.
>
> To be continued

----- Original Message -----

From: kim schwartz

To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 4:01 PM

Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] What direction would you like to go???

thanks timeguy,

 

i really want to get into this.

 

kim

Timeguy <timeguy4@...> wrote:

Kim,

I will reconstruct the steps I took, with, perhaps, some useful
exercises. This, at least, can get you started right away. It will
take time to get all of these projects going, so be patient. ;-)

Curtis


kimmathis132000@... wrote:

> hello,
>
> i would like to learn how to travel to the past.
>
> kim
>
>
> Timeguy wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, and welcome to those of you who are new.
>
> With Kronos leaving me in the lurch, so to speak, (not his fault,
> he was
> asked to not interfere with this time warp, for very definite
> reasons.
> As I understand it, this was not a threat, but a request. There are
> evidently a few rules even for "Time Lords", although they are
> "rules of
> etiquette rather than laws". Kronos was evidently getting too
> close to
> the solution. The solution has to be made by those who are
> embroiled in
> the problem. :-( The main thought I perceived was "quarantined".
> Beyond this, your guess is as good as mine. Kronos will still work
> with me, but instead of manifesting directly through my body,
> which we
> had practicing for quite a while, he will work through my "remnant
> soul"
> as a temporary "Over-Soul"). I am at a loss for a place to begin.
> (He
> was going to review Vol. I. perhaps I could put something together
> along that line). I have personally been studying the connection
> between the astrological tie in of the "signs of the zodiac" as
> published in the original Time Travelers material, and "modern"
> astrology. I have made the connection and the results have been very
> rewarding. The problem is I don't know if you would be interested in
> such an esoteric exploration? :-\
>
> I would like to hear from all of you who would like to see some new
> information presented here, and tell me what in particular you
> would be
> interested in pursuing. The problem being that there is so much new
> information that I wouldn't know where to begin. :-[
> Looking forward to your responses. (I will consider all requests,
> however, they have to be within my field of expertise.)
> (To say that I am bummed by the turn of events would be an
> understatement!) :-(
>
> Curtis
>
>
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Beautifully written.

I like this new style.

:-)


--- In time-travelers@yahoogroups.com, Timeguy <timeguy4@n...> wrote:
>
>
> >                                        LIST OF TOPICS COVERED IN
THE
> > EARLY EXCERPTS
> >
> > 1. The Illusion of time.
> > 2. Automatic self maintenance of the past. How illusion of time
is
> > created by the Soul.
> > 3. What are some of the problems for the Oversoul trying to
> > communicate with the residual consciousness
> >      residing in the remote past.
> > 4. Time loop a trap from which there is no natural escape.
> > 5. What we can do to break free from the illusion of time.
> > 6. The Souls revelation in the remote future concerning time and
its
> > remanifestation into the past.
> > 7. Why our techniques for manifesting multi-dimensional
consciousness
> > here in the third dimension work, and
> >     why all other systems contained in this time period do not.
> > 8. Why we could never have found the necessary tools for
manifestation
> > in our present time frame without help
> >      from our "Future Self".
> > 9. How to avoid all the multi-dimensional traps.
>
>
>
>           Here are the topics covered in the early excerpts of  "A
> Course in Time Travel".
>           I will review them one at a time, starting  with - 1.
Illusion
> of Time.
>
>
>
> Illusion of Time
>
>      "If time is actually an illusion,  then why does it seem so
real?"
>  Was one of the first questions I posed to "Kronos".  (Kronos is a
> highly advanced time traveler "Not from here."  He has been my
guide for
> many years.)
>     Kronos explained that there are more than several kinds of
time.
>  "Each kind is relatively different.  Stated simply, time depends
upon
> your view point.  Each view point is attuned with a kind of time.
Three
> dimensional entities observe and experience time as an ever forward
> series of events.  Much like frames on a roll of film containing a
> movie.  You, as an observer, see and experience each series of
frames as
> differing experiences and changing scenes.  Even though you see
only one
> frame at a time, it all moves fast enough to give the illusion of
> continuous motion.  It seems as though you were moving along in
present
> time as each frame flits by.  Once a frame has passed, it is gone.
But
> is it actually gone?  Or is it stored upon the film to be seen
another day."
>
>     AS Kronos talked, I felt he was getting ready to take me on
a "trip"
> to emphasize his point.  He continued, "As we live each day, we
seem to
> stay in a kind of present time, while events and scenes move passed
us.
>  We will call this kind of time "linear time".  From a three
dimensional
> viewpoint, once a particular day or week or lifetime has passed, it
is
> gone.  But is it actually gone?  Or is it stored upon the film of
> consciousness capable of being re-experienced another day?  I
nodded
> mentally, not fully understanding the impact of what he was saying.
>     As I suspected, Kronos began to gently raised my vibrations
until I
> was no longer in my physical body. "Probably the best way to begin
to
> understand "illusionary time" is to examine "non-illusionary time",
> which we will call "non-linear time".  Non-linear time is not
viewed one
> frame at a time.  It is viewed as a concurrent happening, where all
> events occur at the same time!  This may sound horribly confusing,
but
> it becomes fascinating once you become accustom to it.  Then,
linear
> time seems confusing by comparison."
>
>     The first time Kronos showed me non-linear time, I was rather
> embarrassed to find that every single thing I had ever done, was
still
> happening.  It seems that nothing is lost or even distorted, and it
can
> last forever.  Kronos explained to me that, ".....non-linear time
was
> necessary in order to have linear time.  3d illusion is a necessary
> platform, upon which developing souls can safely evolve.  Remember
that
> everything is illusion including, you and me".  He then took me to
a
> place of utter darkness.  "This is the "beginning of time", which
is but
> a point on a never ending loop of events contained in this time-
line."
> Traveling with Kronos was exciting, to say the very least. He was
expert
> at traveling this way, and made it all seem so easy.  He has a way
of
> overlaying his continuously blissful emotions upon mine, otherwise
I
> would have been a basket case, and too scared to learn anything.
There
> never seemed to be any delay, travel with Kronos was always
> instantaneous.  "Blink", we would be in one place or time, and then
> "blink", and we would be somewhere (or sometime) else.
>
>     Once I became accustom to the "void", Kronos continued his
explanation.
>
>
> To be continued

Curtis wrote:

> Hi everyone, (The first time I posted this it didn't seem to take?)
>
> As regards Kronos, it seems a better integration between us will work
> and at the same time not violate time travel etiquette. This sounds
> good to me, (a new and improved Curtis-hahahaha. I will feel a whole
> lot less schizophrenic. :-) ) Although Kronos, (my name for "it"), has
> been my guide since I was about 22, (I am now 66), he always stayed in
> the shadows, keeping my focus on the work, and not on him. With my
> Oversouls permission, he became my temporary Oversoul, while working
> through my remnant Soul. (The remnant Soul is that part of the Soul
> that is bound in the past as a natural part of the past, although, the
> actual Soul had continued its journey on to the next lifetime). I will
> integrate him in my current writings, in a way that I felt was not
> timely before.
>
> Much of the current work is about working with ones Oversoul via the
> remnant Soul, so any light I can shed upon this little known process,
> will help you immensely in your journey.
>
> Kronos groomed me as a teacher, and as such, I had to learn much more
> than you are required to learn. However, you are not limited to
> learning just the minimal amount of knowledge necessary to assure a
> proper integration with your Soul and Oversoul..
>
> REVIEW OF VOL. 1
>
> It seems that a review of Vol. 1 is in order because it has been a
> while since some of you have studied it. Others, new to Time
> Travelers, entered here via Yahoo's free membership, and probably do
> not have access to the 52 excerpts contained in the first volume. I
> will try to keep this review as minumalistic and suscinct as possible,
> while, at the same time, revealing the most important principles in a
> way that can be understood by the average person.
>
> LIST OF TOPICS COVERED IN THE EARLY EXCERPTS
>
> 1. The Illusion of time.
> 2. Automatic self maintenance of the past. How illusion of time is
> created by the Soul.
> 3. What are some of the problems for the Oversoul trying to
> communicate with the residual consciousness
>      residing in the remote past.
> 4. Time loop a trap from which there is no natural escape.
> 5. What we can do to break free from the illusion of time.
> 6. The Souls revelation in the remote future concerning time and its
> remanifestation into the past.
> 7. Why our techniques for manifesting multi-dimensional consciousness
> here in the third dimension work, and
>     why all other systems contained in this time period do not.
> 8. Why we could never have found the necessary tools for manifestation
> in our present time frame without help
>      from our "Future Self".
> 9. How to avoid all the multi-dimensional traps.
>
> We will be going over these, one at a time, starting with my next post.
>
> Thanks for your patience :-)
>
> Curtis
>
>
>
>
>
>

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hello,

 

i would like to learn how to travel to the past.

 

kim

Timeguy <timeguy4@...> wrote:

Hello everyone, and welcome to those of you who are new.

With Kronos leaving me in the lurch, so to speak, (not his fault, he was
asked to not interfere with this time warp, for very definite reasons.
As I understand it, this was not a threat, but a request.  There are
evidently a few rules even for "Time Lords", although they are "rules of
etiquette rather than laws".   Kronos was evidently getting too close to
the solution.  The solution has to be made by those who are embroiled in
the problem. :-(   The main thought I perceived was "quarantined".
Beyond this, your guess is as good as mine.  Kronos will still work
with me, but instead of manifesting directly through my body, which we
had practicing for quite a while, he will work through my "remnant soul"
as a temporary "Over-Soul").  I am at a loss for a place to begin. (He
was going to review Vol. I.  perhaps I could put something together
along that line).   I have personally been studying the connection
between the astrological tie in of the "signs of the zodiac" as
published in the original Time Travelers material, and "modern"
astrology.  I have made the connection and the results have been very
rewarding.  The problem is I don't know if you would be interested in
such an esoteric exploration? :-\

I would like to hear from all of you who would like to see some new
information presented here, and tell me what in particular you would be
interested in pursuing.  The problem being that there is so much new
information that I wouldn't know where to begin. :-[
Looking forward to your responses.  (I will consider all requests,
however, they have to be within my field of expertise.)
(To say that I am bummed by the turn of events would be an
understatement!) :-(

Curtis



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Hello   Curtis        Count me   in      on    the astrology   factor.  Also   when  will chapter two come out?   Another good    research project.    SOUND??????     kALA                 getahand@...
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Since the universe works with us through our minds, perhaps we ought
to study the Dimension of mind, how it works, where it goes..  Or, we
might focus on the totality of knowledge, and draw our own personal
conclusions.  I'll bet you know a lot about stuff, Curtis.

Matt
--- In time-travelers@yahoogroups.com, Timeguy <timeguy4@n...> wrote:
> Hello everyone, and welcome to those of you who are new.
>
> With Kronos leaving me in the lurch, so to speak, (not his fault,
he was
> asked to not interfere with this time warp, for very definite
reasons.
>  As I understand it, this was not a threat, but a request.  There
are
> evidently a few rules even for "Time Lords", although they
are "rules of
> etiquette rather than laws".   Kronos was evidently getting too
close to
> the solution.  The solution has to be made by those who are
embroiled in
> the problem. :-(   The main thought I perceived was "quarantined".
>  Beyond this, your guess is as good as mine.  Kronos will still
work
> with me, but instead of manifesting directly through my body, which
we
> had practicing for quite a while, he will work through my "remnant
soul"
> as a temporary "Over-Soul").  I am at a loss for a place to begin.
(He
> was going to review Vol. I.  perhaps I could put something together
> along that line).   I have personally been studying the connection
> between the astrological tie in of the "signs of the zodiac" as
> published in the original Time Travelers material, and "modern"
> astrology.  I have made the connection and the results have been
very
> rewarding.  The problem is I don't know if you would be interested
in
> such an esoteric exploration? :-\
>
> I would like to hear from all of you who would like to see some new
> information presented here, and tell me what in particular you
would be
> interested in pursuing.  The problem being that there is so much
new
> information that I wouldn't know where to begin. :-[
> Looking forward to your responses.  (I will consider all requests,
> however, they have to be within my field of expertise.)
> (To say that I am bummed by the turn of events would be an
> understatement!) :-(
>
> Curtis



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