From: JEL <joanieelockwood@...>
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] We are being still this week
To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 6:40 AM

ndad? nothing? zilch? ;} --- On Mon, 11/23/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@...> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@...> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] We are being still this week To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 4:18 AM Hi Joan,   5 things I am grateful for this 2009:   On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:23 PM, JoanL <joanieelockwood@...> wrote:   Is there 5 things we are thankful for this 2009? Gratitude etc? I would love to hear the groups yah ah has

From: psyhimou <psyhimou@...>
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] We are being still this week
To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 4:18 AM

Hi Joan,

 

5 things I am grateful for this 2009:

 

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:23 PM, JoanL <joanieelockwood@...> wrote:

 

Is there 5 things we are thankful for this 2009?

Gratitude etc?

I would love to hear the groups yah ah has

From: curtis5432 <Curtis@...>
Subject: [Time-Travelers] 2012
To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:57 AM

Hi everyone,

I guarantee that nothing bad will happen on Dec 21, 2012. If it does happen to turn out to be the end of the world, feel free to sue me. Lol

Here is some interesting information about the subject;
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/19/no-doomsday-in-2012/

Thanks,

Curtis



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From: curtis5432 <Curtis@...>
Subject: [Time-Travelers] 2012
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Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:57 AM

Hi everyone,

I guarantee that nothing bad will happen on Dec 21, 2012. If it does happen to turn out to be the end of the world, feel free to sue me. Lol

Here is some interesting information about the subject;
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/19/no-doomsday-in-2012/

Thanks,

Curtis



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From: psyhimou <psyhimou@...>
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi PSY
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Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 10:21 PM

Hi Landon,

 

Thanks heaps.  I will watch it over the weekend.

 

Psyhimou

p.s.  I am not saying that humanity is "our fault" as such, more that humanity has limitations.  Whether these limitations are a consequence of our physical makeup or whether it is placed on us by higher powers, I just do not know.  What is Spirit's intent? For me it seems to circle back to this question.  Also I hope I am not coming across as being judgemental on humanity.  This is not what I am about.  We are what we, warts and all.  Without hope or dreams we are nothing. 

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Landon Forche <lforche@...> wrote:

 

Hiya Psy, i found a shamanic video i think you would like. Maybe it will answer a few of your questions... You see, maybe our "humanity" isnt our fault and this karma thing is pushed on us by a program that is set in place. If you had cancer in your body what would you rather do... cut a big chunk of them out, or heal them? What is Spirit's intent?
"...I came here not to judge the world, but to save it..." -Christ
Remember, he was connected to the intent of the rest of the body... i.e. God speaking directly through him to the people. (Not refering to his own personality or "holy name" as the church may call it)
Note: since names are in the language of the mind, religions are probably mostly keeping people in the Mind even thougth they claim to be getting into Spirit...
Here is the video(s)... again it answers so many questions that i had before...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=195196750871907582&ei=4XH8Sr6DN5mkqALci533BQ&q=alberto+villoldo&hl=en#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=195196750871907582&ei=4XH8Sr6DN5mkqALci533BQ&q=alberto+villoldo&hl=en#docid=-1170193336278947327

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Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 4:09:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi PSY

 

Hi JEL,

 

Oh boy is my head hurting now....Lots and lots of thinking and analysing.(LOL) ...I should have been working and yet I kept on coming back to this all day. (good thing I do not have to report to anyone in this office, or else i would be in trouble!!)

 

My father would often say "show me your friends and I will show you who you really are deep down inside.."  So much truth in that.

 

I have been trying since yesterday to response to your post and also to Dawn and Landon (thanks guys), but what I have in my head I am struggling to put into words.  I started reading various things to see if there was something that would help me to express what I am sensing.  Then I re-read Curtis's opening paragraph for his website..... .

 

"Learn, dare, do, keep silent!" And I would add, be ever patient and secretly neutral to all things. Act outwardly as a man or woman, driven by desire, to acquire everything in life that you could possibly want, but inwardly remain calm and untouched by desire, and absolutely neutral to success. This balance is the secret to absolute power, and is known and practiced by those with immense power! Power without karma or opposition, for you pay as you go! And so it is with your approach to your "Residual Soul." Be ever desiring mergence and liberation above all else, but remain absolutely neutral and serene as to when or how fast this occurs, or if it ever occurs at all, for to do otherwise, will just serve to delay your progress.

 

I actually do get what this is saying but, I am still not convinced that humanity can get to the point of Power without karma or opposition. Or what I should say is humanity as it is today cannot get to that point. 

 

Rather than say that liberation will be attained, no matter what we do, and that in fact it has happened, shouldn't we look at our role in the process and become more aware of our actions - become aware of our personality working together with our residual soul to achieve liberation?  Conversing with our soul, trying to become more at one with our soul.  

 

The shadow that we are expressing or suppressing may also be a faded memory from another life that lingers, who knows maybe to remind us not to go down that path again.  But yes I get what you mean about our mirror/shadow.  I will need to think more on this one.

 

We do see others failings so easily and bury our heads in the sand when it comes to our own failings.  I have already started the process of looking within, as events of the last 12 months forced this on me.  Not an easy thing to do. 

 

I still feel that humanity is so fragile and that, at this stage at least, it does not have the sense of truth, purpose and purity that is required for higher powers.  I just cannot let go of the feelings of sorrow and sadness I have for mankind, the fragility of being human......

 

I sometimes find myself outside of myself (gee, I hope that made sense!! LOL).  It's a bit hard to explain.  It is sort of like being disconnected  but still within. I am looking at things from a different place.  I think this also ties in with the dream and images I have.   When I am like that I find myself looking around and wonder why haven't they worked it out yet?  That the answer is so simple and it is staring at everyone. 

 

Compassion springs from acceptance, even or mostly from that we judge as "less than"

          I sometimes wonder if our souls are having a good laugh at our attempts to be "good", "compassionate" and "non-judgemental".......

                          Agh!!   I'm sure I am going to pay a price for saying that........ .

 

Take care.

Ciao

Psyhimou

  

 

 

 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:33 AM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Oh dear yes I just went through that for the last 4 years, people's motives are not always pure.  In fact humans beings are human, good people often will have lapses of extreme self interest at your expense.   It was awful for me because I had met a few Masters that were very powerful with bilocation, and telepathy, and healing- and they turned out to be 88% purely self serving.  But their selfservice included healing others -which heals them, gives them a source of income, and other traits that had symbiotic elements.    If we think of the humans/souls as the Universal mind- all one, and also a reflection of God then we must entertain the idea that we also have a mirror or shadow that we are either surpressing or that we are unsure in our own safety or our own instincts in spotting those who are trustworthy- then most likely we are not owning something along those lines about self.  I can't see it either, but there it is.

 

This is the game of life, we see others failings far more clearly then our own, and the ones that disgust and separate us are probably the ones that we are surpressing or expressing as shadow -unbeknowst to us.

 

Perhaps our soul is wanting a victim experience then what?- when I said it was a lot larger than that- this is what I meant.  As you see in the paper every day there are lots of "losers" at and of life...we are just as likely to be that as the other unless we cultivate life as we would a garden, love is important also- and forgiveness essential.    No white hats nor Black hats ...If you have question of motives look to yourself for the answers, you have them- I mean your deeper self- not necessairly your higher self LOL

 

Compassion springs from acceptance, even or mostly from that we judge as "less than"   Yuck- I can barely stand it myself:} LOL!!

 

Love, JEL --- On Tue, 11/10/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:24 AM     OK, I do not have the wealth of knowledge many of you have, but I write from my instinct, from my own experiences and what has resonated for me in my readings to date.  (but I do feel like a newbie still....).  So here goes........   JEL, I do understand what you are saying. No disagreement there.  OK, no matter what we do or say, who we abuse or love, no matter how many times our lifetime repeats itself, we will attain liberation, I get that.  What I am struggling with is peoples motives.  Attaining a higher power is wonderful as long as the person does this with a purity of heart.  I come back to the motives..... ..     I suppose my biggest problem is that I do not have faith in human nature, I feel the limitations of humanity around me.  Greed is growing more and more.  I do not deliberately go looking for negativity but i see it everywhere, cloaked in a smile or a helping hand that has a price attached. So I struggle to with people's motives.    I am very aware of what our true potential can be and I yearn for it, it's like a faded memory to me that I am desperately trying to re-claim.    In my mind I frequently see this image where I am standing in a building high above a city, watching everyone going about their business and I am concerned for their welfare and I am sad by the fact that they are limited by their humanity.    This comes up often, either in my dreams or when awake..   I just cannot let go of the fact that we are missing something here.  And it has to do with our humanity.   thanks again for reading my ramblings and giving me different ideas to think about. Ciao       On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:25 AM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   Its a little bigger than that All these things are taken into consideration And still you will attain liberation It is already done There are no mistakes Only expediency and that one is just a human invention The soul abhors expediency   Does this make sense --- On Mon, 11/9/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:24 AM Hi JEL,   OK, we do have free will, but does that change what the soul wants to achieve with a particular personality?  Eventually the personality will experience the things that the soul set out to experience.  So what is free will?   We may enjoy our lives or hate our lives, we may make decisions that  are either good or bad for us.  OK, this is free will.  We may chose to be blind to our spirituality or we may chose to embrace it and learn as much as possible.  Again free will.  But buried within that free will is the lifepath that has been set out for the personality.  That path may allow for alternate outcomes to situations depending on how we exercised our free will and on how other peoples free will affects us.   Going back to your original  comment about preparing the body for immortal sentient life and raised vibrations to the astral and causal fields, I was only trying to say that I think our intentions are not as pure, that our ego is also involved and therefore things can go wrong.   I know I may be wrong with all this, but so far everything that I have read, (I hope I have understood what I have read!!), seems to point to something like this.     Ciao     n Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   That's the free will part? --- On Sun, 11/8/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:58 AM What I am saying is that the soul has chosen a particular life for whatever reason, be it pleasure, intimacy, pain, sorrow, loss, or the great taste of pizza!  But it is the soul that chose the life not the physical entity.  Our soul chose us in this lifetime to fulfil its particular learning purpose for that life.  It did not happen the other way round.  This then begs the question how much reasoning do we have without a soul?     The arrogance I am talking about is towards our wanting to control things that we may not have the right or ability to control.     If we look at the journey from a soul's perspective - the soul is transforming to reach something greater than its current enlightenment.  It will chose lifetimes of specific learning to achieve this.  So, this begs the question - are we basically just a vehicle for the soul to achieve its goals?      On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:50 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   PSY   You miss the point we -chose to incarnate this particular focus or POV, we wanted or craved the experience to taste ,to feel pleasure in another humans body, to lick ice cream, to eat to drink- all this takes an incarnate and physical- this is why some buddhists say we reincarnate for pleasure the feelings of the physical- without the body we do not have the physical pleasures nor do we have a focused (however crappy) point of focused view   We chose this  perhaps because we love pizza- or sex or the intamacy of anothers bodywarmth- none of this can be experiences in the larger non body form, nor even as the oversoul.   And yet there is great arrogance if we have not owned ourselves and are looking outside of oneslef for ANYTHING- and yet as humans we do Duality?   Maybe but second guessing ourselves leads to years of second guessing ourselves LOL --- On Sat, 11/7/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 4:26 PM   Each one of us are is made up of our soul and our physical identity/being.  I wonder if the problem lies in the fact that we are trying to attain a higher power from the physical being's perspective and not from the soul's perspective.  Everything we learn and understand about the role of our soul, and its ultimate goal, is for the benefit of the soul not the personality.  I think arrogance is still a problem for us.  We think we are capable of doing so much but we are restricted, and this restriction is placed on us deliberately (lets face it, most are just not ready for this knowledge while incarnate).  As long as we still identify with our physical side we will never be able to successfully attain a higher power without any ramifications.   Just some thoughts that keep rambling in my head........ ..I may be wrong....... ...       On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Landon Forche <lforche@yahoo. com> wrote:   I have been thinking that same kind of thing... over the past two years I have come across many things in research... one of them included "The Secret" this is that principal of thinking that what we thought was "good" we wanted to create with our thoughts, however we dont know really what is truth until we connect so we cant know what is "good" and "bad" in that moment/situation in time without the guidance of our intuition. Create from a Spirit guided personality. From: curtis5432 <Curtis@time- travelers. org> To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 8:05:24 PM Subject: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis   Hi Iaian, Exactly. Let me rephrase my earlier post by saying that this was a metaphysically arrogant time, when we thought we could solve our spiritual problems by simply thinking our way to solutions. The arrogance was in believing whatever we thought, had to be the truth. Years ago, when I was in my early twenties, I believed the same thing. It wasn't until after years of study and discovery, that I learned how the Matrix actually worked, and could clearly see the creative intent, and our place in the universal scheme. I suppose it is the folly of the agedly, that the older we get, the more we expect the younger generations to know and understand what we know, when after all, it took us all of our lives to know and understand what we believe we now know. Lol Thanks, Curtis --- In time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com, iaiaian <foxlolfridays@ ...> wrote: > > curtis, isn't your walk in a fallen one? > > How does the arrogance of it fly in the face of the intent of creation? > > is it because powers are a distraction and keep us in a lower state because > we are not completely connecting with the love source which is creation? >

From: Dawn Mackey <riversideacupuncture@...>
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis
To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 3:30 PM

I sometimes feel the same way especially when I see people cheating, scamming, etc., but then I think they are also going through their own life lessons and experiences just like myself.  I turn my attention inward onto my own self, my feelings, ego etc.  This help me to stay positive.  I find the more positive, let's say the more thinking/feeling I am in then I am also attracting that kind of energy toward me then the better I feel about humanity in general because I am seeing that positive side of human more. LOL.  Sorry, seems like I'm going around and around about this. Yesterday, one of my client who has been worrying sick about his 21 year old daughter who was recently diagnosed with a rare form of brain tumor.  She was taking medications to try to shrink the tumor down as much as possible before surgery but the medications didn't work and they gave her another medications. He felt she was not very aggressive in her own treatment, i.e. she should see other doctors, get some other kind of treatment, etc.  He told me his daughter was supposed to have surgery yesterday but don't need it now because the tumor is now completely gone and the doctors don't know why.  What was she doing?  He said she started to attend church.  He pastor and people at church prayed for her.  Friends of friends of friends prayed for her. All her relatives, at different times independent of each other prayed for her.  Her grandmother prayed and imagined the tumor withered away like grape on the vine.  One night his daughter had a dream that she died, she reviewed records of her life.  She saw God and he asked if she wanted to take refuge with him and live her life, she said yes. Moral of the story?  There is hope for our humanity yet.  People showed love and faith and hope, most of the people didn't even know her yet they extend their love to pray for her. Well, enough preaching.  lol.  I better go back to work. Dawn --- On Tue, 11/10/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@...> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@...> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:24 AM       OK, I do not have the wealth of knowledge many of you have, but I write from my instinct, from my own experiences and what has resonated for me in my readings to date.  (but I do feel like a newbie still....).  So here goes........   JEL, I do understand what you are saying. No disagreement there.  OK, no matter what we do or say, who we abuse or love, no matter how many times our lifetime repeats itself, we will attain liberation, I get that.  What I am struggling with is peoples motives.  Attaining a higher power is wonderful as long as the person does this with a purity of heart.  I come back to the motives..... ..     I suppose my biggest problem is that I do not have faith in human nature, I feel the limitations of humanity around me.  Greed is growing more and more.  I do not deliberately go looking for negativity but i see it everywhere, cloaked in a smile or a helping hand that has a price attached. So I struggle to with people's motives.    I am very aware of what our true potential can be and I yearn for it, it's like a faded memory to me that I am desperately trying to re-claim.    In my mind I frequently see this image where I am standing in a building high above a city, watching everyone going about their business and I am concerned for their welfare and I am sad by the fact that they are limited by their humanity.    This comes up often, either in my dreams or when awake..   I just cannot let go of the fact that we are missing something here.  And it has to do with our humanity.   thanks again for reading my ramblings and giving me different ideas to think about. Ciao       On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:25 AM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   Its a little bigger than that All these things are taken into consideration And still you will attain liberation It is already done There are no mistakes Only expediency and that one is just a human invention The soul abhors expediency   Does this make sense --- On Mon, 11/9/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:24 AM Hi JEL,   OK, we do have free will, but does that change what the soul wants to achieve with a particular personality?  Eventually the personality will experience the things that the soul set out to experience.  So what is free will?   We may enjoy our lives or hate our lives, we may make decisions that  are either good or bad for us.  OK, this is free will.  We may chose to be blind to our spirituality or we may chose to embrace it and learn as much as possible.  Again free will.  But buried within that free will is the lifepath that has been set out for the personality.  That path may allow for alternate outcomes to situations depending on how we exercised our free will and on how other peoples free will affects us.   Going back to your original  comment about preparing the body for immortal sentient life and raised vibrations to the astral and causal fields, I was only trying to say that I think our intentions are not as pure, that our ego is also involved and therefore things can go wrong.   I know I may be wrong with all this, but so far everything that I have read, (I hope I have understood what I have read!!), seems to point to something like this.     Ciao     n Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   That's the free will part? --- On Sun, 11/8/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:58 AM What I am saying is that the soul has chosen a particular life for whatever reason, be it pleasure, intimacy, pain, sorrow, loss, or the great taste of pizza!  But it is the soul that chose the life not the physical entity.  Our soul chose us in this lifetime to fulfil its particular learning purpose for that life.  It did not happen the other way round.  This then begs the question how much reasoning do we have without a soul?     The arrogance I am talking about is towards our wanting to control things that we may not have the right or ability to control.     If we look at the journey from a soul's perspective - the soul is transforming to reach something greater than its current enlightenment.  It will chose lifetimes of specific learning to achieve this.  So, this begs the question - are we basically just a vehicle for the soul to achieve its goals?      On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:50 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   PSY   You miss the point we -chose to incarnate this particular focus or POV, we wanted or craved the experience to taste ,to feel pleasure in another humans body, to lick ice cream, to eat to drink- all this takes an incarnate and physical- this is why some buddhists say we reincarnate for pleasure the feelings of the physical- without the body we do not have the physical pleasures nor do we have a focused (however crappy) point of focused view   We chose this  perhaps because we love pizza- or sex or the intamacy of anothers bodywarmth- none of this can be experiences in the larger non body form, nor even as the oversoul.   And yet there is great arrogance if we have not owned ourselves and are looking outside of oneslef for ANYTHING- and yet as humans we do Duality?   Maybe but second guessing ourselves leads to years of second guessing ourselves LOL --- On Sat, 11/7/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 4:26 PM   Each one of us are is made up of our soul and our physical identity/being.  I wonder if the problem lies in the fact that we are trying to attain a higher power from the physical being's perspective and not from the soul's perspective.  Everything we learn and understand about the role of our soul, and its ultimate goal, is for the benefit of the soul not the personality.  I think arrogance is still a problem for us.  We think we are capable of doing so much but we are restricted, and this restriction is placed on us deliberately (lets face it, most are just not ready for this knowledge while incarnate).  As long as we still identify with our physical side we will never be able to successfully attain a higher power without any ramifications.   Just some thoughts that keep rambling in my head........ ..I may be wrong....... ...       On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Landon Forche <lforche@yahoo. com> wrote:   I have been thinking that same kind of thing... over the past two years I have come across many things in research... one of them included "The Secret" this is that principal of thinking that what we thought was "good" we wanted to create with our thoughts, however we dont know really what is truth until we connect so we cant know what is "good" and "bad" in that moment/situation in time without the guidance of our intuition. Create from a Spirit guided personality. From: curtis5432 <Curtis@time- travelers. org> To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 8:05:24 PM Subject: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis   Hi Iaian, Exactly. Let me rephrase my earlier post by saying that this was a metaphysically arrogant time, when we thought we could solve our spiritual problems by simply thinking our way to solutions. The arrogance was in believing whatever we thought, had to be the truth. Years ago, when I was in my early twenties, I believed the same thing. It wasn't until after years of study and discovery, that I learned how the Matrix actually worked, and could clearly see the creative intent, and our place in the universal scheme. I suppose it is the folly of the agedly, that the older we get, the more we expect the younger generations to know and understand what we know, when after all, it took us all of our lives to know and understand what we believe we now know. Lol Thanks, Curtis --- In time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com, iaiaian <foxlolfridays@ ...> wrote: > > curtis, isn't your walk in a fallen one? > > How does the arrogance of it fly in the face of the intent of creation? > > is it because powers are a distraction and keep us in a lower state because > we are not completely connecting with the love source which is creation? >

From: Landon Forche <lforche@...>
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis
To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 12:44 PM

Imagine cancer... cells that have had their genetics changed from the rest of the bodies cells and they are consuming each other and gaining a larger tumor... imagine a healthy cell coming into the tumor with natural attributes of being connected to the body, such as sustainability, the cell getting nutrients from the food the body has eaten... it is getting very well taken care of and is helping others all the time with its connectedness with the rest... its intent is the very same as the rest of the body for sustainability and its motives are always pure because of that... it also has its own individuality and freedom, just as meant to be. When the cancer cells see that person, they will be either very fearful of the presence, of what they precieve as "opposition" to their system of things, or they will be in awe at the connectedness and natural attributes of health, also how that cell knows that it is no greater, or worse than anything else in the body. That said, think of a person said by the religions to be the "only son of god"...  If we are connected to the universe, we will have the "right" intent... always, energetically, and be able to see through all the illusions. The Truth is Wholeness and connectedness. The sword of truth cuts through all because the Truth is something that Both sides agree upon.

---

From: psyhimou <psyhimou@...>
To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 9:24:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis

 

 

 

OK, I do not have the wealth of knowledge many of you have, but I write from my instinct, from my own experiences and what has resonated for me in my readings to date.  (but I do feel like a newbie still....).  So here goes........

 

JEL, I do understand what you are saying. No disagreement there.  OK, no matter what we do or say, who we abuse or love, no matter how many times our lifetime repeats itself, we will attain liberation, I get that.  What I am struggling with is peoples motives.  Attaining a higher power is wonderful as long as the person does this with a purity of heart.  I come back to the motives..... ..  

 

I suppose my biggest problem is that I do not have faith in human nature, I feel the limitations of humanity around me.  Greed is growing more and more.  I do not deliberately go looking for negativity but i see it everywhere, cloaked in a smile or a helping hand that has a price attached. So I struggle to with people's motives. 

 

I am very aware of what our true potential can be and I yearn for it, it's like a faded memory to me that I am desperately trying to re-claim.    In my mind I frequently see this image where I am standing in a building high above a city, watching everyone going about their business and I am concerned for their welfare and I am sad by the fact that they are limited by their humanity.    This comes up often, either in my dreams or when awake..

 

I just cannot let go of the fact that we are missing something here.  And it has to do with our humanity.

 

thanks again for reading my ramblings and giving me different ideas to think about.

Ciao

 

 

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:25 AM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Its a little bigger than that All these things are taken into consideration And still you will attain liberation It is already done There are no mistakes Only expediency and that one is just a human invention The soul abhors expediency   Does this make sense --- On Mon, 11/9/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:24 AM Hi JEL,   OK, we do have free will, but does that change what the soul wants to achieve with a particular personality?  Eventually the personality will experience the things that the soul set out to experience.  So what is free will?   We may enjoy our lives or hate our lives, we may make decisions that  are either good or bad for us.  OK, this is free will.  We may chose to be blind to our spirituality or we may chose to embrace it and learn as much as possible.  Again free will.  But buried within that free will is the lifepath that has been set out for the personality.  That path may allow for alternate outcomes to situations depending on how we exercised our free will and on how other peoples free will affects us.   Going back to your original  comment about preparing the body for immortal sentient life and raised vibrations to the astral and causal fields, I was only trying to say that I think our intentions are not as pure, that our ego is also involved and therefore things can go wrong.   I know I may be wrong with all this, but so far everything that I have read, (I hope I have understood what I have read!!), seems to point to something like this.     Ciao     n Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   That's the free will part? --- On Sun, 11/8/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:58 AM What I am saying is that the soul has chosen a particular life for whatever reason, be it pleasure, intimacy, pain, sorrow, loss, or the great taste of pizza!  But it is the soul that chose the life not the physical entity.  Our soul chose us in this lifetime to fulfil its particular learning purpose for that life.  It did not happen the other way round.  This then begs the question how much reasoning do we have without a soul?     The arrogance I am talking about is towards our wanting to control things that we may not have the right or ability to control.     If we look at the journey from a soul's perspective - the soul is transforming to reach something greater than its current enlightenment.  It will chose lifetimes of specific learning to achieve this.  So, this begs the question - are we basically just a vehicle for the soul to achieve its goals?      On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:50 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   PSY   You miss the point we -chose to incarnate this particular focus or POV, we wanted or craved the experience to taste ,to feel pleasure in another humans body, to lick ice cream, to eat to drink- all this takes an incarnate and physical- this is why some buddhists say we reincarnate for pleasure the feelings of the physical- without the body we do not have the physical pleasures nor do we have a focused (however crappy) point of focused view   We chose this  perhaps because we love pizza- or sex or the intamacy of anothers bodywarmth- none of this can be experiences in the larger non body form, nor even as the oversoul.   And yet there is great arrogance if we have not owned ourselves and are looking outside of oneslef for ANYTHING- and yet as humans we do Duality?   Maybe but second guessing ourselves leads to years of second guessing ourselves LOL --- On Sat, 11/7/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 4:26 PM   Each one of us are is made up of our soul and our physical identity/being.  I wonder if the problem lies in the fact that we are trying to attain a higher power from the physical being's perspective and not from the soul's perspective.  Everything we learn and understand about the role of our soul, and its ultimate goal, is for the benefit of the soul not the personality.  I think arrogance is still a problem for us.  We think we are capable of doing so much but we are restricted, and this restriction is placed on us deliberately (lets face it, most are just not ready for this knowledge while incarnate).  As long as we still identify with our physical side we will never be able to successfully attain a higher power without any ramifications.   Just some thoughts that keep rambling in my head........ ..I may be wrong....... ...       On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Landon Forche <lforche@yahoo. com> wrote:   I have been thinking that same kind of thing... over the past two years I have come across many things in research... one of them included "The Secret" this is that principal of thinking that what we thought was "good" we wanted to create with our thoughts, however we dont know really what is truth until we connect so we cant know what is "good" and "bad" in that moment/situation in time without the guidance of our intuition. Create from a Spirit guided personality. From: curtis5432 <Curtis@time- travelers. org> To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 8:05:24 PM Subject: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis   Hi Iaian, Exactly. Let me rephrase my earlier post by saying that this was a metaphysically arrogant time, when we thought we could solve our spiritual problems by simply thinking our way to solutions. The arrogance was in believing whatever we thought, had to be the truth. Years ago, when I was in my early twenties, I believed the same thing. It wasn't until after years of study and discovery, that I learned how the Matrix actually worked, and could clearly see the creative intent, and our place in the universal scheme. I suppose it is the folly of the agedly, that the older we get, the more we expect the younger generations to know and understand what we know, when after all, it took us all of our lives to know and understand what we believe we now know. Lol Thanks, Curtis --- In time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com, iaiaian <foxlolfridays@ ...> wrote: > > curtis, isn't your walk in a fallen one? > > How does the arrogance of it fly in the face of the intent of creation? > > is it because powers are a distraction and keep us in a lower state because > we are not completely connecting with the love source which is creation? >

From: Landon Forche <lforche@...>
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis
To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 12:44 PM

Imagine cancer... cells that have had their genetics changed from the rest of the bodies cells and they are consuming each other and gaining a larger tumor... imagine a healthy cell coming into the tumor with natural attributes of being connected to the body, such as sustainability, the cell getting nutrients from the food the body has eaten... it is getting very well taken care of and is helping others all the time with its connectedness with the rest... its intent is the very same as the rest of the body for sustainability and its motives are always pure because of that... it also has its own individuality and freedom, just as meant to be. When the cancer cells see that person, they will be either very fearful of the presence, of what they precieve as "opposition" to their system of things, or they will be in awe at the connectedness and natural attributes of health, also how that cell knows that it is no greater, or worse than anything else in the body. That said, think of a person said by the religions to be the "only son of god"...  If we are connected to the universe, we will have the "right" intent... always, energetically, and be able to see through all the illusions. The Truth is Wholeness and connectedness. The sword of truth cuts through all because the Truth is something that Both sides agree upon.

---

From: psyhimou <psyhimou@...>
To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 9:24:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis

 

 

 

OK, I do not have the wealth of knowledge many of you have, but I write from my instinct, from my own experiences and what has resonated for me in my readings to date.  (but I do feel like a newbie still....).  So here goes........

 

JEL, I do understand what you are saying. No disagreement there.  OK, no matter what we do or say, who we abuse or love, no matter how many times our lifetime repeats itself, we will attain liberation, I get that.  What I am struggling with is peoples motives.  Attaining a higher power is wonderful as long as the person does this with a purity of heart.  I come back to the motives..... ..  

 

I suppose my biggest problem is that I do not have faith in human nature, I feel the limitations of humanity around me.  Greed is growing more and more.  I do not deliberately go looking for negativity but i see it everywhere, cloaked in a smile or a helping hand that has a price attached. So I struggle to with people's motives. 

 

I am very aware of what our true potential can be and I yearn for it, it's like a faded memory to me that I am desperately trying to re-claim.    In my mind I frequently see this image where I am standing in a building high above a city, watching everyone going about their business and I am concerned for their welfare and I am sad by the fact that they are limited by their humanity.    This comes up often, either in my dreams or when awake..

 

I just cannot let go of the fact that we are missing something here.  And it has to do with our humanity.

 

thanks again for reading my ramblings and giving me different ideas to think about.

Ciao

 

 

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:25 AM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Its a little bigger than that All these things are taken into consideration And still you will attain liberation It is already done There are no mistakes Only expediency and that one is just a human invention The soul abhors expediency   Does this make sense --- On Mon, 11/9/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:24 AM Hi JEL,   OK, we do have free will, but does that change what the soul wants to achieve with a particular personality?  Eventually the personality will experience the things that the soul set out to experience.  So what is free will?   We may enjoy our lives or hate our lives, we may make decisions that  are either good or bad for us.  OK, this is free will.  We may chose to be blind to our spirituality or we may chose to embrace it and learn as much as possible.  Again free will.  But buried within that free will is the lifepath that has been set out for the personality.  That path may allow for alternate outcomes to situations depending on how we exercised our free will and on how other peoples free will affects us.   Going back to your original  comment about preparing the body for immortal sentient life and raised vibrations to the astral and causal fields, I was only trying to say that I think our intentions are not as pure, that our ego is also involved and therefore things can go wrong.   I know I may be wrong with all this, but so far everything that I have read, (I hope I have understood what I have read!!), seems to point to something like this.     Ciao     n Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   That's the free will part? --- On Sun, 11/8/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:58 AM What I am saying is that the soul has chosen a particular life for whatever reason, be it pleasure, intimacy, pain, sorrow, loss, or the great taste of pizza!  But it is the soul that chose the life not the physical entity.  Our soul chose us in this lifetime to fulfil its particular learning purpose for that life.  It did not happen the other way round.  This then begs the question how much reasoning do we have without a soul?     The arrogance I am talking about is towards our wanting to control things that we may not have the right or ability to control.     If we look at the journey from a soul's perspective - the soul is transforming to reach something greater than its current enlightenment.  It will chose lifetimes of specific learning to achieve this.  So, this begs the question - are we basically just a vehicle for the soul to achieve its goals?      On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:50 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   PSY   You miss the point we -chose to incarnate this particular focus or POV, we wanted or craved the experience to taste ,to feel pleasure in another humans body, to lick ice cream, to eat to drink- all this takes an incarnate and physical- this is why some buddhists say we reincarnate for pleasure the feelings of the physical- without the body we do not have the physical pleasures nor do we have a focused (however crappy) point of focused view   We chose this  perhaps because we love pizza- or sex or the intamacy of anothers bodywarmth- none of this can be experiences in the larger non body form, nor even as the oversoul.   And yet there is great arrogance if we have not owned ourselves and are looking outside of oneslef for ANYTHING- and yet as humans we do Duality?   Maybe but second guessing ourselves leads to years of second guessing ourselves LOL --- On Sat, 11/7/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 4:26 PM   Each one of us are is made up of our soul and our physical identity/being.  I wonder if the problem lies in the fact that we are trying to attain a higher power from the physical being's perspective and not from the soul's perspective.  Everything we learn and understand about the role of our soul, and its ultimate goal, is for the benefit of the soul not the personality.  I think arrogance is still a problem for us.  We think we are capable of doing so much but we are restricted, and this restriction is placed on us deliberately (lets face it, most are just not ready for this knowledge while incarnate).  As long as we still identify with our physical side we will never be able to successfully attain a higher power without any ramifications.   Just some thoughts that keep rambling in my head........ ..I may be wrong....... ...       On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Landon Forche <lforche@yahoo. com> wrote:   I have been thinking that same kind of thing... over the past two years I have come across many things in research... one of them included "The Secret" this is that principal of thinking that what we thought was "good" we wanted to create with our thoughts, however we dont know really what is truth until we connect so we cant know what is "good" and "bad" in that moment/situation in time without the guidance of our intuition. Create from a Spirit guided personality. From: curtis5432 <Curtis@time- travelers. org> To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 8:05:24 PM Subject: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis   Hi Iaian, Exactly. Let me rephrase my earlier post by saying that this was a metaphysically arrogant time, when we thought we could solve our spiritual problems by simply thinking our way to solutions. The arrogance was in believing whatever we thought, had to be the truth. Years ago, when I was in my early twenties, I believed the same thing. It wasn't until after years of study and discovery, that I learned how the Matrix actually worked, and could clearly see the creative intent, and our place in the universal scheme. I suppose it is the folly of the agedly, that the older we get, the more we expect the younger generations to know and understand what we know, when after all, it took us all of our lives to know and understand what we believe we now know. Lol Thanks, Curtis --- In time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com, iaiaian <foxlolfridays@ ...> wrote: > > curtis, isn't your walk in a fallen one? > > How does the arrogance of it fly in the face of the intent of creation? > > is it because powers are a distraction and keep us in a lower state because > we are not completely connecting with the love source which is creation? >

From: psyhimou <psyhimou@...>
Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis
To: time-travelers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:24 AM

 

 

 

OK, I do not have the wealth of knowledge many of you have, but I write from my instinct, from my own experiences and what has resonated for me in my readings to date.  (but I do feel like a newbie still....).  So here goes........

 

JEL, I do understand what you are saying. No disagreement there.  OK, no matter what we do or say, who we abuse or love, no matter how many times our lifetime repeats itself, we will attain liberation, I get that.  What I am struggling with is peoples motives.  Attaining a higher power is wonderful as long as the person does this with a purity of heart.  I come back to the motives..... ..  

 

I suppose my biggest problem is that I do not have faith in human nature, I feel the limitations of humanity around me.  Greed is growing more and more.  I do not deliberately go looking for negativity but i see it everywhere, cloaked in a smile or a helping hand that has a price attached. So I struggle to with people's motives. 

 

I am very aware of what our true potential can be and I yearn for it, it's like a faded memory to me that I am desperately trying to re-claim.    In my mind I frequently see this image where I am standing in a building high above a city, watching everyone going about their business and I am concerned for their welfare and I am sad by the fact that they are limited by their humanity.    This comes up often, either in my dreams or when awake..

 

I just cannot let go of the fact that we are missing something here.  And it has to do with our humanity.

 

thanks again for reading my ramblings and giving me different ideas to think about.

Ciao

 

 

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:25 AM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Its a little bigger than that All these things are taken into consideration And still you will attain liberation It is already done There are no mistakes Only expediency and that one is just a human invention The soul abhors expediency   Does this make sense --- On Mon, 11/9/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:24 AM Hi JEL,   OK, we do have free will, but does that change what the soul wants to achieve with a particular personality?  Eventually the personality will experience the things that the soul set out to experience.  So what is free will?   We may enjoy our lives or hate our lives, we may make decisions that  are either good or bad for us.  OK, this is free will.  We may chose to be blind to our spirituality or we may chose to embrace it and learn as much as possible.  Again free will.  But buried within that free will is the lifepath that has been set out for the personality.  That path may allow for alternate outcomes to situations depending on how we exercised our free will and on how other peoples free will affects us.   Going back to your original  comment about preparing the body for immortal sentient life and raised vibrations to the astral and causal fields, I was only trying to say that I think our intentions are not as pure, that our ego is also involved and therefore things can go wrong.   I know I may be wrong with all this, but so far everything that I have read, (I hope I have understood what I have read!!), seems to point to something like this.     Ciao     n Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   That's the free will part? --- On Sun, 11/8/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:58 AM What I am saying is that the soul has chosen a particular life for whatever reason, be it pleasure, intimacy, pain, sorrow, loss, or the great taste of pizza!  But it is the soul that chose the life not the physical entity.  Our soul chose us in this lifetime to fulfil its particular learning purpose for that life.  It did not happen the other way round.  This then begs the question how much reasoning do we have without a soul?     The arrogance I am talking about is towards our wanting to control things that we may not have the right or ability to control.     If we look at the journey from a soul's perspective - the soul is transforming to reach something greater than its current enlightenment.  It will chose lifetimes of specific learning to achieve this.  So, this begs the question - are we basically just a vehicle for the soul to achieve its goals?      On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:50 PM, JEL <joanieelockwood@ yahoo.com> wrote:   PSY   You miss the point we -chose to incarnate this particular focus or POV, we wanted or craved the experience to taste ,to feel pleasure in another humans body, to lick ice cream, to eat to drink- all this takes an incarnate and physical- this is why some buddhists say we reincarnate for pleasure the feelings of the physical- without the body we do not have the physical pleasures nor do we have a focused (however crappy) point of focused view   We chose this  perhaps because we love pizza- or sex or the intamacy of anothers bodywarmth- none of this can be experiences in the larger non body form, nor even as the oversoul.   And yet there is great arrogance if we have not owned ourselves and are looking outside of oneslef for ANYTHING- and yet as humans we do Duality?   Maybe but second guessing ourselves leads to years of second guessing ourselves LOL --- On Sat, 11/7/09, psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> wrote: From: psyhimou <psyhimou@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 4:26 PM   Each one of us are is made up of our soul and our physical identity/being.  I wonder if the problem lies in the fact that we are trying to attain a higher power from the physical being's perspective and not from the soul's perspective.  Everything we learn and understand about the role of our soul, and its ultimate goal, is for the benefit of the soul not the personality.  I think arrogance is still a problem for us.  We think we are capable of doing so much but we are restricted, and this restriction is placed on us deliberately (lets face it, most are just not ready for this knowledge while incarnate).  As long as we still identify with our physical side we will never be able to successfully attain a higher power without any ramifications.   Just some thoughts that keep rambling in my head........ ..I may be wrong....... ...       On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Landon Forche <lforche@yahoo. com> wrote:   I have been thinking that same kind of thing... over the past two years I have come across many things in research... one of them included "The Secret" this is that principal of thinking that what we thought was "good" we wanted to create with our thoughts, however we dont know really what is truth until we connect so we cant know what is "good" and "bad" in that moment/situation in time without the guidance of our intuition. Create from a Spirit guided personality. From: curtis5432 <Curtis@time- travelers. org> To: time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 8:05:24 PM Subject: [Time-Travelers] Re: Hi Curtis   Hi Iaian, Exactly. Let me rephrase my earlier post by saying that this was a metaphysically arrogant time, when we thought we could solve our spiritual problems by simply thinking our way to solutions. The arrogance was in believing whatever we thought, had to be the truth. Years ago, when I was in my early twenties, I believed the same thing. It wasn't until after years of study and discovery, that I learned how the Matrix actually worked, and could clearly see the creative intent, and our place in the universal scheme. I suppose it is the folly of the agedly, that the older we get, the more we expect the younger generations to know and understand what we know, when after all, it took us all of our lives to know and understand what we believe we now know. Lol Thanks, Curtis --- In time-travelers@ yahoogroups. com, iaiaian <foxlolfridays@ ...> wrote: > > curtis, isn't your walk in a fallen one? > > How does the arrogance of it fly in the face of the intent of creation? > > is it because powers are a distraction and keep us in a lower state because > we are not completely connecting with the love source which is creation? >