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Cruising Szasz by Jeffrey A. Schaler   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #955 of 1997 |
Re: rumors


> ...
> I was referring to gossip about the way they (supposedly) tyranize
> (ex-)members and extort money from people. Whether or not they, or
some
> of them, do these things, is quite investigatable, but not by me,
nor
> can I establish the reliability of public testimony presented in
web
> sites by parties to the dispute. And I don't believe you can
either.
>
> Of course we can read their philosophy and form an opinion about
it. But
> their philosophy, whether you or I agree with it or not, has
nothing to
> do with these rumors about the methods they employ for, lets say,
> fostering harmony within the group.
>
> Mira

Do you think our knowledge is similarly restricted with regard to
other exclusive, insular organizations? To pick an example, how
about the famous Five Families of New York City, those being the
Bonanno family, the Colombo Family, the Gambino family, the Genovese
family, and the Lucchese family. Are we truly to not draw serious
opinions as to the methods each of these employed for fostering
harmony with the group?

This does not seem sensible to me.


Tracy Harms






Thu Aug 4, 2005 6:10 pm

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From: http://theszaszblog.blogspot.com/2005/07/cruising-szasz-by-jeffrey- schaler.html Cruising Szasz By Jeffrey A. Schaler Actor Tom Cruise created quite a...
Dioguardi Matthew
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Scientology is recognized by ... I'd have to disagree with Schaler on this. Suffice it to say that Scientology might deserve more respect if it stopped using...
Rob Ryley
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Aug 1, 2005
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I read Schaler's comments about Scientology in the preceding message and based on those remarks, I would not characterize Schaler as being "fond of...
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Aug 1, 2005
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Until Scientology starts blowing up people like Wahabi fundamentalists, it presents less of an intimidation situation than quashing the altar boy's rape...
Martin Kessler
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Aug 1, 2005
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I think you are right that the beliefs of the Scientologists about extraterristrial beings are not any more ridiculous than similar beliefs in other religions....
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ozarkheretic wrote: Except that the people who started Scientology are more or less contemporary to our times and they have had the benefit of the scientific...
Martin Kessler
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Aug 2, 2005
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... The history of Church of Scientology intimidation tactics vs. critics is well established. Just look at the following links: ...
Rob Ryley
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... No. The intimidation efforts of Scientologists should not be quickly belittled. For example, please consider the experience and situation of my friend,...
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I think it is probably not possible for an outsider to have an informed opinion about Scientology. Such an opinion is per force based on hearsay. Furthermore,...
mirah@...
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... Mira, I strongly disagree. Yes, we face limitations on the quality of our knowledge in such situations, but there are serious problems with quality of...
Tracy B. Harms
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I am not sure I understand your point about an opinion being based on hearsay. Isn't just about everything we say we know or believe based on hearsay? Some...
Charles Howard
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... I would like to add: Taking the idea to its logical conclusion, no one could properly criticize psychiatry without being an "insider" (ie. a psychiatrist)....
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... I think there's a misunderstanding here. I didn't say anything about the beliefs on which Scientology is based. I was referring to gossip about the way...
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... some ... nor ... web ... either. ... it. But ... nothing to ... Do you think our knowledge is similarly restricted with regard to other exclusive, insular...
Tracy B. Harms
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... Sorry, I've never heard of any of these. My plea was to stick to the topic of this list and not digress to gossip. Mira...
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... Sticking to topic makes sense. However, I still think it would be a serious error to dismiss criticism of Scientology as mere gossip, especially if that...
Tracy B. Harms
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I think most members would agree that the CCHR have done some excellent work. They certainly seem very organised, disciplined and dedicated which are qualities...
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... I am *not* a follower of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, however I have found some great pearls of wisdom in his books. One of the things he wrote was,...
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Just in response to Mira I would say that the financial muscle of the Scientologists is certainly a strength. If they apply that muscle to exposing psychiatric...
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