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Cruising Szasz by Jeffrey A. Schaler   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #947 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Re: Cruising Szasz by Jeffrey A. Schaler

I think it is probably not possible for an outsider to have an informed
opinion about Scientology. Such an opinion is per force based on
hearsay. Furthermore, it is now a worldwide movement, so the experiences
in, say, Clearwater FL, may be totally different from the experiences
in, say, Berlin.

The same would hold true for any large ideological organization. Look at
Catholocism. While some Catholics, including the Vatican, supported, or
at best, ignored the nazis, thereby tacitly cooperating with them, other
Chatholics were risking their lives to protest the T-4 program or save
Jews. And while some priests were engaging in pedofily, elsewhere other
priests and nuns were working 100 hours a week caring for street
children, the sick the elderly, etc.

In any such organization there are going to be good and bad ideas, as
well as good and bad deeds. We cannot judge an entire organization by
its scandals.

The fact is, that the non-scientologists of the world who oppose
psychiatry have failed to organize themselves and become a major
influence. Thomas Szasz, sometimes called "the conscience of psychiatry"
has done his job almost single-handedly. It's a cliché, but united we
stand, divided we fall. The pharmaceutical-psychiatric industry is so
enormously rich and powerful, that unity among its opponents is our only
hope, even if that means, to use another cliché, that the enemies of our
enemies are our friends.

Mira






Tue Aug 2, 2005 10:54 am

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From: http://theszaszblog.blogspot.com/2005/07/cruising-szasz-by-jeffrey- schaler.html Cruising Szasz By Jeffrey A. Schaler Actor Tom Cruise created quite a...
Dioguardi Matthew
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Jul 31, 2005
2:58 pm

Scientology is recognized by ... I'd have to disagree with Schaler on this. Suffice it to say that Scientology might deserve more respect if it stopped using...
Rob Ryley
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Aug 1, 2005
2:59 am

I read Schaler's comments about Scientology in the preceding message and based on those remarks, I would not characterize Schaler as being "fond of...
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Aug 1, 2005
4:28 pm

Until Scientology starts blowing up people like Wahabi fundamentalists, it presents less of an intimidation situation than quashing the altar boy's rape...
Martin Kessler
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Aug 1, 2005
7:21 pm

I think you are right that the beliefs of the Scientologists about extraterristrial beings are not any more ridiculous than similar beliefs in other religions....
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Aug 1, 2005
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ozarkheretic wrote: Except that the people who started Scientology are more or less contemporary to our times and they have had the benefit of the scientific...
Martin Kessler
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Aug 2, 2005
12:24 am

... The history of Church of Scientology intimidation tactics vs. critics is well established. Just look at the following links: ...
Rob Ryley
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Aug 1, 2005
10:58 pm

... No. The intimidation efforts of Scientologists should not be quickly belittled. For example, please consider the experience and situation of my friend,...
Tracy B. Harms
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Aug 2, 2005
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I think it is probably not possible for an outsider to have an informed opinion about Scientology. Such an opinion is per force based on hearsay. Furthermore,...
mirah@...
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Aug 2, 2005
10:54 am

... Mira, I strongly disagree. Yes, we face limitations on the quality of our knowledge in such situations, but there are serious problems with quality of...
Tracy B. Harms
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Aug 2, 2005
10:40 pm

I am not sure I understand your point about an opinion being based on hearsay. Isn't just about everything we say we know or believe based on hearsay? Some...
Charles Howard
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Aug 3, 2005
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... I would like to add: Taking the idea to its logical conclusion, no one could properly criticize psychiatry without being an "insider" (ie. a psychiatrist)....
Rob Ryley
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Aug 3, 2005
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... I think there's a misunderstanding here. I didn't say anything about the beliefs on which Scientology is based. I was referring to gossip about the way...
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Aug 3, 2005
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... some ... nor ... web ... either. ... it. But ... nothing to ... Do you think our knowledge is similarly restricted with regard to other exclusive, insular...
Tracy B. Harms
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Aug 4, 2005
6:10 pm

... Sorry, I've never heard of any of these. My plea was to stick to the topic of this list and not digress to gossip. Mira...
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Aug 4, 2005
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... Sticking to topic makes sense. However, I still think it would be a serious error to dismiss criticism of Scientology as mere gossip, especially if that...
Tracy B. Harms
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I think most members would agree that the CCHR have done some excellent work. They certainly seem very organised, disciplined and dedicated which are qualities...
sean fleming
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Aug 5, 2005
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... I am *not* a follower of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, however I have found some great pearls of wisdom in his books. One of the things he wrote was,...
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Aug 5, 2005
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Just in response to Mira I would say that the financial muscle of the Scientologists is certainly a strength. If they apply that muscle to exposing psychiatric...
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