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Reply | Forward Message #885 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Re: The sensational verdict is published in English

etaonsh wrote:

> There must be a lot of patients and former patients
> (and prisoners, for that matter) disappointed to find no crock of
> gold for their irrefutable, unredressed tribulations, and more
> importantly, perhaps, no protection for future incumbents in the same
> situations as they arise (often unbelievable for those with no inside
> knowledge of the mental health system).

Perhaps in that sense this case could be beneficial, by demonstrating
that abuse is not incidental, but the very fabric of psychiatry. I was
able to understand some of the film, but my German isn't good enough to
judge whether the brief clip accomplished that.

Mira




Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:20 pm

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Dear Friends, The sensational verdict of today is published in English here: http://www.iaapa.de/CASE_OF_ST_%20v_GERMANY.doc Rene Talbot Sectretary of IAAPA...
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Jun 16, 2005
3:09 pm

René, I haven't read all of it yet, but it looks to me so far that this verdict is of little use to us. The "applicant" as the document calls her, was...
mirah@...
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Jun 16, 2005
3:22 pm

... this ... I find it hard to see how any one-off legal case can 'sensationally' help us. It's rather like the Witchfinder General admitting to one mistake,...
etaonsh
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Jun 16, 2005
4:07 pm

... Right. In England it's called sectioning, or certification? ... I agree completely. This verdict does not test the validity of civil ...
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miradevries
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Jun 16, 2005
4:43 pm

... 'Certification' sounds outdated, supplanted by the funny-if-it's-not- you, otherwise callous term 'sectioning' (sounds quite odd to those who first hear it...
etaonsh
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Jun 16, 2005
5:12 pm

... Perhaps in that sense this case could be beneficial, by demonstrating that abuse is not incidental, but the very fabric of psychiatry. I was able to...
mirah@...
miradevries
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Jun 16, 2005
5:20 pm

... same ... inside ... was ... to ... Oh - I thought that you had earlier agreed that the sensationalisation of a single incident had, by definition, made...
etaonsh
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Jun 16, 2005
5:29 pm

... I was referring to the verdict, which I could read because René sent me a link to an English translation. I could not judge whether the film clip made the...
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miradevries
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Jun 16, 2005
5:40 pm

... The German courts up to the supreme court were of the opinion that it was a lawful incarceration. Here is the first good message: on the question of Human...
René Talbot
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Jun 17, 2005
12:41 pm

... Yes, but there had not been a civil commitment. In other words, the incarceration had not been court ordered, even after she reached the age of majority....
mirah@...
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Jun 17, 2005
12:51 pm

... Of course the german courts were of the opinion, that there was a valid civil commitment, because she was incarcerated from her father, her guardian, and...
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Jun 19, 2005
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... Sorry there is a mistake in the above sentence, correct is: The doctors opinion can prevail only if the person has no person who represent her legally. ...
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Jun 19, 2005
10:56 am

Rene Congratulations. Meanwhile, things here get worse. Ron Leifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Jun 17, 2005
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... Thanks! ... I know. We are working in IAAPA ( www.iaapa.ch ) on a strategy to encounter the offence started in the US. I will post our suggestion here on...
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Jun 17, 2005
4:06 pm

How are things getting worse here?...
ozarkheretic
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Jun 17, 2005
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... Illinois forced mass screening is a come back of the worst of eugenics. rEne...
René Talbot
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Jun 17, 2005
8:37 pm

Can you say more about the mass screening you are talking about? Is there an article you can cite to provide more information? I think someone cited an...
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Jun 20, 2005
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... http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=17900 r....
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Jun 20, 2005
2:50 pm

The article you cite is dated July 23, 2004. The article states that the Illinois legislature enacted a law that would provide that "Mental health assessment...
Charles Howard
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Jun 20, 2005
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I recommend to people in the US that you refuse to have children as long as the state massively interferes with parental authority. If birth rates drop...
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Jun 20, 2005
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Your recommendation sounds somewhat Orwellian to me. mirah@... wrote:I recommend to people in the US that you refuse to have children as long as the state...
Charles Howard
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Jun 20, 2005
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i asked james nordlund from chicago to give me an eye witness account of the going on in illinois but he replied that he doesn't know what i'm talking about ...
Hagai Aviel
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Jun 21, 2005
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Send James the web site on mental health evaluations for Illinois school children, the one I provided in my message two or three back. Ask him knows anything...
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Jun 21, 2005
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as i allready wrote here, in my former message i wrote james but meant john -who wrote to me that he lives in chicago-. ... ...
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