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Reason Magazine Article: Prozac Justice   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #861 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Reason Magazine Article: Prozac Justice

Might be interesting to look at the matter from a legal point of view.
Negligence vs. contributory negligence. Do we have enough facts to decide who
should bear the loss? Was Pat negligent in not taking better precautions to
protect her vase? It was not an ordinary vase. Leaving a vase in a place where
a person apparently could brush against it and knock it off a stand could be
viewed as negligence. Did Lee know about the vase before she entered the room?
Had Lee been to visit Pat before? Did Pat warn Lee about the vase? Here is a
good question: Did Pat have the vase insured?



mira <mirah@...> wrote:
You know, libertarians have given a lot of thought to what is freedom,
but what is responsibility? Responsibility is not identical to fault.
Fault is a moral concept, like vice. Responsibility is a social concept,
it's about how people get along with each other. Let me try to
illustrate my point with an example:

Suppose Pat invites Lee to tea. As Lee walks in, s/he is overwhelmed by
the need to sneeze, possibly because Pat doesn't dust very often. While
convulsively sneezing, Lee accidentally knocks down Pat's antique Ming
Dynasty vase.

Who is responsible? Surely Lee could not help sneezing, nor was Lee
trespassing. Furthermore, Pat ought to dust more often, and should not
put the vase where it can be easily knocked over. On the other hand, if
Lee is so sensitive to dust, s/he should wear a face mask, and the vase
had been standing in the same place for 30 years without getting knocked
over (that's why it was so dusy), so Pat could not forsee that Lee would
knock it over.

If I were Lee, I would feel responsible, and offer to pay for the vase,
within the limits of my ability. If I were Pat, I would refuse payment,
considering the broken vase a part of the cost of being Lee's hostess.
But what would I think if I were neither Pat nor Lee, but the state?

Mira





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Interesting article from Reason that touches upon some of Dr. Szasz's ideas: http://www.reason.com/rb/rb042005.shtml The only point of disagreement I have with...
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Rebecca Dresser stated: "We could develop alternative social controls—some sort of system of civil commitment." She's not a very original thinker. We've had...
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... Don't you think the article is mere irony? Something for http://www.onion.com rEne...
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I agree. It's too bad the author didn't mention Szasz in the article. I beleive he never read anything he wrote - and if he did, he didn't understand it or...
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You know, libertarians have given a lot of thought to what is freedom, but what is responsibility? Responsibility is not identical to fault. Fault is a moral...
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The dillema might be solved if we assume Pat had insurance for such a treasure. Pat might come out ahead (like in the movie "Trading Places" where Eddie...
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... But s/he'll lose the no-claim discount, and if s/he had another claim that year, s/he might be refused renewal, or have to pay a surcharge for reinsurance....
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I agree, that's why I said "might be solved". Martin...
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Hi, On Thursday I was too tired to stay up until 2:00 AM to hear Dr. Szasz live, but I was able to hear the archived interview later. See: ...
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Thanks for posting the link!...
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Awsome interview! Martin...
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Might be interesting to look at the matter from a legal point of view. Negligence vs. contributory negligence. Do we have enough facts to decide who should...
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