Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Sectioning or Abduction?
theduketed wrote:
> suggesting that people ought to be
> detained and drugged when there is nothing medically wrong with them
Also when there *is* something medically wrong with them.
In any case the term "medically wrong" does not represent a fact. It is
a value judgment, even in somatic medicine.
Note that if someone, say, has a malignant tumor and refuses to have it
treated, there is no involuntary treatment. How so parity? But let me
hush, for I wouldn't put it past our gov'ts to legislate such
involuntary somatic treatment.
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