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Reply | Forward Message #1682 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Children and Mentally Ill People

>When a child hates school, there is a problem that requires solving. It
>is the responsibility of his parents and teachers, who are charged with
>ensuring his welfare, to seek a solution. The solution cannot be leaving
>him uneducated and illiterate.

Let's rephrase. "The solution cannot be leaving him in the same state as
99% of the world's historical population." Maybe. The solution also cannot be
forcing him into the school, which is the state's answer. Is there a reason
that unschooling seems to work better for many children?

>When adults are ruled incompetent and placed under guardianship their
>ideas are unlikely to enter into the matter. In fact my experience is
>that the judge bases his ruling on criteria much like you propose.

I have no particular complaints with how the decision is made. My complaint
is with the admission of a category of incompetent, which in terms of human
relations means "not entitled to freedom."



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Psychiatrists say that mentally ill people should be coerced because they may harm themselves or others. http://www.fff.org/freedom/0490c.asp "The demand for,...
Alan Forrester
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... I don't speak for Dr. Szasz, but i.m.o. of course it is legitimate to coerce children. Parents make and enforce rules for their children like going to...
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Dec 9, 2007
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... Many parents do make and enforce rules for their children. You haven't explained why forcing children to do things against their will is helping them nor...
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It is a good point to raise, and it does not go away to say before 18 parents are in charge and can coerce but after 18 the adult has complete control. There...
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Dec 10, 2007
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... The state -- never! But other than that I agree with all you say, Randy. And you too, Ron. ... I have a quarrel with compulsory education laws too, but...
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... I gave the example of restraining a toddler who is about to run into the street. ... Your question was about competence, whereas your examples are not. ...
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... Just as you would restrain an adult who is about to run into the street. Doesn't explain the difference between the way you think adults should eb treated...
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In a message dated 12/9/2007 7:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mirah@... writes: Incompetent adults are rightfully protected and coerced like children, ...
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... This can happen whether or not the person is (in)competent. As long as involuntary commitment is with us, nobody is safe. ... I trust neither, but again,...
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In a message dated 12/10/2007 5:01:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mirah@... writes: All right. Maybe that is a valid definition of competence. What do the ...
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Hi! Dr. Leifer, I have one question if you do not mind. Dr. Pies makes an argument that diseases should be based on one's "functioning" and that organic...
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... Let's rephrase. "The solution cannot be leaving him in the same state as 99% of the world's historical population." Maybe. The solution also cannot be...
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In a message dated 12/10/2007 7:14:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mirah@... writes: I have a quarrel with compulsory education laws too, but that is not ...
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... Oh dear, I'm sorry. What is it? Mira...
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In a message dated 12/11/2007 4:54:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mirah@... writes: Oh dear, I'm sorry. What is it? Joshua. ...
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Thurs. 07/12/13 12:51 post #13 previous post = http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1642?threaded=1 ... So, abolish the practice...
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... Nothing wrong with radicalism, but perhaps we should define incompetence. How about: A state or condition of being incapable of surviving without constant ...
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In a message dated 12/17/2007 5:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ... So, abolish the practice of coercion of "incompetents"So, abolish legal category of...
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