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Reply | Forward Message #1669 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Comprehensive listing for history

Hello Darren, and if you are new, welcome. You specifically asked for a
response, indicating that your questions are not merely rhetorical. You
didn't say from whom, so I am taking the liberty of responding. I am
speaking for myself, not for Dr. Szasz nor for the list-owner.

> Do you agree with him that drugs should be legalized?

I agree with Dr. Szasz that drug prohibition is an infringement on
personal liberty.

> What would he say about all the people who die from
> drinking and driving accidents?

What is your real question here? Whether Dr. Szasz approves of laws
against driving after consuming alcohol? I don't know.

If you are looking for the thoughts of someone who opposes such laws, I
recommend you check out libertarian websites, for instance this one:
http://www.libertarian.co.uk/news/nr032.htm . Note that I am not
suggesting such viewpoints confer with Dr. Szasz's.

> I am not sure how I would handle a suicidal
> patient.

What is "a suicidal patient"?

As I man the MeTZelf (www.metzelf.nl) phone line, I occasionally receive
calls from people who tell me they wish to commit suicide. Sometimes
they even ask me to help them. I tell them that they are responsible for
their own lives. If they are looking for someone to take this
responsibility off their shoulders, they can call MHS, but they will pay
for it dearly in loss of liberty and control over themselves. They
cannot expect others (certainly not me) to endorse or facilitate their
wishes.

> In addition, many physiological disorders, in particular, endocrine
> disorders are not diagnosed based on tissue damage; instead, they are
> based on high and lows, that is, statistical norms. Further,
> migraines cannot always be detected via EEG's, but the person still
> SUFFERS (which suffices for a disease in the view of Ron Pies).

Does Ron Pies propose that psychiatry's unscientific methods are
justified because much of the theory behind somatic medicine is sloppy too?

Dr. Szasz's wonderfully witty aphorism applies here: "Two wrongs don't
make a right, but they make a good excuse." You can read more of those
pearls in his books The Second Sin, The Untamed Tongue, and Words to the
Wise.

Are you satisfied with these answers Darren?

Regards,
Mira



Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:32 pm

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I would like to start a detailed list of all recorded (audio and visual) interviews of Thomas Szasz for historical purposes. I have only heard a few of his...
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Nov 13, 2007
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... That is an excellent idea. Have you been in contact about this with Jeff Schaler who is his webmaster? Perhaps with your help he could incorporate videos...
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Nov 13, 2007
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... One interview ist at the end of the film "the verdict of the Foucualt Tribunal": http://www.foucault.de/ft_video_stream.htm René Talbot [Non-text portions...
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Pies, M.D., is a clinical professor of psychiatry at Tufts University School of Medicine. A remarkable quote recently appeared in the Boston Globe regarding a...
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... How can anything valid be determined about a person's behavior while he's drunk? ... They should have compared the physicians' diagnoses to those made by...
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Nov 16, 2007
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Thanks Rene - I was not aware of that video. Aside from the Cato event of a few years ago, I didn't think there was very much more available (not free of...
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That is a great idea! Have you reviewed his debates via debatesdebates. Do you agree with him that drugs should be legalized? What would he say about all the...
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... In my opinion, they are very informative, and often (very) amusing too. ... Self-ownership requires such (though Szasz would, I believe, want to refrain...
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Nov 14, 2007
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Hello Darren, and if you are new, welcome. You specifically asked for a response, indicating that your questions are not merely rhetorical. You didn't say from...
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... You are not capable of preventing suicide, so you cannot "let him or her die". M....
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From: Martin Yes Mirah, That's true. And if the "State" physically restrains and imprisons the "suicidal" person they have succeeded in killing that person...
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Re: Recorded interviews with Thomas Szasz There is a film from the National Film Board of Canada called "The Myths of Mental Illness"(1988), which I have seen...
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where are the links? can you post them again pleaseHagai Aviel/ChairpersonIsraeli Association Against Psychiatric Assaultwww.iaapa.org.ilfor 'International...
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In a message dated 11/19/2007 3:41:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, titaniummdk@... writes: Getting to current events, since I'm talking about drugs,...
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