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Thinking changes the brain structure?   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #1544 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Thinking changes the brain structure?

Alan Forrester said:
Likewise, it may be the case that a person with bad thoughts has a
different pattern of links between neurons or that the neurons fire
differently or whatever.

What do we mean by "bad thoughts"? Are these thoughts self conversation
that others disapprove of? If that is the case, it's nothing more than a
moral judgement, and as we know attitudes and morality change with fashion
and culture.
To say that "bad thoughts" are the result of neurons is what Szasz finds
repugnant - it dehumanizes human thought and action. A person has "bad
thoughts" or good thoughts (whatever they are) not brains or neurons.
Martin



>From: Alan Forrester <alan_forrester2@...>
>Reply-To: thomasszaszdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
>To: thomasszaszdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Thinking changes the brain structure?
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:33:05 +0000 (GMT)
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>--- ozarkheretic <ozarkheretic@...> wrote:
>
> > Does this idea mean that if a person thinks "bad thoughts", his brain
> > is changed? Does this notion support the idea of "mental illness"?
>
>The only way to change a book containing good ideas into one containing bad
>ideas is to physically change the pattern of ink on its pages so that it
>contains different words. However, a bad book is not a set of typographical
>errors.
>
>Likewise, it may be the case that a person with bad thoughts has a
>different pattern of links between neurons or that the neurons fire
>differently or whatever. But this is not the same as that person having a
>brain illness, anymore than Mein Kampf was just an unfortunate accident
>with a printing press.
>
>Alan
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Does this idea mean that if a person thinks "bad thoughts", his brain is changed? Does this notion support the idea of "mental illness"? Do you believe that a...
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Alan Forrester said: Likewise, it may be the case that a person with bad thoughts has a different pattern of links between neurons or that the neurons fire ...
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... Moral judgements made by people change with morality and culture. However, the only people who think that morality itself changes from one culture to ...
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Szasz would agree with many of your premises. Whether I am a moral relativist or not has nothing to do with whether I approve of involuntary commitment. I...
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What "brain structure" is supposed to be changed by "thinking"? Are there different kinds of "thinking"? When sensory data enter the brain, we would say the...
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In a message dated 2/1/2007 6:58:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, titaniummdk@... writes: Whether I am a moral relativist or not has nothing to do with...
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