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Reply | Forward Message #1513 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Re: scope of the group

mmma_rk wrote:

> AIDS is
> a conceptually legitimate disease

It depends on how you define disease. Szasz chooses Virchow's definition
as physical lesion, in which case aids would be conceptually legitimate.
Mary Boyle defines disease as a consistent pattern of signs and
symptoms. That definition definitely disqualifies aids.

Mira



Wed Sep 6, 2006 3:44 pm

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hi all, well, i thought it was about time that something like this existed, so here it is. who knows what it will evolve into. my personal hope is that the...
stvn
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Jun 7, 2004
9:58 pm

It can't hurt to try! I don't know if you have hosted a group before, but I have a suggestion: ruthlessly moderate the group. If you don't the group will soon...
Nicolas Martin
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Jun 8, 2004
1:20 am

hi Nicolas, i have to admit i have not hosted a group before, or done anything of this sort, so cheers for the advice. how did you locate the group anyway? my...
stvn
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Jun 8, 2004
2:12 pm

... You didn't ask me, but here's a suggestion anyway. Perhaps the webmaster of the Szasz site would be willing to make a link (or is there one already?). Mira...
mira
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Jun 8, 2004
2:19 pm

hi Mira, ive asked Jeffrey if he can help regarding the Szasz site, just waiting to hear back... although this group is focussed on Szasz, i freely admit i am ...
stvn
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Jun 8, 2004
2:50 pm

I'll be happy to start the ball rolling. This is my own position on the question of, what is mental illness (mi)? Mi can mean anything to anybody. Therefore...
mira
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Jun 8, 2004
3:31 pm

hey Mira, yeah, thats a pretty cool starting point i think. one thing i have noticed is that it seems trendy for psychologists to riducule DSM, but then offer...
stvn
sm20boy
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Jun 8, 2004
9:39 pm

... Likewise I notice that many people criticize psychiatry only to promote their own brand of quackery in its stead. Scientology is a famous example. Also...
mira
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Jun 8, 2004
11:03 pm

Many thanks. Keep me posted. Today I received ONE (1) copy of FIF, so the rest will no doubt be shipped soon. Tom...
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Jun 9, 2004
12:36 am

Steven, what do you mean by "narrow"? Do you want to stick to Dr. Szasz's views on psychiatry? I consider him the preemminent living libertarian intellectual,...
Nicolas Martin
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Jun 9, 2004
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... I assume the word "harm" or "violation" has been omitted here. Please allow me to point out that the atrocities which we associate with WWII were also...
mira
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7:52 am

Mira, thanks for catching my editing faux pas, and I agree with you about the medical pretext for the Final Solution. Is it possible that you could post your...
Nicolas Martin
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Jun 9, 2004
1:51 pm

... We all make those. I had one in the same message. ... If the list-owner approves. Better yet, everybody is welcome to join ...
mira
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Jun 9, 2004
2:39 pm

anyone is very welcome to put up links, and post files. i will virus check files etc....
stvn
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Jun 9, 2004
2:46 pm

to post a file, send it to me (moderator) at sm20boy@..., and i will post it up....
stvn
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Jun 9, 2004
2:49 pm

Or, if the file is already available on the web, the group member can quickly create link to it....
Nicolas Martin
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Jun 9, 2004
3:28 pm

although my primary interest and background is a psychiatric one, i would be more than happy for the board to discuss anything Szasz related. maybe 'narrow'...
stvn
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Jun 9, 2004
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... I think that Szasz is right that the real issue is state interference in ... everything. Psychiatry is only one of many frauds inside as well as outside of...
mira
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i thought about placing this group in the 'politics' section... Szasz admits state intervention is needed occasionally, so which areas do you think require the...
stvn
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Jun 9, 2004
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... When? Not in medicine. Mira...
mira
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In dealing with real public health emergencies.. These would be cases of serious contagions whose ready transmission is not preventable by those potentially...
Nicolas Martin
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Jun 9, 2004
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... In that case the state would not be interfering with the lives of private citizens but with its own property and services. Interference with itself is not...
mira
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Mon. 06/09/05 (originally Thurs. 06/08/17 13:24) post #1 I'm very happy that you've discovered www.aliveandwell.org, Mira, and I agree with you: HIV=AIDS=DEATH...
mmma_rk
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Sep 5, 2006
4:42 pm

... Brilliant aphorism! ... There is a difference here. Mental illness cannot exist by definition, just as there can be no 6-foot midgets. Mira...
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Tues. 06/09/05 23:29 EDT post #2 ... Yes, I see what you mean...mental illness is a sick joke: But how can a joke be "sick"? Only in a metaphorical sense; and...
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... It depends on how you define disease. Szasz chooses Virchow's definition as physical lesion, in which case aids would be conceptually legitimate. Mary...
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