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Reply | Forward Message #1479 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Re: Freedom: the individual vs. the group

--- ozarkheretic <ozarkheretic@...> wrote:

> I am not getting your point. Tell me how you want to change the
> community or state that you live in. What do you say to people?
> How do you propose to change traditional American society into a
> state of anarchy?

My point was that it is possible to imagine that a political system without
a state could be created and made to work. One problem is that people don't
want a society without a state because they don't think ti could work for
various reasons. They all think there is something the government can do
that an institution that is funded by contractual subscription rather than
taxation could not. Since states are funded by taxation a person who lives
in a particular country can't refuse to financially support government
policy without moving somewhere else except at elections and even then the
chances are slim. A government is just a group of people who are no less
fallible than other people. So they make mistakes, like the current
psychiatric system and drug prohibition. Due to taxation governments do not
have anywhere near as big an incentive to change their policies, correct
their mistakes and to innovate as do companies. We should want at least as
muchb accountability from the people who protect us from crime as we do
from those who provide books or scented candles, not less as is currently
the case.

Alan Forrester
http://www.settingtheworldtorights.com/



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The discussion we have been having about the legalization of drugs, or more correctly, as Szasz has pointed out, the "re-legalization" of drugs has made me...
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In a message dated 6/25/2006 10:03:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ozarkheretic@... writes: People band together to help themselves survive and to create ...
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What you are proposing is not feasible. Your notion that you will accept and obey the laws you approve of and ignore or disregard the laws you do not approve...
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Jun 30, 2006
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... If it happened instantaneously it would be dangerous. But let's assume we take it slowly and sensibly and that we are prepared to undo moves that prove to...
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Alan, I am not getting your point. Tell me how you want to change the community or state that you live in. What do you say to people? How do you propose to...
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Jun 30, 2006
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... My point was that it is possible to imagine that a political system without a state could be created and made to work. One problem is that people don't ...
Alan Forrester
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Jul 2, 2006
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Who enforces the "contractual relations"? Does there not have to be a state to enforce contractual relations? You might call it something else, but whatever...
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... But if it were true that there has to be a single power to preserve peace, you'd have to favour a single state for the entire world, wouldn't you? I think...
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... Interesting point - the idea of having one authority over the entire world. The creation of the League of Nations and the United Nations was based on that...
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In a message dated 6/30/2006 8:48:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ozarkheretic@... writes: Your notion that you will accept and obey the laws you approve...
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Pat, I am not a political science expert, but it seems to me that you are simply ignoring the fact that the American state is a continuation of the America...
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In a message dated 7/1/2006 9:07:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ozarkheretic@... writes: I am not a political science expert, but it seems to me that...
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In a message dated 7/4/2006 4:00:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ozarkheretic@... writes: Who enforces the "contractual relations"? Does there not have to...
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To whom are you attributing the statement you quoted: "for every decision, there exists an enforcer"? As for the existence of an "enforcer who enforces every...
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... You argued, from the true observation that we like arbitrations to ... solve such problems. That doesn't follow. ... necessity of having arbitrations...
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In a message dated 7/7/2006 1:49:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ... necessity of having arbitrations enforced. Yes, I believe that there must be a way to...
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