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Szasz's new book: "My Madness Saved Me"   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #1210 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Re: Szasz's new book: "My Madness Saved Me"

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:54:00 AM Central Standard Time,
ozarkheretic@... writes:
Has the study of genetics ever been at your expense? What does "at
my [Mira's] expense" mean? Has the study of genetics ever been at
the expense of your liberty? What does that mean? How has the
study of genetics ever been at the expense of some other person's
liberty, if you believe it has?
Funded by taxpayer money. On the latter question, do you really need to ask
it? How about Dr. Mengler, for a start?

>I believe there is private funding for research on intelligence. Do
you object to public funding for research on cancer and other
>diseases?

I can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but I do.

>Employers use intelligence tests to help in evaluating job
applicants. Employers buy all kinds of tests to help choose
>applicants who are more likely to do a job well. But anti-testing
critics have tried to stop such testing. Do employers have a right
>to try to figure out which employees will be better employees?
Don't some jobs involve complex, abstract thinking? Is everybody
>equal in the ability to do every job?

I think employers have every right to try to do this. As a manager, I can
say that any approach I've used has failed, though. If a job depends on
creativity and intelligence, I doubt any adequate test can be devised. For more
specific tasks, I believe such tests can be created, but might not have been. I
will say that tests with questions like "Which of the following describes your
behavior at a party?" are simply absurd and useless.

>Some taxpayers realize that higher education requires higher
ability. Why should taxpayers pay to educate students in
>institutions of higher education if the students do not have the
ability to learn at higher levels?

They shouldn't, but its a non-sequitor. They shouldn't pay to educate other
students either.


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Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:50 am

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I have bought the book, but I have not gotten around to reading it except I did read the appendix about "The Mad Genius Problem". In the discussion about...
ozarkheretic
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Mar 27, 2006
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... I agree. The phenomenon is unique to organisms with human genes. ... If it is. And if it isn't? What is madness? Who is mad? Who decides what is madness...
Mira
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Mar 27, 2006
1:18 pm

Mira, there is much to respond to in your message. Do not have enough time at the moment, but will make a few comments. If you want to play the "dumb ass"...
ozarkheretic
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Mar 27, 2006
4:37 pm

... Intelligent, beautiful, charming, sweet, and rich. However, most people don't agree with me... ... I do not object to either the study of rocket science...
Mira
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Mar 27, 2006
5:18 pm

Why do you describge yourself as "intelligent"? What is your definition of intelligent? Has the study of genetics ever been at your expense? What does "at my...
ozarkheretic
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Mar 27, 2006
5:53 pm

You are so right in your observations Mira, genius is always a product of the Zeitgeist. How long will it take for history to recognize Szasz or Duesberg?...
Martin Kessler
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Mar 28, 2006
2:03 am

Martin, Do you know anyone who thinks the word "genius" has a precise meaning? Doesn't it simply mean that in the estimation of the speaker the person called...
ozarkheretic
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Mar 28, 2006
3:39 pm

Einstein was probably recognized as a genius because of what was going on in theoretical physics at the time his revelations were precient. Duesberg like...
Martin Kessler
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Mar 28, 2006
9:22 pm

... My physicist son says that there were many physicists who contributed no less to the field than Einstein, and that Einstein's name became a household word...
Mira
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Mar 28, 2006
9:35 pm

I agree - you also have to "look" like a genius. Einstein fulfilled that requirement in spades - he created (if that is correct) a new fashion style as well....
Martin Kessler
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Mar 29, 2006
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Anyone who might be interested in understanding more about Kessler's comments about Duesberg and his "iconclastic" view of AIDS should look at "Errors in Celia...
ozarkheretic
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Apr 6, 2006
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Just type "Errors in Celia Farber's March 2006 Article in Harper's Magazine" into the search window and you will find the article. The authors of the article...
ozarkheretic
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Apr 6, 2006
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... It is certainly true that our genes contain a lot of objective knowledge that affects our interpretation of the world around us. For example, information...
Alan Forrester
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Mar 27, 2006
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Alan, would you mind boiling your message down a little? Give us the main points? ... and ... modern ... may ... may ... Szasz ... is ... that ... of...
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In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:54:00 AM Central Standard Time, ozarkheretic@... writes: Has the study of genetics ever been at your expense? What does...
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