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Szasz's new book: "My Madness Saved Me"   Message List  
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Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] Szasz's new book: "My Madness Saved Me"

ozarkheretic wrote:

> I would point out that "manic depression" may very well be
> hereditary.

I agree. The phenomenon is unique to organisms with human genes.

> However, if md is a personality trait maybe it is a trait or
> behavioral tendency that is inherited.

If it is. And if it isn't? What is madness? Who is mad? Who decides what
is madness and what isn't?

> For some reason Szasz seems to be very suspicious of "genetics".

I don't know about Szasz, but I myself am quite suspicious of
"genetics". After the mass murder of 400,000 psychiatric patients,
6,000,000 Jews, and I don't know how many Roma, Sinti, homosexuals,
people with dark skins, and others in the name of genetic purity, I have
become suspicious.

> Galton's research on "genius" really led to the research on
> "intelligence".

Please define intelligence. Why do we need this research?

> And actually Modern research has shown that "intelligence" is a
> characteristic or trait that is primarily produced by heredity or
> genetics.

Really? How has Modern research shown that?

> People do not become intelligent because of the environments they
> grow up in.
> They are intelligent
> because of DNA that is transmitted to them by their parents.

Then we can stop bothering to educate them?

> A genius was a person who had made some
> remarkable discovery in science.

Who decides which discovery is remarkable? Egaz Moniz, for instance,
received a Nobel prize for "discovering" (inventing) lobotomy. Is he a
genius?

> having a high IQ does not make a person a genius.

What is IQ? How is it measured?

The point is that words like madness and genius are not delineable
facts. They are attributions and value judgments. You can be
inconspicuous. You can be conspicuous. In the second case, people who
admire you will call you a genius. People who don't will call you mad.
These concepts are like beauty -- in the eye of the beholder.

Mira








Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:18 pm

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I have bought the book, but I have not gotten around to reading it except I did read the appendix about "The Mad Genius Problem". In the discussion about...
ozarkheretic
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Mar 27, 2006
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... I agree. The phenomenon is unique to organisms with human genes. ... If it is. And if it isn't? What is madness? Who is mad? Who decides what is madness...
Mira
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Mar 27, 2006
1:18 pm

Mira, there is much to respond to in your message. Do not have enough time at the moment, but will make a few comments. If you want to play the "dumb ass"...
ozarkheretic
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Mar 27, 2006
4:37 pm

... Intelligent, beautiful, charming, sweet, and rich. However, most people don't agree with me... ... I do not object to either the study of rocket science...
Mira
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5:18 pm

Why do you describge yourself as "intelligent"? What is your definition of intelligent? Has the study of genetics ever been at your expense? What does "at my...
ozarkheretic
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Mar 27, 2006
5:53 pm

You are so right in your observations Mira, genius is always a product of the Zeitgeist. How long will it take for history to recognize Szasz or Duesberg?...
Martin Kessler
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Martin, Do you know anyone who thinks the word "genius" has a precise meaning? Doesn't it simply mean that in the estimation of the speaker the person called...
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Mar 28, 2006
3:39 pm

Einstein was probably recognized as a genius because of what was going on in theoretical physics at the time his revelations were precient. Duesberg like...
Martin Kessler
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Mar 28, 2006
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... My physicist son says that there were many physicists who contributed no less to the field than Einstein, and that Einstein's name became a household word...
Mira
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Mar 28, 2006
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I agree - you also have to "look" like a genius. Einstein fulfilled that requirement in spades - he created (if that is correct) a new fashion style as well....
Martin Kessler
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Anyone who might be interested in understanding more about Kessler's comments about Duesberg and his "iconclastic" view of AIDS should look at "Errors in Celia...
ozarkheretic
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Just type "Errors in Celia Farber's March 2006 Article in Harper's Magazine" into the search window and you will find the article. The authors of the article...
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Apr 6, 2006
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... It is certainly true that our genes contain a lot of objective knowledge that affects our interpretation of the world around us. For example, information...
Alan Forrester
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Alan, would you mind boiling your message down a little? Give us the main points? ... and ... modern ... may ... may ... Szasz ... is ... that ... of...
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In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:54:00 AM Central Standard Time, ozarkheretic@... writes: Has the study of genetics ever been at your expense? What does...
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