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God told him to do it, and he said 'Yeah, okay.'   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #1019 of 1997 |
Re: [ThomasSzaszDiscussion] God told him to do it, and he said 'Yeah, okay.'

--- mirah@... wrote:

> > I think the answer to all these
> > three questions is obviously no unless you already had a set of moral
> > ideas consistent with killing people with a boning knife.
>
> This does not explain why seemingly normal people suddenly change their
> behavior, for instance, when they are drunk.

I'm not entirely sure how we got to man on a knife rampage to alcohol, but
okay I'll bite. Jeffrey Schaler wrote an excelent book called 'Addiction is
a choice' in which he explains research on alcohol and other drugs. One of
the experiments he describes went a bit like this. The researchers made up
some drinks that tasted as one would normally expect alcoholic drinks to
taste, but which did not actually contain any alcohol. They also made up a
bunch of drinks that didn't taste as one would normally expect alcoholic
drinks to taste but which did in fact contain alcohol. Then they gave the
drinks to alcoholics and social drinkers, both of whom drank more of the
drinks that 'tasted alcoholic'.

I think it goes a bit like this. A person's sensations can be altered by
alcohol and he may interpret those sensations in such a way that he acts
strangely. Moreover, when a person drinks a liquid that he thinks is
alcohol he might act differently from normal because he expects to behave
differently from normal. A person who is deemed to be a party animal might
act boisterously, an alcoholic might drink a lot and so on.

> I.m.o. people who have murdered should be locked up to protect the
> public. Why they did it is totally beside the point. All speculation
> about it is useless, because we can never be certain about someone's
> reasons anyway.

Yes.

Alan



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A Turkish man named Ismail Dogan says that God (and a bird and a dog) told him to kill English people. So naturally he went around stabbing people with a...
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... Probably not, because I'm too much of a coward. Like Yonah, I would try to run away. But if He told me to do something I feel capable of, I would. ... It...
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... I'm not entirely sure how we got to man on a knife rampage to alcohol, but okay I'll bite. Jeffrey Schaler wrote an excelent book called 'Addiction is a...
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... I read about this experiment in Stanton Peele's book (see: http://www.metzelf.info/Book%20Reviews/Diseasing.html) What the researchers set out to...
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... The disease theory says that a form of complex behaviour, to whit, drinking more alcohol, is due to the chemical effects of alcohol, but it is not. I think...
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... You are saying that alcohol (in quantity) affects a person's walk, but not his thoughts or feelings. What about Sodium Pentothal? Mira...
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... Alcohol can affect a person's ability to think. He can also interpret it as causing certain thoughts, but he can change that interpretation. For example,...
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Of course, it matters why a person kills another person. Was the killing an act of self-defense? The facts are very important. There are degrees of murder....
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... Where did you read that? Mira...
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Maybe God will the man to jump off a bridge. ... dog) told ... people ... xml=/news/2005/10/05/ndogan05.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/05/ixhome.html ... kill a ... ...
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Maybe the Judge will tell the man that God told the Judge the man should be thrown off a bridge. ... ...
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From: Martin Kessler Isn't it funny (or strange) that when a person makes a claim that God or the devil or a "still small voice" told them to do something...
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Why would someone say the devil told him to do it, when he could say God told him to do it? Is there an advantage to ever saying the devil said to do it? I...
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... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1792416.stm A couple in Germany, Daniel and Manuela Ruder, murdered somebody by stabbing and battering him and then...
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In some instances people claim God told them to do it when a good or approved act is done as opposed to when the Devil made them do it when a bad or...
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... Do you know any such person personally? Or are you assuming this? Mira...
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No, I don't know anyone personally - all I know about is what I read in the news. Of course - in this discourse - it's probably an assumption based on what I ...
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