Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
thomasszaszdiscussion · the Thomas Szasz discussion group
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Real people. Real stories. See how Yahoo! Groups impacts members worldwide.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
God told him to do it, and he said 'Yeah, okay.'   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #1011 of 1997 |
A Turkish man named Ismail Dogan says that God (and a bird and a dog) told
him to kill English people. So naturally he went around stabbing people
with a boning knife:

http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/05/ndogan05\
.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/05/ixhome.html


As explanations go, this one sucks. Suppose that God told you to kill a
bunch of people with a boning knife, would you do it? If you heard a voice
telling you to kill people with a boning knife, would you do it? If you
just had a sudden feeling that you wanted to kill people with a boning
knife, would you do it? I think the answer to all these three questions is
obviously no unless you already had a set of moral ideas consistent with
killing people with a boning knife. Indeed, Mr Dogan said he was happy with
his stabbing spree and would do it again if he had the opportunity.

Nevertheless the court accepted his plea of manslaughter on the grounds of
diminished responsibility.

Alan Forrester
http://www.settingtheworldtorights.com/



___________________________________________________________
How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday
snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com



Wed Oct 5, 2005 1:56 am

alan_forrester2
Online Now Online Now
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #1011 of 1997 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

A Turkish man named Ismail Dogan says that God (and a bird and a dog) told him to kill English people. So naturally he went around stabbing people with a...
Alan Forrester
alan_forrester2
Online Now Send Email
Oct 5, 2005
1:56 am

... Probably not, because I'm too much of a coward. Like Yonah, I would try to run away. But if He told me to do something I feel capable of, I would. ... It...
mirah@...
miradevries
Offline Send Email
Oct 5, 2005
5:45 pm

... I'm not entirely sure how we got to man on a knife rampage to alcohol, but okay I'll bite. Jeffrey Schaler wrote an excelent book called 'Addiction is a...
Alan Forrester
alan_forrester2
Online Now Send Email
Oct 6, 2005
1:06 am

... I read about this experiment in Stanton Peele's book (see: http://www.metzelf.info/Book%20Reviews/Diseasing.html) What the researchers set out to...
mirah@...
miradevries
Offline Send Email
Oct 6, 2005
10:46 am

... The disease theory says that a form of complex behaviour, to whit, drinking more alcohol, is due to the chemical effects of alcohol, but it is not. I think...
Alan Forrester
alan_forrester2
Online Now Send Email
Oct 6, 2005
11:38 am

... You are saying that alcohol (in quantity) affects a person's walk, but not his thoughts or feelings. What about Sodium Pentothal? Mira...
mirah@...
miradevries
Offline Send Email
Oct 6, 2005
12:14 pm

... Alcohol can affect a person's ability to think. He can also interpret it as causing certain thoughts, but he can change that interpretation. For example,...
Alan Forrester
alan_forrester2
Online Now Send Email
Oct 6, 2005
1:29 pm

Of course, it matters why a person kills another person. Was the killing an act of self-defense? The facts are very important. There are degrees of murder....
Charles Howard
ozarkheretic
Offline Send Email
Oct 6, 2005
2:56 pm

... Where did you read that? Mira...
mirah@...
miradevries
Offline Send Email
Oct 6, 2005
3:10 pm

Maybe God will the man to jump off a bridge. ... dog) told ... people ... xml=/news/2005/10/05/ndogan05.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/05/ixhome.html ... kill a ... ...
ozarkheretic
Offline Send Email
Oct 6, 2005
3:10 pm

Maybe the Judge will tell the man that God told the Judge the man should be thrown off a bridge. ... ...
ozarkheretic
Offline Send Email
Oct 6, 2005
3:13 pm

From: Martin Kessler Isn't it funny (or strange) that when a person makes a claim that God or the devil or a "still small voice" told them to do something...
Martin Kessler
titaniummdk
Offline Send Email
Oct 7, 2005
10:59 pm

Why would someone say the devil told him to do it, when he could say God told him to do it? Is there an advantage to ever saying the devil said to do it? I...
ozarkheretic
Offline Send Email
Oct 8, 2005
1:34 am

... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1792416.stm A couple in Germany, Daniel and Manuela Ruder, murdered somebody by stabbing and battering him and then...
Alan Forrester
alan_forrester2
Online Now Send Email
Oct 8, 2005
1:50 am

In some instances people claim God told them to do it when a good or approved act is done as opposed to when the Devil made them do it when a bad or...
Martin Kessler
titaniummdk
Offline Send Email
Oct 10, 2005
4:35 pm

... Do you know any such person personally? Or are you assuming this? Mira...
mirah@...
miradevries
Offline Send Email
Oct 10, 2005
4:56 pm

No, I don't know anyone personally - all I know about is what I read in the news. Of course - in this discourse - it's probably an assumption based on what I ...
Martin Kessler
titaniummdk
Offline Send Email
Oct 12, 2005
10:42 am
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help