Suicide chat rooms to be outlawed
New measures to make it a criminal offence to use the internet to
counsel or incite suicide have been introduced to federal parliament.
The legislation includes a maximum penalty of $110,000 for an
individual.

"Currently, there are a range of easily accessible internet sites and
internet chat rooms that provide explicit instructions on methods of
committing suicide and, in the case of internet chat rooms, sometimes
contain actual discussions where one person or even a group of
persons urge another to commit suicide," Mr Slipper said.

"Studies have shown that in some cases such internet chat room
discussions have led to a person attempting suicide, sometimes
successfully."

"The proposed offences reflect the harm that can be done by those who
use the Internet with destructive intent and they will assist in
preventing the use of the internet in this way to encourage
vulnerable individuals to take their own lives."
http://au.news.yahoo.com/040804/2/q6wv.html

I hope you stay around Mark, you have a family that you can talk too, thats
really something. I would like to be your friend, I think alot of us would.
Please dont miss out on your life, there is hope, even if today you can't see.

sb_60441 <sb_60441@...> wrote:Thanks for trying to help.  I don't know
what I'm going to do.  I
talked with my parents for a long time this weekend about making a
change in my life.  But I still can't stop feeling like it doesn't
matter what I do.  I'm never going to completely get better and life
will go on no matter what I choose.  I think that I have failed.
What's one less in a world that is already overpopulated.  I really
think that I'm worth more dead than alive in the long run.
This "sickness" is keeping me from getting close with anyone so I
feel I will be lonely the rest of my life.  So why drag it out.

Mark


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You're right, there's no way to get completely better.  Only survival, fighting
for what you want, pushing forward who you are into the world - there will never
be another "you" - you are unique and valuable for your uniqueness, period! 
This idea has helped me, and I share it because I too am faced with the dark
undercurrents of pain almost every day.  I'm 28, suffering from depression
that's been plaguing me since I was 13.  Here's all I know:  I want to be a
poet, a writer - to me that's the only thing that keeps me alive, in the
struggle, able to face the difficulty of this life.  You've got to find that
"one thing you care passionately about" and go after it with a vengence.  My
mistake has been living for other people and not myself.  I lost my ability to
feel "whole" and true.  Ask yourself, what is that one thing, the one glimmer in
the night, the deepest, faintest - most constant star of need shining in your
heart, in your soul.  You must have some kind of music yearning to be heard. 
Don't die with it in you.  Don't let it drown in the waters of doubt and pain,
depression and despair.  These whirlwinds have their weaknesses too.  They
challenge us to be warriors, and warriors we must be, desperate, hungry,
unwilling to "stay down."  Go after what you want.  Live like nothing else
matters.
- Scott


-------------- Original message --------------
Thanks for trying to help. I don't know what I'm going to do. I
talked with my parents for a long time this weekend about making a
change in my life. But I still can't stop feeling like it doesn't
matter what I do. I'm never going to completely get better and life
will go on no matter what I choose. I think that I have failed.
What's one less in a world that is already overpopulated. I really
think that I'm worth more dead than alive in the long run.
This "sickness" is keeping me from getting close with anyone so I
feel I will be lonely the rest of my life. So why drag it out.

Mark


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Thanks for trying to help.  I don't know what I'm going to do.  I
talked with my parents for a long time this weekend about making a
change in my life.  But I still can't stop feeling like it doesn't
matter what I do.  I'm never going to completely get better and life
will go on no matter what I choose.  I think that I have failed.
What's one less in a world that is already overpopulated.  I really
think that I'm worth more dead than alive in the long run.
This "sickness" is keeping me from getting close with anyone so I
feel I will be lonely the rest of my life.  So why drag it out.

Mark

hello group...
  I got a book called skin games by : Caroline Kettlewell
I  got it from barnes and noble and i think that It would help some
of all.. it didnt really help me like i wanted it to but it showed
me some one elses perspective and i can look from a diffrent view of
someone who has gone threw it and she has just finished and she went
through it for 20 years.. she finally stopped at 28 she is now like
30 or something and lives in Virginia with a family..
She is happy and she has stopped she has wanted to but she hasnt..
YAY!!
haha!
WELL READ IT!
*darci!

you feel overwhelmed ,yes by all of the shit in your
life but I too am like that I know where you stand and
I know how it feels to be alone and you don't want
that and I also know how it feels to have someone
close to you die and I don't think you would want your
family or any one that loves you to feel that way and
it probly seems that no one cares or no one loves you
but let truth be told THEIR ARE people that LOVE YOU
so don't let them down and don't let your self down
don't let suicide make another statistic in this crazy
FUCKED UP WORLD.
* Jenna
--- sb_60441 <sb_60441@...> wrote:

> No offence to anyone at this site but I really wish
> I wasn't posting
> here.  But it seems that I have come back here.  It
> has been a long
> time since I have been at this point but this time
> it finally dawned
> on me that I will never get better.  I'm not going
> to the doctor, I'm
> not getting back on meds, I'm just going to call it
> good.  I don't
> know what makes me happy, I don't know what I want
> out of life.  I
> only feel at peace on a friday night when I realize
> that I have no
> commitments (personal or work) when I wake up in the
> morning.  I'm
> tired of working.  I just want to do nothing.  I
> just want to be
> alone.  I just want to stop my mind from racing.  I
> just want to
> sleep.  I want to live at my own pace not at a pace
> dictated by my
> job or anything else.  I don't know if I want to go
> on living.
>
> Mark
>
>


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No offence to anyone at this site but I really wish I wasn't posting
here.  But it seems that I have come back here.  It has been a long
time since I have been at this point but this time it finally dawned
on me that I will never get better.  I'm not going to the doctor, I'm
not getting back on meds, I'm just going to call it good.  I don't
know what makes me happy, I don't know what I want out of life.  I
only feel at peace on a friday night when I realize that I have no
commitments (personal or work) when I wake up in the morning.  I'm
tired of working.  I just want to do nothing.  I just want to be
alone.  I just want to stop my mind from racing.  I just want to
sleep.  I want to live at my own pace not at a pace dictated by my
job or anything else.  I don't know if I want to go on living.

Mark

DONT DO IT, I have often tried also and still do so I
can't really say that without being hypacritical but i
know I will miss you  a lot.
Jenna
--- William Day <greasemonkeyredneck@...> wrote:
> I came here tonight looking for someone to talk to.
> I feel it'd be
> easier on my family if I just was out of everyone's
> way. I feel like
> noone wants or needs me. The last two hours of
> trying to find someone
> here to talk to is further proof of that. There are
> people online but
> noone will respond to IMs. The gun is loaded. I
> don't know if I'll
> talk to you all again or not. If not, bless you all.
> I hope you get
> what you want out of this fucked up world.
>
>
>
> THE POOR WHITE TRASH THAT NOONE WANTS
>
>
>


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I am interested in buying the book Final Exit(3rd) which will be my
first on this subject.

I read the reviews on amazon and many pointed out major flaws like
imcompleteness,unavailability of the drugs listed etc.

If anyone has read this book pls post a review.

c.c

Thanks!!!!
*darci!

William Day <greasemonkeyredneck@...> wrote:
First of all Darci, I'd like to apologize to you and all others
who've responded so well to me. I have been a little less than timely
about responses. You see, most of my computer time is on nights like
these when I'm up at two in the morning and can't sleep.

I'd like to address your case in particular. You are fifteen. You
have a lot of living to do yet. I know. I have kids as old as you. I
on the other hand have lived hard and fast. Even at twenty-nine, I've
lived a full life. You asked how you should deal with a boy who broke
up with you. Good riddance I say. If he was worth keeping, he'd still
be there with you. Take an inventory and put YOU first. If you can't
do that then noone can love you. I spent YEARS trying to make things
work with illfitted mates. It was after the breakup of my first
marriage when I wasn't even worried about no woman when I FINALLY
found the love of my life. Give it time. I can't tell you it's easy.
As a matter of fact, I can almost guarantee that things WILL get
rougher in life. What I can absolutely PROMISE though is that when
you're a little older and look down into the eyes of your children
while trying to explain why God made the sky blue, you will know then
what it's all about.

As for my reasons for my bad decisions, it's hard to explain. Since
thirteen years of age I've worked no less than twelve hours a day.
Now since October of last year I've been confined to a wheelchair and
can't work. I feel worthless not being able to take proper care of my
wife and kids. My family is my world, my soul, and my light. I feel
so much of a burden not being able to even dress myself sometimes.
I'm a worker, always have been. Now I'm a cripple.

I've come to realize a few things though. I'm only crippled when I
let my mind wander into that realm. I will work again one day. I've
just got to learn a new trade. Also, I've turned to another love of
my life. Ironically, it's guns. I'm a military surplus rifle
collector. I plan on turning this hobby into a business one day when
I get my gunsmith license. This is the goal I've set myself. That's
what's keeping me level these days. I have a Yahoo group named Guns-
and-Rights. That was taking some of my time. It appears to have went
dead though. So, if anyone cares about politics and protecting our
Constitutional rights, let me know.

Also Darci, I remembered a poem that I promised my Uncle on his
deathbed I would live by. I will post it next. Please take the time
to read it and pass it on to anybody you think it may help.




HOWLING MAD REDNECK



--- In suicide4@yahoogroups.com, darci Rhoades <spoiledchick89@y...>
wrote:
> Hello..i am a member of the suicide group.. i am ONLY 15 but i have
tried to commit suicide... not as bad as a gun but i would if i was
desperate... i just reasontly lost someone who means EVERYTHING to
me ... he broke up with me and doesnt want us together...how should i
deal?? I am very pleased to hear that you are married with kids..that
is a great reason to live... what other reasons are why you tried to
commit suicide??Any other reasons?
> (darci)
>
> William Day <greasemonkeyredneck@y...> wrote:
> Howdy. My name is William Day. I am a twenty nine year old man. I
am
> happily married with seven kids. I've done mechanic work for
thirteen
> years. I am now confined to a wheelchair. I recently tried to
commit
> suicide. This group was suggested as a place to offer help and
> encouragement when needed and recieve the same.
>
> Less than a month ago, my wife walked in on me with a gun in my
> mouth. I was crying as I was slowly working up the nerve to pull
the
> trigger. She had me put into a state mental facility for some help.
I
> admit they didn't help me much, but it did give me plenty of free
> time to try and put things more into perspective.
>
> I've come up with a list of reasons why I am blessed that my brains
> weren't splattered that day.
>
> No matter how hard this road we call life gets, my kids look up to
me
> for guidance. Suicide is not the solution to depression that I wish
> them to learn from me.
>
> Others do love me, even if it doesn't always seem so. I done some
> checking and the world does not revolve around my ass.
>
> If one of my kids were to have walked in instead of my wife, I
would
> have permanently damaged their minds forever.
>
> I've survived three wrecks, my back broken in six places and my
neck
> in two, two broken legs and two broken shoulder blades, complete
> reconstruction of my right forearm, and just a general pissy life.
If
> God has kept me around this long, then there must be some higher
> purpose for me.
>
> I want to see all my kids graduate High School.
>
> I want to get all the hugs and kisses I can from my kids before I
go.
>
>
>
> In case someone didn't see a pattern, my kids are my reason for
> living. I personally don't have a reason to wake up in the morning
> without those kids. They are my life, my heart and soul.
>
> I have finally learned what that higher purpose is that I mentioned
> earlier is.
>
> I have an honorable duty to teach my vast experiences in life to
> these seven kids. Some may find that sort of corny, but a purpose
is
> a purpose.
>
>
>
>
>
> REDNECK
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I dont no you but i am here You are not alone!
*darci!!

William Day <greasemonkeyredneck@...> wrote:
I came here tonight looking for someone to talk to. I feel it'd be
easier on my family if I just was out of everyone's way. I feel like
noone wants or needs me. The last two hours of trying to find someone
here to talk to is further proof of that. There are people online but
noone will respond to IMs. The gun is loaded. I don't know if I'll
talk to you all again or not. If not, bless you all. I hope you get
what you want out of this fucked up world.



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Im sorry you feel this way, but trust me your family will care if you do this.I
felt the same exact way when I oded but now I know people care, I oded and the
ambulance came and this old man ran out of his house to where I was to make sure
I was ok.Trust me people will miss you, I know I will.My friend commited suicide
during the school year and even people who didnt know him were crying, so I know
for a fact people will be devistated if you do this.I know I cant stop you from
doing it, but I can say I well be really sad, and I dont want you to do it.Even
though I dont know you like at all I will still be very upset if I hear that you
commited suicide.So, please rethink these thoughts.I love u, and I hope you will
reconsider ending your life.
             -Meaghan

William Day <greasemonkeyredneck@...> wrote:
I came here tonight looking for someone to talk to. I feel it'd be
easier on my family if I just was out of everyone's way. I feel like
noone wants or needs me. The last two hours of trying to find someone
here to talk to is further proof of that. There are people online but
noone will respond to IMs. The gun is loaded. I don't know if I'll
talk to you all again or not. If not, bless you all. I hope you get
what you want out of this fucked up world.



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I hope that you changed your mind, not only about last night, but
about how you feel about yourself. If I had been online last night,
I would have replied. Anytime you need to talk to some, feel free to
email me personally. I cannot guarantee I can make you feel 100%
better but I sure as heck will try. I have been where you are. I
thought about killing myself constantly, convinced myself that not
ONE person would care whether or not I was alive or dead. But if I
had went thru with it, I never would be where I am today. I KNOW
there are people in my life that care. I have enough love inside me
now to spread it to others. I NEVER THOUGHT THAT WAS POSSIBLE BACK
THEN but looking back (as we all must do from time to time) I can
see how wrong I was. Why did I not do it? I wish I had an
inspirational answer for you, but the fact is, I was afraid I'd
screw that up too, and be worse off (my face shot off but still be
alive, terrifying small children in my wake), brain damage, half a
stomach, locked up in a mental hospital, etc. etc. I was basically
afraid I wouldn't die. So I figured, why fail at something else?
That's just sad, but at least it saved my life.
Again, email me, or try to catch me online anytime. That goes for
ANYONE HERE!!! I may not answer that second (I have two small
children now that demand constant attention while I'm online) but I
will always reply if you just WAIT WAIT WAIT for me. It will get
better, 100% guaranteed. Write down your thoughts in a journal, it
always helped me. Then you can look back and have PROOF that it will
pass. Sure, each day brings something new, but we get through it. WE
ARE SURVIVORS or we wouldn't be here, would we?
GOD BLESS and don't leave
Rochelle, of David's Tears
http://www.geocities.com/davids_tears/home.html

--- In suicide4@yahoogroups.com, "William Day"
<greasemonkeyredneck@y...> wrote:
> I came here tonight looking for someone to talk to. I feel it'd be
> easier on my family if I just was out of everyone's way. I feel
like
> noone wants or needs me. The last two hours of trying to find
someone
> here to talk to is further proof of that. There are people online
but
> noone will respond to IMs. The gun is loaded. I don't know if I'll
> talk to you all again or not. If not, bless you all. I hope you
get
> what you want out of this fucked up world.
>
>
>
> THE POOR WHITE TRASH THAT NOONE WANTS

I came here tonight looking for someone to talk to. I feel it'd be
easier on my family if I just was out of everyone's way. I feel like
noone wants or needs me. The last two hours of trying to find someone
here to talk to is further proof of that. There are people online but
noone will respond to IMs. The gun is loaded. I don't know if I'll
talk to you all again or not. If not, bless you all. I hope you get
what you want out of this fucked up world.



THE POOR WHITE TRASH THAT NOONE WANTS

--- In suicide4@yahoogroups.com, "dreamingofbeads"
<beadsnthings@c...> wrote:
> --- In suicide4@yahoogroups.com, wildseadolphin@a... wrote:
> > You know I read my email from this group and feel so and want to
> provide more
> > words of encouragment but I can't.  I feel so helpless as I know
> just what
> > everyone is going through.  Today is one of my bad days and I
just
> can't figure
> > out why I am here and then again I wonder why I don't take the
> pills that I
> > have handy to leave this cruel earth.  Since I can't be of any
help
> I hope and
> > am sure that someone else here can.



ANYONE can help some of us. Some only need someone to talk to in the
middle of lonely nights. You could lend an ear either through instant
messaging or phone. Some of us are just lonely as hell and feel so
all alone in the world.



REDNECK

I was reading over the first few pages of posts looking for
inspiration. I'm depressed tonight and just need to talk to someone
and can't find that someone. I have a question for the person below
who says to get out of an abusive situation. No disrespect intended,
BUTT, what does someone like me do who can't help but go BACK to the
abuse every time he closes his eyes to try to sleep?????????



REDNECK




--- In suicide4@yahoogroups.com, wildseadolphin@a... wrote:
> I know what you mean Ann.  I have lived with emotional abuse then
got married
> and received it again along with my children.  I waited to long to
leave as
> the day I left I was contiplating suicide instead I ran to my
mother and lived
> with her for a while until I could not take the abuse anymore, I am
now living
> with my son and his girlfriend until I can get on my feet and
things are
> finally somewhat better.  What you need to do is get away from it
all, it may be
> hard for you to do but give it a try.  I know I am glad I did
though I do still
> have other emotional promblems to deal with.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

THE MAN IN THE GLASS


When you get what you want in your struggle for self
and the world makes you king for a day
Just go to the mirror and look at yourself
And see what that man has to say.

For it isn't your parents, your children or wife
Who judgement upon you must pass
The fellow whose verdict counts most in your life
Is the one staring back from the glass.

Some people may think you a straight shooting chum
and call you a wonderful guy
But the man in the glass says you're only a bum
If you can't look him straight in the eye.

He's the fellow to please, never mind all the rest
For he's with you clear up to the end
And you've passed your most difficult, dangerous test
If the man in the glass is your friend.

You may fool the whole world down the pathway of life
And get pats on your back as you pass
But the final reward will be heartache and tears
If you've cheated the man in the glass.

First of all Darci, I'd like to apologize to you and all others
who've responded so well to me. I have been a little less than timely
about responses. You see, most of my computer time is on nights like
these when I'm up at two in the morning and can't sleep.

I'd like to address your case in particular. You are fifteen. You
have a lot of living to do yet. I know. I have kids as old as you. I
on the other hand have lived hard and fast. Even at twenty-nine, I've
lived a full life. You asked how you should deal with a boy who broke
up with you. Good riddance I say. If he was worth keeping, he'd still
be there with you. Take an inventory and put YOU first. If you can't
do that then noone can love you. I spent YEARS trying to make things
work with illfitted mates. It was after the breakup of my first
marriage when I wasn't even worried about no woman when I FINALLY
found the love of my life. Give it time. I can't tell you it's easy.
As a matter of fact, I can almost guarantee that things WILL get
rougher in life. What I can absolutely PROMISE though is that when
you're a little older and look down into the eyes of your children
while trying to explain why God made the sky blue, you will know then
what it's all about.

As for my reasons for my bad decisions, it's hard to explain. Since
thirteen years of age I've worked no less than twelve hours a day.
Now since October of last year I've been confined to a wheelchair and
can't work. I feel worthless not being able to take proper care of my
wife and kids. My family is my world, my soul, and my light. I feel
so much of a burden not being able to even dress myself sometimes.
I'm a worker, always have been. Now I'm a cripple.

I've come to realize a few things though. I'm only crippled when I
let my mind wander into that realm. I will work again one day. I've
just got to learn a new trade. Also, I've turned to another love of
my life. Ironically, it's guns. I'm a military surplus rifle
collector. I plan on turning this hobby into a business one day when
I get my gunsmith license. This is the goal I've set myself. That's
what's keeping me level these days. I have a Yahoo group named Guns-
and-Rights. That was taking some of my time. It appears to have went
dead though. So, if anyone cares about politics and protecting our
Constitutional rights, let me know.

Also Darci, I remembered a poem that I promised my Uncle on his
deathbed I would live by. I will post it next. Please take the time
to read it and pass it on to anybody you think it may help.




HOWLING MAD REDNECK



--- In suicide4@yahoogroups.com, darci Rhoades <spoiledchick89@y...>
wrote:
> Hello..i am a member of the suicide group.. i am ONLY 15 but i have
tried to commit suicide... not as bad as a gun but i would if i was
desperate... i just reasontly lost someone who means EVERYTHING to
me ... he broke up with me and doesnt want us together...how should i
deal?? I am very pleased to hear that you are married with kids..that
is a great reason to live... what other reasons are why you tried to
commit suicide??Any other reasons?
> (darci)
>
> William Day <greasemonkeyredneck@y...> wrote:
> Howdy. My name is William Day. I am a twenty nine year old man. I
am
> happily married with seven kids. I've done mechanic work for
thirteen
> years. I am now confined to a wheelchair. I recently tried to
commit
> suicide. This group was suggested as a place to offer help and
> encouragement when needed and recieve the same.
>
> Less than a month ago, my wife walked in on me with a gun in my
> mouth. I was crying as I was slowly working up the nerve to pull
the
> trigger. She had me put into a state mental facility for some help.
I
> admit they didn't help me much, but it did give me plenty of free
> time to try and put things more into perspective.
>
> I've come up with a list of reasons why I am blessed that my brains
> weren't splattered that day.
>
> No matter how hard this road we call life gets, my kids look up to
me
> for guidance. Suicide is not the solution to depression that I wish
> them to learn from me.
>
> Others do love me, even if it doesn't always seem so. I done some
> checking and the world does not revolve around my ass.
>
> If one of my kids were to have walked in instead of my wife, I
would
> have permanently damaged their minds forever.
>
> I've survived three wrecks, my back broken in six places and my
neck
> in two, two broken legs and two broken shoulder blades, complete
> reconstruction of my right forearm, and just a general pissy life.
If
> God has kept me around this long, then there must be some higher
> purpose for me.
>
> I want to see all my kids graduate High School.
>
> I want to get all the hugs and kisses I can from my kids before I
go.
>
>
>
> In case someone didn't see a pattern, my kids are my reason for
> living. I personally don't have a reason to wake up in the morning
> without those kids. They are my life, my heart and soul.
>
> I have finally learned what that higher purpose is that I mentioned
> earlier is.
>
> I have an honorable duty to teach my vast experiences in life to
> these seven kids. Some may find that sort of corny, but a purpose
is
> a purpose.
>
>
>
>
>
> REDNECK
>
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books that u might have read and found really helpful??

ur thoughts on these 3 books?

final exit
stone's book.
let me die before i wake(is this the same as final exit?)

c.c

everything will work out fine for you I cant make that
a for sure thing but just remember god is always with
you no matter what sins you make or what mistake you
make and I also tried to commit suicide like 25 times
but never sucessfully obviously cause I was too scared
but did have to go to the hospital for essesive blood
loss from my wrists and arms.
--- William Day <greasemonkeyredneck@...> wrote:
> Howdy. My name is William Day. I am a twenty nine
> year old man. I am
> happily married with seven kids. I've done mechanic
> work for thirteen
> years. I am now confined to a wheelchair. I recently
> tried to commit
> suicide. This group was suggested as a place to
> offer help and
> encouragement when needed and recieve the same.
>
> Less than a month ago, my wife walked in on me with
> a gun in my
> mouth. I was crying as I was slowly working up the
> nerve to pull the
> trigger. She had me put into a state mental facility
> for some help. I
> admit they didn't help me much, but it did give me
> plenty of free
> time to try and put things more into perspective.
>
> I've come up with a list of reasons why I am blessed
> that my brains
> weren't splattered that day.
>
> No matter how hard this road we call life gets, my
> kids look up to me
> for guidance. Suicide is not the solution to
> depression that I wish
> them to learn from me.
>
> Others do love me, even if it doesn't always seem
> so. I done some
> checking and the world does not revolve around my
> ass.
>
> If one of my kids were to have walked in instead of
> my wife, I would
> have permanently damaged their minds forever.
>
> I've survived three wrecks, my back broken in six
> places and my neck
> in two, two broken legs and two broken shoulder
> blades, complete
> reconstruction of my right forearm, and just a
> general pissy life. If
> God has kept me around this long, then there must be
> some higher
> purpose for me.
>
> I want to see all my kids graduate High School.
>
> I want to get all the hugs and kisses I can from my
> kids before I go.
>
>
>
> In case someone didn't see a pattern, my kids are my
> reason for
> living. I personally don't have a reason to wake up
> in the morning
> without those kids. They are my life, my heart and
> soul.
>
> I have finally learned what that higher purpose is
> that I mentioned
> earlier is.
>
> I have an honorable duty to teach my vast
> experiences in life to
> these seven kids. Some may find that sort of corny,
> but a purpose is
> a purpose.
>
>
>
>
>
> REDNECK
>
>
>
>


=====

Jenna Ann.




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> You know I read my email from this group and feel so and want to
provide more
> words of encouragment but I can't.  I feel so helpless as I know
just what
> everyone is going through.  Today is one of my bad days and I just
can't figure
> out why I am here and then again I wonder why I don't take the
pills that I
> have handy to leave this cruel earth.  Since I can't be of any help
I hope and
> am sure that someone else here can.

If you take those pills you will deprive yourself of any chance to
ever be able to help anyone or for you to be able to figure out what
you are doing here.  If you choose to stay alive you are, at the very
least, giving yourself hope for a better future.  It can get better -
I know it can - it did for me - and for the longest time I had almost
no hope.  Please hang on!  My thoughts are with you, I know how very
difficult it can be.

Lisa

Redneck

You just answered your own question an to the higher pursose of life.  Your
kids.  Recently I wrote the group stating I feel helpless is helping people
here as I feel the same way they do.  I wonder why I don't take the pills I have
to do the job but I guess you answered my question to - my children.  I guess
children are our saviours.


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You know I read my email from this group and feel so and want to provide more
words of encouragment but I can't.  I feel so helpless as I know just what
everyone is going through.  Today is one of my bad days and I just can't figure
out why I am here and then again I wonder why I don't take the pills that I
have handy to leave this cruel earth.  Since I can't be of any help I hope and
am sure that someone else here can.


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I understand... If that is true i would undersdtand... Its ok...There are poeple
here for you....
*darci!

Stacey Schwerin <sschwerin@...> wrote:
I don't know why he did that.  There were several reasons ciruculating, such as
his dad was going to kick him out when he was 18 (he was 17 when he died) which
he wasn't ready for and that he found out that his dad was gay.  I don't believe
either one of those.  If his dad did kick him out, he always had his mom to go
to or he could've moved in with me and my mom.  And I really don't believe his
dad was gay.  I don't know where that one came from or who said it.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: darci Rhoades
   To: suicide4@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:06 AM
   Subject: Re: [Suicide] Introducing Myself


   Do you no why he would try to commit suicide...any reasons?

   Patrick Jensen <pzichotic1@...> wrote:

   stacey_schwerin <sschwerin@...> wrote:Hi.  I just joined this group.
When I was 15 (I'm now 28), my
   boyfriend (to whom I was engaged to) decided to committ suicide.
   Talk about having to grow up in a hurry.  It completely devastated
   me.  I lost my first true love in the most heart wrenching way.  I
   didn't see it coming, he showed absolutely no signs of wanting to
   die.  I miss him so much and think of him often.  I felt extremely
   guilty when Adam died, and even to this day I still feel a sense of
   guilt.  I know that it was his decision but it's still difficult to
   come to grips with it. I often dreamt that he staged his suicide and
   the body that was found wasn't really his.  I want to feel him and
   see him just one more time.  I want to hear him say "I Love You".  I
   am now married with two children, however, I feel that I cannot love
   my husband as much as I should because a big piece of my heart still
   belongs to Adam.  I don't want to forget him and I feel that if I
   come to grips with this then I will forget him.  It's a very hard
   thing to get over.  And honestly I know that I will never get over it.
   Hi...thank you for the sharing....i didn't find  any kind of comfort,help or
hope in it,but i guess the fact that you shared it in hopes it could help
somehow will have to mean something.   is the message that we really NEVER DO
GET OVER IT???thanks....patrick

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I don't know why he did that.  There were several reasons ciruculating, such as
his dad was going to kick him out when he was 18 (he was 17 when he died) which
he wasn't ready for and that he found out that his dad was gay.  I don't believe
either one of those.  If his dad did kick him out, he always had his mom to go
to or he could've moved in with me and my mom.  And I really don't believe his
dad was gay.  I don't know where that one came from or who said it.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: darci Rhoades
   To: suicide4@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:06 AM
   Subject: Re: [Suicide] Introducing Myself


   Do you no why he would try to commit suicide...any reasons?

   Patrick Jensen <pzichotic1@...> wrote:

   stacey_schwerin <sschwerin@...> wrote:Hi.  I just joined this group.
When I was 15 (I'm now 28), my
   boyfriend (to whom I was engaged to) decided to committ suicide.
   Talk about having to grow up in a hurry.  It completely devastated
   me.  I lost my first true love in the most heart wrenching way.  I
   didn't see it coming, he showed absolutely no signs of wanting to
   die.  I miss him so much and think of him often.  I felt extremely
   guilty when Adam died, and even to this day I still feel a sense of
   guilt.  I know that it was his decision but it's still difficult to
   come to grips with it. I often dreamt that he staged his suicide and
   the body that was found wasn't really his.  I want to feel him and
   see him just one more time.  I want to hear him say "I Love You".  I
   am now married with two children, however, I feel that I cannot love
   my husband as much as I should because a big piece of my heart still
   belongs to Adam.  I don't want to forget him and I feel that if I
   come to grips with this then I will forget him.  It's a very hard
   thing to get over.  And honestly I know that I will never get over it.
   Hi...thank you for the sharing....i didn't find  any kind of comfort,help or
hope in it,but i guess the fact that you shared it in hopes it could help
somehow will have to mean something.   is the message that we really NEVER DO
GET OVER IT???thanks....patrick

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Do you no why he would try to commit suicide...any reasons?

Patrick Jensen <pzichotic1@...> wrote:

stacey_schwerin <sschwerin@...> wrote:Hi.  I just joined this group. 
When I was 15 (I'm now 28), my
boyfriend (to whom I was engaged to) decided to committ suicide.
Talk about having to grow up in a hurry.  It completely devastated
me.  I lost my first true love in the most heart wrenching way.  I
didn't see it coming, he showed absolutely no signs of wanting to
die.  I miss him so much and think of him often.  I felt extremely
guilty when Adam died, and even to this day I still feel a sense of
guilt.  I know that it was his decision but it's still difficult to
come to grips with it. I often dreamt that he staged his suicide and
the body that was found wasn't really his.  I want to feel him and
see him just one more time.  I want to hear him say "I Love You".  I
am now married with two children, however, I feel that I cannot love
my husband as much as I should because a big piece of my heart still
belongs to Adam.  I don't want to forget him and I feel that if I
come to grips with this then I will forget him.  It's a very hard
thing to get over.  And honestly I know that I will never get over it.
Hi...thank you for the sharing....i didn't find  any kind of comfort,help or
hope in it,but i guess the fact that you shared it in hopes it could help
somehow will have to mean something.   is the message that we really NEVER DO
GET OVER IT???thanks....patrick

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Hello..i am a member of the suicide group.. i am ONLY 15 but i have tried to
commit suicide... not as bad as a gun but i would if i was desperate... i just
reasontly lost someone who means EVERYTHING to me ... he broke up with me and
doesnt want us together...how should i deal?? I am very pleased to hear that you
are married with kids..that is a great reason to live... what other reasons are
why you tried to commit suicide??Any other reasons?
(darci)

William Day <greasemonkeyredneck@...> wrote:
Howdy. My name is William Day. I am a twenty nine year old man. I am
happily married with seven kids. I've done mechanic work for thirteen
years. I am now confined to a wheelchair. I recently tried to commit
suicide. This group was suggested as a place to offer help and
encouragement when needed and recieve the same.

Less than a month ago, my wife walked in on me with a gun in my
mouth. I was crying as I was slowly working up the nerve to pull the
trigger. She had me put into a state mental facility for some help. I
admit they didn't help me much, but it did give me plenty of free
time to try and put things more into perspective.

I've come up with a list of reasons why I am blessed that my brains
weren't splattered that day.

No matter how hard this road we call life gets, my kids look up to me
for guidance. Suicide is not the solution to depression that I wish
them to learn from me.

Others do love me, even if it doesn't always seem so. I done some
checking and the world does not revolve around my ass.

If one of my kids were to have walked in instead of my wife, I would
have permanently damaged their minds forever.

I've survived three wrecks, my back broken in six places and my neck
in two, two broken legs and two broken shoulder blades, complete
reconstruction of my right forearm, and just a general pissy life. If
God has kept me around this long, then there must be some higher
purpose for me.

I want to see all my kids graduate High School.

I want to get all the hugs and kisses I can from my kids before I go.



In case someone didn't see a pattern, my kids are my reason for
living. I personally don't have a reason to wake up in the morning
without those kids. They are my life, my heart and soul.

I have finally learned what that higher purpose is that I mentioned
earlier is.

I have an honorable duty to teach my vast experiences in life to
these seven kids. Some may find that sort of corny, but a purpose is
a purpose.





REDNECK




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Howdy. My name is William Day. I am a twenty nine year old man. I am
happily married with seven kids. I've done mechanic work for thirteen
years. I am now confined to a wheelchair. I recently tried to commit
suicide. This group was suggested as a place to offer help and
encouragement when needed and recieve the same.

Less than a month ago, my wife walked in on me with a gun in my
mouth. I was crying as I was slowly working up the nerve to pull the
trigger. She had me put into a state mental facility for some help. I
admit they didn't help me much, but it did give me plenty of free
time to try and put things more into perspective.

I've come up with a list of reasons why I am blessed that my brains
weren't splattered that day.

No matter how hard this road we call life gets, my kids look up to me
for guidance. Suicide is not the solution to depression that I wish
them to learn from me.

Others do love me, even if it doesn't always seem so. I done some
checking and the world does not revolve around my ass.

If one of my kids were to have walked in instead of my wife, I would
have permanently damaged their minds forever.

I've survived three wrecks, my back broken in six places and my neck
in two, two broken legs and two broken shoulder blades, complete
reconstruction of my right forearm, and just a general pissy life. If
God has kept me around this long, then there must be some higher
purpose for me.

I want to see all my kids graduate High School.

I want to get all the hugs and kisses I can from my kids before I go.



In case someone didn't see a pattern, my kids are my reason for
living. I personally don't have a reason to wake up in the morning
without those kids. They are my life, my heart and soul.

I have finally learned what that higher purpose is that I mentioned
earlier is.

I have an honorable duty to teach my vast experiences in life to
these seven kids. Some may find that sort of corny, but a purpose is
a purpose.





REDNECK

stacey_schwerin <sschwerin@...> wrote:Hi.  I just joined this group. 
When I was 15 (I'm now 28), my
boyfriend (to whom I was engaged to) decided to committ suicide.
Talk about having to grow up in a hurry.  It completely devastated
me.  I lost my first true love in the most heart wrenching way.  I
didn't see it coming, he showed absolutely no signs of wanting to
die.  I miss him so much and think of him often.  I felt extremely
guilty when Adam died, and even to this day I still feel a sense of
guilt.  I know that it was his decision but it's still difficult to
come to grips with it. I often dreamt that he staged his suicide and
the body that was found wasn't really his.  I want to feel him and
see him just one more time.  I want to hear him say "I Love You".  I
am now married with two children, however, I feel that I cannot love
my husband as much as I should because a big piece of my heart still
belongs to Adam.  I don't want to forget him and I feel that if I
come to grips with this then I will forget him.  It's a very hard
thing to get over.  And honestly I know that I will never get over it.
Hi...thank you for the sharing....i didn't find  any kind of comfort,help or
hope in it,but i guess the fact that you shared it in hopes it could help
somehow will have to mean something.   is the message that we really NEVER DO
GET OVER IT???thanks....patrick

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Hi.  I just joined this group.  When I was 15 (I'm now 28), my
boyfriend (to whom I was engaged to) decided to committ suicide.
Talk about having to grow up in a hurry.  It completely devastated
me.  I lost my first true love in the most heart wrenching way.  I
didn't see it coming, he showed absolutely no signs of wanting to
die.  I miss him so much and think of him often.  I felt extremely
guilty when Adam died, and even to this day I still feel a sense of
guilt.  I know that it was his decision but it's still difficult to
come to grips with it. I often dreamt that he staged his suicide and
the body that was found wasn't really his.  I want to feel him and
see him just one more time.  I want to hear him say "I Love You".  I
am now married with two children, however, I feel that I cannot love
my husband as much as I should because a big piece of my heart still
belongs to Adam.  I don't want to forget him and I feel that if I
come to grips with this then I will forget him.  It's a very hard
thing to get over.  And honestly I know that I will never get over it.