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#138 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary
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--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, mclaym1@... wrote:
>
> Yevgen,
>
> Thank you. Three years is even bigger accomplishment. I think 99%
percent  of
> all people will not stick to it despite its potential benefits.
After awhile,
>  it does become "monotonic."


What I like most about this exercise that it allows a person to
get out of the death spiral:
  "asthma does not allow to exercise" <--->"absence of exercise
promotes asthma"

Once Strelnikova exercise has reduced asthma symptoms so that
other exercises or regular sport activities can be started, I guess it
is fine to mix and match SE with other exercises so that it will not
get old.
    And than if asthma gets worse (say due to a cold, or allergy
season) get back to Strelnikova exercise.

This kind of balanced approach is probably the best to avoid
getting bored by it. Just regularly do exercises as such (any kind) if
it works, and once it stops working, pull out your secret weapon - SE :-)

Regards,
Yevgen



>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/19/2008 1:52:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> evgenij_b@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Congrats!
> 1 year is quite an achievement, and results are the  reward.
>
> I am doing the exercise for about 3 years now with my  daughter
> (don't remember exact date though),
> causing her asthma attacks  to be eliminated without medications
> and for me a noticeable reduction of  cold symptoms (which might have
> been sometimes allergic, you can't always  know).
>
> Regards,
> Yevgen
>
> --- In _strelnikova_strelnikostrelnikova_str_
> (mailto:strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com) ,  "clymrk" <mclaym1@>
wrote:
> >
> > On July 27, it will  be one year since I started to do these
> > exercises...
> >
> > One year ago, I had allergic shocks to pollen, could not breath, and
> > was swallowing allergy pills around this time.
> >
> > This  year, I am virtually symptom free. I am glad I did not quit.
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
>
>
>
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#137 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: One Year Anniversary
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Yevgen,
 
Thank you. Three years is even bigger accomplishment. I think 99% percent of all people will not stick to it despite its potential benefits. After awhile, it does become "monotonic."
 
Mark
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/19/2008 1:52:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, evgenij_b@... writes:

Congrats!
1 year is quite an achievement, and results are the reward.

I am doing the exercise for about 3 years now with my daughter
(don't remember exact date though),
causing her asthma attacks to be eliminated without medications
and for me a noticeable reduction of cold symptoms (which might have
been sometimes allergic, you can't always know).

Regards,
Yevgen

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, "clymrk" <mclaym1@...> wrote:
>
> On July 27, it will be one year since I started to do these
> exercises....
>
> One year ago, I had allergic shocks to pollen, could not breath, and
> was swallowing allergy pills around this time.
>
> This year, I am virtually symptom free. I am glad I did not quit.
>
>
> Mark
>





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#136 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary
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Congrats!
1 year is quite an achievement, and results are the reward.

I am doing the exercise for about 3 years now with my daughter
(don't remember exact date though),
causing her asthma attacks to be eliminated without medications
  and for me a noticeable reduction of cold symptoms (which might have
been sometimes allergic, you can't always know).

Regards,
Yevgen

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, "clymrk" <mclaym1@...> wrote:
>
> On July 27, it will be one year since I started to do these
> exercises....
>
> One year ago, I had allergic shocks to pollen, could not breath, and
> was swallowing allergy pills around this time.
>
> This year, I am virtually symptom free. I am glad I did not quit.
>
>
> Mark
>

#135 From: "clymrk" <mclaym1@...>
Date: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:40 pm
Subject: One Year Anniversary
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On July 27, it will be one year since I started to do these
exercises....

One year ago, I had allergic shocks to pollen, could not breath, and
was swallowing allergy pills around this time.

This year, I am virtually symptom free. I am glad I did not quit.


Mark

#134 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:06 am
Subject: welcome to the group!
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Steve,
welcome to the group and good luck with exercise.
I hope members will be able help with any questions you might have!

Regards,
Yevgen

#133 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Tue May 6, 2008 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Strelnikova exercises and strength training
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Please report on your findings...It will be interesting to hear if you get the same results.
 
Mark
 
In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:38:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, evgenij_b@... writes:

This is an interesting experiment. I myself never tried that because
in my case strelnikova is usually done in the evening, while
running and stick-exercises mornings. I will try to do what you say,
a round of SE before running.

What I did notice that even doing SE not immediately before running,
but just regularly has changed my habit of breathing. I started
breathing in through my nose involuntary when I run with moderate
intensity (which is the most common way for me). The style of
breathing also became more Strelnikova-like. It is hard to describe
the change, but in overall it is more easy and effortless.

Regards,
Yevgen

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, "clymrk" <mclaym1@...> wrote:
>
> I recently decided to undertake some strength training exercises.
> Before them, I do one round of each Strelnikova exercise as warming up.
> I found that I have more energy to go through other exercises. As a
> result, I do more of them and with more intensity. I also try to
> incorporate Strelnikova breathing while doing strength training. I
> found that I do not run out of breath that much. The final conclusion
> is Strelnikova exercises are great for warming up and stretching one's
> muscles before engaing in other type of exercises.
>
> Mark
>





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#132 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Mon May 5, 2008 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Strelnikova exercises and strength training
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This is an interesting experiment. I myself never tried that because
in my case strelnikova is usually done in the evening, while
running and stick-exercises mornings. I will try to do what you say,
a round of SE before running.

What I did notice that even doing SE not immediately before running,
but just regularly has changed my habit of breathing. I started
breathing in through my nose involuntary when I run with moderate
intensity (which is the most common way for me). The style of
breathing also became more Strelnikova-like. It is hard to describe
the change, but in overall it is more easy and effortless.

Regards,
Yevgen

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, "clymrk" <mclaym1@...> wrote:
>
> I recently decided to undertake some strength training exercises.
> Before them, I do one round of each Strelnikova exercise as warming up.
> I found that I have more energy to go through other exercises. As a
> result, I do more of them and with more intensity. I also try to
> incorporate Strelnikova breathing while doing strength training. I
> found that I do not run out of breath that much. The final conclusion
> is Strelnikova exercises are great for warming up and stretching one's
> muscles before engaing in other type of exercises.
>
> Mark
>

#131 From: "clymrk" <mclaym1@...>
Date: Sun May 4, 2008 10:32 pm
Subject: Strelnikova exercises and strength training
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I recently decided to undertake some strength training exercises.
Before them, I do one round of each Strelnikova exercise as warming up.
I found that I have more energy to go through other exercises. As a
result, I do more of them and with more intensity. I also try to
incorporate Strelnikova breathing while doing strength training. I
found that I do not run out of breath that much. The final conclusion
is Strelnikova exercises are great for warming up and stretching one's
muscles before engaing in other type of exercises.

Mark

#130 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: Exercises and cold
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It can well be that S. exercise delivers some dose of direct pleasure
by affecting brain chemistry.

At least in my experience, it is more invigorating and energizing than
any other exercise I know where you would burn similar amount of calories.

Regards,
Yevgen

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, mclaym1@... wrote:
>
> Evgenij,
>
> It is a very good explanation from you. I know you are right when it
comes
> to being aware of the fact that our brain is a physical organ too. I
bet we
> often do not think about our brain as an organ.
>
> I was wondering, however, if the increased level of oxygen that we are
> getting into our brain through S. exercises invariably leads to the
  increased
> level of dopamine that is responsible for stimulating "pleasure"
center in our
> brain. I know that drugs increase the level of dopamine's in one
brain...Do you
> think that S. exercises have the power and do the same thing?  Shetinin
> mentions in his book that S. exercises have a "stimulating effect
on one's
> pleasure center."
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> In a message dated 3/17/2008 1:58:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> evgenij_b@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> It is clear that it can work for physical reasons, as S.  exercise
> actually eliminates some of the problems. It make easier to breath  for
> one, improving oxigination level as result. Already a good reason  for
> better mood. By prolonged practice it widens the large bronchi,  those
> making the improvement permanent.
> Besides, brain is a physical  organ itself. It just does
> not work very well if say not enough nutrients  are coming in, or blood
> has reduced oxigen level, not to mention levels of  different hormones,
> that also can be altered by physical activity. So  making body work
> better improves work of the brain and so improves the  outcome of
> thinking process. Maybe mood improves because some of the  issues
> _actually_ find a resolution!
>
> As for purely psychological, it  is more complex. But I can see one
> mechanism, similar to meditation - it  allows to break up the infinite
> loop of thoughts that don't converge to a  desirable resolution. By
> "resetting" the brain, it allows to start thinking  process from new
> set of "seeds" and this way it might come to completely  different
> solutions.
> But meditation requires a lot of training to get it  right, while
> exercise allows to accomplish the "reset" equally well for a  novice or
> experienced practitioner.
>
> Regards,
> Evgenij
>
> ---  In _strelnikova_strelnikostrelnikova_str_
> (mailto:strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com) ,  mclaym1@ wrote:
> >
> > I believe depression occurs for two  reasons. The first one being
> purely
> > psychological. A person tries  to do something. Things do not work
> out. Depression
> > sets  in.
> >
> > The second reason is physical. May be, there is some  chemical
> imbalance in
> > one's head. Some people are just predisposed  to being depressed much
> like some
> > people are predisposed to having  certain conditions.
> >
> > I believe in both cases, these breathing  exercises can help. Yes, it
> is a
> > simple explanation, but it makes  sense.
> >
> > We live in a society of "easy solutions." It is much  easier to take
> a pill
> > than to do anything else.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#129 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exercises and cold
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Evgenij,
 
It is a very good explanation from you. I know you are right when it comes to being aware of the fact that our brain is a physical organ too. I bet we often do not think about our brain as an organ.
 
I was wondering, however, if the increased level of oxygen that we are getting into our brain through S. exercises invariably leads to the increased level of dopamine that is responsible for stimulating "pleasure" center in our brain. I know that drugs increase the level of dopamine's in one brain...Do you think that S. exercises have the power and do the same thing? Shetinin mentions in his book that S. exercises have a "stimulating effect on one's pleasure center."
 
Best Regards,
 
 
Mark
 
In a message dated 3/17/2008 1:58:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, evgenij_b@... writes:

It is clear that it can work for physical reasons, as S. exercise
actually eliminates some of the problems. It make easier to breath for
one, improving oxigination level as result. Already a good reason for
better mood. By prolonged practice it widens the large bronchi, those
making the improvement permanent.
Besides, brain is a physical organ itself. It just does
not work very well if say not enough nutrients are coming in, or blood
has reduced oxigen level, not to mention levels of different hormones,
that also can be altered by physical activity. So making body work
better improves work of the brain and so improves the outcome of
thinking process. Maybe mood improves because some of the issues
_actually_ find a resolution!

As for purely psychological, it is more complex. But I can see one
mechanism, similar to meditation - it allows to break up the infinite
loop of thoughts that don't converge to a desirable resolution. By
"resetting" the brain, it allows to start thinking process from new
set of "seeds" and this way it might come to completely different
solutions.
But meditation requires a lot of training to get it right, while
exercise allows to accomplish the "reset" equally well for a novice or
experienced practitioner.

Regards,
Evgenij

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, mclaym1@... wrote:
>
> I believe depression occurs for two reasons. The first one being
purely
> psychological. A person tries to do something. Things do not work
out. Depression
> sets in.
>
> The second reason is physical. May be, there is some chemical
imbalance in
> one's head. Some people are just predisposed to being depressed much
like some
> people are predisposed to having certain conditions.
>
> I believe in both cases, these breathing exercises can help. Yes, it
is a
> simple explanation, but it makes sense.
>
> We live in a society of "easy solutions." It is much easier to take
a pill
> than to do anything else.





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#128 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: Exercises and cold
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It is clear that it can work for physical reasons, as S. exercise
actually eliminates some of the problems. It make easier to breath for
one, improving oxigination level as result. Already a good reason for
better mood. By prolonged practice it widens the large bronchi, those
making the improvement permanent.
    Besides, brain is a physical organ itself. It just does
not work very well if say not enough nutrients are coming in, or blood
has reduced oxigen level, not to mention levels of different hormones,
that also can be altered by physical activity. So making body work
better improves work of the brain and so improves the outcome of
thinking process. Maybe mood improves because some of the issues
_actually_ find a resolution!

As for purely psychological, it is more complex. But I can see one
mechanism, similar to meditation - it allows to break up the infinite
loop of thoughts that don't converge to a desirable resolution. By
"resetting" the brain, it allows to start thinking process from new
set of "seeds" and this way it might come to completely different
solutions.
     But meditation requires a lot of training to get it right, while
exercise allows to accomplish the "reset" equally well for a novice or
experienced practitioner.

Regards,
Evgenij


--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, mclaym1@... wrote:
>
> I believe depression occurs for two reasons. The first one being
purely
> psychological. A person tries to do something. Things do not work
out.  Depression
> sets in.
>
> The second reason is physical. May be, there is some chemical
imbalance in
> one's head. Some people are just predisposed to being depressed much
like  some
> people are predisposed to having certain conditions.
>
> I believe in both cases, these breathing exercises can help. Yes, it
is a
> simple explanation, but it makes sense.
>
> We live in a society of "easy solutions." It is much easier to take
a pill
> than to do anything else.

#127 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exercises and cold
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I believe depression occurs for two reasons. The first one being purely psychological. A person tries to do something. Things do not work out. Depression sets in.
 
The second reason is physical. May be, there is some chemical imbalance in one's head. Some people are just predisposed to being depressed much like some people are predisposed to having certain conditions.
 
I believe in both cases, these breathing exercises can help. Yes, it is a simple explanation, but it makes sense.
 
We live in a society of "easy solutions." It is much easier to take a pill than to do anything else.
 
In a message dated 3/14/2008 12:29:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, evgenij_b@... writes:

I suspect that being depressed sometimes was always a norm, since the
ancient times. It is just that nobody was considering this abnormal,
but rather a just punishment by God for our sins. At least
that is how I am trying to apply this logic to myself.

To put it more scientifically, the mood is an objective reflection of
two things:

1) how well the body engine operates (based on billion year optimized
program developed by evolution)

and

2) how well the individual executes the cultural program (developed
during last 100 000 years since invention of the language, when
information developed by individuals started being passed from one
generation to the next)

If either of these two things are unsuccessful, mood goes down.

Of cause it takes a lot of work to maintain both operations
(that sometimes contradict each other) successful at all times.
It is supposed to be NOT EASY, after all we are fighting for
_survival_ both of our genes and of our cultural information (e.g.
human spirit).
The purpose of mood and our nervous system in general
is not to pleasure itself, but to help with survival.
So no wonder that is not always only pleasure.

The issue with the present times is that maximal pleasure is
considered the only purpose of human life. I agree with this
concept as long as pleasure is achieved the "fair" way, e.g. by
satisfying above 2 criteria, and so pleasure coincides with satisfying
the purpose of Life. But in the moment when we are starting to
cheat, creating artificial pleasure with drugs of any kind,
there is a disconnect, that leads to demise of the specie (or
informational/cultural program that certain population part caries).

I agree that there are certain (and very rare) medical conditions
that people are depressed for no obvious reason, otherwise being
healthy and culturally successful. In this case machinery of pleasure
is imbalanced in the negative direction and some help can be provided.
But before any such treatment I think it would be important to
establish that such imbalance is really true (say by taking
physical measurements of dopamine levels depending on different
situations, etc). Presently no such physical tests are required
to prescribe tranquilizers, any shrink can do it, who not even
necessarily has any medical certification. I think this is just
legalized drug-ring, that needs to be busted.

Regards,
Evgenij

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, mclaym1@... wrote:
>
> Yevgen,
>
> I would say that being depressed is becoming a norm in this society.
Look at
> the number of people who take anti-depressants. Unfortunately, to
maintain my
> mood, it takes work. I hope that with time, my good mood will be
longer
> maintained without these breathing exercises. I wondered if similar
effect can
> also be obtained just by doing aerobics or strength training
exercises. I also
> noticed that after doing these exercises, I am more motivated and
energized
> to do stuff that needs to be done.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> In a message dated 3/10/2008 3:40:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> evgenij_b@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Good to hear that you observed shortened cold. I have seen it
> happen too, and I usually switch to 2 exercise/day when sick.
>
> I always intensify S. exercises when I feel I am getting a cold and
> often it prevents me from actually getting sick. In fact neither me
> nor daughter (who used to suffer from asthma attacks) were sick this
> winter at all, by following this method.
>
> I bet it is not normal to be depressed all the time, the whole
> concept of "norm" (e.g. average) implies that should be sad/happy
> about half/half :-) Settling in either of these moods too much will
> make the feed-back on success of failure less effective, reducing
> survival chances.
> So in this sense S. exercise helps to come back to more success
> inducing state. I did not observe it to reduce my too good mood
> though :-)
>
> Regards,
> Yevgen
>
> --- In _strelnikova_strelnikostrelnikova_str_
> (mailto:strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com) , "clymrk" <mclaym1@>
wrote:
> >
> > Last week, I had a cold. I believe these exercises helped to shorten
> > the duration of it. I did feel much better after them.
> >
> > When I do not do these exercise, my mood is kind of bad too. Doing
> > these exercises consistently and regularly helps to elevate my
mood and
> > keep it on a level where I can function normally. As I look back, I
> > have been having consistent depressing moods for years. I thought it
> > was normal.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#126 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:28 pm
Subject: Re: Exercises and cold
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I suspect that being depressed sometimes was always a norm, since the
ancient times. It is just that nobody was considering this abnormal,
but rather a just punishment by God for our sins. At least
that is how I am trying to apply this logic to myself.

To put it more scientifically, the mood is an objective reflection of
two things:

1) how well the body engine operates (based on billion year optimized
program developed by evolution)

and

2) how well the individual executes the cultural program (developed
during last 100 000 years since invention of the language, when
information developed by individuals started being passed from one
generation to the next)

If either of these two things are unsuccessful, mood goes down.

Of cause it takes a lot of work to maintain both operations
(that sometimes contradict each other) successful at all times.
It is supposed to be NOT EASY, after all we are fighting for
_survival_ both of our genes and of our cultural information (e.g.
human spirit).
The purpose of mood and our nervous system in general
is not to pleasure itself, but to help with survival.
So no wonder that is not always only pleasure.

The issue with the present times is that maximal pleasure is
considered the only purpose of human life. I agree with this
concept as long as pleasure is achieved the "fair" way, e.g. by
satisfying above 2 criteria, and so pleasure coincides with satisfying
the purpose of Life. But in the moment when we are starting to
cheat, creating artificial pleasure with drugs of any kind,
there is a disconnect, that leads to demise of the specie (or
informational/cultural program that certain population part caries).

    I agree that there are certain (and very rare) medical conditions
that people are depressed for no obvious reason, otherwise being
healthy and culturally successful. In this case machinery of pleasure
is imbalanced in the negative direction and some help can be provided.
But before any such treatment I think it would be important to
establish that such imbalance is really true (say by taking
physical measurements of dopamine levels depending on different
situations, etc). Presently no such physical tests are required
to prescribe tranquilizers, any shrink can do it, who not even
necessarily has any medical certification. I think this is just
legalized drug-ring, that needs to be busted.

Regards,
Evgenij

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, mclaym1@... wrote:
>
> Yevgen,
>
> I would say that being depressed is becoming a norm in this society.
Look  at
> the number of people who take anti-depressants. Unfortunately, to
maintain my
>  mood, it takes work. I hope that with time, my good mood will be
longer
> maintained without these breathing exercises. I wondered if similar
effect can
> also be obtained just by doing aerobics or strength training
exercises. I  also
> noticed that after doing these exercises, I am more motivated and
energized
> to do stuff that needs to be done.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> In a message dated 3/10/2008 3:40:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> evgenij_b@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Good to hear that you observed shortened cold. I have seen it
> happen  too, and I usually switch to 2 exercise/day when sick.
>
> I always  intensify S. exercises when I feel I am getting a cold and
> often it  prevents me from actually getting sick. In fact neither me
> nor daughter  (who used to suffer from asthma attacks) were sick this
> winter at all, by  following this method.
>
> I bet it is not normal to be depressed all the  time, the whole
> concept of "norm" (e.g. average) implies that should be  sad/happy
> about half/half :-) Settling in either of these moods too much  will
> make the feed-back on success of failure less effective,  reducing
> survival chances.
> So in this sense S. exercise helps to come  back to more success
> inducing state. I did not observe it to reduce my too  good mood
> though :-)
>
> Regards,
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> > Last week, I had a  cold. I believe these exercises helped to shorten
> > the duration of it.  I did feel much better after them.
> >
> > When I do not do these  exercise, my mood is kind of bad too. Doing
> > these exercises  consistently and regularly helps to elevate my
mood and
> > keep it on a  level where I can function normally. As I look back, I
> > have been  having consistent depressing moods for years. I thought it
> > was  normal.
> >
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#125 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:51 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exercises and cold
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Yevgen,
 
I would say that being depressed is becoming a norm in this society. Look at the number of people who take anti-depressants. Unfortunately, to maintain my mood, it takes work. I hope that with time, my good mood will be longer maintained without these breathing exercises. I wondered if similar effect can also be obtained just by doing aerobics or strength training exercises. I also noticed that after doing these exercises, I am more motivated and energized to do stuff that needs to be done.
 
Best Regards,
 
 
Mark
 
In a message dated 3/10/2008 3:40:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, evgenij_b@... writes:

Good to hear that you observed shortened cold. I have seen it
happen too, and I usually switch to 2 exercise/day when sick.

I always intensify S. exercises when I feel I am getting a cold and
often it prevents me from actually getting sick. In fact neither me
nor daughter (who used to suffer from asthma attacks) were sick this
winter at all, by following this method.

I bet it is not normal to be depressed all the time, the whole
concept of "norm" (e.g. average) implies that should be sad/happy
about half/half :-) Settling in either of these moods too much will
make the feed-back on success of failure less effective, reducing
survival chances.
So in this sense S. exercise helps to come back to more success
inducing state. I did not observe it to reduce my too good mood
though :-)

Regards,
Yevgen

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, "clymrk" <mclaym1@...> wrote:
>
> Last week, I had a cold. I believe these exercises helped to shorten
> the duration of it. I did feel much better after them.
>
> When I do not do these exercise, my mood is kind of bad too. Doing
> these exercises consistently and regularly helps to elevate my mood and
> keep it on a level where I can function normally. As I look back, I
> have been having consistent depressing moods for years. I thought it
> was normal.
>





#124 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Exercises and cold
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Good to hear that you observed shortened cold. I have seen it
happen too, and I usually switch to 2 exercise/day when sick.

I always intensify S. exercises when I feel I am getting a cold and
often it prevents me from actually getting sick. In fact neither me
nor daughter (who used to suffer from asthma attacks) were sick this
winter at all, by following this method.

I bet it is not normal to be depressed all the time, the whole
concept of "norm" (e.g. average) implies that  should be sad/happy
about half/half :-) Settling in either of these moods too much will
make the feed-back on success of failure less effective, reducing
survival chances.
    So in this sense S. exercise helps to come back to more success
inducing state. I did not observe it to reduce my too good mood
though :-)

Regards,
Yevgen

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, "clymrk" <mclaym1@...> wrote:
>
> Last week, I had a cold. I believe these exercises helped to shorten
> the duration of it. I did feel much better after them.
>
> When I do not do these exercise, my mood is kind of bad too. Doing
> these exercises consistently and regularly helps to elevate my mood and
> keep it on a level where I can function normally. As I look back, I
> have been having consistent depressing moods for years. I thought it
> was normal.
>

#123 From: "clymrk" <mclaym1@...>
Date: Thu Mar 6, 2008 9:15 pm
Subject: Exercises and cold
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Last week, I had a cold. I believe these exercises helped to shorten
the duration of it. I did feel much better after them.

When I do not do these exercise, my mood is kind of bad too. Doing
these exercises consistently and regularly helps to elevate my mood and
keep it on a level where I can function normally. As I look back, I
have been having consistent depressing moods for years. I thought it
was normal.

#122 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exercises and Energy
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In a message dated 1/4/2008 9:11:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, evgenij_b@... writes:
 
Happy New Year!
I am just back from india where I was visiting relatives.
Air conditions is Calcutta are very bad, so respiratory
illnesses abound. I just talked to one relative who has
COPD diagnosis about Strelnikova and showed him how it is
done. Good luck to him in trying it. I will report back if
I hear about his results.
Happy New Year to you too!
May this coming year bring everything good to you!
 
I just came back from the vacations myself.
 
I hope your relative uses it. Many people do not stick to it for long.


I agree that SE (strelnikova exercise) indeed has an energy
burst effect (probably due to increased blood circulation in
chest area and saturation of blood with oxigen
while maintaining normal CO2 level). I have noticed it many times,
effect is immediate and you can not overlook it.
Sometimes during buseness trip I am so tired when I come back to
hotel that I don't want to even undress. But I made it a habit
to do SE and than I will so invigorated that often I would even
go out with the collegues and see the evening life of the city.
Effect is amazing.
Same thing is when I am feeling that I am
positively catching a cold. You know this heavy congested feeling
around the nose, and fever coming... When I feel like that
I do SE and I am back, ready to do stuff. Usually I would not even
fall sick after that.
The effect on one's energy is very noticeable indeed! Many exercises do not have the same effect. In effect, they might leave you feeling exhausted, This does not happen, of course, with Strelnikova's exercises. When I am feeling bad, I do it too. It literally lift's up my spirits. It leaves more positive about life and helps me to fight winter blues.
 
Best Regards,
 
 
Mark


Regards,
Yevgen

 




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#121 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2008 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: Exercises and Energy
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Happy New Year!
I am just back from india where I was visiting relatives.
Air conditions is Calcutta are very bad, so respiratory
illnesses abound. I just talked to one relative who has
COPD diagnosis about Strelnikova and showed him how it is
done. Good luck to him in trying it. I will report back if
I hear about his results.

I agree that SE (strelnikova exercise) indeed has an energy
burst effect (probably due to increased blood circulation in
chest area and saturation of blood with oxigen
while maintaining normal CO2 level). I have noticed it many times,
effect is immediate and you can not overlook it.
    Sometimes during buseness trip I am so tired when I come back to
hotel that I don't want to even undress. But I made it a habit
to do SE and than I will so invigorated that often I would even
go out with the collegues and see the evening life of the city.
Effect is amazing.
Same thing is when I am feeling that I am
positively catching a cold. You know this heavy congested feeling
around the nose, and fever coming... When I feel like that
I do SE and I am back, ready to do stuff. Usually I would not even
fall sick after that.

Regards,
Yevgen


--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, "clymrk" <mclaym1@...> wrote:
>
> Strelnikova breathing exercises do have a great ability to charge one's
> energy when a person is exausted or sick. After doing them, the head
> literally "clears" of all thoughts and one gets a boost of energy
> allowing to go on with tasks.
>
> Recently, I had dental problems. I was exausted so much that I could
> not even get up from my bed to crawl to the dentist. I barely could
> slide from my bed...the first thing I have done was these exercises. In
> fifteen minutes, I walked to the dentist. It usually takes me 30
> minutes to walk there.
>
> A few day ago, I had eaten so many cookis that had nuts in them.
> Ordinary, even two cookies would have produced allegy shock. There were
> no problems.
>
> I think we should never underestimate what these exercises could do and
> have patience when it comes to results. Good things come to those who
> wait and do!
>

#120 From: "clymrk" <mclaym1@...>
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:45 pm
Subject: Exercises and Energy
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Strelnikova breathing exercises do have a great ability to charge one's
energy when a person is exausted or sick. After doing them, the head
literally "clears" of all thoughts and one gets a boost of energy
allowing to go on with tasks.

Recently, I had dental problems. I was exausted so much that I could
not even get up from my bed to crawl to the dentist. I barely could
slide from my bed...the first thing I have done was these exercises. In
fifteen minutes, I walked to the dentist. It usually takes me 30
minutes to walk there.

A few day ago, I had eaten so many cookis that had nuts in them.
Ordinary, even two cookies would have produced allegy shock. There were
no problems.

I think we should never underestimate what these exercises could do and
have patience when it comes to results. Good things come to those who
wait and do!

#119 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Experiences with Exercises
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Hello Evgenij,
I am sure that as people have such differences in life-styles,
personal histories, personal set of genetic deviations and illnesses
that every treatment has to be highly customized. It is a great
oversimplification that a particular medicine works for everyone,
but we have to use it as there is no better option (even at
the cost of certain percentage of people dying from it).
There is however a few things that are generic, and one of them
is the exercise is good for health (as long as its is not too
strenuous).
I think you are very right when it comes to every treatment that needs to be customized. However, we do have to use as there is no better option as you said. On Internet, you generally read about these exercises helping the cases of asthma, stuttering, allergies, smoking, and anxiety. I did not find anything that is related to any other conditions and usefulness of these exercises. I think the people would have shared their experiences online as well. The illnesses that these exercises supposedly can treat remind me of the illnesses that are listed under chi kung type of exercises that as you know, originated from China. I would have wanted them to work for conditions that I have. Precisely, the time will tell. Shetinin claims it take about one month to notice positive results.



That is very interesting. However, it is hard to catch the spike
or drop. More stable method of measurements would be to collect
data every day (better at the same time of the day, say after
dinner) and look at averages rather then peaks. Once you have
the data entered in a file it is very easy to visualize it with
excel or other such tool. This will give much more confidence
that what you see is a tendency and not a fluke.
 
It seems as if it jumps around. I hate looking at it and seeing way over 90 in diastolic or something like this. However, there is a constant effect on the pulse. It went down to sixties. It was in higher seventies or lower eighties before. It definitely shows that the exercise does have an effect on the heart. I have been consistent with checking my measurements.
 
 Good luck with that. When I have more problems, I have tendency
to exercise more regularly, to wake up more early and in overall
be more systematic. It is like a response of a jelly-fish to
a touch - it contracts, it mobilizes resources. This makes sure
that even if you fail to solve the problem, it will not be
for the lack of concentration but due to objective reasons.
It is good to have this feeling, regardless of how difficult
the problem is.
 
I like your approach. Yes, you should take care of yourself during problem times. That way, you could solve them easier. I wish there would be less problem though. What many people said about these exercises and I agree with them is that these exercises fit in one's lifestyle. In another words, they can literally be done anywhere. They are low impact and not strenuous. Once one used to doing them, he gets used to them so much that he stops to count time while doing them.
 
Best Regards,
 
 
Mark
 
 






 




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#118 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: Experiences with Exercises
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--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, mclaym1@... wrote:
>
> Hello Evgenij,
>
> I think Shetinin stated in his book that breathing exercises work
for all
> types of allergies. Sometimes, I need to go to extremes to find out
if  things
> really work or not. In any event, they did this time. I think the
action
> mechanism beyond breathing exercises is the same for all types of
allergies-
> widening airways and making them stronger. When I read about so many
  illnesses
> being treated with the same exercises, it is sometimes very hard for
  me to
> believe that this is the case. I clearly understand why the author
of  the book
> clearly glorifies it.

I would agree with that statement. For myself, I believe only
in thing for which I can at least imagine a physical reason.
So it is quite conceivable that the exercise improves breathing
and cardio-functions because it involves corresponding organs.
As for other improvement, I think advantages are limited to
the effect of "physical activity" as such.

Other indirect effect is that once person that used to suffer from
asthma or allergies is freed from it, it is more likely that
person will involve in other physical activities. These in
turn improve overall well-being. This way Strelnikova exercise has
indirect "healing" effect on the entire menu of illnesses associated
with passive lifestyle.


>After all, he has been Strelnikova's student  for so many
> years. I am naturally very skeptical to all claims. I can only
attest to their
> effectiveness on allergy symptoms. However, I believe their
effectiveness on
> a person will vary as well. Even online, people say that these
exercises
> work better for some people than they do for others. If we have  the
same organs
> and biology, shouldn't these exercises work the same way for  everyone?

I am sure that as people have such differences in life-styles,
personal histories, personal set of genetic deviations and illnesses
that every treatment has to be highly customized. It is a great
oversimplification that a particular medicine works for everyone,
but we have to use it as there is no better option (even at
the cost of certain percentage of people dying from it).
      There is however a few things that are generic, and one of them
is the exercise is good for health (as long as its is not too
strenuous).

>
> I also began to notice their effect on my blood pressure. One time, I
> noticed my diastolic blood pressure to go below 90. I have been
having  a high blood
> pressure probably most of my life even though I did  not monitor it
earlier.
> I am not sure if it is only isolated incident of it  going below 90
or not.
> Bear in mind, it never went below 90 when I  took measurements over
the last few
> years. I need more time to monitor  it to determine definitely their
effect
> on my blood pressure. I do expect  and want miracles!

That is very interesting. However, it is hard to catch the spike
or drop. More stable method of measurements would be to collect
data every day (better at the same time of the day, say after
dinner) and look at averages rather then peaks. Once you have
the data entered in a file it is very easy to visualize it with
excel or other such tool. This will give much more confidence
that what you see is a tendency and not a fluke.

>
> Yes, you are right about blues. We all have them. Many problems
might take  a
> long time to resolve. It is an unfortunate and frustrating thing
considering
> I have no patience. I like your approach when you "postpone"
resolving your
> problems. Yes, when you have no energy, you will not solve your
problem
> anyway. I do believe you need to be healthy to solve your problems
effectively.
> Using cocaine will certainly not work LOL. Yes, we would not  know
if we were
> doing well or not without having blues. I just wish I had  them less
times. I am
> very susceptible to bad moods. By the way, this book  also claims to
have a
> positive effect on depression. I hope these  exercises will have
some long term
> effects on my mental states. I think it would  have helped to handle
problems
> better.

Good luck with that. When I have more problems, I have tendency
to exercise more regularly, to wake up more early and in overall
be more systematic. It is like a response of a jelly-fish to
a touch - it contracts, it mobilizes resources. This makes sure
that even if you fail to solve the problem, it will not be
for the lack of concentration but due to objective reasons.
It is good to have this feeling, regardless of how difficult
the problem is.

Regards,
Evgenij

>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Experiences with Exercises
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Hello Evgenij,
 
I think Shetinin stated in his book that breathing exercises work for all types of allergies. Sometimes, I need to go to extremes to find out if things really work or not. In any event, they did this time. I think the action mechanism beyond breathing exercises is the same for all types of allergies- widening airways and making them stronger. When I read about so many illnesses being treated with the same exercises, it is sometimes very hard for me to believe that this is the case. I clearly understand why the author of the book clearly glorifies it. After all, he has been Strelnikova's student for so many years. I am naturally very skeptical to all claims. I can only attest to their effectiveness on allergy symptoms. However, I believe their effectiveness on a person will vary as well. Even online, people say that these exercises work better for some people than they do for others. If we have the same organs and biology, shouldn't these exercises work the same way for everyone?
 
I also began to notice their effect on my blood pressure. One time, I noticed my diastolic blood pressure to go below 90. I have been having a high blood pressure probably most of my life even though I did not monitor it earlier. I am not sure if it is only isolated incident of it going below 90 or not. Bear in mind, it never went below 90 when I took measurements over the last few years. I need more time to monitor it to determine definitely their effect on my blood pressure. I do expect and want miracles!
 
Yes, you are right about blues. We all have them. Many problems might take a long time to resolve. It is an unfortunate and frustrating thing considering I have no patience. I like your approach when you "postpone" resolving your problems. Yes, when you have no energy, you will not solve your problem anyway. I do believe you need to be healthy to solve your problems effectively. Using cocaine will certainly not work LOL. Yes, we would not know if we were doing well or not without having blues. I just wish I had them less times. I am very susceptible to bad moods. By the way, this book also claims to have a positive effect on depression. I hope these exercises will have some long term effects on my mental states. I think it would have helped to handle problems better.
 
Best Regards,
 
 
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#116 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: Experiences with Exercises
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Hi Mark!
I wish all the pharma-companies would make their experiments
on themselves :-) Anyway, it was a rather dangerous experiment
(admittedly I also tend to do things like than occasionally, such
as not eating for 3 days etc). Amazing that it worked out well
for you. I did not expect that it works also for food allergies.
There must be some more effects at works beyond straightening and
widening the bronchi and invigorating the breathing system.
    Or maybe it is still the same - food allergy still might cause
some constriction of airways and mucus evolution,
but as they become wider and stronger, it does not cause much discomfort.

As for blues...everybody has them. It is natural.
We are self-learning systems, so we need a negative feedback.
Otherwise how will we know if we are doing well or not?
As we are much more complex information processing systems then
amoeba, the feedback also goes much more deep than just pain/pleasure,
it occures on system level and is experienced as "overal feeling"
good or bad. Thinking and analysing what in particular is causing
it and executing the conclusions is the way to turn the feed-back to
positive eventually.
    It is only recently and with strong encouragement of pharma
companies that such conditions started being treated with medications.
I don't think this is right. The world where everybody is perpetualy
happy can be easily implemented by providing everybody with
daily dose of cocaine. But this would will die out very fast, as
we will become blind without positive/negative feedback to our actions
and thoughts. It is easy to fall over the cliff wandering around blind...
   I am not saying that we should try to feel bad, or focus on bad
feelings. I would say to focus on the objective facts and analysis
of solutions. Once problem is solved, mood will improve automatically.

     But another thing I keep reminding myself is that
"thinking" itself is a physical process that requires energy and
good bodily functions (that is where exercise actually helps).
It is no point to think about complex problem
when tired. So I use "Scarlet" method in this case - "I will not think
about this today, I can think about it tomorrow" when tired or when
some problem is notoriously not converging. Maybe you don't have
enough data to find solution, or maybe you need some random insight
that did not come today, it might come tomorrow and will for
sure come eventually...

Regards,
Evgenij

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, mclaym1@... wrote:
>
> Hello Evgenij,
>
> Yes, breathing exercises will not win the biggest loser contest.
However,
> nobody is asking them to win one.
>
> I just conducted one experiment recently. I have eaten and drank
everything
> that used to cause an allergy attack in the past: coffee almost
every day,
> citrus fruits, and even nuts. I have done it for my own
experimentation
> purposes. There was no allergy attack, but there were some symptoms
of allergy  that
> were quickly eliminated by breathing exercises. Therefore, breathing
> exercises get an A mark in my book.
>
> I wish they were just as effective for other conditions I have. I
assume I
> need patience to reach results. I started to have many blues (bad
moods)
> lately due to having business difficulties and current inability to
  make progress.
> I do not know how you deal with them. The effect of  exercises on
them is
> only short-lived in my case.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
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#115 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Experiences with Exercises
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Hello Evgenij,
 
Yes, breathing exercises will not win the biggest loser contest. However, nobody is asking them to win one.
 
I just conducted one experiment recently. I have eaten and drank everything that used to cause an allergy attack in the past: coffee almost every day, citrus fruits, and even nuts. I have done it for my own experimentation purposes. There was no allergy attack, but there were some symptoms of allergy that were quickly eliminated by breathing exercises. Therefore, breathing exercises get an A mark in my book.
 
I wish they were just as effective for other conditions I have. I assume I need patience to reach results. I started to have many blues (bad moods) lately due to having business difficulties and current inability to make progress. I do not know how you deal with them. The effect of exercises on them is only short-lived in my case.
 
Best Regards,
 
 
Mark 
 
 




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#114 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Experiences with Exercises
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Thank you for sharing your results.

I suspect Strelnikova is really not going to win anybody
the "biggest looser" title. It would have a more subtle effect
of gently pushing overall lifestile towards being more healthy
and more active, and as side result would reduce weight over years period.
Advantage of that slow but sure approach is that changes are permanent
rather than fast but temporary effect of different diets.
    However, I think gradually you will end up with some more
energy intensive excersize in addition to Strelnikova
if significant weight loss is preferred. Research into
groups of people that lost a lot of weight and (!) maintained the
loss over 5 years show that they all have significant
work-out load (at least 30 min a day average).

I think situation with blood pressure is also not instantaneous
(effect can be expected in several month period rather then weeks) but
more promising because this exercises is know to straighten
chest and lungs areas that are critical for blood pressure.
I think it would be useful to re-visit this measurements after
half a year or so.
Interesting that you observe changes in your hearth rate.
I never heard about this effect so it might be some new discovery.

Regards,
Evgenij

--- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, mclaym1@... wrote:
>
> Evgenij,
>
> I am glad that you did not use any steroids with your daughter. I
believe
> that her high achievements in school can be attributed to two factors:
> continuous, increased supply of oxygen to her brain that probably
activates all  brain
> centers as Shetinin speculates in his book and her good genetics
that she
> probably inherited from her father.
>
> As you know I began these exercises because of my allergies and
because I
> tried to find some exercises that would provide physical benefits of
work out
> along with healing some health "problems" that I have. Of course, I
have been
> doing these exercises for a short time. Nevertheless, the results
are stated
> below:
>
> 1) Allergy- these exercises relieved allergy symptoms. The relief was
> "short-lived." However, I did not have to use medication, except for
3 or 4  times.
> Before, I used them every day.
>
> 2) Blood pressure- No changes. It still stays around 135/95.
However, my
> pulse rate does seem to go down and stay down after these exercises
from 82 to
> 68. It tells me that these exercises provided me with some fitness
benefits.
> In sportsmen, the pulse rate is usually lower than it is in  average
people.
>
> 3) Anxiety- these exercises are "able" to relieve stress and even
fears.
> However, this relief is rather "short-lived."
>
> 4) Mood elevation- the same effect as described above. Again, it is  a
> short-lived effect in my case.
>
> 5) Fitness benefits- there are some. I did notice my endurance did
increase.
> In another words, I am as tired anymore after any activity as I used
  to be.
>
> 6) Weight- Did not notice any effects in terms of weight
stabilization or
> decrease in body size.
>
> It is a good thing that these exercises "help" you to fight off cold
> viruses. Much like many exercises probably, they have a
strengthening  effect on
> one's immune system.
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#113 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Experiences with Exercises
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Evgenij,
 
I am glad that you did not use any steroids with your daughter. I believe that her high achievements in school can be attributed to two factors: continuous, increased supply of oxygen to her brain that probably activates all brain centers as Shetinin speculates in his book and her good genetics that she probably inherited from her father.
 
As you know I began these exercises because of my allergies and because I tried to find some exercises that would provide physical benefits of work out along with healing some health "problems" that I have. Of course, I have been doing these exercises for a short time. Nevertheless, the results are stated below:
 
1) Allergy- these exercises relieved allergy symptoms. The relief was "short-lived." However, I did not have to use medication, except for 3 or 4 times. Before, I used them every day.
 
2) Blood pressure- No changes. It still stays around 135/95. However, my pulse rate does seem to go down and stay down after these exercises from 82 to 68. It tells me that these exercises provided me with some fitness benefits. In sportsmen, the pulse rate is usually lower than it is in average people.
 
3) Anxiety- these exercises are "able" to relieve stress and even fears. However, this relief is rather "short-lived."
 
4) Mood elevation- the same effect as described above. Again, it is a short-lived effect in my case.
 
5) Fitness benefits- there are some. I did notice my endurance did increase. In another words, I am as tired anymore after any activity as I used to be.
 
6) Weight- Did not notice any effects in terms of weight stabilization or decrease in body size.
 
It is a good thing that these exercises "help" you to fight off cold viruses. Much like many exercises probably, they have a strengthening effect on one's immune system. 
 
Best Regards,
 
 
Mark 




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#112 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:05 pm
Subject: How to do Strelnikova exercise if my nose is closed
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Recently I received a question from a person who is starting
with the exercise that I thought applies quite often:
"What do I do if my nose is blocked? Can I do Strelnikova exercise
by breathing by mouth?".

No, breathing through the mouth would not work because
opening is so big that there is no internal pressure
build up during breath in. Part of reason why exercise works
is that when you forcefully sniff, air has a hard time to enter
through narrow passage of the nose so internal pressure builds
up and gradually increases diameter of the bronchs.

One thing we are doing when my daughters nose is closed is
a nice little acupuncture massage that allows to open it and start the
Strelnikova exercise.
The points that have to be massaged are around the nose.
I made a picture outlining the points:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/strelnikova_exercise/files/accupuncture.jpg

To find the exact location of the point, try to find
a little "deep" in its approximate location. It should hurt
a little when you press on it.
Use both of your index finger to apply firm pressure of
both of the points that are on the same level simultaneously,
doing a rotating moves. Do 40 rotations for each level.
Start from the top point, than go to the level below.

Once you finished all points, you will feel a noticeable
clearing of the nose passages. You might be able to sniff
well enough after than in most cases.

This massage can be also done without relation to
Strelnikova exercise, just to feel much better with severely
congested nose. It is supposed to accelerate getting
better with your running nose condition by improving
circulation and removal of fluids if you do it every
hour or so.
Source of it is lost in our family history (I think it came
from some health magazine that my grandma read).
It was working well for us ever since.

Regards,
Evgenij

#111 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: Experiences with Exercises
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Mark,
to your question about results of our 3 years doing the exercise.

First, we started because my daughter was getting asthma attacks
in the night and doctor prescribed using an albuterol inhalator
machine and twice a day steroids. During the aggravated time
(typically caused by allergy to some plants and by any colds) she
could barely run.

In search of alternatives to continious steroids which I distrusted
knowing about side effects, I found the exercise,
and we started doing it twice a day.

We tried to do exercise _during_ the attack too, as
it is supposed to stop it. In fact it always worked for
us. It took usually 2 rounds of "pump", "hugs" and "pump and hugs"
to make her feel better enough to sleep.

After about 2 weeks attacks were gone. We did not start with steroids
actually, and we no longer had to use inhaler.
Gradually we went to one time a day exercise, usually evening.
Attacks did not come back.
She would occasionally (once or twice a year) become congested that
gives you a feeling that attack might come, but we made sure we
intensify exercise in such cases, do it twice a day. Attacks did not
come anymore.

Now she is quite sporty, playing basketball for a teem already 2
years, dancing with a professional performing group and generally very
active. No restriction for activity either outside or inside.
     One thing worth noting is that she is doing very well mentally
too. Learned to read page-wise text with 3.5 years old and now in
second grade finishing 4th grade math-book. I am not sure exercise
helps directly, but trust and closeness that parent develops while
doing exercise every day helps to do other systematic things together
such as teaching stuff.

For myself, I think I have reduced accidence of colds (to which I
am normally prone) about twice. I did not miss a single day
of work for last 5 years because of a cold (mind you that just
before we started an exercise I was so bad that I got a pneumonia
and had to use inhaler for 2 weeks).
    Weight -- well, I never had problems with it before, but than
5 years ago I came to USA with its double-cheeseburgers, and it
started to show in gaining 10 pounds or so. Maybe without Strelnikova
it would be worse. Anyway, I got it back down by intensifying my
other exercises (staff) by trying to do it about 3 times a week.
    Pressure - it is staying very well so far. Hard to say what
is helping there.


Regards,
Evgenij

#109 From: mclaym1@...
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Experiences with Exercises
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 Hello Yevgen,
 
Three years? Wow... I had never stuck to any exercise for more than one year. I think that congratulations are in order. Please see some of my comments below.

Good point. In almost 3 years that we are doing the exercise,
we tried pretty much every entertainment imaginable,
including doing it with music. It is one of the good choices.
One disadvantage specific to having music in a background
with a kid (or beginner) is that you can not hear the sniffs
so you can not evaluate if they are doing it right. But once the
person is experienced and does not need a reminder to sniff loudly,
music is great, specially if the beat is not too fast or too slow
compared to your usual exercise frequency.

You actually tried it? I thought I was the only person that was
into this idea... Anyway it is working for me on and off for almost 15
years. I like it because it is more entertaining than just running
(and more useful as it involves upper body and hands, and not only
legs). It is almost like having a partner for the exercise, as the
stick has its own will and own dynamics, you need to fight it
as opposite to an exercise machine. Of cause there is a learning
curve until you get enough tricks that you can do confidently enough
that you can fill 30-40 minutes with them. On a downside, it is to be
used with caution (the stick IS heavy), as even after 15 years I am
occasionally getting hit although it was never anything serious.
 
I tried exercises with a weighted bar from one book called Escape Your Shape by Edward J. Jackowski. Never even came close to escaping my shape (LOL) even though his ideas on fitness seemed to be good. Also, I took out one end from my broom, and my broom was transformed into a stick. I have done various exercises with it. The stick seems to work for my relatives though. They exercise with a stick daily.

>I just do not like the names Norbekov gives to his
> books.
Yes, he is a bit over the top. But some ideas are not bad,
such as not taking yourself and what you are doing to gravely.
Indeed, all our problems are fleeting in the great scheme of things
so why not work on solving them with a smile :-)
 
Although there are many Russian authors whose ideas are good, there are quite a few of them who either copy from each other or steal work from the Western authors. I found that some of them even slid mud at Strelnikova. For instance, Frolov in his book states that Strelnikova exercises do damage to our organs even though he admits that a person "feels subjectively that he made a positive improvement in one's condition." Of course, he claims that his method of breathing is superior to any other method of breathing in existance.


> I think the explanation why these breathing exercises work is simple.
> Shetinin talks about it himself in his book. As oxygen goes into our
bodies, it
> revitalizes and invigorates all organs and systems. They begin to
work more
> efficiently. The contraction of chest with various movements makes
oxygen go
> deeper and everywhere in our bodies, so each organ and system can be
reached.

Interesting explanation. Of cause a lot of it have not been physically
tested - for example how do you test how deep increased oxygen
concentration reaches? I know there have been some studies, but they
were measuring the oxigination level in one place not in different
organs. With new ways of testing such as MRI I am sure we will learn
more about what is really going on.
Somehow I never tried yoga, but chinese exercises appear to focus
more on plasticity than on breathing although the do favour
shalow breathing which makes them compatible with Strelnikova. Than
again, china is big so you could bet there is an exercise for everything.
I wonder why in the past there was so much focus on things that
people do themselves to improve their health, while now everything
is supposed to be done "to you". This is some of the things where
state should step in and finance research and education. Obviously
medical community and farma companies are financially interested
in people statistically not being healthy which is partly
counter-balanced by competition that requires to demonstrate
individual results better than a competitor. So what we are getting
is a mixed picture with some localized great victories (widely
hyped) and and the same time the entire areas of health-care
statistics sinking through the cracks. 10% all kids have asthma and
need continious medications?? 10% of all kids are autistic and need
continuous medications??
Something is wrong with this picture... If we are doing
much better than the ancestors with infections, we
should be doing better with asthma and diabetis and all other
areas. As it apparently does not work with the same approach
(medications), than scientific method should turn to other approaches
.
You are right about our modern methods of treatments. Conventional medicine is very popular in our society. In fact, swallowing pills is a "great" way to maintain one's health or to "get" it back. As a society, we tend to like methods of treatment that work extremely fast. Therefore, swallowing pills and getting a quick and temporary fix is often preferable to doing something else, such as trying alternative methods of treatment that might not work as fast. I think pharmaceutical companies are partially to blame for this way of thinking.
I also have noticed that it really only takes a few exercises
to feel the effect on the mood.
That is certainly much better than swallowing antidepressants.

I noticed that I started to take more risks and actions in my life. May be, it is due to increased confidence that these exercises gave me or the fact that they tend to lessen one's anxiety temporarily. This is very helpful, especially when one needs to deal with other people who are often the sources of stress. I am sure there are just as many mental benefits to these exercises as there are physical benefits. They certainly have ability to lift one's spirit.
 
There is at least one way how it does certainly help. As it
improves mood, and people sometimes eat a treat or two to "cheer
themselves up", it clearly provides an alternative way to cheer up.
It also does take away some of the free time that people otherwise
might be using to grab a snack :-)
On the bright side, they can do this exercise even in front of the
TV, and feeling of being tired usually disapears after the first
exercise. So no excuses really. Of cause in the forums people often
just want to talk, the subject is less important :-)

Specially with a kid counting is very useful because it gives
a measure of a progress. If you are half-through, and 3/2 through,
the whole motivation goes up.
We figured out what I think is a perfect method, which is to
count each 8 sniffs as ONE bend finger. As you have 10 fingers, it
results in 80 sniffs per exercise which is somewhat less than 12x8
recommended but for that you will never lose count and have a visual
(!) indication of the progress.
This method can have a lot of entertaining
variations, for example the kid can count the 8ths and than snap
with fingers or give a clap, and than partner bends the finger.
Then you switch turns.
While devised for the kid, it became so automatic that I am
counting with fingers even if I do it by myself, just because
it eliminates the need to think about it
.
 
Great method of keeping control on sniffs! Believe it or not, I thought of it myself too. Thank you for telling me this.

Good luck with your measurements. As they usually fluctuate
depending on the time of the day etc it would make sense
to collect the statistics of many measurements each day
and actually plot them so that you can see the tendency
despite fluctuations.
I did notice that my pulse rate seems to go down after about three hours from doing these exercises from 82 to about 70. My blood pressure is usually about 135/95, but the diastolic pressure can go a few points higher under stress. One time, I did notice it went down to 88, which has never happened before. When I measured it again almost immediately, it was back to 94-95. I am still not sure about the effects of these exercises on my blood pressure. I think time and taking more measurements will tell.
I noticed that it helps we to reduce the number and severity of colds
that I am getting. So here is an additional motivation for you - the
cold season is starting...
 
You bet. It should be motivating enough.

Good luck with that! As with any results having a baseline
of multiple measurements a day over some period of time before
and after would allow to say clearly if you have an effect or
not.
 
Since you have been doing them for 3 years, what exactly are the benefits of these exercises that you and your child have noticed? Can you briefly list all of them? It would be interesting to find out. It also would have been interesting to find out the length of time it took you and your child to reach them.
 
Best Regards,
 
 
Mark
 


Regards,
Yevgen




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#108 From: "Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b@...>
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:16 pm
Subject: promising results of CPAP that can be related to effectiveness of Strelnikova
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New research shows that Continuous Positive Airway Pressure
has great results with Obstructive Sleep Apnea,
which in turn helps with a lot of other illnesses:
http://www.physorg.com/news110190609.html

Here is some more details on CPAP:
http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/snoring/cpap.cfm

Due to applied pressure during short powerful sniffs,
Strelnikova exercise is in fact an "intensive, short-period"
version of CPAP, with added advantages of being a work-out.

So we can expect to have the same benefits as CPAP and more.

Regards,
Evgenij

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