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CP Re: Details

I suspect that low CP after the exercise can indicate two
different things
1) low O2
or
2) high CO2
The desire to take a breath is connected both with high CO2 and low O2
concentrations, and as such it is hard to use it as indicator
for only one of them.

Exact measurements of CO2 is needed to give the answer which
particular activity increases or decreases it, and that was exactly
what Buteyko was doing in his lab by measuring CO2 in breath-out
air and in blood. Shetinin made such measurements in clinical settings
and his tests indicated that Strelnikova gymnastic has a paradoxal
effect - it increased concentrations of both CO2 and O2 in the blood,
therefore not only asthma attack is not triggered, but it can also be
stopped (as CO2 is increased), while comfort level of the patient is
increased by presence of sufficient O2.

> As I understand it according to Buteyko to improve your
> overall health you need to ensure that any activity you
> do results in a net increase in overall levels of Co2; as
> denoted by your CP measurement.
>
> If somebody with a lower CP carried out exercises which
> resulted in a further lowering of their CP then , for them,
> this could prove dangerous. For example if somebody with
> a CP around 20 carried out exercises which resulted in a
> lowering of their CP then their body would take defensive
> action to prevent further loss of Co2 i.e. they may exhibit
> symptoms of disease ; the most obvious case would
> be the asthmatic who would begin to gasp
> for breath\wheeze etc.

That would be the case if CO2 level decreased during the exercise.
As opposite is the case, the results are also opposite as clinical
trials in 4 hospitals did not show even one case of attack triggered
by exercise, and if fact Shetining is talking about countless attacks
that were _stopped_ by exercise. He and Strelnikova were in fact
doing stopping the attacks over the phone, by explaining patients
that they have to sit on the bed and do the "pump" or "hug" exercise,
and talking them through the process until attack stopped.

> Evgenij ,thankfully,you have a CP which falls in the healthy range
> of 40 - 60 under normal conditions and so you have
> larger 'stores' of Co2 to fall back if you decide to
> push your body during exercise. This is great and what
> everyone should be aiming for.I think people with
> a low CP have to be careful when using starting Strelnikova
> exercises to ensure they don't push to hard - perhaps carry
> the exercises out from a sitting or lying position.

That definetely helps, as during the attack Shetining also
recomends to do exercise in sitting position to stop it.

Regards,
Evgenij

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> --- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, "Evgenij Barsukov"
> <evgenij_b@y...> wrote:
> > --- In strelnikova_exercise@yahoogroups.com, "peart702000" > ii)
> >Your
> > control pause & pulse, both, pre & post workout
> >
> > Yesturday I made some control pause (CP) measurements by just
> > closing my nose in random moment and checking the hold time until
> > I feel discomfort.
> > My normal CP is 45.
> > Immediately after Strelnikova exercise it drops to 20. This is
> > no surprize because it is a work-out, so your oxigen consumption
> > significantly increases. CP recovers quite quickly - 30 after
> > 10 minites and 40 after 1 hr. This indicates that the exercise
> > is not too heavy.
> > For example after realy hard workout (half hour continiously
> > interchaning running and gymnastic with heavy stick) I still have
> CP
> > about 10 after 30 minites cool-down time.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Evgenij




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Evgenij, Can you answer the following : 1) Can you detail the Strelnikova workout you follow including i) Number of exercises, number of repetitions and the...
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Jul 5, 2004
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... length of time since last meal etc Some of it is on the web-page, put probably it is useful to summarize it here: Number of exercises (moves): 12 Number of...
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... control pause & pulse, both, pre & post workout Yesturday I made some control pause (CP) measurements by just closing my nose in random moment and checking...
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Interesting. As I understand it according to Buteyko to improve your overall health you need to ensure that any activity you do results in a net increase in...
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I suspect that low CP after the exercise can indicate two different things 1) low O2 or 2) high CO2 The desire to take a breath is connected both with high CO2...
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