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Am I a nut?

Everytime I make statements against the wonderful
perfect world of the airline captain, I have to go back
and read the CVR from the Canary Islands disaster.
<br><br>I have to read again how the KLM FE, obviously very
nervous that a very congested runway is not clear,
tentatively suggests that Panam with 300+ passengers may not
have cleared. But he is overriden by a Captain in a
vast hurry, obviously pissed off at the detour he has
had to make and the fact that if he doesn't get away
soon, they will have to spend another night in that
Godforsaken place. <br><br>500 people died. <br><br>That
never, never, never, never, should have happened.
<br><br>There are many other tales like that, but that is the
one that tells me I am not a nut, and that the most
experienced captains make grave errors.




Tue Aug 3, 1999 12:40 am

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Tikouka I have to agree with you on the coffee pot/microwave theory...by the time Zimmerman was heading out to sea he had to know that it wasn't the coffee pot...
BarbaraFetherolf
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Aug 3, 1999
12:34 am

Everytime I make statements against the wonderful perfect world of the airline captain, I have to go back and read the CVR from the Canary Islands disaster. ...
tikouka
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Aug 3, 1999
12:40 am

I don't think so Nick. Every commercial pilot I have spoken to that knows about the Sr111 disaster seems to be very negative about Urs Zimmerman's decisions or...
BarbaraFetherolf
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Aug 3, 1999
12:52 am

I am probably being a little harsh. I will certainly get an ear full if I dared step over to Stuart's board. I bet Bob Chakas can't wait to get into me. ...
tikouka
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Aug 3, 1999
3:54 am

Yes, that installation of the IFES certainly looked hurried. Big competition for passengers, eh? I believe Cathay Pacific was one of the first to have the ...
tikouka
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Aug 3, 1999
4:33 am

I believe that Air Safety Week reported that swissair was in a BIG hurry to have that system installed.....it was said in two seperate articles that there is a...
BarbaraFetherolf
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Aug 3, 1999
5:26 am

Nick, you ask some very important questions. Some of which we have asked as well and we have some answers to based on the Aircraft Design Specs.<br><br>You ...
will_gorgen
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Aug 3, 1999
12:38 pm

continued...<br><br>Finally you say "And, do we want to know that Captains are simply automatons that follow the rules because the company says they always ...
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Aug 3, 1999
12:38 pm

Barbara, <br><br>I agree with you 100% on the Entertainment system issue. From what I can tell, the manufacturer (Boeing) recommends how to hook up these...
will_gorgen
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Aug 3, 1999
2:49 pm

Cockpit Smoke Brings Widebody Close to Ditching Over Atlantic<br><br><br>On a July 26 flight from the Caribbean to London's Gatwick Airport, the cockpit of a ...
BarbaraFetherolf
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Aug 3, 1999
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Near-Tragedy Illustrates Shortcomings in Combating In-flight Fires<br><br><br>Had the fire erupted halfway through the night flight from Honolulu, instead of...
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Aug 3, 1999
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Cockpit crew. The presence of an alert, competent third crewmember saved this airplane. Of particular interest, the captain's observation that if this had been...
BarbaraFetherolf
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Aug 3, 1999
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Not the least, the Delta case illustrates the vulnerability of electrical systems to improper installation. According to preliminary reports, the fire was...
BarbaraFetherolf
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Aug 3, 1999
4:17 pm

Nick... (sigh!)....<br><br>Yes, I understand your viewpoint. Always have. I agree with it. Yes, taking fire seriously saves lives. Yes the crew of SR111 did...
Stuart_Allsop
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Aug 3, 1999
11:55 pm

Barbara, that's a vital point here! Although neither Swissair nor the TSB will release the exact figure, a while back we found an interview with Vic Gerden,...
Stuart_Allsop
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Aug 4, 1999
12:07 am

Nick, I really can't answer that question. I don't have the preofessional training. But I can tell you that I agreee 100% that pilots are NOT perfect, ...
Stuart_Allsop
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Aug 4, 1999
12:21 am

Nick, just like everybody else, you are absolutely welcome on the Aviation Safety Board! We don't hold gruges, or attack people just for fun, really! Maybe you...
Stuart_Allsop
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Aug 4, 1999
12:28 am

Will, you bring up a very good point there, which I hadn;t noticed before: The fact that Zimmerman did actually accept the landing ata Halifax shows that he...
Stuart_Allsop
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Aug 4, 1999
12:38 am

Will Gorgen, let me introduce myself to you and all the others out there, my name is Stephen Thompson and my father Ernest Thompson was on the flight that ...
Stavros1_99
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Aug 4, 1999
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The thing that bothers me about the entertainment system is in particular a report by Stephen Thorne in the Canadian Press where he quotes a Boeing ...
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Aug 4, 1999
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Wednesday, August 4, 1999<br><br>Swissair jet had strange odour<br><br>Mysterious smell a month before crash not pinpointed<br><br>By RICHARD DOOLEY -- The ...
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Aug 4, 1999
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This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about in an earlier message when I said that the time period the pilots were experiencing problems may have ...
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Aug 4, 1999
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Yes, Barbara. This does seem suspicious.<br><br>I guess I have two other possible explainations. I am not saying that they are necessarily right, but I think...
will_gorgen
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Aug 4, 1999
12:04 pm

I heard on the news last night. The very plane that went down that night had previously been involved in a complaint by crew of a strange smell....months ...
colleenclare
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Aug 4, 1999
12:26 pm

After reading some of the latest posts, I've still got a couple of questions that have been bothering me for a while. I've asked before, but, has anyone heard...
colleenclare
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Aug 4, 1999
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Hello Stephen. <br><br>My deepest sympathies go out to you and your family. <br><br>You make several very good points in your post. The most important one (as...
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Aug 4, 1999
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continued....<br><br>Stephen. Your point about the aircraft wiring and the FAA's inaction is well taken. I think that anyone who has reviewed the data would...
will_gorgen
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Aug 4, 1999
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Mark, You asked:<br><br>"Does anybody know the odds of survival of a single commercial airline flight. Of course this would be different for domestic, ...
will_gorgen
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Aug 4, 1999
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Colleen,<br><br>We have been asking about these interviews for a while now over on the Aviation Safety board. We have so far not been able to find any. We have...
will_gorgen
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Aug 4, 1999
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Hi Will and Stuart,<br><br>Here is where I am coming from:<br><br>If you look at the articles Barbara posted, assigning a third man would be a great step ...
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