Barb, you are so right about saying how was the
ATC to know what was going on?<br><br>In the
transcripts, it clearly shows this:<br><br>HZ 1:21:40.9 Uh
okay, I am going to take you... Are you able to take a
turn back to the south or do you want to stay closer
to the airport?<br><br>ATC gave Urs Zimmerman a
choice.....the ATC wasn't actually on the plane, so asked the
pilot. The pilot then said he was able to take that turn
to the south. The pilots decision, not ATC's. By
turning down a request to stay closer to the airport, he,
in fact, downplayed the seriousness of the
situation, but that's just my opinion.<br><br>Had he said
"No, no, I need to be as close to the airport as
possible!", then I'm sure ATC would never have sent him out
to sea to dump fuel.
Hello Barbara, <br><br>I believe you follow the Aviation Safety Board? I spend most of my time over there, although I follow the discussions over here as well....
Barb, you are so right about saying how was the ATC to know what was going on?<br><br>In the transcripts, it clearly shows this:<br><br>HZ 1:21:40.9 Uh okay, I...
Just dropping in to say hello and let you all know that I think of you often even if I do not post.We move to the beach in the summer so I am limited to...
Liz,<br><br>My deepest condolances extend to you and your family as well. I wish that we all would never have needed to discuss this. I admire you for your...
...continued...<br><br>In regard to your post: yes, ATC did give them the option of turning to dump fuel or staying close to the airport. They took the option...
Thanks for your response to my posting. But, I should inform you that your condolences are not needed for me. As you are new to the board, you don't know that...
Hi Will,<br><br>I guess I do come over a bit strong. But it has been said by people much more qualified than I that from the PAn call a landing was doable. I...
Hi Nick.<br><br>I was hoping that you would take me up on my offer of trying to debate some of these issues point by point, one thing at a time, to try to ...
Tikouka, One question I would love to have answered is if swissair bothered to tell the MD-11 pilots that they had their entertainment system hooked into the...
Tikouka I have to agree with you on the coffee pot/microwave theory...by the time Zimmerman was heading out to sea he had to know that it wasn't the coffee pot...
Everytime I make statements against the wonderful perfect world of the airline captain, I have to go back and read the CVR from the Canary Islands disaster. ...
I don't think so Nick. Every commercial pilot I have spoken to that knows about the Sr111 disaster seems to be very negative about Urs Zimmerman's decisions or...
I am probably being a little harsh. I will certainly get an ear full if I dared step over to Stuart's board. I bet Bob Chakas can't wait to get into me. ...
Yes, that installation of the IFES certainly looked hurried. Big competition for passengers, eh? I believe Cathay Pacific was one of the first to have the ...
I believe that Air Safety Week reported that swissair was in a BIG hurry to have that system installed.....it was said in two seperate articles that there is a...
Nick, you ask some very important questions. Some of which we have asked as well and we have some answers to based on the Aircraft Design Specs.<br><br>You ...
continued...<br><br>Finally you say "And, do we want to know that Captains are simply automatons that follow the rules because the company says they always ...
Barbara, <br><br>I agree with you 100% on the Entertainment system issue. From what I can tell, the manufacturer (Boeing) recommends how to hook up these...
Cockpit Smoke Brings Widebody Close to Ditching Over Atlantic<br><br><br>On a July 26 flight from the Caribbean to London's Gatwick Airport, the cockpit of a ...
Near-Tragedy Illustrates Shortcomings in Combating In-flight Fires<br><br><br>Had the fire erupted halfway through the night flight from Honolulu, instead of...
Cockpit crew. The presence of an alert, competent third crewmember saved this airplane. Of particular interest, the captain's observation that if this had been...
Not the least, the Delta case illustrates the vulnerability of electrical systems to improper installation. According to preliminary reports, the fire was...
Nick... (sigh!)....<br><br>Yes, I understand your viewpoint. Always have. I agree with it. Yes, taking fire seriously saves lives. Yes the crew of SR111 did...
Barbara, that's a vital point here! Although neither Swissair nor the TSB will release the exact figure, a while back we found an interview with Vic Gerden,...
Nick, I really can't answer that question. I don't have the preofessional training. But I can tell you that I agreee 100% that pilots are NOT perfect, ...
Nick, just like everybody else, you are absolutely welcome on the Aviation Safety Board! We don't hold gruges, or attack people just for fun, really! Maybe you...
Will, you bring up a very good point there, which I hadn;t noticed before: The fact that Zimmerman did actually accept the landing ata Halifax shows that he...
Will Gorgen, let me introduce myself to you and all the others out there, my name is Stephen Thompson and my father Ernest Thompson was on the flight that ...
The thing that bothers me about the entertainment system is in particular a report by Stephen Thorne in the Canadian Press where he quotes a Boeing ...
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