Mark and Barbara,

I wanted to comment that I'm not at all convinced that this person is
who he claims to be, or has the information that he claims to have. I
tried to post these same sentiments here right after "beanspillers"
first post, but for some reason that only Yahoo knows, the post never
made it.

The way I see it, beanspillers post tells us essentially nothing that
we didn't know already, and is wrong on several technical points.

For example, he claims that by law wiring must be installed in
conduit. While this is true of houses, it is NOT true of aircraft.
Wiring is run in the open spaces of the airframe itself, not in
conduit. There is no such requirement as he claims "all of this
wiring was laid bare in the space above the cabin, instead of in
conduit as required by law.". Not true.

He also says "all the A/V equipment was stored in Galley 8 just ahead
of the leading edge of the port wing", but that is NOT where the IFEN
was installed! It was in the overhead of the first class cabin, just
behind the cockpit bulkhead, in the vicinty of doors 1L and 1R. It
was nowhere near the "leading edge of the front wing". That is more
or less where the main power bay is, but NOT where the Audio/Video
(ie, then IFEN), was installed.

Next, he says "The wiring exited the cabin throught the ceiling, and
ran along the top of the cabin bulkhead, and down into the first class
secxtion and to the LCD screens in the back of the headrests in the
first class section. " As far as I know (and I'm not 100% certain on
this), but the LCD screens were NOT installed in the head rests, but
rather mounted on stalks that folded up into the seat frame. If you
think about it, it isn;t much use to have the creen in the head rest
of the seat in front of you in first class: If the person in the seat
in front of you reclines their seat, the LCD screen is now facing the
floor, where you cannot see it. So I'm pretty sure that beanspiller
is wrong on this point too.

Finally, he says: "The temperature in the cockpit was approximately
3000 degrees farenheight. It was so hot, that kevlar was burnt.
Everyone from the cockpit, back to the middle of first class were
unconcious upon impact." There is no way of knowing that for sure,
and the forensic evidence that was mentioned indicates that this is
probably not true. While localized temperatures in the region of
electrical arcing may well have reached temperatures of 3000 degrees,
the interior of the cockpit and cabin could not have. At that
temperature, even aluminium vaporizes, and since the recovery effort
came up with many pieces of aluminium, there could not have been such
high temperatures. Also recall that the sheepskin seatcovers from the
cockpit were recovered, basically in tact, but with molten plastic on
them. Since they were in tact, it is impossible that the temperature
in the cockpit was anything close to 3000 degrees. Not even 300.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy this at all. It seems very suspect. The
kindest thing I can say for this person is that maybe they were leaked
some information, but got it totally confused and didn't understand
it, and garbled it even more in that post.

Stuart




--- In sr111@y..., "markfetherolf" <fetherolf@y...> wrote:
> --- In sr111@y..., "beanspiller_ca" <rburnell@a...> wrote:
> > Ok here goes. The cause of the crash has been identified, but will
> > not be released for some time. How do I know this..?? I have a
> friend
> > who was involved in the aircraft reconstruction in Shearwater. He
> has
> > informed me, that the cause was wiring, but it was not the kapton
> > wiring. It was the wiring for the inflight entertainment system.
It
> > seems that all the A/V equipment was stored in Galley 8 just ahead
> of
> > the leading edge of the port wing. The wiring exited the cabin
> > throught the ceiling, and ran along the top of the cabin bulkhead,
> > and down into the first class secxtion and to the LCD screens in
> the
> > back of the headrests in the first class section. The
investigators
> > discovered that all of this wiring was laid bare in the space
above
> > the cabin, instead of in conduit as required by law. This explains
> > why the flight data and cockpit voice recorders stopped working 6
> and
> > a half minutes before impact. The aircraft hit the water inverted,
> > and on an approximate angle of 79 degrees. The temperature in the
> > cockpit was approximately 3000 degrees farenheight. It was so hot,
> > that kevlar was burnt. Everyone from the cockpit, back to the
> middle
> > of first class were unconcious upon impact. It is not known if or
> > when this will be released. It still has to be accepted by the
> CTSB.
> > I have also seen pictures of some of the debris. I was shown a pic
> of
> > a piece of metal that was very blued and heat distorted. It was
> very
> > obvious that this piece of metal had been exposed to a very high
> heat
> > to look like this. When I asked where it was from, I was told it
> was
> > part of the door frame from the front passenger door behind the
> > cockpit. I hope this helps some people. I'm putting my neck on the
> > line printing this, but you have a right to know.
> >
> > Beanspiller_ca
>
> Please see continued discussion regarding this at
> http://swissair111.org and I want to praise the poster for coming
> forward with this information and invite him to the new sr111 site.
> Barbara