I have been using CS for quite a few years. Recently I was reading

some info online and I am now VERY confused! I have read that there

shouldn't be ANY sea salt used during brewing ... AT ALL. I have been

brewing it with sea salt for years. I also recently changed from 3 , 9

volt batteries to a power supply. I tried a brew session with straight

distilled water (8oz.) , my silver wires , plugged the power supply

in,  set my timer for 30 mins. When the time was up there was NO

discoloration of the water at all.

  Can someone help me out , I am very upset and confused.



  Thanks to all !

--- In silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com, "Gr8lite" <gr8lite@...> wrote:

>

>    I have been using CS for quite a few years. Recently I was reading

> some info online and I am now VERY confused! I have read that there

> shouldn't be ANY sea salt used during brewing ... AT ALL. I have been

> brewing it with sea salt for years. I also recently changed from 3 , 9

> volt batteries to a power supply. I tried a brew session with straight

> distilled water (8oz.) , my silver wires , plugged the power supply

> in,  set my timer for 30 mins. When the time was up there was NO

> discoloration of the water at all.

>  Can someone help me out , I am very upset and confused.

>

>  Thanks to all !

>

Never, ever, use anything and but pure distilled water and. Here is a

good tutorial:



http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm

Greetings and welcome.



The reason that you would want to avoid using anything but distilled water

in your process is two fold:



1.  An abundance of silver which is not bioavailable is deposited into the

water.



2.  An excess of silver compounds are created with the salt and minerals in

the water.  This results in too much dissolved silver in your end solution.

This places you at greater risk of argyria, and greatly effects the

oligodynamic properties of the silver ( and hence, its effectiveness in

smaller doses ).



Kind Regards,



Jason





Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:59 PM

Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] Hello All, newbie w/ questions here ,

Please.........





>   I have been using CS for quite a few years. Recently I was reading

> some info online and I am now VERY confused! I have read that there

> shouldn't be ANY sea salt used during brewing ... AT ALL. I have been

> brewing it with sea salt for years. I also recently changed from 3 , 9

> volt batteries to a power supply. I tried a brew session with straight

> distilled water (8oz.) , my silver wires , plugged the power supply

> in,  set my timer for 30 mins. When the time was up there was NO

> discoloration of the water at all.

> Can someone help me out , I am very upset and confused.

>

> Thanks to all !

>

>

>

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Hi:



Your problem is using pure distilled water that will not conduct low voltage DC.

When I made Ionic silver which you are making, I took a wet toothpick and picked

up one grain of sea salt and added it to



about a pint of distilled water to make it about 5 ppm.  This will conduct low

voltage DC. It is true that you shouldn't  add salt, so I am now making

Colloidal Silver using a high voltage neon transformer



with an underwater arc to produce colloidal silver, gold and platinum.



Bill Amos

























   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Gr8lite

   To: silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:59 PM

   Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] Hello All, newbie w/ questions here ,

Please.........





   I have been using CS for quite a few years. Recently I was reading

   some info online and I am now VERY confused! I have read that there

   shouldn't be ANY sea salt used during brewing ... AT ALL. I have been

   brewing it with sea salt for years. I also recently changed from 3 , 9

   volt batteries to a power supply. I tried a brew session with straight

   distilled water (8oz.) , my silver wires , plugged the power supply

   in, set my timer for 30 mins. When the time was up there was NO

   discoloration of the water at all.

   Can someone help me out , I am very upset and confused.



   Thanks to all !















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I have been making colloidal silver for some time now and there should'nt be any

discoloration of the water using the method you described. During and at the end

of the process if you are in a dark room with a flashlight directed into the

container, you should see a cloud of yellow particles between the electrodes

though. After the particles have become dispersed and if the concentration is

high enough after a few days the end product should display a very light

transparent yellow color, which is what you want when you are using the low

voltage direct curret process with distilled water only and no salt as a

starter.

There is a direct relationship between particle size and current flow, so the

small current you are generating with the low conductivity of the pure distilled

water initially, will produce a very small current which is what you want,

because that is what is making the small particles.. what you want.

The yellow color will be shown if the particle size is between 0.001 - 0.01

microns, and if the particles are smaller than that you will not get the yellow

color and the water will be clear. Just because you cant see the particles, that

doessnt mean they arent there, so dont worry, and be patient and wait to see of

the light yellow shows up after a few days of the finished batch sitting.

If you use the neon sign method you will get the yellow particles but that isnt

really better and is alot more involved. If you try that way you will have

better luck with one gold and one silver electrode.



~Jeff







To: silverdatawebsite@...: gr8lite@...: Tue, 18 Nov

2008 01:59:50 +0000Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] Hello All, newbie w/

questions here , Please.........







I have been using CS for quite a few years. Recently I was readingsome info

online and I am now VERY confused! I have read that thereshouldn't be ANY sea

salt used during brewing ... AT ALL. I have beenbrewing it with sea salt for

years. I also recently changed from 3 , 9volt batteries to a power supply. I

tried a brew session with straightdistilled water (8oz.) , my silver wires ,

plugged the power supplyin, set my timer for 30 mins. When the time was up there

was NOdiscoloration of the water at all. Can someone help me out , I am very

upset and confused. Thanks to all !











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Greetings, and Happy New Year :-)



I recently bought some 300 ppm 'Angstrom Silver", as I have a fungal

sinus infection that the CS I make has not eliminated. I have seen a

study that found CS needs to be 75 ppm or more to kill aspergillus

fumigatus, which is my problem. I have been unable to make CS with a ppm

of greater than around 30 without it falling out of 'solution'.

'Angstrom Silver' is crystal clear, zero Tyndall effect, and tastes very

strongly of silver. Mixing with tap water or adding a grain of salt

creates an immediate cloud of silver chloride. I assume this is purely

ionic silver or there would surely be some Tyndall. Interestingly it

does seem to work - using it as a nasal spray and in my ears, mixed with

DMSO, triggered a serious Herx. I am coming around to thinking that both

particles and ions have an effect, maybe in different ways.



Anyway, I have been wondering how this sort of silver is made. Is this

high voltage AC? Is this something I could make at home?



Paul H

Paul,







I just happened to receive your email, though I have been inactive in the

group for a while. In reading your experience with the  300ppm silver and

DMSO mix you say that you had a serious Herxheimer effect. I am curious as

to how you arrived at the conclusion that it was such an effect and not some

other reaction or irritation caused by the mixture that you are using. I

have never been very brave with the use of chemical mixes that are

recommended over the internet, which do not appear to have some confirmation

by the health and wellness industry in general. I do believe in the

antiseptic qualities of silver and have used up to 18 ppm solutions, along

with D-Mannose, to cure  a bladder infection.







Peter







From: silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul

Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:59 PM

To: silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] Ionic silver







Greetings, and Happy New Year :-)



I recently bought some 300 ppm 'Angstrom Silver", as I have a fungal

sinus infection that the CS I make has not eliminated. I have seen a

study that found CS needs to be 75 ppm or more to kill aspergillus

fumigatus, which is my problem. I have been unable to make CS with a ppm

of greater than around 30 without it falling out of 'solution'.

'Angstrom Silver' is crystal clear, zero Tyndall effect, and tastes very

strongly of silver. Mixing with tap water or adding a grain of salt

creates an immediate cloud of silver chloride. I assume this is purely

ionic silver or there would surely be some Tyndall. Interestingly it

does seem to work - using it as a nasal spray and in my ears, mixed with

DMSO, triggered a serious Herx. I am coming around to thinking that both

particles and ions have an effect, maybe in different ways.



Anyway, I have been wondering how this sort of silver is made. Is this

high voltage AC? Is this something I could make at home?



Paul H











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Peter,



I used a nasal spray with the silver/DMSO mix and put some in my ears.

This was followed by drainage from my sinuses, and soreness down the

side of my neck, then diarrhea. I am (unfortunately) very familiar with

the symptoms of this fungus dying. I'm hoping that this stronger silver

will finish it off completely.



Paul H



Peter Stellas wrote:

> Paul,

>

>

>

> I just happened to receive your email, though I have been inactive in the

> group for a while. In reading your experience with the  300ppm silver and

> DMSO mix you say that you had a serious Herxheimer effect. I am curious as

> to how you arrived at the conclusion that it was such an effect and not some

> other reaction or irritation caused by the mixture that you are using. I

> have never been very brave with the use of chemical mixes that are

> recommended over the internet, which do not appear to have some confirmation

> by the health and wellness industry in general. I do believe in the

> antiseptic qualities of silver and have used up to 18 ppm solutions, along

> with D-Mannose, to cure  a bladder infection.

>

>

>

> Peter

>

>

>

Hi Paul:



The product you are using is a silver citrate.  While silver citrate is very

effectively at higher parts per million, please be aware that additional

risks of argyria are associated with both silver citrates, silver proteins,

and silver nitrates... especially when used intranasally.



I hypothesize that the acidic solution results in rapid uptake through nasal

tissues and directly into the skin of the face.  So if you must use it

intranasally, I strongly recommend that you solve the problem as quickly as

possible.



However, one question I have is:  How were you using your isolated silver

for the infection?



Nine times out of ten, a good quality silver isolate, even with lower PPM,

can be used to address sinus infections of all kinds, provided it is used

correctly.



Kind Regards,



Jason







Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:58 PM

Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] Ionic silver





> Greetings, and Happy New Year :-)

>

> I recently bought some 300 ppm 'Angstrom Silver", as I have a fungal

> sinus infection that the CS I make has not eliminated. I have seen a

> study that found CS needs to be 75 ppm or more to kill aspergillus

> fumigatus, which is my problem. I have been unable to make CS with a ppm

> of greater than around 30 without it falling out of 'solution'.

> 'Angstrom Silver' is crystal clear, zero Tyndall effect, and tastes very

> strongly of silver. Mixing with tap water or adding a grain of salt

> creates an immediate cloud of silver chloride. I assume this is purely

> ionic silver or there would surely be some Tyndall. Interestingly it

> does seem to work - using it as a nasal spray and in my ears, mixed with

> DMSO, triggered a serious Herx. I am coming around to thinking that both

> particles and ions have an effect, maybe in different ways.

>

> Anyway, I have been wondering how this sort of silver is made. Is this

> high voltage AC? Is this something I could make at home?

>

> Paul H

>

>

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3rd time lucky? Sorry about this, PC Tools free Antivirus keeps eating

the text and subject of my emails.



Hi Jason,



Several years ago I developed sinus problems, and tried using home made

EIS in a neti pot, which seemed to help, but didn't solve the problem.

So I tried making a stronger EIS using hot distilled water and leaving

it for much longer. I ended up with a dark yellow liquid - about 30 ppm

using a PWT. Mixing this with a little sea salt (otherwise it burns) I

used a sinus flooding technique - using a syringe to fill my sinuses and

soaking for a few minutes, then snorting it all out. To my surprise and

horror, masses of dark fibrous material came out of my nose. I examined

this material under a microscope, and identified hyphae, fruiting bodies

and spores. Comparing photos I took with those on an on-line mycology

site, I concluded this was aspergillus fumigatus. I also sent some of it

off to a mycology lab (I worked in a hospital lab at the time) and they

cultured aspergillus fumigatus. Several ENT doctors (including a

professor who claims to be a world expert on fungal sinusitis) told me

that it was impossible for aspergillus to be causing me any problems as

I am not immunosuppressed or allergic to aspergillus - I have since been

told by another doctor that this is nonsense. By this time I was

extremely unwell, and was fired from my job for 'incapacity'. I honestly

thought I was going to die - I had seizures and episodes of feeling so

ill I didn't recognize my wife, headaches that completely incapacitated

me for days, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, it was horrible. I continued

using the silver and washing out my nose, experimenting with various

things that I found would kill fungus - various essential oils, Rife,

Godzilla, various zappers and magnetic pulsers, ozone inhalation, too

many things to list, spent a fortune and went deep into debt. I also

explored ways to boost my immune system with supplements, rebounding, qi

gong etc. Eventually I added some hydrogen peroxide and DMSO to my sinus

wash mix, and washed out my sinuses as many as 12 times a day. The

amount of fungus gradually reduced and I began to feel better. That

brings me up to date. I now only wash out 3 times a day but if I stop I

feel sicker and sicker. Incidentally, my wife also has the same

infection, but not as badly. We believe we got it when our car developed

a leak in the sunroof and grew mould on the back seat, which my wife

complained about bitterly, but I wasn't too concerned about - more fool me.



There's a study here that suggests that lower concentrations of silver

don't kill aspergillus niger. I see no reason that aspergillus fumigatus

would be any more susceptible:

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/EMSL/Aniger.pdf.



Thanks for the advice about argyria. I'll keep an eye on my fingernails

- it first appears there I believe. I take 5 grams of vitamin C 3 times

a day, and over 200 ug selenium, so hopefully that will minimise the

chances of argyria. Frankly I would rather be bright blue and healthy

than have to live with this illness.



Any suggestions on better ways to use EIS would be gratefully received.

I also have a Silver Puppy to make EIS.



I am now seeing a different ENT who is taking this seriously, and

actually took an interest in my photos of the fungus. Other doctors have

looked away and said "I don't believe in that"! They have suggested

exploratory surgery under anaesthetic, which I might consider - it

depends on the results of CT and MRI scans I have next week. Thankfully

I am in the UK and get medical treatment free.



Best wishes,



Paul H





Jason R Eaton wrote:

> Hi Paul:

>

> The product you are using is a silver citrate.  While silver citrate

> is very effectively at higher parts per million, please be aware that

> additional risks of argyria are associated with both silver citrates,

> silver proteins, and silver nitrates... especially when used

> intranasally.

>

> I hypothesize that the acidic solution results in rapid uptake through

> nasal tissues and directly into the skin of the face.  So if you must

> use it intranasally, I strongly recommend that you solve the problem

> as quickly as possible.

>

> However, one question I have is:  How were you using your isolated

> silver for the infection?

>

> Nine times out of ten, a good quality silver isolate, even with lower

> PPM, can be used to address sinus infections of all kinds, provided it

> is used correctly.

>

> Kind Regards,

>

> Jason

>

You may want to try salt with bicarbonate of soda in the neti pot.  The

bicarbonate of soda is supposed to kill off fungus.



I don't think I would add the EIS to the bicarbonate of soda, just do it at a

different time if you want.



See: http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/



Dr Simoncini feels that cancer is caused by a fungus and uses bicarbonate of

soda to treat it.  Regardless of whether cancer is caused by fungus or not, the

bicarbonate of soda seems to kill fungus.



Dan



--- In silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com, Paul <experiences@...> wrote:

>

> 3rd time lucky? Sorry about this, PC Tools free Antivirus keeps eating

> the text and subject of my emails.

>

> Hi Jason,

>

> Several years ago I developed sinus problems, and tried using home made

> EIS in a neti pot, which seemed to help, but didn't solve the problem.

> So I tried making a stronger EIS using hot distilled water and leaving

> it for much longer. I ended up with a dark yellow liquid - about 30 ppm

> using a PWT. Mixing this with a little sea salt (otherwise it burns) I

> used a sinus flooding technique - using a syringe to fill my sinuses and

> soaking for a few minutes, then snorting it all out. To my surprise and

> horror, masses of dark fibrous material came out of my nose. I examined

> this material under a microscope, and identified hyphae, fruiting bodies

> and spores. Comparing photos I took with those on an on-line mycology

> site, I concluded this was aspergillus fumigatus. I also sent some of it

> off to a mycology lab (I worked in a hospital lab at the time) and they

> cultured aspergillus fumigatus. Several ENT doctors (including a

> professor who claims to be a world expert on fungal sinusitis) told me

> that it was impossible for aspergillus to be causing me any problems as

> I am not immunosuppressed or allergic to aspergillus - I have since been

> told by another doctor that this is nonsense. By this time I was

> extremely unwell, and was fired from my job for 'incapacity'. I honestly

> thought I was going to die - I had seizures and episodes of feeling so

> ill I didn't recognize my wife, headaches that completely incapacitated

> me for days, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, it was horrible. I continued

> using the silver and washing out my nose, experimenting with various

> things that I found would kill fungus - various essential oils, Rife,

> Godzilla, various zappers and magnetic pulsers, ozone inhalation, too

> many things to list, spent a fortune and went deep into debt. I also

> explored ways to boost my immune system with supplements, rebounding, qi

> gong etc. Eventually I added some hydrogen peroxide and DMSO to my sinus

> wash mix, and washed out my sinuses as many as 12 times a day. The

> amount of fungus gradually reduced and I began to feel better. That

> brings me up to date. I now only wash out 3 times a day but if I stop I

> feel sicker and sicker. Incidentally, my wife also has the same

> infection, but not as badly. We believe we got it when our car developed

> a leak in the sunroof and grew mould on the back seat, which my wife

> complained about bitterly, but I wasn't too concerned about - more fool me.

>

> There's a study here that suggests that lower concentrations of silver

> don't kill aspergillus niger. I see no reason that aspergillus fumigatus

> would be any more susceptible:

> http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/EMSL/Aniger.pdf.

>

> Thanks for the advice about argyria. I'll keep an eye on my fingernails

> - it first appears there I believe. I take 5 grams of vitamin C 3 times

> a day, and over 200 ug selenium, so hopefully that will minimise the

> chances of argyria. Frankly I would rather be bright blue and healthy

> than have to live with this illness.

>

> Any suggestions on better ways to use EIS would be gratefully received.

> I also have a Silver Puppy to make EIS.

>

> I am now seeing a different ENT who is taking this seriously, and

> actually took an interest in my photos of the fungus. Other doctors have

> looked away and said "I don't believe in that"! They have suggested

> exploratory surgery under anaesthetic, which I might consider - it

> depends on the results of CT and MRI scans I have next week. Thankfully

> I am in the UK and get medical treatment free.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Paul H

>

>

> Jason R Eaton wrote:

> > Hi Paul:

> >

> > The product you are using is a silver citrate.  While silver citrate

> > is very effectively at higher parts per million, please be aware that

> > additional risks of argyria are associated with both silver citrates,

> > silver proteins, and silver nitrates... especially when used

> > intranasally.

> >

> > I hypothesize that the acidic solution results in rapid uptake through

> > nasal tissues and directly into the skin of the face.  So if you must

> > use it intranasally, I strongly recommend that you solve the problem

> > as quickly as possible.

> >

> > However, one question I have is:  How were you using your isolated

> > silver for the infection?

> >

> > Nine times out of ten, a good quality silver isolate, even with lower

> > PPM, can be used to address sinus infections of all kinds, provided it

> > is used correctly.

> >

> > Kind Regards,

> >

> > Jason

> >

>

Hi Dan,



Thanks, but I have used bicarbonate of soda, daily for years, but it

didn't help much, unfortunately.

I still use a little added to my sinus mix. Aspergillus is nasty stuff.

I have read of people whose houses have been infested with it actually

burning down their houses because they couldn't get rid of the stuff.



After seeing an ENT doctor a while ago who was adamant that aspergillus

couldn't be causing my problems, I stopped washing out my sinuses at all

for a few weeks again, but again I got sicker and sicker. I just saw my

GP who agrees with me and is looking for an infectious disease

specialist who may be able to help.

At present I am soaking my sinuses with a mixture of 300ppm Angstrom

silver, that Jason tells me is silver citrate, with a squirt of DMSO,

which reduces burning and opens the sinuses. I lie on my back and fill

my sinuses with this mixture and read a book for about 20 minutes, then

turn over and soak head down for a similar time. Then an hour or so

after that I do my normal wash out with very dark colloidal silver,

which removes fungus. I have been doing this for 4 days now and only a

little fungus washes out now. Hopefully that means this is working.



Paul H







bhangchai wrote:

> You may want to try salt with bicarbonate of soda in the neti pot.  The

bicarbonate of soda is supposed to kill off fungus.

>

> I don't think I would add the EIS to the bicarbonate of soda, just do it at a

different time if you want.

>

> See: http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

>

> Dr Simoncini feels that cancer is caused by a fungus and uses bicarbonate of

soda to treat it.  Regardless of whether cancer is caused by fungus or not, the

bicarbonate of soda seems to kill fungus.

>

> Dan

>

>

Paul H,



You might try adding 2 drops of Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) to your sinus

flush (in 8 oz. of water)-- GSE kills most yeast, fungus, Candida ect.-- But,

for sinuses I have had good luck with just saline and GSE twice a day and when

you get the fungus under control reduce the saline to 75% (cuts down on salt

irritation). Saline is one teaspoon of salt in 8 oz. of water-- 75% is 3/4

teaspoon . I use bottled water not distilled because distilled eventually

leaches the minerals out of your skin and makes things worse. Also, BE WARNED, I

would never add salt and silver together.



J. Daniel



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Thanks J, but I used GSE daily for years - then I found out the minimum

inhibitory concentration for aspergillus fumigatus is 300ppm

(http://bobosplayhouse.com/about_gse.html) which I find irritates my

nose intolerably.

I think that 2 drops in 8 ounces is (very) approximately 1 in 7000 or

about 150 parts per million [that's assuming 30 drops to one ml, and 8

ounces = 250 ml], and the commercially available stuff is already

diluted I think. Also, this concentration will just stop the stuff

growing. It's the minimum lethal concentration that is relevant, which

would be higher.



I have tried a huge number of things, from ozone inhalation to hydrogen

peroxide to oregano oil, and many others. Most of these things irritate

the sinuses badly at a concentration that will kill aspergillus. Most of

them I became sensitised to after a while, like oregano oil. Hydrogen

peroxide at the right concentration (3 drops in 10 mls of 3% I can

tolerate) isn't too bad, but I used that for a long time and it didn't

eliminate the fungus. That's why I am enthusiastic about silver citrate,

which should kill aspergillus at less than 100ppm yet 300ppm doesn't

irritate my sinuses too badly. There must surely be a point at which I

can reduce the fungus to a level which my immune system can deal with.



I know that MAKING colloidal silver with salt is a bad idea, but why is

mixing them later a bad idea? I have found that when I add a little salt

to my dark CS it takes a while, more than an hour, for them to react

(the dark colour disappears - no white precipitate so not silver

chloride, who knows what happens), and without it CS burns my sinuses

and they swell and my nose is blocked for days. Adding even a tiny grain

of salt to the Angstrom silver immediately generates a white precipitate

(silver chloride I assume) which is why I add DMSO instead.



Incidentally, Jason, if you are reading this, where do you think I would

see the first signs of argyria induced by silver absorbed through my

nasal mucosa? I know that the fingernails are the first to show signs

from ingestion. So far I'm not blue or grey externally, though my ENT

commented my nasal mucosa are grey. I'm sure that's from the dark

colloidal (ionic) silver, not the silver citrate. Time will tell I suppose.



Paul H



U4ia wrote:

> Paul H,

>

> You might try adding 2 drops of Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) to your sinus

flush (in 8 oz. of water)-- GSE kills most yeast, fungus, Candida ect.-- But,

for sinuses I have had good luck with just saline and GSE twice a day and when

you get the fungus under control reduce the saline to 75% (cuts down on salt

irritation). Saline is one teaspoon of salt in 8 oz. of water-- 75% is 3/4

teaspoon . I use bottled water not distilled because distilled eventually

leaches the minerals out of your skin and makes things worse. Also, BE WARNED, I

would never add salt and silver together.

>

> J. Daniel

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Hi Paul:



Unfortunately, based upon people who have acquired argyria with silver

protein nasal sprays, argyria would most likely first show up on the face

when acquired via intranasal use.



I agree with you; there is no actual danger of mixing CS with salt after the

production process, although it is possible that it could reduce the

effectiveness.



Hopefully, you'll be able to wipe out the infection.



Best Regards,



Jason



----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul" <experiences@...>

To: <silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: [ silvermedicine.org ] Re: Ionic silver





> Thanks J, but I used GSE daily for years - then I found out the minimum

> inhibitory concentration for aspergillus fumigatus is 300ppm

> (http://bobosplayhouse.com/about_gse.html) which I find irritates my

> nose intolerably.

> I think that 2 drops in 8 ounces is (very) approximately 1 in 7000 or

> about 150 parts per million [that's assuming 30 drops to one ml, and 8

> ounces = 250 ml], and the commercially available stuff is already

> diluted I think. Also, this concentration will just stop the stuff

> growing. It's the minimum lethal concentration that is relevant, which

> would be higher.

>

> I have tried a huge number of things, from ozone inhalation to hydrogen

> peroxide to oregano oil, and many others. Most of these things irritate

> the sinuses badly at a concentration that will kill aspergillus. Most of

> them I became sensitised to after a while, like oregano oil. Hydrogen

> peroxide at the right concentration (3 drops in 10 mls of 3% I can

> tolerate) isn't too bad, but I used that for a long time and it didn't

> eliminate the fungus. That's why I am enthusiastic about silver citrate,

> which should kill aspergillus at less than 100ppm yet 300ppm doesn't

> irritate my sinuses too badly. There must surely be a point at which I

> can reduce the fungus to a level which my immune system can deal with.

>

> I know that MAKING colloidal silver with salt is a bad idea, but why is

> mixing them later a bad idea? I have found that when I add a little salt

> to my dark CS it takes a while, more than an hour, for them to react

> (the dark colour disappears - no white precipitate so not silver

> chloride, who knows what happens), and without it CS burns my sinuses

> and they swell and my nose is blocked for days. Adding even a tiny grain

> of salt to the Angstrom silver immediately generates a white precipitate

> (silver chloride I assume) which is why I add DMSO instead.

>

> Incidentally, Jason, if you are reading this, where do you think I would

> see the first signs of argyria induced by silver absorbed through my

> nasal mucosa? I know that the fingernails are the first to show signs

> from ingestion. So far I'm not blue or grey externally, though my ENT

> commented my nasal mucosa are grey. I'm sure that's from the dark

> colloidal (ionic) silver, not the silver citrate. Time will tell I

> suppose.

>

> Paul H

>

> U4ia wrote:

>> Paul H,

>>

>> You might try adding 2 drops of Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) to your

>> sinus flush (in 8 oz. of water)-- GSE kills most yeast, fungus, Candida

>> ect.-- But, for sinuses I have had good luck with just saline and GSE

>> twice a day and when you get the fungus under control reduce the saline

>> to 75% (cuts down on salt irritation). Saline is one teaspoon of salt in

>> 8 oz. of water-- 75% is 3/4 teaspoon . I use bottled water not distilled

>> because distilled eventually leaches the minerals out of your skin and

>> makes things worse. Also, BE WARNED, I would never add salt and silver

>> together.

>>

>> J. Daniel

>>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>>

>

>

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Thanks Jason.

There is no sign at all of argyria as yet, but I will keep a close eye

on my face.

I'm quite confident I will eliminate this infection eventually.



Best wishes,



Paul



Jason R Eaton wrote:

> Hi Paul:

>

> Unfortunately, based upon people who have acquired argyria with silver

> protein nasal sprays, argyria would most likely first show up on the face

> when acquired via intranasal use.

>

> I agree with you; there is no actual danger of mixing CS with salt after the

> production process, although it is possible that it could reduce the

> effectiveness.

>

> Hopefully, you'll be able to wipe out the infection.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Jason

>

>

ss, 1969

Hi Folks,

I TOTALLY agree with Jason.

Using Silver nasal sprays is a big no, no.

Factually, we have found that making a simple solution of salt. (not iodised or

any salt that has been treated in any form) works very well.

Rock salt, (Kosher salt) is second on our list.

What we do is to mix the salt down until the water becomes saturated..ie when no

more salt will be absorbed.

This mixture is then again divided in half with pure water.

To apply one needs to inhale the water via a spray or in cupping one's hands and

sniffing it up.

The last way is the best we have found.

I must say that is quite a horrible feeling as one feels like you are drowning!

Alternatively,and this is our BEST solution, if you live near the sea,  go out

away from the beach, away from where the surf breaks and sniff the sea water up.

One nostril at a time. You will experience a burning sensation and again the

"drowning feeling". Remember to do only one side at a time

After a while you will then notice a discharge from the nostrils, blow out all

you can.

this really works and you'll find breathing becomes really good.

I all our lives we have found the following. "Don't give bad advice to folk, as,

the bad will come back and bite you"

Please try this and proove we are wrong.

Terry A.

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Paul

   To: silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:51 PM

   Subject: Re: [ silvermedicine.org ] Re: Ionic silver











   Thanks Jason.

   There is no sign at all of argyria as yet, but I will keep a close eye

   on my face.

   I'm quite confident I will eliminate this infection eventually.



   Best wishes,



   Paul



   Jason R Eaton wrote:

   > Hi Paul:

   >

   > Unfortunately, based upon people who have acquired argyria with silver

   > protein nasal sprays, argyria would most likely first show up on the face

   > when acquired via intranasal use.

   >

   > I agree with you; there is no actual danger of mixing CS with salt after the

   > production process, although it is possible that it could reduce the

   > effectiveness.

   >

   > Hopefully, you'll be able to wipe out the infection.

   >

   > Best Regards,

   >

   > Jason

   >

   >

   ss, 1969











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Terry,



      I've used CS in my nose for years with no problems.  Of course I only

use pure CS made from distilled water and .999 silver with no salts or

anything else added.  Never had a problem.



Bob

----- Original Message -----

From: "Terry Anderson" <pyro@...>

To: <silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 AM

Subject: Re: [ silvermedicine.org ] Re: Ionic silver





> Hi Folks,

> I TOTALLY agree with Jason.

> Using Silver nasal sprays is a big no, no.

> Factually, we have found that making a simple solution of salt. (not

> iodised or any salt that has been treated in any form) works very well.

> Rock salt, (Kosher salt) is second on our list.

> What we do is to mix the salt down until the water becomes saturated..ie

> when no more salt will be absorbed.

> This mixture is then again divided in half with pure water.

> To apply one needs to inhale the water via a spray or in cupping one's

> hands and sniffing it up.

> The last way is the best we have found.

> I must say that is quite a horrible feeling as one feels like you are

> drowning!

> Alternatively,and this is our BEST solution, if you live near the sea,  go

> out away from the beach, away from where the surf breaks and sniff the sea

> water up. One nostril at a time. You will experience a burning sensation

> and again the "drowning feeling". Remember to do only one side at a time

> After a while you will then notice a discharge from the nostrils, blow out

> all you can.

> this really works and you'll find breathing becomes really good.

> I all our lives we have found the following. "Don't give bad advice to

> folk, as, the bad will come back and bite you"

> Please try this and proove we are wrong.

> Terry A.

>  ----- Original Message -----

>  From: Paul

>  To: silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com

>  Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:51 PM

>  Subject: Re: [ silvermedicine.org ] Re: Ionic silver

>

>

>

>

>

>  Thanks Jason.

>  There is no sign at all of argyria as yet, but I will keep a close eye

>  on my face.

>  I'm quite confident I will eliminate this infection eventually.

>

>  Best wishes,

>

>  Paul

>

>  Jason R Eaton wrote:

>  > Hi Paul:

>  >

>  > Unfortunately, based upon people who have acquired argyria with silver

>  > protein nasal sprays, argyria would most likely first show up on the

> face

>  > when acquired via intranasal use.

>  >

>  > I agree with you; there is no actual danger of mixing CS with salt

> after the

>  > production process, although it is possible that it could reduce the

>  > effectiveness.

>  >

>  > Hopefully, you'll be able to wipe out the infection.

>  >

>  > Best Regards,

>  >

>  > Jason

>  >

>  >

>  ss, 1969

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

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I've been using home made CS up my nose pretty much daily for the last 7

years or so, so I'm pretty sure it won't cause too many problems.

My concern is with the 300 ppm Angstrom silver (silver citrate) I am now

using.



I used saline and saline with sodium bicarbonate as Terry suggests

before I started using CS. I agree, this works great for most sinus

infections, colds etc. In the end I made a sort of high tech neti pot,

using an enema kit - saline goes in the bag and I used one of those

rubber things that cashiers use to count banknotes turned inside out

with a hole in it so it fits up my nose glued to the hose. I think that

aspergillus and possibly other fungal infections are at least an order

of magnitude more difficult to get rid of than bacterial infections.



Don't ignore fungus in your home, car or workplace! It could ruin your life!



Paul H





Bob Banever wrote:

> Terry,

>

>      I've used CS in my nose for years with no problems.  Of course I only

> use pure CS made from distilled water and .999 silver with no salts or

> anything else added.  Never had a problem.

>

> Bob

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Terry Anderson" <pyro@...>

> To: <silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 AM

> Subject: Re: [ silvermedicine.org ] Re: Ionic silver

>

>