You can put a fish in CS water but don't put CS in the tank.

Ode


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>
>Fish and CS do not mix. Not a good idea to put in your aquarium.
>You will upset the balance and kill the fish!
>
>-> I tried to give some homemade collodial silver to a beta fish that
>-> had a disease but he didn't make it .
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Doesn't mater. My point is fish require a delicate balance of
bacteria in the water. CS upsets that balance by killing it off.

-> ---It wasn't an aquarium.  The beta was already sick and I was trying
-> to get him better. Someone bought him for me he was sick when he came
-> home.
-> He came from the local large chain stores that you don't usually buy
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---It wasn't an aquarium.  The beta was already sick and I was trying
to get him better. Someone bought him for me he was sick when he came
home.
He came from the local large chain stores that you don't usually buy
fish at if you want healthy ones.



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> Fish and CS do not mix. Not a good idea to put in your aquarium.
> You will upset the balance and kill the fish!
>
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> -> had a disease but he didn't make it .
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Fish and CS do not mix. Not a good idea to put in your aquarium.
You will upset the balance and kill the fish!

-> I tried to give some homemade collodial silver to a beta fish that
-> had a disease but he didn't make it .


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-I make it in a pint jar.  Someone mentioned cleaning the wires with
peroxide and that worked great.

I made a jar last night and after heating the water in a corning
glass dish I  poured it into the jar and put the electrodes in and
let it get jucied for about 30 minutes it is a deep yellow and a
little taste.  The wires were corroded but one was more black  than
the other.
My cat is getting old and I needed to make some for her and then
because of lyme I am going to try and take more again.

Just some comments.  I live in the country with horses and a dog and
cat.  The dog is about 14 yrs and he still acts like a young dog, he
is a part border collie so with all the black on him other than the
grey hair on his face he is youthful.  The only vaccinations he has
had are Rabies.  Other than the rabies shot and then I do get him
wormed periodically at the vet he has never been sick except once.

   The time that he did need a vet he was constipated.

  And the cat is the same way she still hunts mice out in the pasture
I see her every morning with her head stuck up out of the grass and
she is hunting.  She is getting to show her age I think she is about
12 or 13 but she has not been vacinated except rabies and a worming
every few months from the vet.  Both live outside and I have been
told that for a barn cat she is old.  I have given them both
collodial silver and today I sneaked  some clay in with her silver.

I tried to give some homemade collodial silver to a beta fish that
had a disease but he didn't make it .



-- In silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com, Ben Kanis <kanisben@y...>
wrote:
> hi,
> cleaning the silver  with kitchenpaper is enough.
> forget about the words.
> adapter indeed is cheaper then batteries
> 10 minutes in how much water? A cup?
> Heating is stirring. You can use a tealight under the
> jar.
> Choose any machine.
> Depends on the money you can spare.
> Aks what you want to know.
> greetings, benka
>
> --- sae <irishdrought2003@y...> wrote:
>
> > I don't understand any of those words anode,
> > cathode, agglomeration.
> > I bought this Silver Pulsar from Sota in Canada
> > about 5 years ago.
> >
> > I use it for two different things and one is to make
> > c silver.
> >
> > I use distilled water, and after I bought it they
> > said if I would buy
> > this thing at Radio Shake it would save batteries so
> > I have this
> > thing that says 9V 300mA Power Adapter.
> >
> > I heat the distilled water then put it into a clean
> > jar with  the
> > silver wires.  I think the directions said to leave
> > them about 10 or
> > 15 minutes.
> > When I do I don't see much change in the water and
> > the wires don't
> > get to black.   Use to one was black and not the
> > other.
> > I started leaving them longer and now it seems they
> > are both black.
> >
> > I don't make it as often because the wires are hard
> > to clean.  There
> > is a build up of the flakey black on the wires when
> > I leave it for a
> > long time.
> >
> > I have lyme disease and didn't know until dec.  I
> > had sevier fatigue
> > for many many years  I saw lots of Drs, and did not
> > know anything
> > about lyme until the positive western blot.
> >
> >   This device will attach to your wrist and as the
> > blood passes it
> > will clean up any pathogens.
> >
> > It has helped me a lot with the flue like weakness
> > but not fatigue.
> >
> > All these years I didn't know I had lyme and I have
> > spent a lot of
> > money that I don't have anymore.  I did everything
> > that came along.
> >
> > Collodial Silver was one thing that would help when
> > I bought it at
> > the health food store.  Usually Solary was the brand
> > in stock.
> >
> > I want to make more C Silver but I also wanted to
> > maybe buy something
> > else to make it with after reading about some of the
> > other machines.
> >
> > I am also taking antibiotics and did not want to but
> > I have done so
> > many holistic things and was still sick that I
> > decided to go ahead
> > and try them.
> >
> > I am losing more of my muscles and my head is
> > affected by this.
> > I hope that I can understand enough to learn how to
> > do what you all
> > are talking about.
> >  This  device from Sota does look like it changes
> > the direction of
> > the current.  Maybe, I don't know I hardly know a
> > watt from a volt.
> >
> > Thanks any advice is very much appreciated.
> >
> > Sandy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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hi,
cleaning the silver  with kitchenpaper is enough.
forget about the words.
adapter indeed is cheaper then batteries
10 minutes in how much water? A cup?
Heating is stirring. You can use a tealight under the
jar.
Choose any machine.
Depends on the money you can spare.
Aks what you want to know.
greetings, benka

--- sae <irishdrought2003@...> wrote:

> I don't understand any of those words anode,
> cathode, agglomeration.
> I bought this Silver Pulsar from Sota in Canada
> about 5 years ago.
>
> I use it for two different things and one is to make
> c silver.
>
> I use distilled water, and after I bought it they
> said if I would buy
> this thing at Radio Shake it would save batteries so
> I have this
> thing that says 9V 300mA Power Adapter.
>
> I heat the distilled water then put it into a clean
> jar with  the
> silver wires.  I think the directions said to leave
> them about 10 or
> 15 minutes.
> When I do I don't see much change in the water and
> the wires don't
> get to black.   Use to one was black and not the
> other.
> I started leaving them longer and now it seems they
> are both black.
>
> I don't make it as often because the wires are hard
> to clean.  There
> is a build up of the flakey black on the wires when
> I leave it for a
> long time.
>
> I have lyme disease and didn't know until dec.  I
> had sevier fatigue
> for many many years  I saw lots of Drs, and did not
> know anything
> about lyme until the positive western blot.
>
>   This device will attach to your wrist and as the
> blood passes it
> will clean up any pathogens.
>
> It has helped me a lot with the flue like weakness
> but not fatigue.
>
> All these years I didn't know I had lyme and I have
> spent a lot of
> money that I don't have anymore.  I did everything
> that came along.
>
> Collodial Silver was one thing that would help when
> I bought it at
> the health food store.  Usually Solary was the brand
> in stock.
>
> I want to make more C Silver but I also wanted to
> maybe buy something
> else to make it with after reading about some of the
> other machines.
>
> I am also taking antibiotics and did not want to but
> I have done so
> many holistic things and was still sick that I
> decided to go ahead
> and try them.
>
> I am losing more of my muscles and my head is
> affected by this.
> I hope that I can understand enough to learn how to
> do what you all
> are talking about.
>  This  device from Sota does look like it changes
> the direction of
> the current.  Maybe, I don't know I hardly know a
> watt from a volt.
>
> Thanks any advice is very much appreciated.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Sandy, Go to    www.silverpuppy.com   you can but a silver machine that does
work, my husband has crohns and has been drinking silver about a year, and hasnt
took any medicine. give that site a try, im sure you will be happy with the
results. Karn

sae <irishdrought2003@...> wrote:I don't understand any of those words
anode, cathode, agglomeration.
I bought this Silver Pulsar from Sota in Canada about 5 years ago.

I use it for two different things and one is to make c silver.

I use distilled water, and after I bought it they said if I would buy
this thing at Radio Shake it would save batteries so I have this
thing that says 9V 300mA Power Adapter.

I heat the distilled water then put it into a clean jar with  the
silver wires.  I think the directions said to leave them about 10 or
15 minutes.
When I do I don't see much change in the water and the wires don't
get to black.   Use to one was black and not the other.
I started leaving them longer and now it seems they are both black.

I don't make it as often because the wires are hard to clean.  There
is a build up of the flakey black on the wires when I leave it for a
long time.

I have lyme disease and didn't know until dec.  I had sevier fatigue
for many many years  I saw lots of Drs, and did not know anything
about lyme until the positive western blot.

   This device will attach to your wrist and as the blood passes it
will clean up any pathogens.

It has helped me a lot with the flue like weakness but not fatigue.

All these years I didn't know I had lyme and I have spent a lot of
money that I don't have anymore.  I did everything that came along.

Collodial Silver was one thing that would help when I bought it at
the health food store.  Usually Solary was the brand in stock.

I want to make more C Silver but I also wanted to maybe buy something
else to make it with after reading about some of the other machines.

I am also taking antibiotics and did not want to but I have done so
many holistic things and was still sick that I decided to go ahead
and try them.

I am losing more of my muscles and my head is affected by this.
I hope that I can understand enough to learn how to do what you all
are talking about.
This  device from Sota does look like it changes the direction of
the current.  Maybe, I don't know I hardly know a watt from a volt.

Thanks any advice is very much appreciated.

Sandy








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Hi Selvan:

My husband constructed a colloidal silver unit with batteries, cables, silver
rods etc for about $50.  It works like a charm and how do I know that?  I have a
dog whose bowels were severally affected by Parvo when he was 9 months old. 
Without CS he just does not do well with food.  I also have a dog here who had a
small puncture wound on his back which I have been treating with CS and it has
cleared up nicely (after showing signs of infection).  My husband also uses CS
for himself and although we haven't "tested" it in a lab we know it is working
by the success rate of the little things which we are using it too heal. We
judge it to be about 5 ppm in taste comparisons to the original bottle we
bought.



Kathleen & Gord Pollock
Harley, Norton, Gus, Lance & Cooper
Near Belleville, Ontario CANADA
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Selvam Mariappan
   To: silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:56 PM
   Subject: Re: [ silvermedicine.org ] Is the Silver I am making OK?


   The ultimate proof of making a good colloidal silver is in its effectiveness
   against any of the known pathogens that we are confronted with.
   I believe everyone would agree that that should be one of our main goals.

   It is interesting to note however( at least based on what I have observed so
   far) that no one on this forum has ever tested their colloidal silver in a
   proper laboratory using recognised testing parameters for its safety and
   germ-killing ability, and then posted their lab test results for all to see.

   What is the whole point of 'knowing what you're making' when you don't know
   for sure that 'what you're making' actually works??

   It is good to note that there are people amongst us ( like 'Ole Bob) who are
   generous enough to contribute their knowledge and experience in the process
   of making a good colloidal silver.

   I use a DMM and I must say that without it I wouldn't have had a chance of
   making 5PPM colloidal silver, and after sitting in a plastic bottle for
   nearly 2 years, still tested 5PPM in a lab!

   Cordially,
   Selvam


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The whole point, for many, is to have an inexpensive remedy/preventative on
hand. I came up with a simple design that costs very little to put together,
yet yields excellent results.

True, I haven't had it tested in a laboratory, but from my early experiences
using higher voltage, it's easy to tell how superior my product has been
since learning that 18V DC gets you very close to optimal current. Brews
clear, stays clear indefinitely, and (by my approximate testing method),
batches are consistently over 12PPM, often over 20.

The beauty of it is that you don't have to consult anyone to find out what
the offending pathogen is -- you simply manage to prevent infection or clear
it up quickly, bypassing the medical/pharmaceutical industry entirely.

For me to pay someone to test my cs would go against the entire principle --
never mind that I don't have the funds for it. It's about being able to take
your health into your own hands -- staying well while others are down with
flu, eradicating the mycoplasma that any given doctor probably hasn't heard
of, never needing a prescription for antibiotics, etc -- all for next to
nothing.

I might have liked to have purchased something like the SilverPuppy, but
necessity insisted I create my own gen. While I was at it, I happened to ask
the right questions of the right person, cut my voltage down to 18...

...and have since wired up a few examples of this bare-bones design to send
to others. It works.

Of course if any hard-core experimenters out there would like to replicate
my design and process, and test the results, that would be great. I'd like
to see how it stacks up.


- fil (Phil Smith) [)o.]
  www.unifiedsettlement.org <http://www.unifiedsettlement.org>


On 6/28/05, Selvam:
>
> The ultimate proof of making a good colloidal silver is in its
> effectiveness
> against any of the known pathogens that we are confronted with.
> I believe everyone would agree that that should be one of our main goals.
>
> It is interesting to note however( at least based on what I have observed
> so
> far) that no one on this forum has ever tested their colloidal silver in a
> proper laboratory using recognised testing parameters for its safety and
> germ-killing ability, and then posted their lab test results for all to
> see.
>
> What is the whole point of 'knowing what you're making' when you don't
> know
> for sure that 'what you're making' actually works??
>
> It is good to note that there are people amongst us ( like 'Ole Bob) who
> are
> generous enough to contribute their knowledge and experience in the
> process
> of making a good colloidal silver.
>
> I use a DMM and I must say that without it I wouldn't have had a chance of
> making 5PPM colloidal silver, and after sitting in a plastic bottle for
> nearly 2 years, still tested 5PPM in a lab!
>
> Cordially,
> Selvam
>
>


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I don't understand any of those words anode, cathode, agglomeration.
I bought this Silver Pulsar from Sota in Canada about 5 years ago.

I use it for two different things and one is to make c silver.

I use distilled water, and after I bought it they said if I would buy
this thing at Radio Shake it would save batteries so I have this
thing that says 9V 300mA Power Adapter.

I heat the distilled water then put it into a clean jar with  the
silver wires.  I think the directions said to leave them about 10 or
15 minutes.
When I do I don't see much change in the water and the wires don't
get to black.   Use to one was black and not the other.
I started leaving them longer and now it seems they are both black.

I don't make it as often because the wires are hard to clean.  There
is a build up of the flakey black on the wires when I leave it for a
long time.

I have lyme disease and didn't know until dec.  I had sevier fatigue
for many many years  I saw lots of Drs, and did not know anything
about lyme until the positive western blot.

   This device will attach to your wrist and as the blood passes it
will clean up any pathogens.

It has helped me a lot with the flue like weakness but not fatigue.

All these years I didn't know I had lyme and I have spent a lot of
money that I don't have anymore.  I did everything that came along.

Collodial Silver was one thing that would help when I bought it at
the health food store.  Usually Solary was the brand in stock.

I want to make more C Silver but I also wanted to maybe buy something
else to make it with after reading about some of the other machines.

I am also taking antibiotics and did not want to but I have done so
many holistic things and was still sick that I decided to go ahead
and try them.

I am losing more of my muscles and my head is affected by this.
I hope that I can understand enough to learn how to do what you all
are talking about.
  This  device from Sota does look like it changes the direction of
the current.  Maybe, I don't know I hardly know a watt from a volt.

Thanks any advice is very much appreciated.

Sandy

The ultimate proof of making a good colloidal silver is in its effectiveness
against any of the known pathogens that we are confronted with.
I believe everyone would agree that that should be one of our main goals.

It is interesting to note however( at least based on what I have observed so
far) that no one on this forum has ever tested their colloidal silver in a
proper laboratory using recognised testing parameters for its safety and
germ-killing ability, and then posted their lab test results for all to see.

What is the whole point of 'knowing what you're making' when you don't know
for sure that 'what you're making' actually works??

It is good to note that there are people amongst us ( like 'Ole Bob) who are
generous enough to contribute their knowledge and experience in the process
of making a good colloidal silver.

I use a DMM and I must say that without it I wouldn't have had a chance of
making 5PPM colloidal silver, and after sitting in a plastic bottle for
nearly 2 years, still tested 5PPM in a lab!

Cordially,
Selvam

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From: "Phil Smith" <filsmyth@...>
To: <silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ silvermedicine.org ] Is the Silver I am making OK?


> By 'DMM' I guess you mean digital multimeter? I prefer an analog
> multimeter,
> used externally -- and only before and after generation, to compare
> resistance for approximation of PPM.
>
> My anode doesn't turn black. The cathode, however, does darken to a deeper
> shade of grey (as it is on the cathode that oxidation forms, if I don't
> manage to stop it in time).
>
> I have observed better conductivity after cleaning my electrodes.
>
> Please don't tell me I have no idea what I'm making just because I don't
> have a digital readout. My device and my process are both very simple, but
> also VERY effective. Extensive research and informational assistance from
> an
> electrical scientist (with much experience producing various colloids) led
> me to my approach.
>
> - fil
>
>
> On 6/27/05, Robert Berger:
>>
>> Greetings you all,
>>
>> I don't know where you are getting your information but it sounds "off
>> the
>> wall" to me.
>>
>> I been doing develpment work on silver soultion since 1998, and I no
>> longer clean the anode. Try this experient if you have an DMM in the
>> circuit. Make two consecutive batches, the first with a polished clean
>> anode
>> and the second with the black anode from the first brew. Note the initial
>> current as that is the indicator of water quality and in this case the
>> ability of the anode to transport ions into soluiion. Always clean the
>> cathode. Plot the data (current and time) until you have the same end
>> point
>> current.You may be surprised.
>>
>> If you don't have a DMM in use you have no idea what you are making.
>>
>> I use a 0.040" x 4" x 9" sheet anode formed in a 4" arc with a copper
>> cathode at the center.
>> I have had two labs.Natural-immunogenics and Frank Key test my material
>> and it is 99%+ ionic silver. I do my own PPM testing with a
>> spectrophotometer.
>>
>> The TEM of this material shows particle size from sub-nanometer to 28
>> nano-meter.
>> I guess I need to get my web site back up with the data plots so that you
>> can learn what is going on in the brew cells.
>>
>> I developed and sold the first polarity switching generator back in 1998.
>>
>> "Ole Bob"
>>
>>
>>
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>
>

Phil, I am surprised that you know what is an analog meter.!! Most people don't.

But leave it in the circuit while brewing and plot the I vs T curve and look for
the point where it deviates from a straight line. That is the point where
agglomeration sets in.

If you like I can send you the Wplot32.exe and help file and some of my files
showing this effect.

This has to be direct as it will not go through the list.

"Ole Bob"



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By 'DMM' I guess you mean digital multimeter? I prefer an analog multimeter,
used externally -- and only before and after generation, to compare
resistance for approximation of PPM.

My anode doesn't turn black. The cathode, however, does darken to a deeper
shade of grey (as it is on the cathode that oxidation forms, if I don't
manage to stop it in time).

I have observed better conductivity after cleaning my electrodes.

Please don't tell me I have no idea what I'm making just because I don't
have a digital readout. My device and my process are both very simple, but
also VERY effective. Extensive research and informational assistance from an
electrical scientist (with much experience producing various colloids) led
me to my approach.

  - fil


On 6/27/05, Robert Berger:
>
> Greetings you all,
>
> I don't know where you are getting your information but it sounds "off the
> wall" to me.
>
> I been doing develpment work on silver soultion since 1998, and I no
> longer clean the anode. Try this experient if you have an DMM in the
> circuit. Make two consecutive batches, the first with a polished clean anode
> and the second with the black anode from the first brew. Note the initial
> current as that is the indicator of water quality and in this case the
> ability of the anode to transport ions into soluiion. Always clean the
> cathode. Plot the data (current and time) until you have the same end point
> current.You may be surprised.
>
> If you don't have a DMM in use you have no idea what you are making.
>
> I use a 0.040" x 4" x 9" sheet anode formed in a 4" arc with a copper
> cathode at the center.
> I have had two labs.Natural-immunogenics and Frank Key test my material
> and it is 99%+ ionic silver. I do my own PPM testing with a
> spectrophotometer.
>
> The TEM of this material shows particle size from sub-nanometer to 28
> nano-meter.
> I guess I need to get my web site back up with the data plots so that you
> can learn what is going on in the brew cells.
>
> I developed and sold the first polarity switching generator back in 1998.
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
>
>


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Greetings you all,

I don't know where you are getting your information but it sounds "off the wall"
to me.

I been doing develpment work on silver soultion since 1998, and I no longer
clean the anode. Try this experient if you have an DMM in the circuit. Make two
consecutive batches, the first with a polished clean anode and the second with
the black anode from the first brew. Note the initial current as that is the
indicator of water quality and in this case the ability of the anode to
transport ions into soluiion. Always clean the cathode. Plot the data (current
and time) until you have the same end point current.You may be surprised.

If you don't have a DMM in use you have no idea what you are making.

I use a 0.040" x 4" x 9" sheet anode formed in a 4" arc with a copper cathode at
the center.
I have had two labs.Natural-immunogenics and Frank Key test my material and it
is 99%+ ionic silver. I do my own PPM testing with a spectrophotometer.

The TEM of this material shows particle size from sub-nanometer to 28
nano-meter.
I guess I need to get my web site back up with the data plots so that you can
learn what is going on in the brew cells.

I developed and sold the first polarity switching generator back in 1998.

"Ole Bob"





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I've been making my own CS with three nines for about
two years now. I'd like to make the leep and get a better
system. I see the names silvergen and silver puppy alot.

Can someone who's familar with both list the pro's and
cons of each. I'd like to start planning for purchase this
fall after my vacation is done and paid so I can work it
into the budget. Are there any new players with good
systems or should we concentrate on these two?

Brian

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There are many variables that will affect observed conductivity of pure
distilled water. One of them is the phase of the Moon!

Notice I said "pure distilled water". If this 10% starter solution you speak
of is anything but decent cs, itself made using only pure distilled water,
you're looking for trouble. I hope everyone here knows to avoid using
saline.

12 gauge wire (dead soft, .9999 pure) is easier to use than silver sheets,
and thick enough that you should never have to worry about replacement. Kept
clean, they actually work better after they're 'broken in', as surface area
increases each time particles are released.

When electrodes are coated with oxides, the process is not as efficient, and
will take longer.


- fil (Phil Smith) [)o.]
  www.unifiedsettlement.org <http://www.unifiedsettlement.org>


On 6/27/05, Ode Coyote:
>
> A very slight variation in water quality makes for a vast difference in
> the time it take to reach a given PPM.
> The smaller the electrodes are in a Silvergen..or Silverpuppy..[They both
> work the same way], the stronger the CS that will come out at a given
> conductivity related 'auto off' setting and the smaller electrodes
> discharge ions slower...thus takes longer too.
> All electrodes erode.
> On the Silvergen using flat rectangular ribbon electrodes, the erosion is
> not uniform ..concentrating on the corners. When those corners disappear
> and the electrode forms a 'v' shape, they will not discharge ions the
> same.
> That's "probably" when they should be replaced, but IMO, the differences
> in results are minor and they could be used so long as optimal current
> density isn't exceeded and you start getting batches that are yellow upon
> finishing.
>
> In my book, when you can't clean them without distorting them, or there's
> not much left...the electrodes are toast.
>
> Ode
>
> At 12:32 AM 6/27/2005 -0000, you wrote:
> >
> >Just wondering, the last couple of batches I've
> >made have taken quite a bit longer than batches
> >I've made in the past. These took about 5 hours
> >(using a 10 percent starter). Normally, my batches
> >brew in about two to two and a half hours when I
> >use a 10 percent starter.
> >I use a SilverGen generator, set at about 18 PPM.
> >I'm just wondering if it is time to replace the
> >electrodes. How does one know that it is time
> >to replace electrodes?
> >I have brewed appoximately 20 gallons with this
> >set.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Zeppo
> >


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Sandy,

While it sounds as though the concentration of particles in your cs is
adequate, a more important issue is particle SIZE.

Many will swear by the cs they've been making for years, unaware of how much
better it could be. Most gens use voltages that will invariably cause
agglomeration (clumping together) of particles. A lot of them use stirring
mechanisms to mitigate the effect, but it is better to prevent it.

Using 18 volts, instead of 27, slows particle release to the point where
agglomeration is no longer an issue. With 18V you will NOT see a particle
plume (unless there is fluoride in the water, in which case you will get a
prodigious white one -- this has happened to me with inferior, supposedly
distilled water).

The smallest particles are able to penetrate cellular walls, so they are
much more effective.

Since 'Pulsar' is included in the name of your gen, and you speak of both
electrodes turning black (instead of just the cathode), I assume it switches
polarity during generation. This is a good feature.

Wiping your electrodes with a dry paper towel is usually sufficient, but
every now and then you might want to clean them with hydrogen peroxide --
make sure to rinse properly, especially if not using food grade (35%). Clean
electrodes work more efficiently -- you should experience quicker generation
times.

Oxides of silver, as far as I know, are not harmful -- but properly made
low-voltage small-particle cs can be generated at sufficient PPM before
oxidation becomes evident. In fact, when I begin to see oxides forming, I
know it's time to disconnect my gen. Oxidation is a sign that the optimal
current level has been exceeded.

Silver works as well for animals as it does for people.


- fil (Phil Smith) [)o.]
  www.unifiedsettlement.org <http://www.unifiedsettlement.org>


On 6/26/05, sae:
>
> I have been making C Silver with the Silver Pulsar from Sota for a
> couple of years.
>
> Sometimes I leave the wires in the jar for 35 minutes or so.
> The wires get so black that I don't know if I should leave them any
> longer.
>
> Am I making a silver that has a good enough PPM?
>
> Also are there any good easy ways to clean the wires?
>
> will this take care of any parasites my cat or dog would have?
>
> I don't know if anyone can answere but please give me some information.
>
> Thanks,
> Sandy
>
>


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Sandy,

Do not worry about the "black stuff" on the anode as it is a form of silver
oxide that facillitates the transfer of silver ions into the DW. There is no
need to clean the anode. I never do. You must wipe the cathode as that form of
silver oxide will get into the solution. It wont hurt you but does not look
appealing.

You are making a silver solution as for the PPM you need to send me a sample so
that I may test it with my spectrophotometer. Contact me directly.

People seem to think that more is better but that is not true. 5 PPM is more
than adequate.
The problem with commercial silver genrators they do not allow you to measure
the cell current during brewing. That is the only way that you will ever have an
idea as to what you are making.

"Ole Bob"




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A very slight variation in water quality makes for a vast difference in
the time it take to reach a given PPM.
  The smaller the electrodes are in a Silvergen..or Silverpuppy..[They both
work the same way], the stronger the CS that will come out at a given
conductivity related 'auto off' setting and the smaller electrodes
discharge ions slower...thus takes longer too.
  All electrodes erode.
  On the Silvergen using flat rectangular ribbon electrodes, the erosion is
not uniform ..concentrating on the corners.  When those corners disappear
and the electrode forms a 'v' shape, they will not discharge ions the same.
  That's "probably" when they should be replaced, but IMO, the differences
in results are minor and they could be used so long as optimal current
density isn't exceeded and you start getting batches that are yellow upon
finishing.

In my book, when you can't clean them without distorting them, or there's
not much left...the electrodes are toast.

Ode

At 12:32 AM 6/27/2005 -0000, you wrote:
>
>Just wondering, the last couple of batches I've
>made have taken quite a bit longer than batches
>I've made in the past.  These took about 5 hours
>(using a 10 percent starter).  Normally, my batches
>brew in about two to two and a half hours when I
>use a 10  percent starter.
>I use a SilverGen generator, set at about 18 PPM.
>I'm just wondering if it is time to replace the
>electrodes.  How does one know that  it is time
>to replace electrodes?
>I have brewed appoximately 20 gallons with this
>set.
>
>Thanks,
>Zeppo
>
>
>
>
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Just wondering, the last couple of batches I've
made have taken quite a bit longer than batches
I've made in the past.  These took about 5 hours
(using a 10 percent starter).  Normally, my batches
brew in about two to two and a half hours when I
use a 10  percent starter.
I use a SilverGen generator, set at about 18 PPM.
I'm just wondering if it is time to replace the
electrodes.  How does one know that  it is time
to replace electrodes?
I have brewed appoximately 20 gallons with this
set.

Thanks,
Zeppo

I have been making C Silver with the Silver Pulsar from Sota for a
couple of years.

Sometimes I leave the wires in the jar for 35 minutes or so.
The wires get so black that I don't know if I should leave them any
longer.

Am I making a silver that has a good enough PPM?

Also are there any good easy ways to clean the wires?

will this take care of any parasites my cat or dog would have?

I don't know if anyone can answere but please give me some information.

Thanks,
Sandy

Hi Bob.
I have been getting some good results with the asymetrical electrodes
setup, thanks. I found that if I use a mechanical stirrer with the
flow going anode to cathode I dont need the arc with a radius, or so
it seems. I have been using 24 inches 12 gauge coiled cathode to 6
inch shaped anode of the same. Very very weak  tendall using a laser
light in darkness.
My one quart batch measured 26 ppm with no signs of going yellow. My
batch ran 90 min at 40 volt dc start with a 6 mA limit in place, does
this sound about right for a 26 ppm reading? Ending voltage was 25 volts.

Sam L.

--- In silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com, Robert Berger
<boberger@s...> wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> Polarity reversal works only with symetrical silver electrodes. I
used that several years ago when I sold a few EZCS2 generators.
>
> I have found that I can get much higher ionic content with the
asymetrical electrodes. I ordered the silver from a local jewely
supply house. If you can't find sheet material you could line up ten
of more silver wires close space as the anode. Put them on an arc with
a radius of 3 to 5 inches and locate the copper or brass cathode at
what would be the center of the arc radius.
>
> To measure cell current use a DMM in one lead. It will work with
polarity reversal and the asymmetrical electrodes.
>
> I had two labs measure my asymmetrical anode material at 99%+ ionic.
Can't hardly beat that.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Hi Sam,

Polarity reversal works only with symetrical silver electrodes. I used that
several years ago when I sold a few EZCS2 generators.

I have found that I can get much higher ionic content with the asymetrical
electrodes. I ordered the silver from a local jewely supply house. If you can't
find sheet material you could line up ten of more silver wires close space as
the anode. Put them on an arc with a radius of 3 to 5 inches and locate the
copper or brass cathode at what would be the center of the arc radius.

To measure cell current use a DMM in one lead. It will work with polarity
reversal and the asymmetrical electrodes.

I had two labs measure my asymmetrical anode material at 99%+ ionic. Can't
hardly beat that.

Hope this helps.

"Ole Bob"




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Hi Bob.
One more question for the day, how would one measure the cell current?
This is probaly a stupid question, please forgive me.

Sam


Measure the cell current and plot the data as you go. When the current
curve starts to break to the right (leaving its straight line) then
stop the
process as agglomeration is setting in.

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Hi Bob.
Well Im back to DC for now, too many variables using HVAC in Brasil,
no good source of CO2 there. Im working on a co2 gen using yeast and
sugar and water in a platic bottle, dont know if it will contaminate
the brew or not.
I have successfully finished building your polarity switch using a 555
timer, works nicely.
Where would one find the 2.5 x 5 inch sheet of silver at?
I assume the polarity switching is not used with the asymmetrical
electrode assembly?
I have a pretty good DC power supply to work with,  see link.
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7859

TIA
Sam

--- In silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com, Robert Berger
<boberger@s...> wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> My 2 gallon fish tank has a plastic lid with several holes in it to
allow for heat and CO2 flow.
>
> Don't try to measure the current on a high voltage system as it
takes some very special current measuring transformers. If you use a
neon sign transformer they are a constant current device and will
operate at the rated current.
>
> The attached .jep is a TEM from Natural -imminogenics of my HVAC
material. Note the very samll particle size. HVAC structures the water
and the photo shows a triangular crystal structure and the gray are is
ionic silver and the small blobs are particles. This material is 99+%
ionic.
>
> I have a tank of Argon but for the CO2 I made a plastic tank to put
dry ice in it and took the gas out of a 1/2" plastic tube on the
bottom and fed that onto my tank.
>
> You can improve your LVDC by going to an asymmetrical electrode
assembly. Make the anode out of a sheet of silver. Start with 0.020 or
0.040 thick x 2-1/2" wide x 5" deep and form it on a 4" diameter pipe.
Use an 1/8" or 3/32" brass or copper cathode (it will silver plate
very quickly).
>
> Place the cathode on what would be the center of the 4" circle. This
will make sub nanometer
> stuff. Measure the cell current and plot the data as you go. When
the current curve starts to break to the right (leaving its straight
line) then stop the process as agglomeration is setting in.
>
>  I am starting a booklet for newbies going from the simplest to the
more advanced. It has data plots and explanation of what is happening
and why.
>
> Any questions?
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
>
>
>
>
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