I've made good colorless CS that reads 79 on a conductivity meter with an
off the shelf silverpuppy that stayed stable many months till it was all
used up.
I know of several others who have ventured successfully into those ranges
with that equipment.
Since meters don't read particles and what forms a TE is particles..and
that CS had a TE you could stand on..It's at least 80 PPM and maybe as high
as 100..or more. ["Real" testing is expensive and using a meter is by no
means a test of total PPM, can't be and never was. A meter will only give
some place to start with an educated guess.]

I've also made some nasty looking drain filler that's probably in the 1000s
range..but that is still "Electrically Isolated" Silver and it did stay
suspended in the water. [At least for a few days before I dumped it out]
Now, I wouldn't 'use' that crap, but it qualifies for the definition and
you rarely get a peak at what you're buying in a store. How many people
would know they bought something like that without having had some
experience?
Stan Jones made and used something similar, 'who knows' at what PPM , and
turned a little bit blue after a few years. He simply didn't know what he
was looking at.

Read what I wrote and what the original post said again.
The original post said that CS at over 20 PPM cannot be CS [EIS]. The
statement is not true.
It's a matter of sliding likelyhoods. If the statement had said "probably"
not, then it is true.
CS/ EIS on a shelf is somewhat rare, but not at all impossible at 25 PPM
and even be "High Quality"
[3 nines and a couple of wires won't do that so far as I can tell, but some
generators will.]
It gets more and more unlikely past 30 and very extremely unlikely past 100
PPM.
At 100 PPM , I'd expect very low quality, but decent to high quality is
still not 'impossible'.
At over 100 PPM any sort of quality would be extremly unlikely...but still
not totally impossible.

But then, define what quality 'is' when you've had no references or
experience in comparison.
Oh gee, the label SAYS it's the good stuff! [??] Gulp.


And it's even more common to find something that ISN'T EIS/CS at 5 to 10
PPM on a shelf than it is to find EIS at that PPM range. Meaning, that a
low PPM on a label doesn't, by any means, mean it's EIS/CS.
MOST of the bottles I've seen at Health Food stores were labeled 10 PPM,
then, in very fine print on the back, "MSP"

I wasn't turning bananas into grapefruits. I stuck strictly to the
definition of electrically isolated silver.
But I did distinguish between the various fruits and pointed out that PPM
alone is not a good indicator of what fruit you have.
A rotten banana is still a banana.

The only way to really know is to make your own or buy from a known
source. A "store" most often ain't it.
The 'Making your Own' genere is rife with misinformation. For instance:
Any "1 PPM per minute" statement is inherently flawed as it leaves out a
HOST of highly critical variables.
You'll know "what" you made, but not anything about PPM that could be
more accurate than shear accident.
Even after getting control of the variables you CAN control, total PPM is
still a guestimate.

...then I pointed out where to find info on sources that includes 'real'
info on what out there on shelves really is.
Some EIS that's labeled at 20 PPM is less than 1 PPM 'silver', but has a
conductivity of 20 uS or more.
They used a meter measure it and ignorance to make it... and it's most
likely electrically isolated silver nitrate. [NOT one of the good sources
despite 'claims' of expertise.]
If you make or buy an HVAC machine and don't know how to run it, you can
do that quite easily and not know you did.

Particle size claims derived from TEM photos are meaningless...which
doesn't mean that the EIS/CS is not "good" [..IF that's what it is], just
over or under represented.

We won't go into how badly various labs can screw up PPM readings.
I've sent samples to State run multimillion dollar water labs where
testing water is ALL they do, they tested it 3 times even, with
documentation on each test and got totally unbelivable results back that
were thrice to 5 times what another reputable lab sent back.

Ode



At 08:41 PM 12/3/2005 +0200, you wrote:
>
>This to ODE-ONE-COLLOIDE, catch a wake up,what a ridiculous statement you
>make, This is a forum, therefore I have the right to challenge you!
> ".... "likely" to be true,but not absolutley true". What a silly statement,
>you're supposed to drink and swill CS not smoke it!
>Thats like saying a Bananna could taste like a bananna but, it could be a
>Grapefruit.
>Sure, CS can be made stronger but, to the value of 1000, 2000, ppm as stated
>by BT is a bit over the top. The last time I heard a statement like that
>was, when there was a star in the sky with 3 guys on camels and I'm going
>outside right now, as I don't want to miss it this time!!
>WHO says that 100ppm is the optimum, and where does one buy the Nuclear
>powered generator that will produce this kind of CS?
>It's about time that all the Bull S is stopped, and, that some research labs
>who don't have "Connections", and are true and honest provide some answers.
>And when this happens I'm going outside again, 'Cause this time there'll be
>at least 10,000 camels, no star, and no-one there.
>Terry
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ode Coyote
>Sent: 03 December 2005 05:02 PM
>To: silverdatawebsite@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ silvermedicine.org ] Commercial Colloidal Silver Product
>Recommendation
>
>
> That statement is 'likely' to be true, but not absolutely true.
> EIS [CS] can be made much stronger than 20 PPM, it just gets harder and
>harder and less and less likely to look good, the higher in PPM you go.
> I'd say about the max limit for colorless EIS/CS is about 100 PPM...and
>THAT's not an absolute.
> Past around 25-30 PPM, it gets progressivly more and more 'iffy' and hard
>to do consistantly, but not impossible.
>
> A commercially sold product has to have some consistancy. One bottle
>looking like colorless water, the next, cloudy pee and another like
>Missippi flood water just won't do
> If 8 out of ten batches aren't suitable to sell, they won't be selling
>that.
>
> Too expensive to discard the majority...it's probably something else that
>has better process consistancy in those high PPM ranges, like MSP.
>
> If it's 500 PPM and up, it's a 99.9999% probablility that it's not "EIS".
> 25 PPM and up is maybe a 95% likleyhood that it's not "EIS".
>20 PPM and under is no gaurantee at all.
> MSP is often diluted to as low as 3-5 PPM and sold in stores. [Some
>labeled as such in very fine print, some not]
>
> Added to that uncertainty is a product made by a chemical precipitate
>method, sold by the drum, bought, diluted and repackaged for resale by who
>knows who.
> [There's a nasty lab in a big tin shed that does just that only a mile
>from here]
>
> Then there's silver acetate and silver citrate being sold as "CS".
>
> If you don't know who made it and how it was made, don't buy it. Period.
>
> On top of that, many who say they know what they made, don't.
> There are some people 'out there' who use High Voltage with an open air
>arc who think they made 20 PPM "EIS" type CS..but actually made 1 PPM
>Silver Nitrate.
>
> Low voltage processes vary within an acceptable range, but are generally
>very slow if done right.
> Time is money. Production Volume is Retail Queen and markup is the Retail
>King. It's not likely to be on a shelf.
>
> This is the best guide I've run across.
> There is, of course, a typical 'sales slant', but the numbers and
>descriptions are factual.
>
>http://silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html
>
>Ode
>
>
>At 01:38 PM 12/2/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>10ppm is enough. morethen 20 is not cs but another
>>process
>>benka
>>
>>--- Barry Trute <barry_trute@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> At this time I am not interested in making
>>> colloidal silver at home. I would like a
>>> recommendation on which Colloidal Silver Product to
>>> use and at what PPM. I have been lead to believe
>>> from what I have read that anything less then 500
>>> PPM is a waste of time with at least one site
>>> advocating 2000 PPM or more. I have had good
>>> results with an 1100 PPM product in helping treat
>>> bad intestinal bacteria combined with probiotics but
>>> I feel like I am not completely eliminating the bad
>>> bacteria.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> BT
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been
>>> removed]
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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