Thanks for the advice Victoria.  If you don't mind I'd like to mention that
technique to our speech therapist.  She seems at a loss as to how to deal
with Isaac.  He refuses to speak there and it is a waste of our money going
there every week so he can just sit in silence.

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Hi Beck,
The first challenge is to have her speak to you in front of others.  Find a
reinforcement that he really likes (some kind of sweet and inexpensive items
you can keep on hand).  My daughter loves mini-muffins and animal figures.
Other kids like M& M's or whatever.  Tell him that he will be rewarded for
"brave talking".  Her doctor used "brave talking bucks" .You can use any
kind of computer paper , play money or whatever sort of token to serve the
purpose.
You may need someone outside the family to help. A good psychologist with
experience in SM would be the best. Start by having that person right
outside the door of where you are. Make sure that person is visible to him ,
but far away enough that he can feel comfortable talking to you. Set up a
play situation and STart asking him questions.  For each question he
answers, give him a brave buck.  After 5 bucks, for 5 questions answered,
he gets a small candy treat.  At first he may just whisper the answers.
Pretend you cant hear him.  Eventually, the person right outside the room,
needs to move in closer.  The point is to desensitize him to speaking in
front of others.  A trained child psychologist knows when to move in closer.
Eventually, the other person will be sitting at the table where the two of
you are playing.  For a while, you will be asking the questions and he will
be answering you with the other person present at the table.  THe psych.
will eventually slip in a question
  about the play activity.
At first he may not answer, but if you have a good treat waiting for him, he
might.
This will continue for a while until your son can answer the other person's
questionswith you present in the room.  If he has been successful with brave
talking, you might want to give him a special toy (make sure its cheap
enough to keep a few handy).  Eventually, you will pretend that you need to
go to the bathroom and leave your son alone with the other person.  Now he
will need to only answer the psychologist's questions wiithout you there.
After a while, he will be able to answer questions freely in the office.
Now its time to go out into the community where he will have to answer
questions there.  Pick a place that he really likes, candy store, pet store,
dollar store.  YOu and the psych.  can ask him questions there.  At first he
may not be able to, but with enough exposure he eventually will.  This will
continue until he is comfortable.  In the meantime, you will give him Brave
Talking Goals and keep track of them.  The first goal may be to answer
another child's or teacher's questions at school.  Try inviting kids to the
house, since he is most comfortable there.  Make a big deal when he brave
talks to other kids and teachers.
There is a lot on the subject, so take the first step first.  It is a slow
process, (months and months) but it does work.  Consider putting him on a
low dose of prozac (10mg.) to lower his anxiety level.
Good Luck,
Victoria


Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
What kind of things did you do with your daughter to help her  Victoria?

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


My daughter was always very clingy with me, especially when visiting new
people.  As a baby, it was difficult to leave her with anyone who was not a
familiar family member.  She never spoke to outsiders, even at her home.
Now she can talk to anyone, although she still remains on the shy side.  At
least her reserved personality is now in the normal range.  She will start K
in Sept. and I dont anticipate any problems, I hope.

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:I was just wondering if
any one noticed the signs in their children from a
very young age?

It is strange because before we knew what SM was I'd never really stopped to
consider that Isaac didn't speak in certain situations.  I guess because he
always speaks at home.  And he talks to close members of our family and
friends that we see often.  Now though when I think back I realise that
there are many places that we go where he participates with encouragement,
like Kinder, but never actually speaks.  I feel bad that I never really put
it all together before now.
Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Ask around and look for someone familiar with childhood anxiety disorders.
It took me a while to find a good psychologist also.  Do lots of research on
your own too.
Victoria

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Thanks for the warm welcome.  I am trying to find a professional who is
familiar with SM but haven't had much luck yet.

My freind took my son to the park today for a play.  They were gone for over
an hour.  She said he didn't speak once the whole time.  It's heart
breaking.

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Dear Beck,
I am glad you found out about SM.  It is a very crippling anxiety disorder.
Please find a competent child psychologist in your area who knows about SM.
Also consider putting him on meds (prozac) to lower his anxiety.  My
daughter is making a full recovery from SM thanks to her doctor and meds.
Check out the website called About Our Kids.  It has a treatment protocol
for SM by New York University.
Dont let your son continue to be mute for too long, or the mute behavior
will be too entrenched.
SM is curable but it does not go away on its own.  Find him help.  Good luck
Victoria

isaaccharlismum <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck



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Hi Beck,
The first challenge is to have her speak to you in front of others.  Find a
reinforcement that he really likes (some kind of sweet and inexpensive items you
can keep on hand).  My daughter loves mini-muffins and animal figures.  Other
kids like M& M's or whatever.  Tell him that he will be rewarded for "brave
talking".  Her doctor used "brave talking bucks" .You can use any kind of
computer paper , play money or whatever sort of token to serve the purpose.
You may need someone outside the family to help. A good psychologist with
experience in SM would be the best. Start by having that person right outside
the door of where you are. Make sure that person is visible to him , but far
away enough that he can feel comfortable talking to you. Set up a play situation
and STart asking him questions.  For each question he answers, give him a brave
buck.  After 5 bucks, for 5 questions answered,  he gets a small candy treat. 
At first he may just whisper the answers.  Pretend you cant hear him. 
Eventually, the person right outside the room, needs to move in closer.  The
point is to desensitize him to speaking in front of others.  A trained child
psychologist knows when to move in closer.  Eventually, the other person will be
sitting at the table where the two of you are playing.  For a while, you will be
asking the questions and he will be answering you with the other person present
at the table.  THe psych. will eventually slip in a question
  about the play activity.
At first he may not answer, but if you have a good treat waiting for him, he
might.
This will continue for a while until your son can answer the other person's
questionswith you present in the room.  If he has been successful with brave
talking, you might want to give him a special toy (make sure its cheap enough to
keep a few handy).  Eventually, you will pretend that you need to go to the
bathroom and leave your son alone with the other person.  Now he will need to
only answer the psychologist's questions wiithout you there.
After a while, he will be able to answer questions freely in the office.  Now
its time to go out into the community where he will have to answer questions
there.  Pick a place that he really likes, candy store, pet store, dollar store.
YOu and the psych.  can ask him questions there.  At first he may not be able
to, but with enough exposure he eventually will.  This will continue until he is
comfortable.  In the meantime, you will give him Brave Talking Goals and keep
track of them.  The first goal may be to answer another child's or teacher's
questions at school.  Try inviting kids to the house, since he is most
comfortable there.  Make a big deal when he brave talks to other kids and
teachers.
There is a lot on the subject, so take the first step first.  It is a slow
process, (months and months) but it does work.  Consider putting him on a low
dose of prozac (10mg.) to lower his anxiety level.
Good Luck,
Victoria


Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
What kind of things did you do with your daughter to help her  Victoria?

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


My daughter was always very clingy with me, especially when visiting new
people.  As a baby, it was difficult to leave her with anyone who was not a
familiar family member.  She never spoke to outsiders, even at her home.
Now she can talk to anyone, although she still remains on the shy side.  At
least her reserved personality is now in the normal range.  She will start K
in Sept. and I dont anticipate any problems, I hope.

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:I was just wondering if
any one noticed the signs in their children from a
very young age?

It is strange because before we knew what SM was I'd never really stopped to
consider that Isaac didn't speak in certain situations.  I guess because he
always speaks at home.  And he talks to close members of our family and
friends that we see often.  Now though when I think back I realise that
there are many places that we go where he participates with encouragement,
like Kinder, but never actually speaks.  I feel bad that I never really put
it all together before now.
Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Ask around and look for someone familiar with childhood anxiety disorders.
It took me a while to find a good psychologist also.  Do lots of research on
your own too.
Victoria

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Thanks for the warm welcome.  I am trying to find a professional who is
familiar with SM but haven't had much luck yet.

My freind took my son to the park today for a play.  They were gone for over
an hour.  She said he didn't speak once the whole time.  It's heart
breaking.

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Dear Beck,
I am glad you found out about SM.  It is a very crippling anxiety disorder.
Please find a competent child psychologist in your area who knows about SM.
Also consider putting him on meds (prozac) to lower his anxiety.  My
daughter is making a full recovery from SM thanks to her doctor and meds.
Check out the website called About Our Kids.  It has a treatment protocol
for SM by New York University.
Dont let your son continue to be mute for too long, or the mute behavior
will be too entrenched.
SM is curable but it does not go away on its own.  Find him help.  Good luck
Victoria

isaaccharlismum <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck



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What kind of things did you do with your daughter to help her  Victoria?

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


My daughter was always very clingy with me, especially when visiting new
people.  As a baby, it was difficult to leave her with anyone who was not a
familiar family member.  She never spoke to outsiders, even at her home.
Now she can talk to anyone, although she still remains on the shy side.  At
least her reserved personality is now in the normal range.  She will start K
in Sept. and I dont anticipate any problems, I hope.

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:I was just wondering if
any one noticed the signs in their children from a
very young age?

It is strange because before we knew what SM was I'd never really stopped to
consider that Isaac didn't speak in certain situations.  I guess because he
always speaks at home.  And he talks to close members of our family and
friends that we see often.  Now though when I think back I realise that
there are many places that we go where he participates with encouragement,
like Kinder, but never actually speaks.  I feel bad that I never really put
it all together before now.
Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Ask around and look for someone familiar with childhood anxiety disorders.
It took me a while to find a good psychologist also.  Do lots of research on
your own too.
Victoria

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Thanks for the warm welcome.  I am trying to find a professional who is
familiar with SM but haven't had much luck yet.

My freind took my son to the park today for a play.  They were gone for over
an hour.  She said he didn't speak once the whole time.  It's heart
breaking.

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Dear Beck,
I am glad you found out about SM.  It is a very crippling anxiety disorder.
Please find a competent child psychologist in your area who knows about SM.
Also consider putting him on meds (prozac) to lower his anxiety.  My
daughter is making a full recovery from SM thanks to her doctor and meds.
Check out the website called About Our Kids.  It has a treatment protocol
for SM by New York University.
Dont let your son continue to be mute for too long, or the mute behavior
will be too entrenched.
SM is curable but it does not go away on its own.  Find him help.  Good luck
Victoria

isaaccharlismum <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck



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My daughter was always very clingy with me, especially when visiting new people.
As a baby, it was difficult to leave her with anyone who was not a familiar
family member.  She never spoke to outsiders, even at her home.  Now she can
talk to anyone, although she still remains on the shy side.  At least her
reserved personality is now in the normal range.  She will start K in Sept. and
I dont anticipate any problems, I hope.

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:I was just wondering if any
one noticed the signs in their children from a
very young age?

It is strange because before we knew what SM was I'd never really stopped to
consider that Isaac didn't speak in certain situations.  I guess because he
always speaks at home.  And he talks to close members of our family and
friends that we see often.  Now though when I think back I realise that
there are many places that we go where he participates with encouragement,
like Kinder, but never actually speaks.  I feel bad that I never really put
it all together before now.
Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Ask around and look for someone familiar with childhood anxiety disorders.
It took me a while to find a good psychologist also.  Do lots of research on
your own too.
Victoria

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Thanks for the warm welcome.  I am trying to find a professional who is
familiar with SM but haven't had much luck yet.

My freind took my son to the park today for a play.  They were gone for over
an hour.  She said he didn't speak once the whole time.  It's heart
breaking.

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Dear Beck,
I am glad you found out about SM.  It is a very crippling anxiety disorder.
Please find a competent child psychologist in your area who knows about SM.
Also consider putting him on meds (prozac) to lower his anxiety.  My
daughter is making a full recovery from SM thanks to her doctor and meds.
Check out the website called About Our Kids.  It has a treatment protocol
for SM by New York University.
Dont let your son continue to be mute for too long, or the mute behavior
will be too entrenched.
SM is curable but it does not go away on its own.  Find him help.  Good luck
Victoria

isaaccharlismum <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck



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I was just wondering if any one noticed the signs in their children from a
very young age?

It is strange because before we knew what SM was I'd never really stopped to
consider that Isaac didn't speak in certain situations.  I guess because he
always speaks at home.  And he talks to close members of our family and
friends that we see often.  Now though when I think back I realise that
there are many places that we go where he participates with encouragement,
like Kinder, but never actually speaks.  I feel bad that I never really put
it all together before now.
Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Ask around and look for someone familiar with childhood anxiety disorders.
It took me a while to find a good psychologist also.  Do lots of research on
your own too.
Victoria

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Thanks for the warm welcome.  I am trying to find a professional who is
familiar with SM but haven't had much luck yet.

My freind took my son to the park today for a play.  They were gone for over
an hour.  She said he didn't speak once the whole time.  It's heart
breaking.

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Dear Beck,
I am glad you found out about SM.  It is a very crippling anxiety disorder.
Please find a competent child psychologist in your area who knows about SM.
Also consider putting him on meds (prozac) to lower his anxiety.  My
daughter is making a full recovery from SM thanks to her doctor and meds.
Check out the website called About Our Kids.  It has a treatment protocol
for SM by New York University.
Dont let your son continue to be mute for too long, or the mute behavior
will be too entrenched.
SM is curable but it does not go away on its own.  Find him help.  Good luck
Victoria

isaaccharlismum <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck



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Ask around and look for someone familiar with childhood anxiety disorders.  It
took me a while to find a good psychologist also.  Do lots of research on your
own too.
Victoria

Mark Jacobson <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Thanks for the warm welcome.  I am trying to find a professional who is
familiar with SM but haven't had much luck yet.

My freind took my son to the park today for a play.  They were gone for over
an hour.  She said he didn't speak once the whole time.  It's heart
breaking.

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Dear Beck,
I am glad you found out about SM.  It is a very crippling anxiety disorder.
Please find a competent child psychologist in your area who knows about SM.
Also consider putting him on meds (prozac) to lower his anxiety.  My
daughter is making a full recovery from SM thanks to her doctor and meds.
Check out the website called About Our Kids.  It has a treatment protocol
for SM by New York University.
Dont let your son continue to be mute for too long, or the mute behavior
will be too entrenched.
SM is curable but it does not go away on its own.  Find him help.  Good luck
Victoria

isaaccharlismum <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck



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unfortunatly my participation with my daughter at school had a negative effect
it gave her an easy way to not talk by using me to communicate for her  the
problem now that she's a teenager is that if I'm around she gets stubborn and
won't try if I'm not around she procrastinates and nothing gets done
   ----- Original Message -----
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   To: selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:31 AM
   Subject: Re: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] (unknown)


   > hi Lena I am writing to ask if i can use your email in my assignment. i am
studying for an early childhood degree and am writing on SM for Special
educational needs. I am interested in anxiety in children starting scool and if
it can be helped by parents attending the school for a while to settle the child
in, i know this worked with my owmn son. I suffered with SM as a child and will
be particularly sensitive in my assignment, i will provide you with  a copy if
you wish. If anyone else has positive or negative experiences of parent
participation in their child's early days at school i would love to hear from
you. Thank you Emma
   > From: Ong Le Na <ong_le_na@...>
   > Date: 2004/04/07 Wed AM 03:48:03 GMT
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Thanks for the warm welcome.  I am trying to find a professional who is
familiar with SM but haven't had much luck yet.

My freind took my son to the park today for a play.  They were gone for over
an hour.  She said he didn't speak once the whole time.  It's heart
breaking.

Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...>
To: <selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] hello everyone


Dear Beck,
I am glad you found out about SM.  It is a very crippling anxiety disorder.
Please find a competent child psychologist in your area who knows about SM.
Also consider putting him on meds (prozac) to lower his anxiety.  My
daughter is making a full recovery from SM thanks to her doctor and meds.
Check out the website called About Our Kids.  It has a treatment protocol
for SM by New York University.
Dont let your son continue to be mute for too long, or the mute behavior
will be too entrenched.
SM is curable but it does not go away on its own.  Find him help.  Good luck
Victoria

isaaccharlismum <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck



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Dear Beck,
I am glad you found out about SM.  It is a very crippling anxiety disorder. 
Please find a competent child psychologist in your area who knows about SM. 
Also consider putting him on meds (prozac) to lower his anxiety.  My daughter is
making a full recovery from SM thanks to her doctor and meds.  Check out the
website called About Our Kids.  It has a treatment protocol for SM by New York
University.
Dont let your son continue to be mute for too long, or the mute behavior will be
too entrenched.
SM is curable but it does not go away on its own.  Find him help.  Good luck
Victoria

isaaccharlismum <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck



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Dear Beck,
I am glad you found out about SM.  It is a very crippling anxiety disorder. 
Please find a competent child psychologist in your area who knows about SM. 
Also consider putting him on meds (prozac) to lower his anxiety.  My daughter is
making a full recovery from SM thanks to her doctor and meds.  Check out the
website called About Our Kids.  It has a treatment protocol for SM by New York
University.
Dont let your son continue to be mute for too long, or the mute behavior will be
too entrenched.
SM is curable but it does not go away on its own.  Find him help.  Good luck
Victoria

isaaccharlismum <thejacobsons@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck



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Hi there,

I am a new member of this group and thought I'd take a minute to
introduce myself.  I live in Portland Australia with my husband Mark
and our two children, Isaac who is 3 and a half and Charli who is 15
months.  Isaac has recently been informally diagnosed as having SM.
He has been attending speech therapy and early intervention
playgroup for about a year now.  The playgroup teacher read about SM
over the holiday break and was very excited to show me the
information.  She thought it sounded exactly like Isaac.  I have to
say that when I read it and showed it to my husband we were both
flawed, it could have been written about our son.  He has started
Kindergarten this year and has struggled.  The kinder teacher asked
us if he was actually mute as she said "he never speaks."  So i'm
looking forward to showing her the info on SM and seeing what she
thinks.

Sorry this is such a ramble I am just so glad to know that my son is
not alone.
Beck

Congratulations Shelly!

Shelly <shellyhollo@...> wrote:Hello every one,
I just wanted to let you know that we have had posative break
throughs with my SM daughter. On Thursday she told her teacher her
tummy hurt. ITs the first time she has talked to her Teacher all
school year. Friday she wispered her verbal spelling test to her
teacher.110 words and only missed 3. Today(Monday) she told her
Flavor and Rasberry. Flavor and Rasberry has to do with the fact
that her speach teacher was getting her a smoothie for talking out
loud in speach theraphy. Right now its only a few words a day , But
HEY that is so much more then what any of the teachers have heard in
the last 3 years. Just a note, We now only have 6 weeks left in
school.
Thank you for this website and all the wonderful support.
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Hello every one,
I just wanted to let you know that we have had posative break
throughs with my SM daughter. On Thursday she told her teacher her
tummy hurt. ITs the first time she has talked to her Teacher all
school year. Friday she wispered her verbal spelling test to her
teacher.110 words and only missed 3. Today(Monday) she told her
Flavor and Rasberry. Flavor and Rasberry has to do with the fact
that her speach teacher was getting her a smoothie for talking out
loud in speach theraphy. Right now its only a few words a day , But
HEY that is so much more then what any of the teachers have heard in
the last 3 years. Just a note, We now only have 6 weeks left in
school.
Thank you for this website and all the wonderful support.
Shelly

> hi Lena I am writing to ask if i can use your email in my assignment. i am
studying for an early childhood degree and am writing on SM for Special
educational needs. I am interested in anxiety in children starting scool and if
it can be helped by parents attending the school for a while to settle the child
in, i know this worked with my owmn son. I suffered with SM as a child and will
be particularly sensitive in my assignment, i will provide you with  a copy if
you wish. If anyone else has positive or negative experiences of parent
participation in their child's early days at school i would love to hear from
you. Thank you Emma
> From: Ong Le Na <ong_le_na@...>
> Date: 2004/04/07 Wed AM 03:48:03 GMT
> To: selectivemutismsupportgroup2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Selective Mutism Support Group] (unknown)
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Hi
Go to this link:
http://www.imh.com.sg/quietroom/

I belong to the SM Parents' Support Group mentioned in this site.  You are
welcome to join us - we meet once a month.  If you like more info on what
the group is doing, you can email me privately.

As for your child, you can take him to a private psychologist or
psychiatrist or to cut cost, you could get him to see a doctor at the
polyclinic to get a referral to a government psychiatrist at the Child
Guidance Clinic, Institute of Mental Health.

Rgds,
Wai Kiu

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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:19 PM
Subject: [Selective Mutism Support Group] Where to get Formal assessment of
Children with SM?


> Hi, i'm Lena, mother to a soon-to-be 3 yr old boy.
> Recently, i had feedback from my son's pre-nursery teacher that he didn't
> join in most of the activities.
>
> i read up about shyness and selective mutism and found that my son has
> characteristics similar to SM.
>
> Where can i find a professional to assess my child's condition in
Singapore?
> How do i know that he is having SM????
>
> Anxious mum,
> lena
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Hi Victoria,
Thank ou for this info.  I am very nervous about putting her on medication like
prozac, I always thought it to be some kind of heavy duty drug, but I am willing
to give it a try.  She has an appointment set up with one of the psychologists
at Kinark.  I'm in Oshawa also.
Lisa

"Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...> wrote:
Hi Lisa,
It is wonderful to start her as young as possible with prozac and behavior
therapy.  At first, I tried the behavior therapy without the prozac because I
was nervous about medicating her.  The therapy went very slow and I was getting
frustrated.  I finally agreed to meds and her whole world turned around.  THe
prozac helped her respond to the therapy and the two together made a huge
difference.  She is now talking to kids, teachers, neighbors, store clerks, etc.
SHe is playing and participating in school.  Before intervention, she sat by
herself, never spoke, never participated in anything.
The therapy helps to desensitize her to fearful situations, usually speaking in
front of others.  Gradually, the therapist brings"brave talking" goals to a
higher level.  There is a wonderful treatment protocol on SM on the  NYU Child
Study Center website called About Our Kids.  Here is where I found her
psychologist.
The only side affect I notice from prozac is that it makes her more active and
talkative, especially at home.  I was told there are no long term side affects
and it is not addictive.  When she first started, she slept and ate less, but
this went away.  I really cant recommend it enough, since we are seeing
wonderful results.  I too was scared to medicate her at first.  Now I would tell
any parent not to hesitate.
The toughest part is finding a good therapist with experience in SM.  Where do
you live?
Good luck,
Victoria

Lisa Patterson <lisap19762003@...> wrote:
Hi Victoria,
    Thank you for your advise.  I am in the process of getting a psychologist
right now, and I will definitly make sure they are experienced with SM.  I would
like to ask you, what exactly is behavior therapy and does your daughter have
any negative side effects to the prozac?
Lisa

"Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...> wrote:
Dear Lisa,
My daughter was diagnosed at 4 with SM.  She was put on prozac and behavior
therapy.  A good, competent psychologist really helped her. Please find someone
who has experience with SM
Victoria

Lisa Patterson <lisap19762003@...> wrote:
I have a four year old daughter with selective mutism and I was just wondering
if anyone has any tips or suggestons on how to help her.
Thank-you
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Hi Lisa,
It is wonderful to start her as young as possible with prozac and behavior
therapy.  At first, I tried the behavior therapy without the prozac because I
was nervous about medicating her.  The therapy went very slow and I was getting
frustrated.  I finally agreed to meds and her whole world turned around.  THe
prozac helped her respond to the therapy and the two together made a huge
difference.  She is now talking to kids, teachers, neighbors, store clerks, etc.
SHe is playing and participating in school.  Before intervention, she sat by
herself, never spoke, never participated in anything.
The therapy helps to desensitize her to fearful situations, usually speaking in
front of others.  Gradually, the therapist brings"brave talking" goals to a
higher level.  There is a wonderful treatment protocol on SM on the  NYU Child
Study Center website called About Our Kids.  Here is where I found her
psychologist.
The only side affect I notice from prozac is that it makes her more active and
talkative, especially at home.  I was told there are no long term side affects
and it is not addictive.  When she first started, she slept and ate less, but
this went away.  I really cant recommend it enough, since we are seeing
wonderful results.  I too was scared to medicate her at first.  Now I would tell
any parent not to hesitate.
The toughest part is finding a good therapist with experience in SM.  Where do
you live?
Good luck,
Victoria

Lisa Patterson <lisap19762003@...> wrote:
Hi Victoria,
    Thank you for your advise.  I am in the process of getting a psychologist
right now, and I will definitly make sure they are experienced with SM.  I would
like to ask you, what exactly is behavior therapy and does your daughter have
any negative side effects to the prozac?
Lisa

"Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...> wrote:
Dear Lisa,
My daughter was diagnosed at 4 with SM.  She was put on prozac and behavior
therapy.  A good, competent psychologist really helped her. Please find someone
who has experience with SM
Victoria

Lisa Patterson <lisap19762003@...> wrote:
I have a four year old daughter with selective mutism and I was just wondering
if anyone has any tips or suggestons on how to help her.
Thank-you
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Hi Lena,
That is a good suggestion, one that I will have to try tomorrow when my daughter
goes to daycare.  If it's working for your  son then you must be doing the right
thing.
Thanks
Lisa

Ong Le Na <ong_le_na@...> wrote:
Hi, i'm Lena with a 3 yr old son with SM character traits. Just to share my
experience with my son with u. Last week and this week i went to my son's
nursery classes with him. I went there earlier and chatted with the teachers and
his friends in front of him. During the conversation, i got him involved now and
then. This week, i realised he is bolder, he tried to make conversation with his
friends and teachers. Yesterday, he even volunteered to answer questions by the
teacher. i was outside his classroom all the time.

I hope i am doing the right thing.....

lena
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Hi Victoria,
    Thank you for your advise.  I am in the process of getting a psychologist
right now, and I will definitly make sure they are experienced with SM.  I would
like to ask you, what exactly is behavior therapy and does your daughter have
any negative side effects to the prozac?
Lisa

"Victoria Johanet, MSEd" <victoriajo23@...> wrote:
Dear Lisa,
My daughter was diagnosed at 4 with SM.  She was put on prozac and behavior
therapy.  A good, competent psychologist really helped her. Please find someone
who has experience with SM
Victoria

Lisa Patterson <lisap19762003@...> wrote:
I have a four year old daughter with selective mutism and I was just wondering
if anyone has any tips or suggestons on how to help her.
Thank-you
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Dear Lisa,
My daughter was diagnosed at 4 with SM.  She was put on prozac and behavior
therapy.  A good, competent psychologist really helped her. Please find someone
who has experience with SM
Victoria

Lisa Patterson <lisap19762003@...> wrote:
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Hi, i'm Lena with a 3 yr old son with SM character traits. Just to share my
experience with my son with u. Last week and this week i went to my son's
nursery classes with him. I went there earlier and chatted with the teachers and
his friends in front of him. During the conversation, i got him involved now and
then. This week, i realised he is bolder, he tried to make conversation with his
friends and teachers. Yesterday, he even volunteered to answer questions by the
teacher. i was outside his classroom all the time.

I hope i am doing the right thing.....

lena
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thanks sherry!
i emailed him last week and hasn't gotten a reply yet....
that's y i was at a lost what to do.

:->
lena

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thank you very much ! :->

lena
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Thank-you
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Hi Lena, check out the website of this doctor located
in Singapore.

http://www.imh.com.sg/Quietroom/


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Hi, i'm Lena, mother to a soon-to-be 3 yr old boy.
Recently, i had feedback from my son's pre-nursery
teacher that he didn't
join in most of the activities.

i read up about shyness and selective mutism and found
that my son has
characteristics similar to SM.

Where can i find a professional to assess my child's
condition in Singapore?
How do i know that he is having SM????

Anxious mum,
lena

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Opps!  I am sorry.  It is actually Dr. Fung, and here is another website
link http://www.homestead.com/quietroom/ to I think the older site.

Sherry
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   Hi, i'm Lena, mother to a soon-to-be 3 yr old boy.
   Recently, i had feedback from my son's pre-nursery teacher that he didn't
   join in most of the activities.

   i read up about shyness and selective mutism and found that my son has
   characteristics similar to SM.

   Where can i find a professional to assess my child's condition in
Singapore?
   How do i know that he is having SM????

   Anxious mum,
   lena

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Hi Lena,

Dr. Daniel Funk is from Singapore.  Here is his website.
http://www.imh.com.sg/Quietroom/  I am sure he will be able to help you and
your child.  You will be in good hands with him.

Sherry
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   Hi, i'm Lena, mother to a soon-to-be 3 yr old boy.
   Recently, i had feedback from my son's pre-nursery teacher that he didn't
   join in most of the activities.

   i read up about shyness and selective mutism and found that my son has
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   Where can i find a professional to assess my child's condition in
Singapore?
   How do i know that he is having SM????

   Anxious mum,
   lena

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Hi, i'm Lena, mother to a soon-to-be 3 yr old boy.
Recently, i had feedback from my son's pre-nursery teacher that he didn't
join in most of the activities.

i read up about shyness and selective mutism and found that my son has
characteristics similar to SM.

Where can i find a professional to assess my child's condition in Singapore?
How do i know that he is having SM????

Anxious mum,
lena

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My child is on prozac, 10 mg.  It has definetely helped reduce anxiety but it
hasnt taken it completely away.  She is still shy in many situations, but can
cope much better now.
Everyone has noticed the difference in her. Good Luck, victoria

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i was wondering what if any meds they're using.  It looks like SM is only the
tip of the ice burg and my daughter is starting to show alot more anxeity
symptoms.  I guess that's why treatment has never worked. Any way any info on
severe anxiety meds would be helpful  thanks

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I know at least one of you has children with anexity problems other than SM and
i was wondering what if any meds they're using.  It looks like SM is only the
tip of the ice burg and my daughter is starting to show alot more anxeity
symptoms.  I guess that's why treatment has never worked. Any way any info on
severe anxiety meds would be helpful  thanks

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