Resources on the Nazi Doctors
The Nuremburg Trials

The Doctors Trial
The Medical Case of the Subsequent Nuremberg Proceedings
http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/indiptx.htm


The Nuremberg War Crimes Trials
These documents are here to study, to learn,
but especially to ensure that we never, never forget.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm


Transcript of first day of Nuremberg Trials,  Tuesday, 11/20/45:
http://www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/nuremberg/plead.html

Title: "First Day, Tuesday, 11/20/1945, Part 01", in Trial of the
Major War Criminals before the International Military Tribunal.
Volume II. Proceedings: 11/14/1945-11/30/1945. [Official text in the
English language.] Nuremberg: IMT, 1947. pp. 29-32.

Author: International Military Tribunal

Accession Number: AC_94X_00228

Publication Date: PD_19470101.

Document Type: Government Document.

Source Document Language(s): English

See Also Related Document Supersets: 2IMT; IMT; NWCT

Country of Publication: Germany

Full Text:
http://www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/nuremberg/plead.html



The Doctors Trial
The Medical Case of the Subsequent Nuremberg Proceedings
http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/index.html

On December 9, 1946, an American military tribunal opened criminal
proceedings against 23 leading German physicians and administrators
for their willing participation in war crimes and crimes against
humanity. In Nazi Germany, German physicians planned and enacted
the "Euthanasia" Program, the systematic killing of those they
deemed "unworthy of life." The victims included the mentally
retarded, the institutionalized mentally ill, and the physically
impaired. Further, during World War II, German physicians conducted
pseudoscientific medical experiments utilizing thousands of
concentration camp prisoners without their consent. Most died or were
permanently crippled as a result. Most of the victims were Jews,
Poles, Russians, and also Roma (Gypsies). After almost 140 days of
proceedings, including the testimony of 85 witnesses and the
submission of almost 1,500 documents, the American judges pronounced
their verdict on August 20, 1947. Sixteen of the doctors were found
guilty. Seven were sentenced to death. They were executed on June 2,
1948.

In commemoration of the fiftieth anniversary of the Doctors Trial,
the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum presents excerpts from
the official trial record, with accompanying photographs:

http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/index.html



Excerpts From Nazi Documents:
http://facultystaff.vwc.edu/~dgraf/nazidocs.txt

The following are excerpts from original Nazi documents, relating
directly to the extermination of Jews and others which was carried
out by the Nazis during WW2. The purpose of this collection is both
to present such documents in an easily accessible form, and to
point out more complete references.

Naturally, in preparing a collection like this, one has to decide
which documents to use; the amount of material is enormous. I have
tried to choose a small set of representative ones, which touch
as many aspects as possible. Many of these documents are very long,
so I have restricted myself to short excerpts.


My remarks are inside square [...] brackets.

-Daniel Keren (dk@...).


The organization of this collection is as follows:

1)  STATMENTS BY LEADING NAZIS
2)  GAS CHAMBERS AND GASSING VANS (See also "AUSCHWITZ")
3)  DOCUMENTS ABOUT MASS MURDER (see also the "Jager Report",
     in the "MISC" topic).
4)  THE EXTERMINATION OF THE INSANE
5)  MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS I: MASS STERILIZATION
6)  MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS II: FREEZING, LOW PRESSURE AND OTHERS
7)  THE ECONOMIC PLUNDER
8)  AUSCHWITZ
9)  KRISTALLNACHT
10) VERDICT OF SS-COURT
11) MISC - includes the following:
      a. Prosecution of a Jewish woman for selling her mother milk
         to feed German babies.
      b. Some of the court proceedings from a case in which the death
         sentence was imposed on a Jew for allegedly having sex with
         a German woman.
      c. Various excerpts from anti-semitic publications (mostly,
         "Der Stuermer").
      d. Letter about transporting to Germany "racially valuable
         children" whose parents were slain by the Nazis.
      e. Order to hang any Pole who has sex with a German woman.
      f. Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler describing Russians and Slavs as
         "human animals" to be used for work.
      g. German plans for plundering Poland.
      h. Order by Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler to kill and destroy
         everything in Nazi occupied Ukraine before evacuating it.
      i. A long and very detailed report about mass executions in
         the Nazi occupied Baltics (the "Jager report").

http://facultystaff.vwc.edu/~dgraf/nazidocs.txt

The Euthanasia (T-4) Program

Euthanasia" Centers [map]
http://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/t4map.html


The T-4 Euthanasia Program
http://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/t4.html


Nazi Extermination of People with Mental Disabilities
http://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/mental_disabilities.
html

or find the above link on this page:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/t4toc.html


Nazi Persecution of the Mentally and Physically Disabled
http://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/disabled.html



The Holocaust\Shoah Page (Contains a vast amount of information)

This Holocaust Page is maintained on behalf of millions of victims
of the Nazi Holocaust
May their voice never be silenced

http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/holo.html



T-4 Euthanasia Program
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-4_Euthanasia_Program



More Info. on the T-4 Program:
http://www.deathcamps.org/euthanasia/


Category:Holocaust
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (Massive amounts of info. here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Holocaust


Schindler's List
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schindler%27s_List

Movie poster of Schindler's ListSchindler's List was a 1993 movie,
based on the book Schindler's Ark by Thomas Keneally (later renamed
to Schindler's List itself). The movie, directed by Steven Spielberg,
related the tale of Oskar Schindler, a German entrepreneur who was
instrumental in saving the lives of over one thousand Polish Jews
during the Holocaust. The movie is named after a list of names of the
1,200 Jews that Schindler hired to work in his factory and kept from
being sent to concentration camps.

Contents [showhide]
1 Plot Summary

1.1 The German Army Invades Poland
1.2 Schindler's Factory
1.3 The Razing of the Ghetto
1.4 The List
1.5 The Coda


2 The Movie

3 Credits

4 See also

5 External links

Plot Summary
Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schindler%27s_List


Category:Genocides
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Genocides




Nazi human experimentation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation

During World War II, the Nazi regime in Germany conducted human
medical experimentation on large numbers of people held in its
concentration camps.

At Auschwitz concentration camp, Josef Mengele carried out medical
experiments.

Mengele's experimentation included placing subjects in pressure
chambers, testing various drugs on them, freezing them to death, and
various other usually fatal traumas. Of particular interest to
Mengele were twins; beginning in 1944, twins were selected and placed
in special barracks. Almost all of Mengele's experiments were of
dubious scientific value, including attempts to change eye color by
injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations and
other brutal surgeries, and in at least one case attempting to create
artificial "siamese twins" by sewing the veins in two twins together;
this operation was not successful and only caused the hands of the
children to become badly infected.

The full extent of his work will never be known because the two
truckloads of records he sent to Dr. Otmar Von Verschuer at the
Kaiser Wilhelm Institute were destroyed by the latter. Subjects of
Mengele's experiments were almost always murdered afterward for
dissection, assuming they survived the experiment itself.

Whilst Mengele was the most notorious of the Nazi doctors, his
behavior was not an isolated aberration, as many other medical
experiments were also carried out at other concentration camps,
including Dachau concentration camp, Buchenwald, Ravensbrück,
Sachsenhausen, and Natzweiler concentration camps.

According to the indictment at the Nuremberg trials, these
experiments included:

High altitude experiments. In early 1942 prisoners at Dachau
concentration camp were tortured so the Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe)
could find out the capacity of the human body to endure and survive
high altitude. A low-pressure chamber was used where conditions at
altitudes of up to 68,000 feet could be duplicated. Victims of the
experiments were forced to suffer these simulated altitudes within
the chamber. Many suffered death or serious injury as well as severe
pain.
Freezing experiments. Later in 1942 prisoners at Dachau concentration
camp suffered experiments so the Luftwaffe could learn how to treat
hypothermia. One set of experiments forced victims to endure a tank
of ice water, sometimes for as long as 3 hours. Victims rapidly
developed extreme rigor. Unsurprisingly many of these unfortunate
victims died. Nazi experimenters assessed different ways of rewarming
survivors. Other prisoners at Dachau concentration camp screamed with
pain when they were forced to remain naked in the open for several
hours with temperatures below freezing.

Malaria experiments. From about February 1942 to about April 1945
experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp in order
to investigate immunization for and treatment of malaria. Healthy
concentration-camp inmates were infected by mosquitoes or by
injections of extracts of the mucous glands of mosquitoes. After
having contracted malaria the subjects were treated with various
drugs to test their relative efficacy. Over 1,000 involuntary
subjects were used in these experiments. Many of the victims died and
others suffered severe pain and permanent disability.

LOST (mustard) gas experiments. At various times between September
1939 and April 1945 experiments were conducted at Sachsenhausen,
Natzweiler, and other concentration camps for the benefit of the
German Armed Forces (Wehrmacht) to investigate the most effective
treatment of wounds caused by LOST gas, a poison commonly known as
mustard gas. Wounds deliberately inflicted on the subjects were
infected with LOST. Some of the subjects died as a result of these
experiments and others suffered intense pain and injury.

Sulfonamide experiments. From about July 1942 to about September 1943
experiments to investigate the effectiveness of sulfonamide were
conducted at the Ravensbrück concentration camp for the benefit of
the German Armed Forces. Wounds deliberately inflicted on the
experimental subjects were infected with bacteria such as
streptococcus, gas gangrene, and tetanus. Circulation of blood was
interrupted by tying off blood vessels at both ends of the wound to
create a condition similar to that of a battlefield wound. Infection
was aggravated by forcing wood shavings and ground glass into the
wounds. The infection was treated with sulfonamide and other drugs to
determine their effectiveness. Some subjects died as a result of
these experiments and others suffered serious injury and intense
agony.

Bone, muscle, and nerve regeneration and bone transplantation
experiments. From about September 1942 to about December 1943
experiments were conducted at the Ravensbrück concentration camp, for
the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to study bone, muscle, and
nerve regeneration, and bone transplantation from one person to
another. Sections of bones, muscles, and nerves were removed from the
subjects. As a result of these operations, many victims suffered
intense agony, mutilation, and permanent disability.

Sea water experiments. From about July 1944 to about September 1944
experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp, for the
benefit of the German Air Force and Navy, to study various methods of
making sea water drinkable. The subjects were deprived of all food
and given only chemically processed sea water. Such experiments
caused great pain and suffering and resulted in serious bodily injury
to the victims.

Epidemic jaundice experiments. From about June 1943 to about January
1945 experiments were conducted at the Sachsenhausen and Natzweiler
concentration camps, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to
investigate the causes of, and inoculations against, epidemic
jaundice. Experimental subjects were deliberately infected with
epidemic jaundice, some of whom died as a result, and others were
caused great pain and suffering.

Sterilization experiments. From about March 1941 to about January
1945 sterilization experiments were conducted at the Auschwitz and
Ravensbrück concentration camps, and other places. The purpose of
these experiments was to develop a method of sterilization which
would be suitable for sterilizing millions of people with a minimum
of time and effort. These experiments were conducted by means of X-
ray, surgery, and various drugs. Thousands of victims were sterilized
and thereby suffered great mental and physical anguish. (Aside from
its experimentation, the Nazi government sterilized around 400,000
individuals as part of its compulsory sterilization program)
Spotted fever (Fleckfieber) experiments. [It was definitely
ascertained in the course of the proceedings, by both prosecution and
defense, that the correct translation of Fleckfieber is "typhus". A
finding to this effect is contained in the judgment. A similar
initial inadequate translation occurred in the case of typhus and
paratyphus which should be rendered as typhoid and paratyphoid.] From
about December 1941 to about February 1945 experiments were conducted
at the Buchenwald and Natzweiler concentration camps, for the benefit
of the German Armed Forces, to investigate the effectiveness of
spotted fever and other vaccines. At Buchenwald numerous healthy
inmates were deliberately infected with spotted fever virus in order
to keep the virus alive; over 90 percent of the victims died as a
result. Other healthy inmates were used to determine the
effectiveness of different spotted fever vaccines and of various
chemical substances. In the course of these experiments 75 percent of
the selected number of inmates were vaccinated with one of the
vaccines or nourished with one of the chemical substances and, after
a period of 3 to 4 weeks, were infected with spotted fever germs. The
remaining 25 percent were infected without any previous protection in
order to compare the effectiveness of the vaccines and the chemical
substances. As a result, hundreds of the persons experimented upon
died. Experiments with yellow fever, smallpox, typhus, paratyphus A
and B, cholera, and diphtheria were also conducted. Similar
experiments with like results were conducted at Natzweiler
concentration camp.

Experiments with poison. In or about December 1943, and in or about
October 1944, experiments were conducted at the Buchenwald
concentration camp to investigate the effect of various poisons upon
human beings. The poisons were secretly administered to experimental
subjects in their food. The victims died as a result of the poison or
were killed immediately in order to permit autopsies. In or about
September 1944 experimental subjects were shot with poison bullets
and suffered torture and death.

Incendiary bomb experiments. From about November 1943 to about
January 1944 experiments were conducted at the Buchenwald
concentration camp to test the effect of various pharmaceutical
preparations on phosphorus burns. These burns were inflicted on
experimental subjects with phosphorus matter taken from incendiary
bombs, and caused severe pain, suffering, and serious bodily injury.
After the war, these crimes were tried at what became known as the
Doctors' Trial, and revulsion at the abuses perpetrated led to the
development of the Nuremberg Code of medical ethics.

Although the Nuremberg Code was widely adopted as a fundamental
principle for medical ethics, it failed to stop other abuses such as
the U.S. Tuskegee syphilis study, which had existed at the same time
as Mengele's experiments, yet continued until 1972.


References
The public domain official trial record: Trials of War Criminals
before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No.
10. Nuremberg, October 1946-April 1949. Washington, D.C.: U.S. G.P.O,
1949-1953, referenced online at
http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/indiptx.htm
6 February 2004.


Categories: Nazi Germany | Holocaust | International criminal law |
Science experiments

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation


Josef Mengele
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Josef MengeleDr. Josef Mengele (March 16, 1911–February 7, 1979) was
a Nazi doctor who performed experiments on prisoners in Auschwitz
which were condemned as murderously sadistic and participated in the
selections of people to be sent to the gas chambers.

Mengele's nickname was Beppo; he also became known as the Angel of
Death.

Mengele was the eldest of three sons of Karl Mengele (1881–1959) and
his wife Walburga (d.1946), well-to-do Bavarian industrialists. His
younger brothers were Karl Mengele (1912–1949) and Alois Mengele
(1914–1974). Josef studied medicine and anthropology at the
University of Munich, the University of Vienna and the University of
Bonn. At Munich he obtained a doctorate in Anthropology (Ph.D.) with
a dissertation in 1935 on racial differences in the structure of the
lower jaw, supervised by Prof. Theodor Mollison. After his exams he
went to Frankfurt, working as an assistant to Otmar von Verschuer at
the Frankfurt University Institute of Hereditary Biology and Racial
Hygiene. In 1938 he obtained a doctorate in medicine with a
dissertation on "Clan examinations at lip-jaw-palate-cleft."

In 1932, at the age of 21, Mengele joined the Stahlhelm, Bund der
Frontsoldaten (Steel Helmet, League of Front Soldiers); this
organisation was incorporated into the SA in 1933, but Mengele
resigned shortly thereafter, alluding to health-problems. He applied
for Nazi party membership in 1937 and in 1938 he joined the SS. 1938–
1939 he served six months with a specially trained mountain light-
infantry regiment. In 1940 he was placed in the reserve medical
corps, following which he served three years with a Waffen-SS unit.
In 1942 he was wounded at the Russian front and was pronounced
medically unfit for combat. Because he had acquitted himself
brilliantly in the face of the enemy during the Eastern Campaign, he
was promoted to the rank of SS-Hauptsturmführer (Captain). His next
assignment was Auschwitz, where he replaced another doctor who had
fallen ill. On May 24, 1943 he became medical officer of the so-
called Gipsy Camp, a part of Auschwitz-Birkenau (see Auschwitz
concentration camp). In August 1944, this camp was liquidated and all
its inmates gassed. Subsequently Mengele became Chief Medical Officer
of the main infirmary camp at Birkenau. He was not, though, the Chief
Medical Officer of Auschwitz - superior to him was SS-Standortarzt
(garrison physician) Eduard Wirths.

It was during his 21-month stay at Auschwitz that Dr. Mengele
achieved infamy, gaining the nickname "Angel of Death." When rail-
cars filled with prisoners arrived in Auschwitz II Birkenau, along
with other doctors Mengele would frequently be waiting on the
platform to select which of them would be retained for work and
experimentation and which would be sent immediately to the gas
chambers.

Of particular interest to Mengele were twins; beginning in 1943,
twins were selected and placed in special barracks. Almost all of
Mengele's experiments were of dubious scientific value, ignoring the
lack of ethics involved, including attempts to change eye color by
injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations and
other brutal surgeries, and in at least one case attempting to create
an artificial "Siamese twin" by sewing the vein in two twins
together; this operation was not successful and only caused the hands
of the children to become badly infected. Subjects of Mengele's
experiments were almost always murdered afterward for dissection,
assuming they survived the experiment itself.

Josef Mengele left Auschwitz and went to Gross-Rosen concentration
camp. In April 1945, he fled westward disguised as a member of the
regular German infantry. He was captured as a POW and held near
Nuremberg. He was released by the Allies, who had no idea that he was
in their midst. After hiding as a farm laborer in Upper Bavaria,
Mengele departed for Argentina in 1949, where many other fleeing Nazi
officials had also sought refuge. Mengele divorced his wife Irene,
and in 1958 married his brother Karl's widow, Martha, and she and her
son moved to Argentina to join Mengele. Both returned to Europe only
a few years later.

His family at home backed him financially and he prospered in the
1950s, first operating a toy-workshop and later was an associate in a
small pharmaceutical enterprise. After this short period, however,
Mengele lived rather poorly. In 1959 he went to Paraguay, since 1960
he lived in Brazil until his death in 1979, when he suffered a stroke
while swimming in the ocean and drowned.

Despite international efforts to track him down, he was never
apprehended and lived for 35 years hiding under various aliases.
Adolf Eichmann's capture and trial by Israel prompted Mengele's fears
and frequent movements, and the Mossad tracked him for a time, but
Israel's efforts were directed towards normalizing relations with
Paraguay and fighting enemies closer to home. He was not tracked down
by Nazi hunters until 1985, when his body was found and identified
after a combined effort of American, German and South American
authorities. In 1992, DNA tests confirmed his identity.

Mengele has also been a literary and movie character, featuring
prominently in The Boys from Brazil and Marathon Man. He was the
subject matter of the song Angel of Death, the opening track on
Slayer's 1986 album, Reign in Blood.

See also
Nazi human experimentation
External links
A detailed profile in the Crime Library
http:www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/mengele/index_1.htm
A timeline of his life
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blmengele.htm
Chicago Tribune Magazine: "How Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele
cheated justice for 34 years"
http://www.posner.com/articles/mengele.htm by Gerald Posner and John
Ware


Categories: 1911 births | 1979 deaths | Holocaust | Nazi leaders | SS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele


Human experimentation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Medical experimentation on unconsenting people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimentation


Project MKULTRA
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

(Redirected from MKULTRA)
Project MKULTRA (also known as MK-ULTRA) was the code name for a CIA
mind control research program lasting from the 1950s through the
1970s. Starting from 1964, the project was renamed to MKSEARCH. The
project's goal was to produce a perfect truth drug for use in
interrogating suspected Soviet spies during the Cold War, and
generally to explore any other possibilities of mind control.
Experiments were often conducted without the subjects' knowledge or
consent. The project was headed by Dr. Sidney Gottlieb.

Contents [showhide]
1 Origins

2 The experiments

2.1 Budget
2.2 Canadian experiments


3 Revelation

4 Legal issues involving informed consent

5 See also

6 References

7 External links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

Listen Monday morning, 1/17/05
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from 11-Noon EST
to hear me talk about
Terri Schindler-Schiavo and The New World Order Killing Machine.
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ON AIR

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Monday January 17 2005

Melissa Roxanne Stanley

Topic: The New World Order Killing Machine

I am a Florida resident, an avid supporter of Terri Schindler-
Schiavo, and have followed and thoroughly researched this case for
over 2 years now. I will be talking about the NWO Killing Machine and
the corrupt judges, attorneys, medical personnel, politicians,
bioethicists, Death Cults, and others, including relatives, many
times, who work together to murder the innocent. The cases of Terri
Schindler-Schiavo, Hanford "Hank" Pinette, (Florida resident and 24-
year military veteran who was murdered December 8th), and others will
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The Holocaust began with the killing of one disabled baby boy.
Exactly what proceeded the Holocaust is happening
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Euthanasia is illegal in every state in the United States. Dr. Jack
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Bob Schindler to be on 2 different net radio shows re: latest news on
Terri and this case - Monday morning, January 10, 2005!

I will also be on the 2nd radio program speaking about Terri, (if
time permits). I was scheduled to be on the show and then I asked
Mr. Schindler to be on the show and he agreed, so I told him and the
radio show host I would like Mr. Schindler to take as much time as he
needs - for the entire hour if he wishes.

I will be on another radio program speaking about Terri on Monday,
January 17th from 11 - Noon EST as well. The topic below will be
covered then and I will be speaking in detail about Terri.

See info. below.

Melissa Roxanne Stanley, saveterrislife yahoo group website owner
(This is a read only research site. I only asked another Terri
supporter to join due to Yahoo forced me to have 1 more member to be
able to continue to keep my site active. It was always intended to
be information for the public to read from my research on this case,
not for people to join. I will be the only person posting on this
website.)


Note: Though I have not updated my websites recently due to many out
of state trips and time-related issues, I will be doing so asap.

Please pray for Terri, her family, and others in danger, including
the tsunami/earthquake victims. Please forward this to everyone and
post on your websites!


Mr. Schindler will be on the Catholic Connection radio program on
Monday, January 10, 2005 at 9:00 A.M. I hope this is the correct
link to listen LIVE on net radio, as I found it myself:

MONDAY, 1/10/05
TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
NET / SHORTWAVE RADIO PROGRAMS:

Catholic Connection Radio Program
Bob Schindler to be on 9 AM EST 1/10/05
http://www.wdeo.net/listenlive.html Read info. on this page!
http://www.wdeo.net/listenlive2.php 2nd link if first link won't work
for you


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11:00 AM on Monday, 1/10/05 with the latest update on Terri (see
below):

Thanks,
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Melissa Roxanne Stanley

Monday, January 10, 2005

Bob Schindler Father of Terri Schindler
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Topic Update On Terri's Situation



Melissa Roxanne Stanley

Topic: The New World Order Killing Machine

I am a Florida resident, an avid supporter of Terri Schindler-Schiavo,
and have followed and thoroughly researched this case
for over 2 years now. I will be talking about the
NWO Killing Machine and the corrupt judges, attorneys,
medical personnel, politicians, bioethicists, Death Cults,
and others, including relatives, many times, who work together
to murder the innocent. The cases of Terri Schindler-Schiavo,
Hanford "Hank" Pinette, (Florida resident and 24-year military veteran
who was murdered December 8th), and others will be discussed.

The Holocaust began with the killing of one disabled baby boy.
Exactly what proceeded the Holocaust is happening
right now, before our very eyes. Any one of us could be next.

Euthanasia is illegal in every state in the United States. Dr. Jack
Kevorkian, who goes by the name of "Dr. Death", is in prison now
due to assisting depressed people to commit suicide. Still, the
murders continue at an alarming pace, and no one is punished as
the innocents' lives are torturously taken, day after day.

Learn what the NWO Killing Machine's devious plans are
for the people of the U.S. and how their well-paid and popular
propagandists, (the media, big name talk show hosts, and
celebrities), highly recommend the very thing which could,
and does, easily result in murder.

Due to the recent press release and statements of George Felos,
(Michael Schiavo's lead attorney), regarding Terri Schindler-Schiavo,
I will be discussing Terri and this highly corrupt case in
great detail.

Websites:
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(Note from Melissa: Mr. Schindler will be on beginning at 11:00 A.M.
EST. I told Mr. Schindler and Butch Chancellor that I am willing to
let Mr. Schindler speak about Terri as long as he wishes. I may be
on the 2nd half of the show, but would rather Mr. Schindler have as
much time to speak as he needs. I will also be a guest on Butch's
radio program, (re: Terri Schindler-Schiavo), on Monday, January 17,
2005 at the same time (11-Noon EST).

More important upcoming shows listed below. Melissa

ON AIR

Carlila Sherman


Tuesday January 11 2005

Carlila Sherman
contact: preacherman35@...

"My baby girl was born with a hole in her heart.
She had 4 open heart surgery operations.
Her cardioligist ordered that she be given NO vaccianations.
The CPS took her away.
Then immediately injected her with vaccinations".

"They took my 14 year old girl too"

"i got a notice ordering me to appear in court,
the notice did not give a charge"
"I went to court on the date ordered.
They did not tell me the charge"
"I asked the judge for a jury trial.
The judge shouted 'Shut Up'"

"I am still being ordered into court,
still no charge or jury"
"They took my computer.
You may contact me through Rev Ronnie Dean
preacherman35@...

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Sunday, January 02, 2005

Dr. Betty Martini

Dr. Betty Martini
Founder Mission Possible International
Movie: Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World
Bio http://www.wnho.net/bio-bmartini.htm
Website http://www.dorway.com/
Email Bettym19@...

"Deliver those being taken away to death and those
staggering to the slaughter. O may you hold them back.
In case you should say 'Look! We did not know of this'
will not He that is making an estimate of the hearts
discern it and pay back to earthling man according
to his activity?" Proverbs 24:11

Topic
Greedy corporate poisoners who destroy our minds, our health,
kill our unborn, disable our children and eliminate our sexual
capacity and pleasure with a chemical poison...

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Saturday, January 01, 2005


Najwa Cryderman
Defence Fund

Please donate to the
Cryderman Defense Fund

Great Southern Bank
Springfield, Missouri
Account #2508311541
http://www.greatsouthernbank.com

If you have not heard about the Chris and Najwa Cryderman
case, just type "Najwa Cryderman" into any search engine
and you will learn about the injustice that has taken place.

If you never believed in a conspiracy before, you will now.
We wil update our web-site with more details soon.
http://familiesforchange.com/_wsn/page7.html

More of the Najwa Cryderman story
Click HERE

Contact Ronnie Dean
Families For Change
http://familiesforchange.com/
preacherman35@...




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Note:  RADIO SHOWS ON TODAY & TOMORROW
RELATED TO TERRI

Topic:  Government As Parent (TODAY, MONDAY, 10-25-04)

& REGARDING CORRUPT JUDGE GREER,
WHO HAS ORDERED TERRI'S FEEDING TUBE REMOVED NUMEROUS TIMES!
Topic:  Oath Of Office and Florida's Fake Judge George Greer who
has "ordered"
The Torture-Killing of an innocent woman, Terri Shindler

"Judge In Schiavo Case Failed To Legally Qualify For Office;
Discharge Mandated
Is George Greer playing God?
Or is he playing judge ?
Public records indicate he's no judge" (TUESDAY, 10-26-04)

  SEE THIS WEBSITE BELOW NOW!
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Joyce Rosenwald
Writer
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Articles
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Government As Parent
http://freedompage.home.mindspring.com/JRparent.htm

Topic:  Government As Parent

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Please tune in to Butch's radio program on Tuesday, October 26th.
The show will air at 11 AM - Noon Eastern.

YOU SIMPLY CANNOT MISS THIS RADIO SHOW!

These women have done lots of research and discovered that corrupt
Judge Greer FAILED TO LEGALLY QUALIFY FOR OFFICE AND CANNOT LEGALLY
REMAIN AS A JUDGE, PLUS, THAT HE HAS NOT BEEN A LEGAL JUDGE FOR YEARS!

This is HUGE, BOMBSHELL INFORMATION!
THE SCHINDLER'S ATTORNEYS SHOULD BE ALL OVER THIS IN COURT
IMMEDIATELY!

http://www.vetzine.blogspot.com

http://www.crusaderadio.com/listenlive.htm





Judge in Schiavo Case Failed to Legally Qualify for Office;
Discharge Mandated
The Empire Journal ^ | 10/24/04 | June Maxam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1255370/posts?page=1#1
http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo.htm
http://www.theempirejournal.com

Religion and Moral Parental Rights
Can  Never Be Circumvented By The State
http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo_2.htm

THESE AUTHORS TO BE ON BUTCH CHANCELLOR'S RADIO SHOW TUESDAY, 10-26-04
11-NOON EASTERN!


ON AIR

June Maxam And Ginger Berlin

Tuesday October 26 04

Tuesday October 26 04
10am Central Time  (11 AM - NOON EASTERN TIME)
On 'These Orwellian Times"
Broadcast By Crusade Radio
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June Maxam and Ginger Berlin Co-Publishers of The Empire Journal
http://theempirejournal.com/

Topic Oath Of Office and Florida's Fake Judge George Greer who
has "ordered"
The Torture-Killing of an innocent woman, Terri Shindler

"Judge In Schiavo Case Failed To Legally Qualify For Office;
Discharge Mandated
Is George Greer playing God?
Or is he playing judge ?
Public records indicate he's no judge"

(BOTH AUTHORS WILL BE ON BUTCH'S SHOW ON TUESDAY!  MELISSA)
Judge In Schiavo Case Failed To Legally Qualify For Office; Discharge
Mandated

Religion and Moral Parental Rights Can  Never Be Circumvented By The
State

Your child, no matter their age, is always part of your heart. Your
soul is bonded to theirs forever and theirs to yours.

Tuesday October 26 04
10am Central Time  (11 AM - NOON EASTERN TIME)
On 'These Orwellian Times"
Broadcast By Crusade Radio
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recorder with the microphone right next to your computer speaker.  I
do this all the time and it works great!


----- Original Message -----
From: vetzine@...
To: Friends
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: State Ordered Torture-Murder "Judge" Is Fake


State Ordered Torture-Murder
"Judge" Is Fake


------------------------
State Ordered Torture-Murder
The Statists Intend To Establish
Their "Right" To Order The Torture
Unto Death Of Any Innocent
Today It Is Terri Schindler.
Tomorrow It May Be You
Contact  Melissa Stanley
Website http://www.saveterrislife.com
Email saveterrislife@...
------------------------------


Judge In Schiavo Case Failed To Legally Qualify For Office;
Discharge Mandated

Empire Journal Reports
------------------------------

http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo.htm

http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo_2.htm

http://www.theempirejournal.com

http://www.theempirejournal.com/robert_bruno_resigns_oasas.htmal




posted by Vetzine Publishing

Your Tombstone Is In Place

http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm

So Is That Of Your Children

http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/kids.htm



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___________________________________________________________________

Excerpts from an e-mail I sent out 10-25-04:

Re: Is it True that Greer Failed to Legally Qualify for Office?
Therefore, Discharge Mandated? +
Booklet Advertised on The Empire Journal Website Re: This, But
Applies to New York Only +
I Researched FL Statutes Regarding This

Re:  Is this true about Greer not taking oath of office, not
qualified to be a Judge, etc.

I do not know, but it sure appears that the woman writing this
article checked everywhere to verify the facts and knows the
applicable laws and remedies.  There is a booklet you can order
explaining the Oath of Office on the website where this article
appears.

The only problem with this booklet is this:

Please Note This Booklet Is
Pertinent to New York State Laws

____________________________________________________________________

However, here is an excerpt from the Editorial

Judge In Schiavo Case Failed To Legally Qualify For Office; Discharge
Mandated

http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo.htm


"In Florida, as in New York and other states, the law is very
explicit.  Chapter 114(h) states that "upon the failure of a person
elected or appointed to office to qualify for office within 30 days
from the commencement of the term of office , the office becomes
vacant."

(Note from Melissa:  Since I installed a new hard drive, I am having
technical problems with Adobe Acrobat Reader and cannot open or view
pdf's, so this booklet would do me no good unless someone orders it
and can copy and paste it and kindly send me the text to read, which
I would sure appreciate.  Otherwise, I cannot read it even if I buy
it.  It costs about $15.00.

If anyone can buy this and post it online in text form, if possible,
that would be fantastic as we all need to take action on this ASAP
and get rid of this evil Judge!

Terri's tube can be removed for the THIRD time as soon as December
7th at 12:00 AM, per Greer's Ruling!  This stuff needs to be talked
about everywhere possible including on radio and television, message
boards, our websites, forwarded in e-mails, etc!  Doing all of this
could make a HUGE difference in this corrupt case and save Terri's
life, get her a new trial, blow this whole collusive web wide open if
we all get publicity about this and cause the public to rise up
against all of this!

The Schindler's attorneys should be on this Judge Greer not qualified
issue like WHITE ON RICE!

They should also be POUNCING on the fact that Terri has
Hydrocephalus, a very treatable medical condition, which can be
caused by head trauma /  traumatic brain injury.  Left untreated,
this causes further brain injury and can be life threatening.  If
Terri were treated for this condition, she would most likely get much
better, both physically (brain-wise, especially), and cognitively!

I e-mailed 6 Law Firms including Gibbs Law Firm, SPECIFICALLY, e-
mailing David C. Gibbs III and Barbara Weller of Gibbs Law Firm on
August 31, 2004 all of this proof  that Terri has Hydrocephalus, much
more info. about it, and the treatment for it, as well as that Terri
by law can be granted a new trial based on this newly discovered /
new information alone!

I have not heard back from any of these attorneys regarding this
matter, (the Hydrocephalus), and as far as I am aware, they have not
filed anything to the court regarding this matter!  Dr. William
Hammesfahr has stated many times that Terri has Hydrocephalus and
should be treated for it!  He has also offered to treat Terri, free
of charge, and his treatments are known worldwide to cause his
patients including brain injured patients rapid and tremendous
recoveries!  Please call, write, fax, and e-mail David C. Gibbs III,
Barbara Weller, and Gibbs Law Firm

Attorney David C. Gibbs III,
Admitted to practice in Florida, Minnesota, North Dakota, Colorado,
Texas and the District of Columbia,
LEAD ATTORNEY REPRESENTING TERRI'S FAMILY
IN TERRI SCHIDNLER-SCHIAVO CASE,
(SINCE PAT ANDERSON RESIGNED FROM THE CASE)

E-mail Barbara Weller,
Attorney Barbara J. Weller, Admitted to practice in Florida &
Specialist at Gibbs Law Firm in Terri Schindler-Schiavo Case:
bweller at gibbsfirm dot com

Gibbs Law Firm website:  http://www.gibbsfirm.com

Mailing Address and Phone #:
Gibbs Law Firm, P.A.
5666 Seminole Boulevard, Suite Two
Seminole, Florida 33772
(727) 399-8300 Telephone
(727) 398-3907 Facsimile

E-mail David C. Gibbs III:
prayer at christianlaw dot org
(to E-Mail David C. Gibbs III, Lead Attorney representing Terri's
parents in the Terri Schindler-Schiavo case)
Or, fill out form here to e-mail David C. Gibbs III:
https://www.christianlaw.org/contact2.html


to urge them to do file for a new trial based on the fact that there
is newly discovered evidence that Terri has Hydrocephalus and can be
treated for it with routinely done surgery which takes about 45
minutes!  They should also file for a new trial based on the newly
discovered evidence that Judge Greer is not qualified to be a Judge,
legally, and did not take or file several Oaths of Office, which is a
legal requirement to be a Judge!


Peter Kawaja

08-26-04: TERRI SPECIAL Pamela Hennessy and Bob Schindler on
conference call with Terri supporters
This files is 3-hours. We would have gone much longer but was
interrupted by the RCMP & US Brevard Sheriff re-Standoff in Manitoba

H2H_08-26-04_TERRI_PK-2  (Audio File)

http://highway2health.net/ArchiveShows/archived_shows_bottom.htm

I called in to this broadcast and told Mr. Schindler that Terri has
Hydrocephalus and urged him to contact Dr. Hammesfahr regarding this
ASAP.  I also talked about Higher Powers controlling this corrupt and
collusive case and the fact that Governor Bush is not doing what he
should do, can do, could have done, and must do to save Terri's life,
get her out of the custody of those trying to murder her repeatedly,
and open a full scale investigation into the entire corrupt matter,
especially what happened to Terri on February 25, 1990 and has
happened to her ever since!

Melissa Roxanne Stanley

(See left hand side of page where the Editorial appears for what I
copied and pasted below - Melissa):

ARM YOURSELF AGAINST ILLEGAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS!
Download Your Copy Today!

Purchase The Most Concise Booklet On The Importance of Officials
Securing and Filing Properly Their Oath of Office and Bonds



Credit Card Orders May Only Be Purchased Online

If you prefer not to order the download online, send check or money
order to
The Empire Journal
P.O. Box 408
Chestertown, NY 12817

Please Note This Booklet Is
Pertinent to New York State Laws

http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo.htm

(See left hand side of page where the Editorial appears for what I
copied and pasted above.  Melissa)



ORDER YOUR DOWNLOAD COPY TODAY!



Oaths Booklet Offered By Empire Journal Publishers

"This Booklet is invaluable...every elected or appointed official
should own a copy."  H. Peterson

A public officer's oath of office and bond. It is the subject of a
new booklet by the publishers of The Empire Journal in conjunction
with the NYS Oaths Project.

     "The Oath of Office Explained" will be available free  to
contributors of $100 or more to the NYS Oaths Project or access to
the booklet alone may be purchased separately at a cost of $15.

    The booklet is a downloaded pdf file.  Payment will be able to be
made on site by Pay Pal or via mail by check or money order.

    The booklet, written by Oaths Project coordinator June Maxam and
designed by Ginger Berlin, Journal co-publishers, discusses the
constitutional and statutory requirements to take and file the oath
of office in New York State and provides a summary of the applicable
laws.

    The significance of the oath is explained as well as are the
penalties incurred by public officials, elected and appointed, who
fail to take and file their oath and bond.

    A concise question and answer section about de facto officers,
bonds, certificates of election and other related issues is included.

NOTE THIS IS A DOWNLOAD PDF FILE. Once We receive notification of
payment, you will be emailed a direct link to download the file. Once
downloaded, you will not be able to access the file on our server.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/Special%20Offer.htm


Note from Melissa:

Here is some research I did

upon reading this editorial

by June Maxam

Judge in Schiavo Case Failed to Legally Qualify for Office;
Discharge Mandated
The Empire Journal ^ | 10/24/04 | June Maxam


Judge In Schiavo Case Failed To Legally Qualify For Office; Discharge
Mandated

http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1255370/posts?page=1#1
http://www.theempirejournal.com

Religion and Moral Parental Rights
Can  Never Be Circumvented By The State
http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo_2.htm




CONSTITUTION
OF THE
STATE OF FLORIDA
AS REVISED IN 1968 AND SUBSEQUENTLY AMENDED
ARTICLE X

MISCELLANEOUS

SECTION 3.  Vacancy in office.



SECTION 3.  Vacancy in office.--Vacancy in office shall occur upon
the creation of an office, upon the death, removal from office, or
resignation of the incumbent or the incumbent's succession to another
office, unexplained absence for sixty consecutive days, or failure to
maintain the residence required when elected or appointed, and upon
failure of one elected or appointed to office to qualify within
thirty days from the commencement of the term.

History.--Am. proposed by Constitution Revision Commission, Revision
No. 13, 1998, filed with the Secretary of State May 5, 1998; adopted
1998.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?
Mode=Constitution&Submenu=3&Tab=statutes#A10S03





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The 2004 Florida Statutes

  CHAPTER 876
CRIMINAL ANARCHY, TREASON, AND OTHER CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER

876.05  Public employees; oath.

876.06  Discharge for refusal to execute.

876.07  Oath as prerequisite to qualification for public office.

876.08  Penalty for not discharging.

876.09  Scope of law.

876.10  False oath; penalty.





876.05  Public employees; oath.--

(1)  All persons who now or hereafter are employed by or who now or
hereafter are on the payroll of the state, or any of its departments
and agencies, subdivisions, counties, cities, school boards and
districts of the free public school system of the state or counties,
or institutions of higher learning, and all candidates for public
office, are required to take an oath before any person duly
authorized to take acknowledgments of instruments for public record
in the state in the following form:


I, _____, a citizen of the State of Florida and of the United States
of America, and being employed by or an officer of _____ and a
recipient of public funds as such employee or officer, do hereby
solemnly swear or affirm that I will support the Constitution of the
United States and of the State of Florida.


(2)  Said oath shall be filed with the records of the governing
official or employing governmental agency prior to the approval of
any voucher for the payment of salary, expenses, or other
compensation.

History.--s. 1, ch. 25046, 1949; s. 22, ch. 83-214.

876.06  Discharge for refusal to execute.--If any person required by
ss. 876.05-876.10 to take the oath herein provided for fails to
execute the same, the governing authority under which such person is
employed shall cause said person to be immediately discharged, and
his or her name removed from the payroll, and such person shall not
be permitted to receive any payment as an employee or as an officer
where he or she was serving.

History.--s. 2, ch. 25046, 1949; s. 1414, ch. 97-102.

876.07  Oath as prerequisite to qualification for public office.--Any
person seeking to qualify for public office who fails or refuses to
file the oath required by this act shall be held to have failed to
qualify as a candidate for public office, and the name of such person
shall not be printed on the ballot as a qualified candidate.

History.--s. 3, ch. 25046, 1949; s. 23, ch. 83-214.

876.08  Penalty for not discharging.--Any governing authority or
person, under whom any employee is serving or by whom employed who
shall knowingly or carelessly permit any such employee to continue in
employment after failing to comply with the provisions of ss. 876.05-
876.10, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree,
punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

History.--s. 4, ch. 25046, 1949; s. 1140, ch. 71-136.

876.09  Scope of law.--

(1)  The provisions of ss. 876.05-876.10 shall apply to all employees
and elected officers of the state, including the Governor and
constitutional officers and all employees and elected officers of all
cities, towns, counties, and political subdivisions, including the
educational system.

(2)  This act shall take precedence over all laws relating to merit,
and of civil service law.

History.--ss. 5, 7, ch. 25046, 1949.

876.10  False oath; penalty.--If any person required by the
provisions of ss. 876.05-876.10 to execute the oath herein required
executes such oath, and it is subsequently proven that at the time of
the execution of said oath said individual was guilty of making a
false statement in said oath, he or she shall be guilty of perjury.

History.--s. 6, ch. 25046, 1949; s. 1141, ch. 71-136; s. 1415, ch. 97-
102.





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Read about another corrupt Judge and how he was removed from the
Bench:

COURT OF APPEALS REMOVES TROY JUDGE BAUER FROM BENCH

Troy City Court Judge Henry Bauer is seeking reelection on the
November ballot but it won't make any difference if he wins the

election.



In a 4-3 decision, the Court of Appeals has upheld the determination
of the New York State Commission on

Judicial Conduct to remove Bauer from office for egregious violations
of defendants' constitutional rights.



Bauer is prohibited from ever again holding judicial office.



The Court ruled that Bauer demonstrated a "callousness both to the
law and to the rights of criminal defendants", coupling a

failure to advise defendants of their right to assigned counsel with
imposition of punitive bail which all but guaranteed that the

defendant would be coerced into pleading guilty as it would be his
only way to get out of jail.



He engaged in a "pattern of exorbitant bail so extraordinary that we
must characterize it as abusive and coercive in the extreme",

the court wrote in its decision.



In one case, the court said that Bauer set bail at $25,000 for a man
who had been arrested for riding his bicycle on the sidewalk at

night.  The man spent seven days in jail because he could not raise
the excessive bail.  The maximum penalty for the offense would

have been a $100 fine.



Judges Victoria Graffeo, Robert Smith and Susan Phillips Read voted
against removal, saying that censure would have been

appropriate.



Bauer, who had served as an assistant public defender for Rensselaer
County prior to becoming  Troy city court judge 10 years ago,

had been served with a complaint in October, 2002, by the judicial
commission alleging 51 charges including that he

failed to advise defendants of their right to counsel, that he
sentenced defendants in excess of the legal maximum, repeatedly

jailed defendants when they could not meet the bail that he set in
excessive amounts and coerced defendants into pleading guilty.

It was charged that he twice convicted defendants without a trial or
a guilty plea.



Following a hearing held in 2003, a referee sustained 39 of the
charges.



The court made particular note that Bauer's "apparent lack of
contrition is telling. While his conduct is uniformly foul, his utter
failure

to recognize and admit wrongdoing suggests that if he is allowed to
continue on the bench, we may expect more of the same".

Bauer had remained defiant and maintained that he had done nothing
wrong with others from the legal community testifying in his

favor. He charged that both the judicial commission and referee had
acted improperly.



But the court said that impugning the integrity of the Commission
staff and the referee does not distract them from the

considerable proof against Bauer.



By jailing defendants in lieu of bail for offenses that rarely if all
carry jail sentences on conviction, he "abrogated his duty and

abused his position as a judge", the court held.  In 26 instances
without regard to the statutory criteria, Bauer set bail ranging

from $10,000 to $50,000 for defendants charges with petty crimes or
violations.



He said that he didn't advise some defendants of their right to
counsel because it was unnecessary in some cases because the

defendants already knew their rights from previous arrests and that
others weren't "alert" enough to understand.  In other cases he

delayed assigning counsel until the defendant had sought paid counsel.



The court held that the law doesn't "contemplate judicial assessments
as to whether defendants are experienced enough to know

their rights without being told nor does it authorize judges to
inform defendants selectively as to their right to assigned

representation".



Bauer set "shockingly" high bail and in several cases remanded
defendants to jail for several days  for failure to post bail on
charges

for which imprisonment was not a legally permitted penalty or upon
legally insufficient accusatory instruments.



Bauer also held defendants in lieu of bail for periods beyond the
maximum sentence for the offense charges or beyond the period

required by speedy trial rules.



It was also found that Bauer had induced some defendants to plead
guilty without advice of counsel and without advising them

that they were entitled to counsel, and only after he had jailed them
for longer than the allowable maximum sentence.



The court ruled that the charges against Bauer were "fully borne out
by the record.  Testimony reveals a pattern of abuse by

which not only on numerous occasions Bauer not only failed to advise
defendants of their rights but perverted the

Criminal Procedure Law by telling defendants that they must engage
their own attorneys, concealing from them that the

statute requires the court to assign counsel when warranted and see
to it that the right of counsel is protected".



Rather than follow the law, in a number of instances, Bauer engaged
in verbal sparring with defendants and envinced

an intent to defeat rather than advance the right to assigned
counsel, the high court said.

http://theempirejournal.com/TROY_JUDGE_BAUER_REMOVED_FROM_BENCH.htm

___________________________________________________________________

Here is an e-mail I received regarding this on 10-23-04.  I just read
this information on 10-24-04, however.  Melissa)


----- Original Message -----
From: vetzine@...
To: Friends
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: State Ordered Torture-Murder "Judge" Is Fake


State Ordered Torture-Murder
"Judge" Is Fake


------------------------
State Ordered Torture-Murder
The Statists Intend To Establish
Their "Right" To Order The Torture
Unto Death Of Any Innocent
Today It Is Terri Shindler.
Tomorrow It May Be You
Contact  Melissa Stanley
Website http://www.saveterrislife.com
Email saveterrislife@...
------------------------------


------------------------
Judge In Schiavo Case Failed To Legally Qualify For Office;
Discharge Mandated

Empire Journal Reports
---------------------------

http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo.htm

http://www.theempirejournal.com/judge_greer_schiavo_2.htm

http://www.theempirejournal.com

http://www.theempirejournal.com/robert_bruno_resigns_oasas.htmal

Note:RADIO SHOWS ON TODAY & TOMORROW RELATED TO TERRI & CORRUPT JUDGE
GREER!  SEE THIS WEBSITE BELOW NOW!
http://www.vetzine.blogspot.com













1-7-04 AUDIO Interview of Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel- Nominee
expert Neurologist who examined Terri longer than any other doctor -
Explosive Info. Just Recently Made Available For Free - Please Save
To Your Hard Drives!

Note:  RADIO SHOWS ON TODAY AND TOMORROW RELATED TO TERRI AND CORRUPT
JUDGE GREER!  SEE THIS WEBSITE NOW!
http://www.vetzine.blogspot.com

TERRI - AUDIO - DR. HAMMESFAHR- 1-7-04 H2H SHOW

RE: TERRI HAS HYDROCEPHALUS /

EEG DONE WRONG /

FELOS' & MICHAEL'S, (and the corrupt Judges, including Greer, 2nd
DCA, FL Supreme Ct.), LIES

ABOUT TERRI'S BRAIN ARE DISPROVEN!


Listen to the archived 01/07/04 Highway2Health broadcast
with Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel Nominee Neurologist

Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations - The notes
below were taken from this broadcast, which you can now LISTEN to

by clicking here:
http://www.highway2health.net/media/H2H_01-07-04_RonPanzer-Terri-1.wma
Right click on the link to save it to your hard drive!

http://highway2health.net/media/H2H_01-07-04_RonPanzer-Terri-1.wma

Try the 2nd link if the 1st link doesn't work!


http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

Or, due to above link is too long for this site, go to
http://libertytothecaptives.net
and look at middle column for "MUST SEE", then click on
"Interview with Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations"

READ NOTES FROM THE 1-7-04 highway2Health.net BROADCAST HERE,(LONGER
ARTICLE)WITH NOTES TAKEN BY MARGARET JUNEMAN - (SHE AND HER HUSBAND
ARE ON MY E-MAIL LIST)
AND NOTES TAKEN BY RON PANZER (HE DID THE INTERVIEW),
WITH *COMMENTS ADDED* BY JOE AND MARGARET JUNEMAN AND LISA RUBY.


Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus: Probably Due to Head Injury

The following quotes are excerpts from the article,
Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

The above is a short article WITH JUST QUOTES OF DR. HAMMESFAHR
(FROM 1-7-04 Highway2Health AUDIO AT LINK ABOVE)
ABOUT TERRI'S BRAIN, HYDROCEPHALUS, AND EEG DONE WRONG
(MOST LIKELY ON PURPOSE, I THINK! Melissa)


Husband protests video showing alert Terri
Schindler in desperate move to save daughter facing deadline today
Posted: October 15, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35085

VIDEO OF TERRI FROM TV NEWS! CLICK LINK BELOW TO WATCH!

http://webpages.charter.net/honeygrl/terri_schindler.asf
Watch as Terri raises herself up off her bed! Terri is NOT PVS!


Terri Schiavo:  Cognitively Able
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_cognitively_able.html

The following transcript was posted on Free Republic on  01/21/2004
7:08:56 PM PST by FL_engineer

From "Terri Big Eyes" video available at terrisfight.org

Terri starts out apparently asleep. A doctor wakes her to start his
tests.

Doctor: Terri. Open your eyes up...

Terri: (Startled at hearing her name. She starts moving her mouth and
fluttering her eyes, like a person who is just waking up)

Doctor: Open your eyes, Terri open your eyes

Terri: (slowly at first, Terri struggles to open her eyes, then turns
toward the doctor, and opens her eyes a normal amount)

Doctor: There you go, good.

Terri: (then, either to show off (?) or wanting to perform well, she
leans further forward toward the doctor, looks straight at him and
opens her eyes as WIDE AS SHE CAN. Note the WRINKLES ACROSS HER
FOREHEAD caused by her also RAISING HER EYEBROWS as high as possible )

Doctor: [now obviously impressed] GOOD!! GOOD JOB! GOOD JOB YOUNG
LADY! Good Job. (Thanks to Melissa S. for alerting me to the pictures
and commentary posted by FL engineer.)


Lisa's notes: Terri has been referred to as being cognitively
disabled, and this is true. She suffered brain damage when something
happened that caused the flow of oxygen to her brain to be cut off
for a period of time. Since medical records rule out heart attack,
cardiac arrest and potassium imbalance, it is it is likely that her
oxygen supply was cut off when her neck was injured to the point of
extreme rigidity.

Due to the fact that Terri has been illegally denied rehabilitation
for over ten years, she is still cognitively and physically disabled.

Contrary to what you may have been led to believe, Terri definitely
did not collapse due to a heart attack or cardiac arrest and she did
not have a potassium imbalance. Dr. Hammesfahr and Robert Schindler
(Terri's father) cleared up two of these damage-control-for-Michael-
Schiavo rumors during an interview with Sean Hannity:

HAMMESFAHR: But the medical record clearly shows that there has never
been a heart attack. Potassium causes damage by causing heart
attacks, so we know the potassium is not an issue.

SCHINDLER: That comes from the evidence that there's medical evidence
that she had a neck injury. And as the doctor said, she had no heart
attack. And her ribs and parts of her body suffered fractures.

(Quotes source: Foul Play in Terri Schiavo Case?)

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed in an interview with Ron Panzer that Terri
never had a heart attack or cardiac arrest:

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of
the heart but not a "stopped heart."]

(Quote source: Ron Panzer's notes: Interview with Dr. Hammesfahr)

Terri was found face down with an extremely rigid neck. Her neck
injuries indicate that she was strangled:

Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee and neurologist,
testified that Terri's neck injuries are consistent with only one
type of injury: that of strangulation.

(Quote source: State-Funded Agency to Probe Claim of Spousal Abuse in
Terri Schiavo Case)
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_abuse.htm

The heart attack, cardiac arrest, and potassium imbalance rumors are
meant to steer you away from the fact that Terri had a serious neck
injury (indicative of strangulation) which is documented in her
medical records.

A cognitively disabled person is below average in intellectual
function. He or she often has difficulty reasoning, solving problems,
and understanding and using language.

Cognitive means

Pertaining to the mental process of thought, including perception,
reasoning, intuition and memory.

(Quote source: hyperdictionary.com)

To be cognitively disabled does not mean that a person has no mental
process of thought and cannot perceive things, or reason, or remember
anything at all. It means that these abilities are below average in
the cognitively disabled person.

Terri Schindler Schiavo's responses to the doctor's instructions
reveal that she is conscious and cognitive. Because therapy has been
illegally withheld for over ten years, her cognition is below
average, but Terri is cognitive. She does perceive and reason. She is
intuitive and she has memory. Terri made a monumental effort to
demonstrate her cognitive ability in response to the doctor's
directions. She did this by purposely exaggerating her responses to
make it clear to the doctor that she definitely understood his
directions!

This action required perception, reasoning and intuition. At the time
this video was taken, Terri was keenly aware that Michael and his
accomplices were saying that she was practically dead already and
working to achieve that end. Terri knew she needed to demonstrate
that she was capable of processing information and carrying out
instructions. And she achieved her goal.

If Terri had been receiving therapy—just like anyone else who has
suffered a serious injury—she would not be demonstrating her
cognition by opening her eyes and leaning forward and opening them
wider for emphasis.  Instead, she would be opening her mouth and
revealing the circumstances preceding her sudden collapse. Michael's
refusal to prevent her from having any therapy serves to prevent such
a disclosure.

Thus Terri languishes in a state of solitary confinement with no
stimulation while Florida laws are being broken daily (for ten years)
to (1) keep her in a state of disability and (2) keep Michael from a
criminal investigation.

Florida law clearly mandates that Terri be given rehabilitation
services and physical/motor skill therapy and for Michael to lose his
guardianship status and be investigated. Governor Bush has the duty
and the authority to see to it that the laws of the state of Florida
are faithfully executed.

Please contact Governor Jeb Bush right away and hold him accountable
to insist that the Florida statutes be upheld. Terri has the legal
right to therapy, the removal of Michael Schiavo as her guardian, and
an investigation into the circumstances of her collapse that left her
with an extraordinarily rigid neck.

E-mail Jeb Bush:
Jeb.Bush@...
Jeb dot Bush at MyFlorida dot com


Gary and Lisa Ruby

01/27/04

edited 7/25/04

For the Life of Terri Schiavo: News Links and Commentary

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_cognitively_able.html



Florida Governor Jeb Bush
phone: 850-488-7146
email: jeb.bush@m... or jeb@j...
E-mail Jeb Bush:  Jeb.Bush@...
Jeb dot Bush at MyFlorida dot com

fax: 850-487-0801 or 850-922-4292
Press Secretary - phone: 850-488-5394
Assistant Donovan Brown - phone: 850-410-0501



PLEASE CALL, FAX, & E-MAIL FL GOVERNOR JEB BUSH
RE: SAVING TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO NOW!



SCHINDLER FAMILY TURNS TO FEDERAL COURTS IN ATTEMPT TO SAVE DAUGHTER
written September, 2003 (undated article - used date in link and
info. in article to surmise month and year article written. Melissa)

By Dave Andrusko

Blocked at every turn by courts in Florida, the parents of Terri
Schindler-Schiavo have taken their battle to save their 39-year-old
brain-damaged daughter to the federal courts. However, U.S. District
Judge Richard A. Lazzara showed little interest in intervening at the
initial hearing September 2, according to the Associated Press (AP)
and the Orlando Sentinel.

Although highly skeptical, Lazzara gave Robert and Mary Schindler 10
days to amend a lawsuit that they filed August 30 "in what their
lawyer admitted was haste caused by fear that their daughter might
die from illness during the weekend," according to the AP.

However, Lazzara refused to block a September 11 hearing in which
Pasco Circuit Court Judge George Greer will schedule the date for the
removal of Terri Schindler-Schiavo's feeding tube, the AP reported.
But "both sides agreed that Greer probably will schedule the feeding
tube removal far enough into the future to allow Lazzara time to
consider the new federal lawsuit," the Sentinel reported.

Adding additional urgency is that Terri has been hospitalized with
severe infections, high temperatures, and congested lungs. The family
alleged that Terri's husband has "blocked his wife from getting
proper medical care during the weekend" (of August 30-31), according
to the Sentinel, a charge he denied.

The basic issue is the long-standing fight between Terri's parents
and her husband/ guardian Michael, who argues that his wife would
want the tube through which she is fed removed, according to the AP.
He also argues that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state (PVS),
the Sentinel reported. Judge Greer agrees.

But as Wesley Smith explained in an article that appeared on
nationalreview.com

, "Under Florida law, this means that Terri exhibits no voluntary
action or cognitive behavior of any kind and is unable to communicate
or interact purposely with the environment."

The Schindlers maintain that Terri responds to them when they are in
her presence and have added videos of Terri responding at their web
site www.terrisfight.org. In addition, as Smith wrote,

"Dr. William Hammesfahr, a world-renowned expert in cases such as
Terri's - - and a Nobel Prize nominee - - testified that Terri is not
in a PVS. He also testified that he believes he could help her
improve her circumstances through proper medical treatment. Ten other
physicians have testified or given statements that Terri is not
unconscious. Judge Greer instead chose to believe contrary testimony
by a doctor who rarely sees Terri and another doctor who makes an
avocation of testifying in cases such as Terri's throughout the
country, always on the side of dehydration."

All accounts of the emergency hearing emphasized that "Lazzara openly
doubted whether he has jurisdiction to intervene in a right-to-die
case that has been winding through state courts for five years," as
the Sentinel phrased it. Lazzara labeled the federal lawsuit
a "quintessential shotgun pleading,'' but added, "given the
importance of what's at stake here, I'm going to proceed.'' Two
lawyers argued the case for the Schindlers: Pat Anderson and New
Jersey lawyer Christopher A. Ferrara, who is with the American
Catholic Lawyers Association.

Ferrara characterized the husband as a "rogue guardian," who
had "repeatedly violated his wife's rights under federal laws by
withholding treatment and rehabilitative therapy," the AP reported.

"[The Schindlers] are about to lose their daughter because no one
wants to put a teaspoon of Jello to her mouth," said Ferrara,
according to the Sentinel. "It's insane."

Ferrara was evidently referring to efforts by the Schindlers to have
tests conducted to prove what they believe to be true: that if the
feeding tube were removed, Terri could take food by mouth.

The husband's attorney, George Felos, told the court that the issue
of whether Terri could be spoon-fed "has been a constant and
recurring subject in state court,'' the Sentinel reported. According
to the Sentinel, the family fears "that once a state court orders
Terri Schiavo's feeding tube removed," the husband "will block any
attempt by the Schindlers to feed her by mouth."

The family's 24-page complaint filed August 30 alleged that the
husband, Morton Plant Hospital, and the Hospice of the Florida Sun
Coast "had violated three federal statutes - - the Americans with
Disabilities Act, the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and the Emergency
Medical and Active Labor Act - - as well as Terri's First, Fifth, and
14th Amendment rights. Attorney Felos was named as a non-party co-
conspirator," according to WorldNetDaily.

The husband and his attorney "combined and conspired to deprive Terri
of her constitutional and civil rights," the complaint reads.

Pat Anderson said while a federal district court cannot overturn a
state court decision, it can insist federal laws are followed.

"For example, the judge can order therapy for Terri," she told
WorldNetDaily. "Under the Americans with Disabilities Act she has a
right to therapy. Every day that goes by without therapy is a fresh
violation of her ADA right."

Pamela Hennessy, a volunteer spokesperson for the family, told
WorldNetDaily, "Terri has a lot of fight in her." Hennessey
added, "She survived the weekend against all odds, and the Schindlers
maintain this shows she has a strong determination and desire to keep
on living. They are convinced that Terri is fighting for her life,
but she's not yet out of the woods. They say it is nothing short of
miraculous that she is pulling through."

http://nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL09/schindler_family_turns_to_federa.htm







(Note from Melissa:
More evidence enclosed to prove Terri didn't have a heart attack or
cardiac arrest! A potassium imbalance is not what caused Terri to be
found on the floor, clutching her neck, either, as potassium causes
heart attacks, which Terri NEVER had! Terri was strangled and
severely beaten which is proven by evidence in these posts on this
website with "EVIDENCE" in the title!

Terri never had bulimia, either!

These are all Michael Schiavo's LIES TO DISTRACT AND CONFUSE THE
WORLD, which the CONTROLLED MEDIA WILLINGLY REPEAT, OVER AND OVER!

Michael almost killed her on February 25, 1990 and many times since!

This is why he DESPERATELY wants her DEAD - to SILENCE HER FOREVER,
WHILE HE WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH THE NWO to set ILLEGAL PRECEDENTS
to MURDER TERRI AND COUNTLESS OTHERS!  Melissa - website owner)

Complete Report of Dr. William Hammesfahr
Extensive Report on His Thorough Exam of Terri - Contains GREAT NOTES
by Hammesfahr - Also, Bold text not found on any other site!
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html


Dr. Hammesfahrs contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/

Phone number 1-800-673-6400

Hammesfahr Neurological Institute
600 Druid Road East
Clearwater, Florida 33756 (Terri lives in Clearwater!)

(Tampa Bay, Florida area)

Phone 727-461-4464
Toll Free 1-800-673-6400
Fax 727-443-1984
Email: hnihelp at yahoo.com

(Note:  I took out the @ symbol and put spaces in the e-mail address
as yahoo won't display e-mail address otherwise!)


PATIENT THOUGHTS AND WORDS Re:  Dr. Hammesfahr
http://www.hnionline.com/patient_thoughts_and_words.htm
Click link above to read testimonials about Dr. Hammesfahr and his
wonderful treatments from his patients and their families!

State of Florida Review

NEW-Cunningham Letter  * A new letter about how his daughter is
improving.

Cunningham Letter  * A letter from the founding member of the Key
West Parent to Parent Support Group  for Special Needs Children and
the founding member of the Monroe County Exceptional Student
Exceptional School Advisory Council.  He brought his 12 year old
autistic daughter and within hours saw marked improvement including
got hugs from his daughter.

Pearsall Letter  * Mrs. Pearsall wrote a letter about her son Billy's
amazing improvements from heat stroke.

Lebron Letter  * Mrs. Lebron wrote us a letter about her daughter
Karina's amazing improvement.  She had been suffering from seizure
disorder.  This letter can also be seen in Spanish.  Lebron Letter in
Spanish.

Rogers Letter  *Mrs. Rogers wrote us a letter about her husband
Jasper's continued recovery.

Clubb Letter  * Mrs. Clubb wrote us a letter about her husband's
continued improvement physically and mentally.

Berkal Letter * Mrs. Berkal wrote us an update on her husband who has
made great progress since returning from here.  His improvement is
remarkable.

Arrell Letter  * Mr. Arrell wrote us a letter about his wife's sudden
improvement in speech and muscle movement.  Her muscles had been
immobile for over two years.

Silverman Letter    * Herb Silverman, writes about his many
improvements since coming for treatment and how his life has
changed.  Herb is a past presenter for the National Aphasia Society
and struggled with an inability to speak before coming to us.

Van Ormer Letter  *Mrs. Van Ormer writes about her husband Don's
improvement and how it is the best Christmas present she has ever
had.  Mr. Van Ormer was unable to read due to his stroke affecting
his vision.  He also had severe weakness.  Within two weeks of
returning home, his wife found him reading Newsweek and his strength
has much improved.

Duffy Letter  *Joan and Buddy Duffy sent us a letter that they sent
to the National Stroke Association about his improvements.  He had a
severe brain injury which seemed untreatable before he came.  His
mother writes to help others learn more of our treatment that could
help.

Dr. Campanile Letter  *Dr. Richard Campanile sent us a copy of a
letter he emailed to a patient of his interested in coming here for
treatment.  He describes his first experience observing patients who
underwent our therapy, talking about a woman almost unable to speak
for 15 years from a stroke who dramatically improved.

Pop's Letter  *Larry Senko was unable to work or speak from a severe
stroke for over two years before coming.  After coming, he can now
speak and has developed a new career.  He writes about his many
improvements he has had since coming here on his famous barbeque
sauce website, and writes about the second chance he has had at
life.

Bohne Letter *Mr. and Mrs. Bohne wrote us a letter about their
daughter, Christie who has cerebral palsy and her amazing improvement.

Akron Beacon Journal - Before and After: Clifford Payne's Story

* Although Clifford Payne cannot walk, he plans to attend the walk-a-
thon to show his gratitude for those who care enough to take a walk
for him.

* When he got back, the church was so excited when he walked in...

Contea Costa Times - William Haener's Story

* Before an after interviews done by the Haener's with their local
newspaper.  Hertel even described her father walking up a flight of
stairs to the second story to the hotel by the end of the second week
of treatment

Poem - Those Struck With Stroke

WH  * Her father began to unclench his right hand

CP    * But after 3 days he could move his left leg

WBP * Billy Pearsall is improving in every way

PC    * Phyllis is showing continued improvement in her stroke
rehabilitation

JG    * After 3 days of being on the therapy Lena began feeling
sensation on her right side where there was no feeling before

VF    * Now he is able to do a set of 210 bench presses.  Not bad for
a man who came to you not being able to hold a piece of paper

TT    * I can now drive my car alone

Halle Family    * We have our son back

CW   * You not only saved my life, you gave it back to me

FF     * Frank's dead hand started to move more freely

LS     * Larry continues to surprise us all in recovery from his
stroke

AA     * Last week I was able to sign my name with my affected arm,
which I hadn't been able to do since my stroke.  Alane had her stroke
in October 1997 and came to the Hammesfahr Neurological Institute in
October 2000.

Multiple Comments From Patients

     * But most of all, I accomplished one of my main goals that is to
be back on the dance floor

Albany State University

     * Researcher's thoughts on the Florida Neurological Institute

JJS    * Dr. Hammesfahr has gone forward and successfully changed the
course of countless "ruined" lives

Hartley Health Care Services    * Outside Review of patients treated
during the year 2000 who underwent treatment for stroke and had motor
weakness - 103 of 108 had improvements

Physical Rehabilitation Services    * Outside Review of patients
treated during the years 2000 - 2001 who underwent treatment for
stroke and had motor weakness - 91% had improvement

Alexander Gimon   * Outside Review of patients treated during the
years 2000 - 2001 who underwent treatment for stroke and had
cognitive, personality, memory or intellectual losses from stroke and
brain injury - November 1999 - May 2000: 86% improved on 2 or more
Neurological post tests.  October 2000 - February 2001: 100% of
patients had improved in at least 2 or more Neurological post tests.

Florida Health Care News    *Florida Neurological Institute;
Dedicated to helping stroke victims, stories from patients
interviewed by Florida Health Care News.

Morton Courier        *Fritz Rapp discusses his "medical tune-up" and
how he successfully recovered from a stroke with the help of the
Florida Neurological Institute.

Hemihelp newsletter    *John Hooper Senior explains how a
revolutionary treatment carried out in the US has helped his son who
had cerebral palsy.

http://www.hnionline.com/patient_thoughts_and_words.htm





http://floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/Contact%20Us.htm
More Info. at Link Above! LISTING OF PEER REVIEWED AND AUDITED
RESULTS ON THE HAMMESFAHR NEUROLOGICAL INSTITUTE can be found at link
above! Look at bottom right of page at link above for
"REVIEWED RESULTS"!

http://floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/Contact%20Us.htm
REVIEWED RESULTS: (Click on link above!
Then, Look at bottom right of page)
LISTING OF PEER REVIEWED AND AUDITED RESULTS
ON THE HAMMESFAHR NEUROLOGICAL INSTITUTE
http://floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/results_peer_reviewed_and_publ
is.htm

Peer Reviewed Publications - PROFESSIONAL ARTICLES:
http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/articles.htm

Republished with permission of Medforum, the oldest peer-reviewed
internet based medical journal - http://www.medforum.com/

1997- Improving Neurological Outcome After Stroke Using Cardiac
Medications: A Review of 67 Patients

1995-Cerebral Vasospasm: A Common and Clinically Treatable Entity

1997- Reversing Stroke Using Common Vasodilators

1996- Early Impressions of the Treatment of Vasospasm

1996- Vasospasm: A Primer for Patients

1996- Attention Deficit-Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) Related to
Vasospasm as an Etiology

1997- The Use of Vasodilators and Treatment of Refractory Seizures
and Psychogenic Seizures

1997- Treatment of Patients with Post-Concussion Symptoms Related to
Vasospasm

1997- To a New Understanding of Personality, Behavior, and
Neurological Disease

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Doctor testifies Terri Schiavo is improving
http://abcactionnews.com/stories/2002/10/021014schiavo.shtml
an ABC Action News report 10/14/02
related story: Judge to decide Terri Schavio's fate (10/11/02)


Dr. William Hammesfahr believes Terri Schiavo could recover with more
treatment.
CLEARWATER - A doctor hired by Terri Schiavo's family took the stand
in day two of the fight to keep the Clearwater woman alive.

Dr. William Hammesfahr testified about a new treatment he believes
can help her. The procedure increases blood flow to a stroke
patient's brain, giving it more oxygen, and helping them regain some
brain function.

"So you can get major improvements from patients who have been
plateaued for a very long time. It's just like in heart disease. If
you don't treat a person with medication after their heart attack,
then three or five or 10 years later, start treating them with
nitroglycerin, inhibitors, or calcium channel blockers, you're going
to see improvement in those patients," Dr. Hammesfahr said.

Hammesfahr is the same doctor who gave Terri a test on the home video
played in court Friday. He believes Terri was responsive during that
test.
http://abcactionnews.com/stories/2002/10/021014schiavo.shtml



All Press Releases for October 9, 2004
    Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel Prize Nominee, Says Major
Improvement Possible for Disabled People Speaking At The World
Congress on Disability
   People can gain substantial reversal of previous defecits of all
types through increased blood flow to the damaged areas. Nobel Prize
nominee, Dr. William Hammesfahr,will share his protocol using
medication and hyperbaric oxygen with the World Congress on
Disability in Orlando.

ORLANDO, FL (PRWEB) October 9, 2004 -- "Contrary to popular
belief in
mainstream medicine, most people can see major restoration of
disabilities through proper medication and therapy," says Dr.
William
Hammesfahr. He was invited to share his protocolwith the World
Congress on Disability in Orlando on Friday, October 8, 2004 at 4:00
pm.

Dr. William Hammesfahr, M.D.,noted neurologist, will be a featured
lecturer, speaking about "Restoring Disability: A
Multi-Disciplinary
Approach". Dr. Hammesfahr will be commenting on approaches to
improving disabilities through increasing blood flow to the damaged
areas with medications and hyperbaric oxygen. Dr. Hammesfahr is a
recognized expert in treating neurological disorders through
improving and normalizing blood flow into the damaged areas.

Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and
Physiology in 1999 for his work in brain injury and stroke. He has
successfully treated thousands of patients using vasodilator therapy
which increases blood flow to the brain healing conditions previously
thought to be untreatable. He has been using this technology for more
than a decade with good results. Patients are seeing remarkable
reduction in pain, return of function in previously unusable limbs,
and return of lost sight, hearing, and other function.

In 2000, this work resulted in approval for the first patent in
history granted for the treatment of neurological diseases including
coma, stroke, brain injury, cerebral palsy, hypoxic injuries and
other neurovascular disorders with medications that restore blood
flow to the brain. It was extended to treat successfully disabilities
including ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourette's and Autism as well as
behaviorally and emotionally disturbed children, seizures and severe
migraines.

The federal government has recognized Dr. Hammesfahr's clinical
expertise, naming him Reviewer and Chief Reviewer for evaluation and
funding for new clinical research programs. He has also been a court-
recognized expert and a court-ordered treating physician for these
techniques that he pioneered. He has lectured and published
extensively.

Dr. Hammesfahr graduated from the Northwestern Honors Program in
Medical Education in 1982, a program which only accepts a small
number of high school students directly into medical school. He then
trained in Neurosurgery and Neurology at the Medical College in
Virginia. He has received Board Certification in both Neurology and
Pain Management.

Dr. Hammesfahr's work has been presented at numerous conferences
and
on the web. He has been invited to speak at the Anti-Aging Conference
in Las Vegas on December 2nd. The World Congress on Disability is
October 7-9, 2004 from 9-5. He will be speaking on Friday. October
8th at 4:00pm. : All conference activities will be held at: The
Orange County Convention Center, Orlando, Florida

(I just found this Press Release at 12:36 AM today, October 25th!
This kills me as I live a little near Orlando!  I would have gone in
a heartbeat, had I known about this!!!  Melissa)

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/10/prwebxml166025.php




NATIONAL ENQUIRER 1998 featuring Dr. William Hammesfahr
READ THIS!  NATIONAL ENQUIRER ( DECEMBER 1998).

http://floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/national_enquirer_1998.htm



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State of Florida Review:
Determination Upheld By A Full Vote

The Florida Board of Medicine, January 2003

"Florida Physician declared "the first physician to treat patients
successfully to restore deficits caused by stroke" syas Judge Susan
Kirkland of the Florida Department of Health."

Click Here to Read More!
http://www.hnionline.com/pressrelease.htm

With that statement, a new era in medicine was recognized, the
ability to get patients better after stroke.  Dr. William Hammesfahr
of Tampa Bay, Florida has pioneered a therapy to treat stroke and
brain injuries successfully using FDA approved medications.

Dr. Hammesfahr, in private practice, discovered that certain FDA
approved medications might help increase blood flow to damaged areas
of the brain after stroke and other injuries.  Thus, injuries that
were thought to be permanent, even years after a patient had stopped
improving, could now be treated successfully, and most patients would
improve.  Essentially, this means that most patients with permanent
injuries from a stroke can get better, even years after their
stroke.  Most patients with permanent brain injuries, even years
after their injury, can get better.

Further work showed that it was also applicable to other diseases of
the brain where insufficient blood flow to the brain is part of the
problem, diseases like Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD / ADHD),
Migraine, Dementia, Autism, and Schizophrenia.

Click here to read more!
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FOXNews.com Hannity & Colmes TV Interview
Foul Play In Terri Schiavo Case?
Hannity & Colmes, October 27, 2003

Joining us now is Terri's father, Robert Schindler. And also joining
us, a neurosurgeon who has examined Terri, Dr. William Hammesfahr.

(Note from Melissa-saveterrislife website owner:
Terri never had a heart attack!  Potassium isn't an issue, either, as
potassium causes damage by causing heart attacks, and Terri never had
a heart attack!  Terri never had a cardiac arrest either!)

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: A 1990 heart attack left Terri Schiavo
(search) with severe brain damage. Since then a legal battle has
raged over whether or not to keep her alive. On October 15 her
feeding tube was removed, according to her husband's wishes.

Last week, after intervention by the Florida legislature, Governor
Jeb Bush (search) ordered that her feeding tube be reinserted. Now
time is running out for Terri's husband to challenge the
constitutionality of the law that's been dubbed by many as Terri's
Law.

So what will happen next in this tragic case? Joining us now is
Terri's father, Robert Schindler. And also joining us, a neurosurgeon
who has examined Terri, Dr. William Hammesfahr.

All right. Thank you both for being with us.

How is she doing first of all, Mr. Schindler, after the tube now has
been reinserted?

ROBERT SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S FATHER: She's really made a
remarkable combat. She's very, very tired naturally, being without
food for seven days and hydration. But today, she was probably a
little more responsive than yesterday, and she was very agitated
today. She didn't want to bother with anybody or anything.

HANNITY: Yes. Doctor, you've examined her, and you've come to the
conclusion, No. 1, that can she can be rehabilitated. And when is the
last time you evaluated her and what else did you find?

DR. WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, NEUROLOGIST: I saw her last about a year ago
for the court. I want to just jump in here for a second. I'm a
neurologist and not a neurosurgeon.

HANNITY: I'm sorry.

HAMMESFAHR: I saw her last about a year ago and as part of the court
ordered evaluations.

HANNITY: Yes, but you basically said that she could be rehabilitated,
that she showed...

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely. She is not in a coma. She did not have a
heart attack. She is not in a coma presently. She absolutely can be
rehabilitated. There's no question about that.

HANNITY: You know, Mr. ...

HAMMESFAHR: In fact, she follows commands right now. She follows
commands right now.

HANNITY: Well, I can see that.

HAMMESFAHR: She's not in a coma.

HANNITY: I'm not a doctor, but when I see this video it's heart-
wrenching to me and the fact that this poor women went six days
without a feeding tube is frightening to me.

The last time we had you on, Mr. Schindler, you were very harsh in
your comments about the husband. And you believe his fear is, is that
if your daughter wakes up, she will have to -- a tale to tell about
him. Can you...

SCHINDLER: That comes from the evidence that there's medical evidence
that she had a neck injury. And as the doctor said, she had no heart
attack. And her ribs and parts of her body suffered fractures.

HANNITY: Yes.

SCHINDLER: And there's really no explanation for what her collapse
was. Not at all.

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Doctor Hammesfahr, I read the medical report.
There was a report that when she came into the E.R., she had a rigid
neck. Is that consistent with a neck injury?

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely, yes, it is. They also did X-rays at the
emergency room and the X-rays showed straightening of the normal
spinal curvature, which is very typical of a new neck injury.

COLMES: We heard a lot about low potassium, but this neck injury
stuff is very interesting. Would that kind of a situation be
consistent with the possibility of foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I'd like to go back to the potassium for a second,
because he talked about the potassium and about the diet pills issue
or some other drugs.

COLMES: Sure. Sure.

HAMMESFAHR: But the medical record clearly shows that there has never
been a heart attack. Potassium causes damage by causing heart
attacks, so we know the potassium is not an issue.

COLMES: But with the rigid neck, is that consistent with what could
be foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I have seen a neck that rigid from trauma to the neck.

COLMES: All right. So you wouldn't venture to say foul play but --
are you intimating that?

HAMMESFAHR: I think that that type of a neck that shows a degree of
injury, and I think that it needs to be looked at much more closely
to find out the exact cause.

Right now we have a woman who had a collapse with no known cause. No
evidence of infection, heart attack, respiratory failure or anything.
The only thing found in the emergency room is a damaged neck.

COLMES: Mr. Schindler, are you going to try to prove foul play at
some point and try to press some kind of a case here against your son-
in- law?

SCHINDLER: Well, what we're trying to do, there are two issues. One
is to get Terri therapy, because we believe she can recover.

And the second thing is we want to have an investigation. We're
asking the local police, the attorney, and no one will touch it.
There's a cap on it. Someone's blocking everything.

HANNITY: Mr. Schindler, we're going to continue to follow this story.
I'm very, very grateful to the Florida legislature and Jeb Bush. I
think they did the right thing, and we'll monitor this and have you
back on again.

SCHINDLER: So were we. Thank you very much.

HANNITY: Doctor, good to see you. Appreciate you being with us.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101458,00.html



The doctor who complimented Terri for following the balloon later
testified in court that she was in a persistent vegetative state!

The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" at this link:

http://host85.ipowerweb.com/~friendso/balloon.rm

allows you to see and hear the examination.

When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look over here,
Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you go. Can
you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here. That's
fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you, huh?
You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here. That's
good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]

(The NWO PLAN! Melissa)

Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus - Probably Due To Head Trauma

The following quotes are excerpts from the article, Interview With
Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery!]

Margaret Juneman's notes:

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Ron Panzer's notes:

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html



Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations - The notes
below were taken from this broadcast, which you can now listen to!

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Listen to the archived 01/07/04 Highway2Health broadcast with Dr.
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Try the 2nd link if the 1st link doesn't work!

Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

Margaret Juneman's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

These are notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet
broadcast featuring Dr. Hammesfahr on Highway2health.net.

These notes were written by Margaret Juneman. Parenthetical
statements were added by Joe and Margaret Juneman. [Lisa's comments
are included in brackets.]

Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully
to restore deficits caused by stroke. His technique is approved by
Medicare, and he was nominated in 1999 for a Nobel prize for this
work which he started in 1994.

Dr. Hammesfahr has great success. Most doctors think a brain injury
that has been there awhile is not treatable. He has had success with
these cases and he is convinced Terri would improve. (Improvement
should not be required for Terri to be allowed to live).

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's behavior indicates that he is also
convinced Terri would improve. He is so sure Terri would improve with
therapy that he not only illegally prevents her from receiving
rehabilitation, but he keeps her under armed guard for fear someone
will give her unauthorized sensory input! The phony persistent
vegetative state ruse is being maintained at all cost. It is no
wonder that Michael, with the blessings and protection of the court,
defies Florida law by denying Terri her legal right to
rehabilitation.]

According to Dr. William Hammesfahr, world renowned neurologist:

Terri's feeding tube is for the convenience of nurses; not because
Terri needs it. Terri does not drool. Liquid is the hardest thing to
swallow, and she swallows 1½ to 2 liters of saliva a day.

Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state or coma. She is a
living, thinking person who makes choices and decisions. This is
terrible. They are trying to kill her. While Dr. Hammesfahr was
examining her, he observed Terri chose to ignore her husband Michael
and the person taking the video.

When Terri heard her mother's voice, she smiled and tracked her.
Terri moved her arms and legs as Dr. Hammesfahr requested her to.

[Lisa's note: Dr. Hammesfahr mentioned that during his ten hour
examination, Terri responded well to verbal requests to move, and
even moved to the point where it caused her pain in order to comply
with a request. He indicated that such movements are definitely not
reflexive.]

(Videotapes show Terri reacting to people. These are at
terrisfight.org. Scroll down to Videos of Terri.) A persistent
vegetative state, by definition, allows no awareness of the world or
ability to interact with the world.

[Lisa's note: Judge Greer LIED and "found" Terri in a "persistent
vegetative state" in clear violation of the Florida statue, which
defines the term, "persistent vegetative state":

"Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible
condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any
kind.

(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the
environment.

[Real Player is needed to view the videos.]

(The video entitled, "Asked to open her eyes" allows you to see and
hear the examination. When she opened her eyes on command, the doctor
said, There you go, good. Good! (Laughing) Good job! Good job, young
lady, good job!)

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]


Terri did not have a heart attack. There were no cardiac enzymes in
her blood, and no abnormalities in her EKG.

Terri was admitted into the emergency room with a very, very stiff
neck consistent with brand new injury to her neck.

[Lisa's note: Testimony given at a 2002 evidentiary hearing revealed
that Terri was presented at the emergency room with
an "extraordinarily rigid neck" described by one physician
as "consistent with attempted strangulation." See: Court to hear
petition to remove husband as guardian]

Dr. Hammesfahr had seen the combination of injuries Terri suffered
(spinal cord injury, brain injury, and neck injury) one other time.
That was in an attempted strangulation case.

A police report was sent to homicide. There was no follow-up; no
investigation by police. Dr. Hammesfahr said Terri's situation is
unique. He consistently sees wrong things happen to Terri. There is
no law enforcement follow-up now for fear of stepping on toes.

[Lisa's note: There is no law enforcement because the police fear the
people "in high places" who are trying to pull off this very
obviously ILLEGAL murder plot. Everyone closely involved with this
case knows that the plan to kill Terri is a government operation, and
they are either actively helping them with this agenda or passively
helping them by refusing to stand in their way.]

Terri's bone scan revealed Terri was a victim of multiple traumas -
doctors were mandated to report it. There was no history of trauma
prior to her marrying Michael. The fractures had to happen after
marrying him. First lumbar vertebra fracture is common when thrown
against a table.

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery! Of course this is illegal too, but he trusts
the governmental euthanasia planners to see to it that he suffers no
repercussions for habitually breaking laws in order to harm Terri.]

Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions
fail someone in so many ways.

[Lisa's note: When an extremely important facet of The Plan is in
process, everyone falls into step...or else. Some, however, fear God
more than certain governmental officials with satanic agendas.]

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Judge Greer would not allow an eye examination, even though she is
legally blind. She can only see objects 12 to 18 inches away.

[Lisa's note: Terri would be more responsive with eyeglasses. Of
course such increased responsiveness would conflict with the
judge's "finding" that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state, so
Terri is not permitted any help with her visual difficulties.]

She is isolated even though her condition demands sensory input.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's insistence upon Terri being
(illegally) kept in isolation is all for the purpose of making her
appear as "vegetative" as they possibly can. Even with such
outrageous abuse, Terri is still much too responsive for the
euthanasia planners' comfort level.]

Terri's medical records, which are legal documents, were falsified.
Detailed records of Terri's responsiveness were thrown away. Nurses
who were not even on duty wrote fraudulent reports as though they had
been caring for Terri.

[Lisa's note: Truth is an enemy when a "persistent vegetative state"
agenda is being imposed on a person who is not in such a state.]

Why is it that Terri has to prove herself worthy of living? This is
against the law in Florida. She is not in a persistent vegetative
state. She is not terminal, even though she has been (illegally) in a
hospice.

[Lisa's note: It is all about conditioning for the global government
which is being instituted in stages in the United States. Worthy
people (people who further the globalist agenda) live, the unworthy
(people who do not further the globalist agenda) are deemed worthy of
death. People are being conditioned to think of life and death in
these terms.]


(If the judge were to order a swallowing test, strict care would be
needed to ensure Terri were not sedated to the point she could not
swallow. )

[Lisa's note: Excellent point. Terri could be sedated at times it
is "crucial" for her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, such as
during examinations. Perhaps she is sedated on the whim of the people
managing her care. (This could be the main reason Michael will not
permit Terri's parents to see her medical records!) If Terri is
sedated, it is easier for them continue to perpetrate
their "persistent vegetative state" ruse. I think it is amazing that
even with all these ploys against her, Terri's natural beauty still
shines through.]

(This is not about letting her die because she is not dying. This is
about deliberately killing her: Murder.)

[Lisa's note: This is about seeking to murder Terri Schiavo, but it
is more. It is a crucial test to see how much euthanasia conditioning
the American people have already succumbed to. The euthanasia
planners have broken laws, manipulated Terri's care and records to
cause her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, and aided and
abetted Michael in committing felonies, in order to try to have a
targeted individual killed. What are you going to do about it?]


Dr. Hammesfahrs contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/
E-mail address hnihelp@...
Phone number 1-800-673-6400


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Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

Startling details about Terri Schindler Schiavo Revealed!

Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance Newsletter January 8, 2004

Notes on Wednesday nights' interview (1/7/04) with neurologist,
William Hammesfahr, MD.

WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, MD was interviewed Wednesday night on
Highway2health.net by Ron Panzer, President of Hospice Patients
Alliance. Dr. Hammesfahr is board certified in neurology and pain
management. He has spent many hours directly with Terri Schiavo and
reviewed the medical records directly. Dr. Hammesfahr unequivocally
stated that Terri is absolutely NOT in a persistent vegetative state
and definitely responds to instructions from those around her, that
she makes choices and shows decision-making ability in how she
responds.

Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the medical record was in a state of
shambles when it was given, that it was out of order by date and that
much of the medical record was never given to the Schindlers or Dr.
Hammesfahr! NEVER! Dr. Hammesfahr stated that there are notes in the
medical record by nurses who were NOT working at the time they stated
they were caring for Terri. Also, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that parts of
the medical record were completely missing! Dr. Hammesfahr explained
that Terri's blood sugar level upon admission to the hospital was
about 400 (373). When asked why it would be that high, since Terri
was NOT and is not a diabetic, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
emergency medical technicians who arrived by ambulance probably gave
Terri D-5-W, a dextrose in water solution. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed
that EMTs would check a patient's blood glucose level as part of
their routine, when assessing a patient like Terri who had collapsed.
The only reason they would give D-5-W would likely be that they
discovered upon testing Terri, that her blood sugar was LOW at the
time of the collapse. Since Terri was not HYPO-glycemic and was not
diabetic, a POSSIBLE explanation for Terri having LOW blood sugar at
the time of her collapse is that she may have been injected with
insulin.

Noted, of course, was the sworn AFFIDAVIT/testimony of a nurse who
cared for Terri later on in the early 1990s, that Terri was found
shaking, pale and agitated after a visit by Michael Schiavo. In that
nurse's affidavit, the nurse stated that she found a vial of insulin
in Terri's PRIVATE room. Since Terri did not have diabetes, there
would be no reason for a vial of insulin to be in the garbage can in
her room at the nursing home. Dr. Hammesfahr and I agreed that we had
never seen any nurse or physician bring a vial of insulin into a
patient's room when administering insulin. The standard of practice
is to prepare a medication beforehand at the nurse's station, note
what medication is given in the medication administration record, and
then bring the syringe with the insulin in it to the patient, but NOT
the vial.

That a vial of insulin was found in Terri's room is not normal
practice even if Terri were getting insulin, but she was NOT and
never was on insulin! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that, although Michael
Schiavo admits to "shaking Terri up" Terri's injuries and condition
are not explainable due to anyone shaking her head ... that her
clinical condition would have been different if that was the sole
cause of her brain injury. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the type of
injury and clinical condition Terri had at the time of her collapse
could be explained by a possible strangulation attempt and/or an
insulin injection combined with some form of attack or trauma.

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that no police investigation was done to
look into Terri's condition, even after a bone scan (13 months after
her collapse) revealed multiple TRAUMA and broken bones. Dr.
Hammesfahr stated that the broken bones could NOT be explained by any
form of bone disease, that these were ABSOLUTELY broken bones and
that it must have been done through trauma, injury to her. Dr.
Hammesfahr said that other physicians had also come to the same
conclusion. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Michael Schiavo kept these
bone scans and other medical records secret for over a DECADE. [They
were only released in 2002!]

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of
the heart but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her. He stated that Terri
had marked injury to her neck which still exists today, and that he
has only seen a similar injury, with spinal cord involvement as well
as brain injury, in one case where a patient had been strangled. He
stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her spine, which he stated is
common among persons being thrown against a table, for example. Dr.
Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in the
very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE
Michael got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that
after Michael got the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that in the early years, Terri had had a very
small device surgically implanted into her brain to provide
therapeutic very low dosages of electrical stimulation to the brain,
which could help Terri, and which DID help Terri when it was first
started. However, after Michael got the money, Michael did not allow
further attempts to help Terri in this way. In addition, Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that the device (or any device) implanted, would
normally be carefully monitored so that no infection would occur and
no harm come to the patient. However, in Terri's case that was not
done and has not been done.

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri was also tested with balloons
to see if she would follow the balloon with her eyes and head when
instructed to do so. Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri did follow
the balloons when instructed, and that she did so, even though
turning her head far enough to the side caused her pain. He pointed
out that reflex actions are usually to avoid pain, but in Terri's
case she turned her head into painful positions in order to follow
the instructions of the physician testing her. Dr. Hammesfahr
confirmed that several experts in neurology agree that Terri could
improve, can improve and that everything that should be done for her
is NOT being done. In fact, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
isolation and deliberate removal of all stimulation from Terri is
harming Terri, depriving her of the input and stimulation which would
help her reach a higher cognitive level and ability. He stated that
Terri should be getting much exposure to sights, sounds and other
forms of rehabilitation.

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that Dr. Ronald Cranford (who testified for
Michael Schiavo and George Felos' side - the right to die agenda) ...
that Dr. Cranford was NOT a neurologist and was not an expert in the
field. Also, that Dr. Cranford spent less than ONE hour with Terri
totally! Yet the court relied on Dr. Cranford's testimony, rather
than several other neurologists, including Dr. Hammesfahr. [The court
was not gathering information in order to rule based on fact, it was
simply following an agenda.]

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that as a physician and a person, he is
outraged at the mistreatment Terri is receiving and that the denial
of rehabilitation for Terri violates the standards of medical
practice! He can be contacted at: William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. 600
Druid Road East Clearwater, Florida 34616 Tel: 727.461.4464 [end of
notes on the interview - Ron Panzer]


http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

http://libertytothecaptives.net

Extensive info. and evidence here about Terri
from a fellow Terri supporter!



EVIDENCE OF STRANGULATION AND TRAUMA DONE TO TERRI
PLUS PROOF TERRI'S HUSBAND, MICHAEL SCHIAVO WANTS
TERRI DEAD. MAINLY TO SILENCE HER FOREVER DUE TO
HE DOESN'T WANT HER TO EVER TELL THE WORLD WHAT HE
HAS DONE TO HER AND WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE TO HER TO HELP
MICHAEL SCHIAVO ABUSE, EXPLOIT, NEGLECT, ATTEMPT TO MURDER HER,
AND TO COVER ALL OF THIS UP, WITH COOPERATION FROM MANY, MANY
PEOPLE! PLUS, MUCH MORE:

Bone scan done on Terri Schindler-Schiavo on March 5, 1991 (53 weeks
after her so called "collapse" when she was at home alone with only
her "husband", Michael Schiavo), as well as injuries Terri
sufferedindicate and injuries indicate that Terri was a victim of
severe trauma and strangulation!

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_abuse.htm

State-Funded Agency to Probe Claim of Spousal Abuse in Terri Schiavo
Case



Bone scan and injuries indicate severe trauma and strangulation
TAMPA BAY, October 27, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Florida State
Advocacy Center for Persons with Disabilities, has decided to launch
an investigation into the spousal abuse claims of the parents of
Terri Schiavo. The severely disabled Florida woman whose life was
spared by an executive order by Governor Jeb Bush to halt her court-
ordered starvation, has, according to experts, sustained injuries
consistent with abuse.

Michael Schiavo, Terri's estranged husband, who has been in a long-
fought court battle with Terri's parents to end her life, fuelled
suspicions of abuse when he sought and was granted a court order that
Terri's remains would be cremated immediately following her death.
Terri's parents, the Schindlers, were requesting an autopsy.

Other factors pointing to abuse include:

- Testimony of nurses who looked after Terri indicated that Michael
was verbally abusive to Terri and may have attempted to kill her by
insulin injection and attempts to induce pneumonia by turning the
thermostat in her room to 64 degrees.

- Michael Baden, one of the most acclaimed forensic experts in North
America, in an interview on Fox News National Television broadcast
Saturday said Terri's bone scan indicates that Terri's injuries are
not consistent with the suggested explanation of a heart attack or
potassium imbalance. He said they are consistent with severe trauma
possibly caused by a beating and would warrant an immediate
investigation.

- Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee and neurologist,
testified that Terri's neck injuries are consistent with only one
type of injury: that of strangulation.

Commenting on the case, Alex Schadenberg of the Euthanasia Prevention
Coalition said, "It would come as no surprise to me that she had been
abused previous to her disability, knowing that since1993 she has
received continuous abuse by being denied basic medical care,
visitation of loved ones, religious visits, and any form of
rehabilitation."

Schadenberg warned however that the practice of euthanasia by
withdrawal of nutrition and hydration from people who are not
otherwise dying is common both in the United States and Canada. He
pointed out that the argumentation around the case is not addressing
the central point that nutrition and hydration should not be
considered medical treatment. He noted that a 1990 U.S. Supreme Court
decision wrongly allowed nutrition and hydration to be considered
medical treatment.

In response to the six-day denial of food and fluids to Terri
Schindler-Schiavo, the National Right to Life Committee is calling on
state legislatures throughout the nation to move to protect people
with disabilities from being denied food and fluids. The organization
has issued a "Model Starvation and Dehydration of Persons with
Disabilities Prevention Act."

See the NRLC model legislation for States:
http://www.nrlc.org/euthanasia/modelstatelaw.html

See the Chicago Tribune coverage and the Fox interview:
http://www.terrisfight.org/chitrib.html
http://www.terrisfight.org/baden.html

Terri's supporters have also asked pro-lifers to encourage AARP to
intervene to save Terri's life and not against it: flaarp@...

See also
Media 'getting it wrong' on Terri Schiavo story
Press erroneously report she's 'comatose,' doctors also dispute
vegetative-state ruling

** People who are aware of the truth are calling in to radio and
television stations insisting that they correct the misinformation.
For example, Toronto News radio station 680 was reporting last week
that Shiavo was in a persistive vegetative state. LifeSite called to
say that that was not correct. The news room immediately acknowledged
the error and corrected it. This would not have happened had no one
called.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35270


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/oct/03102701.html

<Back To Terri Schiavo
Main Page http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri.htm

THE SAGA OF TERRI SCHIAVO

Note: Link above has extensive information and MORE LINKS
about Terri and this corrupt case!



More links here:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri_story.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_michael.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_felos.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_greer.htm
:
http://hospicepatients.org/Hosp-FL-Suncoast-entrypage.html

http://hospicepatients.org/is-the-hospice-A-faithful-Steward-of-
Donations.html

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri_labyak.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_martha.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri_sheriff.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri_barbara.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_wolfson.htm

Go here for more links (see left side of page for these links and
more)

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri.htm


More Links:

APFN UPDATES

Terri's Fight

Legislators in Favor of Terri's Law

Terri Wants To Live!

Crimes Against Humanity

A Criminal Matter

Disabled Woman Would Cry 'Help Me,'

Disabled Woman's Family, Former Nurses Seek Inquiry

Highlights Differences Between Two Neurologically Disabled

Gov. Bush Has Authority To Stop Death Of Terri Schiavo

Doctor Disputes Media Claims Terri Will Not Suffer Agonizing Death

Justice In America Dehumanizing The Disabled

Two Courts Deny Another Last-Minute Motion to Save Terri Schiavo

Letter to '$$The Death Factory'

Terri Schiavo To Die In Attorney's "Death Factory"?

Florida's Terri Case Opens the Door for Euthanasia in the USA

Terri Schiavo Story

AAPS Doctors: Schindler-Schiavo is NOT a "death with dignity" issue

Michael Schiavo Is Being Charged With Perjured Testimony and Fraud On
the Court

Terri's Medical Fund is Being Used To Facilitate Her Death

PDF FILE: Where Has the Money Gone?

[TERRISFIGHT] Family anger in coma woman case

State-Funded Agency to Probe Claim of Spousal Abuse in Terri Schiavo
Case


American Patriot Friends Network

"...a network of net workers..."

TERRI HAS HYDROCEPHALUS AND MUST BE TREATED FOR THIS CONDITIION
CAUSED BY TRAUMA TO THE HEAD BY HER HUSBAND MICHAEL SCHAIVO:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/28

WILL BE POSTING MORE HERE ASAP-KEEP COMING TO THIS SITE FOR MORE INFO!

Note:  Newly found info. on this precious baby, Luke Winston-Jones,
will be posted on my site ASAP.  Keep checking back to learn more!
Melissa Friday, 10-22-04


------- Forwarded message follows -------
From:           "Pamela Hennessy" <phenn@...>
To:             "Pamela Hennessy" <phenn@...>
Subject:        urgent:- Luke Winston-Jones's  case in the HighCourt
Date sent:      Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:45:29 -0400

Thanks to S for forwarding this important action item along.
----------------------------------------------------------

7:15 AM
Subject: urgent

For your urgent attention It was sent to me by a Colin Barnes,
Disability Studies Lecturer, University of Leeds


Hello everyone.

Only days after the High Court ruled that it is OK for doctors to
refuse to offer life support to Charlotte Whyatt, the family of
another disabled baby are facing the same Right to Life battle.

Luke Winston-Jones's mother Ruth will be at the High Court in London
this coming Thursday and Friday to fight for her son's life.

As Ruth says "Luke is a beautiful child who has real quality of life
and is full of personality. Luke's biggest health problem at the
moment is the hole he has in his heart which Alder Hey and other
hospitals in the UK have refused to correct due to the fact that Luke
has Edwards syndrome. Luke is being refused the treatment he so
vitally needs, even though children with Edwards can live many years."

Luke's family have asked disabled people and their allies to show
their solidarity by coming to the courts on either 21st or 22nd
October and or to sign the following petition.


If you want to get involved simply cut and paste the following and
add your name and address on sending.

Petition

We do not think that judges and medical staff should be able to
decide on who should or should not receive life saving treatment on
the basis of disability / impairment.    We support Luke Winston-
Jones Equal Rights to Life.  We call upon Parliament to amend the
Disability Discrimination Act so that disabled children like Luke
have equal right to life and access to life saving treatment.


Send emails of support to:  mail@...


Please disseminate to others widely and very quickly.

FREEOURPEOPLE

Colin Revell

------- End of forwarded message -------


-- "Your Rights Are Your Security.
     He Who Demands Your Rights
     Aims To Take Your Security
--vetzine@... -- http://vetzine.blogspot.com/
      "These Orwellian Times" On  Crusade Radio
        http://www.crusaderadio.com
        Speak Up For Freedom Of Speech

Under Florida Civil Rules of Procedure, a probate case or any other
court judgment can be reopened upon a showing of new evidence or
circumstances that the judgment is no longer valid.


Melissa Roxanne Stanley Monday October 11 - 04

Melissa Roxanne Stanley Online Researcher e-mail:
saveterrislife@...
Website http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages
Website  http://www.saveterrislife.com

Topic: Research Results - The Summary And More Evidence Part Three in
a Three Part Series on Terri Schindler

Stanley will summarize detailed evidence in this blatantly corrupt
case which most people have never heard. She will also dispel the
prolific lies which have been intentionally fed to the public in
order to further this murderous plot to finish off Terri and move on
to the rest of those deemed expendable.

Terri Schindler-Schiavo has Hydrocephalus from head trauma caused by
Terri's husband severely beating her. It's also caused by Terri's
husband, Michael Schiavo's failure to get medical followup for Terri
after electrodes were implanted in her brain (illegal experimental
surgery which Michael Schiavo never got prior court permission for as
legally required to.) Hydrocephalus can be life threatening if not
treated and Terri has most likely had it since February 25, 1990 when
Michael strangled Terri, brutally beat her, and probably injected her
with insulin (per evidence).

This condition is very treatable with a 45 minute operation to put a
shunt in to drain the excess cerebrospinal fluid from the brain.
Terri needs this treatment, and if I can get enough publicity that
she has this disorder, it would help tremendously, as she is entitled
to a new trial based on this alone!

Under Florida Civil Rules of Procedure, a probate case or any other
court judgment can be reopened upon a showing of new evidence or
circumstances that the judgment is no longer valid. (The corrupt
Judge ruled that there is no treatment for Terri short of a miracle
and the 2nd District Court of Appeal backed him up! This is a
complete and total lie and I have extensive evidence to prove it!).
There are many other reasons Terri is entitled to a new trial!  She
has been denied her due process rights and due process procedural
rights such as right to an attorney to represent HER, not her
parents, but HER, and right to a Guardian Ad Litem, both required by
law.  There are many other reasons but these reasons alone are HUGE
reasons why Terri has the right to a new Grand Jury trial!  Governor
Jeb Bush could stop this whole thing, and save Terri's life,
including ordering a full scale intvestigation into the many abuses,
neglect, and exploitation Terri has suffered, including what her
husband did to her on February 25, 1990, but he has REFUSED to do
so!  With the mere stroke of a pen, Gov. Bush could stop this!  Read
the expert attorneys' letters to Jeb Bush on this website or here:

http://www.saveterrislife.com (my brand new site - easy to remember!)
I will be updating both my sites with much more info. always, so
please keep checking back!

I will be talking about this and much more the public never hears
about (due to the press lies about Terri as the NWO mandates) for
show # 3 in a 3 part series on Terri on "These Orwellian Times". This
show airs Monday, October 11th from 11 PM - Noon Eastern on
http://www.crusaderadio.com

Another great site to find extensive evidence and info. about Terri
and this corrupt case is at:

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net

Look at middle of the page at the above site for
"What's New at Liberty to the Captives" and under that section, also
see "must see" articles which dispel the LIES such as that Terri had
a heart attack or cardiac arrest, (as the media LIES ABOUT OVER AND
OVER), and much more!  The heart attack / cardiac arrest LIE is just
one of hundreds of LIES which benefit Michael Schiavo, Terri's
abusive husband, who intends to MURDER her, and has attempted to do
so on NUMEROUS occasions by many different methods!

The doctor who complimented Terri for following the balloon later
testified in court that she was in a persistent vegetative state!

The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" at this link:

http://host85.ipowerweb.com/~friendso/balloon.rm

allows you to see and hear the examination.

When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look over here,
Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you go. Can
you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here. That's
fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you, huh?
You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here. That's
good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]

(The NWO PLAN!  Melissa)

Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus - Probably Due To Head Trauma

The following quotes are excerpts from the article, Interview With
Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery!]

Margaret Juneman's notes:

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Ron Panzer's notes:

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html



Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations - The notes
below were taken from this broadcast, which you can now listen to!

Right click on the link to save it to your hard drive!

Listen to the archived 01/07/04  Highway2Health broadcast with Dr.
William Hammesfahr

by clicking here:
http://www.highway2health.net/media/H2H_01-07-04_RonPanzer-Terri-1.wma

http://highway2health.net/media/H2H_01-07-04_RonPanzer-Terri-1.wma

Try the 2nd link if the 1st link doesn't work!

Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

Margaret Juneman's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

These are notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet
broadcast featuring Dr. Hammesfahr on Highway2health.net.

These notes were written by Margaret Juneman. Parenthetical
statements were added by Joe and Margaret Juneman. [Lisa's comments
are included in brackets.]

Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully
to restore deficits caused by stroke. His technique is approved by
Medicare, and he was nominated in 1999 for a Nobel prize for this
work which he started in 1994.

Dr. Hammesfahr has great success. Most doctors think a brain injury
that has been there awhile is not treatable. He has had success with
these cases and he is convinced Terri would improve. (Improvement
should not be required for Terri to be allowed to live).

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's behavior indicates that he is also
convinced Terri would improve. He is so sure Terri would improve with
therapy that he not only illegally prevents her from receiving
rehabilitation, but he keeps her under armed guard for fear someone
will give her  unauthorized sensory input! The phony persistent
vegetative state ruse is being maintained at all cost. It is no
wonder that Michael, with the blessings and protection of the court,
defies Florida law by denying Terri her legal right to
rehabilitation.]

According to Dr. William Hammesfahr, world renowned neurologist:

Terri's feeding tube is for the convenience of nurses; not because
Terri needs it. Terri does not drool. Liquid is the hardest thing to
swallow, and she swallows 1½ to 2 liters of saliva a day.

Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state or coma. She is a
living, thinking person who makes choices and decisions. This is
terrible. They are trying to kill her. While Dr. Hammesfahr was
examining her, he observed Terri chose to ignore her husband Michael
and the person taking the video.

When Terri heard her mother's voice, she smiled and tracked her.
Terri moved her arms and legs as Dr. Hammesfahr requested her to.

[Lisa's note: Dr. Hammesfahr mentioned that during his ten hour
examination, Terri responded well to verbal requests to move, and
even moved to the point where it caused her pain in order to comply
with a request. He indicated that such movements are definitely not
reflexive.]

(Videotapes show Terri reacting to people. These are at
terrisfight.org. Scroll down to Videos of Terri.) A persistent
vegetative state, by definition, allows no awareness of the world or
ability to interact with the world.

[Lisa's note: Judge Greer LIED and "found" Terri in a "persistent
vegetative state" in clear violation of the Florida statue, which
defines the term, "persistent vegetative state":

"Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible
condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a)  The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any
kind.

(b)  An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the
environment.

[Real Player is needed to view the videos.]

(The video entitled, "Asked to open her eyes" allows you to see and
hear the examination. When she opened her eyes on command, the doctor
said, There you go, good. Good! (Laughing) Good job! Good job, young
lady, good job!)

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]


Terri did not have a heart attack. There were no cardiac enzymes in
her blood, and no abnormalities in her EKG.

Terri was admitted into the emergency room with a very, very stiff
neck consistent with brand new injury to her neck.

[Lisa's note: Testimony given at a 2002 evidentiary hearing revealed
that Terri was presented at the emergency room with
an "extraordinarily rigid neck" described by one physician
as "consistent with attempted strangulation." See: Court to hear
petition to remove husband as guardian]

Dr. Hammesfahr had seen the combination of injuries Terri suffered
(spinal cord injury, brain injury, and neck injury) one other time.
That was in an attempted strangulation case.

A police report was sent to homicide. There was no follow-up; no
investigation by police. Dr. Hammesfahr said Terri's situation is
unique. He consistently sees wrong things happen to Terri. There is
no law enforcement follow-up now for fear of stepping on toes.

[Lisa's note: There is no law enforcement because the police fear the
people "in high places" who are trying to pull off this very
obviously ILLEGAL murder plot. Everyone closely involved with this
case knows that the plan to kill Terri is a government operation, and
they are either actively helping them with this agenda or passively
helping them by refusing to stand in their way.]

Terri's bone scan revealed Terri was a victim of multiple traumas -
doctors were mandated to report it. There was no history of trauma
prior to her marrying Michael. The fractures had to happen after
marrying him. First lumbar vertebra fracture is common when thrown
against a table.

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery! Of course this is illegal too, but he trusts
the governmental euthanasia planners to see to it that he suffers no
repercussions for habitually breaking laws in order to harm Terri.]

Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions
fail someone in so many ways.

[Lisa's note: When an extremely important facet of The Plan is in
process, everyone falls into step...or else. Some, however, fear God
more than certain governmental officials with satanic agendas.]

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Judge Greer would not allow an eye examination, even though she is
legally blind. She can only see objects 12 to 18 inches away.

[Lisa's note: Terri would be more responsive with eyeglasses. Of
course such increased responsiveness would conflict with the
judge's "finding" that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state, so
Terri is not permitted any help with her visual difficulties.]

She is isolated even though her condition demands sensory input.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's insistence upon Terri being
(illegally) kept in isolation is all for the purpose of making her
appear as "vegetative" as they possibly can. Even with such
outrageous abuse, Terri is still much too responsive for the
euthanasia planners' comfort level.]

Terri's medical records, which are legal documents, were falsified.
Detailed records of Terri's responsiveness were thrown away. Nurses
who were not even on duty wrote fraudulent reports as though they had
been caring for Terri.

[Lisa's note: Truth is an enemy when a "persistent vegetative state"
agenda is being imposed on a person who is not in such a state.]

Why is it that Terri has to prove herself worthy of living? This is
against the law in Florida. She is not in a persistent vegetative
state. She is not terminal, even though she has been (illegally) in a
hospice.

[Lisa's note: It is all about conditioning for the global government
which is being instituted in stages in the United States. Worthy
people (people who further the globalist agenda) live, the unworthy
(people who do not further the globalist agenda) are deemed worthy of
death. People are being conditioned to think of life and death in
these terms.]


(If the judge were to order a swallowing test, strict care would be
needed to ensure Terri were not sedated to the point she could not
swallow. )

[Lisa's note: Excellent point. Terri could be sedated at times it
is "crucial" for her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, such as
during examinations. Perhaps she is sedated on the whim of the people
managing her care. (This could be the main reason Michael will not
permit Terri's parents to see her medical records!) If Terri is
sedated, it is easier for them continue to perpetrate
their "persistent vegetative state" ruse. I think it is amazing that
even with all these ploys against her, Terri's natural beauty still
shines through.]

(This is not about letting her die because she is not dying. This is
about deliberately killing her: Murder.)

[Lisa's note: This is about seeking to murder Terri Schiavo, but it
is more. It is a crucial test to see how much euthanasia conditioning
the American people have already succumbed to. The euthanasia
planners have broken laws, manipulated Terri's care and records to
cause her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, and aided and
abetted Michael in committing felonies, in order to try to have a
targeted individual killed. What are you going to do about it?]


Dr. Hammesfahrs contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/
E-mail address hnihelp@...
Phone number 1-800-673-6400


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Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

Startling details about Terri Schindler Schiavo Revealed!

Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance Newsletter January 8, 2004

Notes on Wednesday nights' interview (1/7/04) with neurologist,
William Hammesfahr, MD.

WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, MD was interviewed Wednesday night on
Highway2health.net by Ron Panzer, President of Hospice Patients
Alliance. Dr. Hammesfahr is board certified in neurology and pain
management. He has spent many hours directly with Terri Schiavo and
reviewed the medical records directly. Dr. Hammesfahr unequivocally
stated that Terri is absolutely NOT in a persistent vegetative state
and definitely responds to instructions from those around her, that
she makes choices and shows decision-making ability in how she
responds.

Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the medical record was in a state of
shambles when it was given, that it was out of order by date and that
much of the medical record was never given to the Schindlers or Dr.
Hammesfahr! NEVER! Dr. Hammesfahr stated that there are notes in the
medical record by nurses who were NOT working at the time they stated
they were caring for Terri. Also, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that parts of
the medical record were completely missing! Dr. Hammesfahr explained
that Terri's blood sugar level upon admission to the hospital was
about 400 (373). When asked why it would be that high, since Terri
was NOT and is not a diabetic, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
emergency medical technicians who arrived by ambulance probably gave
Terri D-5-W, a dextrose in water solution. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed
that EMTs would check a patient's blood glucose level as part of
their routine, when assessing a patient like Terri who had collapsed.
The only reason they would give D-5-W would likely be that they
discovered upon testing Terri, that her blood sugar was LOW at the
time of the collapse. Since Terri was not HYPO-glycemic and was not
diabetic, a POSSIBLE explanation for Terri having LOW blood sugar at
the time of her collapse is that she may have been injected with
insulin.

Noted, of course, was the sworn AFFIDAVIT/testimony of a nurse who
cared for Terri later on in the early 1990s, that Terri was found
shaking, pale and agitated after a visit by Michael Schiavo. In that
nurse's affidavit, the nurse stated that she found a vial of insulin
in Terri's PRIVATE room. Since Terri did not have diabetes, there
would be no reason for a vial of insulin to be in the garbage can in
her room at the nursing home. Dr. Hammesfahr and I agreed that we had
never seen any nurse or physician bring a vial of insulin into a
patient's room when administering insulin. The standard of practice
is to prepare a medication beforehand at the nurse's station, note
what medication is given in the medication administration record, and
then bring the syringe with the insulin in it to the patient, but NOT
the vial.

That a vial of insulin was found in Terri's room is not normal
practice even if Terri were getting insulin, but she was NOT and
never was on insulin! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that, although Michael
Schiavo admits to "shaking Terri up" Terri's injuries and condition
are not explainable due to anyone shaking her head ... that her
clinical condition would have been different if that was the sole
cause of her brain injury. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the type of
injury and clinical condition Terri had at the time of her collapse
could be explained by a possible strangulation attempt and/or an
insulin injection combined with some form of attack or trauma.

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that no police investigation was done to
look into Terri's condition, even after a bone scan (13 months after
her collapse) revealed multiple TRAUMA and broken bones. Dr.
Hammesfahr stated that the broken bones could NOT be explained by any
form of bone disease, that these were ABSOLUTELY broken bones and
that it must have been done through trauma, injury to her. Dr.
Hammesfahr said that other physicians had also come to the same
conclusion. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Michael Schiavo kept these
bone scans and other medical records secret for over a DECADE. [They
were only released in 2002!]

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of
the heart but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her. He stated that Terri
had marked injury to her neck which still exists today, and that he
has only seen a similar injury, with spinal cord involvement as well
as brain injury, in one case where a patient had been strangled. He
stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her spine, which he stated is
common among persons being thrown against a table, for example. Dr.
Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in the
very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE
Michael got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that
after Michael got the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that in the early years, Terri had had a very
small device surgically implanted into her brain to provide
therapeutic very low dosages of electrical stimulation to the brain,
which could help Terri, and which DID help Terri when it was first
started. However, after Michael got the money, Michael did not allow
further attempts to help Terri in this way. In addition, Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that the device (or any device) implanted, would
normally be carefully monitored so that no infection would occur and
no harm come to the patient. However, in Terri's case that was not
done and has not been done.

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri was also tested with balloons
to see if she would follow the balloon with her eyes and head when
instructed to do so. Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri did follow
the balloons when instructed, and that she did so, even though
turning her head far enough to the side caused her pain. He pointed
out that reflex actions are usually to avoid pain, but in Terri's
case she turned her head into painful positions in order to follow
the instructions of the physician testing her. Dr. Hammesfahr
confirmed that several experts in neurology agree that Terri could
improve, can improve and that everything that should be done for her
is NOT being done. In fact, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
isolation and deliberate removal of all stimulation from Terri is
harming Terri, depriving her of the input and stimulation which would
help her reach a higher cognitive level and ability. He stated that
Terri should be getting much exposure to sights, sounds and other
forms of rehabilitation.

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that Dr. Ronald Cranford (who testified for
Michael Schiavo and George Felos' side - the right to die agenda) ...
that Dr. Cranford was NOT a neurologist and was not an expert in the
field. Also, that Dr. Cranford spent less than ONE hour with Terri
totally! Yet the court relied on Dr. Cranford's testimony, rather
than several other neurologists, including Dr. Hammesfahr. [The court
was not gathering information in order to rule based on fact, it was
simply following an agenda.]

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that as a physician and a person, he is
outraged at the mistreatment Terri is receiving and that the denial
of rehabilitation for Terri violates the standards of medical
practice! He can be contacted at: William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. 600
Druid Road East Clearwater, Florida 34616 Tel: 727.461.4464 [end of
notes on the interview - Ron Panzer]


http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

http://libertytothecaptives.net

Extensive info. and evidence here about Terri
from a fellow Terri supporter!

Husband protests video showing alert Terri
Schindler in desperate move to save daughter facing deadline today
Posted: October 15, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35085

VIDEO OF TERRI FROM TV NEWS! CLICK LINK BELOW TO WATCH!

http://webpages.charter.net/honeygrl/terri_schindler.asf
Watch as Terri raises herself up off her bed!  Terri is NOT PVS!


More evidence enclosed to prove Terri didn't have a heart attack or
cardiac arrest!  A potassium imbalance is not what caused Terri to be
found on the floor, clutching her neck, either, as potassium causes
heart attacks, which Terri NEVER  had!  Terri was strangled and
severely beaten which is proven by evidence in these posts
with "EVIDENCE" in the title!

Terri never had bulimia, either!

These are all Michael Schiavo's LIES TO DISTRACT AND CONFUSE THE
WORLD, which the CONTROLLED MEDIA WILLINGLY REPEAT, OVER AND OVER!

Michael almost killed her on February 25, 1990 and many times since!

This is why he DESPERATELY wants her DEAD - to SILENCE HER FOREVER,
WHILE HE WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH THE NWO to set ILLEGAL PRECEDENTS
to MURDER TERRI AND COUNTLESS OTHERS!


http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
See "What's New at Liberty to the Captives" in center and below there
and also see "must see" articles!

and see

http://vetzine.blogspot.com

Listen to Butch Chancellor and I discuss this extensive evidence on
Butch's radio program "These Orwellian Times" which airs
Monday, October 11, 2004 11 AM - Noon Eastern on
http://www.crusaderadio.com

More info. on the broadcast and Terri can be found on Butch's
website:
http://vetzine.blogspot.com


Melissa Roxanne Stanley


NOW ON TO THE EVIDENCE!


http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

Bone scan which was done on Terri 53 weeks after Michael strangled,
severely beat her about her head and entire body, and probably
injected Terri with insulin shows Terri was a victim of TRAUMA and
her some of her injuries pointed to PREVIOUS TRAUMA, per the Doctor's
notes on the bone scan.

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg
Note the words "CLOSED HEAD INJURY" on the top portion of the fill-in-
form portion of the bone scan - look at bottom left for these three
words in capital letters!

Terri has a condition called Hydrocephalus due to the head trauma
Michael caused her to have!  This is where excess cerebrospinal fluid
builds up in the brain.  Terri DESPERATELY needs treatment for her
Hydrocephalus, and I am trying to get publicity about this to the
public, as she is entitled by law to a new trial based on this newly
found evidence!

http://hydroassoc.org/ Click here for more info. here about
Hydrocephalus and its treatment

(Note from Melissa:  Hydrocephalus is a very treatable condition -
a tube (shunt) is placed in the brain to drain the excess
cerebrospinal fluid into the abdomen, which takes about 45 minutes!)


Terri Has Hydrocephalus, Probably Due to Head Trauma

The following quotes are excerpts from the article,

Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

Much more evidence here which is a MUST READ!

See:

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery!]

Margaret Juneman's notes:

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Ron Panzer's notes:

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was.

He explained that physician assessments of Terri made when she was
sedated would necessarily NOT be accurate, that they would
UNDER-estimate her level of cognition and abilities.

Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from some
hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is Neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit.

Muscular movement during an EEG produces readings on the EEG which
must be filtered out. Dr. Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering
out" the EEG activity Terri had due to the muscular movements, those
filtering that brain activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain
activity.

In other words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not
properly done and several doctors have agreed with that.

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html



(Proof Terri is not in a Persistent Vegetative State, which the
corrupt Judge Greer illegally ruled she is, based on a phoney,
made-up definition!  Greer DID NOT use the LEGAL FLORIDA STATUTE
DEFINITION OF PVS!

Pics from video of Terri at the link right below PROVE she is not in
a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS)!

The controlled media lies as their masters ORDER THEM TO about Terri
and this entire case (and all the other "news" they propagandize/spin
for the NWO AGENDA!

This whole thing is a HUGE NWO operation!
Melissa)


(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]

(The NWO PLAN!  Melissa)

Terri Schiavo: Cognitively Able!

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_cognitively_able.html

Terri Schindler-Schiavo has Hydrocephalus from HEAD TRAUMA caused by
Terri's husband severely beating her on February 25, 1990!
Hydrocephalus is also caused by Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo's
failure to get medical followup for Terri after electrodes were
implanted in her brain (illegal experimental surgery which Michael
Schiavo never got prior court permission for as legally required
to.)

This conditionis when excess cerebrospinal fluid builds up in the
brain.

Hydrocephalus can be life threatening if not treated and Terri has
most likely had it since February 25, 1990 when Michael strangled
Terri, brutally beat her, and probably injected her with insulin (per
evidence).

Hydrocephalus is very treatable with a 45 minute operation to put a
shunt in to drain the excess cerebrospinal fluid from the brain.
Terri needs this treatment, and if I can get enough publicity that
she has this disorder, it would help tremendously, as she is entitled
to a new trial based on this alone!

For more info. see:

FOR MORE INFORMATION:
The Hydrocephalus Association
Provides support and education on the complex issues
of hydrocephalus including NPH, Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus.
Phone: 888-598-3789
http://hydroassoc.org/


All About NPH
Learn more about Normal pressure hydrocephalus.
Phone: 888-LIFE-NPH
http://www.allaboutnph.com/


Chicago Institute Of Neurosurgery and Neuroresearch
For diagnosis and treatment of patients with NPH, Normal Pressure
Hydrocephalus.
Also offers treatment and rehabilitation of patients
with nervous system conditions.
Phone: 800-446-1234
http://cinn.org/


Barrow Neurological Institute
For diagnosis and treatment of patients with NPH,
Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus.

Also offers care for people with brain and
spine diseases, disorders and injuries.
http://www.thebni.com/home.asp




Under Florida Civil Rules of Procedure, a probate case or any other
court judgment can be reopened upon a showing of new evidence or
circumstances that the judgment is no longer valid.  (The corrupt
Judge ruled that there is no treatment for Terri short of a miracle
and the 2nd District Court of Appeal backed him up!  This is a
complete and total lie and I have extensive evidence to prove it!)


I will be talking about this and much more the public never hears
about (due to the press lies about Terri as the NWO mandates) for
show # 3 in a 3 part series on Terri on Butch Chancellor's radio
program"These Orwellian Times".  This show airs Monday, October 11th
from 11 PM - Noon Eastern on http://www.crusaderadio.com


For more info. click on links:
http://www.vetzine.blogspot.com (Butch's blog)

and

http://libertytothecaptives.net/melissa_on_these_orwellian_times.html

Show info. and technical info. if you have problems hearing the radio
broadcast.



http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages
(My website)

Much more info. about Terri here including about hydrocephalus:

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html
Once you get to ^ above link ^ and read THAT, click on link at TOP OF
THAT ARTICLE to read
"Interview with Dr. Hammesfahr : Startling Revelations"!
^                  ^                 ^        ^
BOMBSHELL INFO. ABOUT TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE NEVER HEARD!

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html


Or scroll down my post at link below and look for
"Interview with Dr. Hammesfahr : Startling Revelations"!
BOMBSHELL INFO. ABOUT TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE NEVER HEARD!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/20



More info. about Terri and Hydrocephalus including its treatment,
here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/27

Hydrocephalus Info & Brain Injury Info:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/28

(Bone scan was done on Terri 53 weeks - 1 year - after her husband,
Michael Schiavo almost murdered her)
http://www.terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

showed Terri was a victim of TRAUMA,

and showed she had a CLOSED HEAD INJURY,

(see top of bone scan on the fill-in-form portion
- look at bottom left),

NUMEROUS broken bones, and that some of these injuries also pointed
to PREVIOUS TRAUMA, meaning her husband was abusing Terri before
February 25, 1990, the date he strangled, beat, and probably injected
Terri with insulin, (per evidence).




(Pictures from CBS' 60 Minutes TV segment on 10/6/04
and Alzheimer's / Brain Disorder info. are at link below)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/04/60II/main647205.shtml


Saved From Senility

Oct. 6, 2004



(CBS) For many people, it's the worst possible news. They're
diagnosed with Alzheimer's or Parkinson's, and they're told to put
their affairs in order and prepare for years of suffering, and
eventually, death.

Millions of Americans have to live with that diagnosis -- and all the
heartache that goes with it. But what if the diagnosis is wrong? What
if they're suffering from something that's treatable? Correspondent
Vicki Mabrey reports. "I was totally convinced I was dying. I was
totally convinced I'd be gone in a month or a so," says Bob Fowler,
who wrote his own obituary five years ago, at the age of 69.

"It was hard to write it. I was totally convinced because I'd been to
doctor after doctor after doctor with absolutely no positive results.
No diagnosis of what was wrong with me at all. It was a very
traumatic time for us."

For nearly a decade, Fowler had struggled with debilitating symptoms –
  trouble with balance, memory, and incontinence. Doctors suspected
Parkinson's or Alzheimer's, but weren't sure. His condition worsened
so terribly that he ended up in a wheelchair and had to stop working.
Eventually, his wife Bonita began making plans to put him in a
nursing home.

Fowler says he also developed a severe case of dementia: "One
morning, I wandered out to the sidewalk to get our morning paper. And
Bonita was at the door and she yelled at me. She said, 'Why don't you
have anything on?' I said, 'Well, I've got a towel.' I had a towel
around my neck and nothing else on. Now, I've always been a shy, kind
of private person. And yet, it just didn't seem to matter."

He says he's probably been to 15 doctors over the past nine years.
And in all of those years, none of his doctors suggested he have an
MRI or CT scan, and he never got a definitive diagnosis of what was
wrong with him.

In Phoenix, retired dentist Milt Newman suffered for 15 years from
the same symptoms as Fowler. In Newman's case, a CT scan was
performed, yet none of his doctors could pinpoint what was causing
his decline.

"My concentration was nil. There wasn't any. Reading a book was
difficult because I couldn't remember what happened 10 pages back,"
says Newman. "And later on, conversation was difficult because I'd
forget what people would say."

He says it started when he was 55. His wife, Phyllis, says she
remembers watching her once vibrant husband simply slip away: "It was
like his brain was sinking into his body. That's the only way I could
say."

Eventually, he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. "I was floored by that
because to me that was a death sentence," says Newman. "I said to
myself,'Well, let me get prepared.'"

What Newman wasn't prepared for, however, was the news that it was
all a mistake – and that there was hope.

Last year, after 15 years of suffering, Newman met Dr. Harold Rekate,
a neurosurgeon at the Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix. He
realized that what Newman had wasn't Alzheimer's but a condition
called normal pressure hydrocephalus or NPH. NPH is caused by excess
fluid putting pressure on the brain.

"There's 10 times too much fluid in here than there is in a normal
person," says Rekate. "It's pushing the brain outward and stretching
the nerve fibers so they can't function properly."

The result can be the very symptoms that plagued both Newman and
Fowler – problems with gait, or walking, with thinking and bladder
control.

To Dr. Rekate, those symptoms – especially a shuffling walk – are a
giveaway. But doctors rarely realize that the cause might be NPH and
a surprising number of cases go undiagnosed, and untreated.

Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia afflict more than 7 million
people in the United States, but medical professionals estimate that
between 5 and 10 percent of them -- at least 375,000 people -- might
actually have NPH. And most physicians are missing it. Why?

"It's hard to make the diagnosis. You have to sit down and you have
to listen and you have to examine the patient. And you have to do it
in a thorough way. And then you have to order an expensive test,"
says Rekate. "An MRI scan will cost somewhere around $2,000-3,000.
It's not that the insurance carriers want you to do that."

So what do those who are misdiagnosed need to do? "You don't have to
go gently into that good night," says Rekate. "You need to fight. And
we need to give you the tools to fight."

The first tool is knowledge, because once the condition is
discovered, the treatment is a 45-minute procedure in which
neurosurgeons surgically insert a tube called a shunt into the brain.
That tube drains the excess fluid from the brain and moves it to the
belly where it can be absorbed.

The shunt may need to be adjusted because removing too much or too
little fluid can be dangerous. That adjustment used to require
further surgery, but now it is done painlessly with a magnet in the
doctor's office.

After the surgery, Newman said he "felt like the old Milton."

Fowler said he had a similar transformation in 1999, when he was
finally told that he had NPH: "I never anticipated feeling that good
again in my life. And all of a sudden I felt fantastic. I'm 74 years
old now and I'm doing things that I would have dreamed of doing any
time during my 60s."

Today, five years after his surgery, Fowler is back at work and back
at play. But he's also a man with a mission to spread the word about
NPH.

He's starred in a public-service announcement, re-enacting what his
symptoms were like then, and showing how he is now. The ad was
produced by one of the shunt manufacturers.

"We've had hundreds of calls from patients who saw those commercials
and said, 'That sounds like me. It sounds like my mother, my father,
someone that I know,'" says Dr. Gail Rosseau, a neurosurgeon at the
Chicago Institute Of Neurosurgery and Neuroresearch.

Rosseau is working to raise awareness in both doctors and patients
about the three classic signs of the condition.

"Patients and their families should know that if someone is aging and
their gait is worsening, their mental thought processes are becoming
less clear, and they have urinary incontinence, they need a scan,"
says Rosseau. "They need to insist on a scan and they need to see a
specialist who knows about normal-pressure hydrocephalus."

But even that, she says, might not lead to a dramatic recovery.

"We can improve the symptoms of normal-pressure hydrocephalus, but we
can't make you look younger," says Rosseau. "We can't slow down the
other things that make you feel old that have happened during that
same period: arthritis, perhaps heart disease, the other medical
problems that we all seem to accumulate as we get older. This only
helps one of them, but when we're right about it, it can help a lot."

No one understands that more than Fowler, who says he feels like he's
been given a second chance, and he wants to share it with others.

"I can spot 'em quickly. I've even walked up to people and had the
audacity to walk up to a person and say, 'Have you had an MRI or a CT
scan in the last few years?' And they say, 'No why, what business is
it of yours,'" says Fowler.

"And I say, 'Because I know your gait and I know your walk. I want
you to go from here and have a CT scan or an MRI. Do yourself a
favor.'"


FOR MORE INFORMATION:
The Hydrocephalus Association
Provides support and education on the complex issues
of hydrocephalus including NPH, Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus.
Phone: 888-598-3789
http://hydroassoc.org/


All About NPH
Learn more about Normal pressure hydrocephalus.
Phone: 888-LIFE-NPH
http://www.allaboutnph.com/


Chicago Institute Of Neurosurgery and Neuroresearch
For diagnosis and treatment of patients with NPH.
Also offers treatment and rehabilitation of patients
with nervous system conditions.
Phone: 800-446-1234
http://cinn.org/


Barrow Neurological Institute
For diagnosis and treatment of patients with NPH.
Also offers care for people with brain and
spine diseases, disorders and injuries.
http://www.thebni.com/home.asp


Losing Memories


Facts about Alzheimer's, help for caregivers
and a look at sufferers who've put the disease in the spotlight.

(Click on link below for more info.  Look on right side of screen.)
Read whole article regarding Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus (NPH),
which is what Terri Schindler-Schiavo has, by clicking link below.)


http://cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/04/60II/main647205.shtml



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http://www.libertytothecaptives.net

Site owned by a fellow Terri supporter and researcher which has
detailed and extensive evidence which refutes the LIES by the MEDIA,
MICHAEL, FELOS, CORRUPT JUDGES, AND MANY MORE PEOPLE CONTROLLED BY
THE NWO!



Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

Short excerpts from Interview with Neurologist Dr. Hammesfahr.
This is about Terri's brain, hydrocephalus, and EEG,
which was done wrong and erased her brainwaves!



Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_rev
elations.html

Longer than above article.  Detailed Info. must people don't know
about Terri.



Complete Report of Dr. William Hammesfahr
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

Extensive Report of Neurologist's 10 Hour Exam on Terri with detailed
notes which no other doctor ever took the time to do or write!  He
states Terri is responsive, not PVS, and can get better with
treatment!  He states Terri can swallow and is swallowing everyday
(her saliva). Read all the BOLD portions to see much important info.
he stated in this report!  Other doctors who testified on Terri's
husband's behalf saw Terri for 10 minutes and ordered zero tests!



Terri Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest Lies

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net

Look at What's New at Liberty to the Captives in middle of page, then
look a bit further down for:  "must see" and you will find the
article above titled "Terri Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest Lies"
which proves Terri never had a heart attack or cardiac arrest!


Terri Schiavo: Cognitively Able

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_cognitively_able.html
MUST SEE LINK ABOVE!!!

See Terri follow a doctor's commands to open her eyes!
She does so. OPENING HER EYES EXTRA WIDE TO PROVE SHE IS AWARE OF
WHAT HE IS ASKING HER TO DO DURING HIS EXAM!

Pictures from video of Terri PROVE she is NOT in
a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS), which the corrupt
Judge Greer ruled she IS in, using a FAKE, MADE-UP definition which
was/is NOT the Florida statute definition!  This is totally illegal!

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]

(The NWO PLAN!  Melissa)

Terri Schiavo: Cognitively Able
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_cognitively_able.html
MUST SEE LINK ABOVE!!!



The controlled media lies as their masters tell them to

about Terri and this entire case.

This whole thing is a huge NWO operation!


Melissa Roxanne Stanley (saveterrislife)

EXTENSIVE EVIDENCE
LISTED IN THIS POST!
PLEASE READ!

Evidence will be listed here
from today's
radio program
so you can read along or
read this anytime you'd like.

***(Scroll down to see
info. and links to
the evidence which
is listed in this post
directly AFTER
info. about the Radio Program
Series on Terri Schindler-Schiavo.)***


For evidence I presented
in Part 1
on "These Orwellian Times"
on Monday, Oct. 4, 2003,
Please click here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/32

which is titled
"RADIO SHOW ABOUT TERRI TODAY 11 AM TO NOON EDT - PART 1 OF 3"


I will be a guest on
Butch Chancellor's Radio Program
"These Orwellian Times"
presenting a 3 Part Series
on Terri Schindler-Schiavo.
Tune in to listen to:

Part 1 - Monday, Oct. 4, 2004

Part 2 - Thursday, Oct. 7, 2004

Part 3 - Monday, Oct. 11, 2004


For More Info. go to
Butch Chancellor's website:

http://www.vetzine.blogspot.com

Lots of Info. About Terri here
including info. from me
(read whole page at above website)
with evidence and info. you can
send to Governor Bush and others!

Also see:
http://vetzine.blogspot.com/2004_10_03_vetzine_archive.html

http://vetzine.blogspot.com/2004_09_26_vetzine_archive.html

http://vetzine.blogspot.com/2004_09_19_vetzine_archive.html


On Air

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Thursday, October 7, 2004

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Online Researcher
e-mail:
saveterrislife@...
Website: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages


Topic: Research Results - Part Two
in a Three Part Series on Terri Schindler

Stanley will continue to present detailed evidence in this blatantly
corrupt case which most people have never heard. She will also dispell
the prolific lies which have been intentionally fed to the public in
order to further this murderous plot to finish off Terri and move on
to the rest of those deemed expendable. We must do what is right to
save Terri and all the others who will certainly follow if we do
nothing. In this corrupt and evil world, any one of us could be
chosen next . Don't think the Holocaust could never happen again. It
all began with the killing of one disabled baby boy. Those who fail
to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Please stand up now
before it's too late for all of us. Hear the truth and demand justice
for Terri and all humanity. Listen to "These Orwellian Times" before
it's too late. -- Melissa Roxanne Stanley
http://vetzine.blogspot.com/2004_10_03_vetzine_archive.html

10am Central Time
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in which hardly anybody is secure,
in which it is almost impossible to be honest
and to remain alive -- George Orwell



If you are having trouble hearing the
radio program, click on these links:

http://libertytothecaptives.net/melissa_on_these_orwellian_times.html
(especially if you have AOL and no other brower!
Go to link above to download another browser besides AOL,
which censors this radio program, per what I have been told.)

http://crusaderadio.com/howtolisten.htm

http://www.crusaderadio.com/listenlive.htm

You may need to download RealAudio or WinAmp to listen.
Click on the links below to download for free.
http://www.real.com/
http://www.winamp.com/player/free.php

http://crusaderadio.com/


To easily see all of my posts with
evidence and information on Terri
and this case, click on:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages

For Most Recent Messages, click here:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/
Then you may click on "View All Messages" to see
a list of every post I have made on this site.

Proof Jeb Bush Can And Should Free Terri Schindler-Schiavo
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/30

PLEASE USE THE ABOVE INFORMATION TO SEND TO BUSH AND OTHERS!
PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE & POST EVERYWHERE
IN ORDER TO SAVE TERRI'S LIFE!


Melissa Roxanne Stanley
FLORIDA CITIZEN
ONLINE RESEARCHER AND VOCAL TERRI SUPPORTER
e-mail: saveterrislife@y...
Website http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages


Make sure Jeb Bush knows WE KNOW
he can stop this attempted murder
of an innocent, disabled woman!


Florida Governor Jeb Bush
phone: 850-488-7146
email: jeb.bush@m... or jeb@j...
fax: 850-487-0801 or 850-922-4292
Press Secretary - phone: 850-488-5394
Assistant Donovan Brown - phone: 850-410-0501



PLEASE CALL, FAX, & E-MAIL FL GOVERNOR JEB BUSH
RE: SAVING TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO NOW!



STOP THE MURDER OF AN INNOCENT HUMAN BEING!

The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Case:
Right to Die or Right to Kill?
THIS IS NOT A RIGHT TO DIE CASE AS
TERRI'S HUSBAND, MICHAEL SCHIAVO,
HIS ATTORNEYS INCLUDING HIS MAIN ATTORNEY, GEORGE FELOS,
AND THE OTHER DEATH CULTS AND PRO-DEATH EUTHANASIA FANATIC
GROUPS WILL LIE TO YOU AND THE WORLD EVERY CHANCE THEY GET
TELLING YOU IT IS A "RIGHT TO DIE" CASE AND THAT THESE
ARE "TERRIES WISHES" TO DIE!

THAT IS TOTALLY A DOWNRIGHT LIE!  IF YOU BELIEVE THEM,
YOU ARE BELIEVING THE LIES OF PEOPLE WITH A HUGE AGENDA
TO KILL OTHER HUMAN BEINGS!  YOU ARE ALSO PUTTING YOUR TRUST INTO
PEOPLE WHO HAVE REPEATEDLY ATTEMPTED TO KILL TERRI,
TIME AND AGAIN (BY REMOVING HER FEEDING TUBE AND DEHYDRATING AND
STARVING HER TO DEATH, INCLUDING ILLEGALLY REFUSING TO GIVE TERRI
FOOD AND WATER BY MOUTH (ORALLY), WHICH IS HIGHLY ILLEGAL!

DEATH BY DEHYDRATION AND STARVATION IS ABSOLUTE TORTURE -
PURE AND SIMPLE!

SEE PICTURES OF A PERSON IN CLEARWATER, FLORIDA, WHO WAS DEHYDRATED
TO DEATH IN 17 DAYS (SHE LOST ABOUT 40 POUNDS IN 17 DAYS!)
Autopsy Photos of Lisa McPherson
NOTE! These are photos of a dead
bruised body. You have been warned.

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/lisapics.htm

http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/autopsy/agree.html
MORE PICS AT SECOND LINK WHICH IS JUST ABOVE ^

WHY AM I POSTING LINKS TO THESE GRAPHIC PICTURES?

BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT A PERSON LOOKS LIKE AFTER THEY HAVE
BEEN KILLED BY DEHYDRATION, WHICH IS COMPLETE TORTURE!

IT IS ILLEGAL TO KILL AN ANIMAL IN THIS MANNER!  YOU CAN GO TO JAIL
FOR DOING SO!

IT IS ILLEGAL TO KILL A CONVICTED MURDERER BY DEHYDRATION!  YET, AN
INNOCENT, VULNERABLE, DISABLED HUMAN BEING, TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO
IS BEING DEHYDRATED REPEATEDLY!

TWICE ALREADY THEY HAVE ILLEGALLY DONE THIS TO TERRI!

THE FIRST TIME WAS IN APRIL, 2001 FOR 60 HOURS OR 2 AND ONE HALF DAYS!

THE SECOND TIME WAS IN OCTOBER, 2003
FROM OCTOBER 15, 2003 - OCTOBER 22, 2003 WHEN TERRI FINALLY RECEIVED
*WATER ONLY*  BY MY CALCULATIONS, FROM ALL OF THE INFO. I HAVE
GATHERED, TERRI WENT AT THE VERY LEAST 175 AND ONE HALF HOURS WITH
ZERO FOOD OR WATER AND ONLY RECEIVED WATER AFTER 175 AND ONE HALF
HOURS!  THIS MEANS TERRI WENT WITHOUT WATER AND WITHOUT FOOD OF ANY
KIND WHATSOEVER FOR AT LEAST 7.02 DAYS!  DIVIDE 175.5 BY 24 HOURS (IN
A DAY) AND YOU WILL SEE HOW I ARRIVED AT 7.02 DAYS!  OVER 7 DAYS WITH
ZERO WATER OR FOOD!  CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THIS WAS LIKE FOR TERRI?
WHAT ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR LISA MCPHERSON WHO WENT FOR 17 DAYS
UNTIL SHE WAS FINALLY MURDERED?  FOR MORE INFO. ABOUT LISA MCPHERSON,
A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN WHO WAS MURDERED IN CLEARWATER, FLORIDA IN 1995,
PLEASE SEE THESE LINKS:

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/index.htm

TO SEE AN EXPERT BOARD CERTIFIED FORENSIC AND CLINICAL PATHOLOGIST'S
(HE IS ALSO AN M.D.) AFFIDAVIT, CLICK HERE:
http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/legal/Aff_Bandt_010423.html



WITH ZERO FOOD OR WATER AFTER REMOVAL OF HER FEEDING TUBE - NO FOOD
OR WATER WAS GIVEN TO TERRI BY MOUTH (ORALLY) WHICH IS AGAINST THE
LAW!  YET, THE AUTHORITIES KNEW THIS AND DID NOT STOP IT!  SO EVEN
THOUGH IT IS ILLEGAL AND ACTUALLY MURDER, THEY ALLOWED TERRI'S SO
CALLED HUSBAND AND OTHERS TO WITHHOLD ORAL FOOD AND WATER FROM TERRI
IN ORDER TO MURDER HER!  NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN PUNISHED FOR THIS OR
MANY OTHER CRIMES!  NOT ONE PERSON  HAS BEEN PUNISHED FOR ANYTHING!
EVER!  THESE CRIMES AGAINST TERRI HAVE BEEN GOING ON SINCE FEBRUARY
25, 1990!


(CLEARWATER, FLORIDA IS THE SAME CITY WHERE TERRI IS BEING HELD
HOSTAGE BY HER HUSBAND, MICHAEL SCHIAVO, RIGHT NOW, AT "PARK PLACE"
WHERE SHE IS BEING "CARED FOR" BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO "CARED FOR" HER
AT HOSPICE WOODSIDE, PART OF HOSPICE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST, WHERE
THEY ATTEMPTED TO MURDER TERRI TWICE BY ILLEGALLY FOLLOWING MICHAEL
SCHIAVO'S ORDERS TO REFUSE TO GIVE TERRI ANY FOOD OR WATER (HIGHLY
ILLEGAL EVEN IF A JUDGE ORDERS REMOVAL OF A FEEDINT TUBE, WHICH JUDGE
GREER DID ORDER)LIVES RIGHT NOW)WHO DIED
FROM DEATH BY DEHYDRATION




NOW, FINALLY, ON TO THE EVIDENCE I WILL BE DISCUSSING
ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7, 2004 ON "THESE ORWELLIAN TIMES"
TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO SERIES - PART 2 OF 3:

For evidence I presented
in Part 1 on "These Orwellian Times"
on Monday, Oct. 4, 2003,
Please click here:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/32



THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7, 2004 "THESE ORWELLIAN TIMES"
TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO SERIES - PART 2 OF 3:
EVIDENCE INCLUDING

EVIDENCE OF STRANGULATION AND TRAUMA DONE TO TERRI
PLUS PROOF TERRI'S HUSBAND, MICHAEL SCHIAVO WANTS
TERRI DEAD. MAINLY TO SILENCE HER FOREVER DUE TO
HE DOESN'T WANT HER TO EVER TELL THE WORLD WHAT HE
HAS DONE TO HER AND WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE TO HER TO HELP
MICHAEL SCHIAVO ABUSE, EXPLOIT, NEGLECT, ATTEMPT TO MURDER HER,
AND TO COVER ALL OF THIS UP, WITH COOPERATION FROM MANY, MANY
PEOPLE! PLUS, MUCH MORE:

Bone scan done on Terri Schindler-Schiavo on March 5, 1991 (53 weeks
after her so called "collapse" when she was at home alone with only
her "husband", Michael Schiavo), as well as injuries Terri
sufferedindicate and injuries indicate that Terri was a victim of
severe trauma and strangulation!

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_abuse.htm

State-Funded Agency to Probe Claim of Spousal Abuse in Terri Schiavo
Case



Bone scan and injuries indicate severe trauma and strangulation
TAMPA BAY, October 27, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Florida State
Advocacy Center for Persons with Disabilities, has decided to launch
an investigation into the spousal abuse claims of the parents of
Terri Schiavo. The severely disabled Florida woman whose life was
spared by an executive order by Governor Jeb Bush to halt her court-
ordered starvation, has, according to experts, sustained injuries
consistent with abuse.

Michael Schiavo, Terri's estranged husband, who has been in a long-
fought court battle with Terri's parents to end her life, fuelled
suspicions of abuse when he sought and was granted a court order that
Terri's remains would be cremated immediately following her death.
Terri's parents, the Schindlers, were requesting an autopsy.

Other factors pointing to abuse include:

- Testimony of nurses who looked after Terri indicated that Michael
was verbally abusive to Terri and may have attempted to kill her by
insulin injection and attempts to induce pneumonia by turning the
thermostat in her room to 64 degrees.

- Michael Baden, one of the most acclaimed forensic experts in North
America, in an interview on Fox News National Television broadcast
Saturday said Terri's bone scan indicates that Terri's injuries are
not consistent with the suggested explanation of a heart attack or
potassium imbalance. He said they are consistent with severe trauma
possibly caused by a beating and would warrant an immediate
investigation.

- Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee and neurologist,
testified that Terri's neck injuries are consistent with only one
type of injury: that of strangulation.

Commenting on the case, Alex Schadenberg of the Euthanasia Prevention
Coalition said, "It would come as no surprise to me that she had been
abused previous to her disability, knowing that since1993 she has
received continuous abuse by being denied basic medical care,
visitation of loved ones, religious visits, and any form of
rehabilitation."

Schadenberg warned however that the practice of euthanasia by
withdrawal of nutrition and hydration from people who are not
otherwise dying is common both in the United States and Canada. He
pointed out that the argumentation around the case is not addressing
the central point that nutrition and hydration should not be
considered medical treatment. He noted that a 1990 U.S. Supreme Court
decision wrongly allowed nutrition and hydration to be considered
medical treatment.

In response to the six-day denial of food and fluids to Terri
Schindler-Schiavo, the National Right to Life Committee is calling on
state legislatures throughout the nation to move to protect people
with disabilities from being denied food and fluids. The organization
has issued a "Model Starvation and Dehydration of Persons with
Disabilities Prevention Act."

See the NRLC model legislation for States:
http://www.nrlc.org/euthanasia/modelstatelaw.html

See the Chicago Tribune coverage and the Fox interview:
http://www.terrisfight.org/chitrib.html
http://www.terrisfight.org/baden.html

Terri's supporters have also asked pro-lifers to encourage AARP to
intervene to save Terri's life and not against it: flaarp@...

See also
Media 'getting it wrong' on Terri Schiavo story
Press erroneously report she's 'comatose,' doctors also dispute
vegetative-state ruling

** People who are aware of the truth are calling in to radio and
television stations insisting that they correct the misinformation.
For example, Toronto News radio station 680 was reporting last week
that Shiavo was in a persistive vegetative state. LifeSite called to
say that that was not correct. The news room immediately acknowledged
the error and corrected it. This would not have happened had no one
called.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35270


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/oct/03102701.html

<Back To Terri Schiavo
Main Page http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri.htm

THE SAGA OF TERRI SCHIAVO

Note:  Link above has extensive information and MORE LINKS
about Terri and this corrupt case!



More links here:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri_story.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_michael.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_felos.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_greer.htm

Secret therapy given to Terri
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_live.htm
- Note:  This caption states court ordered Terri's death-Actually
Judge Greer ordered removal of Terri's feeding tube-He did not order
withholding of ORAL (BY MOUTH) fluids and food AFTER removal of said
feeding tube, due to this is ILLEGAL and amounts to murder-However,
Greer did NOT clarify that Terri COULD AND MUST be given ORAL fluids
and food after removal of the feeding tube, even though the
Schindlers asked him to do so in their Motion for Clarification
(See:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/2
for letters from 2 law firms including Gibbs Law Firm and read the
Motion for Clarification and Supplemental Request for Implementation
of Order which David C. Gibbs III of Gibbs Law Firm assisted the
Schindlers' attorneys in writing (before Terri's tube was removed for
the second time in October, 2003).  Note:  This Motion which among
other things asked for Judge Greer to clarify that Terri be given
fluid and food by mouth after her feeding tube was removed, was
DISMISSED BY JUDGE GREER WITHIN HOURS OF IT BEING FILED WITHOUT HIM
HEARING ANY ARGUMENTS REGARDING THIS MOTION!  ALTHOUGH GREER DID NOT
ACTUALLY ORDER THAT TERRI NOT BE GIVEN WATER AND FOOD BY MOUTH ONCE
HER FEEDING TUBE WAS REMOVED, AS THIS IS ILLEGAL AND CONSTITUTES
ASSISTING AND OR CAUSING ATTEMPTED MURDER, IT IS MY OPINION THAT
JUDGE GREER AND ALL OF THE AUTHORITIES AND PEOPLE WHO COOPERATED WITH
MICHAEL SCHIAVO AND HIS ATTORNEYS IN ALLOWING HIM AND THEM TO
WITHHOLD WATER AND FOOD FROM TERRI ONCE HER TUBE WAS REMOVED ON TWO
SEPARATE OCCASIONS AND WHO APPARANTLY INTEND TO DO SO AGAIN AT ANY
TIME AS SOON AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN, ARE PARTIES TO ATTEMPTED MURDER OF
AN INNOCENT, DISABLED, VULNERABLE ADULT NAMED TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
AND IF TERRI IS MURDERED DUE TO THIS, THEY WILL ALL BE GUILTY OF
MURDER!  THERE IS ALL KINDS OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT
NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO MICHAEL SCHIAVO TO PUNISH HIM OR INVESTIGATE
HIM OR ANYTHING!  HE HAS BEEN ALLOWED REPEATEDLY TO ATTEMPT TO MURDER
TERRI AND NEVER GETS INTO ANY TROUBLE FOR THIS!  HE REPEATEDLY FAILS
TO SHOW UP FOR COURT DEPOSITIONS AND NEVER GETS IN TROUBLE FOR THIS!
THIS AND SO MUCH MORE THAT MICHAEL HAS DONE POINT TO WIDESPREAD
CORRUPTION AND COLLUSION BY MANY PEOPLE REGARDING ALL OF THIS AND
THIS CASE!  THE MEDIA LIES ABOUT THIS CASE REPEATEDLY AND ABOUT TERRI
AND IT IS MY OPINION THIS IS DUE TO THEY ARE BEING TOLD WHAT TO SAY
BECAUSE THERE IS A HUGE AGENDA BEHIND WANTING TERRI DEAD - SO THAT
THEY CAN ILLEGALLY SET SO MANY PRECEDENTS IN THIS CASE AND THEY HAVE
ALREADY AND SO THAT THEY CAN ILLEGALLY MURDER AN INNOCENT DISABLED
WOMAN AND MOVE ON TO COUNTLESS OTHERS AND DO THE SAME THING TO THEM!

more links from apfn.net:
http://hospicepatients.org/Hosp-FL-Suncoast-entrypage.html

http://hospicepatients.org/is-the-hospice-A-faithful-Steward-of-
Donations.html

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri_labyak.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_martha.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri_sheriff.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri_barbara.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_wolfson.htm

Go here for more links (see left side of page for these links and
more)

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri.htm


More Links:

APFN UPDATES

Terri's Fight

Legislators in Favor of Terri's Law

Terri Wants To Live!

Crimes Against Humanity

A Criminal Matter

Disabled Woman Would Cry 'Help Me,'

Disabled Woman's Family, Former Nurses Seek Inquiry

Highlights Differences Between Two Neurologically Disabled

Gov. Bush Has Authority To Stop Death Of Terri Schiavo

Doctor Disputes Media Claims Terri Will Not Suffer Agonizing Death

Justice In America Dehumanizing The Disabled

Two Courts Deny Another Last-Minute Motion to Save Terri Schiavo

Letter to '$$The Death Factory'

Terri Schiavo To Die In Attorney's "Death Factory"?

Florida's Terri Case Opens the Door for Euthanasia in the USA

Terri Schiavo Story

AAPS Doctors: Schindler-Schiavo is NOT a "death with dignity" issue

Michael Schiavo Is Being Charged With Perjured Testimony and Fraud On
the Court

Terri's Medical Fund is Being Used To Facilitate Her Death

PDF FILE: Where Has the Money Gone?

[TERRISFIGHT] Family anger in coma woman case

State-Funded Agency to Probe Claim of Spousal Abuse in Terri Schiavo
Case


American Patriot Friends Network

"...a network of net workers..."

ALSO SEE:

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
for extensive info. about Terri including these links and much more:
must see:  Terri Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest Lies ; Glenn Beck
Humiliates Terri;  Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus; Complete Report
of Dr. William Hammesfahr; Terri Schiavo: Cognitively Able; Pat
Anderson's role in the Lisa McPherson Case ; Scientology Vs. Terri
Schiavo

See right side of page and also what's new for Terri info!

TERRI HAS HYDROCEPHALUS AND MUST BE TREATED FOR THIS CONDITIION
CAUSED BY TRAUMA TO THE HEAD BY HER HUSBAND MICHAEL SCHAIVO:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/28

WILL BE POSTING MORE HERE ASAP-KEEP COMING TO THIS SITE FOR MORE INFO!

TERRI-WATCH 10-6-04, WED. NIGHT! CBS' 60 Minutes TV SHOW features
Hydrocephalus + INFO. + tons of links!

According to this video, they can take the tube out at any time.
To: melissa roxanne
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 8:30 PM
Subject: Video of Hearing About Terri

Video of hearing on Terri

http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/2004/09/040930schiavo.shtml


According to this video, they can take the tube out at any time.



CBS 60 MINUTES
IS HAVING A SEGMENT ON
HYDROCEPHALUS
ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, OCTOBER 6, 2004
FROM 8-9 PM EASTERN (EDT).

----- Original Message -----
From: The Hydrocephalus Association
To: melissa roxanne
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:26 PM
Subject: 60 Minutes features Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus

Dear Members and Friends:

This Wednesday, October 6, at 8:00PM EST, the television show 60
Minutes (CBS) will feature a segment on Adult Onset Normal Pressure
Hydrocephalus, NPH. Please tune in and tell all your friends.

For more information, visit our website:
http://www.hydroassoc.org/60minutes.htm



We'll be watching and we hope you will too.


The Hydrocephalus Association


The Hydrocephalus Association
870 Market Stree, Suite 705
San Francisco, CA 94102
http://hydroassoc.org

(end of e-mail)


Melissa Roxanne Stanley will be a guest on Butch Chancellor's
internet radio broadcast, These Orwellian Times on Thursday, October
7. Topic: TERRI SCHIAVO. Time:  8am - 9am Pacific, 9am- 10am
Mountain, 10am -11am Central,  and 11am - 12am Eastern time. more...

http://libertytothecaptives.net/melissa_on_these_orwellian_times.html



On Air

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Thursday October 7 - 04

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Online Researcher
e-mail:
saveterrislife@...
Website http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages

Topic: Research Results - Part Two
in a Three Part Series
on Terri Schindler-Schiavo

Melissa Stanley will continue to present detailed evidence in this
blatantly corrupt case which most people have never heard. She will
also dispel the prolific lies which have been intentionally fed to
the public in order to further this murderous plot to finish off
Terri and move on to the rest of those deemed expendable. We must do
what is right to save Terri and all the others who will certainly
follow if we do nothing. In this corrupt and evil world, any one of
us could be chosen next . Don't think the Holocaust could never
happen again. It all began with the killing of one disabled baby boy.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Please
stand up now before it's too late for all of us. Hear the truth and
demand justice for Terri and all humanity. Listen to "These Orwellian
Times" before it's too late. -- Melissa Roxanne Stanley




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From: "melissa roxanne"
To: <vetzine@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:55 AM
Subject: Info. to read on your show - Re: Terri Has Hydrocephalus


Hi Butch,
I am working on a post for my site re: Hydrocephalus, Bone Scan showed
TRAUMA, CLOSED HEAD INJURY, numerous broken bones, etc. plus what Dr.
Hammesfahr stated in his complete exam re:  Terri and her injuries /
condition.  I am also posting info. re: Traumatic Brain Injury (and
the fact that violence is a major cause) plus quotes re:  Terri's
injuries from experts such as Neurologist Dr. Hammesfahr and famous
Forensic Pathologist Dr. Michael Baden.  I am posting the CBS' 60
Minutes TV segment on Hydrocephalus which airs tomorrow night from 8-
9 PM EDT, too.  This is what I am working on right now.  I will send
you the short info. on the show and maybe some longer info. later
which will be going up on my site asap.

Please urge everyone to watch the segment on 60 minutes and to tape
it if they can.

Let them know Terri DOES HAVE hydrocephalus and it can be treated and
MUST BE TREATED!  WE MUST DEMAND SHE GET TREATMENT for this condition
caused by her husband, Michael, from TRAUMA TO THE HEAD, as evidenced
on her bone scan.

If Terri was treated for her hydrocephalus, her condition would
greatly improve, according to all the evidence I have researched.
However, without treatment, this can be life threatening and surely
is not good for Terri.

Her cognitive (thinking) ability and so much more would improve with
treatment for the hydrocephalus, (which is why Michael would never
allow it), nor has anyone except Dr. Hammesfahr ever mentioned Terri
had this condition.  Instead, Michael and his attorney, Judge Greer,
the 2nd District Court of Appeal (2nd DCA) have all FLAT OUT LIED
about Terri's brain, cerebral cortex, fluid filled brain, missing
brain tissue, Terri's condition, and the fact that there is treatment
for it which is done everyday, and is not experimental.  (Plus, Greer
ruling that she is in a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS) and using a
fake definition which is illegal instead of the Florida statue
definition of PVS.)

They have all (see above paragraph) claimed there is NOTHING which
can be done for Terri and that she WILL NEVER GET BETTER.  They even
said nothing short of a MIRACLE could recreate her missing brain!

Tests were done on Terri which were not done they way they should
have been such as an EEG.  Terri was restless during the test which
created artifact. The artifact (noise due to the movement) was
removed and proof of her brainwave activity was erased along with the
artifact!  Terri's brainwaves were therefore erased!  None of this is
ever mentioned (except by Dr. Hammesfahr!)

A  simple shunt can be placed into Terri's brain to drain the excess
cerebrospinal fluid which built up after she suffered TRAUMA to her
head (due to Michael).  Another thing which can cause hydrocephalus
is the electrodes (brain implant) which was experimental surgery
Michael elected Terri to undergo without first obtaining prior court
permission.  This violates Florida statute, which isn't surprising,
as he has flagrantly violated numerous statues and committed felonies
time and again, without any punishment whatsoever from anyone!  Since
Michael refused to allow Terri to get follow up consultations after
the brain implant surgery (she was showing progress including
speaking!) Terri could have developed infection and hydrocephalus due
to this as well, or her hydrocephalus most likely WORSENED due to
lack of follow up therapy on the electrodes placed in her brain.

Note:  If new evidence surfaces, Terri is supposed to receive a new
trial. She should get a grand jury trial!  This should stop them all
in their tracks from their attempted murder!  Simple medical tests
could prove Terri has hydrocephalus and there is tons of evidence on
its treatment and that it would greatly improve Terri's condition.
Dr. Hammesfahr also has treatment that would greatly benefit Terri
and has offered to provide it free of charge.  Hyperbaric oxygen
therapy would benefit Terri as well.  These things and all of the
forms of therapy (physical, occupational, speech-language, vision,
neuropsychological therapy and other therapies) she has been denied
for a dozen years would DRAMATICALLY improve Terri's condition.

It will all depend on how much noise we can make and how many people
actually DO SOMETHING!

You can read this on your show if you'd like.  I will be addressing
all of this on your show and will send more info. asap re: all of
this.

Melissa

End of e-mail to Butch


60 Minutes TERRI - WATCH 10-6-04, WED. NIGHT!
CBS' 60 Minutes TV SHOW features Hydrocephalus + INFO. + tons of
links!


It's about NORMAL PRESSURE HYDROCEPHALUS (NPH) WHICH IS WHAT TERRI
HAS!

Many adults are being (Probably PURPOSELY) misdiagnosed as having
Alzheimers and Parkinson's Disease when they really have
hydrocephalus (probably to get them in nursing homes or hospices, or
under hospice care, then to have feeding tubes put in, then removed
to kill them, or to have them murdered by morphine!)

Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

(SHORT AND TO THE POINT) THIS IS A CONDITION INVOLVING CEREBRAL
SPINAL FLUID DUE TO HEAD TRAUMA AND LACK OF FOLLOW UP CARE AFTER
ILLEGALLY DONE (WITHOUT PRIOR COURT APPROVAL) EXPERIMENTAL BRAIN
IMPLANT (ELECTRODES)!  NO FOLLOW UP CARE AFTER BRAIN IMPLANT SURGERY
CAN CAUSE INFECTION AND HYDROCEPHALUS AS WELL!


Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations -
Go to http://libertytothecaptives.net and look for article titled
Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus under "must see" (middle column).

Or click on link below:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html
After you get to the above article called "Terri Has Hydrocephalus".
click on link at top to read
"Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations"
as there is FAR MORE INFO. THERE RE:  HYDROCEPHALUS & MORE!

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

Info. Re: Hydrocephalus including that it's caused by HEAD TRAUMA
(from MICHAEL SCHIAVO!)

What Is Hydrocephalus?


Hydrocephalus comes from the Greek: "hydro" means water, "cephalus"
means head. Hydrocephalus is an abnormal accumulation of
cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) within cavities called ventricles inside
the brain. CSF is produced in the ventricles, circulates through the
ventricular system and is absorbed into the bloodstream. CSF is in
constant circulation and has many important functions. It surrounds
the brain and spinal cord and acts as a protective cushion against
injury. CSF contains nutrients and proteins necessary for the
nourishment and normal function of the brain. It also carries waste
products away from surrounding tissues. Hydrocephalus occurs when
there is an imbalance between the amount of CSF that is produced and
the rate at which it is absorbed. As the CSF builds up, it causes the
ventricles to enlarge and the pressure inside the head to increase.

Hydrocephalus that is congenital (present at birth) is thought to be
caused by a complex interaction of environmental and perhaps genetic
factors. Aqueductal stenosis and spina bifida are two examples.
Acquired hydrocephalus may result from intraventricular hemorrhage,
meningitis, head trauma, tumors and cysts. Hydrocephalus is believed
to occur in about 2 out of 1,000 births. The incidences of adult-
onset hydrocephalus and acquired hydrocephalus are not known.

How Is Hydrocephalus Treated?

There is no known way to prevent or cure hydrocephalus. The most
effective treatment is surgical insertion of a shunt. Learn more
about shunts. Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is growing in
popularity as an alternative treatment method for hydrocephalus.
Learn more about third ventriculostomy.


http://www.hydroassoc.org/information/information.htm

adult-onset normal
pressure hydrocephalus  (NPH)
http://www.hydroassoc.org/information/nph.html

Read our NPH FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions).


http://www.hydroassoc.org/resources/resources.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/services/services.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/membership_info/membership.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/events/events.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/newsletter/newsletter.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/donations.asp

http://www.hydroassoc.org/links/links.htm

Directory of Doctors

http://216.82.69.38/default.asp



http://www.hydroassoc.org/../info_request/information_request.asp

(I did this already and received the info!)




For more information on hydrocephalus and the Hydrocephalus
Association, fill out our Information Request Form or contact us by
telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.


   Evidence Terri was beaten! see link to early medical report!

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm Transcript
of Bone Scan - Except they forgot "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"!


----- Original Message -----
From: The Hydrocephalus Association
To: melissa roxanne
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:26 PM
Subject: 60 Minutes features Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus

Dear Members and Friends:

This Wednesday, October 6, at 8:00PM EST, the television show 60
Minutes (CBS) will feature a segment on Adult Onset Normal Pressure
Hydrocephalus, NPH. Please tune in and tell all your friends.

For more information, visit our website:
http://www.hydroassoc.org/60minutes.htm



We'll be watching and we hope you will too.


The Hydrocephalus Association



              Hydrocephalus Association



The Hydrocephalus Association
870 Market Stree, Suite 705
San Francisco, CA 94102

EXTENSIVE EVIDENCE LISTED IN THIS POST!  PLEASE READ!
I will be a guest on Butch Chancellor's Radio Program
"These Orwellian Times"
presenting a 3 Part Series
on Terri Schindler-Schiavo.
Part 1 - Monday, Oct. 4, 2004
Part 2 - Thursday, Oct. 7, 2004
Part 3 - Monday, Oct. 11, 2004


On Air

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Monday October 4 - 04

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Online Researcher
e-mail:
saveterrislife@...
Website http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages

Topic:
Research Results - Part One
Stanley begins the first of a three part series in which she presents
the results of her research into the facts in the Terri Schindler case
on, "These Orwellian Times". Stanley's account begins by debunking
Terri's, "mysterious collapse" and proceeds, fact by fact through the
first State ordered to effort to kill Terri.


Note from Melissa (saveterrislife):
It is ILLEGAL to withhold ORAL (by mouth) food and water EVEN IF if a
Judge orders that a feeding tube can be removed from a person.  Even
though it is illegal, Terri was not given food or water by mouth the
last TWO TIMES her feeding tube was removed.



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Butch's blog has lots of info. re: Terri.
Plus, other guests, such as Diane Coleman,
of Not Dead yet, will be on his radio program
on Tuesday, Oct. 5, 2004 talking about Terri.




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Proof Jeb Bush Can And Should Free Terri Schindler-Schiavo
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/30

PLEASE USE THE ABOVE INFORMATION TO SEND TO BUSH AND OTHERS!
PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE & POST EVERYWHERE
IN ORDER TO SAVE TERRI'S LIFE!


Melissa Roxanne Stanley
FLORIDA CITIZEN
ONLINE RESEARCHER AND VOCAL TERRI SUPPORTER
e-mail: saveterrislife@...
Website http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages


Make sure Jeb Bush knows WE KNOW
he can stop this attempted murder
of an innocent, disabled woman!


Florida Governor Jeb Bush
phone: 850-488-7146
email: jeb.bush@... or jeb@...
fax: 850-487-0801 or 850-922-4292
Press Secretary - phone: 850-488-5394
Assistant Donovan Brown - phone: 850-410-0501



PLEASE CALL, FAX, & E-MAIL FL GOVERNOR JEB BUSH
RE: SAVING TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO NOW!



STOP THE MURDER OF AN INNOCENT HUMAN BEING!




The Schiavo Case: Right to Die or Right to Kill?


By Mary Beth Bonacci
Herald Columnist
(From the issue of 12/18/03)

I'm getting tired of hearing how "right wing zealots" are denying
Terri Schiavo her constitutional "right to die."

For those of you unfamiliar with the Schiavo case, let me summarize.
In 1990, a 26-year-old woman named Terri Schiavo collapsed in her
home. No one knows why.

(Note from Melissa:  There is much evidence to support that Terri was
severely beaten and strangled on February 25, 1990.  No one was home
with her except her husband, who has been trying for years to put her
to death (as in murder), illegally, by every way he possibly can.
See evidence below this article.  Melissa)

She lapsed into a coma, from which she emerged several weeks later.
Since that time, she has been in what doctors call a "locked in"
state. (Note from Melissa:  This is not true.  Terri is NOT in any
such state.  she responds to commands, laughs, smiles, cries, and
tries her best to communicate, despite being denied any and all forms
of therapy for over 10 years! See evidence of this below.  Melissa)

According to her family's Web site, "she is responsive to stimuli,
interacts with her environment and her loved ones and is capable of
communicating in limited ways … ."

After emerging from her coma, Terri's doctors noted her efforts to
speak and her responsiveness to external stimuli. She was able to eat
Jell-O and was speaking words.

But after a 1993 court settlement awarded Terri $1.2 million, her
husband and guardian Michael Schiavo — who had promised to use the
money to rehabilitate and care for Terri "for the rest of her life" —
ordered that her rehabilitative therapy be stopped. As a result,
Terri once again lost the ability to eat, and a feeding tube was
inserted to nourish and hydrate her.

In 1998 Schiavo petitioned the circuit courts of Pinellas County,
Fla. to end her life by removing her feeding tube. After a protracted
legal battle between Schiavo and Terri's parents, the court ordered
in the fall of 2003 that the tubes be removed. (Note from Melissa:
It is illegal to withhold ORAL - by mouth- food and water from a
person even AFTER a Judge orders their feeding tube removed!  Terri's
feeding tube was also removed for 60 hours in April, 2001.  It was
reinserted after new evidence came forth that her husband told his ex-
girfriend that Terri never told him she had any wishes to die if she
ever had any "tube" or was incapacitated or "a burden" etc. Despite
this new evidence, Judge Greer would not stop the illegal attempted
murder.  The family's attorneys went to another Judge, Judge Quesada,
and he ordered the illegal murder stopped and the tube reinserted
after 60 hours.  This was the first time the feeding tube was
removed.  Melissa)  They were indeed removed, which would have caused
Terri to die of starvation and dehydration within 10 to 14 days.
(Note from Melissa:  Remember, withholding ORAL food and water is
illegal - This is MURDER! ) But Florida governor Jeb Bush and the
state legislature intervened, passing "Terri's Law" and requiring the
reinsertion of the tubes while the matter is examined more thoroughly.

(Note from Melissa:  Governor Bush had the power as Governor to make
sure Terri was not illegally dehydrated and starved and the power to
order a full scale investigation into the entire matter, but he
refused to do so.  At least 6 attorneys / law firms came forward,
researched the case, and informed Governor Bush he had the power as
Governor to stop the attempted murder of Terri Schiavo.  They wrote
and delivered letters and memos to Governor Bush on the first day
Terri's feeding tube was removed and on the second day after Terri's
feeding tube was removed.  Terri was also being denied (illegally)
ORAL, meaning by MOUTH, food and water during the entire time her
tube was removed.  The Governor chose to ignore the attorneys' expert
advice imploring him he could stop the tortuous death by dehydration
of a vulnerable, innocent, disabled adult which evidence showed (and
still shows) had been strangled and beaten severely on February 25,
1990.  Instead, Governor Bush allowed Terri to dehydrate and starve,
illegally, for almost 7 days, until Terri's Law was passed, which he,
the Legislature, and the media all claimed, "empowered" Governor Bush
to step in and stop the attempted murder.  This is a LIE!  Governor
Bush had the power all along to stop this illegal attempted murder by
torture, and he still does!  Now, Terri's Law has been ruled
unconstitutional by the Florida Supreme Court (as of September 23,
2004).  Terri is right now very much in danger of being illegally
dehydrated to death once again (for the THIRD TIME!  Please make sure
this DOES NOT HAPPEN to Terri once again!  Melissa)

And so Terri Schiavo's life hangs in the balance.

Many in the media are hailing this as a "right to die" case. They say
that Terri is in persistent vegetative state, that she has no hope of
meaningful life, and that she should be allowed to die.

But make no mistake — this is most definitely not a right-to-die
case. It's a right-to-kill case. And the stakes are high, not just
for Terri, but for all of the vulnerable, disabled people of the
world.

First of all, numerous doctors have observed that Terri is not in a
persistent vegetative state. The state of Florida defines persistent
vegetative state as "a permanent and irreversible state of
unconsciousness in which there is an absence of voluntary or
cognitive behavior and an inability to interact purposefully with
one's environment." Terri is in no such condition. Videotapes show
Terri closely watching her family's movement, verbalizing in response
to questions, responding to simple commands and laughing when
listening to her favorite music. No fewer than 10 physicians are on
record with the court saying that Terri was aware and her condition
could improve with therapy. In fact, a Nobel nominee in medicine, Dr.
William Hammesfahr, has offered to treat her and provide her
rehabilitation without charge.  (Note:  See evidence of this below,
Melissa)

And then there are the issues surrounding her guardian and husband,
Michael Schiavo. He has repeatedly denied Terri the rehabilitative
therapy recommended by medical professionals treating her. He has
also repeatedly ordered that Terri not be treated for life-
threatening infections and blocked "swallowing tests" that would
determine whether Terri could be taught to eat without her feeding
tubes. Schiavo has also blocked tests that would determine if Terri
sustained bone damage around the time of her collapse, clarifying
lingering suspicions that her collapse may have been the result of
abuse at Schiavo's hand.

(See the Bone Scan which was done on Terri
http://www.terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg
53 weeks after her so called "mysterious collapse" when she was home
alone with Michael.  The bone scan states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY" at the
top portion of the fill-in-form and shows that Terri had numerous
broken bones and was a victim of TRAUMA.  It states "this patient has
a history of trauma."   It also states that "the presumption is that
the other multiple areas of abnormal activity also relate to previous
trauma."

Also see:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_bone_scan.html
with medical definitions from the Bone Scan

Also see the text of the Bone Scan (except the part which
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY", which they mistakenly forgot to
transcribe / point out) here:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm


See more evidence that Terri was beaten and strangled below.
Melissa)

In 1995 Schiavo moved in with girlfriend Jodi Centonze, and in 1997
the two announced their engagement. The couple, still cohabitating,
now have two children together. And yet Schiavo refuses to divorce
Terri.

And what of Terri's wishes? Schiavo and his brother claim that, in
casual conversation, they heard Terri say that she wouldn't want to
be "kept alive by machines." Her parents vigorously deny that she
ever made any such comments.

Even if Terri expressed such a wish, was it an offhand comment or
something she had reflected deeply upon? And was she really saying
that she'd want to starve to death? Those close to her believe that
she is now making every effort to communicate that she does not want
to die.  (Note:  Terri never made any such statement(s) that she
wished to die.  Michael never made any of these claims until very
recently, years and years after he testified in court that he would
take care of Terri the rest of her life and promised to get Terri all
of the therapy she needed (which the jury awarded Terri a substantial
amount of money specifically for Terri's therapy and medical care
only.  He denied Terri any therapy whatsoever thereafter.  After the
money was in the bank, Michael became hostile towards Terri's family
and gave orders to put "DO NOT RESUSCITATE" on Terri's medical
chart.  He soon after tried to withhold lifesaving antibiotics for a
urinary tract infection which, untreated, could have lead to sepsis
and would have likely killed Terri, only from lack of antibiotics to
treat the infection!  The nursing home intervened and gave Terri the
antibiotics, saving her life.  Terri's former nurse, Carla Iyer came
forward and swore on an affidavit that she believes Michael Schiavo
injected Terri with insulin on several occasions, and Terri would
have died had she not given her appropriate medical treatment.  On
the last occasion, Carla Iyer found a vial of insulin in Terri's room
after Michael had been alone with Terri, with the door to her room
closed and locked, as always.  Terri is not a diabetic.  Carla
reported this to the nursing home and turned in the vial of insulin
as evidence and was terminated from her job right away.  She has
since gotten death threats and her tires were slashed.  See affidavit
below.  Melissa)

Terri Schiavo is aware of her surroundings. She feels pain. And
starvation is not a painless way to die. It is, in fact, a
particularly torturous and cruel death.

This case is not about the right of a terminally ill person to refuse
useless life-prolonging treatment. It is about the right of an
adulterous, neglectful and possibly abusive husband to sentence his
wife to a slow, excruciating death.

If Michael Schiavo prevails, Terri will not be the only victim. The
world will become a far more dangerous place for all of those who are
disabled and unable to speak for themselves. Someday, that could be
you or me.

For more information, go to www.terrisfight.org

Bonacci is a frequent lecturer on chastity.

http://www.catholicherald.com/bonacci/03mb/mb031218.htm



Note from Melissa (saveterrislife):

It is ILLEGAL to withhold ORAL (by mouth) food and water EVEN IF if a
Judge orders that a feeding tube can be removed from a person.  Even
though it is illegal, Terri was not given food or water by mouth the
last TWO TIMES her feeding tube was removed.

Terri is not in a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS), though she and
others should never be killed no matter what their disability.  PVS
is misdiagnosed 43% of the time, according to a recent study!

Diagnosis of Persistent Vegetative State Questioned
as Former Patient Speaks Out


TAMPA BAY, November 12, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The case of
disabled Florida woman Terri Schiavo, who has been falsely labelled
as being in a "persistent vegetative state" (PVS) by most major media
outlets, has drawn attention to the controversial diagnosis which
suggests the medical state is permanent. Even those who contend that
PVS is a viable diagnosis suggest that patients are frequently
misdiagnosed as being in PVS.

According to a study published in the July 6, 1996 British Medical
Journal, 43% of patients diagnosed with PVS do not qualify for the
diagnosis.

Last week Kate Adamson appeared on the programme O'Reilly Factor to
relate she was diagnosed as being in a vegetative state and, like
Terri Schiavo, her feeding tube was removed, only to be reinserted
after eight days after her lawyer-husband threatened to sue the
hospital if they did not reinsert it. Adamson also refuted the
testimony of Terri's husband Michael Schiavo who suggested that PVS
patients do not feel the pain of starvation.

O'Reilly asked Adamson, "So you were feeling pain when they removed
your tube?" She responded, "Yes. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. To say
that -- especially when Michael [Schiavo] on national TV had
mentioned last week that it's a pretty painless thing to have the
feeding tube removed. It is the exact opposite. It was sheer torture,
Bill."

See the O'Reilly factor exchange in this article by Wesley J. Smith:

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/370oqiwy
.asp


A "Painless" Death?
Michael Schiavo insists that dehydration is "the most natural way to
die." It's more like torture.
by Wesley J. Smith
11/12/2003 12:00:00 AM



MANY WHO SUPPORT Terri Schiavo's threatened dehydration assert that
removing a feeding tube from a profoundly cognitively disabled person
results in a painless and gentle ending. But is this really true?
After all, it would be agonizing if you or I were locked in a room
for two weeks and deprived of all food and water. So, why should we
believe that cognitively disabled patients experience the deprivation
differently simply because they receive nourishment through a feeding
tube instead of by mouth?

An accurate discussion of this sensitive issue requires the making of
proper and nuanced distinctions about the consequences of removing
nourishment from incapacitated patients. This generally becomes an
issue in one of the following two diametrically differing
circumstances:

(1) Depriving food and water from profoundly cognitively disabled
persons like Terri who are not otherwise dying, a process that causes
death by dehydration over a period of 10-14 days. As I will
illustrate below, this may cause great suffering.

(2) Not forcing food and water upon patients who have stopped eating
and drinking as part of the natural dying process. This typically
occurs, for example, at the end stages of cancer when patients often
refuse nourishment because the disease has distorted their senses of
hunger and thirst. In these situations, being deprived of unwanted
food and water when the body is already shutting down does not cause
a painful death.

Advocates who argue that it is appropriate to dehydrate cognitively
disabled people often sow confusion about the suffering such patients
may experience by inadvertently, or perhaps intentionally, blurring
the difference between these two distinct situations. For example,
when Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, and his attorney, George
Felos, appeared on the October 27, 2003 edition of "Larry King Live"
the following exchange occurred:


KING: When a feeding tube is removed, as it was planned [for Terri],
is that a terrible death?
SCHIAVO: No. It's painless and probably the most natural way to die.

FELOS: When someone's terminally ill, let's say a cancer patient,
they lose interest in eating. And literally, they--by choice--they
stop eating.

SCHIAVO: Cancer patients, they stop eating for two to three weeks. Do
we force them to eat? No, we don't. That's their choice.

Later in the interview, Schiavo reiterated the assertion in a
response to a telephoned question:


CALLER: Does it bother you that the death is so slow?
SCHIAVO: Removing somebody's feeding tube is very painless. It is a
very easy way to die. Probably the second best way to die, the first
being an aneurysm.

Yes, it is true that when people are actively dying from terminal
disease, they often refuse food and water. The disease makes the food
and water repulsive to them. In such circumstances, it is medically
inappropriate to force food and water into a person who is actively
rejecting it. Indeed, doing so could cause suffering.

But this isn't what is happening to Terri. She isn't dying of cancer.
Her body isn't shutting down as part of the natural dying process.
Indeed, she is not dying at all--unless her food and water is taken
away.


WHAT HAPPENS to non-terminally ill people with cognitive disabilities
whose feeding tubes are removed? Do they suffer from the process?

When I conducted research on this question in preparation for writing
my book "Forced Exit," I asked St. Louis neurologist William Burke
these very questions. Here is what he told me:


A conscious [cognitively disabled] person would feel it just as you
or I would. They will go into seizures. Their skin cracks, their
tongue cracks, their lips crack. They may have nosebleeds because of
the drying of the mucus membranes, and heaving and vomiting might
ensue because of the drying out of the stomach lining. They feel the
pangs of hunger and thirst. Imagine going one day without a glass of
water! Death by dehydration takes ten to fourteen days. It is an
extremely agonizing death.
Dr. Burke opposes removing feeding tubes from cognitively disabled
people and so some might dismiss his opinion as biased. But Minnesota
neurologist Ronald Cranford's pro-dehydration testimony in the Robert
Wendland case--Cranford also testified that Terri's feeding tube
should be removed--supports much of what Dr. Burke asserted. While
Cranford called seizures "rare," his detailed description of the
dehydration process reveals its gruesome reality:


After seven to nine days [from commencing dehydration] they begin to
lose all fluids in the body, a lot of fluids in the body. And their
blood pressure starts to go down. When their blood pressure goes
down, their heart rate goes up. . . . Their respiration may increase
and then . . . the blood is shunted to the central part of the body
from the periphery of the body. So, that usually two to three days
prior to death, sometimes four days, the hands and the feet become
extremely cold. They become mottled. That is you look at the hands
and they have a bluish appearance. And the mouth dries a great deal,
and the eyes dry a great deal and other parts of the body become
mottled. And that is because the blood is now so low in the system
it's shunted to the heart and other visceral organs and away from the
periphery of the body . . .

MOST OF THE TIME, we never know for sure what a starved or dehydrated
person experiences. But in at least one case--that of a young woman
who had her tube feeding stopped for eight days and lived to tell the
tale--we have direct evidence of the agony that forced dehydration
may cause.

At age 33, Kate Adamson collapsed from a devastating and
incapacitating stroke. She was utterly unresponsive and was diagnosed
as being in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Because of a bowel
obstruction she developed, her nourishment was stopped so that
doctors could perform surgery.

Adamson eventually recovered sufficiently to author "Kate's Journey:
Triumph Over Adversity," in which she tells the terrifying tale.
Rather than being unconscious with no chance of recovery as her
doctors believed, she was actually awake and aware but unable to move
any part of her body voluntarily. (This is known as a "locked-in
state.") When she appeared recently on "The O'Reilly Factor," host
Bill O'Reilly asked Adamson about the dehydration experience:


O'REILLY: When they took the feeding tube out, what went through your
mind?
ADAMSON: When the feeding tube was turned off for eight days, I
thought I was going insane. I was screaming out in my mind, "Don't
you know I need to eat?" And even up until that point, I had been
having a bagful of Ensure as my nourishment that was going through
the feeding tube. At that point, it sounded pretty good. I just
wanted something. The fact that I had nothing, the hunger pains
overrode every thought I had.

O'REILLY: So you were feeling pain when they removed your tube?

ADAMSON: Yes. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. To say that--especially
when Michael [Schiavo] on national TV mentioned last week that it's a
pretty painless thing to have the feeding tube removed--it is the
exact opposite. It was sheer torture, Bill.

O'REILLY: It's just amazing.

ADAMSON: Sheer torture . . .

In preparation for this article, I contacted Adamson for more details
about the torture she experienced while being dehydrated. She told me
about having been operated upon (to remove the bowel obstruction)
with inadequate anesthesia when doctors believed she was unconscious:


The agony of going without food was a constant pain that lasted not
several hours like my operation did, but several days. You have to
endure the physical pain and on top of that you have to endure the
emotional pain. Your whole body cries out, "Feed me. I am alive and a
person, don't let me die, for God's Sake! Somebody feed me."
Unbelievably, she described being deprived of food and water as "far
worse" than experiencing the pain of abdominal surgery. Despite
having been on an on an IV saline solution, Adamson still had
horrible thirst:


I craved anything to drink. Anything. I obsessively visualized
drinking from a huge bottle of orange Gatorade. And I hate orange
Gatorade. I did receive lemon flavored mouth swabs to alleviate
dryness but they did nothing to slack my desperate thirst.
Apologists for dehydrating patients like Terri might respond that
Terri is not conscious and locked-in as Adamson was but in a
persistent vegetative state and thus would feel nothing. Yet, the PVS
diagnosis is often mistaken--as indeed it was in Adamson's case. And
while the courts have all ruled that Terri is unconscious based on
medical testimony, this is strongly disputed by other medical experts
and Terri's family who insist that she is interactive with them.
Moreover, it is undisputed that whatever her actual level of
awareness, Terri does react to painful stimuli. Intriguingly, her
doctor testified he prescribes pain medication for her every month
during the course of her menstrual period.


BEYOND THE TERRI SCHIAVO CASE, it is undisputed that conscious
cognitively disabled patients are dehydrated in nursing homes and
hospitals throughout the country almost as a matter of routine. Dr.
Cranford, for example, openly admitted in his Wendland testimony that
he removes feeding tubes from conscious patients. Thus, many other
people may also have experienced the agony described by Adamson and
worse, given that dehydrating to death goes on for about a week
longer than she experienced.


AT THIS POINT, defenders of removing feeding tubes from people with
profound cognitive disabilities might claim that whatever painful
sensations dehydration may cause, these patients receive palliating
drugs to ensure that their deaths are peaceful. But note: Adamson
either did not receive such medications, or if she did, they didn't
work. Moreover, because these disabled people usually can't
communicate, it is impossible to know precisely what they experience.
Thus, when asked in a deposition what he would do to prevent Robert
Wendland from suffering during his dehydration, Dr. Cranford
responded that he would give morphine but that the dose would
be "arbitrary" because "you don't know how much he's suffering, you
don't know how much aware he is . . . You're guessing at the dose."
At trial, Cranford suggested he might have to put Wendland into a
coma, a bitter irony considering that he had struggled over many
months to regain consciousness.

The time has come to face the gut wrenching possibility that
conscious cognitively disabled people whose feeding tubes are removed-
-as opposed to patients who are actively dying and choose to stop
eating--may die agonizing deaths. This, of course, has tremendous
relevance in the Terri Schiavo case and many others like it. Indeed,
the last thing anyone wants is for people to die slowly and
agonizingly of thirst, desperately craving a refreshing drink of
orange Gatorade they know will never come.


Wesley J. Smith is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and an
attorney and consultant for the International Task Force on
Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide. His current book is the revised and
updated "Forced Exit: The Slippery Slope From Assisted Suicide to
Legalized Murder."


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Correction appended 11/13/03: The article originally stated that Kate
Adamson had been deprived of nourishment in an attempt to end her
life. In fact, the dehydration was being done in attempt to alleviate
a bowel obstruction. The painful surgery Adamson refers to was
originally referred to as surgery to insert a feeding tube. It was
actually surgery to remove the bowel obstruction, which is a more
involved procedure.


PVS:  WITHDRAWING FOODS AND FLUIDS
http://www.donoharm.org.uk/leaflets/pvs.htm

(The text of the website linked above appears directly below -
Melissa)


What You Need to Know
THE MEDICAL EDUCATION TRUST

What is P.V.S.?
This name, Persistent Vegetative State, is given to a syndrome (a
variety of signs) which affects some people who have survived very
severe brain damage. After a few weeks the eyes will open and close,
but adequate feeding can take 3 - 3 1/2 hours. Feeding by gastrostomy
tube inserted through the abdominal wall into the stomach is now used
to ensure adequate nutrition and facilitate nursing.

Many people will be surprised to learn that this method was first
described almost a hundred years ago in Transactions of the Kentucky
Medical Society (1896) pp.123-143, in which Dr. M. F Coomes reported
one case; also Dr. Lewis McMurtry reported a case of a blockage in
the oesophagus and noted "the ease of G-tube feeding." The food comes
pre-packed and is not expensive. One young man who is nursed at home
has his tube changed once a year without any difficulty at his local
hospital? The gastrostomy tube has replaced the naso-gastric tube
which causes difficulty in swallowing one's saliva.

These people are not on a life support machine, but they are totally
dependent on others for nursing care, as are people with severe
degrees of such conditions as multiple sclerosis and motor neurone
disease.

Diagnosis Keith Andrews, Director of Medical and Research Services at
the Royal Hospital for Neuro-Disability has shown that accurate
diagnosis requires the skills of a multidisciplinary team.

Out of a group of forty patients referred to the hospital as "PVS',
17 (43%) were found to have been misdiagnosed: they were aware,
though they had not been enabled to communicate. `Seven of these had
been presumed to be vegetative for longer than one year, including
three for over four years.' Eyetracking may be a sign of awareness;
but some patients may be blind. Advances have been made by Professor
Schonle in Germany in tracing electrical impulses in the brain, which
may indicate whether or not speech is properly understood by the
patient.

Can anything be done to improve these patients?
YES. For example, on admission to the Neuro-Disability Unit, PVS
patients are seated during the day, ensuring better muscle tone and
head control. Improving nutritional state by means of a gastrotomy
tube and ensuring the patient's comfort often leads to evidence of
awareness. A stimulation programme designed to facilitate the
patient's ability to respond has led to cognition of letters of the
alphabet and responses to questions using electronic equipment.

"Vegetative" a poor description
The word `vegetative' is unfortunate. It implies a lack of humanity.
The patients have been referred to as `cases where scarce medical
resources are wasted on human vegetables', `a living corpse'. But
someone with PVS is still a person - `the living body of a human
being', according to the Oxford Dictionary. He or she does not have
roots, like a vegetable, or need the sun in order to grow. The person
is alive, with heart and lungs functioning without artificial
mechanical support. He or she needs food just like everybody else.

There is continued pressure to end the lives of people, if correctly
diagnosed as PVS, by withdrawing food and fluids. The person seems to
have `gone'; yet he or she is alive, like the Sleeping Beauty in the
legend, who slept for 100 years. She, like these patients, retained
her dignity, and did not feel the burden of passing time.

What is the ethical position regarding withdrawing the feeding tube
with the intention of causing death?
A doctor should never deliberately kill a patient by any action or
omission, either with or without the patient's or relatives' consent.
This ethic has been accepted for 2,400 years and has proved to be the
foundation for western medicine.

At present such action must be sanctioned in each case by a court. It
remains unethical. Medicine serves life; to do otherwise destroys the
very nature of the profession.

What about the ten `PVS' patients who were caused to die from lack of
fluids, by order of the Court?
Some PVS patients may experience the agony of thirst if deprived of
fluid. Post-mortem evidence in one case in the U.S. showed that the
thirst centre in the brain - the hypothalamus - had not been
damaged.  In the Bland judgement in 1993, the Law Lords gave
permission for it, stating that tube feeding was `medical treatment';
it was futile, therefore the doctor could withdraw it without
committing a crime. The medical ethic has always deplored futile
treatment; but food and fluids were not treating any disease. The
Royal College of Nursing also in their evidence to the House of Lords
Select Committee on Euthanasia stated that providing nourishment was
part of nursing care.

Medical statements on causing death
In 1988 the BMA Council stated:

`. . . the deliberate taking of a human life should remain a
crime . . . this rejection of a change in the law is not just a
subordination of individual well-being to social policy. It is,
instead, an affirmation of the supreme value of the individual, no
matter how worthless and hopeless that individual may feel.'

The World Medical Association has stated that:

`The Hippocratic tradition was reformulated in the Declaration of
Geneva 1948'. This declaration states: `I will have the utmost
respect for human life . . . The health of my patient will be my
first consideration.'

Other notable statements which support the traditional ethic are:

Dr Fred Rosner

`Every human being is morally expected to help another human in
distress . . . Fluids and nutrition are part and parcel of supportive
care. Food and fluids given to a handicapped person or dying patient
does not become medical therapy because another person is needed to
provide it. There is no time when general supportive measures can be
abandoned, thereby hastening the patient's demise.'

Dr M. Siegler and Dr A. J. Weisbard

'Compassionate calls to withdraw fluids in a few selected cases bear
the seeds of great potential abuse.'

Siegler and Weisbard further argue that continuing care ensures:

  that patients will be protected against diagnostic error, inadequate
treatment and unscrupulous care for financial and other reasons.
  physicians will not be forced to make ad hoc value-laden quality of
life decisions.
  `The professions will benefit by avoiding any appearance that they
are balancing quality of life or cost consciousness against
compassionate standards of medical care.'

What is the difference between denial of food and fluids and the
denial of medical and surgical therapy?
Derr points out:

Fluid and nutrition are universal human needs whereas medical and
surgical therapy are not.

He also states:

  The physician-patient relationship may be severely harmed
  To permit physicians to deny food and fluid to patients who are
capable of receiving and utilising them directly attacks the very
foundation of medicine as a profession
  The denial of food and fluid administered by `artificial' means is
no different from such denial when food can be administered in a
`normal' manner.

A Medical Procedure?
In Britain, each Health Authority is only likely to have one or two
people at any one time in PVS. Their care does not impose a
significant burden on the NHS. It would not seem worth while to
change the law against homicide and depart from medical ethics
observed for more than two thousand years just in order to eliminate
these patients. But once denial of food and fluids has become an
accepted medical procedure, it can be applied to others. It has
already been proposed for people with disease such as Alzheimer's, if
they have signed an `Advance Directive' to allow it.

Commenting on this, a consultant at Worcester Royal Infirmary has
said:

`Those of us who have seen death by starvation and dehydration think
people should be warned that it is a particularly harrowing process
that cannot be adequately relieved by drugs.'

In 1984, a supporter of euthanasia said at a convention:

`If we can get people to accept the removal of all treatment and
care  - especially the removal of food and fluids - they will see
what a painful way this is to die and then, in the patient's best
interest, they will accept the lethal injection.'

We are involved
PVS patients represent a challenge. Campaigners for euthanasia are
asking us to disown some of our fellow human beings, call them
`vegetables' and condemn them to death. The alternative is to
recognise, like John Donne, that:

`No man is an island, entire of itself . . . Any Man's death
diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind.'

REFERENCES
1 Jennet B., Plum F., Persistent Vegetative state after brain damage:
A syndrome in search of a name. Lancet 1972: 734-737
2 Andrews, Keith, The Guardian. Letters 7th April 1990
3 Tudor, M., Persistent Vegetative State: Journal of the Catholic
Medical Quarterly, September 1991
4 With acknowledgements to Mrs. Rita Marker, Director, IAETF
5 Private communication with the parents - Dr. Peggy Norris
6 British Medical Journal, 6 July 1996
7 Sunday Telegraph, 17 November 1966
8 L. Murphy, Chartered Psychologist: Bulletin of Psychological
Society 1995: Vol. 8, p.445-447
9 Smoker, Barbara, `Remember the Non-Terminally Ill and the
Disabled', Voluntary Euthanasia Society Newsletter, September 1991
10 P. McCullagh, MD, DPhil, MRCP, Senior Fellow, the John Curtin
School of Medical Research, The Australian National University.
C.M.Q., Feb. 1996.
11 M. Jarmulowicz, BSc, MB, MRCPath: Neuropathological findings in
cases of Persistent Vegetative State, C.M.Q., Feb. 1995.
12 H.L. Paper 21-II, 1993-4
13 Council of the BMA, British Medical Journal, Vol. 296 p.1408 14
May 1988
14 World Medical Association
15 Rosner, Fred, MD `Withdrawing Fluids and Nutrition: An Alternative
Way'. The Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine Vol. 654 No.
5, June 1988
16 Siegler, M., Weisbard, AJ., `Against the Emerging Stream: Should
Fluids and Nutritional Support be Discontinued?' Arch. Intern. Med.
145; 129-31
17 Derr, P.G., Why Food and Fluids can never be denied. Hastings
Center Report , 16: 28-30, February 1986
18 Cole, Anthony, Sunday Mercury, 1st December 1991
19 Kuhse, Helga, at the Fifth Biennial Congress of Societies for the
Right to Die, held in Nice in September 1984. (Reported in The
Linacre Quarterly, August 1989).

http://www.donoharm.org.uk/leaflets/pvs.htm



EVIDENCE PROVING TERRI SCHIAVO
IS *NOT* IN A PERSISTENT VEGETATIVE STATE (PVS):

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Hammesfahrexam.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Affidavit%20Jacob%20Green.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/alexGimonAffidavit082503.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/DrNeubauerAffidavit.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/DrRussellaffidavit.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Affidavit%20Fred%20Webber.htm


AFFIDAVITS FROM TERRI'S FORMER NURSES AND CAREGIVERS
RE:  EVIDENCE ABOUT TERRI
AND
EVIDENCE ABOUT MICHAEL SCHIAVO, HER "HUSBAND" WHO WANTS HER DEAD
AND HAS PERMISSION FROM THE COURT TO CREMATE HER BODY IMMEDIATELY
UPON DEATH (HE ALSO HAS PERMISSION TO USE FUNDS A JURY DESIGNATED BE
USED TO PAY FOR TERRI'S REHABILITATIVE THERAPY - WHICH HE TOTALLY
DENIED TERRI - AND MEDICAL EXPENSES TO ILLEGALLY PAY FOR THE
CREMATION!):


CARLA IYER AFFIDAVIT, INCLUDES STATEMENTS RE: INSULIN VIAL FOUND BY
IYER IN TERRI'S ROOM AND THAT SHE BELIEVES INJECTIONS OF INSULIN
GIVEN TO TERRI BY MICHAEL IN ORDER TO KILL HER ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/CIyerAffidavit090203.htm

MORE OF TERRI'S CAREGIVERS AFFIDAVIT'S:

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/hlawaffidavit.htm

(PDF DOCUMENT)
htto://zimp.org/documents/AffidavitTCapone050901.pdf

(PDF DOCUMENT)
http://zimp.org/documents/cjohnsonaff.pdf

see
http://terrisfight.org/documents.html
See "IMPORTANT ITEMS" ON LEFT SIDE OF PAGE IN BROWN COLUMN

(See the Bone Scan which was done on Terri
http://www.terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg
53 weeks after her so called "mysterious collapse" when she was home
alone with Michael.  The bone scan states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY" at the
top portion of the fill-in-form and shows that Terri had numerous
broken bones and was a victim of TRAUMA.  It states "this patient has
a history of trauma."   It also states that "the presumption is that
the other multiple areas of abnormal activity also relate to previous
trauma."

Also see:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_bone_scan.html
with medical definitions from the Bone Scan

Also see the text of the Bone Scan (except the part which
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY", which they mistakenly forgot to
transcribe / point out) here:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm

The four paragraphs directly below this is taken from the Media Kit
posted at Terri's website. Below that is a true transcript (also
posted on www.terrisfight.org, in the download section titled "Bone
Scan").  We've transcribed it here for easier reading, since the
original was very faint with broken and blurred letters.

You will read a transcript of the doctor describing what he found on
Terri's bone scan. We had help with definitions and will bracket
those terms for further understanding of what you're reading.

Allegedly -- according to Michael Schiavo -- Terri's brain damage was
due to a heart attack. Read this and then decide which you believe. --
  Jackie --  October 16th, 2003

P.S.  If you haven't made your calls for Terri, PLEASE DO.

__________________________________________________

Terri was NEVER diagnosed as a heart attack victim when she was
admitted to the Northside Humana emergency room in February 1990. To
this day, her family does not know the true cause of her collapse.
Doctors immediately excluded heart attack as her blood enzymes were
not elevated -- typical in all heart attack victims. Terri's
toxicology screen also eliminated any suspicion of drugs.
At the time of Terri's admittance, blood tests revealed a depletion
of electrolytes and her attending physician HYPOTHESIZED that low
blood potassium MAY have caused her collapse. It was with this
information that Michael Schiavo entered into a lawsuit against
Terri's General Practitioner and Gynecologist, claiming negligence on
their part.
In preparation for Terri's October 2002 trial, her ER records were
reviewed and it was plainly noted in the "Admitting Summary" that
Terri had a "rigid neck" when she was admitted to the hospital. These
injuries were never disclosed to Terri's family, nor -- to their
knowledge -- were they ever investigated. The doctor reviewing these
records testified that the only other patient he treated with similar
injuries was the victim of an attempted strangulation.
The prospect that foul play may have led to Terri's collapse and
ensuing heart stoppage was enhanced when a bone scan was recently
found. This scan, taken 53 weeks after Terri's collapse revealed that
Terri had fractured ribs, damage to her pelvic area, LI vertebrae,
spine, both knees and both ankles. It also revealed that Terri had
suffered a broken femur and a broken back. Three doctors concluded
that Terri had endured trauma of some sort. The radiologist
responsible for the scan plainly stated: "This patient has a history
of trauma".
[excerpt from the media kit]


___________________________________________________________________

831223741016
                      03-05-91

Theresa Schiavo

Nuclear Imaging

BONE SCAN

3-5-91

Indication: Evaluate for trauma

Procedure and findings. Multiple gama camera images of the axial
[trunk] and proximal appendicular [limbs] skeleton in the anterior
[front] and posterior [back] projections were obtained following 2.1
millicuries of technetium 99m HDP.

There are an extensive number of focal abnormal areas of nuclide
accumulation of intense type. These include multiple bilateral ribs,
the costovertebral [where ribs and vertebra come together] aspects of
several of the thoracic [upper] vertebral bodies, the L1 [lower]
vertebral body, both sacroliac joints, the distal right femoral
diaphysis, both knees and both ankles, the right greater than the
left.

Correlative radiographs are obtained of the lumbar spine and of the
right femur [leg bone] which reveal compression fracture; minor,
superior and plate of L1, and shaggy, irregular periosteal
ossification along the distal femoral diaphysis, and metaphysis
primarily ventrally. [calcification showing where bones were broken
and have healed].

The patient has a history of trauma. Most likely the femoral
periosteal reaction reflects a response to a subperiosteal hemorrhage
and the activity in L1 correlates perfectly with the compression
fracture which is presumably traumatic.

The presumptions is that the other multiple areas of abnormal
activity also relate to previous trauma. Additional possibilities
would be neoplastic bone disease, widespread disseminated infectious
bone disease or multiple bone infarcts from abnormal hemoglobin.

CONCLUSION: Multiple areas of abnormal scintigraphic [actinographic?]
accumulation, some of which are radiograph for differential as
discussed above.

W. Campbell Walker M.D./mjt

Dictated 3-5-91

Transcribed ?-5-91

Lee Memorial Hospital

____________________________________________________

NOTE: The person who helped with the spelling and definitions said
simply, what the doctor described would most likely be the results of
someone who had been kicked, and kicked and kicked.

The ER report said her "neck was rigid". From the videos we've seen
on Terri's website, it appears that the 'rigid neck' continues. As
she was following the movement of a balloon, she tracked it to the
right by turning her head; as it was moved to her left side you'll
notice she tracks it only with her eyes. When the Priest would come
in to pray with her -- even though she tried -- she wasn't able to
bow her head "because of her stiff neck". Remember "the doctor
reviewing these records testified that the only other patient he
treated with similar injuries was the victim of an attempted
strangulation."

If a person is strangulated it follows there would be a loss of
oxygen to the brain -- causing brain damage -- as the blood supply
was blocked. - Jackie


http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm


EVIDENCE OF STRANGULATION AND TRAUMA DONE TO TERRI:

see next post!

Make sure Jeb Bush knows we know he can stop this attempted murder of
an innocent, disabled woman!

Look on this website for statues (state laws) being broken and which
have been broken in this case.  Quote these to Governor Bush's office
and in e-mails, faxes, phone calls to officials and media!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/1

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/7

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/17

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/18

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/19


Florida Governor Jeb Bush
phone: 850-488-7146
email: jeb.bush@... or jeb@...
fax: 850-487-0801 or 850-922-4292
Press Secretary - phone: 850-488-5394
Assistant Donovan Brown - phone: 850-410-0501


PHOTOS/INFO RE: LISA MCPHERSON OF CLEARWATER, FL, WHO DIED OF
DEHYDRATION (CLEARWATER FLORIDA IS THE SAME EXACT CITY TERRI LIVES IN
AT THIS VERY MOMENT!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/29


Note from saveterrislife (Melissa Roxanne Stanley):
Terri never had a heart attack or cardiac arrest.

See proof of this at http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Look for "must see articles" including
"Terri Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest Lies"

See more proof in this interview of Dr. Hammesfahr, Neurologist who
examined Terri.  He states that Terri did not have a heart attack.

HAMMESFAHR: I saw her last about a year ago and as part of the court
ordered evaluations.

HANNITY: Yes, but you basically said that she could be rehabilitated,
that she showed...

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely. She is not in a coma. She did not have a
heart attack. She is not in a coma presently. She absolutely can be
rehabilitated. There's no question about that.

HAMMESFAHR: But the medical record clearly shows that there has never
been a heart attack. Potassium causes damage by causing heart
attacks, so we know the potassium is not an issue.


Foul Play In Terri Schiavo Case?

(transcript from FoxNews' Hannity & Colmes TV show, October 27, 2003)

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: A 1990 heart attack left Terri Schiavo
(search) with severe brain damage. Since then a legal battle has
raged over whether or not to keep her alive. On October 15 her
feeding tube was removed, according to her husband's wishes.

Last week, after intervention by the Florida legislature, Governor
Jeb Bush (search) ordered that her feeding tube be reinserted. Now
time is running out for Terri's husband to challenge the
constitutionality of the law that's been dubbed by many as Terri's
Law.

So what will happen next in this tragic case? Joining us now is
Terri's father, Robert Schindler. And also joining us, a neurosurgeon
who has examined Terri, Dr. William Hammesfahr.

All right. Thank you both for being with us.

How is she doing first of all, Mr. Schindler, after the tube now has
been reinserted?

ROBERT SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S FATHER: She's really made a
remarkable combat. She's very, very tired naturally, being without
food for seven days and hydration. But today, she was probably a
little more responsive than yesterday, and she was very agitated
today. She didn't want to bother with anybody or anything.

HANNITY: Yes. Doctor, you've examined her, and you've come to the
conclusion, No. 1, that can she can be rehabilitated. And when is the
last time you evaluated her and what else did you find?

DR. WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, NEUROLOGIST: I saw her last about a year ago
for the court. I want to just jump in here for a second. I'm a
neurologist and not a neurosurgeon.

HANNITY: I'm sorry.

HAMMESFAHR: I saw her last about a year ago and as part of the court
ordered evaluations.

HANNITY: Yes, but you basically said that she could be rehabilitated,
that she showed...

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely. She is not in a coma. She did not have a
heart attack. She is not in a coma presently. She absolutely can be
rehabilitated. There's no question about that.

HANNITY: You know, Mr. ...

HAMMESFAHR: In fact, she follows commands right now. She follows
commands right now.

HANNITY: Well, I can see that.

HAMMESFAHR: She's not in a coma.

HANNITY: I'm not a doctor, but when I see this video it's heart-
wrenching to me and the fact that this poor women went six days
without a feeding tube is frightening to me.

The last time we had you on, Mr. Schindler, you were very harsh in
your comments about the husband. And you believe his fear is, is that
if your daughter wakes up, she will have to -- a tale to tell about
him. Can you...

SCHINDLER: That comes from the evidence that there's medical evidence
that she had a neck injury. And as the doctor said, she had no heart
attack. And her ribs and parts of her body suffered fractures.

HANNITY: Yes.

SCHINDLER: And there's really no explanation for what her collapse
was. Not at all.

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Doctor Hammesfahr, I read the medical report.
There was a report that when she came into the E.R., she had a rigid
neck. Is that consistent with a neck injury?

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely, yes, it is. They also did X-rays at the
emergency room and the X-rays showed straightening of the normal
spinal curvature, which is very typical of a new neck injury.

COLMES: We heard a lot about low potassium, but this neck injury
stuff is very interesting. Would that kind of a situation be
consistent with the possibility of foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I'd like to go back to the potassium for a second,
because he talked about the potassium and about the diet pills issue
or some other drugs.

COLMES: Sure. Sure.

HAMMESFAHR: But the medical record clearly shows that there has never
been a heart attack. Potassium causes damage by causing heart
attacks, so we know the potassium is not an issue.

COLMES: But with the rigid neck, is that consistent with what could
be foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I have seen a neck that rigid from trauma to the neck.

COLMES: All right. So you wouldn't venture to say foul play but --
are you intimating that?

HAMMESFAHR: I think that that type of a neck that shows a degree of
injury, and I think that it needs to be looked at much more closely
to find out the exact cause.

Right now we have a woman who had a collapse with no known cause. No
evidence of infection, heart attack, respiratory failure or anything.
The only thing found in the emergency room is a damaged neck.

COLMES: Mr. Schindler, are you going to try to prove foul play at
some point and try to press some kind of a case here against your son-
in- law?

SCHINDLER: Well, what we're trying to do, there are two issues. One
is to get Terri therapy, because we believe she can recover.

And the second thing is we want to have an investigation. We're
asking the local police, the attorney, and no one will touch it.
There's a cap on it. Someone's blocking everything.

HANNITY: Mr. Schindler, we're going to continue to follow this story.
I'm very, very grateful to the Florida legislature and Jeb Bush. I
think they did the right thing, and we'll monitor this and have you
back on again.

SCHINDLER: So were we. Thank you very much.

HANNITY: Doctor, good to see you. Appreciate you being with us.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132744,00.html


Look at my other posts re:  the attorneys who told Governor Bush he
could stop the attempted murder of Terri Schiavo on October 15th and
October 16th, 2003.  Please copy and paste these letters into an e-
mail or quote from them when you call or fax!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/12
ATTORNEYS LETTERS TO GOVERNOR BUSH AT LINK ABOVE!



It is ILLEGAL to withhold ORAL (BY MOUTH) food and water from a
person even IF a Judge rules that their feeding tube can be removed!
This is a FELONY AND ATTEMPTED MURDER OR MURDER IF THE PERSON DIES!

Please make the calls and send the e-mails and urge everyone you know
to do so, too.  The few minutes it takes could result in Terri's life
being saved!

They have already removed her feeding tube twice, now and refused to
allow her to have food and water by mouth BOTH times!  The President,
Governor, Judges, politicians and other officials all
know this is ILLEGAL and is attempted murder!  Michael Schiavo
Terri's husband knows this is illegal as well.  So do his attorneys
and the hospice owners, managers, Doctors, Nurses, and Terri's
caregivers.  The police know it as well!  If anyone you contact
denies it is illegal, assure them you know it is true.  If Terri's
feeding tube is removed again for the third time, whoever is involved
in letting this happen or making it happen or surrounding Terri with
armed guards to prevent her from being given food and water by mouth,
HAS BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS AND IS GUILTY OF EITHER ATTEMPTED MURDER OR
ACCOMPLICE TO ATTEMPTED MURDER!

Michael Schiavo wants to murder Terri so that she will never be able
to tell the world what he did to her on February 25, 1990 and what he
continues to do to her.  He denies her therapy for the very same
reason.  It is against the law to deny a disabled person therapy and
to deny them an attorney!  Michael also spent all of the money Terri
was awarded in a phony malpractice suit (Michael claimed Terri
collapsed because she had a potassium imbalance due to bulimia and
that her doctors should have done a blood test to determine she had a
potassium imbalance).  This is a flat out LIE!

Very Good Reasons To Remove Michael Schiavo
and Open a Criminal Investigation

Petition to Governor Jeb Bush to Remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
Guardian And Open a Full Criminal Investigation.

Dear Governor Bush:
Thank you for implementing Terri's Law and your ongoing support for
her right to life. In light of the evidence in this case, we believe
your actions were both heroic and necessary. In light of the evidence
of criminal action by her husband, we respectfully request that you
immediately commence proceedings to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
legal guardian and open a criminal investigation based on the
following:

1) Bone scans and medical records from 1990 indicate severe trauma,
numerous broken bones; no criminal investigation has ever been
conducted. A review of these records by top US Forensic Pathologist
Michael Baden concluded that a criminal investigation should be
conducted.

2) Michael Schiavo defrauded the courts by promising to care for
Terri for the rest of his life and then used the jury awarded $700
thousand specifically designated for Terri's rehabilitation for his
own personal gain and to end Terri's life. This also violates Fl
Statute. 825.103 "Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled
adult" which prohibits the misuse of a disabled person's funds by the
guardian.

3) Further, Section (2)(a) states that If the funds, assets, or
property involved in the exploitation of the elderly person or
disabled adult is valued at $100,000 or more, the offender commits a
felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s.
775.083, or s. 775.084.

4)The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101
provides that necessary and appropriate rehabilitation services and
physical/motor skill therapy may not be denied a substantially
disabled patient in the United States of America.

5) Cf 28 CFR, Ch 1, Subpart B, Sect 35.130 States "Nothing in the Act
or this part authorizes the representative or guardian of an
individual with a disability to decline food, water, medical
treatment, or medical services for that individual."

6)Failure to Discharge His Duties under FS § 744.474 (2) requires
that the guardian protect the rights of the ward, provide for her
health and safety, properly manage her financial resources and help
her regain her abilities to the maximum extent possible.

7)The initial move to Hospice was done in violation of the annual
plan and without court permission in violation of FS §
744.3215(4)].

Terri has the right to receive visitors and communicate with others.
FS § 744.3215

9) Terri has the right to receive "palliative care" which is the
comprehensive management of the physical, psychological, social,
spiritual, and existential needs of the patient. FS. § 765.102.

10) In 1990, Michael took Terri to San Francisco for experimental
medical treatment, without the necessary prior approval of the Court.
FS. § 744.3215(4).

11) The guardian is required by law to prepare and present an annual
plan. FS § 744.3675.Repeatedly, the annual plans have been filed
late
or not at all

12) In his annual reports, Schiavo has failed to prepare and present
any plan for the provision of medical, mental health, and
rehabilitative services in the coming year as required by FS
§744.3675 (1)(b)(3)

13) The Adult Protective Services Act (Chapter 415 of the Florida
Statutes) affords protection to disabled persons from abuse, neglect
and exploitation

14) Fla. Stat. § 415. 102(1)(2002). Schiavo's isolation of
Terri and
refusal to provide adequate physician attention, rehabilitative
services, dental care and other medical services constitutes abuse
under the Adult Protective Services Act as well as the guardianship
statutes.

15) Schiavo's decision to hold Terri at Hospice after it was
clear
that she was not "terminal" within Medicare guidelines was an
improper use of the ward's assets. In order to receive federal
payment for hospice care, the facility must obtain a certification
from the attending physician within two calendar days of initial
admission that the patient's "prognosis is for a life expectancy
of 6
months or less if the terminal illness runs its normal course." 42
C.F.R. § 418.22 (2001) Terri has been in Hospice 3 years.

Governor Bush, the Florida courts, DCF and Adult Protective Services
have failed to do their job of protecting Terri's rights. Please
exercise your executive power to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
legal guardian at once, appointing her as a ward of the State under
your care and demand a full investigation through every possible
legal authority, including Federal Investigative Assistance if
necessary. Thank you.
[Lisa's note: Mr. and Mrs. Schindler wish to have Bobby Schindler,
Jr. appointed as Terri's permanent guardian in place of Michael
Schiavo.]


written by Gordon Watts

http://libertytothecaptives.net/michael_schiavo_remove_criminal_invest
igation.html



The extensive evidence including the bone scan done on Terri one year
after her so called "collapse" shows that Terri was a victim of
TRAUMA!

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_bone_scan.html

Also see the written transcript of bone scan at Jackie Patru's
website:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm

although they forgot to write that the top portion also said "CLOSED
HEAD INJURY" on the fill-in-form portion at top of Bonescan (lower
left corner of form portion) above the Doctors notes.


The bonescan also shows that Terri had been a victim of trauma before
February 25, 1990!  Michael was the only person with Terri when
oxygen was cut off to her brain for anywhere from at least 5-8
minutes, maybe more, which caused brain damage.  Evidence points to
Michael strangling Terri and cutting off her oxygen supply in this
manner!  The evidence also shows that he beat her giving her numerous
broken bones (see the bonescan)!  Michael SEALED all of Terri's
medical records so the Schindlers did not know about the bone scan
until recently!  Meanwhile, the Judges and Police did NOTHING
regarding all of this evidence!  The Schindlers tried everything
including begging them to investigate all of this based on the bone
scan and other evidence!

Was Terri Schiavo Beaten in 1990?
Will There Be an Investigation in Time?
November 14th, 2003 5:30 PM

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0347/hentoff.php


Questions raised
about Terri's collapse
Celebrated forensic pathologist says 1990 injuries should be
investigated

Posted: October 26, 2003
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35276



Doctor Says Terri Schiavo Likely Victim of 'Some Kind of Trauma'
Jeff Johnson, CNSNews.com
Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/10/29/100629.shtml




Terri Schindler Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest/Heart Attack Lies

Dr. William Hammesfahr stated in a January 7, 2004 Highway2Health
interview with Ron Panzer that Terri did not have a cardiac arrest or
heart attack:

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri never had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also never even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [She had arrhythmias of
the heart, but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her.

  He stated that Terri had marked injury to her neck which still
exists today, and that he has only seen a similar injury, with spinal
cord involvement as well as brain injury, in one case where a patient
had been strangled. He stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her
spine, which he stated is common among persons being thrown against a
table, for example. Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance
Newsletter January 8, 2004 by Ron Panzer [bold emphasis added.]

(Quote source: Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr)



http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schindler_schiavo_cardiac_arrest
_lie.html


I will be posting much more evidence here in the next few days
regarding all of this.  There is already much evidence on this
website and much on http://www.libertytothecaptives as well.  I hope
you will all read it and take action!

Tell your friends and relatives and those you meet what is happening
with Terri and that they are attempting to murder her once again and
how illegal all of this is!  Euthanasia is ILLEGAL in Florida and in
all 50 states!  This is not euthanasia, though, as Terri never had
any wishes to die as Michael claims she did.  There is nothing in
writing from Terri stating she wanted to die if she ever became
incapacitated or had any tubes.  She only has a feeding tube because
Michael demanded she have one and it's also for the convenience of
the nurses, in many cases, not because the patient can't swallow food
and water!

Terri swallows 2 liters of her saliva daily and this is harder to
swallow than actual food!  Terri does not even NEED a feeding tube!

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_swallows_pictures_don't_lie.html


Terri is not a vegetable or a potted plant as George Felos referred
to her!  She is a cognitve, responsive, loving, vulnerable, disabled
human being who has been deprived of all of her rights for years and
years.

See:  Terri Schiavo: Cognitively Able
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_cognitively_able.html

THE ABOVE LINK INCLUDES PICTURES OF TERRI TAKEN FROM A VIDEO IN WHICH
SHE IS OPENING HER EYES AS WIDE AS SHE POSSIBLY CAN AS THE DOCTOR
ASKED HER ASKED HER TO DO, TO PROVE SHE IS NOT A VEGETABLE OR IN A
PERSISTENT VEGETATIVE STATE, AS THE CORRUPT COURTS HAVE ILLEGALLY
RULED SHE IS!

The following transcript was posted on Free Republic on  01/21/2004
7:08:56 PM PST by FL_engineer

From "Terri Big Eyes" video available at terrisfight.org

Terri starts out apparently asleep. A doctor wakes her to start his
tests.

Doctor: Terri. Open your eyes up...

Terri: (Startled at hearing her name. She starts moving her mouth and
fluttering her eyes, like a person who is just waking up)

Doctor: Open your eyes, Terri open your eyes

Terri: (slowly at first, Terri struggles to open her eyes, then turns
toward the doctor, and opens her eyes a normal amount)

Doctor: There you go, good.

Terri: (then, either to show off (?) or wanting to perform well, she
leans further forward toward the doctor, looks straight at him and
opens her eyes as WIDE AS SHE CAN. Note the WRINKLES ACROSS HER
FOREHEAD caused by her also RAISING HER EYEBROWS as high as possible )

Doctor: [now obviously impressed] GOOD!! GOOD JOB! GOOD JOB YOUNG
LADY! Good Job. (Thanks to Melissa S. for alerting me to the pictures
and commentary posted by FL engineer.)

Much more is at this link INCLUDING PICTURES TO PROVE TERRI IS
RESPONSIVE, AND NOT PVS OR UNCONSCIOUS OR IN A COMA AS THE MEDIA HAS
LIED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT OVER AND OVER:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_cognitively_able.html




If Terri was given therapy and medical treatment now for her
hydrocephalus (excess fluid in her brain caused by head trauma from
Michael Schiavo, her husband on Feb. 25, 1990) she could get much
better!  The neurologist who examined Terri recently stated (January
7, 2004) in a radio interview that Terri has hydrocephalus and needs
to be treated for this.  This is a very treatable condition and Terri
would be remarkedly better if she was allowed to get treatment which
she is entitled to have BY LAW!

SEE MY POST RE: TERRI HAS HYDROCEPHALUS
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/28

THEN READ THE INFO. BELOW ON TREATMENT FOR THIS CONDITION:

What Is Hydrocephalus?


Hydrocephalus comes from the Greek: "hydro" means water, "cephalus"
means head. Hydrocephalus is an abnormal accumulation of
cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) within cavities called ventricles inside
the brain. CSF is produced in the ventricles, circulates through the
ventricular system and is absorbed into the bloodstream. CSF is in
constant circulation and has many important functions. It surrounds
the brain and spinal cord and acts as a protective cushion against
injury. CSF contains nutrients and proteins necessary for the
nourishment and normal function of the brain. It also carries waste
products away from surrounding tissues. Hydrocephalus occurs when
there is an imbalance between the amount of CSF that is produced and
the rate at which it is absorbed. As the CSF builds up, it causes the
ventricles to enlarge and the pressure inside the head to increase.

Hydrocephalus that is congenital (present at birth) is thought to be
caused by a complex interaction of environmental and perhaps genetic
factors. Aqueductal stenosis and spina bifida are two examples.
Acquired hydrocephalus may result from intraventricular hemorrhage,
meningitis,

head trauma,

(Like the HEAD TRAUMA from Michael Schiavo, her "husband"
on 2-25-90!  See http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg
"CLOSED HEAD INJURY" is noted on the bone scan
done on Terri on 3-5-91!  Melissa)


tumors and cysts. Hydrocephalus is believed to occur in about 2 out
of 1,000 births. The incidences of adult-onset hydrocephalus and
acquired hydrocephalus are not known.

How Is Hydrocephalus Treated?

There is no known way to prevent or cure hydrocephalus. The most
effective treatment is surgical insertion of a shunt. Learn more
about shunts. Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is growing in
popularity as an alternative treatment method for hydrocephalus.
Learn more about third ventriculostomy.

http://hydroassoc.org/information/information.htm


About Shunts


The most common method of treatment of hydrocephalus is surgical
placement of a shunt.

A shunt is a flexible tube placed into the ventricular system that
diverts the flow of CSF into another region of the body where it can
be absorbed, such as the peritoneal (abdominal) cavity or the right
atrium of the heart. The shunt tube is about 1/8 inch in diameter and
is made of a soft and pliable plastic that is well tolerated by our
body tissues. Shunt systems come in a variety of models but have
similar functional components. Catheters (tubing) and a flow-control
mechanism (one-way valve) are components common to all shunts. The
valve in the shunt maintains the CSF at normal pressure within the
ventricles.

The surgical placement of a shunt, which is performed by a
neurosurgeon, is a relatively short and uncomplicated procedure. The
patient is brought to the operating room and is placed under general
anesthesia. To insure cleanliness, a small region of the scalp may be
clipped or shaved, and, for a ventriculoperitoneal shunt, the entire
area from the scalp to the abdomen is scrubbed with an antiseptic
solution. Sterile drapes are placed over the patient. Incisions are
made in the head and abdominal areas. The shunt tube is passed
beneath the skin, in the fatty tissue that lies just below the skin.
A small hole is made in the skull, and the membranes between the
skull and brain are opened. The ventricular end of the shunt is
gently passed through the brain into the lateral ventricle. The
abdominal (peritoneal) end is passed into the abdominal cavity
through a small opening in the lining (peritoneum) of the abdomen.
This is where the CSF will ultimately be absorbed. The incisions are
then closed. When the procedure is completed, sterile bandages may be
applied to the incisions and the patient is taken to the recovery
room where the anesthesia is allowed to wear off.

For information about endoscopic third ventriculostomy, click here.

To request more information about hydrocephalus and shunts, contact
us by web or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

Learn more about specific types of shunts by visiting the websites of
the major shunt manufacturers.

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/shunt.html


About Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy


Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is a relatively new surgical
procedure for the treatment of hydrocephalus. The surgery involves
making a hole in the floor of the third ventricle to allow free flow
of spinal fluid into the basal cisterns for absorption. This concept
is an old one, and other procedures utilizing this type of approach
have been tried for many years. The improvement in endoscopic
equipment combined with the ability of MRI to visualize actual brain
anatomy prior to the procedure have led to a new enthusiasm for ETV.

ETV is appropriate for treating obstructive (noncommunicating)
hydrocephalus. It is controversial as to whether it is effective in
treating non-obstructive (communicating) hydrocephalus, although some
neurosurgeons have used it successfully in these cases. In order to
perform the procedure, the ventricles must be large enough to see the
appropriate brain structures. In cases of so-called slit ventricle
syndrome, or when the child is already shunted, it may be necessary
to disable the shunt temporarily in order to increase the size of
ventricles for the surgery.

Many neurosurgeons do not perform ETV on children below the age of
two years because the failure rate is higher than for older children.
Five-year patency rates of ETV are in the 50-80 percent rage,
depending on the anatomy of the child and the cause of hydrocephalus.
The initial complication rate of ETV is higher than that for shunt
placement, but, if successful, the procedure eliminates the need for
a shunt as well as the associated risks of shunt malfunction. Even
when ETV is initially successful, it is still very important for the
child to have periodic neurosurgical evaluations.

Read an article about ETV from our newsletter.

For more information about ETV and hydrocephalus, contact us by web

(Note:  e-mail them at hydroassoc.org
Melissa Roxanne Stanley)

or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/etv.html


About Our Newsletter


Our 12-page newsletter is published quarterly. All dues-paying
members receive a free subscription to the newsletter.

The following articles from past issues of the newsletter are
available online:

Accommodations and Modifications "Accommodations and modifications
are types of adaptations made to the learning environment and
curriculum, as well as teaching methods and testing procedures. These
adaptations are needed by students with learning differences to
enable them to progress with the general curriculum and participate
actively in the classroom and in school-wide activities." [Fall 2002]

Adult-Onset Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus: An Update. "We report here
on two medical centers that have developed a specialty in the
diagnosis and treatment of adult onset normal pressure
hydrocephalus." [Fall 1999]

Creating a Circle of Friends. "The lives of people with disabilities
are often consumed by their medical and practical needs. Friendships
are viewed almost as a luxury, and there is often the sense that
friendships between people with and without disabilities are rare.
Circle of Friends aims to change this." [Fall 2000]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: A Promising Procedure. "Although in
the best-case scenario third ventriculostomy can produce the desired
much-result of treating hydrocephalus without a shunt, doctors
caution that this procedure is not for everyone." [Winter 1996]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: An Update on Recent Research. "The
growing interest in ETV continues and we report here on two recent
studies published in Pediatric Neurosurgery. While both studies
report positive outcomes for the most part, the authors, as well as
most other neurosurgeons performing ETV, are still practicing caution
in its application." [Fall 1998]

FollowMe: Web-Based Software for Medical Record Management"FollowMe
is a Web site designed to empower people by keeping important medical
information stored in one location, on the Internet, so it can
literally "follow them" wherever their travels take them throughout
their lives." [Summer 2001]
Get the Most Out of Your Health Insurance
"Special Needs Advocate for Parents (SNAP) understands how hard it is
to fight for medical benefits and has set out to help individuals
gain the skills and confidence to get the most out of their medical
insurance plan to obtain the care necessary for their special
needs."  [Fall 2003]

Hospitalization Tips. "A hospitalization can be difficult for any
child, young adult or adult. It can also be trying for the parents
and the family that must watch their loved ones go through such an
experience." [Fall 1996]

Hydrocephalus and Epileptic Seizures. A 1999 study investigates
whether there is a correlation between hydrocephalus and seizures.
[Spring 2001]

Know Your Insurance Rights."Being aware of your rights is an
important step toward ensuring your ability to obtain and maintain
the coverage you need. This article provides an overview of health
insurance legislation that may be helpful in a variety of
situations." [Spring 2002]

Leading Your Own IEP. "At first, the thought of leading my own IEP
was intimidating. Didn't one have to have a teaching credential
to
lead an IEP? I soon learned that the answer was no." [Fall 2001]

Managing Anxiety in the Emergency Room "Nature has a way of
compressing maximal amounts of anxiety into ER visits. It is possible
to unstress yourself somewhat by thinking about the visit in advance
and having knowledge about how questions of shunt malfunction can be
approached. " [Summer 2002]

Second Thoughts and Second Opinions. "In the cateogry of touchy
subjects, this probably ranks up near number one-the more so since
the professions reading this are members of the choir and not the
congregation. The recent experiences of several families, however,
point out the critical role that second opinions can play in
determining treatment." [Spring 1998]

Shunt Technology: Challenges and Emerging Directions. A copy of the
presentation made by the Hydrocephalus Association at the 1999 Shunt
Technology Conference sponsored by the FDA. Based on a survey of 414
members of the Association. [Spring 1999]

Siblings Are People, Too! "Siblings [of children with hydrocephalus]
need the chance to talk about themselves as individuals, not only in
relation their sibling." [Winter 1996/97]

Slit Ventricle Syndrome Update
"Slit Ventricle Syndrome (SVS) is a phenomenon in children. Adults do
not have slit ventricle syndrome unless it started in childhood.
Symptoms can include headache, varying degrees of lethargy, with or
without nausea, and vomiting." [Spring 2004]

"This article discusses the therapeutic options to managing SVS."

Taking Hydrocephalus to Work. "How hydrocephalus affects you at work
depends greatly on how your brain and body have reacted to shunt-
related operations. As an adult with hydrocephalus who's been through
a few revisions, I know that there are many factors, such as stress
and pressure, that contribute to how well I function throughout my
workday." [Spring 1999]

Talking Hydrocephalus. How—and when—do we talk about having
hydrocephalus? There's a fine line between educating others and
violating our own (or our children's) privacy. [Fall 2001]

Third Ventriculostomy for Failed Shunts
"Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy (ETV) is an alternative to shunting
that may allow patients with hydrocephalus to avoid shunt
implantation or allow a patient with a nonfunctioning shunt to have
it removed. It is important for patients to understand the risks and
benefits of this procedure." [Winter 2004]

Live (Almost) From Public TV. The Hydrocephalus Association was
profiled by a groundbreaking PBS series called The Visionaries. Find
out more about this inspiring, educational show and when it will be
airing in your hometown. [Fall 2003]

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/newsletter.htm




Dr. William Hammesfahr, a Neurologist in Clearwater, Florida where
Terri lives, and who testified in court on behalf of her parents,
examined her and offered to treat Terri free of charge.  He has
wonderful treatment which could help her as well.  He and a dozen
other doctors have stated that Terri is not in a PVS (Persistent
Vegetative State) and is responsive and can get better with
treatment.

See Dr. Hammesfahr's report here:

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html


http://www.euthanasia.com/veg.html

Studies have shown that PVS is misdiagnosed 43% (almost half) of the
time!  (See link above)!


Kate Adamson was aware and feeling pain when doctors thought she
wasn't conscious and couldn't feel any pain.  She is now a
motivational speaker due to her husband, an attorney, believed she
was communicating with him by blinking her eyes, and he saved her
life!

O'REILLY: All right.  How did you come out of this now?  How did the
doctors know to put the tube back in?

ADAMSON:  Well, first of all, having Steven as a strong advocate and
not only being an attorney but yelling and screaming and insisting,
insisting, that they do that.

O'REILLY:  All right, but -- so your husband, an attorney, Steven,
insisted, and you...

ADAMSON:  Right.

O'REILLY:  What did you get, a court order, Counselor, to get the
tube back into your wife's system.

STEVEN KLUGMAN, HUSBAND OF STROKE VICTIM:  I threatened to sue the
whole world, and I told them that their best course was to try to
save her, and maybe they wouldn't get sued...



Note:  Kate Adamson was in what's called a "Locked In State" meaning
she could not move except occasionally she could blink her eyelids
only.  Terri is not paralyzed or in a locked in state.  She smiles,
cries, laughs, tries to talk, responds to commands, and more.
Whether in a locked in state as Kate was or able to respond as Terri
is, neither should have almost died due to starvation or
dehydration.  Kate did receive either some food or some fluid, per
Jackie Patru of http://www.sweetliberty who interviewed her and told
me this.  Melissa

Here is a transcript of Kate Adamson and her husband on FoxNews'
O'Reilly Factor:

The O'Reilly Factor, November 5, 2003.

BILL O'REILLY, HOST:  In the Back of the Book segment tonight, the
parents of Terri Schiavo (search) are hoping for a miracle.  Their
daughter has been in a vegetative state for 13 years, as you know.
Ms. Schiavo's husband wants her to die, and so do many in the State
of Florida.

But listen to this.  In 1995, Kate Adamson was in a similar
position.  She was in a vegetative state after suffering a stroke.

For almost 70 days, she was totally unresponsive.  Doctors finally
pulled her feeding tube.  And, for eight days, she was dying.

Then Ms. Adamson began responding on her own.  Doctors quickly put
the feeding tube back in, and she recovered.

Joining us now from Los Angeles is Kate Adamson and her husband,
Steven Klugman.  Ms. Adamson has written a book called Kate's
Journey: Triumph Over Adversity (search).

So, in the Schiavo case, Ms. Adamson, you must have very strong
feelings about that.

KATE ADAMSON, AUTHOR, KATE'S JOURNEY: TRIUMPH OVER ADVERSITY:  Yes, I
do.  I have a huge prospective on what Terri is going through.

O'REILLY:  And what would that be?

ADAMSON:  Well, especially after having gone through this myself and
the doctors assuming that I was in a vegetative state, when, in fact,
I was totally aware of what was going on around me.

O'REILLY:  Could you hear -- could you hear people and see them and
all?

ADAMSON:  I could see and hear everything going on around me, and I
had no way...

O'REILLY:  Really?

ADAMSON:  ... of communicating with anyone.

O'REILLY:  So you were like paralyzed in every way, but you could
hear...

ADAMSON:  Completely paralyzed.

O'REILLY:  You could hear the words, you knew your husband was in the
room when he was there and all of that?

ADAMSON:  Exactly.  I knew what I wanted to say.  I had -- I was
completely paralyzed.  I had no way of communicating at all.

O'REILLY:  This is amazing.  It's like an Edgar Allen Poe (search)
story.  So when they took...

ADAMSON:  It's like a nightmare.

O'REILLY:  When they took the feeding tube out, what went through
your mind?

ADAMSON:  When the feeding tube was turned off for eight days, I was -
- thought I was going insane.  I was screaming out don't you know I
need to eat.  And even up until that point, I had been having a
bagful of Ensure as my nourishment that was going through the feeding
tube.  At that point, it sounded pretty good.  I just wanted
something.  The fact that I had nothing, the hunger pains overrode
every thought I had.

O'REILLY:  So you were feeling pain when they removed your tube?

ADAMSON:  Yes.  Oh, absolutely.  Absolutely.  To say that --
especially when Michael [Schiavo] on national TV had mentioned last
week that it's a pretty painless thing to have the feeding tube
removed.  It is the exact opposite.  It was sheer torture, Bill.

O'REILLY:  It's just amazing.

ADAMSON:  Sheer torture.  And they're having it ripped out.

O'REILLY: All right.  How did you come out of this now?  How did the
doctors know to put the tube back in?

ADAMSON:  Well, first of all, having Steven as a strong advocate and
not only being an attorney but yelling and screaming and insisting,
insisting, that they do that.

O'REILLY:  All right, but -- so your husband, an attorney, Steven,
insisted, and you...

ADAMSON:  Right.

O'REILLY:  What did you get, a court order, Counselor, to get the
tube back into your wife's system.

STEVEN KLUGMAN, HUSBAND OF STROKE VICTIM:  I threatened to sue the
whole world, and I told them that their best course was to try to
save her, and maybe they wouldn't get sued...

O'REILLY:  OK.  So they finally...

KLUGMAN:  ... and they finally decided that was...

O'REILLY:  ... listened to you after eight days.  They put the tube
back.  And then how long did it take for you to come out of the
vegetative state?

ADAMSON:  Well, it was a matter of time, and, of course, when you're
in that position, I had no conception of time at all.  I wasn't able
to start eating food again.  I had to start on pureed foods and still
have the feeding tube turned on because of my weight loss.

KLUGMAN:  There was a good week to two weeks where she was aware, she
was communicating, and I couldn't get anyone to believe me.  Just
like the...

O'REILLY:  How did you know?

KLUGMAN:  ... the family.

O'REILLY: How did you know?

KLUGMAN:  But I would -- I'd ask her to blink once if she could
understand me and she would.

O'REILLY:  Well, I mean that's pretty obvious.  A doctor comes in,
and you do the demonstration.

KLUGMAN:  The doctor -- well, she would be so weak after blinking
once or twice, she couldn't do it again for an hour or more.

O'REILLY:  I see.

KLUGMAN:  These people are so weak.

ADAMSON:  You know, Bill, I had to blink every -- that's how I
communicated, was blinking.

O'REILLY:  Yes, but how long did it take you once they reinserted the
feeding tube into you, Kate, for you then to convince the doctors
that you were aware?

ADAMSON:  Well, I couldn't convince the doctors myself.  I couldn't
speak.  I had no ability.  So Steven had to be my advocate.

O'REILLY:  OK.  But how long did it take?

Mr. Klugman, how long did it take?

KLUGMAN:  Two to three weeks.

O'REILLY:  OK.  So two to three weeks, she came back on the feeding,
and then she came out of the vegetative state?

KLUGMAN:  She was never in the vegetative state.  That was just...

O'REILLY:  OK, OK, but she came...

KLUGMAN:  ... their description.

O'REILLY:  When did she get cognizant that everybody knew she was
functioning?

KLUGMAN:  She was -- she was probably always cognizant.  She was, in
fact, operated on at one point, and they treated her as though she
was a vegetable, didn't give her enough anesthetic, and she felt the
entire operation.

O'REILLY:  Wow.

All right.  I'm going to try one more time.  When did you come out of
it so that you could speak and all of that?  How long did it take?

ADAMSON:  Well, it wasn't until I was in acute rehab for the three
months and during that whole process.

O'REILLY:  Three months.  All right.

ADAMSON:  So, in fact, I was on a week to week basis with -- in terms
of how I was recovering whether the insurance company would still
keep me in there.

O'REILLY:  Well, it's an amazing, amazing story, and nobody could say
whether the Schiavo case would be that way, but, you know, to hear
this makes everybody think.

KLUGMAN:  It's possible.

O'REILLY:  Thank you very much, both of you, for coming on The
Factor.  We appreciate it.

ADAMSON:  Thank you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102388,00.html




Look on this website for statues (state laws) being broken and which
have been broken in this case.  Quote these to Governor Bush's office
and in e-mails, faxes, phone calls to officials and media!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/1

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/7

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/17

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/18

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/19

SEE STATUTES AT ABOVE LINKS!


Florida Statues Prohibit Deliberate Acts to End Life


765.309 Florida Statute: Mercy Killing of Euthanasia Not Authorized;
Suicide Distinguished. -- (1) Nothing in this chapter shall be
construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or
euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act of
omission to end the life other than to permit the natural process of
dying. (2) The withholding or withdrawal of life-prolonging
procedures from a patient in accordance with any provision of this
chapter does not, for any purpose, constitute a suicide.

458.326 Florida Statute: Intractable Pain; Authorized Treatment. --
(4) Nothing in this section shall be construed to condone, authorize,
or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, and no treatment authorized
by this section may be used for such purpose.

782.08 Florida Statute: Assisting Self-Murder. -- Every person
deliberately assisting another in the commission of self-murder shall
be guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable
as provided in s.775.082, s. 775.083 or s.775.084.

Florida's prohibitions against assisted suicide protects not only the
terminally ill, but also the disabled, the elderly, the chronically
ill, the severely handicapped.

Withholding food and water by mouth is a deliberate act to end life
and is prohibited in the Florida statutes! "Helping" Terri kill
herself is assisted suicide and is also prohibited in the Florida
statutes.

The above came from http://www.libertytothecaptives.net (see link
below)

http://libertytothecaptives.net/florida_statutes_terri_no_euthanasia.h
tml


See this site for info. regarding Euthanasia and more:

INFORMATION FOR RESEARCH ON EUTHANASIA, PHYSICIAN-ASSISTED SUICIDE,
LIVING WILLS, MERCY KILLING

We are committed to the fundamental belief that the intentional
killing of another person is wrong. We have deep sympathy for
those people who are suffering.

http://www.euthanasia.com/index.html



Terri has never had an attorney represent her in court, not ONCE!
This is highly illegal and that alone is enough to get a new trial!
I have never in my life heard of anyone that was not allowed to have
an attorney (except after the Patriot Acts passed) and I think that
the court just ruled that those designated as enemy combatants that
were denied attorneys have the right to have an attorney represent
them!

Keep coming to my website for much more info. I will be posting re:
Terri and this case and also be sure to visit
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net for lots more important
information.  Look for "What's New" at the above website.

Please pray for Terri and the Schindler family and please make those
phone calls, e-mails, and faxes!  Get the truth out about Terri.
Don't believe the lies all over the media.  Read the truth on this
website and at http://libertytothecaptives.net

What happened in Nazi Germany can happen again and I believe it is
already happening in America and all over the world.  Read my post
here about the first disabled baby who was killed in Germany which
led to other disabled children and adults being murdered and also
people who were falsely accused of being disabled.

Named: The Baby Boy Who Was Nazis' FIRST Euthanasia Victim

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/5

They practiced on all of these people and then moved on to other
groups of people until they had it all down pat.  Millions died in
the Holocaust and the same type of people who caused it to happen and
helped it happen are alive and well in America and elsewhere right
now.  The 4th Reich is alive and well.  If we don't stand up, this
could happen to any of us or all of us.  PLEASE STAND UP NOW AND
PREVENT ANOTHER HOLOCAUST!

Please research this case and Terri as I have and others have and
learn all you can.  Please don't believe the controlled media who has
lied for years about Terri and continues to do so.  Make the phone
calls, e-mails, and faxes to Governor Bush and others.  Tell others.
Pass on info. to them from this site. Your actions could save Terri's
life!  Your inaction could result in Terri's MURDER!

Thank you for your prayers and action to save Terri, and God Bless
all of you who do all you can to save an innocent woman who has been
through torture for years!


QUOTE FROM NEUROLOGIST DR. WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR:
HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely. She is not in a coma. She did not have a
heart attack. She is not in a coma presently. She absolutely can be
rehabilitated. There's no question about that.

Melissa Roxanne Stanley


Read the transcript again:
Foul Play In Terri Schiavo Case?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101458,00.html

October 27, 2003

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: A 1990 heart attack left Terri Schiavo
(search) with severe brain damage. Since then a legal battle has
raged over whether or not to keep her alive. On October 15 her
feeding tube was removed, according to her husband's wishes.

Last week, after intervention by the Florida legislature, Governor
Jeb Bush (search) ordered that her feeding tube be reinserted. Now
time is running out for Terri's husband to challenge the
constitutionality of the law that's been dubbed by many as Terri's
Law.

So what will happen next in this tragic case? Joining us now is
Terri's father, Robert Schindler. And also joining us, a neurosurgeon
who has examined Terri, Dr. William Hammesfahr.

All right. Thank you both for being with us.

How is she doing first of all, Mr. Schindler, after the tube now has
been reinserted?

ROBERT SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S FATHER: She's really made a
remarkable combat. She's very, very tired naturally, being without
food for seven days and hydration. But today, she was probably a
little more responsive than yesterday, and she was very agitated
today. She didn't want to bother with anybody or anything.

HANNITY: Yes. Doctor, you've examined her, and you've come to the
conclusion, No. 1, that can she can be rehabilitated. And when is the
last time you evaluated her and what else did you find?

DR. WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, NEUROLOGIST: I saw her last about a year ago
for the court. I want to just jump in here for a second. I'm a
neurologist and not a neurosurgeon.

HANNITY: I'm sorry.

HAMMESFAHR: I saw her last about a year ago and as part of the court
ordered evaluations.

HANNITY: Yes, but you basically said that she could be rehabilitated,
that she showed...

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely. She is not in a coma. She did not have a
heart attack. She is not in a coma presently. She absolutely can be
rehabilitated. There's no question about that.

HANNITY: You know, Mr. ...

HAMMESFAHR: In fact, she follows commands right now. She follows
commands right now.

HANNITY: Well, I can see that.

HAMMESFAHR: She's not in a coma.

HANNITY: I'm not a doctor, but when I see this video it's heart-
wrenching to me and the fact that this poor women went six days
without a feeding tube is frightening to me.

The last time we had you on, Mr. Schindler, you were very harsh in
your comments about the husband. And you believe his fear is, is that
if your daughter wakes up, she will have to -- a tale to tell about
him. Can you...

SCHINDLER: That comes from the evidence that there's medical evidence
that she had a neck injury. And as the doctor said, she had no heart
attack. And her ribs and parts of her body suffered fractures.

HANNITY: Yes.

SCHINDLER: And there's really no explanation for what her collapse
was. Not at all.

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Doctor Hammesfahr, I read the medical report.
There was a report that when she came into the E.R., she had a rigid
neck. Is that consistent with a neck injury?

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely, yes, it is. They also did X-rays at the
emergency room and the X-rays showed straightening of the normal
spinal curvature, which is very typical of a new neck injury.

COLMES: We heard a lot about low potassium, but this neck injury
stuff is very interesting. Would that kind of a situation be
consistent with the possibility of foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I'd like to go back to the potassium for a second,
because he talked about the potassium and about the diet pills issue
or some other drugs.

COLMES: Sure. Sure.

HAMMESFAHR: But the medical record clearly shows that there has never
been a heart attack. Potassium causes damage by causing heart
attacks, so we know the potassium is not an issue.

COLMES: But with the rigid neck, is that consistent with what could
be foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I have seen a neck that rigid from trauma to the neck.

COLMES: All right. So you wouldn't venture to say foul play but --
are you intimating that?

HAMMESFAHR: I think that that type of a neck that shows a degree of
injury, and I think that it needs to be looked at much more closely
to find out the exact cause.

Right now we have a woman who had a collapse with no known cause. No
evidence of infection, heart attack, respiratory failure or anything.
The only thing found in the emergency room is a damaged neck.

COLMES: Mr. Schindler, are you going to try to prove foul play at
some point and try to press some kind of a case here against your son-
in- law?

SCHINDLER: Well, what we're trying to do, there are two issues. One
is to get Terri therapy, because we believe she can recover.

And the second thing is we want to have an investigation. We're
asking the local police, the attorney, and no one will touch it.
There's a cap on it. Someone's blocking everything.

HANNITY: Mr. Schindler, we're going to continue to follow this story.
I'm very, very grateful to the Florida legislature and Jeb Bush. I
think they did the right thing, and we'll monitor this and have you
back on again.

SCHINDLER: So were we. Thank you very much.

HANNITY: Doctor, good to see you. Appreciate you being with us.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101458,00.html




REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST STARTED WITH ONE DISABLED CHILD!

Named: The Baby Boy Who Was Nazis' FIRST Euthanasia Victim

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/5


Also, remember what Terri's dad said recently:

TERRI'S DAD, BOB SCHINDLER ON TELEVISION
WITH DR. HAMMESFAHR OCT. 27, 2003:

SCHINDLER: Well, what we're trying to do, there are two issues. One
is to get Terri therapy, because we believe she can recover.

And the second thing is we want to have an investigation. We're
asking the local police, the attorney, and no one will touch it.
There's a cap on it. Someone's blocking everything.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132744,00.html

PLEASE CONTACT GOVERNOR BUSH AND OTHERS NOW!

Florida Governor Jeb Bush
phone: 850-488-7146
email: jeb.bush@... or jeb@...
fax: 850-487-0801 or 850-922-4292
Press Secretary - phone: 850-488-5394
Assistant Donovan Brown - phone: 850-410-0501

WARNING:  THESE ARE VERY GRAPHIC PHOTOS!


http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/autopsy/agree.html

More photos of Lisa here:

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/lisapics.htm

Where is Lisa McPherson's smile?

First impression of the autopsy photos
It is worthy of note that Lisa's relatives agreed to have her
pictures made public, because these pictures speak for themselves.
As I looked at the photos, I was horrified, because it was clearly
evident from them that the deceased had died under very poor general
conditions. Lisa's visage of death conveyed to me evident signs of
her struggle in passing; it looked to me as though she had not left
this world at peace with herself.

Lisa could not have had anything to drink for days, as evident from
the dehydration sores on her lips,mouth, eyes and nose. As it
appears, Lisa died from severe dehydration, because if she would have
received adequate liquid shortly before her death, whether orally or
by infusion, then there would not have been dehydration symptoms.

READ MORE HERE!
http://www.ilsehruby.at/LisaMcPhersonenglish.html


"dehydration sores on her lips,mouth, eyes and nose"

What's New At Liberty To The Captives

Melissa Roxanne Stanley will be on Sweet Liberty radio broadcast on
Thursday, Sept. 30, 2004 at 9:00 pm Eastern.  (Melissa and Liberty to
the Captives do not agree with Jackie Patru's comments about
visualization. Visualization is not a Christian practice.) 9/30/04

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
click on "what's new"



Compare the Dehydrated face of Lisa McPherson  and the Altered face
of Terri Schiavo. This doctored photo makes Terri appear to be
ALREADY dehydrated! (This altered photo reinforces Scientology's
already dead agenda enacted against Terri Schiavo. (Notice that both
women's eyes are sunken and their lips are shrunken and barely
visible. This is indicative of dehydration!)

http://www.lisamcpherson.org


What Happens During Dehydration?
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000982.htm


THE DEATH CULTS LIES ABOUT DEHYDRATION:
http://www.cpforlife.org/id82.htm

Terri has hydrocephalus according to Dr. hammesfahr, Neurologist in
Clearwater, FL who examined her, believes she can get better with
treatment, believes she is not in a PVS, Persistent Vegetative State

See:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

Longer Version with much more info:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

(Since above link is not clickable, go to
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
and look for "what's new" there you will see the above articles re:
Terri has Hydrocephalus plus at top of that article click on link
which leads to longer article of Hammesfahr's Interview on Highway 2
Health from Jan. 2004 re:  Terri has hydrocephalus and much more!)

Also see:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html
re:  Hammesfahr examined Terri and these are his notes!


Hydrocephalus Info. plus Types of Brain Injury
Note: Terri's Bone Scan Indicated Closed Head Injury

Look at top of Bone Scan at the fill-in-form - lower left hand corner
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

HYDROCEPHALUS CAN BE CAUSED BY HEAD TRAUMA/TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY!

Hydrocephalus Association's e-mail address is info@...

Tel:  (415) 732-7040

Toll Free: (888) 598 - 3789

Fax:  (415) 732 - 7044

Website:  http://www.hydroassoc.org

http://www.HydroAssoc.org


http://hydroassoc.org/information/information.htm


Terri has hydrocephalus according to Dr. hammesfahr, Neurologist in
Clearwater, FL who examined her, believes she can get better with
treatment, believes she is not in a PVS, Persistent Vegetative State

See:

Hydrocephalus Info. plus Types of Brain Injury
Note: Terri's Bone Scan Indicated Closed Head Injury

Look at top of Bone Scan at the fill-in-form - lower left hand corner
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

HYDROCEPHALUS CAN BE CAUSED BY HEAD TRAUMA/TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY!

INFO. ABOUT HYDROCEPHALUS-SEE PROOF BELOW!
What Is Hydrocephalus?


Hydrocephalus comes from the Greek: "hydro" means water, "cephalus"
means head. Hydrocephalus is an abnormal accumulation of
cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) within cavities called ventricles inside
the brain. CSF is produced in the ventricles, circulates through the
ventricular system and is absorbed into the bloodstream. CSF is in
constant circulation and has many important functions. It surrounds
the brain and spinal cord and acts as a protective cushion against
injury. CSF contains nutrients and proteins necessary for the
nourishment and normal function of the brain. It also carries waste
products away from surrounding tissues. Hydrocephalus occurs when
there is an imbalance between the amount of CSF that is produced and
the rate at which it is absorbed. As the CSF builds up, it causes the
ventricles to enlarge and the pressure inside the head to increase.

Hydrocephalus that is congenital (present at birth) is thought to be
caused by a complex interaction of environmental and perhaps genetic
factors. Aqueductal stenosis and spina bifida are two examples.
Acquired hydrocephalus may result from intraventricular hemorrhage,
meningitis, ***head trauma*** (asterisks added by Melissa), tumors
and cysts. Hydrocephalus is believed to occur in about 2 out of 1,000
births. The incidences of adult-onset hydrocephalus and acquired
hydrocephalus are not known.

How Is Hydrocephalus Treated?

There is no known way to prevent or cure hydrocephalus. The most
effective treatment is surgical insertion of a shunt.
Learn more about shunts.


About Shunts


The most common method of treatment of hydrocephalus is surgical
placement of a shunt.

A shunt is a flexible tube placed into the ventricular system that
diverts the flow of CSF into another region of the body where it can
be absorbed, such as the peritoneal (abdominal) cavity or the right
atrium of the heart. The shunt tube is about 1/8 inch in diameter and
is made of a soft and pliable plastic that is well tolerated by our
body tissues. Shunt systems come in a variety of models but have
similar functional components. Catheters (tubing) and a flow-control
mechanism (one-way valve) are components common to all shunts. The
valve in the shunt maintains the CSF at normal pressure within the
ventricles.

The surgical placement of a shunt, which is performed by a
neurosurgeon, is a relatively short and uncomplicated procedure. The
patient is brought to the operating room and is placed under general
anesthesia. To insure cleanliness, a small region of the scalp may be
clipped or shaved, and, for a ventriculoperitoneal shunt, the entire
area from the scalp to the abdomen is scrubbed with an antiseptic
solution. Sterile drapes are placed over the patient. Incisions are
made in the head and abdominal areas. The shunt tube is passed
beneath the skin, in the fatty tissue that lies just below the skin.
A small hole is made in the skull, and the membranes between the
skull and brain are opened. The ventricular end of the shunt is
gently passed through the brain into the lateral ventricle. The
abdominal (peritoneal) end is passed into the abdominal cavity
through a small opening in the lining (peritoneum) of the abdomen.
This is where the CSF will ultimately be absorbed. The incisions are
then closed. When the procedure is completed, sterile bandages may be
applied to the incisions and the patient is taken to the recovery
room where the anesthesia is allowed to wear off.

For information about endoscopic third ventriculostomy, click here.

To request more information about hydrocephalus and shunts, contact
us by web or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

Learn more about specific types of shunts by visiting the websites of
the major shunt manufacturers.
http://hydroassoc.org/links/links.htm#shunt
(manufacturers at above link)

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/shunt.html



Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is growing in popularity as an
alternative treatment method for hydrocephalus. Learn more about
third ventriculostomy.

About Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy


Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is a relatively new surgical
procedure for the treatment of hydrocephalus. The surgery involves
making a hole in the floor of the third ventricle to allow free flow
of spinal fluid into the basal cisterns for absorption. This concept
is an old one, and other procedures utilizing this type of approach
have been tried for many years. The improvement in endoscopic
equipment combined with the ability of MRI to visualize actual brain
anatomy prior to the procedure have led to a new enthusiasm for ETV.

ETV is appropriate for treating obstructive (noncommunicating)
hydrocephalus. It is controversial as to whether it is effective in
treating non-obstructive (communicating) hydrocephalus, although some
neurosurgeons have used it successfully in these cases. In order to
perform the procedure, the ventricles must be large enough to see the
appropriate brain structures. In cases of so-called slit ventricle
syndrome, or when the child is already shunted, it may be necessary
to disable the shunt temporarily in order to increase the size of
ventricles for the surgery.

Many neurosurgeons do not perform ETV on children below the age of
two years because the failure rate is higher than for older children.
Five-year patency rates of ETV are in the 50-80 percent rage,
depending on the anatomy of the child and the cause of hydrocephalus.
The initial complication rate of ETV is higher than that for shunt
placement, but, if successful, the procedure eliminates the need for
a shunt as well as the associated risks of shunt malfunction. Even
when ETV is initially successful, it is still very important for the
child to have periodic neurosurgical evaluations.

Read an article about ETV from our newsletter.

For more information about ETV and hydrocephalus, contact us by web
or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.


http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/etv.html

About Our Newsletter


Our 12-page newsletter is published quarterly. All dues-paying
members receive a free subscription to the newsletter.

The following articles from past issues of the newsletter are
available online:

Accommodations and Modifications "Accommodations and modifications
are types of adaptations made to the learning environment and
curriculum, as well as teaching methods and testing procedures. These
adaptations are needed by students with learning differences to
enable them to progress with the general curriculum and participate
actively in the classroom and in school-wide activities." [Fall 2002]

Adult-Onset Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus: An Update. "We report here
on two medical centers that have developed a specialty in the
diagnosis and treatment of adult onset normal pressure
hydrocephalus." [Fall 1999]

Creating a Circle of Friends. "The lives of people with disabilities
are often consumed by their medical and practical needs. Friendships
are viewed almost as a luxury, and there is often the sense that
friendships between people with and without disabilities are rare.
Circle of Friends aims to change this." [Fall 2000]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: A Promising Procedure. "Although in
the best-case scenario third ventriculostomy can produce the desired
much-result of treating hydrocephalus without a shunt, doctors
caution that this procedure is not for everyone." [Winter 1996]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: An Update on Recent Research. "The
growing interest in ETV continues and we report here on two recent
studies published in Pediatric Neurosurgery. While both studies
report positive outcomes for the most part, the authors, as well as
most other neurosurgeons performing ETV, are still practicing caution
in its application." [Fall 1998]

FollowMe: Web-Based Software for Medical Record Management"FollowMe
is a Web site designed to empower people by keeping important medical
information stored in one location, on the Internet, so it can
literally "follow them" wherever their travels take them throughout
their lives." [Summer 2001]
Get the Most Out of Your Health Insurance
"Special Needs Advocate for Parents (SNAP) understands how hard it is
to fight for medical benefits and has set out to help individuals
gain the skills and confidence to get the most out of their medical
insurance plan to obtain the care necessary for their special
needs."  [Fall 2003]

Hospitalization Tips. "A hospitalization can be difficult for any
child, young adult or adult. It can also be trying for the parents
and the family that must watch their loved ones go through such an
experience." [Fall 1996]

Hydrocephalus and Epileptic Seizures. A 1999 study investigates
whether there is a correlation between hydrocephalus and seizures.
[Spring 2001]

Know Your Insurance Rights."Being aware of your rights is an
important step toward ensuring your ability to obtain and maintain
the coverage you need. This article provides an overview of health
insurance legislation that may be helpful in a variety of
situations." [Spring 2002]

Leading Your Own IEP. "At first, the thought of leading my own IEP
was intimidating. Didn't one have to have a teaching credential to
lead an IEP? I soon learned that the answer was no." [Fall 2001]

Managing Anxiety in the Emergency Room "Nature has a way of
compressing maximal amounts of anxiety into ER visits. It is possible
to unstress yourself somewhat by thinking about the visit in advance
and having knowledge about how questions of shunt malfunction can be
approached. " [Summer 2002]

Second Thoughts and Second Opinions. "In the cateogry of touchy
subjects, this probably ranks up near number one-the more so since
the professions reading this are members of the choir and not the
congregation. The recent experiences of several families, however,
point out the critical role that second opinions can play in
determining treatment." [Spring 1998]

Shunt Technology: Challenges and Emerging Directions. A copy of the
presentation made by the Hydrocephalus Association at the 1999 Shunt
Technology Conference sponsored by the FDA. Based on a survey of 414
members of the Association. [Spring 1999]

Siblings Are People, Too! "Siblings [of children with hydrocephalus]
need the chance to talk about themselves as individuals, not only in
relation their sibling." [Winter 1996/97]

Slit Ventricle Syndrome Update
"Slit Ventricle Syndrome (SVS) is a phenomenon in children. Adults do
not have slit ventricle syndrome unless it started in childhood.
Symptoms can include headache, varying degrees of lethargy, with or
without nausea, and vomiting." [Spring 2004]

"This article discusses the therapeutic options to managing SVS."

Taking Hydrocephalus to Work. "How hydrocephalus affects you at work
depends greatly on how your brain and body have reacted to shunt-
related operations. As an adult with hydrocephalus who's been through
a few revisions, I know that there are many factors, such as stress
and pressure, that contribute to how well I function throughout my
workday." [Spring 1999]

Talking Hydrocephalus. How—and when—do we talk about having
hydrocephalus? There's a fine line between educating others and
violating our own (or our children's) privacy. [Fall 2001]

Third Ventriculostomy for Failed Shunts
"Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy (ETV) is an alternative to shunting
that may allow patients with hydrocephalus to avoid shunt
implantation or allow a patient with a nonfunctioning shunt to have
it removed. It is important for patients to understand the risks and
benefits of this procedure." [Winter 2004]

Live (Almost) From Public TV. The Hydrocephalus Association was
profiled by a groundbreaking PBS series called The Visionaries. Find
out more about this inspiring, educational show and when it will be
airing in your hometown. [Fall 2003]

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/newsletter.htm




The Hydrocephalus Association

The Hydrocephalus Association was founded in 1983, incorporated as a
nonprofit 501(c)(3) in 1986, is governed by a Board of Directors, and
employs an Executive Director, Assistant Director, Outreach Director,
and Director of NPH and Older Adult Services. Twenty prominent
medical professionals actively serve on our Medical Advisory Board.

Our mission is to provide support, education and advocacy for
individuals, families and professionals.

Our goal is to ensure that families and individuals dealing with the
complex issues of hydrocephalus receive:


Personal support
Comprehensive educational materials
Ongoing quality health care

We provide a wealth of services and resources to our members and non-
members alike.

We hope you'll explore all the information our website has to offer.

To receive a free packet of information about hydrocephalus, click
here.

For personal, one-to-one support, call our office directly: 415-732-
7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

Our mailing address is: 870 Market Street, Suite 705, San Francisco,
CA 94102.

http://hydroassoc.org

Terri has hydrocephalus according to Dr. hammesfahr, Neurologist in
Clearwater, FL who examined her, believes she can get better with
treatment, believes she is not in a PVS, Persistent Vegetative State

See:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

Longer Version with much more info:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

(Since above link is not clickable, go to
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
and look for "what's new" there you will see the above articles re:
Terri has Hydrocephalus plus at top of that article click on link
which leads to longer article of Hammesfahr's Interview on Highway 2
Health from Jan. 2004 re:  Terri has hydrocephalus and much more!)

Also see:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html
re:  Hammesfahr examined Terri and these are his notes!


Hydrocephalus Info. plus Types of Brain Injury
Note: Terri's Bone Scan Indicated Closed Head Injury

Look at top of Bone Scan at the fill-in-form - lower left hand corner
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

HYDROCEPHALUS CAN BE CAUSED BY HEAD TRAUMA/TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY!

Hydrocephalus Association's e-mail address is info@...

Tel:  (415) 732-7040

Toll Free: (888) 598 - 3789

Fax:  (415) 732 - 7044

Website:  http://www.hydroassoc.org

http://www.HydroAssoc.org


http://hydroassoc.org/information/information.htm


Terri has hydrocephalus according to Dr. hammesfahr, Neurologist in
Clearwater, FL who examined her, believes she can get better with
treatment, believes she is not in a PVS, Persistent Vegetative State

See:

Hydrocephalus Info. plus Types of Brain Injury
Note: Terri's Bone Scan Indicated Closed Head Injury

Look at top of Bone Scan at the fill-in-form - lower left hand corner
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

HYDROCEPHALUS CAN BE CAUSED BY HEAD TRAUMA/TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY!

INFO. ABOUT HYDROCEPHALUS-SEE PROOF BELOW!
What Is Hydrocephalus?


Hydrocephalus comes from the Greek: "hydro" means water, "cephalus"
means head. Hydrocephalus is an abnormal accumulation of
cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) within cavities called ventricles inside
the brain. CSF is produced in the ventricles, circulates through the
ventricular system and is absorbed into the bloodstream. CSF is in
constant circulation and has many important functions. It surrounds
the brain and spinal cord and acts as a protective cushion against
injury. CSF contains nutrients and proteins necessary for the
nourishment and normal function of the brain. It also carries waste
products away from surrounding tissues. Hydrocephalus occurs when
there is an imbalance between the amount of CSF that is produced and
the rate at which it is absorbed. As the CSF builds up, it causes the
ventricles to enlarge and the pressure inside the head to increase.

Hydrocephalus that is congenital (present at birth) is thought to be
caused by a complex interaction of environmental and perhaps genetic
factors. Aqueductal stenosis and spina bifida are two examples.
Acquired hydrocephalus may result from intraventricular hemorrhage,
meningitis, ***head trauma*** (asterisks added by Melissa), tumors
and cysts. Hydrocephalus is believed to occur in about 2 out of 1,000
births. The incidences of adult-onset hydrocephalus and acquired
hydrocephalus are not known.

How Is Hydrocephalus Treated?

There is no known way to prevent or cure hydrocephalus. The most
effective treatment is surgical insertion of a shunt.
Learn more about shunts.


About Shunts


The most common method of treatment of hydrocephalus is surgical
placement of a shunt.

A shunt is a flexible tube placed into the ventricular system that
diverts the flow of CSF into another region of the body where it can
be absorbed, such as the peritoneal (abdominal) cavity or the right
atrium of the heart. The shunt tube is about 1/8 inch in diameter and
is made of a soft and pliable plastic that is well tolerated by our
body tissues. Shunt systems come in a variety of models but have
similar functional components. Catheters (tubing) and a flow-control
mechanism (one-way valve) are components common to all shunts. The
valve in the shunt maintains the CSF at normal pressure within the
ventricles.

The surgical placement of a shunt, which is performed by a
neurosurgeon, is a relatively short and uncomplicated procedure. The
patient is brought to the operating room and is placed under general
anesthesia. To insure cleanliness, a small region of the scalp may be
clipped or shaved, and, for a ventriculoperitoneal shunt, the entire
area from the scalp to the abdomen is scrubbed with an antiseptic
solution. Sterile drapes are placed over the patient. Incisions are
made in the head and abdominal areas. The shunt tube is passed
beneath the skin, in the fatty tissue that lies just below the skin.
A small hole is made in the skull, and the membranes between the
skull and brain are opened. The ventricular end of the shunt is
gently passed through the brain into the lateral ventricle. The
abdominal (peritoneal) end is passed into the abdominal cavity
through a small opening in the lining (peritoneum) of the abdomen.
This is where the CSF will ultimately be absorbed. The incisions are
then closed. When the procedure is completed, sterile bandages may be
applied to the incisions and the patient is taken to the recovery
room where the anesthesia is allowed to wear off.

For information about endoscopic third ventriculostomy, click here.

To request more information about hydrocephalus and shunts, contact
us by web or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

Learn more about specific types of shunts by visiting the websites of
the major shunt manufacturers.
http://hydroassoc.org/links/links.htm#shunt
(manufacturers at above link)

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/shunt.html



Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is growing in popularity as an
alternative treatment method for hydrocephalus. Learn more about
third ventriculostomy.

About Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy


Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is a relatively new surgical
procedure for the treatment of hydrocephalus. The surgery involves
making a hole in the floor of the third ventricle to allow free flow
of spinal fluid into the basal cisterns for absorption. This concept
is an old one, and other procedures utilizing this type of approach
have been tried for many years. The improvement in endoscopic
equipment combined with the ability of MRI to visualize actual brain
anatomy prior to the procedure have led to a new enthusiasm for ETV.

ETV is appropriate for treating obstructive (noncommunicating)
hydrocephalus. It is controversial as to whether it is effective in
treating non-obstructive (communicating) hydrocephalus, although some
neurosurgeons have used it successfully in these cases. In order to
perform the procedure, the ventricles must be large enough to see the
appropriate brain structures. In cases of so-called slit ventricle
syndrome, or when the child is already shunted, it may be necessary
to disable the shunt temporarily in order to increase the size of
ventricles for the surgery.

Many neurosurgeons do not perform ETV on children below the age of
two years because the failure rate is higher than for older children.
Five-year patency rates of ETV are in the 50-80 percent rage,
depending on the anatomy of the child and the cause of hydrocephalus.
The initial complication rate of ETV is higher than that for shunt
placement, but, if successful, the procedure eliminates the need for
a shunt as well as the associated risks of shunt malfunction. Even
when ETV is initially successful, it is still very important for the
child to have periodic neurosurgical evaluations.

Read an article about ETV from our newsletter.

For more information about ETV and hydrocephalus, contact us by web
or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.


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About Our Newsletter


Our 12-page newsletter is published quarterly. All dues-paying
members receive a free subscription to the newsletter.

The following articles from past issues of the newsletter are
available online:

Accommodations and Modifications "Accommodations and modifications
are types of adaptations made to the learning environment and
curriculum, as well as teaching methods and testing procedures. These
adaptations are needed by students with learning differences to
enable them to progress with the general curriculum and participate
actively in the classroom and in school-wide activities." [Fall 2002]

Adult-Onset Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus: An Update. "We report here
on two medical centers that have developed a specialty in the
diagnosis and treatment of adult onset normal pressure
hydrocephalus." [Fall 1999]

Creating a Circle of Friends. "The lives of people with disabilities
are often consumed by their medical and practical needs. Friendships
are viewed almost as a luxury, and there is often the sense that
friendships between people with and without disabilities are rare.
Circle of Friends aims to change this." [Fall 2000]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: A Promising Procedure. "Although in
the best-case scenario third ventriculostomy can produce the desired
much-result of treating hydrocephalus without a shunt, doctors
caution that this procedure is not for everyone." [Winter 1996]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: An Update on Recent Research. "The
growing interest in ETV continues and we report here on two recent
studies published in Pediatric Neurosurgery. While both studies
report positive outcomes for the most part, the authors, as well as
most other neurosurgeons performing ETV, are still practicing caution
in its application." [Fall 1998]

FollowMe: Web-Based Software for Medical Record Management"FollowMe
is a Web site designed to empower people by keeping important medical
information stored in one location, on the Internet, so it can
literally "follow them" wherever their travels take them throughout
their lives." [Summer 2001]
Get the Most Out of Your Health Insurance
"Special Needs Advocate for Parents (SNAP) understands how hard it is
to fight for medical benefits and has set out to help individuals
gain the skills and confidence to get the most out of their medical
insurance plan to obtain the care necessary for their special
needs."  [Fall 2003]

Hospitalization Tips. "A hospitalization can be difficult for any
child, young adult or adult. It can also be trying for the parents
and the family that must watch their loved ones go through such an
experience." [Fall 1996]

Hydrocephalus and Epileptic Seizures. A 1999 study investigates
whether there is a correlation between hydrocephalus and seizures.
[Spring 2001]

Know Your Insurance Rights."Being aware of your rights is an
important step toward ensuring your ability to obtain and maintain
the coverage you need. This article provides an overview of health
insurance legislation that may be helpful in a variety of
situations." [Spring 2002]

Leading Your Own IEP. "At first, the thought of leading my own IEP
was intimidating. Didn't one have to have a teaching credential to
lead an IEP? I soon learned that the answer was no." [Fall 2001]

Managing Anxiety in the Emergency Room "Nature has a way of
compressing maximal amounts of anxiety into ER visits. It is possible
to unstress yourself somewhat by thinking about the visit in advance
and having knowledge about how questions of shunt malfunction can be
approached. " [Summer 2002]

Second Thoughts and Second Opinions. "In the cateogry of touchy
subjects, this probably ranks up near number one-the more so since
the professions reading this are members of the choir and not the
congregation. The recent experiences of several families, however,
point out the critical role that second opinions can play in
determining treatment." [Spring 1998]

Shunt Technology: Challenges and Emerging Directions. A copy of the
presentation made by the Hydrocephalus Association at the 1999 Shunt
Technology Conference sponsored by the FDA. Based on a survey of 414
members of the Association. [Spring 1999]

Siblings Are People, Too! "Siblings [of children with hydrocephalus]
need the chance to talk about themselves as individuals, not only in
relation their sibling." [Winter 1996/97]

Slit Ventricle Syndrome Update
"Slit Ventricle Syndrome (SVS) is a phenomenon in children. Adults do
not have slit ventricle syndrome unless it started in childhood.
Symptoms can include headache, varying degrees of lethargy, with or
without nausea, and vomiting." [Spring 2004]

"This article discusses the therapeutic options to managing SVS."

Taking Hydrocephalus to Work. "How hydrocephalus affects you at work
depends greatly on how your brain and body have reacted to shunt-
related operations. As an adult with hydrocephalus who's been through
a few revisions, I know that there are many factors, such as stress
and pressure, that contribute to how well I function throughout my
workday." [Spring 1999]

Talking Hydrocephalus. How—and when—do we talk about having
hydrocephalus? There's a fine line between educating others and
violating our own (or our children's) privacy. [Fall 2001]

Third Ventriculostomy for Failed Shunts
"Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy (ETV) is an alternative to shunting
that may allow patients with hydrocephalus to avoid shunt
implantation or allow a patient with a nonfunctioning shunt to have
it removed. It is important for patients to understand the risks and
benefits of this procedure." [Winter 2004]

Live (Almost) From Public TV. The Hydrocephalus Association was
profiled by a groundbreaking PBS series called The Visionaries. Find
out more about this inspiring, educational show and when it will be
airing in your hometown. [Fall 2003]

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The Hydrocephalus Association

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nonprofit 501(c)(3) in 1986, is governed by a Board of Directors, and
employs an Executive Director, Assistant Director, Outreach Director,
and Director of NPH and Older Adult Services. Twenty prominent
medical professionals actively serve on our Medical Advisory Board.

Our mission is to provide support, education and advocacy for
individuals, families and professionals.

Our goal is to ensure that families and individuals dealing with the
complex issues of hydrocephalus receive:


Personal support
Comprehensive educational materials
Ongoing quality health care

We provide a wealth of services and resources to our members and non-
members alike.

We hope you'll explore all the information our website has to offer.

To receive a free packet of information about hydrocephalus, click
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For personal, one-to-one support, call our office directly: 415-732-
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The following Re:  Types of Brain Injuries was copied from:
http://www.nbia.nf.ca/types_of_brain_injury.htm

Brain Injury:  Types of Brain Injury

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Difference Between a Head Injury and a Brain Injury

Injury to the head or face does not always cause injury to the
brain.  Unfortunately, some professionals in health care fields use
the term "head injury" loosely, to mean that an injury to the brain
has occurred along with a head or facial injury.  Most professional
now use the term "traumatic brain injury" to describe an injury to
the head that results in short-term or long-term problems with
thinking, emotions, or physical function because of damage to the
brain.

Acquired Brain Injury

DEGENERATIVE DISORDERS
Certain inherited disorders or disease can cause neurons of the brain
to begin to die or degenerate over time. Examples of such disorders
are ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE caused by a deficiency in the
neurotransmitter ACETYLCHOLINE, and PARKINSON'S DISEASE caused by a
deficiency in the neurotransmitter DOPAMINE.

STROKE
The brain has the most complex system of blood vessels in the body.
Weighing only about three pounds, it requires about twenty percent of
the blood flow to keep it alive. Only a few minutes without
sufficient blood flow can cause irreversible death of neurons. If the
blood flow is blocked through a stroke (also called CEREBRO-VASCULAR
ACCIDENT or CVA), cell death in the area deprived of blood will
result. If there is bleeding in or over the brain (HEMORRHAGE or
HEMATOMA) because of a tear in an artery or vein, loss of blood flow
and injury to the brain tissue by the blood will also result in brain
damage.

TUMORS
Tumors caused by cancer can also grow in or over the brain. These
tumors can cause brain injury by invading the spaces of the brain and
causing direct damage, such as with invasive or malignant tumors.
Brain injury can also result from pressure effects around an enlarged
tumor.

INFECTIONS
The brain and surrounding membranes are very prone to infections if
the special blood-brain protective system is breached. Viruses and
bacteria can cause serious and life-threatening diseases of the brain
(encephalitis) and meninges (meningitis) that are very difficult to
treat.

ANOXIA AND HYPOXIA
If the blood flow is depleted of oxygen, irreversible brain injury
from ANOXIA (no oxygen) or HYPOXIA (reduced oxygen) can result in
just a few minutes. Anoxia and hypoxia axe often caused by heart
attacks, respiratory failure, drops in blood pressure, and a low
oxygen environment. This type of brain injury can result in severe
cognitive and memory deficits.

METABOLIC DISORDERS
Brain damage due to metabolic disorders can result when harmful
chemicals damage the neurons. Such injury can be caused by being
exposed to toxins like insecticides and solvents.

TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY
TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY (TBI) occurs when a physical trauma to the
head occurs. This can happen by 1) the stationary head being struck
by a rapidly moving object (acceleration injury), 2) the head moving
fast and striking a stationary object (deceleration injury), or 3) by
rapid whiplash movements of the head. If struck with enough force,
brain damage can result due to the direct or indirect causes noted
below:

PRIMARY INJURY: ACCELERATION-DECELERATION MOVEMENT:  The skull is
pretty hard and inflexible. The brain is rather soft, like firm
jello. When the skull makes a rapid movement, it moves as a solid
object. The brain, encased inside the skull, moves at a different
rate than the skull because it is soft. Also, different parts of the
brain move at different speeds because of their relative lightness or
heaviness. The differential movement of the skull and brain when the
head is struck results in direct brain injury from three main causes:
AXONAL SHEARING, CONTUSION (BRUISING), and BRAIN SWELLING (CEREBRAL
EDEMA).

1) AXONAL SHEARING:  When the brain is slammed back and forth inside
the skull after a head trauma, it is alternatively compressed and
stretched because of its soft, jello-like structure. The long,
fragile axons of the neurons that make up the brain are also
compressed and stretched. If the impact is severe enough, axons can
be stretched until they are torn. This is called AXONAL SHEARING.
When this happens, the neuron dies. After a severe traumatic brain
injury, there is massive axonal shearing and neuron death. This is a
major cause of brain damage after a traumatic brain injury and cannot
be directly treated at this time.

2) BRAIN SWELLING (CEREBRAL EDEMA):  The brain also swells after a
severe trauma, just like any other pan of the body. This is a major
cause of brain damage after traumatic brain injury. Very severe
swelling can cause death by compressing the BRAIN STEM.  Brain
swelling can lead to neuron damage by squeezing the cells or from
ANOXIA caused by disrupting the flow of blood and oxygen to the brain.

3) CONTUSION:   The brain's violent slamming against the bones of the
skull can also result in contusions, bruising, and bleeding from the
impact. This results from tearing of small blood vessels. It can
result in the death of neurons. and is the second leading cause of
neuron death after a traumatic brain injury. Small contusions are
usually not treated (concussion) if blood flow is interrupted.

Coup-Contracoup:  After a traumatic brain injury, contusion can occur
anywhere in the brain. Often, most of the contusions will be on the
underside of the FRONTAL and TEMPORAL LOBES because of the irregular
and rough texture of the bones underlying these parts of the brain.
In addition, specific sites of bruising and contusion can occur at
the site of the blow to the head ("coup") and the site directly
opposite to where the blow was struck on the head ("contracoup").

Hematomas:  If the blood vessels damaged by the impact inside the
skull are large enough, they may bleed enough to create a pool of
blood or HEMATOMA. A HEMATOMA can cause brain injury by directly
damaging the neurons it comes in contact with or by squeezing neurons
through increased pressure in the brain due to its volume. The
treatment for a HEMATOMA is to surgically drain it, if possible.

SECONDARY INJURY: SEIZURES AND HYDROCEPHALUS:  In addition to primary
injury to the brain, traumatic brain injury can also result in two
main secondary problems that can cause additional brain injury or
complications: SEIZURE DISORDERS and HYDROCEPHALUS.

SEIZURE DISORDERS:  A secondary effect of traumatic brain injury can
be a SEIZURE DISORDER, caused by a specific injury that leads to a
disruption in the electrical activity of the brain. Seizure disorders
can occur immediately, soon, or much later after a traumatic brain
injury. Seizures are usually treated by anticonvulsant drugs.

HYDROCEPHALUS:  The flow of cerebral spinal fluid in the ventricles
of the brain can sometimes be blocked or disrupted after a traumatic
brain injury. When this happens, the fluid being constantly made in
the ventricles can accumulate in the brain, causing increased
pressure. This problem is called HYDROCEPHALUS and it can be a
serious secondary effect of a traumatic brain injury. HYDROCEPHALUS
can be treated by inserting a needle valve into the ventricles to
draw off the fluid down a tube into the abdominal cavity. This
procedure, called a VENTRICULO-PERITONEAL SHUNT, reduces the pressure
inside the brain.

Mild Brain Injury:  What To Expect

You have had a mild brain injury, or concussion. This is a common
injury, and most people recover fully. This is to tell you what to
expect as you recover.

FATIGUE:   Most people with a concussion experience some degree of
fatigue during their recovery. You may find that you need to sleep
more than usual, and that it is harder to do things at the end of the
day. It is a good idea to get the extra sleep you need. An afternoon
nap can be a help if you find you can't function well later in the
day.

RETURN TO WORK:   It is a good idea to return to your usual
activities as soon as you feel able, but bit by bit rather than all
at once. If at all possible, you should return to work part time,
such as four hours a day, before returning to full time. If you can
handle four hours without getting too fatigued or stressed, then try
five and gradually increase to full time. The same is true for other
activities. You should return to household chores, bill-paying,
exercise programs, social activities, hobbies, etc. soon, but at a
lower level of involvement. Gradually increase your involvement as
you are able to tolerate it. You will know that you are pushing
yourself too hard or too soon if you get fatigued and inefficient; if
you get headaches or your headaches get worse; or if you become
overly stressed, irritable, or emotional.

IRRITABILITY AND EMOTIONS:   Some people are irritable and emotional
for a while after a concussion. They may yell at people or say things
they wouldn't normally say. Some may even get violent. You may also
find that you get more emotional in other ways, getting frustrated or
tearful when you normally wouldn't. If any of these episodes happen,
it is usually a sign that it is time to take a rest from what you are
doing and get away from it. It helps to go some place quiet to calm
down. If you find that you become violent at all or you or others
fear that you may become violent, you should definitely get some help
dealing with this.

UNCERTAINTY:   Many people feel uncertain, perplexed, or confused
after a concussion. They find that their mind and feelings don't
react in the ways they are used to. They may fear that they are going
crazy. This is a normal reaction to a brain injury. If you have these
feelings, it is good to talk about them with someone you trust.
Because your mind is not as reliable for a period of time, it is a
good idea to check with someone you trust about important decisions
you make.

COMMON SYMPTOMS OF MILD BRAIN INJURY
Physical:

  Dizziness
  Fatigue
  Headaches
  Visual complaints
  Sleep disturbance

COGNITIVE:

  Inability to concentrate
  Memory problems
  Impulsitivity, poor judgment
  Slow in task performance
  Difficulty putting thoughts into words

PSYCHOSOCIAL:

  Depression
  Anger outbursts
  Irritability
  Personality changes
  Suspiciousness


CONCENTRATION AND MEMORY:   After a concussion, you may have a period
of time when it is hard to concentrate or to remember recent events.
It may be hard to deal with noisy, busy surroundings. It can be hard
to do complicated activities, or to keep track of several things at
once. Switching from one thing to another may be hard, or it may be
hard to get back to something when you have been interrupted. You can
deal with this by avoiding noisy settings at first and then returning
to them gradually. Write down the important things you have to
remember, or ask for reminders. Return to your usual activities
gradually, and don't take on too much at once.

ALCOHOL:   It is best not to drink alcohol or use any recreational
drugs during the period of recovery from a head injury. If you have
further questions about this, ask us.

WHAT'S NEXT?   Most people recover fully from a mild brain injury.
Usually they get better rapidly in the first few days. Problems that
linger may clear up in a few weeks. Some problems may become more
apparent as you return to your usual activities. For example, you may
not realize you get tired easily until you try to work for eight
hours, or you may not realize you have trouble doing several things
at once in a noisy environment until you try it. Even so, peo-ple0
usually get better after a brain injury, not worse. If you find that
things are getting worse, you should see your doctor. If problems
like headaches, dizziness, double vision, ringing in your ears, or
fatigue continue, you should see your doctor again. If problems like
irritability, uncertainty, or difficulty with concentration and
memory continue beyond a few weeks, then cal us to help you. You
don't have to suffer through this alone, and many of these problems
can be treated. You can also call us if you encounter more serious
difficulties at any time such as violence, or an employer who won't
accommodate your needs, or legal difficulties connected to your
injury.

How Do I Know How Severe the Injury Is?

Physicians rate brain injuries as mild, moderate, or severe, usually
by determining how deep and long the coma is. Coma is a state of
unresponsiveness during which the eyes are closed, but the person is
not asleep. If the Glasgow Coma Scale score is 8 or less, the person
is in coma.

Post-traumatic amnesia is the period after the injury when the person
has emerged from coma but cannot remember ongoing (day-to-day)
events. Post-traumatic amnesia is probably a better indicator of
injury severity than coma.

TBI Effects on Vision

WHAT IS TBI

Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), is a condition that results when there
is a closed head trauma during an incident such as a car accident, a
fall, or other jarring motion to the body. TBI has been categorized
as mild, moderate, or severe by the neurological community. While not
associated with fractures, and while the injuries sustained do not
necessarily show up on the neurological tests such as CAT scans or
MRI's, even a patient with mild TBI can show significant functional
impairments.  This trauma can occur even in the absence of a lost of
consciousness at the time of injury.

HOW CAN TBI EFFECT VISION

TBI patients may show many types of visual dysfunction, including
focusing problems, eye muscles coordination deficits, changes in
glasses prescription, and peripheral vision changes.  Patients may
also notice a slowing of their ability to process information,
problems with attention on concentration, and impairments of memory.
The symptoms related to these dysfunctions may include diplopia
(double vision), intermittent blurriness, light sensitivity, spatial
disorientation, headache, or more general complaints of fatigue.  Not
only is the visual system involved function which regulates balance
and motion detection may also be effected. These problems impact on
daily living activities including reading, driving, and eye-hand
coordination activities.

WHAT CAUSES THESE SYMPTOMS?

While neurological testing may not reveal physical evidence of the
damage causing the deficits, the trauma sustained does compromise the
neuro-mechanisms of visual information processing. The
terms "whiplash" and "neck-sprain" have been used to describe those
injuries that result from auto accidents, where even if the head
avoids striking something, the hyper-extension and hyper-flexion of
the neck in response to impact forces can cause damage. In the neck,
muscles and ligaments undergo stretching and strain, or in more
violent injuries, actual tearing. TBI may also cause injury to the
arteries, stretching of the nerves, and more rarely, injuries to the
vertebral column itself. There sheering or stretching forces
generated as a result of trauma are responsible for the soft tissue
damage that leads to the eye muscle coordination problems and
symptoms that patients experience.

HOW CAN THE VISUAL EFFECTS OF TBI BE TREATED

Some of the earliest studies on TBI patients indicate that at least
50% of patients had a disturbance of the eye muscle coordination
system of one form or another. Some patients exhibit "natural
recovery" which in most studies occurs within the first six months
after trauma. This recovery can be assisted with the use of any
necessary prescription lenses. In some cases, use of special prism
prescriptions can help for eye muscle system problems.  Since the
first studies in 1978, the question has been asked "can vision
therapy techniques be effectively used to rehabilitate the visual
system?"  Some patients, estimated between 2% and 30%, demonstrate no
natural recovery, but do display recovery of visual skills in
response to vision therapy.  Studies have also demonstrated a
learning curve which is markedly enhanced when vision therapy is
utilized, compared to natural recovery alone.  Most importantly, not
only can visual skills be rehabilitated, but there is a post training
maintenance of the therapy effects.  The level of recovery achieved
has also been shown to be enhanced when therapy is employed compared
to the effects of natural recovery alone.

WHAT IS VISION THERAPY

Vision therapy  of TBI patients consists of a program of activities
that are used to rehabilitate the visual system. Vision therapy is
provided in certain optometric offices that have specialty interest
in this field of care. Therapy programs may be necessary for
different patients. For more information please contact the NBIA at
(709) 579-3070.

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http://www.nbia.nf.ca/types_of_brain_injury.htm

Felos' New Age Beliefs - Notice alter on shelf with pic of Yogi which
may be Paramahansa Yogananda, not sure.  The Bible warns us about
worshiping false gods and Idol worship as well as not practicing
divination, sorcery, witchcraft, and related occult practices.  The
Bible also tells us God's Laws including "Thou shalt not kill."

See THE LAW OF GOD,

"THOU SHALT NOT KILL"
DEUTERONOMY 5:17, KJV;
EXODUS 20:13, KJV;
MATTHEW 5:21, KJV;
ROMANS 13:9, KJV

Also see:

"THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER"
MATTHEW 19:18, KJV

"DO NOT KILL"
MARK 10:19, KJV;
LUKE 18:20;
JAMES 2:11, KJV


Melissa


http://sptimes.com/News/052501/Floridian/The_spirit_and_the_la.shtml

(PICS AT LINK ABOVE)

The spirit and the law

How many lawyers does it take to find enlightenment? There's no punch
line; one of the lawyers in the Terri Schiavo case has spent his life
seeking the way to "litigate without becoming a combatant.''
By SHARON TUBBS

© St. Petersburg Times, published May 25, 2001


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DUNEDIN -- A cluster of reporters wait, notebooks and pens poised. A
cameraman counts down the seconds to the start of the press
conference, which will be televised live. In walks lawyer George
Felos, wearing a navy suit jacket, beige slacks, blue shirt, tie and -
- excuse me? -- brown socks and Birkenstocks.

If he had his druthers, Felos and his Birkenstocks would be at a West
Virginia monastery, where he'd sit cross-legged and meditate for
hours at a time, as he did on vacation last year. Or maybe he'd be
doing yoga and centering his chi.

Instead, in a controversial case, he is here to argue that 37-year-
old Terri Schiavo should be allowed to die. Felos represents
Schiavo's husband Michael Schiavo, who has been waging an intense and
public fight to have her taken off life support after 11 years in a
vegetative state.

Felos, 49, has taken on about 10 right-to-die cases in the last
decade. He balances his quest for spiritual growth with his lawyerly
duty to fight.

"Many people find the litigation process to be aggressive, to be
combative, to be harsh," he says. "And the question is: How do you
work within that type of system and not become hardened . . . and
maintain a spiritual center? How do you litigate without becoming a
combatant?

"I look at (the profession) as the opportunity to become more
centered. To use it as an opportunity for growth, rather than a
reason not to be spiritual."

A soul connection
Felos' spiritual and professional lives intersected in a public way
12 years ago, in the case of Estelle Browning. The case gained him a
reputation as the person to see when you want to let someone die.

Browning, of Dunedin, had written a living will in 1985, saying she
did not want to be kept alive by artificial means if she ever became
ill. A year later, she had a stroke. But the nursing home refused to
stop feeding her because she was not technically brain dead. Her
cousin and former roommate, Doris Herbert, asked Felos to take the
case.

He wanted to see Browning for himself. She could not speak, but Felos
says his spiritual side picked up on something. He says her soul
cried out to his soul and asked, "Why am I still here?"

Browning died in 1989 of natural causes while the case was still
unresolved, but the suit has had a lasting effect on the law. In
1990, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that a living will can allow
caregivers to withhold food and water from an incapacitated person,
even when death is not imminent.

After the Browning case, Felos became a volunteer for the Hospice of
the Florida Suncoast, sitting and talking with terminally ill
patients. On his living room shelf sits a book for hospice training,
Dying Well, by Ira Byock.

In recent years he has been writing a book of his own: Litigation as
Spiritual Practice. In 320 pages, to be released this fall by Blue
Dolphin Publishing, Felos contends that his belief in God is what
drives him, even in the civil courtroom where the object is to win,
or at least settle for an adequate sum.

A spiritual being
Who is George Felos?

"Well, what we are in essence can't be described by words," he
says. "The mind is finite, and what we are is infinite. We know what
we're not. We're not the body. We're not the mind. We're not our
thoughts. We're not our emotions.

"In essence," he says, "we're spiritual beings."

Felos was a spiritual being first and a laywer second. He was in law
school at Boston University when a friend asked if he wanted to try
yoga as a stress-reliever.

Felos learned how to meditate, to "notice" his reactions to his
thoughts. He says he learned the events in his life were only as
important as he thought they were.

And he learned about other cultures and Eastern religions.
Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Greek Orthodox worship -- all may have
a point, Felos says.

"I believe that Christ was God incarnate and was resurrected. But, by
the same token, I believe that there were other incarnations of God
as well," he says. "All the great religions in their essence express
the same fundamental truths."

Sometimes, Felos says, he gets nervous or anxious before a hearing.

"If I find that I'm getting nervous or keyed up or off-center, what
I'll do is -- which is a type of meditation -- just focus on my
breathing," he says. "Home in on the sensation of breathing, the
sensation of the air entering the nostrils and exiting the nostrils.
If you do that for 30 seconds, you'll find that you're more relaxed."

If people are truly spiritual, that will permeate all aspects of
their lives, not just during worship, not just at home, but at work
too, Felos says.

"You can't separate your work life from your spiritual life," he
says. "A spiritual seeker has no spiritual focus."

At least one opposing attorney sees little spirituality in Felos. Pat
Anderson, one of the lawyers representing Terri Schiavo's parents,
questions Felos' ethics in fighting to remove the woman's feeding
tube.

Furthermore, Anderson says, "I find him to be uncommonly persnickety
in his diction."

Orthodox beginnings
Raised Greek Orthodox in New York, Felos did not aspire to follow his
father into law. He spent too much time at his father's office,
supposedly on his way to father-son outings but actually waiting for
his dad to finish talking to clients.

"I went to law school because I couldn't think of anything else to do
at the time," Felos says.

After law school -- and his spiritual awakening -- Felos and his
first wife lived on a small Greek island for three months. Each
morning, they would wake up and buy a fresh quart of goat's milk for
9 cents and a 10-cent loaf of steaming hot bread. It was one of the
best times in his life, Felos says.

Then it was back home and back to reality. His family had moved to
the Tampa Bay area, so Felos decided to try for work here. He got an
interview with the Pinellas-Pasco State Attorney's office.

"This is a tough job," Felos remembers the prosecutor telling him
during the interview. "You've got to be hard. You've got to hit! It's
a tough job. Can you do it?"

Having just spent three months living on an island and drinking
goat's milk, Felos looked at the man and said, "You know, I really
don't know."

He didn't get the job and eventually went into civil practice with
his father. The two worked together as Felos & Felos until James G.
Felos died in 1995.

Every morning these days, Felos is 160 pounds of elastic on his
bedroom floor. He does yoga, inspired by a framed portrait of
Paramahansa Yogananda, the founder of spiritual realization. He does
more stretches and takes out a machine that helps with his chi, or
body energy.

The purpose of the morning routine is to be "present in the sensation
of his body."

He takes out a throw pillow and meditates for a half hour before
showering and drinking a concoction of protein powder, banana, orange
juice, yogurt and goat's milk.

Each morning he checks to see if something has grown on the mango
tree and bamboo he planted in the front yard.

Felos visits different places of worship about twice a month, he
says. He has spoken at several, including the Palm Harbor Unity
Church, the Center for Conscious Living and a spiritual awareness
center in Crystal Beach.

He hangs out with friends -- ministers, yoga teachers, but no
lawyers. He bought a Steinway grand piano and plays Beethoven on it.
He invites friends over for chanting -- "I am that I am. I am that I
am." -- while he plays the harmonium.

"He has a good sense of humor, and he has a gentle and kind soul,"
says Debi Chapman, a Palm Harbor yoga instructor who met Felos about
seven years ago at a retreat. "It's just a heartfelt space, a very
spirit-filled connection that George and I have."

Felos' reading material includes Handbook to Higher Consciousness,
God Talks With Arjuna, The Experience of Insight, In the Meantime.

His home looks more hippie-ish than lawyerly -- red couch with big
pillows, multicolored chair in hot tones, mint green carpeting, spry
yellow kitchen and one living room wall painted neon blue.

He spends weekends with his 14-year-old son, Alexander, from his
first marriage. They fish for mullet in St. Joseph Sound, the body of
water that doubles as Felos' back yard. Caladesi and Honeymoon
islands are in the distance.

Felos is in the final stages of a divorce from his second wife.

"If I did relationships as well as I did law," Felos says, "I'd
probably be happily married."

The journey continues
Felos does not mention Schiavo in Law as Spiritual Practice, but says
he wants to start a second book when the case is over. He may talk
about his spiritual journey with Schiavo then. For now, he is
preparing for a hearing before the 2nd District Court of Appeal in
Lakeland on June 25. He thinks the court will agree that her feeding
tube should be removed.

That is what is necessary, he says, "to accomplish what I believe are
Terri's wishes."

Does Felos believe Terri Schiavo's soul has spoken to his?

Felos declines to answer, showing his lawyerly side. "It's a pending
case," he says.


http://sptimes.com/News/052501/news_pf/Floridian/The_spirit_and_the_la
.shtml

Note:  Since the link above to this article is not clickable on this
website due to the length of the link above, you can find this
printer friendly article (without pictures of Michael Schiavo's
attorney, George Felos), as well as the article with pictures of
Felos, on

Go to http://google.com and copy and paste or type in these words
exactly like this:

Felos "The spirit and the law"

(with quotes around "The spirit and the law", but not quotes around
Felos)

and you will find the original article from The St. Pete Times website
There is one article with pictures of Felos and the same article
without pictures (a printer-friendly version)

THIS LINK BELOW WILL PROBABLY WORK ON MY SITE:

http://sptimes.com/News/052501/Floridian/The_spirit_and_the_la.shtml

(PICS AT LINK ABOVE)

(PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO WHAT IS STATED ABOUT "RULE 1.540-B-5")
8-31-04 FL SUPREME CT ORAL ARGUMENTS RE: CONSTITUTIONALITY OF TERRI'S
LAW TRANSRIPT, AUDIO/VIDEO LINKS AS WELL AS TEXT OF TRANSCRIPT
BELOW.

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Subject: FL SUPREME CT. HEARING TRANSCRIPT / VIDEO ON TERRI'S LAW
8-31-04


Transcript:
http://www.wfsu.org/gavel2gavel/transcript/04-925.htm

Real Video:
http://www.wfsu.org/rafiles/archives/04-925.ram


Note to self:
I didn't send the text of the transcript to my list re: Terri. I
sent them the above links instead. I am copying the text of the
transcript now for my own reference. Melissa

The following is a real-time transcript taken as closed captioning
during the oral argument proceedings, and as such, may contain
errors. This service is provided solely for the purpose of assisting
those with disabilities and should be used for no other purpose.
These are not legal documents, and may not be used as legal
authority. This transcript is not an official document of the Florida
Supreme Court.



Jeb Bush v. Michael Schiavo

CHIEF JUSTICE: GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE
FLORIDA SUPREME COURT . THE FIRST CASE THIS MORNING IS BUSH VERSUS
SCHIAVO. ARE THE PARTIES READY ? ALL RIGHT. NOW , I UNDERSTAND THAT
YOU ARE SPLIT BE YOUR TIME , AND YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THE INITIAL
ARGUMENT .

YES, YOUR HONOR.

CHIEF JUSTICE: ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY PROCEED. GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. MY NAME IS ROBERT DESTROW , HERE TO REPRESENT
GOVERNOR BUSH IN THIS CASE AND WITH ME ARE KENNETH CONNOR, WHO WILL
ARGUE IN REBUTTAL AND CAMIELLE GODWIN .

CHIEF JUSTICE: BEFORE YOU GET INTO YOUR ARGUMENT, THE COURT WOULD
APPRECIATE IT IF, IF YOUR ARGUMENT, YOU WOULDADDRESS THE SEPARATION
OF POWERS, FIRST , WITH THE PRIVACY ARGUMENT , AND WITH WHATEVER FREE
TIME YOU HAVE , YOU CAN ARGUE THE OTHER ISSUES.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT. TERRI SCHIAVO DID NOT
HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BENEFIT O F

JUSTICE WELLS : LET'S TRYTO GET INTO THE ARGUMENT ON SEPARATION OF
POWERS. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE GOVERNOR DID
NOT HAVE THE POWER TO ORDER A STAY ON OCTOBER 15 , 2003?

YOUR HONOR , NO , I THINK THE ORDER TO , THE STAY IS BASED ON THE
ACT , YES , YOUR HONOR .

JUSTICE WELLS : SO THE GOVERNOR'S POWER TO ACT ANDENTER A STAY, CAME
SOLELY FROM THE LEGISLATURE.

YES , YOUR HONOR. THE POWER OF PERINS PATRIATE

JUSTICE WELLS : IS THIS SOMETHING UNIQUE TO GIVE THE GOVERNOR THIS
POWER OR COULD THE LEGISLATURE GIVE THE POWER TO YOU?

YES , YOUR HONOR , THE LEGISLATURE HAS GIVEN THEPOWER T O ANY PERSON
IN THESTATE OF FLORIDA, TO RAISETHE QUESTION OF THE RIGHTS OF A
VULNERABLE ADULT IN AN APPROPRIATE COURT, AND THAT IS REALLY , ALL
THIS ACT DOES .

JUSTICE WELLS : I HAVE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION ALONG THIS LINE. NOW ,
THIS LEGISLATION, THEN , THAT DELEGATED THIS POWER, IT DID IT TO
INVOLVE, IN REALITY , A SINGLE CASE , CORRECT?

NO , YOUR HONOR. IT DID NOT .

JUSTICE WELLS : WELL , WHAT OTHER CASES WOULD MEET THE DESCRIPTION OF
SOMEBODY THAT HAD THE COURT ORDER ED , THE WHOLE LINE OF THINGS THAT
ARE IN THIS STATUTE , OTHER THAN THE PETITIONER IN THIS CASE?

WELL , YOUR HONOR , THE STATUTE, ITSELF , IS OPEN ENDED . CERTAINLY
TERRI SCHIAVO FITS WITHIN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATUTE , BUT IT
WOULD B E A QUESTION OF FACT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE OTHER
PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA , AT ANY GIVEN, DURING THE TIME THIS
STATUTE WAS IN EFFECT , IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A QUESTION O F FACT,
AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO COULD FIT THAT DESCRIPTION.THE STATUTE
IS VERY CLEAR ON ITS FACE , THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ADVANCED
DIRECTIVE, THAT THE COURT HAS FOUND THAT , WHEN NUTRITION AND
HYDRATION CAN BE WITHDRAWN, THERE COULD BE ANY NUMBER O F PEOPLE, AND
IT WOULD BE A QUESTION OF FACT AS TO HOW MANY WERE IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA AT THAT TIME .

JUSTICE QUINCE : WOULDN'T THIS HAVE TO FIT INTO THIS 15-DAYTIME
PERIOD? THIS ACT CAME INTO EFFECT ON A PARTICULAR DAY , AND 15 DAYS
LATER , IT IS NO LONGNER EFFECT, ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES , YOUR HONOR , THAT IS TRUE .

JUSTICE QUINCE : SO AS TO WHETHER SCHIAVO IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT
MEETS THE CRITERIA OR SOME OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE STATUTE , IT WOULD
HAVE TO BE WITHIN THAT SHORT, 15-DAYTIME PERIOD, THAT NOT CORRECT,
AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET EACH OF THE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THAT
STATUTE.

YES, YOUR HONOR , IF I CAN JUST ADD, THOUGH, IF THE LEGISLATURE , THE
SEPARATION OF POWERS ISSUE THAT THECOURT IS RIGHTLY CONCERNEDABOUT ,
WOULD ALSO BE THECASE, I F THE LEGISLATURE HAD AMENDED CHAPTER 765
AND PROVIDED THIS AS A PROCEDUREACROSS THE BOARD , WHICH IT COULD DO,
AFTER THIS CASE , WITH MR. CHIEF JUSTICE

WELL , NOW , LET'S WITH .


CHIEF JUSTICE: WELL , NOW , LET'S GET BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE
SEPARATION OF POWERS. ONE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE, WHICH IS IF THIS
IS AN UNLAWFUL DELEGATION OF UNFETTER ED DISCRETION TO THE EXECUTIVE
BRANCH AND THE SECOND ISSUE WE ARE TALKINGABOUT IS WHETHER , IF
APPLIED TO TERRI SCHIAVO, IT IS A JUDICIAL BRANCH 'S FINAL ORDER
GIVING THE GOVERNOR SUPER APPELLATE POWER , SO ON THE UNFETTERED
DISCRETION ISSUE AND GOING BACK TO WHAT JUSTICE WELLS SAYS , ARE
YOUSAYING THIS STATUTE COULD HAVE BEEN SET UP AND GIVENTHE POWER TO
ISSUE THIS ONE-TIME STAY TO ANYBODY, ANY AGENCY IN THE
EXECUTIVEBRANCH?

NO , YOUR HONOR. THE LEGISLATURE GAVE THIS POWER TO THE GOVERNOR,
BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR , HISTORICALLY, STANDS IN THE ROLE OF PARENS
PATRIATE, THE ULTIMATE DEFENDER OF CIVIL RIGHTS IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA , SWORN TO SEE THAT THE LAW IS FAITHFULLY EXECUTED.

CHIEF JUSTICE: SO WITH THAT , THE GOVERNOR WOULD BE THE ONLY PROPER
PERSON THAT THE LEGISLATURE COULD GIVE THIS SUPER APPELLATE POWEROF
REVIEW TO.

I WOULD ARGUE SOMEWHAT WITH YOUR CHARACTERIZATION THAT THIS IS A
SUPER APPELLATE POWER. IN POINT OF FACT , YOUR HONOR, THIS IS THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GOVERNOR TO RAISE THE DUE PROCESS QUESTIONS ON
BEHALF OF TERRI SCHIAVO , THAT THE ALLEGATION HERE IS THAT TERRI
SCHIAVO WAS DENIED DUE PROCESS , IN THE PROCEEDINGS BELOW .

CHIEF JUSTICE: BUT IF THE GOVERNOR HAD TRIED TO INTERVENE IN THE
ONGOING PROCEEDINGS AND RAISED SOME QUESTIONS AS AN INTEREST TED
PARTY , AS T O WHETHER TERRI SCHIAVO 'S DUE PROCESS RIGHTS HAD BEEN
INTERFERED WITH, WE WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.WHAT WE ARE
HERE WITH IS THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THIS LAW I S FACIALLY
UNCONSTITUTIONAL , BY GIVING THE GOVERNOR THE POWER TO ISSUE THIS ONE-
TIME STAY BUT IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO , LIFT THE STAY ATANY
TIME , MAY DO SO , AND MAY REVOKE THE STAY , ALL WITHOUT ANY
STANDARDS .

WELL , YOUR HONOR , THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH THAT
PARTICULAR ARGUMENT , ISTHAT THE , THIS LAW DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE ,
UNLESS IT IS READ IN PARI MATERIA , WITH CHAPTER 765 AND CHAPTER 744.
IN FACT WE WOULD ARGUE THAT , IN POINT OF FACT THAT CONSTITUTIONALLY,
IN ORDER TO GIVE PEOPLE WITH SEVERE DISABILITIES THE RIGHT TO
QUESTION THE ADEQUACY O F THEIR REPRESENTATION BELOW , YOU HAVE TO
READ THESE STATUTES IN PERRY MATERIA.

IT IS IN PARI MATERIA .

JUSTICE CANTERO : IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO B E ADDED TO CHAPTER 765, IS
IT?

NOT ADDED TO CHAPTER 765. IT IS ON ITS FACE .

JUSTICE CANTERO. IS IT ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION?

I THINK AT THIS TIME IT WAS DONE QUICKLY.

JUSTICE CANTERO : DID THE LEGISLATURE AMEND CHAPTER 765 TO ADD A NEW
SECTION , WHICH IS THIS LAW?

I THINK YOU SHOULD READ IT THAT WAY , YES, BUT IT IS NOT ON THE FACE
THOUGH .

JUSTICE CANTERO : I AM ASKING IF THE LEGISLATURE SAID IT WAS AMENDING
CHAPTER 765 OR ANY OTHER NEW CHAPTER , BY EFFECTING THE LEGISLATION.

NO , YOUR HONOR , BUT WHAT IT PROVIDES IS TIED VERY CLEARLY TO 744
AND 765.

JUSTICE CANTERO : IS THERE ANY OTHER CASE BEFORE THIS COURT IN WHICH
WE HAVE READ INTO AN ACT THAT IT AMENDS THE CHAPTER OF THE FLORIDA
LAWS , WHEN IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY SO?

YOUR HONOR , THIS COURT HAS SAID INFERRING YOU SON VERSUS STATE AND
IN OTHER CASES, THAT WHEN THE FACE OF THE STATUTE SHOWS THAT IT IS
CLEARLY RELATED TO OTHERSTATUTES , IT SHOULD BE READ IN PARI MATERIA
WITH THEM. IF IT IS CLEAR ON ITS FACE THAT IT CAN STAND ALONE , AND
OUR ARGUMENT IS THAT IT SIMPLY CANNOT STAND ALONE.

CHIEF JUSTICE: IN TERMSOF THE PURPOSE OF LOOKING AT THIS LAW, AND I
AM AM NOT SURE, WHEN WE GET INTO SEPARATION OF POWERS WHETHER THAT IS
THE RELEVANT INQUIRY , BUT COULD YOU THEN ADDRESS, BECAUSE I KNOW THE
WHOLE ARGUMENT IS THIS IS GIVING THIS PROTECTION. WHAT , WHERE THE 15-
DAY EXPIRATION DATE , IN OTHER WORDS , AN IDEA THAT WE AREGOING TO
PROTECT A WHOLE CLASS OF DISABLED INDIVIDUALS , SEVERELY DISABLED
INDIVIDUALS , WHO ALREADY HAVE BEEN FOUND TO BE IN A PERSISTENT
VEGETATIVE STATE, WHO ALREADY HAVE HAD HYDRATION WITHDRAWN , AND ,
BUT IT ONLY LASTS FOR 15 DAYS?

WELL , YOUR HONOR , GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE , OF WHAT WAS GOING ON,
NOT ONLY IN THIS CASE BUT IN ALL CASES IN WHICH NUTRITION AND
HYDRATION IS WITHDRAWN , THERE IS A TEMPORAL IMPERATIVE THAT THERE BE
AN ACTION BEFORE ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO DUE PROCESS , EQUAL
PROTECTION , AND PRIVACY ARE LOST .

JUSTICE QUINCE : ARE THERE ANY OTHER PLACES IN THEFLORIDA STATUTE,
WHERE THE GOVERNOR HAS THIS KIND OF POWER TO STAY PROCEEDINGS?

WELL , YOUR HONOR , ACTUALLY THE GOVERNOR DOES HAVE THE POWER IN
DEATH CASES, T O STAY PROCEEDINGS .

JUSTICE QUINCE : YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CHAPTER 92322.

YES, THE CLEM CHAPTER 922.

YES, THE CLEMENCY POWER .

JUSTICE QUINCE : AND IN CHAPTER 922 , AREN'T THEIR PROCEDURES THAT
THE GOVERNOR HAS T O ABIDE BY , IF HE ENTERS A A STAY?

YES , YOUR HONOR , AND WE SAY THAT CHAPTER 744 AND 765 PROVIDE THE
STANDARDS , BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR MAKES A DISCRETIONARY FINDING
ABOUTWHETHER OR NOT HE FEELS PROBABLE CAUSE HAS BEEN MADE TO PUT A
STAY I N .

JUSTICE QUINCE : UNDER THIS ACT, WHAT IS THE GOVERNOR REQUIRED TO DO?
AS I READ IT, THE GOVERNOR ISN'T REALLY REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING. THE
STATE COULD STAY INDEFINITELY.

WELL , YOUR HONOR , AGAIN , THAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF READING THIS,
IN LIGHT OF CHAPTER 765 AND CHAPTER 744 , BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR
TAKES , HE GOES AND HE ASKS THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR A GUARDIAN AD
LITEM . THEY WADE FOR THE GUARDIAN AD LITEM TO COME BACK WITH THE
REPORT. HE REPORTS BACK. THIS CASE HAS TO BE SEEN, IN LIGHT OF THE
ONGOING GUARDIANSHIP JURISDICTION OF THE CIRCUIT COURT I AM SORRY.
JUSTICE WELLS.

JUSTICE WELLS : LET ME GETBACK TO , ISN'T THE CARDINAL PRINCIPLE OF
SEPARATION OF POWERS, SET FORTH BY, IN THE UNITED STATES SUPREME
COURT , CASE , THIS BEN THRIFT CASE , WHICH SAYS THAT A LEGISLATURE ,
WITHOUT EXCEEDING ITS PROVINCE, CANNOT REVERSE A DETERMINATION , ONCE
MADE IN A PARTICULAR CASE , THOUGH IT MAY PRESCRIBE A NEW RULE FOR
FUTURE CASES. AND ISN'T WHAT, IN REALITY , WHEN THIS IS ALL BOILED
DOWN TO, THE LEGISLATURE STEPPEDIN HERE AND REVERSED A DECISION THAT
WAS FINAL IN A SPECIFIC CASE?

NO , YOUR HONOR, IT DIDN'T H IN FACT, THE FACE OF THE STATUTE MAKES
IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE LEGISLATURE PROVIDED A RULE , A PROSPECTIVE
RULE O F PROCEDURE, THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE AFTER THE MANDATE WAS
CARRIED OUT. IT DID NOT , LIKE IN PLOAUT , GO BACK AND ISSUE A RULE
THAT WAS IN PLACE. THE MANDATE WAS CARRIED OUT , AND WHAT IT DID WAS
ENACT A PROCEDURAL RULE , THE PROCEDURAL PROS ES WAS GOING PROCESS
THAT WAS GOING FORWARD THAT DID NOTHING TO EMPOWER THE COURT.

CAN WE EXPLORE THE PARAMETERS FOR YOUR ARGUMENT , AND CERTAINLY WE
HAVE GOT A SET OF FACTS THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE, BUT WOULD THE
LEGISLATURE HAVE THE POWER TO DELEGATE TO THE GOVERNOR, THE ABILITY
TO SET ASIDE ANY CIVIL JUDGMENT , ON THE BASIS OF THE GOVERNOR'S
VIEW , THAT DID NOT MEET DUE PROCESS REQUIREMENTS ? A CIVIL MONETARY
DAMAGES , CASES INVOLVING FAMILY LAW , THAT THE JUDGE DID NOT
ADEQUATELY PROTECT THE CHILDREN I N THIS, THE WAY THAT CUSTODY WAS
HANDLED. WOULD YOU EXPLORE FOR US, THE PARAMETERS . I MEAN, WHAT ARE
WE OPENINGUP HERE, IF WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS? HOW BROAD IS THIS
O R HOW NARROW IS IT?

ACTUALLY, YOUR HONOR, I THINK THIS IS A VERY NARROW PRINCIPLE,
BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE IS THE FULL IMPLICATIONS OF THE
BROWNING DECISION, WHERE THIS COURT HELD THAT , AN INCOMPETENT PERSON
HAS THE SAME RIGHTS THAT A COMPETENT PERSON HAS , AND EVENTUALLY THIS
CASE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP , BECAUSE SOMEBODY , AND IF IT IS
NOT GOING TO BE THE GOVERNOR , AND I THINK IT IS A RATIONAL CHOICE
FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO MAKE , TO SAYTHAT THE GOVERNOR CAN STAND IN
THIS PERSON'S SHOES AND ASSURE AND TO RAISE THEQUESTIONS , WAS THERE
ADEQUATE REPRESENTATION IN THE COURT BELOW .

CHIEF JUSTICE: THE ACTDOES NOT EVEN REQUIRE THE GOVERNOR TO TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT THE PATIENT'S WISHES , WHICH YOU WOULD AGREE THAT,WHAT THE
UNDERLYING LITIGATION WAS , THAT WENT OVER A SIX-YEAR PERIOD, WAS TO
DETERMINE WHAT TERRI SCHIAVO 'S WISHES WOULD HAVE BEEN , I F SHE WERE
IN A POSITION TO ASSERT THEM , ATTHE TIME THAT THE FINAL JUDGMENT WAS
ENTERED. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT , THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT IS
IN THE BEST INTEREST OF AN ADULT , BUT WHAT IS , WOULD BE THEIR
WISHES. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

WELL , YOUR HONOR , THE GOVERNOR MR. CHIEF JUSTICE

THAT IS GOVERNOR :

CHIEF JUSTICE: THAT IS WHAT BROWNING SAYS?

YES, YOUR HONOR, THE GOVERNOR IS SWORN TO UPHOLD THIS COURT'S RULING
IN BROWNING AND CHAPTER 765 , AND MUST MAKE SURE THAT TERRI 'S RIGHTS
ARE PROTECTED .

CHIEF JUSTICE: WHERE IS THAT STATED WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LAW
THAT WAS ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE , AND THAT GETS ME BACK TO THE
ISSUE OF UNFETTERED DISCRETION. THERE IS NO STANDARDS NEWYORK CITY
REQUIREMENT THAT STANDARDS BE PROMULGATED . THERE IS NO LENGTH OF
TIME THAT THE STAY REMAINS IN EFFECT , AND ESSENTIALLY , THERE IS NO
INDIVIDUAL OR ENTTY THAT CAN OVERRULE THAT STAY NO INDIVIDUAL OR
ENTITY THAT CAN OVERRULE THAT STAY .

YOUR HONOR , THIS IS WHEREWE WOULD ARGUE THE CONSTITUTIONAL READING O
F PARI MATERIA , WITHIN 765, BECAUSE THAT DOES PROVIDE THE STANDARDS.

CHIEF JUSTICE: BUT 765 IS THE STANDARD THAT WASFOLLOWED, THAT WAS
ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE , THAT WAS NOT AMENDED I N THE LAST
LEGISLATIVE SESSION, IT THAT GIVES A VERY , VERY SUBSTANTIAL
PROCEDURE , WHEN INDIVIDUALS WANT TO CHALLENGE THE DECISION OF A
PROXY. AND THERE HAS BEEN NO ALLEGATION THAT THAT PROCEDURE WAS NOT
SCRUPULOUS LY ADHERED TO IN THE CASE OF TERRI SCHIAVO .

BUT , YOUR HONOR , IN THIS CASE, TERRI SCHIAVO 'S PROXY WAS THE
JUDGE, AND THE DIFFICULTY WITH THE , WITH THAT PROCEDURE , IS THAT
TERRI SCHIAVO IS NOW THE GOVERNOR AND TERRI SCHIAVO , WHO I S
STANDING IN HER SHOES UNDER THE STATUTE, IS FORCED TO LITIGATE
AGAINST THE JUDGE, WHICH THIS COURT SAID IN TW, IN FOOTNOTE THREE, IS
ABSOLUTELY INTOLERABLE , AS A MATTER OF DID DUE PROCESS , SO THAT THE
AS A MATTER OF DUE PROCESS , SO THAT THIS IS REALLY WHERE THOSE
STATUTES FIT TOGETHER . I KNOW I AM INTO M Y REBUTTAL TIME. THANK
YOU , YOUR HONOR .

CHIEF JUSTICE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MR . GOULD .

FELOS .

JUSTICE CANTERO : MR . FELOS, COULD YOU FOLLOW-UPWITH THAT RESPONSE ,
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PROXYAND THE PROXY MAKING THE
DECISION. COULD YOU ADDRESS THE ARGUMENT THAT, IN THIS CASE THE JUDGE
BECAME THE PROXY ?

JUSTICE ANSTEAD : COULD YOU FIRST INTRODUCE YOURSELF , THOUGH, AND
TELL US WHO YOU ARE REPRESENTING. TIME GEORGE FELOS , COUNSEL FOR
MICHAEL SCHIAVO , H ERE THIS MORNING WITH CO-COUNSEL MARSHAL RANDALL,
THE DIRECTOR OF THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION OF FLORIDA AND
ALSO COOPERATING COUNSEL WITH THE FLORIDA ACLU , AND ON BEHALF OF MY
CLIENT, WE DID WANT TO THANK THE COURT FOR ACCEPTING THE BYPASS
CERTIFICATION AND CONSIDERING EXPEDITED CONSIDERATION OF THIS CASE ,
AND IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, IF YOU READ THE
BRIEFS TO INVOKE THIS COURT'S DISCRETIONARY JURISDICTION , IN SCHIAVO
ONE , THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ARGUED. THOSE WERE THE
ARGUMENTS OF TERRI 'S PARENTS, IN SEEKING REVIEW OF THE INITIAL
SCHIAVO ONE DECISION. OR THE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS OF THE WARD AFFECTED
BY THE TRIAL JUDGE HAVING A , IN ESSENCE , ACTING AS A PROXY, AND
OBVIOUSLY THIS COURT DIDN'T THINK SO , THREE YEARSAGO , B Y ELECTING
NOT TO TAKE ITS DISCRETIONARY JURISDICTION, AND I JUST WANT T O
HIGHLIGHT, IN ESSENCE WHAT THE GOVERNOR I S TRYING TO DO IN THIS
CASE , IS RELITIGATE AND FORCE A READJUDICATION O F TERRI SCHIAVO 'S
RIGHTS , WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULLY AND FINALLY LITIGATED IN THE
COURTS OF THE STATE .

CHIEF JUSTICE: THE PROCEDURE THAT WAS FOLLOWED WAS THE PROCEDURE AS
SET FORTH IN BROWNING AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY PUT INTO STATUTORY FORMAT
LIE THE LEGISLATURE , WHICH -FORMAT , BY THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH
ANTICIPATES THAT, IF THEREIS A DISPUTE BETWEEN THE PARTIES THAT, THE
JUDGE WOULD SET FORTH A DECISION, BUT PROSPECTIVELY, THE LEGISLATURE
DETERMINED THAT THERE SHOULD BE A PROCEDURE THAT, SAY , TAKES THE
INITIAL ASPECT OF THIS VERY , VERY PRIVATE DECISION , OUT OF
THECOURT , AND STARTS WITH SOME ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS , AND REQUIRES
THERE BE A GUARDIAN AD LITEM APPOINTED FOR AN INCOMPETENT ADULT.
WOULD YOU SEE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL INFIRMITY IN SUCH AN ACT , AND HOW
DOES THIS, WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US , DIFFER FROM THAT?

YES , YOUR HONOR. I WOULD SEE CONSTITUTIONAL INFIRMITY, FOR A NUMBER
OF REASONS. FIRST OFF , FROM THE ASPECT OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTTO
PRIVACY HERE , THE VIOLATION HERE , IS TAKING FROM THE PATIENT AND
GIVING TO THE STATE , THE POWER TO MAKE MEDICAL TREATMENT CHOICES ,
AND IF YOU ARE CONTEMPLATING A PROCEDURE IN WHICH THE CURRENT FORMAT
OF HAVING A GUARDIAN , A SPOUSE , AN ADULT CHILD , CLOSE FAMILY
MEMBERS , MAKE A DECISION FOR AN INCAPACITATED PATIENT , AND YOU
REMOVE THAT , AND GIVE THAT DECISION-MAKING TO THE STATE , EVEN IF IT
IS IN THE CONTEXT OF A LEGISLATIVE SCHEME, YES , I THINK THERE ARE
PROBLEMS .

CHIEF JUSTICE: BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT WE DO WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
CHILDREN AND FAMILIES? IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE ARE IN A SITUATION
WHERE WE ARE CONCERNED WHETHER THE RIGHTS OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO CANNOT
EXPRESS HIMSELF O R HERSELF, EITHER BY MINORITY OR B Y INCOMPETENCY,
THE IDEA OF HAVING ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
STATE'S INTEREST IN PRESERVING LIFE , IS HONORED , AND THAT IS, THAT
IS THE NORM , WHY WOULDN'T A PROCEDURE LIKE THAT BE APPROPRIATE , AND
ISN'T THAT WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO , MAYBE BE LATEEDLY , IN THIS
SITUATION ?

YOUR HONOR, I WOULD DISAGREE THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO
BE LATELY . IT IS OBVIOUS HERE THAT , THE INTENT OF THE
LEGISLATUREHERE WAS TO OVERTURN A FINAL JUDGMENT OF A COURT OF THIS
STATE THAT THEY WERE PARTICULARLY DISPLEASED WITH, BUT GETTING BACK
TO YOUR QUESTION, YOUR HONOR , A GUARDIAN IS ALREADY APPOINTED UNDER
CHAPTER 765 , AND WHEN YOU ASK , IF YOU ASKCAN WE TAKE AN
ADMINISTRATIVE , AN ADMINISTRATION OF A PATIENT'S
CONSTITUTIONALRIGHTS OR DISPUTE AND TAKE IT OUT OF THE COURT SYSTEM
INTO ANOTHER FORUM , I GUESSI WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF FORUM
THERE IS AND WHO THE DECISION-MAKER IS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO
REMEMBER THESE ARE INTENSELY PERSONAL AND PRIVATE RIGHTS WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT HERE .

JUSTICE WELLS : LET ME ASKYOU , YOUR OPPONENTS MAKE THE POINT THAT WE
ARE NOT REALLY , THOUGH, TALKING ABOUT A JUDGMENT WHICH WAS FINAL ,
SINCE THIS ISSUE IN THIS GUARDIANSHIP , IS NOT FINAL, AS LONG AS MS.
SCHIAVO IS STILL ALIVE. NOW , WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER TO THAT , THAT THIS
IS ALWAYS A PROSPECTIVE TYPE OF SITUATION?

YOUR HONOR , THIS IS A FINAL JUDGMENT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. NUMBER
ONE , IT WAS A FINAL STATEMENT OR FINAL WORD OF THE COURT SYSTEM OF
THE STATE OF FLORIDA . IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE COURT OF APPEAL
MANY TIMES , AS A FINAL JUDGMENT . ALSO APPEALED AS A FINAL JUDGMENT.
BUT THE FACT , YOUR HONOR , THAT UNDER OUR SYSTEM O F JUSTICE UNDER
THE RULES OF PROCEDURE , A FINAL JUDGMENT CAN BE VACATED UNDER
CERTAINGROUNDS AND THIS GROUND AND THE PURPORTED GROUNDS HERE IS RULE
1.540-B-5 , THE FACT THAT A FINAL JUDGMENT COULD BE VACATED IN THE
FUTURE , DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS FINAL FOR SEPARATION OF POWERS. TO
FOLLOW THAT LOGIC, YOURHONOR , EVERY CIVIL JUDGMENT IN THIS STATE
WOULD NO LONGER BE FINAL AND SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE RESCINDMENT ,
BECAUSE IT COULD BE VACATED , POTENTIALLY VACATED UNDER RULE 1.540-B-
5.

DID THE GOVERNOR FILE A MOTION

JUSTICE CANTERO : COULD THE GOVERNOR FILE A MOTION UNDER RULE 1.540
RIGHT NOW , SAYING THE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED OR THERE IS
NEWEVIDENCE?

YOUR HONOR , I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I BELIEVE THAT 1.540-B-5 , IS
CONCERNED AND PERTAINS TO PARTIES IN THE CASE , BUT I , ALSO , DID ,
BECAUSE IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT AS TO WHETHER THIS IS A FINAL
JUDGMENT, BECAUSE THAT TRIGGERS THE SEPARATION OF POWERS ANALYSIS ,
YOUR HONOR , YOUR HONOR BROUGHT UP THE ANALOGY OF A CHILD CUSTODY
CASE. IT IS VERY TRUE THAT, IN A FAMILY LAW SITUATION , WHEN A JUDGE
AWARDS A CUSTODY OF A MINOR CHILD TO ONE PARENT , THAT BECOMES A
FINAL JUDGMENT . IT CAN BE APPEALED , BUT THE TRIAL COURT OR THE
FAMILY LAW COURT RETAINS JURISDICTION OVER THAT CASE , OVER THAT
CHILD , UNTIL THE CHILD REACHES EMANCIPATION , AND UNDER THAT
THEORY , BECAUSE THE TRIAL COURT COULD ADDRESS THE CUSTODY ISSUE AT
SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE , IF WE ARE SAYING THAT IS NOT A FINAL
JUDGMENT , THEN THE SEPARATION OF POWERS PROTECTION, THE FIREWALL OF
SEPARATION OF POWERS, IS ERADICATED IN FAMILY LAW CASES, AND THAT IS
CERTAINLY NOT THE LAW OF THIS STATE .

JUSTICE CANTERO : CAN YOU ADDRESS THE GOVERNOR'S ARGUMENT OR
COUNTERARGUMENT TO THAT , THAT HE IS NOT BOUND BY THAT , IF IT IS A
JUDGMENT, HE IS NOT BOUND BY THAT JUDGMENT BECAUSE HE WASN'T A PARTY
TO THAT PROCEEDING AND THEREFORE COLLATERAL ESTOPPEL OR RACE JUDICATA
PRINCIPLES DO NOT HAVE TO APPLY TO HIM .

IT I S A RED HERRING , YOUR HONOR , BECAUSE THE FACT THAT HE WAS NOT
A PARTY TO THE JUDGMENT, DOES NOT ALTER THEFACT THAT THE JUDGMENT WAS
ENTERED, AND IF WE FOLLOW THAT LOGIC , WELL , THE GOVERNOR FOR
SEPARATION OR THE LEGISLATURE CAN RESCIND JUDICIAL JUDGMENTS , TO
WHICH THE LEGISLATURE O R GOVERNOR WERE NOT A PARTY, WELL , THEN, THE
VAST MAJORITY OF JUDGMENTS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE
RESCINDMENT .

JUSTICE QUINCE : IF THEGOVERNOR CANNOT INTERVENE , BASED O N RULE
1.540 , ISTHERE ANY PROCEDURE WOULDWHICH THE GOVERNOR COULD, IN FACT,
HAVE INTERVENED IN THIS PROCEEDING?

I DON'T BELIEVE SO, YOUR HONOR , BUT THE STATE'S INTERESTS ARE
PROTECTED IN THESE CASES. IF YOU READ BROWNING , IF YOU READ THE
DUBRIEL DECISION , THE ONES DECISION , THIS COURT WAS VERY CLEAR T O
SAYAND IT AROSE IN THE CONTEXTOF A HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. IF A HEALTH
CARE PROVIDER DISAGREES WITH THE PATIENT'S MEDICAL TREATMENT CHOICE ,
DO THEY HAVE STANDING TO CONTEST IT IN COURT? THIS COURT SAID NO,
WHAT THEHEALTH CARE PROVIDER WOULD HAVE TO DO IS GO TO THE STATE
ATTORNEY AND GIVE THIS INFORMATION TO THE STATEATTORNEY, AND IT WOULD
B E UP TO THE STATE ATTORNEY TO DECIDE WHETHER T O INTERVENEIN A
PARTICULAR CASE. SO IT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THE STATE'S INTERESTS IN
PRESERVING LIFE OR WHATEVER INTERESTS THEY MIGHT ASSERT, CANNOT BE
ADDRESSED, BUT NOTBY THE GOVERNOR .

JUSTICE CANTERO : CAN I ASK A QUESTION , IN THE SECOND DCA'S OPINION
OF JULY '01 , IT REFERS SPECIFICALLY TO THE ORDER IN THE TERMS OF A
MANDATORY INJUNCTION AND NOT AS A FINAL JUDGMENT, ANDIT SAYS UNTIL
THE LIFE PROLONGING PROCEDURES ARE DISCONTINUED, SUCH AN ORDER IS
ENTIRELY EXECUTOR I AND AWARDED T O THE GUARDIAN TO BE UNDER THE
JURISDICTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE GUARD JAN SHIP GUARDIANSHIP
COURT , AND IT I S SUBJECT TO RECALL. ADDRESS THAT IN FINALITY .

YOUR HONOR , IN THE SECOND DISTRICT OPINION, IT SPECIFICALLY REFERS
TO THE ORDER OF THE GUARDIANSHIP AS A FINAL ORDER , AND THE SECOND
DISTRICT ALSO SAID THE PROCEDURE BY WHICH THAT ORDER COULD BE
REOPENED , IS THE 1.540-B-5 PROCEDURE, AND I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY
EXTRAORDINARY FOR THE GOVERNOR TO ARGUE THAT THE LEGISLATURE , IN 18
HOURS AND THE GOVERNOR IN A MATTER OF HOURS , SOMEHOW POSESSES SOME
INHERENT WISDOM IN , REGARDING THE MATTERS OF TERRI SCHIAVO , THAT
COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ASCERTAINED BY THE JUSTICES OF THIS STATE IN OVER
A SIX -YEAR PERIOD , AND

JUSTICE WELLS : LET'S APPROACH THAT.ARE YOU SUGGESTING

JUSTICE LEWIS : LET'S ADDRESS THAT . WE HAVE NUMEROUS CHILDREN IN
THIS STATE THAT CANNOT MAKE DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES. ARE YOU
SUGGESTING THAT THE LEGISLATURE CANNOT COME IN AND PLACE SAFEGUARDS
TO PROTECT THE WELL-BEING AND THE VIRTUAL LIFE OF THESE DISABLED
CHILDREN?

ABSOLUTELY NOT, BUT TERRI SCHIAVO , TERRI SCHIAVO WAS A COMPETENT
ADULT, WHO EXPRESSED MEDICAL TREATMENT CHOICES .

JUSTICE LEWIS : YOU ARE GOING INTO PROCEDURE. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT
THE LEGISLATURE COULD NOT PROHIBIT THIS KIND OF PROCEDURE , THAT YOU
MUST HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING , YOU MUST HAVE A PROCEDURE OTHER THAN
SOMEONE'S FRIEND COMING IN AND EXPRESSING WHAT THIS EVENING THE
PERSON WANTS? WE DIDN'T HAVE THE TESTIMONYOF MS. SCHIAVO IN THIS
CASE , DID WE? IT WAS ALL TESTIMONY OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

JUSTICE LEWIS : AND THAT WOULD NOT ALWAYS BE THE CASE , WOULD IT
NOT , WITH INCOMPETENCE OF DISABLED CHILDREN IN THIS STATE?

YOUR HONOR, IF THE LEGISLATURE AMENDED CHAPTER 765 AND SAID WE ARE
NOT GOING TO PERMIT REMOVAL OF ARTIFICIAL LIFE-SUPPORT , UNLESS
SOMEBODY HAS A WRITTEN ADVANCE DIRECTIVE, NO, THAT LAW WOULD BE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BECAUSE THIS COURT HAS DECLARED, IN THE BROWNING
CASE THAT , IN ORDER T O , IN ORDER TO RECOGNIZE AND IMPLEMENT AN
INDIVIDUAL 'S RIGHT OF PRIVACY , ORAL DECLARATIONS ARE SUFFICIENT TO
ESTABLISH, AS LONG AS THEY ARE BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE, THE
INTENT O F THE PATIENT, SO SUCH A LEGISLATIVE ENACTMENT IN THAT
CASE , IN MY OPINION WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL .

JUSTICE LEWIS : SO YOUR ARGUMENT IS THE LEGISLATURE WOULD ACT
CONTRARY TO THE WAY A JUDICIAL SYSTEM HAS INTERPRETED A PRIVACY
RIGHT. THAT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL BASIS OF YOUR ARGUMENT THEN.

I WOULD SAY , YOUR HONOR , THAT THE BROWNING CASE PROVIDES THE
MINIMUM RIGHT OF PRIVACY THAT A PATIENT IS ENTITLED TO. AND THE
LEGISLATURE MAY CERTAINLY LEGISLATE I N THE FIELD , TO PROTECT THE
PUBLIC AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT OF PRIVACY IS HE HAVE HE CAN
WAITED , BUT IS EFFECTUATE!!ED , BUT THEY CAN'T FALL BELOW THAT
MINIMUM.

CHIEF JUSTICE: IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE SUPREME COURT AND THE JURY DID
IN THE CRUSE CASE, THEY DECIDED THAT THE TESTIMONY OF A NEIGHBOR WAS
NOT CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE OF THE PERSON'S WISHES , SO I
MEAN , IF WE ARE , AND PROBABLY WE MAY BE GETTING A LITTLE FAR AFIELD
OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IN THIS CASE , BUT , BECAUSE THE ISSUE
ISN'T WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE COULD ENACT SOMETHING MUCH MORE
COMPREHENSIVE , TO BETTER ADDRESS THIS TYPE OF SITUATION, WHICH IS ,
YOU KNOW , TRAGIC FOR EVERYBODY, SO COULD YOU GET BACK TO THE ISSUE
ON , WITH THE SEPARATION O F POWERS , COULD THE LEGISLATURE, IF THIS
WASN'T TERRI SCHIAVO , WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE FACIAL CHALLENGE ,
WHAT IS WRONG WITH WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID, IN THIS CASE , AS FAR AS
GIVING THIS POWER TO STAY FOR ONE TIME , THE WITHHOLDING O F
HYDRATION , ON A ONE-TIME BASIS?

ASIDE FROM THE INTRUSION INTO THE JUDICIARY , WHICH IS THE SEPARATION
OF POWERS VIOLATION , AS APPLIED TO TERRI SCHIAVO .

CHIEF JUSTICE: THE APPLIED CHALLENGE.

AS A FACIAL CHALLENGE , THERE ARE TWO, THE IMPERMISSIBLE LEGISLATIVE
DELEGATION , AS YOUR HONOR MENTIONED. THERE ARE NO STANDARDS. NOW ,
THE TEST FOR IMPERMISSIBLE DELEGATION OF LEGISLATION IS THIS,
COULDTHE COURT, IN REVIEWING A DECISION , BE ABLE TO ASCERTAIN
WHETHER THE DECISION-MAKER ACTED WITH INDISCRETION OR ABUSED
DISCRETION AND THAT STATUTEFAILS IN THIS WAY, IF THERE WERE JUDICIAL
REVIEW PERMITTED , AND OF COURSE THERE IS NO JUDICIAL REVIEW SO THAT
COULD NEVER OCCUR IN THIS CASE, BUT IF THERE WERE JUDICIAL REVIEW,
HOW WOULD WE EVER KNOW, HOW COULD W E EVEN BEGIN TO MAKE THAT
DETERMINATION , WHEN WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE BASIS FORTHE
GOVERNOR'S DECISION IS , BECAUSE HE IS NOT REQUIRED UNDER THIS ACT,
TO TELL US THE BASIS O F HIS DECISION .

JUSTICE CANTERO : WELL , CAN YOU ADDRESS THE GOVERNOR'S ARGUMENTS,
YOUR COUNSEL 'S ARGUMENTS , THATYOU HAVE TO READ THIS ACT IN
CONJUNCTION WITH PARI MATERIA WITH THE ACT IN 765 AND 744 AND THOSE
PROVIDE THE GUIDELINES.

THAT DOCTRINE , YOUR HONOR , ONLY PERTAINS TO SITUATIONS WHERE THERE
IS AMBIGUITY IN THE STATUTE. THIS COURT HELD, IN HOLLY VERSUS ALD ,
THAT VERSUS AULD THAT, IF THERE IS NO FACIAL AMBIGUITY IN THE
STATUTE, THAT THIS COURT CAN'T RESORT TO THAT TYPE OF STATUTORY
INTERPRETATION, SO THAT DOCTRINE DOESN'T APPLYHERE. WE ARE NOT
TALKING ABOUT A N AMBIGUOUS STATUTE THIS. STATUTE IS CRYSTAL
CLEARWHAT IT DOES. IT GIVES THE GOVERNOR UNFETTERED AND ABSOLUTE
AUTHORITY , AND , BUT T O FOLLOW THAT , EVEN IF THERE WERE, EVEN IF
THE GOVERNOR DID TELL US OR COULD B E COMPELLED TO TELL US WHAT THE
BASIS OF HIS DECISION WAS , THERE IS NO STANDARDS TO APPLY. HOW DO WE
KNOW WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE WANTED THE GOVERNOR TO CONSIDER THE COST
BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR PROVIDING MEDICAL TREATMENT? HOW DO WE KNOW
WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE WANTED THE GOVERNOR TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
FAMILY WISHES, RATHER THAN THE WISHES OF THE PATIENT. HOW ARE WE T O
KNOW WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE WANTED THE GOVERNOR TO ACT IN THE BEST
INTEREST OF THE PATIENT , AS OPPOSED TO DETERMINING THE SUBJECTIVE
INTENT OF THE PATIENT .

JUSTICE QUINCE : BASED O N THIS STATUTE, CAN ANYONE LIFT THIS STAY?
CAN THIS STAY B E LIFTED?

NO ONE STANDING HERE.

CHIEF JUSTICE: WAS THERE ANY ATTEMPT TO DO THAT IN THE PROCEEDINGS
BELOW? TO HAVE THE STAY LIFTED, O R WAS IT ONLY AN ATTACK ON THE
CONSTITUTIONALITY ?

ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY , YOUR HONOR. YOUR HONOR , I DON'T BELIEVE
THE STATUTE PROVIDES ANY MECHANISM, TO HAVE THE GOVERNOR'S DECISION
REVIEWED .

JUSTICE QUINCE : SO WHAT IS THE POINT, THEN , O F THAT PART OF THE
ACT WHICH SAYS THAT YOU, THEN , APPOINT INTA GUARDIAN , WHO APPOINT A
GUARDIAN, WHO REPORTS O R MAKES RECOMMENDATION TO SAY THE GOVERNOR
AND THE COURT?

I BELIEVE THE STATUTE SAYS IT MAKES RECOMMENDATION TO SAY THE
GOVERNOR. IN TERMS OF POWER AND AUTHORITY , THERE IS NO POINT. WE
DON'T KNOW , WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE GOVERNOR READ THE REPORT OR
DIDN'T READ THE REPORT OR , IF HE DID READ THE REPORT , TOOK IT INTO
CONSIDERATION OR YOUKNOW, PICKED IT UP AND TOSSED IT AWAY . SO AS FAR
AS THE STATUTE , ITSELF, IT CHANGES NOTHING AS TO THE IMPERMISSIBLE
DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY. BUT I, ALSO, SINCE I ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES
LIFT LEFT , YOUR HONOR , WANT TWOMINUTES LEFT, YOUR HONOR , WANTED TO
ADDRESS THE FACIAL UNCONSTITUTIONALITY , REGARDING THE RIGHT OF
PRIVACY. AND I TOUCHED ON THIS BEFORE. THE ESSENTIAL ISSUE HERE , IS
WHO IS ENTITLED TO MAKE ADECISION ON A MATTER SO PERSONAL AND PRIVATE
AS WHETHER ONE WOULD WANT ARTIFICIAL LIFE-SUPPORT? DOES THAT POWER
CONSTITUTIONALLY , RESIDE WITH THE PATIENT, OR DOES THAT POWER RESIDE
WITH THE STATE ?

JUSTICE CANTERO : DO YOU AGREE THAT, IF WE HOLD THAT THE STATUTE IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AS A VIOLATION OF SEPARATION POUF POWERS OR AT O F
SEPARATION OF POWERS OR AT LEAST AS APPLIED TO TERRI SCHIAVO, IT IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IT IS NOT GOING TO APPLY TO ANYBODY ELSE, SO BY
HOLDING UNCONSTITUTIONALLY AS IT IS APPLIED , WE ARE REALLY HOLDING
IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL FACIALLY AS WELL , PRACTICALLY SPEAKING. IT IS
NOT GOING TO APPLY TO ANYBODY ELSE, IS IT?

IT IS NOT GOING TO APPLY TO ANOTHER CASE , BUT WE WOULD ASK THIS
COURT SPECIFICALLY TO FIND THAT IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS APPLIED TO
TERRI SCHIAVO , BECAUSE IT IS A UNLAWFUL INTRUSION INTO JUDICIAL
POWER, FOR THIS REASON, IF THIS COURT ONLY FOUND THE STATUTE FACIAL
LY UNCONSTITUTIONAL, LET'S SAY , FOR IMPROPER DELEGATION OF
LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY , WE DON'T WANT , AND THOSE NOT T O ADDRESS THE
AS-APPLIED SEPARATION OF POWER ARGUMENT , WE DON'T WANT TO BE HERE A
YEAR FROM NOW , ARGUING THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OR UNCONSTITUTIONALITY
O F TERRI 'S LAW TWO. THIS YOUNG WOMAN HAS A RIGHTTO HAVE HER FINAL
ADJUDICATION HONORED BY THE COURTS OF FLORIDA. THIS UNLAWFUL
INTRUSION INTO THAT RIGHT , SHOULD BE OVERTURNED AND DEFINTIVELY
OVERTURNED, S O HER RIGHT TO PRIVACY CAN BE EFFECTED. THANK YOU.

CHIEF JUSTICE: THANK YOU .

MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT. I AM KEN CONNOR WITH THE FIRM OF WILKES AND
McCUE , AND I , ALONG WITH PROFESSOR DECEMBER STRO DESTROWWITH THE
GOVERNOR , APPEAR WITHIN THIS ACTION .

JUSTICE LEWIS : THE CLASSIFICATION APPLIES TO ONLY ONE PERSON?

JUDGE , THE FACT THAT IT PLAY MAYE APPLY TO ONLY ONE PERSON DOESN'T
MAKE IT A SPECIAL ACT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POTENTIAL PEOPLE WHO
COULD FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE ACT, IF THEY MEET THE CRITERIA,
THAT IS THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ADVANCED WRITTEN DIRECTIVE , THEY HAVE
BEEN DEEMED TO BE IN A PERSISTENT VEGETATIVE STATE , NUTRITION AND
HYDRATION ARE BEING WITHHELD AND THE FAMILY HAS A CHALLENGE. IF THEY
MEET THIS CRITERIA , THEY - -

JUSTICE WELLS : THE COURT HAS FOUND THE PATIENT TO BE IN A PERSISTENT
VEGETATIVE STATE , AND THE PATIENT'SFAMILY HAS CHALLENGED THE
WITHHOLDING OF HYDRATION ANNUITY RIGS. YOU ARE NOT ASKING US TOREALLY
HOLD THAT THIS ACT DOESN'T PERTAIN JUST TO TERRI SCHIAVO .

BY THE FACE OF IT, YOUR HONOR, IT DOES APPLY TO MORE THAN JUST
TERRI . TERRI SCHIAVO'S CASE WAS THE TRIGGERING EVENT FOR IT. WE SEE
THAT ALL OF THE TIME,IN THE LEGISLATURE.

JUSTICE WELLS : WE WOULD HAVE TO IGNORE REALITY TO DO THAT , WOULDN'T
W E NOT?

THE FACT , JUDGE, THAT WE HAVE MAY GO AND'S LAW , THE FACT THAT WE
HAVE SPECIFIC SITUATIONS INVOLVING PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS THAT
TRIGGER THE NEED FOR LEGISLATIVE RELIEF .

JUSTICE WELLS : BUT THESE DON'T INVOLVE PARTICULAR CASES FOR RELIEF.
THAT IS WHERE I AM HAVING TROUBLE WITH THIS ACT. WHEN I READ THIS
ACT , OBJECTIVELY, I CANNOT COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT DOESN'T
PERTAIN TO THIS SINGLE CASE THAT HAS BEEN IN LITIGATION FOR A
DECADE , AND THAT WHAT IS GOING O N HERE , IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE
SETABOUT TO SET ASIDE WHAT THE FINAL JUDGMENT OF THE COURT PERTAINING
TO THAT CASE!

WITHOUT A DOUBT , YOURHONOR , IT DOES APPLY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE,
TO TERRI SCHIAVO , BECAUSE SHE MET THE CRITERIA. THERE ARE OTHERS
WHO , LIKEWISE, COULD MEET THE CRIES EAR YEAH. CRITERIA. IT DOES
NOT , I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT , INVOLVE A FINAL REVERSAL OF A JUDGMENT
OF A CIRCUIT COURT , PRECISELY FOR THE REASONS INDICATED BY JUDGE
BELL IN SCHIAVO TWO, WHERE THE COURT MADE THE POINT THAT THESE ORDERS
ARE ENTIRELY EXECUTOR I , AS LONG AS THE - - EXECTORY, AS LONG AS THE
WARD IS ALIVE THEORD ZR SUBJECT T O RECALL AND IS EXECUTIVE IN
NATURE. THE MANDATE OF THE ORDER HADBEEN COMPLIED WITH. THE ORDER WAS
NOT THAT TERRI SCHIAVO SHOULD HAVE NUTRITION AND HYDRATION WITHDRAWN
UNTIL SHE WASDEAD. IT WASN'T LIKE AN ORDER THAT SAID SO-AND-SO SHOULD
B E HANGED BY THE NECK UNTIL SHE IS DEAD.

CHIEF JUSTICE: THE COURT WENT ON AND SPECIFICALLY SAID, BECAUSE THEY
UNDERSTOOD THAT THE CHALLENGE WAS BEING RAISED MORE THAN ONE YEAR
AFTER , AND THEY WERE REALLY TRYING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
SCHINDLERS HAD SOME OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THIS NEW CLAIM THAT THERE
MIGHT BE SOME NEW LIFE-SAVING TREATMENT, AND WHAT THECOURT, THEN ,
SAID, IS WE CAUTION , HOWEVER, THAT ANY PROCEEDING TO A CHALLENGE O F
A FINAL ORDER ON THIS BASIS , IS EXTRAORDINARY AND SHOULD NOT BE
FILED MERELY TO DELAY AN ORDER WITH WHICH AN INTEREST TED PARTY
DISAGREES OR TO RETRY AN ADVERSARY PROCEEDING, AND THE MECHANISM THEY
SET UP WAS RULE 1.540-B-5, WHICH IS FOR CHALLENGES TO FINAL
JUDGMENTS , SO WE MUST , YOU KNOW, TO TAKE ONE LINE OUT OF A ONE
OPINION THAT , AND THERE IS A SERIES OF FOUR OPINIONS, REALLY, IS NOT
THECORRECT WAY TO LOOK AT THIS.

WELL , YOUR HONOR , UNQUESTIONABLY, THIS LANGUAGE AROSE IN THE
CONTEXT O F 1.540 CHALLENGE , BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT THAT IS
THE NATURE OF GUARDIANSHIP ORDERS. THEY ARE EXECTORY, UNTIL THE
DISABILITY IS REMOVED .

CHIEF JUSTICE: SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE FOR THEY ARE REVIEWED AS
NONFINAL ORDERS, AND ANY INTERESTED PARTY , YEAR AFTER YEAR , CAN
COME IN AND MAKE CHALLENGES?

NO, MA'AM. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THE COURTS DO NOT POSSESS THE
EXCLUSIVE DOMAIN TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF DISABLED PEOPLE AND TO
ENSURE THAT THEIR HEALTH CARE CHOICES ARE RESPECTED AND PROTECTED ,
THAT THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE LEGISLATURE.THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE
GOVERNOR.

CHIEF JUSTICE: ARE WE IGNORING IN THIS LAW, WHICH AGAIN , DIDN'T
BECOME A PART OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE CHAPTER LAW IN THE SESSION THAT
SUCCEEDED THE LAW , WAS A 15-DAY SUNSET. IT APPLIED TO WHOEVER WAS I
N THIS SITUATION FOR 15 DAYS , AND THEN THIS GREAT PROTECTION THAT
THE LEGISLATURE WANTED TO GIVE , EXPIRED , AND HAS NOT BEEN RENEWED .

YOUR HONOR , THAT DEMONSTRATES, I THINK , HOW THIS LAW IN FACT, WAS
NARROWLY TAILORED. THE LEGISLATURE WANTED TO SEE HOW IT WORKED. THEY
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TWEAK IT. MY TIME IS UP, YOUR HONORS. I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COURT RECOGNIZETHAT THERE IS A ROLE FOR
THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR IN PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF THE
DISABLED , AND ENSURE !!ING THAT THEIR HEALTH CARE DECISIONS ARE
RESPECTED AND PROTECTED.THANK YOU.

CHIEF JUSTICE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES THE ARGUMENTS. THE
COURT WILL TAKE A SHORT RECESS, BEFORE CALLING THE NEXT CASE , AND WE
WOULD ASK , OUT OF DEFERENCE TO THE PARTIES, THAT, BEFORE THE REST OF
THE COURTROOM MOUNTAINS, THAT THE ATTORNEYS AND THE - - COURTROOM I S
EMPTIED , THAT THE ATTORNEYS AND PARTIES BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE
COURTROOM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

----- Original Message -----
From: melissa roxanne
To: Gordon W Watts ; Jackie@... ; Joe and Margaret
Juneman ; Linda Kennedy ; Lisa Ruby ; Mary from fla ; Kate Adamson ;
Ron Panzer ; tips@... ; Paul prisonplanetcom
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: FL SUPREME CT. HEARING TRANSCRIPT / VIDEO ON TERRI'S LAW 8-
31-04


Transcript:
http://www.wfsu.org/gavel2gavel/transcript/04-925.htm

Real Video:
http://www.wfsu.org/rafiles/archives/04-925.ram

I was on Jackie Patru's online, shortwave, and satellite broadcast on
Monday, 9-27-04, Tuesday, 9-28-04, and will be on again tonight,
Wednesday, 9-29-04.  I will be talking about new info. and much
more.  This new info. could perhaps save Terri's life if we could get
enough publicity about it.  Terri has a treatable medical condition
called Hydrocephalus, which can be caused by trauma to the head
(causedby Michael Schiavo on Feb. 25, 1990)!  If there is treatment
for Terri that could help her, there is something called
Rule 1.540-B-5 that was brought up in the FL Supreme Ct. Oral
Arguments on 8-31-04 that may get Terri a new trial if we can get
publicity about this!

I will be posting info. here regarding all of this asap!  Please
check back!


http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/

Melissa Roxanne Stanley will be on Jackie Patru's Sweet Liberty radio
broadcast Wednesday, 9/29/04 at 9:00 pm EDT.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/audio/

SCROLL DOWN TO LISTEN LIVE AND CLICK ON EAR


Scroll down to Listen Live! New Bombshell information to save Terri's
life: Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus: Probably Due to Head Injury

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

Transcript of Larry King Live Mon. 9/27/04 Bob & Mary Schindler
(Terri's Parents) &  Attny David C. Gibbs III

I will try to add my comments to this transcript in a future post as
soon as I can get to it.

If this gets cut off due to the length, look for the next part on my
next post.

SaveTerrisLife (Melissa Roxanne)


http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/27/lkl.00.html

Transcript of Larry King Live Mon. 9/27/04 Bob & Mary Schindler
(Terri's Parents) &  Attny David C. Gibbs III

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler

Aired September 27, 2004 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND
MAY BE UPDATED.


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, exclusive. In their first live interview
together since the Florida Supreme Court struck down the law keeping
their brain-damaged daughter alive, Terri Schiavo's parents, Mary and
Robert Schindler, speak out, on their life and death battle with
their son-in-law over the fate of their own flesh and blood. An
intense, emotional hour. Mary and Robert Schindler, exclusive, and
next on LARRY KING LIVE.
Get you up to date -- joining us, by the way, is David Gibbs. He's
also based in St. Petersburg, the attorney for the Schindlers. All
three flew out to be with us in Los Angeles.

Last week, the Florida Supreme Court unanimously, unanimously struck
down the state law that empowered Governor Jeb Bush to order Terri
Schiavo's feeding tube reinserted. Terri's feeding tube had been
removed at the behest of her husband. The GOP-controlled Florida
legislature then met in emergency session, passed a special law, and
it was that law that the Florida Supreme Court overturned.

Terri Schiavo, then age 26, collapsed at home on February 25, 14
years ago, 1990, when her heart temporarily stopped beating. A
temporary cut-off of oxygen to her brain left her brain damaged. She
is now 40 years old, and currently being cared for in a hospice.

On Thursday, there will be a hearing on the Schindlers' motion
challenging Michael's guardianship of Terri, and seeking to uphold
her religious liberty rights. By the way, Michael was with us on this
program October 27 of last year, and on some of the breaks you'll see
certain clips.

Where is the case right now, David?

DAVID GIBBS, SCHINDLERS' ATTORNEY: Thursday, we're going to go before
the judge, Larry, and we're going to ask for Terri's constitutional,
First Amendment rights to be protected. Very interestingly, after the
governor and the legislature passed what became known as Terri's Law,
the pope addressed this issue, speaking for Roman Catholics
nationwide, and said that withholding of food and water is not an
extraordinary medical act, and as good, practicing Catholic it would
be imperative that that be given as a natural course of taking care
of people. We're going to be before the court on Thursday asking the
judge to uphold not just Terri's religious liberty rights, but really
the religious liberty rights of all people.

KING: So this is a change from the law that they struck down? GIBBS:
A huge change. The law they struck down was where the governor
stepped in and he said through the legislature, I will be Terri's
guardian. And what the Florida Supreme Court said is, no, we believe
the courts have already looked at this, and on separation of powers
grounds struck they struck down Terri's Law.

KING: So you are now going this other route.

GIBBS: Yes, sir.

KING: How did you hear, Robert, about the Supreme Court's decision?
Where were you?

ROBERT SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S FATHER: I was home, and Mary was
working at the time. And our attorney -- another attorney called me
and advised me.

KING: Were you shocked?

R. SCHINDLER: Well, I was not shocked. And I had a somewhat of a sick
feeling in my stomach. I made the analogy would be like Barry Bonds
hitting a 500-foot home run in dead center field, and the umpire
calling it a foul ball. So that's how I felt.

KING: Do you think you have a good chance on Thursday with this new
idea, new motion?

R. SCHINDLER: I would hope so. I think we have very professional
attorneys, and they're putting a lot of time and effort into this.

KING: Mary, why do you want to keep Terri alive?

MARY SCHINDLER, MOTHER OF TERRI SCHIAVO: Why do I want to keep Terri
alive?

KING: In the condition, you know, we've seen her in, which she's been
in for all these years?

M. SCHINDLER: But Terri is not in the condition that they portray
her. Terri is a -- she's a happy, healthy -- I mean, she's healthy.
She's brain damaged, but she's healthy.

KING: She doesn't communicate, does she?

M. SCHINDLER: Yes, she does.

KING: How?

M. SCHINDLER: She tries very hard to talk to me. She tries. There's a
therapist, a speech therapist in Chicago that said that Terri, her
tapes of Terri that we took tapes, she's talking, but she just needs
some help with her vocal chords to get them, you know, where she can
form words.

KING: If all that's true, David, why not, if she can -- trying to
form words, if she appears happy, what's the problem?

GIBBS: What the problem is in this case is, Terri's husband, Michael,
is her guardian. And he has gone and gotten doctors to say that she's
in this persistent vegetative state, which in they're opinion means
that therapy is not going to help her. She's not brain dead, Larry.
It's very important to understand that distinction. A lot of people
get the idea that she's on a respirator, a ventilator. She's being
kept alive by machines.

KING: She's not.

GIBBS: Absolutely not. She's a totally...

KING: With brain dead, you'd probably favor letting someone go.

GIBBS: You could certainly argue that that would be appropriate,
because the machines are just keeping her alive. In this case,
Terri's alive. She's actually very spunky. She has kept herself alive
when feeding tubes and others have been removed.

And what has to happen is she cannot swallow. And so she needs food
and water assistance. And what the guardian is pushing for is to
remove that food and water and have her starve to death.

KING: And you're saying that's denying her constitutional rights,
even though she can't say it for herself?

GIBBS: Absolutely. We're stepping into Terri's shoes and saying that
that's taking away her rights to freedom of religion, as well as
life.

KING: If the situation is as you say it is, Robert, why is Michael
opposed?

R. SCHINDLER: That's a good question. We can't understand that.

KING: Were you ever close, you and Michael?

R. SCHINDLER: Initially, when this happened to Terri, Mary and
Michael were joined at the hip. And everything seemed to be going
proper until the malpractice medical...

KING: He filed a malpractice suit?

R. SCHINDLER: He filed for $20 million, and he was awarded a
million/four, plus another $250,000 in another settlement. And that
money was going to be for Terri's rehabilitation.

KING: You weren't opposed to the suit then, Mary?

M. SCHINDLER: No. No. Because...

KING: You feel that wrong things were done to Terri in the hospital,
wherever it happened, in the hospital, I guess, right?

M. SCHINDLER: Wrong things were done? KING: You think he had a
rightful suit?

M. SCHINDLER: Absolutely, absolutely, he had a rightful suit. But
after the money came in, then he wouldn't do anything.

KING: And what...

M. SCHINDLER: She hasn't had any therapy in over 12 years.

KING: What reason did Michael give you for changing his mind?

R. SCHINDLER: All he told me, I'm her husband, I make all decisions.

KING: That's all he said?

R. SCHINDLER: That was it.

M. SCHINDLER: That was that.

KING: What did he say to you, you were joined at the hip?

M. SCHINDLER: We were.

KING: What did he say to you?

M. SCHINDLER: He said, this is my wife, I will make the decisions,
and you have nothing to say about it.

KING: Do you see some hidden motive on Michael's part? Is there a
will? Is there...

R. SCHINDLER: Well, at one time, there was a tremendous amount of
money he would have inherited had she died. But that's since been
spent on the attorneys who are pursuing her death.

KING: So what's his point now?

R. SCHINDLER: It's a good question.

M. SCHINDLER: We don't know.

R. SCHINDLER: The most logical thing, we were just discussing it,
that we've had 8-year-old children who have found out about Terri's
case and they're asking the same question. Why would this man not,
you know, give Terri back to her parents? And that's...

KING: In other words, if he wanted to live, go on with his life.

M. SCHINDLER: He should...

KING: Perfectly understandably, he wanted to get divorced...

M. SCHINDLER: Right.

KING: ... wanted to remarry. M. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: Why not let her...

M. SCHINDLER: He has two children. That's right. I want her. I'm her
mother. I love her. Even if, you know, I would love to give her
therapy, but if I couldn't, she's just -- I'll take her home with me
now and take care of her for the rest of my life.

KING: David, if they're willing to do this and Michael's not in this
for any -- there's no more money to get, right?

GIBBS: That's correct. All the money's gone.

KING: All the money's gone. Excuse me. So what on Earth could be his
motive? He could leave, couldn't he?

GIBBS: That's the question everybody is asking.

KING: Anybody would grant him a divorce in this situation he's in?

GIBBS: He could relinquish his guardianship and say, I'm not in
charge of Terri anymore. He could file for divorce. We need to
understand, he has a girlfriend, he has two children. He's moved on
years ago with his life. And the Schindlers are saying, as mom and
dad, we don't want anything except our daughter. And we want to take
care of her. They had committed that they would do anything, if they
could just take their daughter home, they'll personally pay for that.
And why Michael won't let them do that, it's unimaginable. Young
children don't understand why he won't do that.

KING: We'll take a break. We'll be back with more. We'll be including
your calls. This is the first live appearance together of the
Schindlers since the decision of the Florida Supreme Court. David
Gibbs, their attorney, is with them.

Thursday night is the first of the presidential debates. We will
follow it at 8:00 Pacific time, 11:00 Eastern time. And among our
panelists will be two people who debated both of the participants,
former Governor William Weld of Massachusetts who had debates with
John Kerry; former Governor Ann Richards of Texas, who had debates
with George Bush. So both will be on Thursday night to look at people
they've debated. It's Thursday night, 11:00 Eastern. We'll be right
back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

M. SCHINDLER: Put your head back. Is that OK? Huh? How you feel? How
do you feel? How do you feel? How do you feel? Huh? What? That's my
girl.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL SCHIAVO, TERRI SCHIAVO'S HUSBAND: Her father and mother came
into the room and closed the door. And they asked the big question,
how much money am I going to get? I told him he wasn't going to get
any money.

KING: Out of the malpractice...

SCHIAVO: Out of the malpractice suit. Then he argued with me a little
while and then he pointed at Terri in her wheelchair and he
says, "how much am I going to get from her money?" And I said, "you
have to go talk to the courts about that."

KING: She got money, too?

SCHIAVO: Yes, Terri got money. From there it blew up, he wanted to go
out in the hall and have a fistfight. It was crazy. It was a little
crazy.

KING: Did it shock you?

SCHIAVO: No. Because he always wanted the money.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Robert? Pretty damning stuff.

R. SCHINDLER: I know it is. It's kind of a smoke screen, the argument
that I had with Mr. Schiavo was for Terri's rehabilitation. Prior to
when the malpractice money came in we had a neurologist come in and
state that Terri could improve if she received some progressive
therapy. He promised before the malpractice trial that he would see
to that, see that would happen. When the money came in and he
received it, I think it was in January, he confined Terri to a
nursing home, he did not give her the advanced therapy. I had been
literally pleading with him, please.

KING: So that's what the argument was?

R. SCHINDLER: That's what it was about.

KING: You weren't making money?

R. SCHINDLER: No. It was about using...

M. SCHINDLER: We was supposed to go to Shands Hospital. He promised
us.

KING: Shands in Jacksonville?

M. SCHINDLER: Shands Hospital in Gainesville. That's where Terri
would go after he got the malpractice money. That's what the argument
was about. That's what Bob asked him for. Michael, please...

KING: So he was lying? M. SCHINDLER: Michael, please, are we going to
Gainesville?

KING: Where is she right now?

M. SCHINDLER: In a hospice. In Clearwater, Florida.

KING: With cancer patients and the like.

R. SCHINDLER: Everyone by her, they're all dying.

KING: She's in a room?

M. SCHINDLER: A four by four little room.

KING: Does she go out?

M. SCHINDLER: Never. She's not allowed.

KING: Do you get to see her?

R. SCHINDLER: We do now. There were times when we were prohibited
from seeing her.

M. SCHINDLER: Fifty days, we went without seeing her.

R. SCHINDLER: And we were banned from seeing our daughter. My
children had been banned from seeing her by the husband.

KING: And all the people working for you, the doctors and the others
are doing this gratis?

David, you're working for nothing?

GIBBS: That's correct.

KING: Why?

GIBBS: Because there's big issues involved, Larry. When you look at
the rights of a mom and dad to try to protect the life of their own
daughter, when you look at religious liberty rights, all people of
all faith, I'm a Baptist, the Schindlers are Catholic, people could
be Jewish or whatever faith. When we watch the state come in and try
to impose their belief on people that violates their religious
teaching, that's a huge concern.

And when you look at this, in this country, if you have law, one of
the core tenets of the founding fathers was to protect life. If we're
going to live in a country that says life is throw away, you can
dispose of the people that don't matter anymore, the disabled, you
look at people that say economically, these people can't contribute.
But I believe there's a God who puts those people in this world for
distinct reason, a purpose, a calling, and to let people come in and
say some people aren't worth living, that's a battle that we'll
fight.

KING: Do you know she's not in pain?

M. SCHINDLER: No. You know.

KING: She could be in pain?

M. SCHINDLER: She's in pain when she gets like the time of the month.
I mean, she's not in pain otherwise.

KING: You know that there's no need to give her morphine?

M. SCHINDLER: No.

KING: There's no pain involved in this illness?

R. SCHINDLER: She expresses pain. She'll let you know when she's
hurting or...

M. SCHINDLER: They give her Tylenol.

R. SCHINDLER: An example, the...

KING: She gets headaches?

GIBBS: That's correct.

R. SCHINDLER: The caretakers tell us that when they do put her in a
chair and they will say, Terri's been in the chair too long, we have
to put her back in bed because she lets us know she's been in the
chair too long.

KING: Does her husband see her a lot?

R. SCHINDLER: I have no idea.

KING: Do you talk to him at all? You'll see him in court Thursday,
right? Will he be in court Thursday?

R. SCHINDLER: Probably not. He sends his lawyers. They would be glad
to talk to him but he refuses to speak other than through his legal
counsel.

KING: Did you know you had a tough case with the Florida supreme
court?

GIBBS: Yes, sir. And please realize, we tried to intervene into that
case on behalf of Bob and Mary and we were denied that opportunity
and so the governor was defending the law. We were cooperating with
his lawyers but we weren't actually in that case. But a lot of legal
scholars were concerned that what the legislature did might create
constitutional trouble. Now we have real profound gratitude because
if it weren't for the legislators, if it weren't for the governor, if
it weren't for the hundreds of thousands of Florida citizens who
said, you know, Terri is a life worth protecting, Terri's Law would
have been passed and we wouldn't have had these opportunities to
raise these issues...

KING: The court wasn't saying she shouldn't live, the court was
saying the governor had no right to do what he did? GIBBS: That's
correct. It was on pure constitutional principles.

KING: And that's what they're there for.

GIBBS: Yes, sir.

KING: Call me Larry.

GIBBS: I will.

KING: So that was the grounds. Do you think you're on solid ground
Thursday?

GIBBS: I believe so. Because what the court says if there's any
significant change in circumstance that the courts are obligated to
look at this situation. When you have someone's faith and the highest
elected leader of that religion says it would be inappropriate, it
would be wrong, it would be morally obligatory to give food and water
to this individual, and when the courts look at that, I think they're
going to have to deal with that issue and we're very hopeful.

KING: But this pope has also said it's morally wrong to have capital
punishment and states still do that so...

GIBBS: But we're walking behind the First Amendment that says in this
country your religious liberty needs to be given the highest possible
status. And when someone like Terri can't speak for herself, they
have to, in a measure, look into her mind and say how would she
respond.

KING: Do you have other children, Bob?

R. SCHINDLER: We have two boys. Terri has a brother that's a year
difference, Bobby Junior and Suzanne, who is three years younger.

KING: Are they close?

R. SCHINDLER: Oh, my gosh, yes.

KING: Do they go see her?

M. SCHINDLER: All the time. They're there while we're here.

KING: You were in business in Philadelphia. Is that where Terri grew
up? This was her first marriage?

R. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: There were no children of that marriage?

R. SCHINDLER: No.

KING: So what's it like for you when you see her?

R. SCHINDLER: I think any father or any parent that has a child that
knows that child can be helped and I'm not permitted to do anything
to help her, that breaks my heart.

M. SCHINDLER: It's like that night I watched -- I watched Pat Boone's
grandson on your show for two nights and I'm sitting at home,
thinking that could be my Terri because she could...

KING: He fell through a skylight window and paralyzed and they never
thought he'd...

M. SCHINDLER: They had such therapy for him, wonderful therapy and
that's what Terri was supposed to get. When that lawsuit was settled,
she's supposed to get this intensive therapy.

KING: Do you believe that if that money had been spent on therapy,
she would be better today?

M. SCHINDLER: Absolutely.

R. SCHINDLER: It's not us making...

M. SCHINDLER: Right away. If she'd have got help right away...

R. SCHINDLER: She was improving. She was talking. She was saying, no,
she was saying stop, she was saying mommy.

KING: We'll take a break and be right back with the Schindler's and
David Gibbs, we'll also be including your phone calls on this edition
of LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

R. SCHINDLER: The one eye rolls in on her. Doesn't it? That one eye
rolls in on you? Do you remember that? We used to laugh at that.

Used to get mommy all upset when you did that to her?

You take your eye and let it roll to the side.

You remember?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Did she ever speak since 1990?

SCHIAVO: Terri has never has spoke a word.

KING: So, various types of rehab conducted?

SCHIAVO: Right. When I brought her back from California, I put her in
a rehab called Mediplex in Bradenton, Florida. They deal only with
head injury, spine injury patients. They worked extensively. They had
physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy, recreational
therapy. They worked extensively with Terri.

KING: Nothing?

SCHIAVO: Nothing. Her mother and father were there and they heard
this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Is that true, Mary?

M. SCHINDLER: That's true. Absolutely. It's not true what he's saying
about nothing. She was improving. I was with him every day. We went
to classes to learn how to help Terri. She was saying, no, she was
saying stop, she was saying mom.

R. SCHINDLER: It's in her medical records she was improving.

M. SCHINDLER: It's in her medical records at Mediplex.

R. SCHINDLER: That's kind of a...

KING: Did she fall? What happened? Was she injured?

GIBBS: They don't know, Larry, exactly what happened, but there was
severe...

KING: Who was with her?

GIBBS: She was home alone with just Michael, and there was a severe
deprivation of oxygen from the brain. What caused that deprivation no
one knows. But for a period her brain was oxygen starved and that
created the damage.

KING: The doctors guessed?

GIBBS: What they talked about was a strange potassium deficiency or
other things, but it really is anybody's guess. And the Schindler's
have had doctors who offered to review all the records and to go back
and really try to recreate what happened on that night to help others
and the records have been sealed by Michael.

KING: Is that the way Mary looked before the accident?

M. SCHINDLER: Terri.

R. SCHINDLER: No, that's Terri.

KING: Terri. I mean, Terri.

M. SCHINDLER: Yes. That's the way -- yes.

KING: Let's take a call up Alabama. Hello.

CALLER: Hello. Yes, I lost a son eight years ago in a car accident,
and I would just like to -- I know how they feel. But I'd like to
know why he doesn't get a divorce and go on with his life and let the
parents have their daughter back.

KING: No one knows the answer.

GIBBS: That's everybody's question. I mean, for little children -- my
daughter walked up to me and said, daddy, why won't he let the mommy
and daddy take care of her.

KING: Now, I must have asked in October, I don't remember, we do a
lot of interviews.

What did he say that night? Why does he want to let her die?

R. SCHINDLER: I know what the standard answer is, he's honoring her
wishes.

KING: Oh. Based on?

R. SCHINDLER: That Terri.

M. SCHINDLER: What she told him.

R. SCHINDLER: Apparently -- well apparently what he said was back
when she was 21-years-old, that she had made an oral end of life
declaration. And...

KING: Were you aware of that?

R. SCHINDLER: No. We never were. It was contrary -- totally contrary

KING: Catholic beliefs.

M. SCHINDLER: And to Terri. She would never...

R. SCHINDLER: It wasn't Terri. And all her girlfriends, everybody
that knew Terri said, Terri would never do that. But the husband made
that claim and then brought his brother and sister-in-law in to
corroborate that.

KING: Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: My heart goes out to the Schindler's and to Terri, and I
support you 100 percent and support Terri as well. I also wanted to
ask the lawyer, are there any cases other than Terri that this has
been documented where there was a patient allowed to starve to death
like this?

Because I think it's horrendous.

KING: David.

GIBBS: Yes. There are cases where people are allowed to make that
choice for themselves, Larry. What happens is they have to have it
clearly spelled out in writing ahead of time. They have to leave a
living will that says, I want the with holding of food and water.
Where it becomes a very big issue, is when there is no written
declaration. And in this instance allegedly, Terri might have at one
time watching TV, said I don't know if I want to live like that. And
to have a court go back in and try to interpret what that means is
very, very difficult.

KING: You're asking for guardianship?

M. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: Why won't he give it?

GIBBS: All they want is their daughter back. They're not asking for
money from him or from anybody, let them take care of their daughter.

M. SCHINDLER: I don't know why.

KING: If. If he said OK, would you let him see her as much as he
wanted?

R. SCHINDLER: Of course.

M. SCHINDLER: Sure.

KING: No doubt about it. So, there's no...

R. SCHINDLER: There's no restriction, no.

M. SCHINDLER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) He can see her when ever he wants.

R. SCHINDLER: All we want from day one is to try and help Terri.
That's all our motivation and our (UNINTELLIGIBLE) .

M. SCHINDLER: Love her.

KING: Colorado Springs, hello.

CALLER: Hello. Yes. My question is if we treat animals this way, it's
called cruel and inhumane treatment. So, that's my question and my
discussion with this whole thing is, -- what I don't understand is
there a possibility her husband is wanting to make additional money,
maybe a book or movie after the fact?

GIBBS: Could well be. Again, the motivation are unknown to us. But
she's absolutely right, if you were to take a dog, you were to take a
horse or some livestock, say we're just going to ignore it, we're not
going to feed it, we're going to not give it water, we're going to
let it die of dehydration...

KING: It would be cruelty to animals.

GIBBS: ... it would be cruelty to animals. You'd be arrested. M.
SCHINDLER: They'd go to prison. But yet Terri can be allowed to
starve to death. You've never seen anything like it, Larry, in your
life, as a mother watching your child starve to death.

R. SCHINDLER: We went through that two times.

M. SCHINDLER: Two times.

KING: When, when they stopped food?

M. SCHINDLER: Both times.

KING: How many days?

M. SCHINDLER: The first time was 60 days. I'm sorry, 60 hours, the
second time was seven days. She is a strong girl.

KING: Did she nearly die in seven days?

M. SCHINDLER: Well, yes, she was close it to.

R. SCHINDLER: But they wouldn't let us in the room by ourselves with
her. There were police outside of her room, there were police in her
room.

M. SCHINDLER: There was Michael's representatives in her room. I
didn't have one second alone with her while she was dying.

KING: This really does sound weird, David?

GIBBS: Yes, sir. Absolutely.

R. SCHINDLER: When Mary went to go to Terri people would literally
jump. The police would move to stop her.

KING: Fearing she'd do what?

R. SCHINDLER: I have no idea.

(CROSSTALK)

GIBBS: They were fearful somebody might actually try to feed her or
keep her alive. I don't know what their fear was, but they were...

R. SCHINDLER: They denied her communion as a Catholic.

KING: They did?

M. SCHINDLER: Yes.

R. SCHINDLER: They would not give her the last rites.

KING: We take a break and be back with more of your phone calls.
Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Open yours up. Open your eyes.
Terri, open your eyes. There you go. Good. Good job! Good job, young
lady! Good job.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SCHIAVO: This is Terri's wish, and I'm going to follow that wish if
it's the last thing I can do for Terri. I love Terri deeply, and I'm
going to follow it up for Terri.

KING: How old was she when this happened?

SCHIAVO: Twenty-five.

KING: A 25-year-old said to you, if I die, if I'm in this kind of
state -- most 25-year-olds wouldn't think of something like that.

SCHIAVO: It was a comment from watching certain programs. She said --
we were watching some programs, and she said, I don't want to -- I
don't want anything artificial like that. I don't want any tubes.
Don't let me live like that. I don't want to be a burden to anybody.
She's also made comments to other people about different stories.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: We are back with Mary and Robert Schindler. They are Terri
Schiavo's parents, and David Gibbs, the attorney for the Schindlers.
A new motion will be introduced on Thursday, counteracting -- well,
not differing with the Florida Supreme Court, just going another
route, dealing with the First Amendment and the recent statements by
the pope speaking out for the first time on this issue of feeding.
The pope was saying in essence that feeding is a medical issue?

GIBBS: What the pope said is providing food and water is not a
medical act. It's not an extraordinary, a life-preserving measure,
and that you have to provide food and water as a clearly decent act.

KING: I see. Not a medical act. It is not a medical act?

GIBBS: That's correct.

KING: Charlotte, North Carolina. By the way, I have got bronchitis,
and that's some of the reasons you hear -- maybe you hear a cough
during the background. I'm hanging tough.

Charlotte -- because that's what we do in this business, right? The
show must go on, or as someone once said, why?

Charlotte, North Carolina, hello.

CALLER: Larry.

KING: Yeah.

CALLER: Thank you for taking my call.

KING: Sure.

CALLER: One brief comment, and then my question. In 1991, my father
was having an operation, and he became brain dead on the table. And
he was put on a trach, and we had to decide eventually if we were
going to remove him, which we did.

My situation is very different from Terri's folks, but still, it
brings back a lot of memories.

KING: Yeah. What's the question?

CALLER: The question is, I noticed that she opened her eyes -- it was
very, very hard for her to do, but she opened her eyes when someone
asked her to just a few minutes ago on film. Could they not ask her
to blink her eyes, maybe four or five times in succession if she
wanted to die, so that she -- her mother says that she can
communicate somewhat.

KING: A very good question. David, is there a way to ask her
questions?

GIBBS: And the answer at this point is unknown. Until professionals
have an opportunity to rehabilitate her, you can't know for sure what
a response may or may not mean in terms of four or five blinks, one
means yes, one means no. Plus, if somebody says I want to die, that
doesn't mean right then you take them out and kill them. I mean,
certainly through starvation or dehydration -- sometimes people can
have some difficult medical situations, and in love as a family, you
pull around them and you help them through those difficult moments. I
certainly sympathize with someone that has to deal with someone who
is brain dead and kept alive by machines.

KING: Is she fed intravenously?

GIBBS: No.

M. SCHINDLER: No.

GIBBS: It's through a tube, and it goes right into her stomach.

R. SCHINDLER: Yeah, can I elaborate on what she was talking about
that?

KING: Sure.

R. SCHINDLER: In November, I guess it would be two years now, I had
Terri on a cell phone, talking with a therapist out in Texas, who
will, by the way, testify in the court on what happened, and I was
sitting there, watching, and I saw Terri, and she was sitting in a
chair, literally get out of her chair, where I reached over and I
pulled her back in the chair. And I got on the phone, I said, what in
the world did you say to this girl? And he said, I said to her that
if you don't get up out of your chair, they're going to kill you. And
she tried to get out of the chair. And that can be documented.

KING: So the husband's only argument is he's proving a point because
she said at age 25 she didn't want to be kept alive artificially.

GIBBS: Watching some program. And Larry, interesting, when she made
that comment, if it was made, but he says it was made, that was
against Florida law at that time. You could not withhold basic food
and water in 1990 when that comment was allegedly made. So what he's
asking everyone to believe is that she made a comment "I would want
to be killed" even in violation of Florida law. And I really think a
25- year-old isn't thinking about being starved to death and making a
casual comment.

KING: Beautiful couple, too. Groton, Connecticut, hello.

CALLER: Yes, hello, Larry, thank you for taking my call.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: I'm a mother of five young children. My second child is 14,
and he's multi-handicapped. And doctors at Yale University told us
that he would never do anything in his life, take him home and take
care of him and love him, he would never do anything.

Well, my son is just -- he's very small. He's undiagnosed, but with
great therapy, he's doing phenomenal things. He's non-verbal, but he
communicates in other ways. I feel so bad for the Schindlers.

KING: You have a question?

CALLER: Yes, I do. I have a fear that if something happens to Terri
and people like her, what will happen to my son. My question is, is
anyone aware of any kind of agenda moving the husband to take her
life so it will be easier for other children like my son to be
disposed of?

KING: David?

GIBBS: Absolutely. There's an agenda.

KING: He's part of a group or a...?

GIBBS: I don't know. I believe there's a movement. They argue in the
court that economically Terri is of no value. And if someone can't...

KING: They say that?

GIBBS: Absolutely, that economically, she costs too much to keep her
alive, and she can't contribute. And what you have is a very
dangerous way of thinking, Larry. It's very similar to what happened
over in Nazi Germany, where all of a sudden the government and others
began to say who should live, who shouldn't. And you know, America
was founded as a nation that said, we're going to protect life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

KING: But the parents are willing to absorb the costs?

GIBBS: They're willing to do it personally, at great sacrifice, as
well as the brother and sister, Bobby Jr. and Susanne. They said if
anything happens to mom and dad, we will personally take care of our
sister. That's family.

R. SCHINDLER: We filed affidavits to do that.

KING: I'm trying to figure out the argument.

GIBBS: We have been doing the same thing for all these years.

M. SCHINDLER: A long time.

GIBBS: It makes no sense. Children are asking the question. You're
asking it. Everybody wants to know.

KING: What about others -- are the disabled involved in this in any
way?

GIBBS: They're very terrified. They've been huge supporters of Terri
and the Schindlers.

M. SCHINDLER: A lot of groups.

GIBBS: And they're very concerned, because if the law turns to where
those that can't contribute or those that carry disabilities are put
in some jeopardy, as this mother testifying about her 14-year-old,
what a wonderful thing, with her getting him therapy -- but if
somebody else were to step in and say, you know what, that boy,
because he can't speak, is a life not worth having, we disagree with
that. That's why I'm in this case. Life needs to be protected in this
country.

KING: Santa Monica, California, hello.

CALLER: First, I want to say to the Schindlers, the love for your
daughter radiates through the screen. I'm personally making my
comments based on a very similar situation. Twenty-two months ago
today my 10-year-old son had a battle with leukemia for 14 months. We
had an accident on the day of discharge, and we were on our way going
home when there was no brain activity whatsoever. The hardest
decision I ever made in my life was to say no respirator, no
ventilator, because quality of life is everything for us.

When I look at you and I look at the pictures of your beautiful
daughter, I cannot imagine what you are feeling with the decision to
continue on and tell me, in your opinion, how do you determine
quality of life for Terri, because my heart, I could have never taken
my son off ever. I would have backed you 100 percent, but I look at
quality of life and that's everything.

KING: Fair question. Bob? What quality of life does she have?

R. SCHINDLER: The quality of life that she has that she get some
enjoyment from her family. But there's the potential for her
improvement is great as we're being told by these doctors.

KING: The doctors tell you that?

R. SCHINDLER: Absolutely.

KING: If there were no potential for improvement, you'd have to
consider this lady's call, wouldn't you?

M. SCHINDLER: I would never ever in 100 years starve my child to
death. Ever.

KING: Never?

M. SCHINDLER: Never. There is no mother in this world that would
starve your child to death. It's the most horrendous thing you've
ever seen in your life.

R. SCHINDLER: To starve anybody to death. To stand there and watch a
person starving to death is ghoulish. To see -- I don't care who it
was, if it was -- talking earlier, an animal, I couldn't do it.

M. SCHINDLER: My Terri has so much to give. If this is where she is
going to be without any rehab, I can't wait to get her home.

KING: We'll be back with more moments and more calls. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

M. SCHINDLER: To momma. To momma. What, baby? It's OK. It's OK. Mommy
loves you. Mommy loves you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has nothing to gain. He's not going to receive
a penny upon Terri's death

KING: No insurance here?

M. SCHIAVO: There's no money, there's no insurance. There's probably
about $50,000 left in her estate. I will not receive a penny from
this. Now what's funny about this, back about two years, the
Schindlers offered me $700,000 to walk away.

KING: They have that kind of money?

M. SCHIAVO: They get money from the right wing activists, the right
to life groups. (CROSSTALK)

KING: The right to life group is willing to pay you 700,000 to walk
away?

M. SCHIAVO: Right.

And two years ago, I offered what was left of Terri's money to
charity three times and the Schindlers refused to do that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Robert.

R. SCHINDLER: The -- his offer to donate Terri's money to charity
came after a guardian ad litem made a recommendation to the court to
disregard the petition to stop Terri's feeding.

KING: Did you offer him $700,000.

R. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: You did?

R. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: You got paid by a right wing group?

R. SCHINDLER: No. It was just -- a number was floated out there to
see...

KING: You were willing to pay that, though?

R. SCHINDLER: We would have, yes.

KING: It's not mercenary then, David? He could have taken the 700 and
ran? So what's his point?

GIBBS: We're not sure, Larry. We don't know. When we look at this
situation, it would be so easy for him to get on with his life. He
has two children, he has a new girlfriend. He could, with one stroke
of the pen, one signature, he can get on with his life and let these
parents take care of his daughter.

KING: Is there a concern that if something happened to the two of
you, the state would have to take care of Terri?

M. SCHINDLER: No. Well, unless my daughter and my son would get
custody.

R. SCHINDLER: No. They have -- my son and daughter, both of them have
made that request to be the guardian.

M. SCHINDLER: They would be fighting Michael. The two of them would
be fighting instead of us. GIBBS: You have to look at these quality
of life issues and you have to ask yourself, who is in the place to
make these determinations? We believe that God is the giver and taker
of life. For us as mere men, mere mortals to walk around and say that
your life is worth living and someone else isn't is a profound
arrogance.

KING: But you do agree there are some cases where plugs are pulled?

GIBBS: Plugs are pulled when the machine is keeping the person alive.
As you can see on the video footage, Terri is very much alive.

KING: She's not attached to anything?

GIBBS: She's not attached to anything. She just needs help. She can't
swallow food and water. And so she needs help. You could, instead of
using a tube, you could have a nurse stand over Terri and drip feed
food down her throat. You have to be real careful that she doesn't
asphyxiate or have difficulty with aspiration. But they use a tube
because that's the cleanest and safest way to do it but to get the
food and water into her system, that's the only assistance she needs.

KING: What's her life expectancy?

M. SCHINDLER: It was 50 years. Fifty or more years.

R. SCHINDLER: They had an actuary testify at the malpractice, that's
why they won up to $20 million.

KING: And he said she had 50 more years?

R. SCHINDLER: He recited his wedding vows at that malpractice trial.

KING: Tampa, Florida, hello.

CALLER: Yes, Larry. First, I find it amazing that society seems to
put more effort into finding humane ways to kill convicted murderers
than actually something as far as starvation as a solution for Terri.
My question as far as the parents, what speculation is there as far
as that he's actually involved in Terri's condition and do you see
that as the reason why he's not (UNINTELLIGIBLE) rehabilitation?

KING: There's the fear that she might accuse him of having something
if she were able to speak? That's just pure speculation?

R. SCHINDLER: No way we could know that.

KING: Littleton, Colorado, hello.

CALLER: Hello, Larry. God bless you. I'd like to ask Mr. and Mrs.
Schindler if they believe in divine healing?

KING: Divine healing. R. SCHINDLER: I believe that God heals.

KING: That's divine healing.

R. SCHINDLER: I believe in God.

M. SCHINDLER: Absolutely.

R. SCHINDLER: We've seen miracles.

M. SCHINDLER: We've seen miracles with Terri.

KING: So it would not shock you if Terri spoke tomorrow?

R. SCHINDLER: No.

M. SCHINDLER: No.

KING: We'll be back with our remaining moments with the Schindlers
and David Gibbs. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look here. Look here. Follow it. Follow it. OK.
Look up here again. OK. I see. OK. Now, Terri, Terri, look at me.
Look at me over here. No. Over here, Terri. Try and look at me. I
understand. One eye is further out, the right eye is further out than
the left. So if she looks this way, the right eye has a tendency to
be further over toward me. Look at me over here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: That's young Terri Schindler. She would later be Terri Schiavo.
Schiavo.

Meadville, Pennsylvania. Wow. Hello.

CALLER: Hey, Larry. Love your show.

KING: Hi. Thank you.

CALLER: My question to the Schindlers is, was there ever a police
investigation conducted into the circumstances of Terri's
predicament?

R. SCHINDLER: The police report was recommended to be sent to the
homicide division. It's right on the police report.

KING: And?

R. SCHINDLER: To be routed to homicide, and it was never
investigated. And we tried to file a report with the police
department when we discovered all this, what we felt was
incriminating evidence, circumstantial evidence, and they refused to
accept a report from us.

KING: How long have you been involved in this case, David?

GIBBS: Working with a team of lawyers, and the battle's been going on
14 years. I've been involved in the last three.

KING: How are you going to do Thursday?

GIBBS: Well, we're praying, and we're hoping, because we're getting
down to where it's the two-minute drill, to use football analogy, and
we got to score a touchdown.

Btu we believe the law's on our side. We believe it's right. We
believe we're standing for the right thing and we're hoping that if
given the opportunity, the Florida courts will agree.

KING: If God forbid you lose, would you be there when she dies?

R. SCHINDLER: We'd do it again. We'll be with her.

M. SCHINDLER: Yes. Every step of the way.

R. SCHINDLER: What happened is -- when we were denied visitation,
because we were accused of harming Terri back in -- it was in March,
and the husband denied us visitation for two months.

M. SCHINDLER: That's the longest we've ever gone.

R. SCHINDLER: And we've never gone that long not seeing Terri, but
we'll be with her.

M. SCHINDLER: Absolutely.

KING: I thank you very much for coming, for flying here across the
country, out of hurricaneville in Florida and for...

M. SCHINDLER: Thank you for having us.

KING: ... making the presentation you made tonight.

R. SCHINDLER: Thank you.

M. SCHINDLER: Thank you.

KING: It's been extraordinary.

R. SCHINDLER: I thank you very much.

GIBBS: Appreciate your grace.

KING: We talked about death tonight. We had to talk about the death
of Kaye Coleman on Friday. And a great man died over the weekend,
Marvin Davis. He was a dear friend, a great, great businessman, but
most of all, a family man. Marvin Davis loved Barbara and he loved
his family. Sure, he was worth $5 billion. Sure, he had an immense
house and all these friends and business deals all over the world.
But when it came down to the crux of it, Marvin Davis cared about the
people he cared about the most, those closest to him, all the
Davises.

At his funeral yesterday, they had written in the memorial service
something written by Sir Laurence Olivier. I thought it appropriate
to read to you tonight. This by Sir Olivier.

"Death is nothing at all. I have only slipped away into the next
room. I am I and you are you. Whoever we were to each other we are
still. Call me by my old familiar name, speak to me the easy way you
always did. Put no difference into your tone, wear no forced air or
solemnity or sorrow. Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes
that we enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let
my name be forever the household word that it always was. Let it be
spoken without effect, without the ghost of a shadow on it. Life
means all that it ever meant. It is the same as it ever was,
absolutely unbroken continuity.

What is death but a negligible accident? Why should I be out of my
mind because I am out of sight? I am but waiting for you, for an
interval, somewhere very near, just around the corner."

I'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Tomorrow night, the Peterson case. The prosecution may end on
Thursday.

Thursday night, we're on at 11:00 Eastern, with our follow-up to the
presidential debate. At 12:00 Eastern, we'll be followed by Aaron
Brown, who'll be right here with us in Los Angeles, because Aaron
Brown is doing a California/West Coast/North/South sweep this week.
And he's in Seattle. Look at him. His favorite city, Seattle,
Washington. Aaron Brown comes home.

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http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/27/lkl.00.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

September 27, 2004
• Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler
Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler (and their attorney, David C.
Gibbs III of Gibbs Law Firm)

* See Gibbs' letter to Gov. Bush, dated Oct. 16, 2003, the day after
Terri's feeding tube was removed, cited directly below.

Aired September 27, 2004 - 21:00   ET

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/27/lkl.00.html



Expert Attorneys' Letters To Bush Prove He Could Save Terri


MIND BLOWING LETTERS TO GOVERNOR BUSH FROM EXPERT ATTORNEYS

PROVE GOVERNOR BUSH COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS ATTEMPTED MURDER

(TORTUOUS, ILLEGAL MURDER) BY DEHYDRATION AND STARVATION!

ALSO, IT WAS & IS ILLEGAL TO WITHHOLD ORAL (BY MOUTH) FOOD AND WATER
AFTER THE FEEDING TUBE WAS / IS REMOVED!



BE SURE TO READ ALL OF THESE ATTORNEYS' LETTERS/MEMOS TO GOVERNOR
BUSH. THEY WERE ALL DELIVERED TO GOV. BUSH ON EITHER OCTOBER 15TH OR
OCTOBER 16, 2003 AND THEY WILL BLOW YOUR MIND IF YOU WERE NOT AWARE
OF THEM! READ THEM AND ASK YOURSELF WHY GOVERNOR BUSH KEPT INSISTING
HE COULD NOT INTERVENE AND STOP TERRI'S ATTEMPTED MURDER! ASK
YOURSELF IF THESE EXPERT ATTORNEYS ALL EMPHATICALLY INFORMED GOVERNOR
BUSH HE *ALREADY* HAD THE POWER (AS GOVERNOR) TO ACT AND THAT HE
*MUST* ACT, WHY THEN DID GOVERNOR BUSH TOTALLY IGNORE THESE EXPERT
ATTORNEYS AND DO NOTHING FOR ABOUT AN ENTIRE WEEK, WHILE TERRI WAS
BEING DEHYDRATED AND STARVED TO DEATH ILLEGALLY (SINCE ORAL FOOD AND
WATER WAS WITHHELD!!!)

See ALL of the attorneys' letters here:

Memorandum from John B. Thompson, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_2.htm

Memorandum from Brian Fahling, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_3.htm

Memorandum from Herbert Titus, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_4.htm

______________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________
CNN LARRY KING LIVE

September 27, 2004
• Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler
Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler (and their attorney, David C.
Gibbs III of Gibbs Law Firm)

*See Gibbs' letter to Gov. Bush, dated Oct. 16, 2003, the day after
Terri's feeding tube was removed, cited directly below.

Aired September 27, 2004 - 21:00   ET

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/27/lkl.00.html

______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________


Memorandum from Gibbs Law Firm, P.A. signed by David C. Gibbs III
and Enclosure to Governor Bush Re: "Motion For Clarification and
Supplemental Request For Implementation of Order" which shows the
Schindlers, (Terri's parents), asked Judge Greer to clarify that
Terri could be given ORAL food and water after her feeding tube was
removed) The Motion listed on this webpage was mistakenly listed at
the bottom of the page) *see link cited below to read Gibbs' and
Thompsons' letters to Gov. Bush*

* http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm

Note: It is illegal to withhold ORAL (by mouth) food and water even
AFTER a feeding tube is removed. This is state sponsored EUTHANASIA,
which is ILLEGAL IN FLORIDA! THIS IS ATTEMPTED MURDER OF TERRI
SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO, WHICH HAS HAPPENED TWICE NOW IN FLORIDA!!!

Plus,

Memorandum from John B. ("Jack") Thompson, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm

Memorandum from the Thomas More Law Center:
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_6.htm





Also see the Press Release
Issued on October 16, 2003


Re: these attorneys' letters to Bush and the question:

Legal Solution Now on Hand —
Will Governor Bush Intervene and Save Terri's Life?

http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_7.htm

Press Release Text:

To: National Desk

Contact: Gary McCullough, 202.546.0054

Society for Truth and Justice Press Release, Randall Terry President

Legal Solution Now on Hand—Will Governor Bush Intervene and Save
Terri's Life?

The following Internet links will take you to documents that are in
the hands of Governor Jeb Bush.
Printed copies of these documents were made available to the press at
the 11:30 AM, October 16, Press Conference.

Memorandum from the Thomas More Law Center

Memorandum from Herbert Titus, Attorney

Memorandum from John B. Thompson, Attorney

Memorandum from Brian Fahling, Attorney

All these documents are available online at: www.TerrisFight.org
(THIS IS NOT NOT TRUE NOW, AS ALL OF THESE LINKS ARE BROKEN ON
TERRISFIGHT.ORG AT THIS TIME - SAVETERRISLIFE)

Judge Greer ordered that Terri Schindler-Schiavo be denied food and
water starting at 2 PM yesterday, October 15. The family continues to
ask Governor Bush to save Terri's life.

A 24-hour vigil for Terri continues to be held in front of the
Woodside Hospice, located at 6774 102nd Avenue N. (near 66th Street N
and 102nd Avenue N) in Pinellas Park, Florida.

"Legal experts from around the country agree that Governor Bush has
the authority to save Terri Schindler-Schiavo's life. We know he has
the power, the question is; does he have the political will."—Randall
Terry, President of the Society for Truth and Justice


Details on Terri Schindler-Schiavo and her fight to stay alive is
available online at www.terrisfight.org


Society for Truth and Justice

3501-B North Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 394 -- Saint Augustine, FL
32084


http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_7.htm

I was interview on Monday, 9/27/04 by Jackie Patru and will be on
again tonight, Tuesday, 9/28/04 from 9-10 PM EDT discussing new info.
re:  Terri has hydrocephalus, a treatable medical condition which can
be caused by head trauma.  Plus, much more info.

What's New At Liberty To The Captives

Melissa Roxanne Stanley will be on Jackie Patru's Sweet Liberty radio
broadcast Tuesday, 9/28/04 at 9:00 pm EDT.  New Bombshell information
to save Terri's life!  Scroll down to Listen Live!

Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus: Probably Due to Head Injury

The following quotes are excerpts from the article, Interview With
Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery!]

Margaret Juneman's notes:

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Ron Panzer's notes:

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html



PLEASE READ THIS!
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html


Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

Listen to the archived 01/07/04  Highway2Health broadcast with Dr.
William Hammesfahr

Margaret Juneman's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

These are notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet
broadcast featuring Dr. Hammesfahr on Highway2health.net.

These notes were written by Margaret Juneman. Parenthetical
statements were added by Joe and Margaret Juneman. [Lisa's comments
are included in brackets.]

Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully
to restore deficits caused by stroke. His technique is approved by
Medicare, and he was nominated in 1999 for a Nobel prize for this
work which he started in 1994.

Dr. Hammesfahr has great success. Most doctors think a brain injury
that has been there awhile is not treatable. He has had success with
these cases and he is convinced Terri would improve. (Improvement
should not be required for Terri to be allowed to live).

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's behavior indicates that he is also
convinced Terri would improve. He is so sure Terri would improve with
therapy that he not only illegally prevents her from receiving
rehabilitation, but he keeps her under armed guard for fear someone
will give her  unauthorized sensory input! The phony persistent
vegetative state ruse is being maintained at all cost. It is no
wonder that Michael, with the blessings and protection of the court,
defies Florida law by denying Terri her legal right to
rehabilitation.]

According to Dr. William Hammesfahr, world renowned neurologist:

Terri's feeding tube is for the convenience of nurses; not because
Terri needs it. Terri does not drool. Liquid is the hardest thing to
swallow, and she swallows 1½ to 2 liters of saliva a day.

Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state or coma. She is a
living, thinking person who makes choices and decisions. This is
terrible. They are trying to kill her. While Dr. Hammesfahr was
examining her, he observed Terri chose to ignore her husband Michael
and the person taking the video.

When Terri heard her mother's voice, she smiled and tracked her.
Terri moved her arms and legs as Dr. Hammesfahr requested her to.

[Lisa's note: Dr. Hammesfahr mentioned that during his ten hour
examination, Terri responded well to verbal requests to move, and
even moved to the point where it caused her pain in order to comply
with a request. He indicated that such movements are definitely not
reflexive.]

(Videotapes show Terri reacting to people. These are at
terrisfight.org. Scroll down to Videos of Terri.) A persistent
vegetative state, by definition, allows no awareness of the world or
ability to interact with the world.

[Lisa's note: Judge Greer LIED and "found" Terri in a "persistent
vegetative state" in clear violation of the Florida statue, which
defines the term, "persistent vegetative state":

"Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible
condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a)  The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any
kind.

(b)  An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the
environment.

[Real Player is needed to view the videos.]

(The video entitled, "Asked to open her eyes" allows you to see and
hear the examination. When she opened her eyes on command, the doctor
said, There you go, good. Good! (Laughing) Good job! Good job, young
lady, good job!)

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]


Terri did not have a heart attack. There were no cardiac enzymes in
her blood, and no abnormalities in her EKG.

Terri was admitted into the emergency room with a very, very stiff
neck consistent with brand new injury to her neck.

[Lisa's note: Testimony given at a 2002 evidentiary hearing revealed
that Terri was presented at the emergency room with
an "extraordinarily rigid neck" described by one physician
as "consistent with attempted strangulation." See: Court to hear
petition to remove husband as guardian]

Dr. Hammesfahr had seen the combination of injuries Terri suffered
(spinal cord injury, brain injury, and neck injury) one other time.
That was in an attempted strangulation case.

A police report was sent to homicide. There was no follow-up; no
investigation by police. Dr. Hammesfahr said Terri's situation is
unique. He consistently sees wrong things happen to Terri. There is
no law enforcement follow-up now for fear of stepping on toes.

[Lisa's note: There is no law enforcement because the police fear the
people "in high places" who are trying to pull off this very
obviously ILLEGAL murder plot. Everyone closely involved with this
case knows that the plan to kill Terri is a government operation, and
they are either actively helping them with this agenda or passively
helping them by refusing to stand in their way.]

Terri's bone scan revealed Terri was a victim of multiple traumas -
doctors were mandated to report it. There was no history of trauma
prior to her marrying Michael. The fractures had to happen after
marrying him. First lumbar vertebra fracture is common when thrown
against a table.

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery! Of course this is illegal too, but he trusts
the governmental euthanasia planners to see to it that he suffers no
repercussions for habitually breaking laws in order to harm Terri.]

Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions
fail someone in so many ways.

[Lisa's note: When an extremely important facet of The Plan is in
process, everyone falls into step...or else. Some, however, fear God
more than certain governmental officials with satanic agendas.]

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Judge Greer would not allow an eye examination, even though she is
legally blind. She can only see objects 12 to 18 inches away.

[Lisa's note: Terri would be more responsive with eyeglasses. Of
course such increased responsiveness would conflict with the
judge's "finding" that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state, so
Terri is not permitted any help with her visual difficulties.]

She is isolated even though her condition demands sensory input.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's insistence upon Terri being
(illegally) kept in isolation is all for the purpose of making her
appear as "vegetative" as they possibly can. Even with such
outrageous abuse, Terri is still much too responsive for the
euthanasia planners' comfort level.]

Terri's medical records, which are legal documents, were falsified.
Detailed records of Terri's responsiveness were thrown away. Nurses
who were not even on duty wrote fraudulent reports as though they had
been caring for Terri.

[Lisa's note: Truth is an enemy when a "persistent vegetative state"
agenda is being imposed on a person who is not in such a state.]

Why is it that Terri has to prove herself worthy of living? This is
against the law in Florida. She is not in a persistent vegetative
state. She is not terminal, even though she has been (illegally) in a
hospice.

[Lisa's note: It is all about conditioning for the global government
which is being instituted in stages in the United States. Worthy
people (people who further the globalist agenda) live, the unworthy
(people who do not further the globalist agenda) are deemed worthy of
death. People are being conditioned to think of life and death in
these terms.]


(If the judge were to order a swallowing test, strict care would be
needed to ensure Terri were not sedated to the point she could not
swallow. )

[Lisa's note: Excellent point. Terri could be sedated at times it
is "crucial" for her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, such as
during examinations. Perhaps she is sedated on the whim of the people
managing her care. (This could be the main reason Michael will not
permit Terri's parents to see her medical records!) If Terri is
sedated, it is easier for them continue to perpetrate
their "persistent vegetative state" ruse. I think it is amazing that
even with all these ploys against her, Terri's natural beauty still
shines through.]

(This is not about letting her die because she is not dying. This is
about deliberately killing her: Murder.)

[Lisa's note: This is about seeking to murder Terri Schiavo, but it
is more. It is a crucial test to see how much euthanasia conditioning
the American people have already succumbed to. The euthanasia
planners have broken laws, manipulated Terri's care and records to
cause her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, and aided and
abetted Michael in committing felonies, in order to try to have a
targeted individual killed. What are you going to do about it?]


Dr. Hammesfahrs contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/
E-mail address hnihelp@...
Phone number 1-800-673-6400



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Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

Startling details about Terri Schindler Schiavo Revealed!

Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance Newsletter January 8, 2004

Notes on Wednesday nights' interview (1/7/04) with neurologist,
William Hammesfahr, MD.

WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, MD was interviewed Wednesday night on
Highway2health.net by Ron Panzer, President of Hospice Patients
Alliance. Dr. Hammesfahr is board certified in neurology and pain
management. He has spent many hours directly with Terri Schiavo and
reviewed the medical records directly. Dr. Hammesfahr unequivocally
stated that Terri is absolutely NOT in a persistent vegetative state
and definitely responds to instructions from those around her, that
she makes choices and shows decision-making ability in how she
responds.

Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the medical record was in a state of
shambles when it was given, that it was out of order by date and that
much of the medical record was never given to the Schindlers or Dr.
Hammesfahr! NEVER! Dr. Hammesfahr stated that there are notes in the
medical record by nurses who were NOT working at the time they stated
they were caring for Terri. Also, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that parts of
the medical record were completely missing! Dr. Hammesfahr explained
that Terri's blood sugar level upon admission to the hospital was
about 400 (373). When asked why it would be that high, since Terri
was NOT and is not a diabetic, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
emergency medical technicians who arrived by ambulance probably gave
Terri D-5-W, a dextrose in water solution. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed
that EMTs would check a patient's blood glucose level as part of
their routine, when assessing a patient like Terri who had collapsed.
The only reason they would give D-5-W would likely be that they
discovered upon testing Terri, that her blood sugar was LOW at the
time of the collapse. Since Terri was not HYPO-glycemic and was not
diabetic, a POSSIBLE explanation for Terri having LOW blood sugar at
the time of her collapse is that she may have been injected with
insulin.

Noted, of course, was the sworn AFFIDAVIT/testimony of a nurse who
cared for Terri later on in the early 1990s, that Terri was found
shaking, pale and agitated after a visit by Michael Schiavo. In that
nurse's affidavit, the nurse stated that she found a vial of insulin
in Terri's PRIVATE room. Since Terri did not have diabetes, there
would be no reason for a vial of insulin to be in the garbage can in
her room at the nursing home. Dr. Hammesfahr and I agreed that we had
never seen any nurse or physician bring a vial of insulin into a
patient's room when administering insulin. The standard of practice
is to prepare a medication beforehand at the nurse's station, note
what medication is given in the medication administration record, and
then bring the syringe with the insulin in it to the patient, but NOT
the vial.

That a vial of insulin was found in Terri's room is not normal
practice even if Terri were getting insulin, but she was NOT and
never was on insulin! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that, although Michael
Schiavo admits to "shaking Terri up" Terri's injuries and condition
are not explainable due to anyone shaking her head ... that her
clinical condition would have been different if that was the sole
cause of her brain injury. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the type of
injury and clinical condition Terri had at the time of her collapse
could be explained by a possible strangulation attempt and/or an
insulin injection combined with some form of attack or trauma.

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that no police investigation was done to
look into Terri's condition, even after a bone scan (13 months after
her collapse) revealed multiple TRAUMA and broken bones. Dr.
Hammesfahr stated that the broken bones could NOT be explained by any
form of bone disease, that these were ABSOLUTELY broken bones and
that it must have been done through trauma, injury to her. Dr.
Hammesfahr said that other physicians had also come to the same
conclusion. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Michael Schiavo kept these
bone scans and other medical records secret for over a DECADE. [They
were only released in 2002!]

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of
the heart but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her. He stated that Terri
had marked injury to her neck which still exists today, and that he
has only seen a similar injury, with spinal cord involvement as well
as brain injury, in one case where a patient had been strangled. He
stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her spine, which he stated is
common among persons being thrown against a table, for example. Dr.
Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in the
very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE
Michael got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that
after Michael got the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that in the early years, Terri had had a very
small device surgically implanted into her brain to provide
therapeutic very low dosages of electrical stimulation to the brain,
which could help Terri, and which DID help Terri when it was first
started. However, after Michael got the money, Michael did not allow
further attempts to help Terri in this way. In addition, Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that the device (or any device) implanted, would
normally be carefully monitored so that no infection would occur and
no harm come to the patient. However, in Terri's case that was not
done and has not been done.

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri was also tested with balloons
to see if she would follow the balloon with her eyes and head when
instructed to do so. Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri did follow
the balloons when instructed, and that she did so, even though
turning her head far enough to the side caused her pain. He pointed
out that reflex actions are usually to avoid pain, but in Terri's
case she turned her head into painful positions in order to follow
the instructions of the physician testing her. Dr. Hammesfahr
confirmed that several experts in neurology agree that Terri could
improve, can improve and that everything that should be done for her
is NOT being done. In fact, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
isolation and deliberate removal of all stimulation from Terri is
harming Terri, depriving her of the input and stimulation which would
help her reach a higher cognitive level and ability. He stated that
Terri should be getting much exposure to sights, sounds and other
forms of rehabilitation.

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that Dr. Ronald Cranford (who testified for
Michael Schiavo and George Felos' side - the right to die agenda) ...
that Dr. Cranford was NOT a neurologist and was not an expert in the
field. Also, that Dr. Cranford spent less than ONE hour with Terri
totally! Yet the court relied on Dr. Cranford's testimony, rather
than several other neurologists, including Dr. Hammesfahr. [The court
was not gathering information in order to rule based on fact, it was
simply following an agenda.]

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that as a physician and a person, he is
outraged at the mistreatment Terri is receiving and that the denial
of rehabilitation for Terri violates the standards of medical
practice! He can be contacted at: William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. 600
Druid Road East Clearwater, Florida 34616 Tel: 727.461.4464 [end of
notes on the interview - Ron Panzer]

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

To:  Florida House of Representatives
Whereas the Florida Constitution Article III Section 17 provides for
the impeachment of judges for misdemeanor in office, misdemeanor
being defined as a misdeed or offense less than a felony.

Whereas Judge George W. Greer is a judge in the 6th circuit court of
Florida and bound to rule in agreement with Florida Statutes and the
Judicial Code of Ethics,

The undersigned are petitioning Florida House Speaker Johnnie Byrd
and the Florida House of Representatives to impeach Judge George W.
Greer pursuant to the provisions in the Florida Constitution for the
following violations of Statutes and Judicial Canons, which prove
justification for impeachment.

Judge George W. Greer has caused public confidence in the judiciary
to deteriorate due to his rulings regarding Terri Schiavo and thus
violated Judicial Canon 1.

Judge George W. Greer has made rulings, which advance the private
interests of Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Senate President Jim
King by allowing the statutes, which apply, to persons with terminal
illness to order the death of Terri Schiavo by dehydration and
starvation at the request of Michael Schiavo and thus is in violation
of Judicial Canon 2B.

Judge George W. Greer has not ruled according to law in the case of
whether to remove Terri Schiavo's tube by which she receives
nutrition and hydration. The rulings, which are inconsistent with
Florida Statutes and Constitution, are:

1. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(2 ) for failure to discharge his
duties as guardian. The statute requires that the guardian protect
the rights of the ward, provide for her health and safety, properly
manage her financial resources and help her regain her abilities to
the maximum extent possible.

2. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(3) for abuse of his powers as
evidenced by his denying her any significant sensory stimulation and
his efforts to have her life ended.

3. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(7) for wasting, embezzlement, or
other mismanagement of the ward's property, one example is Michael's
statement on national television that he had Terri's wedding rings
melted down and made into jewelry for himself.

4. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(11) because of a conflict of
interest between the ward and the guardian due to Michael Schiavo
living with and fathering children with another woman.

5. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(13) for failure to comply with
the guardianship report.

6. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(14) for failure to file annual
guardianship reports in a timely manner.

7. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(16) for improperly managing the
ward's assets by using Terri's money which was awarded by a court to
be used for her rehabilitation but at the authorization of Judge
Greer is being used to pay legal fees in an effort to end Terri's
life.

8. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(17) because there has been a
significant change in Terri's assets due to the actions of her
guardian. Terri's assets have likely increased since her accident and
Michael Schiavo is denying Terri the benefit of any assets accrued
after the malpractice award which would be equally hers as Michael's
legal spouse.

9. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(18) because Michael's adulterous
relationship (which is a misdemeanor under Florida law) with another
woman ought to disqualify Michael as a suitable guardian for Terri as
the interest which Michael said (in malpractice trial court
proceedings) he had toward Terri is directed to another woman who is
not his wife and has two children by said other woman of whom he is
the father.

10. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian and has aided Michael in abusing, neglecting, and exploiting
Terri, a vulnerable adult, by appropriating funds that were awarded
for her rehabilitation to pay legal fees, and has aided in exploiting
Terri by denying the money to be used for her benefit. Both these
infractions were committed with the
knowledge that Terri lacked the capacity to consent and explained in
detail in Florida Statute 415.102.

11. Judge Greer's rulings to date have deprived Terri Schiavo of her
constitutional right to enjoy and defend life and liberty, to pursue
happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and
protect property which are detailed in Section 2 of the Florida
Constitution by ordering her life to be ended by denying her
hydration and nutrition.

12. Judge Greer has deprived Terri of her constitutional religious
rights by allowing Michael Schiavo to prevent Monsignor Malonowski
from visiting Terri, by allowing Michael to prevent Monsignor
Malinowski from administering last rites when her feeding tube was
removed in October 2003, and by allowing Michael to prevent Terri's
blood relatives from placing pictures of religious figures in her
room.

13. Judge Greer has allowed Terri's constitutional right to privacy
to be violated by Michael Schiavo by not restricting his comments
during interviews on national television.

14. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215C(a) To have
an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

15. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(b) (b) to
have continuing review of the need for restriction of her rights.

16. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right to be restored to
capacity, FL statute 744.3215C.

17. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(d) (d) to
be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected
against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

18. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(e) to have
a qualified guardian.

19. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(f) to
remain as independent as possible, including having her preference as
to place and standard of living honored, either as she expressed or
demonstrated her preference prior to the determination of his or her
incapacity or as she currently expresses her preference, insofar as
such request is reasonable.

20. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (g) to be
properly educated. She is not receiving any rehabilitative therapy.

21. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (h) to
receive prudent financial management for her property and to be
informed how her property is being managed. Michael Schiavo stated on
national television that he melted Terri's wedding rings down and had
them made into jewelry for himself.

22. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (i) to
receive necessary services and rehabilitation. Judge Greer has
allowed Michael to deprive Terri of the same. She did not have a
working wheelchair for an extended and unnecessarily long period of
time.

23. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (k) to have
access to the courts. Judge Greer has relied upon the testimony of
others related to Michael Schiavo as to Terri's condition yet ignored
the testimony of her blood relatives which was contradictory to
information provided by Michael and his family.

24. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(l) to
counsel.

25. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(m) to
receive visitors and communicate with others.

26. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(a) by allowing
Terri to be moved to different facilities without prior approval of
the court.

27. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(b) not requiring
Michael to have follow up examinations of electrodes, which were
implanted in Terri's brain. These implants should have been removed
years ago, as they are a source for both infection and hydrocephalus.
Hydrocephalus may cause pressure that could suppress cognitive
function and be responsible for much of Terri's condition. If so,
there could be a vast improvement in her condition if a shunt were
placed. Hydrocephalus could also cause pressure that would flatten
the brain and show fluid filled areas on a brain scan.

28. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to violate a court order stating
that he is to keep Terri's family advised of her medical condition.

29. Judge Greer has ignored Terri's right under 765.102(5)(a) to
palliative care which addresses physical, psychological, social,
spiritual, and existential needs of patients.

30. Judge Greer has not required Michael Schiavo to implement a plan
which would provide for Terri's needs under 765.102(5)(a).

31. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to neglect Guardianship
Education, which is a requirement under Florida law.

32. Judge Greer relied on Dr. Ronald Cranford's definition of PVS
(Persistent Vegetative State) instead of the legal definition
contained in the Florida Statutes. There were several doctors who
gave reports that Terri is not PVS but Greer decided not to use the
Florida Statute's definition.

33. Judge Greer has failed to be impartial and has ignored testimony
and evidence presented by Counsel for Terri's natural family and has
consistently ruled in agreement with Counsel for Michael Schiavo.

34. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to continue denying visitation to
Terri's family even though a police investigation found that they
were not responsible for marks found on her arm.

35. Judge Greer in his February 11, 2000 Order, committed malpractice
by
misdiagnosing Terri as being an unconscious and unaware person and
then ordered the Guardian of the Ward to commit a 1st Degree Felony
Crime by removing Terri's feeding tube and denying her constitutional
and legal right to be protected and not feloniously victimized by
being caused to die.

35. Judge Greer authorized the euthanization of Terri Schiavo by
authorizing the removal of her feeding tube when she does not fit the
definition of PVS under Florida statutes. Euthanasia is illegal in
Florida.

36. Judge Greer has violated the Americans With Disabilities Act
(ADA), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101 provides that necessary and
appropriate rehabilitation services and physical/motor skill therapy
may not be denied a substantially disabled patient in the United
States of America.

37. Judge Greer has violated the ADA Cf 28 CFR, Ch 1, Subpart B, Sect
35.130 States "Nothing in the Act or this part authorizes the
representative or guardian of an individual with a disability to
decline food, water, medical treatment, or medical services for that
individual."

38. Judge Greer has violated FS 38.10 four times by not disqualifying
himself from the case when it was requested. The statute states
whenever a party to any action or proceeding makes and files an
affidavit stating fear that he or she will not receive a fair trial
in the court where the suit is pending on account of the prejudice of
the judge of that court against the applicant or in favor of the
adverse party, the judge shall proceed no further, but another judge
shall be designated in the manner prescribed by the laws of this
state for the substitution of judges for the trial of causes in which
the presiding judge is disqualified.


The rulings and actions listed above are in violation of Judicial
Canon 3B(2)

Judge Greer has violated Judicial Canon 3B(4) as seen in a video clip
of a court proceeding where Judge Greer was visibly impatient and
angry during court proceedings. The video can be viewed at this url.
http://real.scripps.com:8480/ramgen/tampalive/news/2003/11/1105schiavo
.rm

Judge Greer should be investigating whether any life insurance
policies have been purchased or other investments made with funds
intended for Terri, which would cause Michael Schiavo to profit from
her death.

Judge Greer serves on the Committee for Guardianship Monitoring but
is, in fact, violating the intentions and guidelines established by
the Committee. Information concerning the Committee for Guardianship
Monitoring may be found at this url
http://www.flcourts.org/osca/divisions/Guardian/guardianshipmonitoring
.pdf

1. Judge Greer has neglected the mission of guardianship monitoring
in Terri's case.The mission of guardianship monitoring is to collect,
provide, and evaluate information about the well-being and property
of all persons adjudicated of having a legal incapacity so that the
court can fulfill its legal obligation to protect and preserve the
interests of the ward, and thereby promote confidence in the judicial
process.

2. Page 5 of the document contains "Thus, the court must be proactive
to discover and respond to disputes and issues." Judge Greer has
intentionally ignored disputed issues in Terri's case and not made
any ruling to correct them.

3. On page 6 of the document is this statement "An ideal guardianship
monitoring program encompasses four major service areas: (1) initial
and on-going screening and reviewing of guardians; (2) reporting on
the well-being of the ward; (3) reporting on the protection of the
ward's assets; and (4) case administration." Judge Greer's flagrant
oversight of Michael Shiavo's violations of the statutes pertaining
to guardians is certainly no example for any monitoring program.

4. It is unclear whether Judge Greer has required Michael Schiavo to
meet all the requirements of a guardian (listed on page 6 of the
document). "A family member guardian is required to hire an attorney,
provide detailed personal information, undergo a credit check, post a
fiduciary's bond, attend an 8-hour training course, and file detailed
initial and annual personal and financial reports."

5. Pinellas County employees a full time monitoring staff, which
reviews cases to make sure guardianship plans are being filed and
followed. It would not have been possible for them to give approval
of the plan for Terri since the guardianship plans have not been an
important issue with Judge Greer evidenced by his granting Michael
extensions to file the plan. Judge Greer is deliberately undermining
the guardianship monitoring program which was established to make
sure that all wards receive the protection they are entitled to by
the law.

6. Judge Greer did not adhere to the monitoring guidelines which
state that "in cases where it appears there is substantial likelihood
for serious irreparable harm (similar to the injunctive relief
standard), immediate action steps by the court should include but not
be limited to: Filing an abuse, neglect, or exploitation complaint
with the Department of Children and Families, as required by statute,
referral to local law enforcement agencies or the state attorney and,
conducting immediate hearings among several other possible actions.
Terri is at risk of irreparable harm as long as Michael is her
guardian. He didn't want to treat her for an infection, has not had
preventive health care examinations for her and stated on national
television that he would do whatever it takes to have her feeding
tube removed. Michael also stated during the same interview that
Terri's teeth were fine but recently she is missing several teeth.

Judge Greer's rulings ought to be thrown out due to all these
violations and the Supreme Court ruling on May 18, 2004 that states
may be liable for money damages for denying disabled persons access
to the court.

Terri's feeding tube can only be removed "if" she is PVS and Judge
Greer's ruling is based on a definition not contained in the Florida
Statutes. This is an outrageous liberty which Judge Greer has taken
and combined with the other violations of statutes there is no
question that he should be removed from his duties immediately.

We urge Florida Speaker of the House Johnnie Byrd and the Florida
House of Representatives to begin immediate impeachment proceedings
against Judge George W. Greer of the Sixth Judicial Circuit of
Florida for the violations contained in this petition.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned



http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html

Petition to Governor Jeb Bush to Remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
Guardian And Open a Full Criminal Investigation.

Dear Governor Bush:
Thank you for implementing Terri's Law and your ongoing support for
her right to life. In light of the evidence in this case, we believe
your actions were both heroic and necessary. In light of the evidence
of criminal action by her husband, we respectfully request that you
immediately commence proceedings to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
legal guardian and open a criminal investigation based on the
following:

1) Bone scans and medical records from 1990 indicate severe trauma,
numerous broken bones; no criminal investigation has ever been
conducted. A review of these records by top US Forensic Pathologist
Michael Baden concluded that a criminal investigation should be
conducted.

2) Michael Schiavo defrauded the courts by promising to care for
Terri for the rest of his life and then used the jury awarded $700
thousand specifically designated for Terri's rehabilitation for his
own personal gain and to end Terri's life. This also violates Fl
Statute. 825.103 "Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled
adult" which prohibits the misuse of a disabled person's funds by the
guardian.

3) Further, Section (2)(a) states that If the funds, assets, or
property involved in the exploitation of the elderly person or
disabled adult is valued at $100,000 or more, the offender commits a
felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s.
775.083, or s. 775.084.

4)The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101
provides that necessary and appropriate rehabilitation services and
physical/motor skill therapy may not be denied a substantially
disabled patient in the United States of America.

5) Cf 28 CFR, Ch 1, Subpart B, Sect 35.130 States "Nothing in the Act
or this part authorizes the representative or guardian of an
individual with a disability to decline food, water, medical
treatment, or medical services for that individual."

6)Failure to Discharge His Duties under FS § 744.474 (2) requires
that the guardian protect the rights of the ward, provide for her
health and safety, properly manage her financial resources and help
her regain her abilities to the maximum extent possible.

7)The initial move to Hospice was done in violation of the annual
plan and without court permission in violation of FS § 744.3215(4)].

Terri has the right to receive visitors and communicate with others.
FS § 744.3215

9) Terri has the right to receive "palliative care" which is the
comprehensive management of the physical, psychological, social,
spiritual, and existential needs of the patient. FS. § 765.102.

10) In 1990, Michael took Terri to San Francisco for experimental
medical treatment, without the necessary prior approval of the Court.
FS. § 744.3215(4).

11) The guardian is required by law to prepare and present an annual
plan. FS § 744.3675.Repeatedly, the annual plans have been filed late
or not at all

12) In his annual reports, Schiavo has failed to prepare and present
any plan for the provision of medical, mental health, and
rehabilitative services in the coming year as required by FS
§744.3675 (1)(b)(3)

13) The Adult Protective Services Act (Chapter 415 of the Florida
Statutes) affords protection to disabled persons from abuse, neglect
and exploitation

14) Fla. Stat. § 415. 102(1)(2002). Schiavo's isolation of Terri and
refusal to provide adequate physician attention, rehabilitative
services, dental care and other medical services constitutes abuse
under the Adult Protective Services Act as well as the guardianship
statutes.

15) Schiavo's decision to hold Terri at Hospice after it was clear
that she was not "terminal" within Medicare guidelines was an
improper use of the ward's assets. In order to receive federal
payment for hospice care, the facility must obtain a certification
from the attending physician within two calendar days of initial
admission that the patient's "prognosis is for a life expectancy of 6
months or less if the terminal illness runs its normal course." 42
C.F.R. § 418.22 (2001) Terri has been in Hospice 3 years.

Governor Bush, the Florida courts, DCF and Adult Protective Services
have failed to do their job of protecting Terri's rights. Please
exercise your executive power to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
legal guardian at once, appointing her as a ward of the State under
your care and demand a full investigation through every possible
legal authority, including Federal Investigative Assistance if
necessary. Thank you.
[Lisa's note: Mr. and Mrs. Schindler wish to have Bobby Schindler,
Jr. appointed as Terri's permanent guardian in place of Michael
Schiavo.]


written by Gordon Watts

This was copied from link below:

http://libertytothecaptives.net/michael_schiavo_remove_criminal_invest
igation.html

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Violations Against
Terri Schindler-Schiavo
under Florida Law


744.3215  Rights of persons determined incapacitated.

(1)  A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the
right:

(a)  To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

(VIOLATED – Her husband/guardian has failed to file such plans
for a number of years. During the years in which he DID submit the
required plan, he entered such things as "NONE" for his plan of
action.)


(b)  To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or
her rights.

(VIOLATED – The guardian courts have not required her
husband/guardian to file such reports mentioned above and no
consistent continuing review has taken place because of that.)



(c)  To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo has not received therapy since prior to
the 1992 medical malpractice settlement in her favor which was
intended to facilitate such therapy.)



(d)  To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be
protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

(VIOLATED – deliberate acts of omission [including humane care
and food and water] are considered felony abuse under the law. Terri
has been denied food and water on two occasions and simple treatment
for infections which could prove fatal without proper treatment.)



(e)  To have a qualified guardian.

(VIOLATED – her husband/guardian is no longer qualified for his
failure to comply with Florida law requiring annual review of
guardianship, failure to properly maintain the property of the ward,
failure to comply with the ward's retained rights to necessary
services and living in open adultery which is a misdemeanor under
Florida law.)



(f)  To remain as independent as possible, including having his or
her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as
he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to
the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently
expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is
reasonable.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo is wrongfully confined to a Hospice
facility and further confined to a single room without social
interaction, stimulation and human company. She is not permitted in
common areas of the facility, nor is she permitted outside of the
facility under the orders of her husband/guardian)



(g)  To be properly educated.

(VIOLATED – Terri has not received speech therapy which could
enable her to communicate more effective and to manage table food. It
is also believed that she has not received help in learning any other
protocol (such as blinking) to assist her in communicating more
effectively.)



(h)  To receive prudent financial management for his or her property
and to be informed how his or her property is being managed, if he or
she has lost the right to manage property.

(VIOLATED – Terri's medical management fund has been all but
depleted on legal fees in the pursuit of her death. More than half a
million dollars has been paid to one attorney in particular. There is
no evidence that Terri would have managed her funds in this way nor
given any consent to such.)



(i)  To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo has not received proper physical,
occupational, speech or range of motion therapy. She has been denied
treatment for simple infections and she has been denied
hospitalization necessitated by serious illness.)



(l)  To counsel.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo was never represented during the
duration of the guardianship proceedings and did not have a Florida
required Guardian ad Litem assigned to represent her during the
majority of the proceedings.)




(m)  To receive visitors and communicate with others.

(VIOLATED – Terri's visitor list is strictly managed by her
husband/guardian who has, a number of times, barred her family, her
friends and her spiritual counsel from visiting her, without the
court's prior approval and on personal whim.)



(n)  To notice of all proceedings related to determination of
capacity and guardianship, unless the court finds the incapacitated
person lacks the ability to comprehend the notice.

(VIOLATED – Terri has not been legally represented in any of the
guardianship proceedings and has received no counsel.)



(4)  Without first obtaining specific authority from the court, as
described in s. 744.3725, a guardian may not:

(a)  Commit the ward to a facility, institution, or licensed service
provider without formal placement proceeding, pursuant to chapter
393, chapter 394, or chapter 397.

(VIOLATED – Terri was admitted to a Hospice facility in 2000
without prior court approval and in violation of Federal laws
pertaining to Hospice confinement qualifications.)



(b)  Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance on the ward of
any experimental biomedical or behavioral procedure or to the
participation by the ward in any biomedical or behavioral experiment.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo was subjected to experimental implant
surgery in 1993 without prior court approval and without
recommendation of her attending physician. Additionally, she was
transported across state lines for said surgery. Follow up care was
never provided and no further maintenance services have ever been
provided for the implanted electrodes.)



744.2025  Change of ward's residence.

(1)  PRIOR COURT APPROVAL REQUIRED.--A guardian who has power
pursuant to this chapter to determine the residence of the ward may
not, without court approval, change the residence of the ward from
this state to another, or from one county of this state to another
county of this state, unless such county is adjacent to the county of
the ward's current residence. Any guardian who wishes to remove the
ward from the ward's current county of residence to another county
which is not adjacent to the ward's current county of residence must
obtain court approval prior to removal of the ward.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo was moved to a Hospice facility in 2000
by her husband without prior court approval. The Hospice House in
question was served by his attorney, George Felos, in the capacity of
Chairman up until that same time.)



744.3145  Guardian education requirements

(4)  Each person appointed by the court to be a guardian must
complete the required number of hours of instruction and education
within 1 year after his or her appointment as guardian.

(VIOLATED – See Above.)



798.01  Living in open adultery

Whoever lives in an open state of adultery shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s.
775.082 or s. 775.083. Where either of the parties living in an open
state of adultery is married, both parties so living shall be deemed
to be guilty of the offense provided for in this section.

(VIOLATED – Michael Schiavo has cohabitated and fathered children
with another woman while still married to Terri Schiavo.)



825.102 – Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of Elderly Persons and
Disabled Adults.



(1)  "Abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:

(a)  Intentional infliction of physical or psychological injury upon
an elderly person or disabled adult;

(VIOLATED – Physical injury by denial of simple procedures to
alleviate painful contractures of the hands and possible
disfigurement because of said contractures. Psychological abuse in
denial of company, stimulation, acts of caging.)



(b)  An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result
in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled
adult; or

(VIOLATED – Intentional denial of treatment for simple infection
with the knowledge that doing so would hasten death – 1993.)



(c)  Active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results
or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or
psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult.

(VIOLATED – By instructing caregivers not to provide relief of
contractures; by instructing doctors not to treat for simple
infection.)



A person who knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or
disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent
disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or
disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as
provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(2)  "Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" occurs
when a person:

(a)  Commits aggravated battery on an elderly person or disabled
adult;

(b)  Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and
unlawfully cages, an elderly person or disabled adult;

(VIOLATED – Denial of human comfort and spiritual comfort at
personal whim. Terri Schiavo is also wrongfully caged, kept confined
to a single room and without stimulation or ability to be taken
outside.)



(c)  Knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled
adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability,
or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult.

(VIOLATED – Terri suffers from severe contractures in her hands
because of lack of care.)



1.  A caregiver's failure or omission to provide an elderly person or
disabled adult with the care, supervision, and services necessary to
maintain the elderly person's or disabled adult's physical and mental
health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing,
shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent
person would consider essential for the well-being of the elderly
person or disabled adult; or

(VIOLATED – Denial of treatment of simple infection which would,
on Schiavo's own admission, hasten death, removal of food and water,
denial of medicine.)



2.  A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect an
elderly person or disabled adult from abuse, neglect, or exploitation
by another person.

(VIOLATED – The results of a 1991 bone scan, indicating multiple
and serious trauma to Terri's body were never reported or
investigated by her husband/guardian.)



825.103  Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled adult;
penalties.



(2)(a)  If the funds, assets, or property involved in the
exploitation of the elderly person or disabled adult is valued at
$100,000 or more, the offender commits a felony of the first degree,
punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(VIOLATED – Funds that were awarded to Terri Schiavo have been
spent down by Michael Schiavo to pay his legal fees. These funds were
awarded to Terri Schiavo as a medical management/rehabilitation
settlement and remain her property. Her guardian has all but wasted
her entire estate on his own legal pursuits.)



Heard enough?



Contact the Florida Judicial Qualifications Commission
http://www.flcourts.org/pubinfo/jqc/index.html

And tell them to remove Judge George Greer from the bench for failure
to discharge his duties as a guardianship jurist.

850-488-1581



Contact the Agency for Health Care Administration
http://www.fdhc.state.fl.us/index.shtml

888-419-3456

And tell them to investigate allegations of Abuse and Neglect against
Terri Schiavo



Contact the Department of Children and Families
http://www.state.fl.us/cf_web/

800-96-ABUSE

And tell them to provide protective custody for a disabled and
vulnerable citizen of Florida.



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Post From Free Republic:

Tomorrow (August 25, 2004), Highway 2 Health will present a special
broadcast dealing with the Terri Schiavo situation in Florida.

Host Peter Kawaja will present an open line forum to discuss both the
legal aspects and the human impact of Terri's case.

Scheduled to appear are Terri's father, Robert Schindler, Sr. and
Pamela Hennessy of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation.

You can tune in from 10.00 pm until 12.00 midnight at
http://highway2health.net/arch_1.htm

(The show may run longer than midnight!)  Record it if you can!

Highway 2 Health is brought to you by Tropic Wave Radio and deals
with healthcare and ethical issues of every type.

Please join us for this very important program.

Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2004

Time: 10.00pm ET (GMT-5)

Will last until at least midnight EDT or longer!

Place: http://highway2health.net

and http://highway2health.net/arch_1.htm

Dr. Hammesfahr (world reknowned Neurologist), examined Terri Schiavo
in May, 2002 (his report is dated September 12, 2002)
See his report here:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

He also testified in court on behalf of Terri's family, the
Schindlers.

Here are notes from an interview with Dr. Hammesfahr, which was
broadcast on Highway2Health, an online radio program, on January 7,
2004.  Margaret Juneman took notes during this interview.  Joe and
Margaret Juneman added notes in parenthesis.  Lisa Ruby added her own
notes in brackets.  At the end of the notes by Joe and Margaret (with
comments by Lisa), you will see Ron Panzer's notes which appeared in
his Hospice Patients Alliance (HPA) Newsletter the following day
(January 8, 2003).

You can see these notes here:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

(You must copy and paste each separate line into your address bar to
get the above link to work, since it is too long to show up right on
this site).

Note:  You must now pay to get access to the audio interview from
Highway2health.


Here are the notes:


Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

Listen to the archived 01/07/04  Highway2Health broadcast with Dr.
William Hammesfahr

Margaret Juneman's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

These are notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet
broadcast featuring Dr. Hammesfahr on Highway2health.net.

These notes were written by Margaret Juneman. Parenthetical
statements were added by Joe and Margaret Juneman. [Lisa's comments
are included in brackets.]

Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully
to restore deficits caused by stroke. His technique is approved by
Medicare, and he was nominated in 1999 for a Nobel prize for this
work which he started in 1994.

Dr. Hammesfahr has great success. Most doctors think a brain injury
that has been there awhile is not treatable. He has had success with
these cases and he is convinced Terri would improve. (Improvement
should not be required for Terri to be allowed to live).

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's behavior indicates that he is also
convinced Terri would improve. He is so sure Terri would improve with
therapy that he not only illegally prevents her from receiving
rehabilitation, but he keeps her under armed guard for fear someone
will give her  unauthorized sensory input! The phony persistent
vegetative state ruse is being maintained at all cost. It is no
wonder that Michael, with the blessings and protection of the court,
defies Florida law by denying Terri her legal right to
rehabilitation.]

According to Dr. William Hammesfahr, world renowned neurologist:

Terri's feeding tube is for the convenience of nurses; not because
Terri needs it. Terri does not drool. Liquid is the hardest thing to
swallow, and she swallows 1½ to 2 liters of saliva a day.

Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state or coma. She is a
living, thinking person who makes choices and decisions. This is
terrible. They are trying to kill her. While Dr. Hammesfahr was
examining her, he observed Terri chose to ignore her husband Michael
and the person taking the video.

When Terri heard her mother's voice, she smiled and tracked her.
Terri moved her arms and legs as Dr. Hammesfahr requested her to.

[Lisa's note: Dr. Hammesfahr mentioned that during his ten hour
examination, Terri responded well to verbal requests to move, and
even moved to the point where it caused her pain in order to comply
with a request. He indicated that such movements are definitely not
reflexive.]

(Videotapes show Terri reacting to people. These are at
terrisfight.org. Scroll down to Videos of Terri.) A persistent
vegetative state, by definition, allows no awareness of the world or
ability to interact with the world.

[Lisa's note: Judge Greer LIED and "found" Terri in a "persistent
vegetative state" in clear violation of the Florida statue, which
defines the term, "persistent vegetative state":

"Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible
condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a)  The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any
kind.

(b)  An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the
environment.

[Real Player is needed to view the videos.]

(The video entitled, "Asked to open her eyes" allows you to see and
hear the examination. When she opened her eyes on command, the doctor
said, There you go, good. Good! (Laughing) Good job! Good job, young
lady, good job!)

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]


Terri did not have a heart attack. There were no cardiac enzymes in
her blood, and no abnormalities in her EKG.

Terri was admitted into the emergency room with a very, very stiff
neck consistent with brand new injury to her neck.

[Lisa's note: Testimony given at a 2002 evidentiary hearing revealed
that Terri was presented at the emergency room with
an "extraordinarily rigid neck" described by one physician
as "consistent with attempted strangulation." See: Court to hear
petition to remove husband as guardian]

Dr. Hammesfahr had seen the combination of injuries Terri suffered
(spinal cord injury, brain injury, and neck injury) one other time.
That was in an attempted strangulation case.

A police report was sent to homicide. There was no follow-up; no
investigation by police. Dr. Hammesfahr said Terri's situation is
unique. He consistently sees wrong things happen to Terri. There is
no law enforcement follow-up now for fear of stepping on toes.

[Lisa's note: There is no law enforcement because the police fear the
people "in high places" who are trying to pull off this very
obviously ILLEGAL murder plot. Everyone closely involved with this
case knows that the plan to kill Terri is a government operation, and
they are either actively helping them with this agenda or passively
helping them by refusing to stand in their way.]

Terri's bone scan revealed Terri was a victim of multiple traumas -
doctors were mandated to report it. There was no history of trauma
prior to her marrying Michael. The fractures had to happen after
marrying him. First lumbar vertebra fracture is common when thrown
against a table.

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery! Of course this is illegal too, but he trusts
the governmental euthanasia planners to see to it that he suffers no
repercussions for habitually breaking laws in order to harm Terri.]

Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions
fail someone in so many ways.

[Lisa's note: When an extremely important facet of The Plan is in
process, everyone falls into step...or else. Some, however, fear God
more than certain governmental officials with satanic agendas.]

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Judge Greer would not allow an eye examination, even though she is
legally blind. She can only see objects 12 to 18 inches away.

[Lisa's note: Terri would be more responsive with eyeglasses. Of
course such increased responsiveness would conflict with the
judge's "finding" that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state, so
Terri is not permitted any help with her visual difficulties.]

She is isolated even though her condition demands sensory input.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's insistence upon Terri being
(illegally) kept in isolation is all for the purpose of making her
appear as "vegetative" as they possibly can. Even with such
outrageous abuse, Terri is still much too responsive for the
euthanasia planners' comfort level.]

Terri's medical records, which are legal documents, were falsified.
Detailed records of Terri's responsiveness were thrown away. Nurses
who were not even on duty wrote fraudulent reports as though they had
been caring for Terri.

[Lisa's note: Truth is an enemy when a "persistent vegetative state"
agenda is being imposed on a person who is not in such a state.]

Why is it that Terri has to prove herself worthy of living? This is
against the law in Florida. She is not in a persistent vegetative
state. She is not terminal, even though she has been (illegally) in a
hospice.

[Lisa's note: It is all about conditioning for the global government
which is being instituted in stages in the United States. Worthy
people (people who further the globalist agenda) live, the unworthy
(people who do not further the globalist agenda) are deemed worthy of
death. People are being conditioned to think of life and death in
these terms.]


(If the judge were to order a swallowing test, strict care would be
needed to ensure Terri were not sedated to the point she could not
swallow. )

[Lisa's note: Excellent point. Terri could be sedated at times it
is "crucial" for her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, such as
during examinations. Perhaps she is sedated on the whim of the people
managing her care. (This could be the main reason Michael will not
permit Terri's parents to see her medical records!) If Terri is
sedated, it is easier for them continue to perpetrate
their "persistent vegetative state" ruse. I think it is amazing that
even with all these ploys against her, Terri's natural beauty still
shines through.]

(This is not about letting her die because she is not dying. This is
about deliberately killing her: Murder.)

[Lisa's note: This is about seeking to murder Terri Schiavo, but it
is more. It is a crucial test to see how much euthanasia conditioning
the American people have already succumbed to. The euthanasia
planners have broken laws, manipulated Terri's care and records to
cause her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, and aided and
abetted Michael in committing felonies, in order to try to have a
targeted individual killed. What are you going to do about it?]


Dr. Hammesfahrs contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/
E-mail address hnihelp@...
Phone number 1-800-673-6400



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Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

Startling details about Terri Schindler Schiavo Revealed!

Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance Newsletter January 8, 2004

Notes on Wednesday nights' interview (1/7/04) with neurologist,
William Hammesfahr, MD.

WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, MD was interviewed Wednesday night on
Highway2health.net by Ron Panzer, President of Hospice Patients
Alliance. Dr. Hammesfahr is board certified in neurology and pain
management. He has spent many hours directly with Terri Schiavo and
reviewed the medical records directly. Dr. Hammesfahr unequivocally
stated that Terri is absolutely NOT in a persistent vegetative state
and definitely responds to instructions from those around her, that
she makes choices and shows decision-making ability in how she
responds.

Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the medical record was in a state of
shambles when it was given, that it was out of order by date and that
much of the medical record was never given to the Schindlers or Dr.
Hammesfahr! NEVER! Dr. Hammesfahr stated that there are notes in the
medical record by nurses who were NOT working at the time they stated
they were caring for Terri. Also, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that parts of
the medical record were completely missing! Dr. Hammesfahr explained
that Terri's blood sugar level upon admission to the hospital was
about 400 (373). When asked why it would be that high, since Terri
was NOT and is not a diabetic, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
emergency medical technicians who arrived by ambulance probably gave
Terri D-5-W, a dextrose in water solution. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed
that EMTs would check a patient's blood glucose level as part of
their routine, when assessing a patient like Terri who had collapsed.
The only reason they would give D-5-W would likely be that they
discovered upon testing Terri, that her blood sugar was LOW at the
time of the collapse. Since Terri was not HYPO-glycemic and was not
diabetic, a POSSIBLE explanation for Terri having LOW blood sugar at
the time of her collapse is that she may have been injected with
insulin.

Noted, of course, was the sworn AFFIDAVIT/testimony of a nurse who
cared for Terri later on in the early 1990s, that Terri was found
shaking, pale and agitated after a visit by Michael Schiavo. In that
nurse's affidavit, the nurse stated that she found a vial of insulin
in Terri's PRIVATE room. Since Terri did not have diabetes, there
would be no reason for a vial of insulin to be in the garbage can in
her room at the nursing home. Dr. Hammesfahr and I agreed that we had
never seen any nurse or physician bring a vial of insulin into a
patient's room when administering insulin. The standard of practice
is to prepare a medication beforehand at the nurse's station, note
what medication is given in the medication administration record, and
then bring the syringe with the insulin in it to the patient, but NOT
the vial.

That a vial of insulin was found in Terri's room is not normal
practice even if Terri were getting insulin, but she was NOT and
never was on insulin! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that, although Michael
Schiavo admits to "shaking Terri up" Terri's injuries and condition
are not explainable due to anyone shaking her head ... that her
clinical condition would have been different if that was the sole
cause of her brain injury. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the type of
injury and clinical condition Terri had at the time of her collapse
could be explained by a possible strangulation attempt and/or an
insulin injection combined with some form of attack or trauma.

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that no police investigation was done to
look into Terri's condition, even after a bone scan (13 months after
her collapse) revealed multiple TRAUMA and broken bones. Dr.
Hammesfahr stated that the broken bones could NOT be explained by any
form of bone disease, that these were ABSOLUTELY broken bones and
that it must have been done through trauma, injury to her. Dr.
Hammesfahr said that other physicians had also come to the same
conclusion. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Michael Schiavo kept these
bone scans and other medical records secret for over a DECADE. [They
were only released in 2002!]

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of
the heart but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her. He stated that Terri
had marked injury to her neck which still exists today, and that he
has only seen a similar injury, with spinal cord involvement as well
as brain injury, in one case where a patient had been strangled. He
stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her spine, which he stated is
common among persons being thrown against a table, for example. Dr.
Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in the
very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE
Michael got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that
after Michael got the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that in the early years, Terri had had a very
small device surgically implanted into her brain to provide
therapeutic very low dosages of electrical stimulation to the brain,
which could help Terri, and which DID help Terri when it was first
started. However, after Michael got the money, Michael did not allow
further attempts to help Terri in this way. In addition, Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that the device (or any device) implanted, would
normally be carefully monitored so that no infection would occur and
no harm come to the patient. However, in Terri's case that was not
done and has not been done.

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri was also tested with balloons
to see if she would follow the balloon with her eyes and head when
instructed to do so. Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri did follow
the balloons when instructed, and that she did so, even though
turning her head far enough to the side caused her pain. He pointed
out that reflex actions are usually to avoid pain, but in Terri's
case she turned her head into painful positions in order to follow
the instructions of the physician testing her. Dr. Hammesfahr
confirmed that several experts in neurology agree that Terri could
improve, can improve and that everything that should be done for her
is NOT being done. In fact, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
isolation and deliberate removal of all stimulation from Terri is
harming Terri, depriving her of the input and stimulation which would
help her reach a higher cognitive level and ability. He stated that
Terri should be getting much exposure to sights, sounds and other
forms of rehabilitation.

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that Dr. Ronald Cranford (who testified for
Michael Schiavo and George Felos' side - the right to die agenda) ...
that Dr. Cranford was NOT a neurologist and was not an expert in the
field. Also, that Dr. Cranford spent less than ONE hour with Terri
totally! Yet the court relied on Dr. Cranford's testimony, rather
than several other neurologists, including Dr. Hammesfahr. [The court
was not gathering information in order to rule based on fact, it was
simply following an agenda.]

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that as a physician and a person, he is
outraged at the mistreatment Terri is receiving and that the denial
of rehabilitation for Terri violates the standards of medical
practice! He can be contacted at: William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. 600
Druid Road East Clearwater, Florida 34616 Tel: 727.461.4464 [end of
notes on the interview - Ron Panzer]















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Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

Listen to the archived 01/07/04  Highway2Health broadcast with Dr.
William Hammesfahr

Margaret Juneman's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

These are notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet
broadcast featuring Dr. Hammesfahr on Highway2health.net.

These notes were written by Margaret Juneman. Parenthetical
statements were added by Joe and Margaret Juneman. [Lisa's comments
are included in brackets.]

Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully
to restore deficits caused by stroke. His technique is approved by
Medicare, and he was nominated in 1999 for a Nobel prize for this
work which he started in 1994.

Dr. Hammesfahr has great success. Most doctors think a brain injury
that has been there awhile is not treatable. He has had success with
these cases and he is convinced Terri would improve. (Improvement
should not be required for Terri to be allowed to live).

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's behavior indicates that he is also
convinced Terri would improve. He is so sure Terri would improve with
therapy that he not only illegally prevents her from receiving
rehabilitation, but he keeps her under armed guard for fear someone
will give her  unauthorized sensory input! The phony persistent
vegetative state ruse is being maintained at all cost. It is no
wonder that Michael, with the blessings and protection of the court,
defies Florida law by denying Terri her legal right to
rehabilitation.]

According to Dr. William Hammesfahr, world renowned neurologist:

Terri's feeding tube is for the convenience of nurses; not because
Terri needs it. Terri does not drool. Liquid is the hardest thing to
swallow, and she swallows 1½ to 2 liters of saliva a day.

Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state or coma. She is a
living, thinking person who makes choices and decisions. This is
terrible. They are trying to kill her. While Dr. Hammesfahr was
examining her, he observed Terri chose to ignore her husband Michael
and the person taking the video.

When Terri heard her mother's voice, she smiled and tracked her.
Terri moved her arms and legs as Dr. Hammesfahr requested her to.

[Lisa's note: Dr. Hammesfahr mentioned that during his ten hour
examination, Terri responded well to verbal requests to move, and
even moved to the point where it caused her pain in order to comply
with a request. He indicated that such movements are definitely not
reflexive.]

(Videotapes show Terri reacting to people. These are at
terrisfight.org. Scroll down to Videos of Terri.) A persistent
vegetative state, by definition, allows no awareness of the world or
ability to interact with the world.

[Lisa's note: Judge Greer LIED and "found" Terri in a "persistent
vegetative state" in clear violation of the Florida statue, which
defines the term, "persistent vegetative state":

"Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible
condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a)  The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any
kind.

(b)  An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the
environment.

[Real Player is needed to view the videos.]

(The video entitled, "Asked to open her eyes" allows you to see and
hear the examination. When she opened her eyes on command, the doctor
said, There you go, good. Good! (Laughing) Good job! Good job, young
lady, good job!)

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]


Terri did not have a heart attack. There were no cardiac enzymes in
her blood, and no abnormalities in her EKG.

Terri was admitted into the emergency room with a very, very stiff
neck consistent with brand new injury to her neck.

[Lisa's note: Testimony given at a 2002 evidentiary hearing revealed
that Terri was presented at the emergency room with
an "extraordinarily rigid neck" described by one physician
as "consistent with attempted strangulation." See: Court to hear
petition to remove husband as guardian]

Dr. Hammesfahr had seen the combination of injuries Terri suffered
(spinal cord injury, brain injury, and neck injury) one other time.
That was in an attempted strangulation case.

A police report was sent to homicide. There was no follow-up; no
investigation by police. Dr. Hammesfahr said Terri's situation is
unique. He consistently sees wrong things happen to Terri. There is
no law enforcement follow-up now for fear of stepping on toes.

[Lisa's note: There is no law enforcement because the police fear the
people "in high places" who are trying to pull off this very
obviously ILLEGAL murder plot. Everyone closely involved with this
case knows that the plan to kill Terri is a government operation, and
they are either actively helping them with this agenda or passively
helping them by refusing to stand in their way.]

Terri's bone scan revealed Terri was a victim of multiple traumas -
doctors were mandated to report it. There was no history of trauma
prior to her marrying Michael. The fractures had to happen after
marrying him. First lumbar vertebra fracture is common when thrown
against a table.

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery! Of course this is illegal too, but he trusts
the governmental euthanasia planners to see to it that he suffers no
repercussions for habitually breaking laws in order to harm Terri.]

Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions
fail someone in so many ways.

[Lisa's note: When an extremely important facet of The Plan is in
process, everyone falls into step...or else. Some, however, fear God
more than certain governmental officials with satanic agendas.]

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Judge Greer would not allow an eye examination, even though she is
legally blind. She can only see objects 12 to 18 inches away.

[Lisa's note: Terri would be more responsive with eyeglasses. Of
course such increased responsiveness would conflict with the
judge's "finding" that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state, so
Terri is not permitted any help with her visual difficulties.]

She is isolated even though her condition demands sensory input.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's insistence upon Terri being
(illegally) kept in isolation is all for the purpose of making her
appear as "vegetative" as they possibly can. Even with such
outrageous abuse, Terri is still much too responsive for the
euthanasia planners' comfort level.]

Terri's medical records, which are legal documents, were falsified.
Detailed records of Terri's responsiveness were thrown away. Nurses
who were not even on duty wrote fraudulent reports as though they had
been caring for Terri.

[Lisa's note: Truth is an enemy when a "persistent vegetative state"
agenda is being imposed on a person who is not in such a state.]

Why is it that Terri has to prove herself worthy of living? This is
against the law in Florida. She is not in a persistent vegetative
state. She is not terminal, even though she has been (illegally) in a
hospice.

[Lisa's note: It is all about conditioning for the global government
which is being instituted in stages in the United States. Worthy
people (people who further the globalist agenda) live, the unworthy
(people who do not further the globalist agenda) are deemed worthy of
death. People are being conditioned to think of life and death in
these terms.]


(If the judge were to order a swallowing test, strict care would be
needed to ensure Terri were not sedated to the point she could not
swallow. )

[Lisa's note: Excellent point. Terri could be sedated at times it
is "crucial" for her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, such as
during examinations. Perhaps she is sedated on the whim of the people
managing her care. (This could be the main reason Michael will not
permit Terri's parents to see her medical records!) If Terri is
sedated, it is easier for them continue to perpetrate
their "persistent vegetative state" ruse. I think it is amazing that
even with all these ploys against her, Terri's natural beauty still
shines through.]

(This is not about letting her die because she is not dying. This is
about deliberately killing her: Murder.)

[Lisa's note: This is about seeking to murder Terri Schiavo, but it
is more. It is a crucial test to see how much euthanasia conditioning
the American people have already succumbed to. The euthanasia
planners have broken laws, manipulated Terri's care and records to
cause her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, and aided and
abetted Michael in committing felonies, in order to try to have a
targeted individual killed. What are you going to do about it?]


Dr. Hammesfahrs contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/
E-mail address hnihelp@...
Phone number 1-800-673-6400



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Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

Startling details about Terri Schindler Schiavo Revealed!

Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance Newsletter January 8, 2004

Notes on Wednesday nights' interview (1/7/04) with neurologist,
William Hammesfahr, MD.

WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, MD was interviewed Wednesday night on
Highway2health.net by Ron Panzer, President of Hospice Patients
Alliance. Dr. Hammesfahr is board certified in neurology and pain
management. He has spent many hours directly with Terri Schiavo and
reviewed the medical records directly. Dr. Hammesfahr unequivocally
stated that Terri is absolutely NOT in a persistent vegetative state
and definitely responds to instructions from those around her, that
she makes choices and shows decision-making ability in how she
responds.

Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the medical record was in a state of
shambles when it was given, that it was out of order by date and that
much of the medical record was never given to the Schindlers or Dr.
Hammesfahr! NEVER! Dr. Hammesfahr stated that there are notes in the
medical record by nurses who were NOT working at the time they stated
they were caring for Terri. Also, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that parts of
the medical record were completely missing! Dr. Hammesfahr explained
that Terri's blood sugar level upon admission to the hospital was
about 400 (373). When asked why it would be that high, since Terri
was NOT and is not a diabetic, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
emergency medical technicians who arrived by ambulance probably gave
Terri D-5-W, a dextrose in water solution. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed
that EMTs would check a patient's blood glucose level as part of
their routine, when assessing a patient like Terri who had collapsed.
The only reason they would give D-5-W would likely be that they
discovered upon testing Terri, that her blood sugar was LOW at the
time of the collapse. Since Terri was not HYPO-glycemic and was not
diabetic, a POSSIBLE explanation for Terri having LOW blood sugar at
the time of her collapse is that she may have been injected with
insulin.

Noted, of course, was the sworn AFFIDAVIT/testimony of a nurse who
cared for Terri later on in the early 1990s, that Terri was found
shaking, pale and agitated after a visit by Michael Schiavo. In that
nurse's affidavit, the nurse stated that she found a vial of insulin
in Terri's PRIVATE room. Since Terri did not have diabetes, there
would be no reason for a vial of insulin to be in the garbage can in
her room at the nursing home. Dr. Hammesfahr and I agreed that we had
never seen any nurse or physician bring a vial of insulin into a
patient's room when administering insulin. The standard of practice
is to prepare a medication beforehand at the nurse's station, note
what medication is given in the medication administration record, and
then bring the syringe with the insulin in it to the patient, but NOT
the vial.

That a vial of insulin was found in Terri's room is not normal
practice even if Terri were getting insulin, but she was NOT and
never was on insulin! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that, although Michael
Schiavo admits to "shaking Terri up" Terri's injuries and condition
are not explainable due to anyone shaking her head ... that her
clinical condition would have been different if that was the sole
cause of her brain injury. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the type of
injury and clinical condition Terri had at the time of her collapse
could be explained by a possible strangulation attempt and/or an
insulin injection combined with some form of attack or trauma.

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that no police investigation was done to
look into Terri's condition, even after a bone scan (13 months after
her collapse) revealed multiple TRAUMA and broken bones. Dr.
Hammesfahr stated that the broken bones could NOT be explained by any
form of bone disease, that these were ABSOLUTELY broken bones and
that it must have been done through trauma, injury to her. Dr.
Hammesfahr said that other physicians had also come to the same
conclusion. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Michael Schiavo kept these
bone scans and other medical records secret for over a DECADE. [They
were only released in 2002!]

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of
the heart but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her. He stated that Terri
had marked injury to her neck which still exists today, and that he
has only seen a similar injury, with spinal cord involvement as well
as brain injury, in one case where a patient had been strangled. He
stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her spine, which he stated is
common among persons being thrown against a table, for example. Dr.
Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in the
very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE
Michael got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that
after Michael got the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that in the early years, Terri had had a very
small device surgically implanted into her brain to provide
therapeutic very low dosages of electrical stimulation to the brain,
which could help Terri, and which DID help Terri when it was first
started. However, after Michael got the money, Michael did not allow
further attempts to help Terri in this way. In addition, Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that the device (or any device) implanted, would
normally be carefully monitored so that no infection would occur and
no harm come to the patient. However, in Terri's case that was not
done and has not been done.

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri was also tested with balloons
to see if she would follow the balloon with her eyes and head when
instructed to do so. Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri did follow
the balloons when instructed, and that she did so, even though
turning her head far enough to the side caused her pain. He pointed
out that reflex actions are usually to avoid pain, but in Terri's
case she turned her head into painful positions in order to follow
the instructions of the physician testing her. Dr. Hammesfahr
confirmed that several experts in neurology agree that Terri could
improve, can improve and that everything that should be done for her
is NOT being done. In fact, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
isolation and deliberate removal of all stimulation from Terri is
harming Terri, depriving her of the input and stimulation which would
help her reach a higher cognitive level and ability. He stated that
Terri should be getting much exposure to sights, sounds and other
forms of rehabilitation.

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that Dr. Ronald Cranford (who testified for
Michael Schiavo and George Felos' side - the right to die agenda) ...
that Dr. Cranford was NOT a neurologist and was not an expert in the
field. Also, that Dr. Cranford spent less than ONE hour with Terri
totally! Yet the court relied on Dr. Cranford's testimony, rather
than several other neurologists, including Dr. Hammesfahr. [The court
was not gathering information in order to rule based on fact, it was
simply following an agenda.]

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that as a physician and a person, he is
outraged at the mistreatment Terri is receiving and that the denial
of rehabilitation for Terri violates the standards of medical
practice! He can be contacted at: William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. 600
Druid Road East Clearwater, Florida 34616 Tel: 727.461.4464 [end of
notes on the interview - Ron Panzer]

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

You can read these notes without Lisa's comments and without Ron
Panzer's notes here:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/hamm.htm

NEW PRESS RELEASE FROM TERRISFIGHT.ORG
(DATED 8/2/04) APPEARS AT END OF THIS POST




Michael Schiavo Fails to Show for Deposition,
Terri Possibly Hospitalized

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
August 5, 2004

Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Though it wasn't a shock to the
family of Terri Schiavo, her estranged husband Michael failed to show
up this week for a deposition that a local judge allowed. Attorneys
for Terri's parents hoped to depose Michael Schiavo in their case to
replace him with a new legal guardian.

Meanwhile, Terri's family is concerned that Terri has recently been
secretly hospitalized and that Michael has failed to follow a court
order requiring him to update Terri's parents on any changes in her
medical condition.

For the second time in as many requests, Michael failed to show up
for a scheduled deposition. Late last month, Circuit Court Judge
George Greer allowed Terri's parents to depose Michael.

"Schiavo's deposition disregard is in defiance to a Clearwater court
ruling that attorneys representing the parents of Terri Schindler-
Schiavo can examine Michael Schiavo under oath," the Schindler family
said in a statement.

Bob and Mary Schindler are also concerned about their daughter's
medical condition.

During a visit on July 30, the Schindlers noticed a hospital
wristband from Mease-Countryside Hospital on their daughter's arm.

When they asked staff at the Park Place Assisted Living Facility,
where Terri resides, about the hospitalization, they were told that
Michael had phoned the facility and prevented staff from disclosing
any details.

Michael was called a second time and he, again, refused to provide
any information about Terri's medical status.

A 1996 court order compels Michael Schiavo to disclose changes in
Terri's medical condition to her parents and to notify the staff that
they can provide details as well.

Terri's parents have accused Michael of violating this order on
several occasions and they have filed suit seeking to remove Michael
as Terri's guardian because of this and other reasons.

"This particular court order defiance is ongoing. Mr. Schiavo
continues to deny the Schindlers information about their daughter's
medical condition," the statement provided to LifeNews.com read.

In his deposition order, Judge Greer said family attorney Pat
Anderson could depose both Michael and Jodi Centonze, Michael's live-
in fiance since 1997 and the mother of two children with Terri's
husband.

The Schindlers, in their guardianship lawsuit, point to Michael's
refusal to use money from a $700,000 medical malpractice award for
medical care or rehabilitative treatment for Terri. As a result of
the lack of care her health has deteriorated and five of Terri's
teeth had to be extracted recently.

They also say Michael has abrogated his duties by failing to comply
with a Florida statute requiring guardians to establish an annual
medical care plan for patients under their watch.

Michael Schiavo has failed to file the annual care plan since August
2001.

Greer has not made a final decision on their request for change in
guardianship.

http://www.lifenews.com/bio411.html

Note:  ***terrisfight.org just issued a NEW press release which can
be found at end of this post!***




Judge George Greer has ordered that a Writ of Quo Warranto filed on
behalf of Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, be
dismissed and dissolved. In his order, Greer suggests that Mr. and
Mrs. Schindler already have ample legal remedy with a November 15,
2002 petition... (Continued below)

(Note: This ^ is referring to the "Petition To Remove Guardian &
Appoint Successor Guardian". This petition is in full text on this
site-see msg. with this in subject line - saveterrislife)

to remove Terri's husband as her guardian which has yet to be
resolved in Greer's court. Additionally, Greer states
that "extraordinary relief will not be granted in cases where the
granting of it will result in confusion and disorder."


VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation:
http://terrisfight.org/press/070704writ.html

Writ of Quo Warranto Dismissed

(Note from saveterrislife, moderator of this website: Writ of Quo
Warranto, although dismissed by Greer, is still VERY IMPORTANT as it
states Terri's rights which are being denied her, and have been for
almost a dozen years now. You may find the full Writ of Quo Warranto
posted on this site. I converted it from a pdf into text and added
all of the statutes cited in the Writ of Quo Warranto. The Writ was
transcribed from the pdf version @ zimp.org (see below)

The document spoken of above can be found in pdf form at link below:
The PETITION FOR WRIT OF QUO WARRANTO - APRIL 26, 2004
RE: GUARDIANSHIP OF TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
can be found here:
http://www.zimp.org/documents/qw.pdf
(The full text version of this Writ of Quo Warranto * with statutes *
is on THIS site - saveterrislife)


Judge George Greer has ordered that a Writ of Quo Warranto filed on
behalf of Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, be
dismissed and dissolved.

In his order, Greer suggests that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler already have
ample legal remedy with a November 15, 2002 petition...
(continued below)

(Note: This ^ is referring to the Nov. 15, 2002 "Petition To Remove
Guardian & Appoint Successor Guardian". This petition is in full text
on this site-see msg. with this title in subject line -
saveterrislife)

to remove Terri's husband as her guardian which has yet to be
resolved in Greer's court. Additionally, Greer states
that "extraordinary relief will not be granted in cases where the
granting of it will result in confusion and disorder."

Through their attorneys, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler brought forth a
petition for Writ of Quo Warranto, which asks that Terri's husband be
required to demonstrate under what authority he continues to act as
Terri's guardian. The basis for their petition was that Terri's
husband had failed to file guardianship plans on an annual basis as
required by Florida Statute 744.3675, had isolated her and had
apparently neglected her healthcare needs to the point that five
teeth had been extracted due to decay.

Additionally, the petition for Writ of Quo Warranto states that,
under Florida Statute 744.369(8), "the approved report constitutes
the authority for the guardian to act in the forthcoming year. The
powers of the guardian are limited by the terms of the report." As
Terri's husband had not filed guardianship plans for the periods of
08/01/2001 through 07/31/2002 and 08/01/2002 through 07/31/2003 until
June 1, 2004, Bob and Mary Schindler contend that he has not complied
with state requirements that allow him to act as their daughter's
guardian.

Related Documents:

Greer's Order dismissing Writ of Quo Warranto

Petition for Writ of Quo Warranto

Filing of Guardianship Plans June 1, 2004


http://terrisfight.org/press/070704writ.html

(End of update from The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation)

_________________________________________________________________

The document spoken of above can be found in pdf form at link below:
(PETITION FOR WRIT OF QUO WARRANTO - APRIL 26, 2004)
RE: GUARDIANSHIP OF TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
can be found here:
http://www.zimp.org/documents/qw.pdf



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NOW, TO THE NEW PRESS RELEASE FROM TERRISFIGHT.ORG:

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Press Release
For Immediate Release - 8/02/2004 12.00 PM (GMT-5)


Michael Schiavo fails to show for deposition

St Petersburg, FL – For a second time, Michael Schiavo failed to
appear for a deposition that was scheduled for 11:00 a.m. today.
Schiavo employed the same "no show" tactic in a similar instance a
few years ago.

Schiavo's deposition disregard is in defiance to a Clearwater court
ruling that attorneys representing the parents of Terri Schindler-
Schiavo can examine Michael Schiavo under oath. Schiavo has also
ignored a Court order obliging him to disclose information to Terri's
family pertaining to Terri's medical status.

In his recent July 2004 ruling, Judge Greer of Pinellas-Pasco
County's Sixth Judicial Circuit stated that both Michael Schiavo and
Jodi Centonze, his fiancé since 1997 and mother of his two children,
could be deposed by attorney Patricia Anderson in the guardianship
case involving his disabled wife, Terri Schiavo.

Important Development...

Since the scheduling of this deposition, new developments have come
to light. On July 30, 2004, Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler,
visited her at Park Place Assisted Living Facility. Michael Schiavo
(via telephone to the staff) denied Terri's parents permission to
bring a music CD into their daughter's room for Terri's listening
enjoyment.

Additionally, the Schindlers noticed a wrist band on Terri from
Mease-Countryside Hospital and inquired as to when and why their
daughter had been hospitalized. A second phone call was placed to Mr.
Schiavo, Terri's guardian, to ask permission to disclose details to
Terri's parents. Again, Mr. Schiavo denied his permission.

A 1996 court order compels Michael Schiavo to disclose changes in
Terri's medical condition to her parents and to notify the staff that
they may do just that. Once again, Mr. Schiavo decided not to follow
that court order. This particular court order defiance is ongoing.
Mr. Schiavo continues to deny the Schindlers information about their
daughter's medical condition.

Michael Schiavo has sought to end Terri's life by dehydration and
starvation since 1998, and also previously ordered that she be
deprived of medical treatment for a life-threatening infection. Her
parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of Florida, have fought tirelessly to
save their daughter's life.

http://www.terrisfight.org