TERRI-WATCH 10-6-04, WED. NIGHT! CBS' 60 Minutes TV SHOW features
Hydrocephalus + INFO. + tons of links!

According to this video, they can take the tube out at any time.
To: melissa roxanne
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 8:30 PM
Subject: Video of Hearing About Terri

Video of hearing on Terri

http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/2004/09/040930schiavo.shtml


According to this video, they can take the tube out at any time.



CBS 60 MINUTES
IS HAVING A SEGMENT ON
HYDROCEPHALUS
ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, OCTOBER 6, 2004
FROM 8-9 PM EASTERN (EDT).

----- Original Message -----
From: The Hydrocephalus Association
To: melissa roxanne
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:26 PM
Subject: 60 Minutes features Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus

Dear Members and Friends:

This Wednesday, October 6, at 8:00PM EST, the television show 60
Minutes (CBS) will feature a segment on Adult Onset Normal Pressure
Hydrocephalus, NPH. Please tune in and tell all your friends.

For more information, visit our website:
http://www.hydroassoc.org/60minutes.htm



We'll be watching and we hope you will too.


The Hydrocephalus Association


The Hydrocephalus Association
870 Market Stree, Suite 705
San Francisco, CA 94102
http://hydroassoc.org

(end of e-mail)


Melissa Roxanne Stanley will be a guest on Butch Chancellor's
internet radio broadcast, These Orwellian Times on Thursday, October
7. Topic: TERRI SCHIAVO. Time:  8am - 9am Pacific, 9am- 10am
Mountain, 10am -11am Central,  and 11am - 12am Eastern time. more...

http://libertytothecaptives.net/melissa_on_these_orwellian_times.html



On Air

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Thursday October 7 - 04

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Online Researcher
e-mail:
saveterrislife@...
Website http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages

Topic: Research Results - Part Two
in a Three Part Series
on Terri Schindler-Schiavo

Melissa Stanley will continue to present detailed evidence in this
blatantly corrupt case which most people have never heard. She will
also dispel the prolific lies which have been intentionally fed to
the public in order to further this murderous plot to finish off
Terri and move on to the rest of those deemed expendable. We must do
what is right to save Terri and all the others who will certainly
follow if we do nothing. In this corrupt and evil world, any one of
us could be chosen next . Don't think the Holocaust could never
happen again. It all began with the killing of one disabled baby boy.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Please
stand up now before it's too late for all of us. Hear the truth and
demand justice for Terri and all humanity. Listen to "These Orwellian
Times" before it's too late. -- Melissa Roxanne Stanley




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From: "melissa roxanne"
To: <vetzine@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:55 AM
Subject: Info. to read on your show - Re: Terri Has Hydrocephalus


Hi Butch,
I am working on a post for my site re: Hydrocephalus, Bone Scan showed
TRAUMA, CLOSED HEAD INJURY, numerous broken bones, etc. plus what Dr.
Hammesfahr stated in his complete exam re:  Terri and her injuries /
condition.  I am also posting info. re: Traumatic Brain Injury (and
the fact that violence is a major cause) plus quotes re:  Terri's
injuries from experts such as Neurologist Dr. Hammesfahr and famous
Forensic Pathologist Dr. Michael Baden.  I am posting the CBS' 60
Minutes TV segment on Hydrocephalus which airs tomorrow night from 8-
9 PM EDT, too.  This is what I am working on right now.  I will send
you the short info. on the show and maybe some longer info. later
which will be going up on my site asap.

Please urge everyone to watch the segment on 60 minutes and to tape
it if they can.

Let them know Terri DOES HAVE hydrocephalus and it can be treated and
MUST BE TREATED!  WE MUST DEMAND SHE GET TREATMENT for this condition
caused by her husband, Michael, from TRAUMA TO THE HEAD, as evidenced
on her bone scan.

If Terri was treated for her hydrocephalus, her condition would
greatly improve, according to all the evidence I have researched.
However, without treatment, this can be life threatening and surely
is not good for Terri.

Her cognitive (thinking) ability and so much more would improve with
treatment for the hydrocephalus, (which is why Michael would never
allow it), nor has anyone except Dr. Hammesfahr ever mentioned Terri
had this condition.  Instead, Michael and his attorney, Judge Greer,
the 2nd District Court of Appeal (2nd DCA) have all FLAT OUT LIED
about Terri's brain, cerebral cortex, fluid filled brain, missing
brain tissue, Terri's condition, and the fact that there is treatment
for it which is done everyday, and is not experimental.  (Plus, Greer
ruling that she is in a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS) and using a
fake definition which is illegal instead of the Florida statue
definition of PVS.)

They have all (see above paragraph) claimed there is NOTHING which
can be done for Terri and that she WILL NEVER GET BETTER.  They even
said nothing short of a MIRACLE could recreate her missing brain!

Tests were done on Terri which were not done they way they should
have been such as an EEG.  Terri was restless during the test which
created artifact. The artifact (noise due to the movement) was
removed and proof of her brainwave activity was erased along with the
artifact!  Terri's brainwaves were therefore erased!  None of this is
ever mentioned (except by Dr. Hammesfahr!)

A  simple shunt can be placed into Terri's brain to drain the excess
cerebrospinal fluid which built up after she suffered TRAUMA to her
head (due to Michael).  Another thing which can cause hydrocephalus
is the electrodes (brain implant) which was experimental surgery
Michael elected Terri to undergo without first obtaining prior court
permission.  This violates Florida statute, which isn't surprising,
as he has flagrantly violated numerous statues and committed felonies
time and again, without any punishment whatsoever from anyone!  Since
Michael refused to allow Terri to get follow up consultations after
the brain implant surgery (she was showing progress including
speaking!) Terri could have developed infection and hydrocephalus due
to this as well, or her hydrocephalus most likely WORSENED due to
lack of follow up therapy on the electrodes placed in her brain.

Note:  If new evidence surfaces, Terri is supposed to receive a new
trial. She should get a grand jury trial!  This should stop them all
in their tracks from their attempted murder!  Simple medical tests
could prove Terri has hydrocephalus and there is tons of evidence on
its treatment and that it would greatly improve Terri's condition.
Dr. Hammesfahr also has treatment that would greatly benefit Terri
and has offered to provide it free of charge.  Hyperbaric oxygen
therapy would benefit Terri as well.  These things and all of the
forms of therapy (physical, occupational, speech-language, vision,
neuropsychological therapy and other therapies) she has been denied
for a dozen years would DRAMATICALLY improve Terri's condition.

It will all depend on how much noise we can make and how many people
actually DO SOMETHING!

You can read this on your show if you'd like.  I will be addressing
all of this on your show and will send more info. asap re: all of
this.

Melissa

End of e-mail to Butch


60 Minutes TERRI - WATCH 10-6-04, WED. NIGHT!
CBS' 60 Minutes TV SHOW features Hydrocephalus + INFO. + tons of
links!


It's about NORMAL PRESSURE HYDROCEPHALUS (NPH) WHICH IS WHAT TERRI
HAS!

Many adults are being (Probably PURPOSELY) misdiagnosed as having
Alzheimers and Parkinson's Disease when they really have
hydrocephalus (probably to get them in nursing homes or hospices, or
under hospice care, then to have feeding tubes put in, then removed
to kill them, or to have them murdered by morphine!)

Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

(SHORT AND TO THE POINT) THIS IS A CONDITION INVOLVING CEREBRAL
SPINAL FLUID DUE TO HEAD TRAUMA AND LACK OF FOLLOW UP CARE AFTER
ILLEGALLY DONE (WITHOUT PRIOR COURT APPROVAL) EXPERIMENTAL BRAIN
IMPLANT (ELECTRODES)!  NO FOLLOW UP CARE AFTER BRAIN IMPLANT SURGERY
CAN CAUSE INFECTION AND HYDROCEPHALUS AS WELL!


Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations -
Go to http://libertytothecaptives.net and look for article titled
Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus under "must see" (middle column).

Or click on link below:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html
After you get to the above article called "Terri Has Hydrocephalus".
click on link at top to read
"Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations"
as there is FAR MORE INFO. THERE RE:  HYDROCEPHALUS & MORE!

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

Info. Re: Hydrocephalus including that it's caused by HEAD TRAUMA
(from MICHAEL SCHIAVO!)

What Is Hydrocephalus?


Hydrocephalus comes from the Greek: "hydro" means water, "cephalus"
means head. Hydrocephalus is an abnormal accumulation of
cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) within cavities called ventricles inside
the brain. CSF is produced in the ventricles, circulates through the
ventricular system and is absorbed into the bloodstream. CSF is in
constant circulation and has many important functions. It surrounds
the brain and spinal cord and acts as a protective cushion against
injury. CSF contains nutrients and proteins necessary for the
nourishment and normal function of the brain. It also carries waste
products away from surrounding tissues. Hydrocephalus occurs when
there is an imbalance between the amount of CSF that is produced and
the rate at which it is absorbed. As the CSF builds up, it causes the
ventricles to enlarge and the pressure inside the head to increase.

Hydrocephalus that is congenital (present at birth) is thought to be
caused by a complex interaction of environmental and perhaps genetic
factors. Aqueductal stenosis and spina bifida are two examples.
Acquired hydrocephalus may result from intraventricular hemorrhage,
meningitis, head trauma, tumors and cysts. Hydrocephalus is believed
to occur in about 2 out of 1,000 births. The incidences of adult-
onset hydrocephalus and acquired hydrocephalus are not known.

How Is Hydrocephalus Treated?

There is no known way to prevent or cure hydrocephalus. The most
effective treatment is surgical insertion of a shunt. Learn more
about shunts. Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is growing in
popularity as an alternative treatment method for hydrocephalus.
Learn more about third ventriculostomy.


http://www.hydroassoc.org/information/information.htm

adult-onset normal
pressure hydrocephalus  (NPH)
http://www.hydroassoc.org/information/nph.html

Read our NPH FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions).


http://www.hydroassoc.org/resources/resources.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/services/services.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/membership_info/membership.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/events/events.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/newsletter/newsletter.htm

http://www.hydroassoc.org/donations.asp

http://www.hydroassoc.org/links/links.htm

Directory of Doctors

http://216.82.69.38/default.asp



http://www.hydroassoc.org/../info_request/information_request.asp

(I did this already and received the info!)




For more information on hydrocephalus and the Hydrocephalus
Association, fill out our Information Request Form or contact us by
telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.


   Evidence Terri was beaten! see link to early medical report!

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm Transcript
of Bone Scan - Except they forgot "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"!


----- Original Message -----
From: The Hydrocephalus Association
To: melissa roxanne
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:26 PM
Subject: 60 Minutes features Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus

Dear Members and Friends:

This Wednesday, October 6, at 8:00PM EST, the television show 60
Minutes (CBS) will feature a segment on Adult Onset Normal Pressure
Hydrocephalus, NPH. Please tune in and tell all your friends.

For more information, visit our website:
http://www.hydroassoc.org/60minutes.htm



We'll be watching and we hope you will too.


The Hydrocephalus Association



              Hydrocephalus Association



The Hydrocephalus Association
870 Market Stree, Suite 705
San Francisco, CA 94102

EXTENSIVE EVIDENCE LISTED IN THIS POST!  PLEASE READ!
I will be a guest on Butch Chancellor's Radio Program
"These Orwellian Times"
presenting a 3 Part Series
on Terri Schindler-Schiavo.
Part 1 - Monday, Oct. 4, 2004
Part 2 - Thursday, Oct. 7, 2004
Part 3 - Monday, Oct. 11, 2004


On Air

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Monday October 4 - 04

Melissa Roxanne Stanley
Online Researcher
e-mail:
saveterrislife@...
Website http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages

Topic:
Research Results - Part One
Stanley begins the first of a three part series in which she presents
the results of her research into the facts in the Terri Schindler case
on, "These Orwellian Times". Stanley's account begins by debunking
Terri's, "mysterious collapse" and proceeds, fact by fact through the
first State ordered to effort to kill Terri.


Note from Melissa (saveterrislife):
It is ILLEGAL to withhold ORAL (by mouth) food and water EVEN IF if a
Judge orders that a feeding tube can be removed from a person.  Even
though it is illegal, Terri was not given food or water by mouth the
last TWO TIMES her feeding tube was removed.



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Butch's blog has lots of info. re: Terri.
Plus, other guests, such as Diane Coleman,
of Not Dead yet, will be on his radio program
on Tuesday, Oct. 5, 2004 talking about Terri.




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Proof Jeb Bush Can And Should Free Terri Schindler-Schiavo
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/30

PLEASE USE THE ABOVE INFORMATION TO SEND TO BUSH AND OTHERS!
PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE & POST EVERYWHERE
IN ORDER TO SAVE TERRI'S LIFE!


Melissa Roxanne Stanley
FLORIDA CITIZEN
ONLINE RESEARCHER AND VOCAL TERRI SUPPORTER
e-mail: saveterrislife@...
Website http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/messages


Make sure Jeb Bush knows WE KNOW
he can stop this attempted murder
of an innocent, disabled woman!


Florida Governor Jeb Bush
phone: 850-488-7146
email: jeb.bush@... or jeb@...
fax: 850-487-0801 or 850-922-4292
Press Secretary - phone: 850-488-5394
Assistant Donovan Brown - phone: 850-410-0501



PLEASE CALL, FAX, & E-MAIL FL GOVERNOR JEB BUSH
RE: SAVING TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO NOW!



STOP THE MURDER OF AN INNOCENT HUMAN BEING!




The Schiavo Case: Right to Die or Right to Kill?


By Mary Beth Bonacci
Herald Columnist
(From the issue of 12/18/03)

I'm getting tired of hearing how "right wing zealots" are denying
Terri Schiavo her constitutional "right to die."

For those of you unfamiliar with the Schiavo case, let me summarize.
In 1990, a 26-year-old woman named Terri Schiavo collapsed in her
home. No one knows why.

(Note from Melissa:  There is much evidence to support that Terri was
severely beaten and strangled on February 25, 1990.  No one was home
with her except her husband, who has been trying for years to put her
to death (as in murder), illegally, by every way he possibly can.
See evidence below this article.  Melissa)

She lapsed into a coma, from which she emerged several weeks later.
Since that time, she has been in what doctors call a "locked in"
state. (Note from Melissa:  This is not true.  Terri is NOT in any
such state.  she responds to commands, laughs, smiles, cries, and
tries her best to communicate, despite being denied any and all forms
of therapy for over 10 years! See evidence of this below.  Melissa)

According to her family's Web site, "she is responsive to stimuli,
interacts with her environment and her loved ones and is capable of
communicating in limited ways … ."

After emerging from her coma, Terri's doctors noted her efforts to
speak and her responsiveness to external stimuli. She was able to eat
Jell-O and was speaking words.

But after a 1993 court settlement awarded Terri $1.2 million, her
husband and guardian Michael Schiavo — who had promised to use the
money to rehabilitate and care for Terri "for the rest of her life" —
ordered that her rehabilitative therapy be stopped. As a result,
Terri once again lost the ability to eat, and a feeding tube was
inserted to nourish and hydrate her.

In 1998 Schiavo petitioned the circuit courts of Pinellas County,
Fla. to end her life by removing her feeding tube. After a protracted
legal battle between Schiavo and Terri's parents, the court ordered
in the fall of 2003 that the tubes be removed. (Note from Melissa:
It is illegal to withhold ORAL - by mouth- food and water from a
person even AFTER a Judge orders their feeding tube removed!  Terri's
feeding tube was also removed for 60 hours in April, 2001.  It was
reinserted after new evidence came forth that her husband told his ex-
girfriend that Terri never told him she had any wishes to die if she
ever had any "tube" or was incapacitated or "a burden" etc. Despite
this new evidence, Judge Greer would not stop the illegal attempted
murder.  The family's attorneys went to another Judge, Judge Quesada,
and he ordered the illegal murder stopped and the tube reinserted
after 60 hours.  This was the first time the feeding tube was
removed.  Melissa)  They were indeed removed, which would have caused
Terri to die of starvation and dehydration within 10 to 14 days.
(Note from Melissa:  Remember, withholding ORAL food and water is
illegal - This is MURDER! ) But Florida governor Jeb Bush and the
state legislature intervened, passing "Terri's Law" and requiring the
reinsertion of the tubes while the matter is examined more thoroughly.

(Note from Melissa:  Governor Bush had the power as Governor to make
sure Terri was not illegally dehydrated and starved and the power to
order a full scale investigation into the entire matter, but he
refused to do so.  At least 6 attorneys / law firms came forward,
researched the case, and informed Governor Bush he had the power as
Governor to stop the attempted murder of Terri Schiavo.  They wrote
and delivered letters and memos to Governor Bush on the first day
Terri's feeding tube was removed and on the second day after Terri's
feeding tube was removed.  Terri was also being denied (illegally)
ORAL, meaning by MOUTH, food and water during the entire time her
tube was removed.  The Governor chose to ignore the attorneys' expert
advice imploring him he could stop the tortuous death by dehydration
of a vulnerable, innocent, disabled adult which evidence showed (and
still shows) had been strangled and beaten severely on February 25,
1990.  Instead, Governor Bush allowed Terri to dehydrate and starve,
illegally, for almost 7 days, until Terri's Law was passed, which he,
the Legislature, and the media all claimed, "empowered" Governor Bush
to step in and stop the attempted murder.  This is a LIE!  Governor
Bush had the power all along to stop this illegal attempted murder by
torture, and he still does!  Now, Terri's Law has been ruled
unconstitutional by the Florida Supreme Court (as of September 23,
2004).  Terri is right now very much in danger of being illegally
dehydrated to death once again (for the THIRD TIME!  Please make sure
this DOES NOT HAPPEN to Terri once again!  Melissa)

And so Terri Schiavo's life hangs in the balance.

Many in the media are hailing this as a "right to die" case. They say
that Terri is in persistent vegetative state, that she has no hope of
meaningful life, and that she should be allowed to die.

But make no mistake — this is most definitely not a right-to-die
case. It's a right-to-kill case. And the stakes are high, not just
for Terri, but for all of the vulnerable, disabled people of the
world.

First of all, numerous doctors have observed that Terri is not in a
persistent vegetative state. The state of Florida defines persistent
vegetative state as "a permanent and irreversible state of
unconsciousness in which there is an absence of voluntary or
cognitive behavior and an inability to interact purposefully with
one's environment." Terri is in no such condition. Videotapes show
Terri closely watching her family's movement, verbalizing in response
to questions, responding to simple commands and laughing when
listening to her favorite music. No fewer than 10 physicians are on
record with the court saying that Terri was aware and her condition
could improve with therapy. In fact, a Nobel nominee in medicine, Dr.
William Hammesfahr, has offered to treat her and provide her
rehabilitation without charge.  (Note:  See evidence of this below,
Melissa)

And then there are the issues surrounding her guardian and husband,
Michael Schiavo. He has repeatedly denied Terri the rehabilitative
therapy recommended by medical professionals treating her. He has
also repeatedly ordered that Terri not be treated for life-
threatening infections and blocked "swallowing tests" that would
determine whether Terri could be taught to eat without her feeding
tubes. Schiavo has also blocked tests that would determine if Terri
sustained bone damage around the time of her collapse, clarifying
lingering suspicions that her collapse may have been the result of
abuse at Schiavo's hand.

(See the Bone Scan which was done on Terri
http://www.terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg
53 weeks after her so called "mysterious collapse" when she was home
alone with Michael.  The bone scan states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY" at the
top portion of the fill-in-form and shows that Terri had numerous
broken bones and was a victim of TRAUMA.  It states "this patient has
a history of trauma."   It also states that "the presumption is that
the other multiple areas of abnormal activity also relate to previous
trauma."

Also see:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_bone_scan.html
with medical definitions from the Bone Scan

Also see the text of the Bone Scan (except the part which
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY", which they mistakenly forgot to
transcribe / point out) here:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm


See more evidence that Terri was beaten and strangled below.
Melissa)

In 1995 Schiavo moved in with girlfriend Jodi Centonze, and in 1997
the two announced their engagement. The couple, still cohabitating,
now have two children together. And yet Schiavo refuses to divorce
Terri.

And what of Terri's wishes? Schiavo and his brother claim that, in
casual conversation, they heard Terri say that she wouldn't want to
be "kept alive by machines." Her parents vigorously deny that she
ever made any such comments.

Even if Terri expressed such a wish, was it an offhand comment or
something she had reflected deeply upon? And was she really saying
that she'd want to starve to death? Those close to her believe that
she is now making every effort to communicate that she does not want
to die.  (Note:  Terri never made any such statement(s) that she
wished to die.  Michael never made any of these claims until very
recently, years and years after he testified in court that he would
take care of Terri the rest of her life and promised to get Terri all
of the therapy she needed (which the jury awarded Terri a substantial
amount of money specifically for Terri's therapy and medical care
only.  He denied Terri any therapy whatsoever thereafter.  After the
money was in the bank, Michael became hostile towards Terri's family
and gave orders to put "DO NOT RESUSCITATE" on Terri's medical
chart.  He soon after tried to withhold lifesaving antibiotics for a
urinary tract infection which, untreated, could have lead to sepsis
and would have likely killed Terri, only from lack of antibiotics to
treat the infection!  The nursing home intervened and gave Terri the
antibiotics, saving her life.  Terri's former nurse, Carla Iyer came
forward and swore on an affidavit that she believes Michael Schiavo
injected Terri with insulin on several occasions, and Terri would
have died had she not given her appropriate medical treatment.  On
the last occasion, Carla Iyer found a vial of insulin in Terri's room
after Michael had been alone with Terri, with the door to her room
closed and locked, as always.  Terri is not a diabetic.  Carla
reported this to the nursing home and turned in the vial of insulin
as evidence and was terminated from her job right away.  She has
since gotten death threats and her tires were slashed.  See affidavit
below.  Melissa)

Terri Schiavo is aware of her surroundings. She feels pain. And
starvation is not a painless way to die. It is, in fact, a
particularly torturous and cruel death.

This case is not about the right of a terminally ill person to refuse
useless life-prolonging treatment. It is about the right of an
adulterous, neglectful and possibly abusive husband to sentence his
wife to a slow, excruciating death.

If Michael Schiavo prevails, Terri will not be the only victim. The
world will become a far more dangerous place for all of those who are
disabled and unable to speak for themselves. Someday, that could be
you or me.

For more information, go to www.terrisfight.org

Bonacci is a frequent lecturer on chastity.

http://www.catholicherald.com/bonacci/03mb/mb031218.htm



Note from Melissa (saveterrislife):

It is ILLEGAL to withhold ORAL (by mouth) food and water EVEN IF if a
Judge orders that a feeding tube can be removed from a person.  Even
though it is illegal, Terri was not given food or water by mouth the
last TWO TIMES her feeding tube was removed.

Terri is not in a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS), though she and
others should never be killed no matter what their disability.  PVS
is misdiagnosed 43% of the time, according to a recent study!

Diagnosis of Persistent Vegetative State Questioned
as Former Patient Speaks Out


TAMPA BAY, November 12, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The case of
disabled Florida woman Terri Schiavo, who has been falsely labelled
as being in a "persistent vegetative state" (PVS) by most major media
outlets, has drawn attention to the controversial diagnosis which
suggests the medical state is permanent. Even those who contend that
PVS is a viable diagnosis suggest that patients are frequently
misdiagnosed as being in PVS.

According to a study published in the July 6, 1996 British Medical
Journal, 43% of patients diagnosed with PVS do not qualify for the
diagnosis.

Last week Kate Adamson appeared on the programme O'Reilly Factor to
relate she was diagnosed as being in a vegetative state and, like
Terri Schiavo, her feeding tube was removed, only to be reinserted
after eight days after her lawyer-husband threatened to sue the
hospital if they did not reinsert it. Adamson also refuted the
testimony of Terri's husband Michael Schiavo who suggested that PVS
patients do not feel the pain of starvation.

O'Reilly asked Adamson, "So you were feeling pain when they removed
your tube?" She responded, "Yes. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. To say
that -- especially when Michael [Schiavo] on national TV had
mentioned last week that it's a pretty painless thing to have the
feeding tube removed. It is the exact opposite. It was sheer torture,
Bill."

See the O'Reilly factor exchange in this article by Wesley J. Smith:

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/370oqiwy
.asp


A "Painless" Death?
Michael Schiavo insists that dehydration is "the most natural way to
die." It's more like torture.
by Wesley J. Smith
11/12/2003 12:00:00 AM



MANY WHO SUPPORT Terri Schiavo's threatened dehydration assert that
removing a feeding tube from a profoundly cognitively disabled person
results in a painless and gentle ending. But is this really true?
After all, it would be agonizing if you or I were locked in a room
for two weeks and deprived of all food and water. So, why should we
believe that cognitively disabled patients experience the deprivation
differently simply because they receive nourishment through a feeding
tube instead of by mouth?

An accurate discussion of this sensitive issue requires the making of
proper and nuanced distinctions about the consequences of removing
nourishment from incapacitated patients. This generally becomes an
issue in one of the following two diametrically differing
circumstances:

(1) Depriving food and water from profoundly cognitively disabled
persons like Terri who are not otherwise dying, a process that causes
death by dehydration over a period of 10-14 days. As I will
illustrate below, this may cause great suffering.

(2) Not forcing food and water upon patients who have stopped eating
and drinking as part of the natural dying process. This typically
occurs, for example, at the end stages of cancer when patients often
refuse nourishment because the disease has distorted their senses of
hunger and thirst. In these situations, being deprived of unwanted
food and water when the body is already shutting down does not cause
a painful death.

Advocates who argue that it is appropriate to dehydrate cognitively
disabled people often sow confusion about the suffering such patients
may experience by inadvertently, or perhaps intentionally, blurring
the difference between these two distinct situations. For example,
when Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, and his attorney, George
Felos, appeared on the October 27, 2003 edition of "Larry King Live"
the following exchange occurred:


KING: When a feeding tube is removed, as it was planned [for Terri],
is that a terrible death?
SCHIAVO: No. It's painless and probably the most natural way to die.

FELOS: When someone's terminally ill, let's say a cancer patient,
they lose interest in eating. And literally, they--by choice--they
stop eating.

SCHIAVO: Cancer patients, they stop eating for two to three weeks. Do
we force them to eat? No, we don't. That's their choice.

Later in the interview, Schiavo reiterated the assertion in a
response to a telephoned question:


CALLER: Does it bother you that the death is so slow?
SCHIAVO: Removing somebody's feeding tube is very painless. It is a
very easy way to die. Probably the second best way to die, the first
being an aneurysm.

Yes, it is true that when people are actively dying from terminal
disease, they often refuse food and water. The disease makes the food
and water repulsive to them. In such circumstances, it is medically
inappropriate to force food and water into a person who is actively
rejecting it. Indeed, doing so could cause suffering.

But this isn't what is happening to Terri. She isn't dying of cancer.
Her body isn't shutting down as part of the natural dying process.
Indeed, she is not dying at all--unless her food and water is taken
away.


WHAT HAPPENS to non-terminally ill people with cognitive disabilities
whose feeding tubes are removed? Do they suffer from the process?

When I conducted research on this question in preparation for writing
my book "Forced Exit," I asked St. Louis neurologist William Burke
these very questions. Here is what he told me:


A conscious [cognitively disabled] person would feel it just as you
or I would. They will go into seizures. Their skin cracks, their
tongue cracks, their lips crack. They may have nosebleeds because of
the drying of the mucus membranes, and heaving and vomiting might
ensue because of the drying out of the stomach lining. They feel the
pangs of hunger and thirst. Imagine going one day without a glass of
water! Death by dehydration takes ten to fourteen days. It is an
extremely agonizing death.
Dr. Burke opposes removing feeding tubes from cognitively disabled
people and so some might dismiss his opinion as biased. But Minnesota
neurologist Ronald Cranford's pro-dehydration testimony in the Robert
Wendland case--Cranford also testified that Terri's feeding tube
should be removed--supports much of what Dr. Burke asserted. While
Cranford called seizures "rare," his detailed description of the
dehydration process reveals its gruesome reality:


After seven to nine days [from commencing dehydration] they begin to
lose all fluids in the body, a lot of fluids in the body. And their
blood pressure starts to go down. When their blood pressure goes
down, their heart rate goes up. . . . Their respiration may increase
and then . . . the blood is shunted to the central part of the body
from the periphery of the body. So, that usually two to three days
prior to death, sometimes four days, the hands and the feet become
extremely cold. They become mottled. That is you look at the hands
and they have a bluish appearance. And the mouth dries a great deal,
and the eyes dry a great deal and other parts of the body become
mottled. And that is because the blood is now so low in the system
it's shunted to the heart and other visceral organs and away from the
periphery of the body . . .

MOST OF THE TIME, we never know for sure what a starved or dehydrated
person experiences. But in at least one case--that of a young woman
who had her tube feeding stopped for eight days and lived to tell the
tale--we have direct evidence of the agony that forced dehydration
may cause.

At age 33, Kate Adamson collapsed from a devastating and
incapacitating stroke. She was utterly unresponsive and was diagnosed
as being in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Because of a bowel
obstruction she developed, her nourishment was stopped so that
doctors could perform surgery.

Adamson eventually recovered sufficiently to author "Kate's Journey:
Triumph Over Adversity," in which she tells the terrifying tale.
Rather than being unconscious with no chance of recovery as her
doctors believed, she was actually awake and aware but unable to move
any part of her body voluntarily. (This is known as a "locked-in
state.") When she appeared recently on "The O'Reilly Factor," host
Bill O'Reilly asked Adamson about the dehydration experience:


O'REILLY: When they took the feeding tube out, what went through your
mind?
ADAMSON: When the feeding tube was turned off for eight days, I
thought I was going insane. I was screaming out in my mind, "Don't
you know I need to eat?" And even up until that point, I had been
having a bagful of Ensure as my nourishment that was going through
the feeding tube. At that point, it sounded pretty good. I just
wanted something. The fact that I had nothing, the hunger pains
overrode every thought I had.

O'REILLY: So you were feeling pain when they removed your tube?

ADAMSON: Yes. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. To say that--especially
when Michael [Schiavo] on national TV mentioned last week that it's a
pretty painless thing to have the feeding tube removed--it is the
exact opposite. It was sheer torture, Bill.

O'REILLY: It's just amazing.

ADAMSON: Sheer torture . . .

In preparation for this article, I contacted Adamson for more details
about the torture she experienced while being dehydrated. She told me
about having been operated upon (to remove the bowel obstruction)
with inadequate anesthesia when doctors believed she was unconscious:


The agony of going without food was a constant pain that lasted not
several hours like my operation did, but several days. You have to
endure the physical pain and on top of that you have to endure the
emotional pain. Your whole body cries out, "Feed me. I am alive and a
person, don't let me die, for God's Sake! Somebody feed me."
Unbelievably, she described being deprived of food and water as "far
worse" than experiencing the pain of abdominal surgery. Despite
having been on an on an IV saline solution, Adamson still had
horrible thirst:


I craved anything to drink. Anything. I obsessively visualized
drinking from a huge bottle of orange Gatorade. And I hate orange
Gatorade. I did receive lemon flavored mouth swabs to alleviate
dryness but they did nothing to slack my desperate thirst.
Apologists for dehydrating patients like Terri might respond that
Terri is not conscious and locked-in as Adamson was but in a
persistent vegetative state and thus would feel nothing. Yet, the PVS
diagnosis is often mistaken--as indeed it was in Adamson's case. And
while the courts have all ruled that Terri is unconscious based on
medical testimony, this is strongly disputed by other medical experts
and Terri's family who insist that she is interactive with them.
Moreover, it is undisputed that whatever her actual level of
awareness, Terri does react to painful stimuli. Intriguingly, her
doctor testified he prescribes pain medication for her every month
during the course of her menstrual period.


BEYOND THE TERRI SCHIAVO CASE, it is undisputed that conscious
cognitively disabled patients are dehydrated in nursing homes and
hospitals throughout the country almost as a matter of routine. Dr.
Cranford, for example, openly admitted in his Wendland testimony that
he removes feeding tubes from conscious patients. Thus, many other
people may also have experienced the agony described by Adamson and
worse, given that dehydrating to death goes on for about a week
longer than she experienced.


AT THIS POINT, defenders of removing feeding tubes from people with
profound cognitive disabilities might claim that whatever painful
sensations dehydration may cause, these patients receive palliating
drugs to ensure that their deaths are peaceful. But note: Adamson
either did not receive such medications, or if she did, they didn't
work. Moreover, because these disabled people usually can't
communicate, it is impossible to know precisely what they experience.
Thus, when asked in a deposition what he would do to prevent Robert
Wendland from suffering during his dehydration, Dr. Cranford
responded that he would give morphine but that the dose would
be "arbitrary" because "you don't know how much he's suffering, you
don't know how much aware he is . . . You're guessing at the dose."
At trial, Cranford suggested he might have to put Wendland into a
coma, a bitter irony considering that he had struggled over many
months to regain consciousness.

The time has come to face the gut wrenching possibility that
conscious cognitively disabled people whose feeding tubes are removed-
-as opposed to patients who are actively dying and choose to stop
eating--may die agonizing deaths. This, of course, has tremendous
relevance in the Terri Schiavo case and many others like it. Indeed,
the last thing anyone wants is for people to die slowly and
agonizingly of thirst, desperately craving a refreshing drink of
orange Gatorade they know will never come.


Wesley J. Smith is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and an
attorney and consultant for the International Task Force on
Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide. His current book is the revised and
updated "Forced Exit: The Slippery Slope From Assisted Suicide to
Legalized Murder."


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Correction appended 11/13/03: The article originally stated that Kate
Adamson had been deprived of nourishment in an attempt to end her
life. In fact, the dehydration was being done in attempt to alleviate
a bowel obstruction. The painful surgery Adamson refers to was
originally referred to as surgery to insert a feeding tube. It was
actually surgery to remove the bowel obstruction, which is a more
involved procedure.


PVS:  WITHDRAWING FOODS AND FLUIDS
http://www.donoharm.org.uk/leaflets/pvs.htm

(The text of the website linked above appears directly below -
Melissa)


What You Need to Know
THE MEDICAL EDUCATION TRUST

What is P.V.S.?
This name, Persistent Vegetative State, is given to a syndrome (a
variety of signs) which affects some people who have survived very
severe brain damage. After a few weeks the eyes will open and close,
but adequate feeding can take 3 - 3 1/2 hours. Feeding by gastrostomy
tube inserted through the abdominal wall into the stomach is now used
to ensure adequate nutrition and facilitate nursing.

Many people will be surprised to learn that this method was first
described almost a hundred years ago in Transactions of the Kentucky
Medical Society (1896) pp.123-143, in which Dr. M. F Coomes reported
one case; also Dr. Lewis McMurtry reported a case of a blockage in
the oesophagus and noted "the ease of G-tube feeding." The food comes
pre-packed and is not expensive. One young man who is nursed at home
has his tube changed once a year without any difficulty at his local
hospital? The gastrostomy tube has replaced the naso-gastric tube
which causes difficulty in swallowing one's saliva.

These people are not on a life support machine, but they are totally
dependent on others for nursing care, as are people with severe
degrees of such conditions as multiple sclerosis and motor neurone
disease.

Diagnosis Keith Andrews, Director of Medical and Research Services at
the Royal Hospital for Neuro-Disability has shown that accurate
diagnosis requires the skills of a multidisciplinary team.

Out of a group of forty patients referred to the hospital as "PVS',
17 (43%) were found to have been misdiagnosed: they were aware,
though they had not been enabled to communicate. `Seven of these had
been presumed to be vegetative for longer than one year, including
three for over four years.' Eyetracking may be a sign of awareness;
but some patients may be blind. Advances have been made by Professor
Schonle in Germany in tracing electrical impulses in the brain, which
may indicate whether or not speech is properly understood by the
patient.

Can anything be done to improve these patients?
YES. For example, on admission to the Neuro-Disability Unit, PVS
patients are seated during the day, ensuring better muscle tone and
head control. Improving nutritional state by means of a gastrotomy
tube and ensuring the patient's comfort often leads to evidence of
awareness. A stimulation programme designed to facilitate the
patient's ability to respond has led to cognition of letters of the
alphabet and responses to questions using electronic equipment.

"Vegetative" a poor description
The word `vegetative' is unfortunate. It implies a lack of humanity.
The patients have been referred to as `cases where scarce medical
resources are wasted on human vegetables', `a living corpse'. But
someone with PVS is still a person - `the living body of a human
being', according to the Oxford Dictionary. He or she does not have
roots, like a vegetable, or need the sun in order to grow. The person
is alive, with heart and lungs functioning without artificial
mechanical support. He or she needs food just like everybody else.

There is continued pressure to end the lives of people, if correctly
diagnosed as PVS, by withdrawing food and fluids. The person seems to
have `gone'; yet he or she is alive, like the Sleeping Beauty in the
legend, who slept for 100 years. She, like these patients, retained
her dignity, and did not feel the burden of passing time.

What is the ethical position regarding withdrawing the feeding tube
with the intention of causing death?
A doctor should never deliberately kill a patient by any action or
omission, either with or without the patient's or relatives' consent.
This ethic has been accepted for 2,400 years and has proved to be the
foundation for western medicine.

At present such action must be sanctioned in each case by a court. It
remains unethical. Medicine serves life; to do otherwise destroys the
very nature of the profession.

What about the ten `PVS' patients who were caused to die from lack of
fluids, by order of the Court?
Some PVS patients may experience the agony of thirst if deprived of
fluid. Post-mortem evidence in one case in the U.S. showed that the
thirst centre in the brain - the hypothalamus - had not been
damaged.  In the Bland judgement in 1993, the Law Lords gave
permission for it, stating that tube feeding was `medical treatment';
it was futile, therefore the doctor could withdraw it without
committing a crime. The medical ethic has always deplored futile
treatment; but food and fluids were not treating any disease. The
Royal College of Nursing also in their evidence to the House of Lords
Select Committee on Euthanasia stated that providing nourishment was
part of nursing care.

Medical statements on causing death
In 1988 the BMA Council stated:

`. . . the deliberate taking of a human life should remain a
crime . . . this rejection of a change in the law is not just a
subordination of individual well-being to social policy. It is,
instead, an affirmation of the supreme value of the individual, no
matter how worthless and hopeless that individual may feel.'

The World Medical Association has stated that:

`The Hippocratic tradition was reformulated in the Declaration of
Geneva 1948'. This declaration states: `I will have the utmost
respect for human life . . . The health of my patient will be my
first consideration.'

Other notable statements which support the traditional ethic are:

Dr Fred Rosner

`Every human being is morally expected to help another human in
distress . . . Fluids and nutrition are part and parcel of supportive
care. Food and fluids given to a handicapped person or dying patient
does not become medical therapy because another person is needed to
provide it. There is no time when general supportive measures can be
abandoned, thereby hastening the patient's demise.'

Dr M. Siegler and Dr A. J. Weisbard

'Compassionate calls to withdraw fluids in a few selected cases bear
the seeds of great potential abuse.'

Siegler and Weisbard further argue that continuing care ensures:

  that patients will be protected against diagnostic error, inadequate
treatment and unscrupulous care for financial and other reasons.
  physicians will not be forced to make ad hoc value-laden quality of
life decisions.
  `The professions will benefit by avoiding any appearance that they
are balancing quality of life or cost consciousness against
compassionate standards of medical care.'

What is the difference between denial of food and fluids and the
denial of medical and surgical therapy?
Derr points out:

Fluid and nutrition are universal human needs whereas medical and
surgical therapy are not.

He also states:

  The physician-patient relationship may be severely harmed
  To permit physicians to deny food and fluid to patients who are
capable of receiving and utilising them directly attacks the very
foundation of medicine as a profession
  The denial of food and fluid administered by `artificial' means is
no different from such denial when food can be administered in a
`normal' manner.

A Medical Procedure?
In Britain, each Health Authority is only likely to have one or two
people at any one time in PVS. Their care does not impose a
significant burden on the NHS. It would not seem worth while to
change the law against homicide and depart from medical ethics
observed for more than two thousand years just in order to eliminate
these patients. But once denial of food and fluids has become an
accepted medical procedure, it can be applied to others. It has
already been proposed for people with disease such as Alzheimer's, if
they have signed an `Advance Directive' to allow it.

Commenting on this, a consultant at Worcester Royal Infirmary has
said:

`Those of us who have seen death by starvation and dehydration think
people should be warned that it is a particularly harrowing process
that cannot be adequately relieved by drugs.'

In 1984, a supporter of euthanasia said at a convention:

`If we can get people to accept the removal of all treatment and
care  - especially the removal of food and fluids - they will see
what a painful way this is to die and then, in the patient's best
interest, they will accept the lethal injection.'

We are involved
PVS patients represent a challenge. Campaigners for euthanasia are
asking us to disown some of our fellow human beings, call them
`vegetables' and condemn them to death. The alternative is to
recognise, like John Donne, that:

`No man is an island, entire of itself . . . Any Man's death
diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind.'

REFERENCES
1 Jennet B., Plum F., Persistent Vegetative state after brain damage:
A syndrome in search of a name. Lancet 1972: 734-737
2 Andrews, Keith, The Guardian. Letters 7th April 1990
3 Tudor, M., Persistent Vegetative State: Journal of the Catholic
Medical Quarterly, September 1991
4 With acknowledgements to Mrs. Rita Marker, Director, IAETF
5 Private communication with the parents - Dr. Peggy Norris
6 British Medical Journal, 6 July 1996
7 Sunday Telegraph, 17 November 1966
8 L. Murphy, Chartered Psychologist: Bulletin of Psychological
Society 1995: Vol. 8, p.445-447
9 Smoker, Barbara, `Remember the Non-Terminally Ill and the
Disabled', Voluntary Euthanasia Society Newsletter, September 1991
10 P. McCullagh, MD, DPhil, MRCP, Senior Fellow, the John Curtin
School of Medical Research, The Australian National University.
C.M.Q., Feb. 1996.
11 M. Jarmulowicz, BSc, MB, MRCPath: Neuropathological findings in
cases of Persistent Vegetative State, C.M.Q., Feb. 1995.
12 H.L. Paper 21-II, 1993-4
13 Council of the BMA, British Medical Journal, Vol. 296 p.1408 14
May 1988
14 World Medical Association
15 Rosner, Fred, MD `Withdrawing Fluids and Nutrition: An Alternative
Way'. The Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine Vol. 654 No.
5, June 1988
16 Siegler, M., Weisbard, AJ., `Against the Emerging Stream: Should
Fluids and Nutritional Support be Discontinued?' Arch. Intern. Med.
145; 129-31
17 Derr, P.G., Why Food and Fluids can never be denied. Hastings
Center Report , 16: 28-30, February 1986
18 Cole, Anthony, Sunday Mercury, 1st December 1991
19 Kuhse, Helga, at the Fifth Biennial Congress of Societies for the
Right to Die, held in Nice in September 1984. (Reported in The
Linacre Quarterly, August 1989).

http://www.donoharm.org.uk/leaflets/pvs.htm



EVIDENCE PROVING TERRI SCHIAVO
IS *NOT* IN A PERSISTENT VEGETATIVE STATE (PVS):

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Hammesfahrexam.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Affidavit%20Jacob%20Green.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/alexGimonAffidavit082503.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/DrNeubauerAffidavit.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/DrRussellaffidavit.htm

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Affidavit%20Fred%20Webber.htm


AFFIDAVITS FROM TERRI'S FORMER NURSES AND CAREGIVERS
RE:  EVIDENCE ABOUT TERRI
AND
EVIDENCE ABOUT MICHAEL SCHIAVO, HER "HUSBAND" WHO WANTS HER DEAD
AND HAS PERMISSION FROM THE COURT TO CREMATE HER BODY IMMEDIATELY
UPON DEATH (HE ALSO HAS PERMISSION TO USE FUNDS A JURY DESIGNATED BE
USED TO PAY FOR TERRI'S REHABILITATIVE THERAPY - WHICH HE TOTALLY
DENIED TERRI - AND MEDICAL EXPENSES TO ILLEGALLY PAY FOR THE
CREMATION!):


CARLA IYER AFFIDAVIT, INCLUDES STATEMENTS RE: INSULIN VIAL FOUND BY
IYER IN TERRI'S ROOM AND THAT SHE BELIEVES INJECTIONS OF INSULIN
GIVEN TO TERRI BY MICHAEL IN ORDER TO KILL HER ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/CIyerAffidavit090203.htm

MORE OF TERRI'S CAREGIVERS AFFIDAVIT'S:

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/hlawaffidavit.htm

(PDF DOCUMENT)
htto://zimp.org/documents/AffidavitTCapone050901.pdf

(PDF DOCUMENT)
http://zimp.org/documents/cjohnsonaff.pdf

see
http://terrisfight.org/documents.html
See "IMPORTANT ITEMS" ON LEFT SIDE OF PAGE IN BROWN COLUMN

(See the Bone Scan which was done on Terri
http://www.terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg
53 weeks after her so called "mysterious collapse" when she was home
alone with Michael.  The bone scan states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY" at the
top portion of the fill-in-form and shows that Terri had numerous
broken bones and was a victim of TRAUMA.  It states "this patient has
a history of trauma."   It also states that "the presumption is that
the other multiple areas of abnormal activity also relate to previous
trauma."

Also see:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_bone_scan.html
with medical definitions from the Bone Scan

Also see the text of the Bone Scan (except the part which
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY", which they mistakenly forgot to
transcribe / point out) here:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm

The four paragraphs directly below this is taken from the Media Kit
posted at Terri's website. Below that is a true transcript (also
posted on www.terrisfight.org, in the download section titled "Bone
Scan").  We've transcribed it here for easier reading, since the
original was very faint with broken and blurred letters.

You will read a transcript of the doctor describing what he found on
Terri's bone scan. We had help with definitions and will bracket
those terms for further understanding of what you're reading.

Allegedly -- according to Michael Schiavo -- Terri's brain damage was
due to a heart attack. Read this and then decide which you believe. --
  Jackie --  October 16th, 2003

P.S.  If you haven't made your calls for Terri, PLEASE DO.

__________________________________________________

Terri was NEVER diagnosed as a heart attack victim when she was
admitted to the Northside Humana emergency room in February 1990. To
this day, her family does not know the true cause of her collapse.
Doctors immediately excluded heart attack as her blood enzymes were
not elevated -- typical in all heart attack victims. Terri's
toxicology screen also eliminated any suspicion of drugs.
At the time of Terri's admittance, blood tests revealed a depletion
of electrolytes and her attending physician HYPOTHESIZED that low
blood potassium MAY have caused her collapse. It was with this
information that Michael Schiavo entered into a lawsuit against
Terri's General Practitioner and Gynecologist, claiming negligence on
their part.
In preparation for Terri's October 2002 trial, her ER records were
reviewed and it was plainly noted in the "Admitting Summary" that
Terri had a "rigid neck" when she was admitted to the hospital. These
injuries were never disclosed to Terri's family, nor -- to their
knowledge -- were they ever investigated. The doctor reviewing these
records testified that the only other patient he treated with similar
injuries was the victim of an attempted strangulation.
The prospect that foul play may have led to Terri's collapse and
ensuing heart stoppage was enhanced when a bone scan was recently
found. This scan, taken 53 weeks after Terri's collapse revealed that
Terri had fractured ribs, damage to her pelvic area, LI vertebrae,
spine, both knees and both ankles. It also revealed that Terri had
suffered a broken femur and a broken back. Three doctors concluded
that Terri had endured trauma of some sort. The radiologist
responsible for the scan plainly stated: "This patient has a history
of trauma".
[excerpt from the media kit]


___________________________________________________________________

831223741016
                      03-05-91

Theresa Schiavo

Nuclear Imaging

BONE SCAN

3-5-91

Indication: Evaluate for trauma

Procedure and findings. Multiple gama camera images of the axial
[trunk] and proximal appendicular [limbs] skeleton in the anterior
[front] and posterior [back] projections were obtained following 2.1
millicuries of technetium 99m HDP.

There are an extensive number of focal abnormal areas of nuclide
accumulation of intense type. These include multiple bilateral ribs,
the costovertebral [where ribs and vertebra come together] aspects of
several of the thoracic [upper] vertebral bodies, the L1 [lower]
vertebral body, both sacroliac joints, the distal right femoral
diaphysis, both knees and both ankles, the right greater than the
left.

Correlative radiographs are obtained of the lumbar spine and of the
right femur [leg bone] which reveal compression fracture; minor,
superior and plate of L1, and shaggy, irregular periosteal
ossification along the distal femoral diaphysis, and metaphysis
primarily ventrally. [calcification showing where bones were broken
and have healed].

The patient has a history of trauma. Most likely the femoral
periosteal reaction reflects a response to a subperiosteal hemorrhage
and the activity in L1 correlates perfectly with the compression
fracture which is presumably traumatic.

The presumptions is that the other multiple areas of abnormal
activity also relate to previous trauma. Additional possibilities
would be neoplastic bone disease, widespread disseminated infectious
bone disease or multiple bone infarcts from abnormal hemoglobin.

CONCLUSION: Multiple areas of abnormal scintigraphic [actinographic?]
accumulation, some of which are radiograph for differential as
discussed above.

W. Campbell Walker M.D./mjt

Dictated 3-5-91

Transcribed ?-5-91

Lee Memorial Hospital

____________________________________________________

NOTE: The person who helped with the spelling and definitions said
simply, what the doctor described would most likely be the results of
someone who had been kicked, and kicked and kicked.

The ER report said her "neck was rigid". From the videos we've seen
on Terri's website, it appears that the 'rigid neck' continues. As
she was following the movement of a balloon, she tracked it to the
right by turning her head; as it was moved to her left side you'll
notice she tracks it only with her eyes. When the Priest would come
in to pray with her -- even though she tried -- she wasn't able to
bow her head "because of her stiff neck". Remember "the doctor
reviewing these records testified that the only other patient he
treated with similar injuries was the victim of an attempted
strangulation."

If a person is strangulated it follows there would be a loss of
oxygen to the brain -- causing brain damage -- as the blood supply
was blocked. - Jackie


http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm


EVIDENCE OF STRANGULATION AND TRAUMA DONE TO TERRI:

see next post!

Make sure Jeb Bush knows we know he can stop this attempted murder of
an innocent, disabled woman!

Look on this website for statues (state laws) being broken and which
have been broken in this case.  Quote these to Governor Bush's office
and in e-mails, faxes, phone calls to officials and media!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/1

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/7

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/17

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/18

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/19


Florida Governor Jeb Bush
phone: 850-488-7146
email: jeb.bush@... or jeb@...
fax: 850-487-0801 or 850-922-4292
Press Secretary - phone: 850-488-5394
Assistant Donovan Brown - phone: 850-410-0501


PHOTOS/INFO RE: LISA MCPHERSON OF CLEARWATER, FL, WHO DIED OF
DEHYDRATION (CLEARWATER FLORIDA IS THE SAME EXACT CITY TERRI LIVES IN
AT THIS VERY MOMENT!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/29


Note from saveterrislife (Melissa Roxanne Stanley):
Terri never had a heart attack or cardiac arrest.

See proof of this at http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Look for "must see articles" including
"Terri Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest Lies"

See more proof in this interview of Dr. Hammesfahr, Neurologist who
examined Terri.  He states that Terri did not have a heart attack.

HAMMESFAHR: I saw her last about a year ago and as part of the court
ordered evaluations.

HANNITY: Yes, but you basically said that she could be rehabilitated,
that she showed...

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely. She is not in a coma. She did not have a
heart attack. She is not in a coma presently. She absolutely can be
rehabilitated. There's no question about that.

HAMMESFAHR: But the medical record clearly shows that there has never
been a heart attack. Potassium causes damage by causing heart
attacks, so we know the potassium is not an issue.


Foul Play In Terri Schiavo Case?

(transcript from FoxNews' Hannity & Colmes TV show, October 27, 2003)

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: A 1990 heart attack left Terri Schiavo
(search) with severe brain damage. Since then a legal battle has
raged over whether or not to keep her alive. On October 15 her
feeding tube was removed, according to her husband's wishes.

Last week, after intervention by the Florida legislature, Governor
Jeb Bush (search) ordered that her feeding tube be reinserted. Now
time is running out for Terri's husband to challenge the
constitutionality of the law that's been dubbed by many as Terri's
Law.

So what will happen next in this tragic case? Joining us now is
Terri's father, Robert Schindler. And also joining us, a neurosurgeon
who has examined Terri, Dr. William Hammesfahr.

All right. Thank you both for being with us.

How is she doing first of all, Mr. Schindler, after the tube now has
been reinserted?

ROBERT SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S FATHER: She's really made a
remarkable combat. She's very, very tired naturally, being without
food for seven days and hydration. But today, she was probably a
little more responsive than yesterday, and she was very agitated
today. She didn't want to bother with anybody or anything.

HANNITY: Yes. Doctor, you've examined her, and you've come to the
conclusion, No. 1, that can she can be rehabilitated. And when is the
last time you evaluated her and what else did you find?

DR. WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, NEUROLOGIST: I saw her last about a year ago
for the court. I want to just jump in here for a second. I'm a
neurologist and not a neurosurgeon.

HANNITY: I'm sorry.

HAMMESFAHR: I saw her last about a year ago and as part of the court
ordered evaluations.

HANNITY: Yes, but you basically said that she could be rehabilitated,
that she showed...

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely. She is not in a coma. She did not have a
heart attack. She is not in a coma presently. She absolutely can be
rehabilitated. There's no question about that.

HANNITY: You know, Mr. ...

HAMMESFAHR: In fact, she follows commands right now. She follows
commands right now.

HANNITY: Well, I can see that.

HAMMESFAHR: She's not in a coma.

HANNITY: I'm not a doctor, but when I see this video it's heart-
wrenching to me and the fact that this poor women went six days
without a feeding tube is frightening to me.

The last time we had you on, Mr. Schindler, you were very harsh in
your comments about the husband. And you believe his fear is, is that
if your daughter wakes up, she will have to -- a tale to tell about
him. Can you...

SCHINDLER: That comes from the evidence that there's medical evidence
that she had a neck injury. And as the doctor said, she had no heart
attack. And her ribs and parts of her body suffered fractures.

HANNITY: Yes.

SCHINDLER: And there's really no explanation for what her collapse
was. Not at all.

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Doctor Hammesfahr, I read the medical report.
There was a report that when she came into the E.R., she had a rigid
neck. Is that consistent with a neck injury?

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely, yes, it is. They also did X-rays at the
emergency room and the X-rays showed straightening of the normal
spinal curvature, which is very typical of a new neck injury.

COLMES: We heard a lot about low potassium, but this neck injury
stuff is very interesting. Would that kind of a situation be
consistent with the possibility of foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I'd like to go back to the potassium for a second,
because he talked about the potassium and about the diet pills issue
or some other drugs.

COLMES: Sure. Sure.

HAMMESFAHR: But the medical record clearly shows that there has never
been a heart attack. Potassium causes damage by causing heart
attacks, so we know the potassium is not an issue.

COLMES: But with the rigid neck, is that consistent with what could
be foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I have seen a neck that rigid from trauma to the neck.

COLMES: All right. So you wouldn't venture to say foul play but --
are you intimating that?

HAMMESFAHR: I think that that type of a neck that shows a degree of
injury, and I think that it needs to be looked at much more closely
to find out the exact cause.

Right now we have a woman who had a collapse with no known cause. No
evidence of infection, heart attack, respiratory failure or anything.
The only thing found in the emergency room is a damaged neck.

COLMES: Mr. Schindler, are you going to try to prove foul play at
some point and try to press some kind of a case here against your son-
in- law?

SCHINDLER: Well, what we're trying to do, there are two issues. One
is to get Terri therapy, because we believe she can recover.

And the second thing is we want to have an investigation. We're
asking the local police, the attorney, and no one will touch it.
There's a cap on it. Someone's blocking everything.

HANNITY: Mr. Schindler, we're going to continue to follow this story.
I'm very, very grateful to the Florida legislature and Jeb Bush. I
think they did the right thing, and we'll monitor this and have you
back on again.

SCHINDLER: So were we. Thank you very much.

HANNITY: Doctor, good to see you. Appreciate you being with us.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132744,00.html


Look at my other posts re:  the attorneys who told Governor Bush he
could stop the attempted murder of Terri Schiavo on October 15th and
October 16th, 2003.  Please copy and paste these letters into an e-
mail or quote from them when you call or fax!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/12
ATTORNEYS LETTERS TO GOVERNOR BUSH AT LINK ABOVE!



It is ILLEGAL to withhold ORAL (BY MOUTH) food and water from a
person even IF a Judge rules that their feeding tube can be removed!
This is a FELONY AND ATTEMPTED MURDER OR MURDER IF THE PERSON DIES!

Please make the calls and send the e-mails and urge everyone you know
to do so, too.  The few minutes it takes could result in Terri's life
being saved!

They have already removed her feeding tube twice, now and refused to
allow her to have food and water by mouth BOTH times!  The President,
Governor, Judges, politicians and other officials all
know this is ILLEGAL and is attempted murder!  Michael Schiavo
Terri's husband knows this is illegal as well.  So do his attorneys
and the hospice owners, managers, Doctors, Nurses, and Terri's
caregivers.  The police know it as well!  If anyone you contact
denies it is illegal, assure them you know it is true.  If Terri's
feeding tube is removed again for the third time, whoever is involved
in letting this happen or making it happen or surrounding Terri with
armed guards to prevent her from being given food and water by mouth,
HAS BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS AND IS GUILTY OF EITHER ATTEMPTED MURDER OR
ACCOMPLICE TO ATTEMPTED MURDER!

Michael Schiavo wants to murder Terri so that she will never be able
to tell the world what he did to her on February 25, 1990 and what he
continues to do to her.  He denies her therapy for the very same
reason.  It is against the law to deny a disabled person therapy and
to deny them an attorney!  Michael also spent all of the money Terri
was awarded in a phony malpractice suit (Michael claimed Terri
collapsed because she had a potassium imbalance due to bulimia and
that her doctors should have done a blood test to determine she had a
potassium imbalance).  This is a flat out LIE!

Very Good Reasons To Remove Michael Schiavo
and Open a Criminal Investigation

Petition to Governor Jeb Bush to Remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
Guardian And Open a Full Criminal Investigation.

Dear Governor Bush:
Thank you for implementing Terri's Law and your ongoing support for
her right to life. In light of the evidence in this case, we believe
your actions were both heroic and necessary. In light of the evidence
of criminal action by her husband, we respectfully request that you
immediately commence proceedings to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
legal guardian and open a criminal investigation based on the
following:

1) Bone scans and medical records from 1990 indicate severe trauma,
numerous broken bones; no criminal investigation has ever been
conducted. A review of these records by top US Forensic Pathologist
Michael Baden concluded that a criminal investigation should be
conducted.

2) Michael Schiavo defrauded the courts by promising to care for
Terri for the rest of his life and then used the jury awarded $700
thousand specifically designated for Terri's rehabilitation for his
own personal gain and to end Terri's life. This also violates Fl
Statute. 825.103 "Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled
adult" which prohibits the misuse of a disabled person's funds by the
guardian.

3) Further, Section (2)(a) states that If the funds, assets, or
property involved in the exploitation of the elderly person or
disabled adult is valued at $100,000 or more, the offender commits a
felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s.
775.083, or s. 775.084.

4)The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101
provides that necessary and appropriate rehabilitation services and
physical/motor skill therapy may not be denied a substantially
disabled patient in the United States of America.

5) Cf 28 CFR, Ch 1, Subpart B, Sect 35.130 States "Nothing in the Act
or this part authorizes the representative or guardian of an
individual with a disability to decline food, water, medical
treatment, or medical services for that individual."

6)Failure to Discharge His Duties under FS § 744.474 (2) requires
that the guardian protect the rights of the ward, provide for her
health and safety, properly manage her financial resources and help
her regain her abilities to the maximum extent possible.

7)The initial move to Hospice was done in violation of the annual
plan and without court permission in violation of FS §
744.3215(4)].

Terri has the right to receive visitors and communicate with others.
FS § 744.3215

9) Terri has the right to receive "palliative care" which is the
comprehensive management of the physical, psychological, social,
spiritual, and existential needs of the patient. FS. § 765.102.

10) In 1990, Michael took Terri to San Francisco for experimental
medical treatment, without the necessary prior approval of the Court.
FS. § 744.3215(4).

11) The guardian is required by law to prepare and present an annual
plan. FS § 744.3675.Repeatedly, the annual plans have been filed
late
or not at all

12) In his annual reports, Schiavo has failed to prepare and present
any plan for the provision of medical, mental health, and
rehabilitative services in the coming year as required by FS
§744.3675 (1)(b)(3)

13) The Adult Protective Services Act (Chapter 415 of the Florida
Statutes) affords protection to disabled persons from abuse, neglect
and exploitation

14) Fla. Stat. § 415. 102(1)(2002). Schiavo's isolation of
Terri and
refusal to provide adequate physician attention, rehabilitative
services, dental care and other medical services constitutes abuse
under the Adult Protective Services Act as well as the guardianship
statutes.

15) Schiavo's decision to hold Terri at Hospice after it was
clear
that she was not "terminal" within Medicare guidelines was an
improper use of the ward's assets. In order to receive federal
payment for hospice care, the facility must obtain a certification
from the attending physician within two calendar days of initial
admission that the patient's "prognosis is for a life expectancy
of 6
months or less if the terminal illness runs its normal course." 42
C.F.R. § 418.22 (2001) Terri has been in Hospice 3 years.

Governor Bush, the Florida courts, DCF and Adult Protective Services
have failed to do their job of protecting Terri's rights. Please
exercise your executive power to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
legal guardian at once, appointing her as a ward of the State under
your care and demand a full investigation through every possible
legal authority, including Federal Investigative Assistance if
necessary. Thank you.
[Lisa's note: Mr. and Mrs. Schindler wish to have Bobby Schindler,
Jr. appointed as Terri's permanent guardian in place of Michael
Schiavo.]


written by Gordon Watts

http://libertytothecaptives.net/michael_schiavo_remove_criminal_invest
igation.html



The extensive evidence including the bone scan done on Terri one year
after her so called "collapse" shows that Terri was a victim of
TRAUMA!

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_bone_scan.html

Also see the written transcript of bone scan at Jackie Patru's
website:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm

although they forgot to write that the top portion also said "CLOSED
HEAD INJURY" on the fill-in-form portion at top of Bonescan (lower
left corner of form portion) above the Doctors notes.


The bonescan also shows that Terri had been a victim of trauma before
February 25, 1990!  Michael was the only person with Terri when
oxygen was cut off to her brain for anywhere from at least 5-8
minutes, maybe more, which caused brain damage.  Evidence points to
Michael strangling Terri and cutting off her oxygen supply in this
manner!  The evidence also shows that he beat her giving her numerous
broken bones (see the bonescan)!  Michael SEALED all of Terri's
medical records so the Schindlers did not know about the bone scan
until recently!  Meanwhile, the Judges and Police did NOTHING
regarding all of this evidence!  The Schindlers tried everything
including begging them to investigate all of this based on the bone
scan and other evidence!

Was Terri Schiavo Beaten in 1990?
Will There Be an Investigation in Time?
November 14th, 2003 5:30 PM

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0347/hentoff.php


Questions raised
about Terri's collapse
Celebrated forensic pathologist says 1990 injuries should be
investigated

Posted: October 26, 2003
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35276



Doctor Says Terri Schiavo Likely Victim of 'Some Kind of Trauma'
Jeff Johnson, CNSNews.com
Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/10/29/100629.shtml




Terri Schindler Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest/Heart Attack Lies

Dr. William Hammesfahr stated in a January 7, 2004 Highway2Health
interview with Ron Panzer that Terri did not have a cardiac arrest or
heart attack:

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri never had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also never even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [She had arrhythmias of
the heart, but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her.

  He stated that Terri had marked injury to her neck which still
exists today, and that he has only seen a similar injury, with spinal
cord involvement as well as brain injury, in one case where a patient
had been strangled. He stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her
spine, which he stated is common among persons being thrown against a
table, for example. Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance
Newsletter January 8, 2004 by Ron Panzer [bold emphasis added.]

(Quote source: Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr)



http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schindler_schiavo_cardiac_arrest
_lie.html


I will be posting much more evidence here in the next few days
regarding all of this.  There is already much evidence on this
website and much on http://www.libertytothecaptives as well.  I hope
you will all read it and take action!

Tell your friends and relatives and those you meet what is happening
with Terri and that they are attempting to murder her once again and
how illegal all of this is!  Euthanasia is ILLEGAL in Florida and in
all 50 states!  This is not euthanasia, though, as Terri never had
any wishes to die as Michael claims she did.  There is nothing in
writing from Terri stating she wanted to die if she ever became
incapacitated or had any tubes.  She only has a feeding tube because
Michael demanded she have one and it's also for the convenience of
the nurses, in many cases, not because the patient can't swallow food
and water!

Terri swallows 2 liters of her saliva daily and this is harder to
swallow than actual food!  Terri does not even NEED a feeding tube!

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_swallows_pictures_don't_lie.html


Terri is not a vegetable or a potted plant as George Felos referred
to her!  She is a cognitve, responsive, loving, vulnerable, disabled
human being who has been deprived of all of her rights for years and
years.

See:  Terri Schiavo: Cognitively Able
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_cognitively_able.html

THE ABOVE LINK INCLUDES PICTURES OF TERRI TAKEN FROM A VIDEO IN WHICH
SHE IS OPENING HER EYES AS WIDE AS SHE POSSIBLY CAN AS THE DOCTOR
ASKED HER ASKED HER TO DO, TO PROVE SHE IS NOT A VEGETABLE OR IN A
PERSISTENT VEGETATIVE STATE, AS THE CORRUPT COURTS HAVE ILLEGALLY
RULED SHE IS!

The following transcript was posted on Free Republic on  01/21/2004
7:08:56 PM PST by FL_engineer

From "Terri Big Eyes" video available at terrisfight.org

Terri starts out apparently asleep. A doctor wakes her to start his
tests.

Doctor: Terri. Open your eyes up...

Terri: (Startled at hearing her name. She starts moving her mouth and
fluttering her eyes, like a person who is just waking up)

Doctor: Open your eyes, Terri open your eyes

Terri: (slowly at first, Terri struggles to open her eyes, then turns
toward the doctor, and opens her eyes a normal amount)

Doctor: There you go, good.

Terri: (then, either to show off (?) or wanting to perform well, she
leans further forward toward the doctor, looks straight at him and
opens her eyes as WIDE AS SHE CAN. Note the WRINKLES ACROSS HER
FOREHEAD caused by her also RAISING HER EYEBROWS as high as possible )

Doctor: [now obviously impressed] GOOD!! GOOD JOB! GOOD JOB YOUNG
LADY! Good Job. (Thanks to Melissa S. for alerting me to the pictures
and commentary posted by FL engineer.)

Much more is at this link INCLUDING PICTURES TO PROVE TERRI IS
RESPONSIVE, AND NOT PVS OR UNCONSCIOUS OR IN A COMA AS THE MEDIA HAS
LIED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT OVER AND OVER:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_cognitively_able.html




If Terri was given therapy and medical treatment now for her
hydrocephalus (excess fluid in her brain caused by head trauma from
Michael Schiavo, her husband on Feb. 25, 1990) she could get much
better!  The neurologist who examined Terri recently stated (January
7, 2004) in a radio interview that Terri has hydrocephalus and needs
to be treated for this.  This is a very treatable condition and Terri
would be remarkedly better if she was allowed to get treatment which
she is entitled to have BY LAW!

SEE MY POST RE: TERRI HAS HYDROCEPHALUS
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/28

THEN READ THE INFO. BELOW ON TREATMENT FOR THIS CONDITION:

What Is Hydrocephalus?


Hydrocephalus comes from the Greek: "hydro" means water, "cephalus"
means head. Hydrocephalus is an abnormal accumulation of
cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) within cavities called ventricles inside
the brain. CSF is produced in the ventricles, circulates through the
ventricular system and is absorbed into the bloodstream. CSF is in
constant circulation and has many important functions. It surrounds
the brain and spinal cord and acts as a protective cushion against
injury. CSF contains nutrients and proteins necessary for the
nourishment and normal function of the brain. It also carries waste
products away from surrounding tissues. Hydrocephalus occurs when
there is an imbalance between the amount of CSF that is produced and
the rate at which it is absorbed. As the CSF builds up, it causes the
ventricles to enlarge and the pressure inside the head to increase.

Hydrocephalus that is congenital (present at birth) is thought to be
caused by a complex interaction of environmental and perhaps genetic
factors. Aqueductal stenosis and spina bifida are two examples.
Acquired hydrocephalus may result from intraventricular hemorrhage,
meningitis,

head trauma,

(Like the HEAD TRAUMA from Michael Schiavo, her "husband"
on 2-25-90!  See http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg
"CLOSED HEAD INJURY" is noted on the bone scan
done on Terri on 3-5-91!  Melissa)


tumors and cysts. Hydrocephalus is believed to occur in about 2 out
of 1,000 births. The incidences of adult-onset hydrocephalus and
acquired hydrocephalus are not known.

How Is Hydrocephalus Treated?

There is no known way to prevent or cure hydrocephalus. The most
effective treatment is surgical insertion of a shunt. Learn more
about shunts. Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is growing in
popularity as an alternative treatment method for hydrocephalus.
Learn more about third ventriculostomy.

http://hydroassoc.org/information/information.htm


About Shunts


The most common method of treatment of hydrocephalus is surgical
placement of a shunt.

A shunt is a flexible tube placed into the ventricular system that
diverts the flow of CSF into another region of the body where it can
be absorbed, such as the peritoneal (abdominal) cavity or the right
atrium of the heart. The shunt tube is about 1/8 inch in diameter and
is made of a soft and pliable plastic that is well tolerated by our
body tissues. Shunt systems come in a variety of models but have
similar functional components. Catheters (tubing) and a flow-control
mechanism (one-way valve) are components common to all shunts. The
valve in the shunt maintains the CSF at normal pressure within the
ventricles.

The surgical placement of a shunt, which is performed by a
neurosurgeon, is a relatively short and uncomplicated procedure. The
patient is brought to the operating room and is placed under general
anesthesia. To insure cleanliness, a small region of the scalp may be
clipped or shaved, and, for a ventriculoperitoneal shunt, the entire
area from the scalp to the abdomen is scrubbed with an antiseptic
solution. Sterile drapes are placed over the patient. Incisions are
made in the head and abdominal areas. The shunt tube is passed
beneath the skin, in the fatty tissue that lies just below the skin.
A small hole is made in the skull, and the membranes between the
skull and brain are opened. The ventricular end of the shunt is
gently passed through the brain into the lateral ventricle. The
abdominal (peritoneal) end is passed into the abdominal cavity
through a small opening in the lining (peritoneum) of the abdomen.
This is where the CSF will ultimately be absorbed. The incisions are
then closed. When the procedure is completed, sterile bandages may be
applied to the incisions and the patient is taken to the recovery
room where the anesthesia is allowed to wear off.

For information about endoscopic third ventriculostomy, click here.

To request more information about hydrocephalus and shunts, contact
us by web or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

Learn more about specific types of shunts by visiting the websites of
the major shunt manufacturers.

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/shunt.html


About Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy


Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is a relatively new surgical
procedure for the treatment of hydrocephalus. The surgery involves
making a hole in the floor of the third ventricle to allow free flow
of spinal fluid into the basal cisterns for absorption. This concept
is an old one, and other procedures utilizing this type of approach
have been tried for many years. The improvement in endoscopic
equipment combined with the ability of MRI to visualize actual brain
anatomy prior to the procedure have led to a new enthusiasm for ETV.

ETV is appropriate for treating obstructive (noncommunicating)
hydrocephalus. It is controversial as to whether it is effective in
treating non-obstructive (communicating) hydrocephalus, although some
neurosurgeons have used it successfully in these cases. In order to
perform the procedure, the ventricles must be large enough to see the
appropriate brain structures. In cases of so-called slit ventricle
syndrome, or when the child is already shunted, it may be necessary
to disable the shunt temporarily in order to increase the size of
ventricles for the surgery.

Many neurosurgeons do not perform ETV on children below the age of
two years because the failure rate is higher than for older children.
Five-year patency rates of ETV are in the 50-80 percent rage,
depending on the anatomy of the child and the cause of hydrocephalus.
The initial complication rate of ETV is higher than that for shunt
placement, but, if successful, the procedure eliminates the need for
a shunt as well as the associated risks of shunt malfunction. Even
when ETV is initially successful, it is still very important for the
child to have periodic neurosurgical evaluations.

Read an article about ETV from our newsletter.

For more information about ETV and hydrocephalus, contact us by web

(Note:  e-mail them at hydroassoc.org
Melissa Roxanne Stanley)

or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/etv.html


About Our Newsletter


Our 12-page newsletter is published quarterly. All dues-paying
members receive a free subscription to the newsletter.

The following articles from past issues of the newsletter are
available online:

Accommodations and Modifications "Accommodations and modifications
are types of adaptations made to the learning environment and
curriculum, as well as teaching methods and testing procedures. These
adaptations are needed by students with learning differences to
enable them to progress with the general curriculum and participate
actively in the classroom and in school-wide activities." [Fall 2002]

Adult-Onset Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus: An Update. "We report here
on two medical centers that have developed a specialty in the
diagnosis and treatment of adult onset normal pressure
hydrocephalus." [Fall 1999]

Creating a Circle of Friends. "The lives of people with disabilities
are often consumed by their medical and practical needs. Friendships
are viewed almost as a luxury, and there is often the sense that
friendships between people with and without disabilities are rare.
Circle of Friends aims to change this." [Fall 2000]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: A Promising Procedure. "Although in
the best-case scenario third ventriculostomy can produce the desired
much-result of treating hydrocephalus without a shunt, doctors
caution that this procedure is not for everyone." [Winter 1996]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: An Update on Recent Research. "The
growing interest in ETV continues and we report here on two recent
studies published in Pediatric Neurosurgery. While both studies
report positive outcomes for the most part, the authors, as well as
most other neurosurgeons performing ETV, are still practicing caution
in its application." [Fall 1998]

FollowMe: Web-Based Software for Medical Record Management"FollowMe
is a Web site designed to empower people by keeping important medical
information stored in one location, on the Internet, so it can
literally "follow them" wherever their travels take them throughout
their lives." [Summer 2001]
Get the Most Out of Your Health Insurance
"Special Needs Advocate for Parents (SNAP) understands how hard it is
to fight for medical benefits and has set out to help individuals
gain the skills and confidence to get the most out of their medical
insurance plan to obtain the care necessary for their special
needs."  [Fall 2003]

Hospitalization Tips. "A hospitalization can be difficult for any
child, young adult or adult. It can also be trying for the parents
and the family that must watch their loved ones go through such an
experience." [Fall 1996]

Hydrocephalus and Epileptic Seizures. A 1999 study investigates
whether there is a correlation between hydrocephalus and seizures.
[Spring 2001]

Know Your Insurance Rights."Being aware of your rights is an
important step toward ensuring your ability to obtain and maintain
the coverage you need. This article provides an overview of health
insurance legislation that may be helpful in a variety of
situations." [Spring 2002]

Leading Your Own IEP. "At first, the thought of leading my own IEP
was intimidating. Didn't one have to have a teaching credential
to
lead an IEP? I soon learned that the answer was no." [Fall 2001]

Managing Anxiety in the Emergency Room "Nature has a way of
compressing maximal amounts of anxiety into ER visits. It is possible
to unstress yourself somewhat by thinking about the visit in advance
and having knowledge about how questions of shunt malfunction can be
approached. " [Summer 2002]

Second Thoughts and Second Opinions. "In the cateogry of touchy
subjects, this probably ranks up near number one-the more so since
the professions reading this are members of the choir and not the
congregation. The recent experiences of several families, however,
point out the critical role that second opinions can play in
determining treatment." [Spring 1998]

Shunt Technology: Challenges and Emerging Directions. A copy of the
presentation made by the Hydrocephalus Association at the 1999 Shunt
Technology Conference sponsored by the FDA. Based on a survey of 414
members of the Association. [Spring 1999]

Siblings Are People, Too! "Siblings [of children with hydrocephalus]
need the chance to talk about themselves as individuals, not only in
relation their sibling." [Winter 1996/97]

Slit Ventricle Syndrome Update
"Slit Ventricle Syndrome (SVS) is a phenomenon in children. Adults do
not have slit ventricle syndrome unless it started in childhood.
Symptoms can include headache, varying degrees of lethargy, with or
without nausea, and vomiting." [Spring 2004]

"This article discusses the therapeutic options to managing SVS."

Taking Hydrocephalus to Work. "How hydrocephalus affects you at work
depends greatly on how your brain and body have reacted to shunt-
related operations. As an adult with hydrocephalus who's been through
a few revisions, I know that there are many factors, such as stress
and pressure, that contribute to how well I function throughout my
workday." [Spring 1999]

Talking Hydrocephalus. How—and when—do we talk about having
hydrocephalus? There's a fine line between educating others and
violating our own (or our children's) privacy. [Fall 2001]

Third Ventriculostomy for Failed Shunts
"Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy (ETV) is an alternative to shunting
that may allow patients with hydrocephalus to avoid shunt
implantation or allow a patient with a nonfunctioning shunt to have
it removed. It is important for patients to understand the risks and
benefits of this procedure." [Winter 2004]

Live (Almost) From Public TV. The Hydrocephalus Association was
profiled by a groundbreaking PBS series called The Visionaries. Find
out more about this inspiring, educational show and when it will be
airing in your hometown. [Fall 2003]

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/newsletter.htm




Dr. William Hammesfahr, a Neurologist in Clearwater, Florida where
Terri lives, and who testified in court on behalf of her parents,
examined her and offered to treat Terri free of charge.  He has
wonderful treatment which could help her as well.  He and a dozen
other doctors have stated that Terri is not in a PVS (Persistent
Vegetative State) and is responsive and can get better with
treatment.

See Dr. Hammesfahr's report here:

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html


http://www.euthanasia.com/veg.html

Studies have shown that PVS is misdiagnosed 43% (almost half) of the
time!  (See link above)!


Kate Adamson was aware and feeling pain when doctors thought she
wasn't conscious and couldn't feel any pain.  She is now a
motivational speaker due to her husband, an attorney, believed she
was communicating with him by blinking her eyes, and he saved her
life!

O'REILLY: All right.  How did you come out of this now?  How did the
doctors know to put the tube back in?

ADAMSON:  Well, first of all, having Steven as a strong advocate and
not only being an attorney but yelling and screaming and insisting,
insisting, that they do that.

O'REILLY:  All right, but -- so your husband, an attorney, Steven,
insisted, and you...

ADAMSON:  Right.

O'REILLY:  What did you get, a court order, Counselor, to get the
tube back into your wife's system.

STEVEN KLUGMAN, HUSBAND OF STROKE VICTIM:  I threatened to sue the
whole world, and I told them that their best course was to try to
save her, and maybe they wouldn't get sued...



Note:  Kate Adamson was in what's called a "Locked In State" meaning
she could not move except occasionally she could blink her eyelids
only.  Terri is not paralyzed or in a locked in state.  She smiles,
cries, laughs, tries to talk, responds to commands, and more.
Whether in a locked in state as Kate was or able to respond as Terri
is, neither should have almost died due to starvation or
dehydration.  Kate did receive either some food or some fluid, per
Jackie Patru of http://www.sweetliberty who interviewed her and told
me this.  Melissa

Here is a transcript of Kate Adamson and her husband on FoxNews'
O'Reilly Factor:

The O'Reilly Factor, November 5, 2003.

BILL O'REILLY, HOST:  In the Back of the Book segment tonight, the
parents of Terri Schiavo (search) are hoping for a miracle.  Their
daughter has been in a vegetative state for 13 years, as you know.
Ms. Schiavo's husband wants her to die, and so do many in the State
of Florida.

But listen to this.  In 1995, Kate Adamson was in a similar
position.  She was in a vegetative state after suffering a stroke.

For almost 70 days, she was totally unresponsive.  Doctors finally
pulled her feeding tube.  And, for eight days, she was dying.

Then Ms. Adamson began responding on her own.  Doctors quickly put
the feeding tube back in, and she recovered.

Joining us now from Los Angeles is Kate Adamson and her husband,
Steven Klugman.  Ms. Adamson has written a book called Kate's
Journey: Triumph Over Adversity (search).

So, in the Schiavo case, Ms. Adamson, you must have very strong
feelings about that.

KATE ADAMSON, AUTHOR, KATE'S JOURNEY: TRIUMPH OVER ADVERSITY:  Yes, I
do.  I have a huge prospective on what Terri is going through.

O'REILLY:  And what would that be?

ADAMSON:  Well, especially after having gone through this myself and
the doctors assuming that I was in a vegetative state, when, in fact,
I was totally aware of what was going on around me.

O'REILLY:  Could you hear -- could you hear people and see them and
all?

ADAMSON:  I could see and hear everything going on around me, and I
had no way...

O'REILLY:  Really?

ADAMSON:  ... of communicating with anyone.

O'REILLY:  So you were like paralyzed in every way, but you could
hear...

ADAMSON:  Completely paralyzed.

O'REILLY:  You could hear the words, you knew your husband was in the
room when he was there and all of that?

ADAMSON:  Exactly.  I knew what I wanted to say.  I had -- I was
completely paralyzed.  I had no way of communicating at all.

O'REILLY:  This is amazing.  It's like an Edgar Allen Poe (search)
story.  So when they took...

ADAMSON:  It's like a nightmare.

O'REILLY:  When they took the feeding tube out, what went through
your mind?

ADAMSON:  When the feeding tube was turned off for eight days, I was -
- thought I was going insane.  I was screaming out don't you know I
need to eat.  And even up until that point, I had been having a
bagful of Ensure as my nourishment that was going through the feeding
tube.  At that point, it sounded pretty good.  I just wanted
something.  The fact that I had nothing, the hunger pains overrode
every thought I had.

O'REILLY:  So you were feeling pain when they removed your tube?

ADAMSON:  Yes.  Oh, absolutely.  Absolutely.  To say that --
especially when Michael [Schiavo] on national TV had mentioned last
week that it's a pretty painless thing to have the feeding tube
removed.  It is the exact opposite.  It was sheer torture, Bill.

O'REILLY:  It's just amazing.

ADAMSON:  Sheer torture.  And they're having it ripped out.

O'REILLY: All right.  How did you come out of this now?  How did the
doctors know to put the tube back in?

ADAMSON:  Well, first of all, having Steven as a strong advocate and
not only being an attorney but yelling and screaming and insisting,
insisting, that they do that.

O'REILLY:  All right, but -- so your husband, an attorney, Steven,
insisted, and you...

ADAMSON:  Right.

O'REILLY:  What did you get, a court order, Counselor, to get the
tube back into your wife's system.

STEVEN KLUGMAN, HUSBAND OF STROKE VICTIM:  I threatened to sue the
whole world, and I told them that their best course was to try to
save her, and maybe they wouldn't get sued...

O'REILLY:  OK.  So they finally...

KLUGMAN:  ... and they finally decided that was...

O'REILLY:  ... listened to you after eight days.  They put the tube
back.  And then how long did it take for you to come out of the
vegetative state?

ADAMSON:  Well, it was a matter of time, and, of course, when you're
in that position, I had no conception of time at all.  I wasn't able
to start eating food again.  I had to start on pureed foods and still
have the feeding tube turned on because of my weight loss.

KLUGMAN:  There was a good week to two weeks where she was aware, she
was communicating, and I couldn't get anyone to believe me.  Just
like the...

O'REILLY:  How did you know?

KLUGMAN:  ... the family.

O'REILLY: How did you know?

KLUGMAN:  But I would -- I'd ask her to blink once if she could
understand me and she would.

O'REILLY:  Well, I mean that's pretty obvious.  A doctor comes in,
and you do the demonstration.

KLUGMAN:  The doctor -- well, she would be so weak after blinking
once or twice, she couldn't do it again for an hour or more.

O'REILLY:  I see.

KLUGMAN:  These people are so weak.

ADAMSON:  You know, Bill, I had to blink every -- that's how I
communicated, was blinking.

O'REILLY:  Yes, but how long did it take you once they reinserted the
feeding tube into you, Kate, for you then to convince the doctors
that you were aware?

ADAMSON:  Well, I couldn't convince the doctors myself.  I couldn't
speak.  I had no ability.  So Steven had to be my advocate.

O'REILLY:  OK.  But how long did it take?

Mr. Klugman, how long did it take?

KLUGMAN:  Two to three weeks.

O'REILLY:  OK.  So two to three weeks, she came back on the feeding,
and then she came out of the vegetative state?

KLUGMAN:  She was never in the vegetative state.  That was just...

O'REILLY:  OK, OK, but she came...

KLUGMAN:  ... their description.

O'REILLY:  When did she get cognizant that everybody knew she was
functioning?

KLUGMAN:  She was -- she was probably always cognizant.  She was, in
fact, operated on at one point, and they treated her as though she
was a vegetable, didn't give her enough anesthetic, and she felt the
entire operation.

O'REILLY:  Wow.

All right.  I'm going to try one more time.  When did you come out of
it so that you could speak and all of that?  How long did it take?

ADAMSON:  Well, it wasn't until I was in acute rehab for the three
months and during that whole process.

O'REILLY:  Three months.  All right.

ADAMSON:  So, in fact, I was on a week to week basis with -- in terms
of how I was recovering whether the insurance company would still
keep me in there.

O'REILLY:  Well, it's an amazing, amazing story, and nobody could say
whether the Schiavo case would be that way, but, you know, to hear
this makes everybody think.

KLUGMAN:  It's possible.

O'REILLY:  Thank you very much, both of you, for coming on The
Factor.  We appreciate it.

ADAMSON:  Thank you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102388,00.html




Look on this website for statues (state laws) being broken and which
have been broken in this case.  Quote these to Governor Bush's office
and in e-mails, faxes, phone calls to officials and media!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/1

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/7

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/17

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/18

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/19

SEE STATUTES AT ABOVE LINKS!


Florida Statues Prohibit Deliberate Acts to End Life


765.309 Florida Statute: Mercy Killing of Euthanasia Not Authorized;
Suicide Distinguished. -- (1) Nothing in this chapter shall be
construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or
euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act of
omission to end the life other than to permit the natural process of
dying. (2) The withholding or withdrawal of life-prolonging
procedures from a patient in accordance with any provision of this
chapter does not, for any purpose, constitute a suicide.

458.326 Florida Statute: Intractable Pain; Authorized Treatment. --
(4) Nothing in this section shall be construed to condone, authorize,
or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, and no treatment authorized
by this section may be used for such purpose.

782.08 Florida Statute: Assisting Self-Murder. -- Every person
deliberately assisting another in the commission of self-murder shall
be guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable
as provided in s.775.082, s. 775.083 or s.775.084.

Florida's prohibitions against assisted suicide protects not only the
terminally ill, but also the disabled, the elderly, the chronically
ill, the severely handicapped.

Withholding food and water by mouth is a deliberate act to end life
and is prohibited in the Florida statutes! "Helping" Terri kill
herself is assisted suicide and is also prohibited in the Florida
statutes.

The above came from http://www.libertytothecaptives.net (see link
below)

http://libertytothecaptives.net/florida_statutes_terri_no_euthanasia.h
tml


See this site for info. regarding Euthanasia and more:

INFORMATION FOR RESEARCH ON EUTHANASIA, PHYSICIAN-ASSISTED SUICIDE,
LIVING WILLS, MERCY KILLING

We are committed to the fundamental belief that the intentional
killing of another person is wrong. We have deep sympathy for
those people who are suffering.

http://www.euthanasia.com/index.html



Terri has never had an attorney represent her in court, not ONCE!
This is highly illegal and that alone is enough to get a new trial!
I have never in my life heard of anyone that was not allowed to have
an attorney (except after the Patriot Acts passed) and I think that
the court just ruled that those designated as enemy combatants that
were denied attorneys have the right to have an attorney represent
them!

Keep coming to my website for much more info. I will be posting re:
Terri and this case and also be sure to visit
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net for lots more important
information.  Look for "What's New" at the above website.

Please pray for Terri and the Schindler family and please make those
phone calls, e-mails, and faxes!  Get the truth out about Terri.
Don't believe the lies all over the media.  Read the truth on this
website and at http://libertytothecaptives.net

What happened in Nazi Germany can happen again and I believe it is
already happening in America and all over the world.  Read my post
here about the first disabled baby who was killed in Germany which
led to other disabled children and adults being murdered and also
people who were falsely accused of being disabled.

Named: The Baby Boy Who Was Nazis' FIRST Euthanasia Victim

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/5

They practiced on all of these people and then moved on to other
groups of people until they had it all down pat.  Millions died in
the Holocaust and the same type of people who caused it to happen and
helped it happen are alive and well in America and elsewhere right
now.  The 4th Reich is alive and well.  If we don't stand up, this
could happen to any of us or all of us.  PLEASE STAND UP NOW AND
PREVENT ANOTHER HOLOCAUST!

Please research this case and Terri as I have and others have and
learn all you can.  Please don't believe the controlled media who has
lied for years about Terri and continues to do so.  Make the phone
calls, e-mails, and faxes to Governor Bush and others.  Tell others.
Pass on info. to them from this site. Your actions could save Terri's
life!  Your inaction could result in Terri's MURDER!

Thank you for your prayers and action to save Terri, and God Bless
all of you who do all you can to save an innocent woman who has been
through torture for years!


QUOTE FROM NEUROLOGIST DR. WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR:
HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely. She is not in a coma. She did not have a
heart attack. She is not in a coma presently. She absolutely can be
rehabilitated. There's no question about that.

Melissa Roxanne Stanley


Read the transcript again:
Foul Play In Terri Schiavo Case?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101458,00.html

October 27, 2003

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: A 1990 heart attack left Terri Schiavo
(search) with severe brain damage. Since then a legal battle has
raged over whether or not to keep her alive. On October 15 her
feeding tube was removed, according to her husband's wishes.

Last week, after intervention by the Florida legislature, Governor
Jeb Bush (search) ordered that her feeding tube be reinserted. Now
time is running out for Terri's husband to challenge the
constitutionality of the law that's been dubbed by many as Terri's
Law.

So what will happen next in this tragic case? Joining us now is
Terri's father, Robert Schindler. And also joining us, a neurosurgeon
who has examined Terri, Dr. William Hammesfahr.

All right. Thank you both for being with us.

How is she doing first of all, Mr. Schindler, after the tube now has
been reinserted?

ROBERT SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S FATHER: She's really made a
remarkable combat. She's very, very tired naturally, being without
food for seven days and hydration. But today, she was probably a
little more responsive than yesterday, and she was very agitated
today. She didn't want to bother with anybody or anything.

HANNITY: Yes. Doctor, you've examined her, and you've come to the
conclusion, No. 1, that can she can be rehabilitated. And when is the
last time you evaluated her and what else did you find?

DR. WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, NEUROLOGIST: I saw her last about a year ago
for the court. I want to just jump in here for a second. I'm a
neurologist and not a neurosurgeon.

HANNITY: I'm sorry.

HAMMESFAHR: I saw her last about a year ago and as part of the court
ordered evaluations.

HANNITY: Yes, but you basically said that she could be rehabilitated,
that she showed...

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely. She is not in a coma. She did not have a
heart attack. She is not in a coma presently. She absolutely can be
rehabilitated. There's no question about that.

HANNITY: You know, Mr. ...

HAMMESFAHR: In fact, she follows commands right now. She follows
commands right now.

HANNITY: Well, I can see that.

HAMMESFAHR: She's not in a coma.

HANNITY: I'm not a doctor, but when I see this video it's heart-
wrenching to me and the fact that this poor women went six days
without a feeding tube is frightening to me.

The last time we had you on, Mr. Schindler, you were very harsh in
your comments about the husband. And you believe his fear is, is that
if your daughter wakes up, she will have to -- a tale to tell about
him. Can you...

SCHINDLER: That comes from the evidence that there's medical evidence
that she had a neck injury. And as the doctor said, she had no heart
attack. And her ribs and parts of her body suffered fractures.

HANNITY: Yes.

SCHINDLER: And there's really no explanation for what her collapse
was. Not at all.

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Doctor Hammesfahr, I read the medical report.
There was a report that when she came into the E.R., she had a rigid
neck. Is that consistent with a neck injury?

HAMMESFAHR: Absolutely, yes, it is. They also did X-rays at the
emergency room and the X-rays showed straightening of the normal
spinal curvature, which is very typical of a new neck injury.

COLMES: We heard a lot about low potassium, but this neck injury
stuff is very interesting. Would that kind of a situation be
consistent with the possibility of foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I'd like to go back to the potassium for a second,
because he talked about the potassium and about the diet pills issue
or some other drugs.

COLMES: Sure. Sure.

HAMMESFAHR: But the medical record clearly shows that there has never
been a heart attack. Potassium causes damage by causing heart
attacks, so we know the potassium is not an issue.

COLMES: But with the rigid neck, is that consistent with what could
be foul play?

HAMMESFAHR: I have seen a neck that rigid from trauma to the neck.

COLMES: All right. So you wouldn't venture to say foul play but --
are you intimating that?

HAMMESFAHR: I think that that type of a neck that shows a degree of
injury, and I think that it needs to be looked at much more closely
to find out the exact cause.

Right now we have a woman who had a collapse with no known cause. No
evidence of infection, heart attack, respiratory failure or anything.
The only thing found in the emergency room is a damaged neck.

COLMES: Mr. Schindler, are you going to try to prove foul play at
some point and try to press some kind of a case here against your son-
in- law?

SCHINDLER: Well, what we're trying to do, there are two issues. One
is to get Terri therapy, because we believe she can recover.

And the second thing is we want to have an investigation. We're
asking the local police, the attorney, and no one will touch it.
There's a cap on it. Someone's blocking everything.

HANNITY: Mr. Schindler, we're going to continue to follow this story.
I'm very, very grateful to the Florida legislature and Jeb Bush. I
think they did the right thing, and we'll monitor this and have you
back on again.

SCHINDLER: So were we. Thank you very much.

HANNITY: Doctor, good to see you. Appreciate you being with us.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101458,00.html




REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST STARTED WITH ONE DISABLED CHILD!

Named: The Baby Boy Who Was Nazis' FIRST Euthanasia Victim

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife/message/5


Also, remember what Terri's dad said recently:

TERRI'S DAD, BOB SCHINDLER ON TELEVISION
WITH DR. HAMMESFAHR OCT. 27, 2003:

SCHINDLER: Well, what we're trying to do, there are two issues. One
is to get Terri therapy, because we believe she can recover.

And the second thing is we want to have an investigation. We're
asking the local police, the attorney, and no one will touch it.
There's a cap on it. Someone's blocking everything.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132744,00.html

PLEASE CONTACT GOVERNOR BUSH AND OTHERS NOW!

Florida Governor Jeb Bush
phone: 850-488-7146
email: jeb.bush@... or jeb@...
fax: 850-487-0801 or 850-922-4292
Press Secretary - phone: 850-488-5394
Assistant Donovan Brown - phone: 850-410-0501

WARNING:  THESE ARE VERY GRAPHIC PHOTOS!


http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/autopsy/agree.html

More photos of Lisa here:

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/lisapics.htm

Where is Lisa McPherson's smile?

First impression of the autopsy photos
It is worthy of note that Lisa's relatives agreed to have her
pictures made public, because these pictures speak for themselves.
As I looked at the photos, I was horrified, because it was clearly
evident from them that the deceased had died under very poor general
conditions. Lisa's visage of death conveyed to me evident signs of
her struggle in passing; it looked to me as though she had not left
this world at peace with herself.

Lisa could not have had anything to drink for days, as evident from
the dehydration sores on her lips,mouth, eyes and nose. As it
appears, Lisa died from severe dehydration, because if she would have
received adequate liquid shortly before her death, whether orally or
by infusion, then there would not have been dehydration symptoms.

READ MORE HERE!
http://www.ilsehruby.at/LisaMcPhersonenglish.html


"dehydration sores on her lips,mouth, eyes and nose"

What's New At Liberty To The Captives

Melissa Roxanne Stanley will be on Sweet Liberty radio broadcast on
Thursday, Sept. 30, 2004 at 9:00 pm Eastern.  (Melissa and Liberty to
the Captives do not agree with Jackie Patru's comments about
visualization. Visualization is not a Christian practice.) 9/30/04

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
click on "what's new"



Compare the Dehydrated face of Lisa McPherson  and the Altered face
of Terri Schiavo. This doctored photo makes Terri appear to be
ALREADY dehydrated! (This altered photo reinforces Scientology's
already dead agenda enacted against Terri Schiavo. (Notice that both
women's eyes are sunken and their lips are shrunken and barely
visible. This is indicative of dehydration!)

http://www.lisamcpherson.org


What Happens During Dehydration?
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000982.htm


THE DEATH CULTS LIES ABOUT DEHYDRATION:
http://www.cpforlife.org/id82.htm

Terri has hydrocephalus according to Dr. hammesfahr, Neurologist in
Clearwater, FL who examined her, believes she can get better with
treatment, believes she is not in a PVS, Persistent Vegetative State

See:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

Longer Version with much more info:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

(Since above link is not clickable, go to
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
and look for "what's new" there you will see the above articles re:
Terri has Hydrocephalus plus at top of that article click on link
which leads to longer article of Hammesfahr's Interview on Highway 2
Health from Jan. 2004 re:  Terri has hydrocephalus and much more!)

Also see:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html
re:  Hammesfahr examined Terri and these are his notes!


Hydrocephalus Info. plus Types of Brain Injury
Note: Terri's Bone Scan Indicated Closed Head Injury

Look at top of Bone Scan at the fill-in-form - lower left hand corner
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

HYDROCEPHALUS CAN BE CAUSED BY HEAD TRAUMA/TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY!

Hydrocephalus Association's e-mail address is info@...

Tel:  (415) 732-7040

Toll Free: (888) 598 - 3789

Fax:  (415) 732 - 7044

Website:  http://www.hydroassoc.org

http://www.HydroAssoc.org


http://hydroassoc.org/information/information.htm


Terri has hydrocephalus according to Dr. hammesfahr, Neurologist in
Clearwater, FL who examined her, believes she can get better with
treatment, believes she is not in a PVS, Persistent Vegetative State

See:

Hydrocephalus Info. plus Types of Brain Injury
Note: Terri's Bone Scan Indicated Closed Head Injury

Look at top of Bone Scan at the fill-in-form - lower left hand corner
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

HYDROCEPHALUS CAN BE CAUSED BY HEAD TRAUMA/TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY!

INFO. ABOUT HYDROCEPHALUS-SEE PROOF BELOW!
What Is Hydrocephalus?


Hydrocephalus comes from the Greek: "hydro" means water, "cephalus"
means head. Hydrocephalus is an abnormal accumulation of
cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) within cavities called ventricles inside
the brain. CSF is produced in the ventricles, circulates through the
ventricular system and is absorbed into the bloodstream. CSF is in
constant circulation and has many important functions. It surrounds
the brain and spinal cord and acts as a protective cushion against
injury. CSF contains nutrients and proteins necessary for the
nourishment and normal function of the brain. It also carries waste
products away from surrounding tissues. Hydrocephalus occurs when
there is an imbalance between the amount of CSF that is produced and
the rate at which it is absorbed. As the CSF builds up, it causes the
ventricles to enlarge and the pressure inside the head to increase.

Hydrocephalus that is congenital (present at birth) is thought to be
caused by a complex interaction of environmental and perhaps genetic
factors. Aqueductal stenosis and spina bifida are two examples.
Acquired hydrocephalus may result from intraventricular hemorrhage,
meningitis, ***head trauma*** (asterisks added by Melissa), tumors
and cysts. Hydrocephalus is believed to occur in about 2 out of 1,000
births. The incidences of adult-onset hydrocephalus and acquired
hydrocephalus are not known.

How Is Hydrocephalus Treated?

There is no known way to prevent or cure hydrocephalus. The most
effective treatment is surgical insertion of a shunt.
Learn more about shunts.


About Shunts


The most common method of treatment of hydrocephalus is surgical
placement of a shunt.

A shunt is a flexible tube placed into the ventricular system that
diverts the flow of CSF into another region of the body where it can
be absorbed, such as the peritoneal (abdominal) cavity or the right
atrium of the heart. The shunt tube is about 1/8 inch in diameter and
is made of a soft and pliable plastic that is well tolerated by our
body tissues. Shunt systems come in a variety of models but have
similar functional components. Catheters (tubing) and a flow-control
mechanism (one-way valve) are components common to all shunts. The
valve in the shunt maintains the CSF at normal pressure within the
ventricles.

The surgical placement of a shunt, which is performed by a
neurosurgeon, is a relatively short and uncomplicated procedure. The
patient is brought to the operating room and is placed under general
anesthesia. To insure cleanliness, a small region of the scalp may be
clipped or shaved, and, for a ventriculoperitoneal shunt, the entire
area from the scalp to the abdomen is scrubbed with an antiseptic
solution. Sterile drapes are placed over the patient. Incisions are
made in the head and abdominal areas. The shunt tube is passed
beneath the skin, in the fatty tissue that lies just below the skin.
A small hole is made in the skull, and the membranes between the
skull and brain are opened. The ventricular end of the shunt is
gently passed through the brain into the lateral ventricle. The
abdominal (peritoneal) end is passed into the abdominal cavity
through a small opening in the lining (peritoneum) of the abdomen.
This is where the CSF will ultimately be absorbed. The incisions are
then closed. When the procedure is completed, sterile bandages may be
applied to the incisions and the patient is taken to the recovery
room where the anesthesia is allowed to wear off.

For information about endoscopic third ventriculostomy, click here.

To request more information about hydrocephalus and shunts, contact
us by web or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

Learn more about specific types of shunts by visiting the websites of
the major shunt manufacturers.
http://hydroassoc.org/links/links.htm#shunt
(manufacturers at above link)

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/shunt.html



Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is growing in popularity as an
alternative treatment method for hydrocephalus. Learn more about
third ventriculostomy.

About Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy


Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is a relatively new surgical
procedure for the treatment of hydrocephalus. The surgery involves
making a hole in the floor of the third ventricle to allow free flow
of spinal fluid into the basal cisterns for absorption. This concept
is an old one, and other procedures utilizing this type of approach
have been tried for many years. The improvement in endoscopic
equipment combined with the ability of MRI to visualize actual brain
anatomy prior to the procedure have led to a new enthusiasm for ETV.

ETV is appropriate for treating obstructive (noncommunicating)
hydrocephalus. It is controversial as to whether it is effective in
treating non-obstructive (communicating) hydrocephalus, although some
neurosurgeons have used it successfully in these cases. In order to
perform the procedure, the ventricles must be large enough to see the
appropriate brain structures. In cases of so-called slit ventricle
syndrome, or when the child is already shunted, it may be necessary
to disable the shunt temporarily in order to increase the size of
ventricles for the surgery.

Many neurosurgeons do not perform ETV on children below the age of
two years because the failure rate is higher than for older children.
Five-year patency rates of ETV are in the 50-80 percent rage,
depending on the anatomy of the child and the cause of hydrocephalus.
The initial complication rate of ETV is higher than that for shunt
placement, but, if successful, the procedure eliminates the need for
a shunt as well as the associated risks of shunt malfunction. Even
when ETV is initially successful, it is still very important for the
child to have periodic neurosurgical evaluations.

Read an article about ETV from our newsletter.

For more information about ETV and hydrocephalus, contact us by web
or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.


http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/etv.html

About Our Newsletter


Our 12-page newsletter is published quarterly. All dues-paying
members receive a free subscription to the newsletter.

The following articles from past issues of the newsletter are
available online:

Accommodations and Modifications "Accommodations and modifications
are types of adaptations made to the learning environment and
curriculum, as well as teaching methods and testing procedures. These
adaptations are needed by students with learning differences to
enable them to progress with the general curriculum and participate
actively in the classroom and in school-wide activities." [Fall 2002]

Adult-Onset Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus: An Update. "We report here
on two medical centers that have developed a specialty in the
diagnosis and treatment of adult onset normal pressure
hydrocephalus." [Fall 1999]

Creating a Circle of Friends. "The lives of people with disabilities
are often consumed by their medical and practical needs. Friendships
are viewed almost as a luxury, and there is often the sense that
friendships between people with and without disabilities are rare.
Circle of Friends aims to change this." [Fall 2000]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: A Promising Procedure. "Although in
the best-case scenario third ventriculostomy can produce the desired
much-result of treating hydrocephalus without a shunt, doctors
caution that this procedure is not for everyone." [Winter 1996]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: An Update on Recent Research. "The
growing interest in ETV continues and we report here on two recent
studies published in Pediatric Neurosurgery. While both studies
report positive outcomes for the most part, the authors, as well as
most other neurosurgeons performing ETV, are still practicing caution
in its application." [Fall 1998]

FollowMe: Web-Based Software for Medical Record Management"FollowMe
is a Web site designed to empower people by keeping important medical
information stored in one location, on the Internet, so it can
literally "follow them" wherever their travels take them throughout
their lives." [Summer 2001]
Get the Most Out of Your Health Insurance
"Special Needs Advocate for Parents (SNAP) understands how hard it is
to fight for medical benefits and has set out to help individuals
gain the skills and confidence to get the most out of their medical
insurance plan to obtain the care necessary for their special
needs."  [Fall 2003]

Hospitalization Tips. "A hospitalization can be difficult for any
child, young adult or adult. It can also be trying for the parents
and the family that must watch their loved ones go through such an
experience." [Fall 1996]

Hydrocephalus and Epileptic Seizures. A 1999 study investigates
whether there is a correlation between hydrocephalus and seizures.
[Spring 2001]

Know Your Insurance Rights."Being aware of your rights is an
important step toward ensuring your ability to obtain and maintain
the coverage you need. This article provides an overview of health
insurance legislation that may be helpful in a variety of
situations." [Spring 2002]

Leading Your Own IEP. "At first, the thought of leading my own IEP
was intimidating. Didn't one have to have a teaching credential to
lead an IEP? I soon learned that the answer was no." [Fall 2001]

Managing Anxiety in the Emergency Room "Nature has a way of
compressing maximal amounts of anxiety into ER visits. It is possible
to unstress yourself somewhat by thinking about the visit in advance
and having knowledge about how questions of shunt malfunction can be
approached. " [Summer 2002]

Second Thoughts and Second Opinions. "In the cateogry of touchy
subjects, this probably ranks up near number one-the more so since
the professions reading this are members of the choir and not the
congregation. The recent experiences of several families, however,
point out the critical role that second opinions can play in
determining treatment." [Spring 1998]

Shunt Technology: Challenges and Emerging Directions. A copy of the
presentation made by the Hydrocephalus Association at the 1999 Shunt
Technology Conference sponsored by the FDA. Based on a survey of 414
members of the Association. [Spring 1999]

Siblings Are People, Too! "Siblings [of children with hydrocephalus]
need the chance to talk about themselves as individuals, not only in
relation their sibling." [Winter 1996/97]

Slit Ventricle Syndrome Update
"Slit Ventricle Syndrome (SVS) is a phenomenon in children. Adults do
not have slit ventricle syndrome unless it started in childhood.
Symptoms can include headache, varying degrees of lethargy, with or
without nausea, and vomiting." [Spring 2004]

"This article discusses the therapeutic options to managing SVS."

Taking Hydrocephalus to Work. "How hydrocephalus affects you at work
depends greatly on how your brain and body have reacted to shunt-
related operations. As an adult with hydrocephalus who's been through
a few revisions, I know that there are many factors, such as stress
and pressure, that contribute to how well I function throughout my
workday." [Spring 1999]

Talking Hydrocephalus. How—and when—do we talk about having
hydrocephalus? There's a fine line between educating others and
violating our own (or our children's) privacy. [Fall 2001]

Third Ventriculostomy for Failed Shunts
"Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy (ETV) is an alternative to shunting
that may allow patients with hydrocephalus to avoid shunt
implantation or allow a patient with a nonfunctioning shunt to have
it removed. It is important for patients to understand the risks and
benefits of this procedure." [Winter 2004]

Live (Almost) From Public TV. The Hydrocephalus Association was
profiled by a groundbreaking PBS series called The Visionaries. Find
out more about this inspiring, educational show and when it will be
airing in your hometown. [Fall 2003]

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/newsletter.htm




The Hydrocephalus Association

The Hydrocephalus Association was founded in 1983, incorporated as a
nonprofit 501(c)(3) in 1986, is governed by a Board of Directors, and
employs an Executive Director, Assistant Director, Outreach Director,
and Director of NPH and Older Adult Services. Twenty prominent
medical professionals actively serve on our Medical Advisory Board.

Our mission is to provide support, education and advocacy for
individuals, families and professionals.

Our goal is to ensure that families and individuals dealing with the
complex issues of hydrocephalus receive:


Personal support
Comprehensive educational materials
Ongoing quality health care

We provide a wealth of services and resources to our members and non-
members alike.

We hope you'll explore all the information our website has to offer.

To receive a free packet of information about hydrocephalus, click
here.

For personal, one-to-one support, call our office directly: 415-732-
7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

Our mailing address is: 870 Market Street, Suite 705, San Francisco,
CA 94102.

http://hydroassoc.org

Terri has hydrocephalus according to Dr. hammesfahr, Neurologist in
Clearwater, FL who examined her, believes she can get better with
treatment, believes she is not in a PVS, Persistent Vegetative State

See:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

Longer Version with much more info:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

(Since above link is not clickable, go to
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
and look for "what's new" there you will see the above articles re:
Terri has Hydrocephalus plus at top of that article click on link
which leads to longer article of Hammesfahr's Interview on Highway 2
Health from Jan. 2004 re:  Terri has hydrocephalus and much more!)

Also see:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html
re:  Hammesfahr examined Terri and these are his notes!


Hydrocephalus Info. plus Types of Brain Injury
Note: Terri's Bone Scan Indicated Closed Head Injury

Look at top of Bone Scan at the fill-in-form - lower left hand corner
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

HYDROCEPHALUS CAN BE CAUSED BY HEAD TRAUMA/TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY!

Hydrocephalus Association's e-mail address is info@...

Tel:  (415) 732-7040

Toll Free: (888) 598 - 3789

Fax:  (415) 732 - 7044

Website:  http://www.hydroassoc.org

http://www.HydroAssoc.org


http://hydroassoc.org/information/information.htm


Terri has hydrocephalus according to Dr. hammesfahr, Neurologist in
Clearwater, FL who examined her, believes she can get better with
treatment, believes she is not in a PVS, Persistent Vegetative State

See:

Hydrocephalus Info. plus Types of Brain Injury
Note: Terri's Bone Scan Indicated Closed Head Injury

Look at top of Bone Scan at the fill-in-form - lower left hand corner
states "CLOSED HEAD INJURY"

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg

HYDROCEPHALUS CAN BE CAUSED BY HEAD TRAUMA/TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY!

INFO. ABOUT HYDROCEPHALUS-SEE PROOF BELOW!
What Is Hydrocephalus?


Hydrocephalus comes from the Greek: "hydro" means water, "cephalus"
means head. Hydrocephalus is an abnormal accumulation of
cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) within cavities called ventricles inside
the brain. CSF is produced in the ventricles, circulates through the
ventricular system and is absorbed into the bloodstream. CSF is in
constant circulation and has many important functions. It surrounds
the brain and spinal cord and acts as a protective cushion against
injury. CSF contains nutrients and proteins necessary for the
nourishment and normal function of the brain. It also carries waste
products away from surrounding tissues. Hydrocephalus occurs when
there is an imbalance between the amount of CSF that is produced and
the rate at which it is absorbed. As the CSF builds up, it causes the
ventricles to enlarge and the pressure inside the head to increase.

Hydrocephalus that is congenital (present at birth) is thought to be
caused by a complex interaction of environmental and perhaps genetic
factors. Aqueductal stenosis and spina bifida are two examples.
Acquired hydrocephalus may result from intraventricular hemorrhage,
meningitis, ***head trauma*** (asterisks added by Melissa), tumors
and cysts. Hydrocephalus is believed to occur in about 2 out of 1,000
births. The incidences of adult-onset hydrocephalus and acquired
hydrocephalus are not known.

How Is Hydrocephalus Treated?

There is no known way to prevent or cure hydrocephalus. The most
effective treatment is surgical insertion of a shunt.
Learn more about shunts.


About Shunts


The most common method of treatment of hydrocephalus is surgical
placement of a shunt.

A shunt is a flexible tube placed into the ventricular system that
diverts the flow of CSF into another region of the body where it can
be absorbed, such as the peritoneal (abdominal) cavity or the right
atrium of the heart. The shunt tube is about 1/8 inch in diameter and
is made of a soft and pliable plastic that is well tolerated by our
body tissues. Shunt systems come in a variety of models but have
similar functional components. Catheters (tubing) and a flow-control
mechanism (one-way valve) are components common to all shunts. The
valve in the shunt maintains the CSF at normal pressure within the
ventricles.

The surgical placement of a shunt, which is performed by a
neurosurgeon, is a relatively short and uncomplicated procedure. The
patient is brought to the operating room and is placed under general
anesthesia. To insure cleanliness, a small region of the scalp may be
clipped or shaved, and, for a ventriculoperitoneal shunt, the entire
area from the scalp to the abdomen is scrubbed with an antiseptic
solution. Sterile drapes are placed over the patient. Incisions are
made in the head and abdominal areas. The shunt tube is passed
beneath the skin, in the fatty tissue that lies just below the skin.
A small hole is made in the skull, and the membranes between the
skull and brain are opened. The ventricular end of the shunt is
gently passed through the brain into the lateral ventricle. The
abdominal (peritoneal) end is passed into the abdominal cavity
through a small opening in the lining (peritoneum) of the abdomen.
This is where the CSF will ultimately be absorbed. The incisions are
then closed. When the procedure is completed, sterile bandages may be
applied to the incisions and the patient is taken to the recovery
room where the anesthesia is allowed to wear off.

For information about endoscopic third ventriculostomy, click here.

To request more information about hydrocephalus and shunts, contact
us by web or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

Learn more about specific types of shunts by visiting the websites of
the major shunt manufacturers.
http://hydroassoc.org/links/links.htm#shunt
(manufacturers at above link)

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/shunt.html



Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is growing in popularity as an
alternative treatment method for hydrocephalus. Learn more about
third ventriculostomy.

About Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy


Endoscopic third ventriculostomy (ETV) is a relatively new surgical
procedure for the treatment of hydrocephalus. The surgery involves
making a hole in the floor of the third ventricle to allow free flow
of spinal fluid into the basal cisterns for absorption. This concept
is an old one, and other procedures utilizing this type of approach
have been tried for many years. The improvement in endoscopic
equipment combined with the ability of MRI to visualize actual brain
anatomy prior to the procedure have led to a new enthusiasm for ETV.

ETV is appropriate for treating obstructive (noncommunicating)
hydrocephalus. It is controversial as to whether it is effective in
treating non-obstructive (communicating) hydrocephalus, although some
neurosurgeons have used it successfully in these cases. In order to
perform the procedure, the ventricles must be large enough to see the
appropriate brain structures. In cases of so-called slit ventricle
syndrome, or when the child is already shunted, it may be necessary
to disable the shunt temporarily in order to increase the size of
ventricles for the surgery.

Many neurosurgeons do not perform ETV on children below the age of
two years because the failure rate is higher than for older children.
Five-year patency rates of ETV are in the 50-80 percent rage,
depending on the anatomy of the child and the cause of hydrocephalus.
The initial complication rate of ETV is higher than that for shunt
placement, but, if successful, the procedure eliminates the need for
a shunt as well as the associated risks of shunt malfunction. Even
when ETV is initially successful, it is still very important for the
child to have periodic neurosurgical evaluations.

Read an article about ETV from our newsletter.

For more information about ETV and hydrocephalus, contact us by web
or by telephone: 415-732-7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.


http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/etv.html

About Our Newsletter


Our 12-page newsletter is published quarterly. All dues-paying
members receive a free subscription to the newsletter.

The following articles from past issues of the newsletter are
available online:

Accommodations and Modifications "Accommodations and modifications
are types of adaptations made to the learning environment and
curriculum, as well as teaching methods and testing procedures. These
adaptations are needed by students with learning differences to
enable them to progress with the general curriculum and participate
actively in the classroom and in school-wide activities." [Fall 2002]

Adult-Onset Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus: An Update. "We report here
on two medical centers that have developed a specialty in the
diagnosis and treatment of adult onset normal pressure
hydrocephalus." [Fall 1999]

Creating a Circle of Friends. "The lives of people with disabilities
are often consumed by their medical and practical needs. Friendships
are viewed almost as a luxury, and there is often the sense that
friendships between people with and without disabilities are rare.
Circle of Friends aims to change this." [Fall 2000]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: A Promising Procedure. "Although in
the best-case scenario third ventriculostomy can produce the desired
much-result of treating hydrocephalus without a shunt, doctors
caution that this procedure is not for everyone." [Winter 1996]

Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy: An Update on Recent Research. "The
growing interest in ETV continues and we report here on two recent
studies published in Pediatric Neurosurgery. While both studies
report positive outcomes for the most part, the authors, as well as
most other neurosurgeons performing ETV, are still practicing caution
in its application." [Fall 1998]

FollowMe: Web-Based Software for Medical Record Management"FollowMe
is a Web site designed to empower people by keeping important medical
information stored in one location, on the Internet, so it can
literally "follow them" wherever their travels take them throughout
their lives." [Summer 2001]
Get the Most Out of Your Health Insurance
"Special Needs Advocate for Parents (SNAP) understands how hard it is
to fight for medical benefits and has set out to help individuals
gain the skills and confidence to get the most out of their medical
insurance plan to obtain the care necessary for their special
needs."  [Fall 2003]

Hospitalization Tips. "A hospitalization can be difficult for any
child, young adult or adult. It can also be trying for the parents
and the family that must watch their loved ones go through such an
experience." [Fall 1996]

Hydrocephalus and Epileptic Seizures. A 1999 study investigates
whether there is a correlation between hydrocephalus and seizures.
[Spring 2001]

Know Your Insurance Rights."Being aware of your rights is an
important step toward ensuring your ability to obtain and maintain
the coverage you need. This article provides an overview of health
insurance legislation that may be helpful in a variety of
situations." [Spring 2002]

Leading Your Own IEP. "At first, the thought of leading my own IEP
was intimidating. Didn't one have to have a teaching credential to
lead an IEP? I soon learned that the answer was no." [Fall 2001]

Managing Anxiety in the Emergency Room "Nature has a way of
compressing maximal amounts of anxiety into ER visits. It is possible
to unstress yourself somewhat by thinking about the visit in advance
and having knowledge about how questions of shunt malfunction can be
approached. " [Summer 2002]

Second Thoughts and Second Opinions. "In the cateogry of touchy
subjects, this probably ranks up near number one-the more so since
the professions reading this are members of the choir and not the
congregation. The recent experiences of several families, however,
point out the critical role that second opinions can play in
determining treatment." [Spring 1998]

Shunt Technology: Challenges and Emerging Directions. A copy of the
presentation made by the Hydrocephalus Association at the 1999 Shunt
Technology Conference sponsored by the FDA. Based on a survey of 414
members of the Association. [Spring 1999]

Siblings Are People, Too! "Siblings [of children with hydrocephalus]
need the chance to talk about themselves as individuals, not only in
relation their sibling." [Winter 1996/97]

Slit Ventricle Syndrome Update
"Slit Ventricle Syndrome (SVS) is a phenomenon in children. Adults do
not have slit ventricle syndrome unless it started in childhood.
Symptoms can include headache, varying degrees of lethargy, with or
without nausea, and vomiting." [Spring 2004]

"This article discusses the therapeutic options to managing SVS."

Taking Hydrocephalus to Work. "How hydrocephalus affects you at work
depends greatly on how your brain and body have reacted to shunt-
related operations. As an adult with hydrocephalus who's been through
a few revisions, I know that there are many factors, such as stress
and pressure, that contribute to how well I function throughout my
workday." [Spring 1999]

Talking Hydrocephalus. How—and when—do we talk about having
hydrocephalus? There's a fine line between educating others and
violating our own (or our children's) privacy. [Fall 2001]

Third Ventriculostomy for Failed Shunts
"Endoscopic Third Ventriculostomy (ETV) is an alternative to shunting
that may allow patients with hydrocephalus to avoid shunt
implantation or allow a patient with a nonfunctioning shunt to have
it removed. It is important for patients to understand the risks and
benefits of this procedure." [Winter 2004]

Live (Almost) From Public TV. The Hydrocephalus Association was
profiled by a groundbreaking PBS series called The Visionaries. Find
out more about this inspiring, educational show and when it will be
airing in your hometown. [Fall 2003]

http://hydroassoc.org/newsletter/newsletter.htm




The Hydrocephalus Association

The Hydrocephalus Association was founded in 1983, incorporated as a
nonprofit 501(c)(3) in 1986, is governed by a Board of Directors, and
employs an Executive Director, Assistant Director, Outreach Director,
and Director of NPH and Older Adult Services. Twenty prominent
medical professionals actively serve on our Medical Advisory Board.

Our mission is to provide support, education and advocacy for
individuals, families and professionals.

Our goal is to ensure that families and individuals dealing with the
complex issues of hydrocephalus receive:


Personal support
Comprehensive educational materials
Ongoing quality health care

We provide a wealth of services and resources to our members and non-
members alike.

We hope you'll explore all the information our website has to offer.

To receive a free packet of information about hydrocephalus, click
here.

For personal, one-to-one support, call our office directly: 415-732-
7040 or toll-free 888-598-3789.

Our mailing address is: 870 Market Street, Suite 705, San Francisco,
CA 94102.

http://hydroassoc.org




The following Re:  Types of Brain Injuries was copied from:
http://www.nbia.nf.ca/types_of_brain_injury.htm

Brain Injury:  Types of Brain Injury

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Difference Between a Head Injury and a Brain Injury

Injury to the head or face does not always cause injury to the
brain.  Unfortunately, some professionals in health care fields use
the term "head injury" loosely, to mean that an injury to the brain
has occurred along with a head or facial injury.  Most professional
now use the term "traumatic brain injury" to describe an injury to
the head that results in short-term or long-term problems with
thinking, emotions, or physical function because of damage to the
brain.

Acquired Brain Injury

DEGENERATIVE DISORDERS
Certain inherited disorders or disease can cause neurons of the brain
to begin to die or degenerate over time. Examples of such disorders
are ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE caused by a deficiency in the
neurotransmitter ACETYLCHOLINE, and PARKINSON'S DISEASE caused by a
deficiency in the neurotransmitter DOPAMINE.

STROKE
The brain has the most complex system of blood vessels in the body.
Weighing only about three pounds, it requires about twenty percent of
the blood flow to keep it alive. Only a few minutes without
sufficient blood flow can cause irreversible death of neurons. If the
blood flow is blocked through a stroke (also called CEREBRO-VASCULAR
ACCIDENT or CVA), cell death in the area deprived of blood will
result. If there is bleeding in or over the brain (HEMORRHAGE or
HEMATOMA) because of a tear in an artery or vein, loss of blood flow
and injury to the brain tissue by the blood will also result in brain
damage.

TUMORS
Tumors caused by cancer can also grow in or over the brain. These
tumors can cause brain injury by invading the spaces of the brain and
causing direct damage, such as with invasive or malignant tumors.
Brain injury can also result from pressure effects around an enlarged
tumor.

INFECTIONS
The brain and surrounding membranes are very prone to infections if
the special blood-brain protective system is breached. Viruses and
bacteria can cause serious and life-threatening diseases of the brain
(encephalitis) and meninges (meningitis) that are very difficult to
treat.

ANOXIA AND HYPOXIA
If the blood flow is depleted of oxygen, irreversible brain injury
from ANOXIA (no oxygen) or HYPOXIA (reduced oxygen) can result in
just a few minutes. Anoxia and hypoxia axe often caused by heart
attacks, respiratory failure, drops in blood pressure, and a low
oxygen environment. This type of brain injury can result in severe
cognitive and memory deficits.

METABOLIC DISORDERS
Brain damage due to metabolic disorders can result when harmful
chemicals damage the neurons. Such injury can be caused by being
exposed to toxins like insecticides and solvents.

TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY
TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY (TBI) occurs when a physical trauma to the
head occurs. This can happen by 1) the stationary head being struck
by a rapidly moving object (acceleration injury), 2) the head moving
fast and striking a stationary object (deceleration injury), or 3) by
rapid whiplash movements of the head. If struck with enough force,
brain damage can result due to the direct or indirect causes noted
below:

PRIMARY INJURY: ACCELERATION-DECELERATION MOVEMENT:  The skull is
pretty hard and inflexible. The brain is rather soft, like firm
jello. When the skull makes a rapid movement, it moves as a solid
object. The brain, encased inside the skull, moves at a different
rate than the skull because it is soft. Also, different parts of the
brain move at different speeds because of their relative lightness or
heaviness. The differential movement of the skull and brain when the
head is struck results in direct brain injury from three main causes:
AXONAL SHEARING, CONTUSION (BRUISING), and BRAIN SWELLING (CEREBRAL
EDEMA).

1) AXONAL SHEARING:  When the brain is slammed back and forth inside
the skull after a head trauma, it is alternatively compressed and
stretched because of its soft, jello-like structure. The long,
fragile axons of the neurons that make up the brain are also
compressed and stretched. If the impact is severe enough, axons can
be stretched until they are torn. This is called AXONAL SHEARING.
When this happens, the neuron dies. After a severe traumatic brain
injury, there is massive axonal shearing and neuron death. This is a
major cause of brain damage after a traumatic brain injury and cannot
be directly treated at this time.

2) BRAIN SWELLING (CEREBRAL EDEMA):  The brain also swells after a
severe trauma, just like any other pan of the body. This is a major
cause of brain damage after traumatic brain injury. Very severe
swelling can cause death by compressing the BRAIN STEM.  Brain
swelling can lead to neuron damage by squeezing the cells or from
ANOXIA caused by disrupting the flow of blood and oxygen to the brain.

3) CONTUSION:   The brain's violent slamming against the bones of the
skull can also result in contusions, bruising, and bleeding from the
impact. This results from tearing of small blood vessels. It can
result in the death of neurons. and is the second leading cause of
neuron death after a traumatic brain injury. Small contusions are
usually not treated (concussion) if blood flow is interrupted.

Coup-Contracoup:  After a traumatic brain injury, contusion can occur
anywhere in the brain. Often, most of the contusions will be on the
underside of the FRONTAL and TEMPORAL LOBES because of the irregular
and rough texture of the bones underlying these parts of the brain.
In addition, specific sites of bruising and contusion can occur at
the site of the blow to the head ("coup") and the site directly
opposite to where the blow was struck on the head ("contracoup").

Hematomas:  If the blood vessels damaged by the impact inside the
skull are large enough, they may bleed enough to create a pool of
blood or HEMATOMA. A HEMATOMA can cause brain injury by directly
damaging the neurons it comes in contact with or by squeezing neurons
through increased pressure in the brain due to its volume. The
treatment for a HEMATOMA is to surgically drain it, if possible.

SECONDARY INJURY: SEIZURES AND HYDROCEPHALUS:  In addition to primary
injury to the brain, traumatic brain injury can also result in two
main secondary problems that can cause additional brain injury or
complications: SEIZURE DISORDERS and HYDROCEPHALUS.

SEIZURE DISORDERS:  A secondary effect of traumatic brain injury can
be a SEIZURE DISORDER, caused by a specific injury that leads to a
disruption in the electrical activity of the brain. Seizure disorders
can occur immediately, soon, or much later after a traumatic brain
injury. Seizures are usually treated by anticonvulsant drugs.

HYDROCEPHALUS:  The flow of cerebral spinal fluid in the ventricles
of the brain can sometimes be blocked or disrupted after a traumatic
brain injury. When this happens, the fluid being constantly made in
the ventricles can accumulate in the brain, causing increased
pressure. This problem is called HYDROCEPHALUS and it can be a
serious secondary effect of a traumatic brain injury. HYDROCEPHALUS
can be treated by inserting a needle valve into the ventricles to
draw off the fluid down a tube into the abdominal cavity. This
procedure, called a VENTRICULO-PERITONEAL SHUNT, reduces the pressure
inside the brain.

Mild Brain Injury:  What To Expect

You have had a mild brain injury, or concussion. This is a common
injury, and most people recover fully. This is to tell you what to
expect as you recover.

FATIGUE:   Most people with a concussion experience some degree of
fatigue during their recovery. You may find that you need to sleep
more than usual, and that it is harder to do things at the end of the
day. It is a good idea to get the extra sleep you need. An afternoon
nap can be a help if you find you can't function well later in the
day.

RETURN TO WORK:   It is a good idea to return to your usual
activities as soon as you feel able, but bit by bit rather than all
at once. If at all possible, you should return to work part time,
such as four hours a day, before returning to full time. If you can
handle four hours without getting too fatigued or stressed, then try
five and gradually increase to full time. The same is true for other
activities. You should return to household chores, bill-paying,
exercise programs, social activities, hobbies, etc. soon, but at a
lower level of involvement. Gradually increase your involvement as
you are able to tolerate it. You will know that you are pushing
yourself too hard or too soon if you get fatigued and inefficient; if
you get headaches or your headaches get worse; or if you become
overly stressed, irritable, or emotional.

IRRITABILITY AND EMOTIONS:   Some people are irritable and emotional
for a while after a concussion. They may yell at people or say things
they wouldn't normally say. Some may even get violent. You may also
find that you get more emotional in other ways, getting frustrated or
tearful when you normally wouldn't. If any of these episodes happen,
it is usually a sign that it is time to take a rest from what you are
doing and get away from it. It helps to go some place quiet to calm
down. If you find that you become violent at all or you or others
fear that you may become violent, you should definitely get some help
dealing with this.

UNCERTAINTY:   Many people feel uncertain, perplexed, or confused
after a concussion. They find that their mind and feelings don't
react in the ways they are used to. They may fear that they are going
crazy. This is a normal reaction to a brain injury. If you have these
feelings, it is good to talk about them with someone you trust.
Because your mind is not as reliable for a period of time, it is a
good idea to check with someone you trust about important decisions
you make.

COMMON SYMPTOMS OF MILD BRAIN INJURY
Physical:

  Dizziness
  Fatigue
  Headaches
  Visual complaints
  Sleep disturbance

COGNITIVE:

  Inability to concentrate
  Memory problems
  Impulsitivity, poor judgment
  Slow in task performance
  Difficulty putting thoughts into words

PSYCHOSOCIAL:

  Depression
  Anger outbursts
  Irritability
  Personality changes
  Suspiciousness


CONCENTRATION AND MEMORY:   After a concussion, you may have a period
of time when it is hard to concentrate or to remember recent events.
It may be hard to deal with noisy, busy surroundings. It can be hard
to do complicated activities, or to keep track of several things at
once. Switching from one thing to another may be hard, or it may be
hard to get back to something when you have been interrupted. You can
deal with this by avoiding noisy settings at first and then returning
to them gradually. Write down the important things you have to
remember, or ask for reminders. Return to your usual activities
gradually, and don't take on too much at once.

ALCOHOL:   It is best not to drink alcohol or use any recreational
drugs during the period of recovery from a head injury. If you have
further questions about this, ask us.

WHAT'S NEXT?   Most people recover fully from a mild brain injury.
Usually they get better rapidly in the first few days. Problems that
linger may clear up in a few weeks. Some problems may become more
apparent as you return to your usual activities. For example, you may
not realize you get tired easily until you try to work for eight
hours, or you may not realize you have trouble doing several things
at once in a noisy environment until you try it. Even so, peo-ple0
usually get better after a brain injury, not worse. If you find that
things are getting worse, you should see your doctor. If problems
like headaches, dizziness, double vision, ringing in your ears, or
fatigue continue, you should see your doctor again. If problems like
irritability, uncertainty, or difficulty with concentration and
memory continue beyond a few weeks, then cal us to help you. You
don't have to suffer through this alone, and many of these problems
can be treated. You can also call us if you encounter more serious
difficulties at any time such as violence, or an employer who won't
accommodate your needs, or legal difficulties connected to your
injury.

How Do I Know How Severe the Injury Is?

Physicians rate brain injuries as mild, moderate, or severe, usually
by determining how deep and long the coma is. Coma is a state of
unresponsiveness during which the eyes are closed, but the person is
not asleep. If the Glasgow Coma Scale score is 8 or less, the person
is in coma.

Post-traumatic amnesia is the period after the injury when the person
has emerged from coma but cannot remember ongoing (day-to-day)
events. Post-traumatic amnesia is probably a better indicator of
injury severity than coma.

TBI Effects on Vision

WHAT IS TBI

Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), is a condition that results when there
is a closed head trauma during an incident such as a car accident, a
fall, or other jarring motion to the body. TBI has been categorized
as mild, moderate, or severe by the neurological community. While not
associated with fractures, and while the injuries sustained do not
necessarily show up on the neurological tests such as CAT scans or
MRI's, even a patient with mild TBI can show significant functional
impairments.  This trauma can occur even in the absence of a lost of
consciousness at the time of injury.

HOW CAN TBI EFFECT VISION

TBI patients may show many types of visual dysfunction, including
focusing problems, eye muscles coordination deficits, changes in
glasses prescription, and peripheral vision changes.  Patients may
also notice a slowing of their ability to process information,
problems with attention on concentration, and impairments of memory.
The symptoms related to these dysfunctions may include diplopia
(double vision), intermittent blurriness, light sensitivity, spatial
disorientation, headache, or more general complaints of fatigue.  Not
only is the visual system involved function which regulates balance
and motion detection may also be effected. These problems impact on
daily living activities including reading, driving, and eye-hand
coordination activities.

WHAT CAUSES THESE SYMPTOMS?

While neurological testing may not reveal physical evidence of the
damage causing the deficits, the trauma sustained does compromise the
neuro-mechanisms of visual information processing. The
terms "whiplash" and "neck-sprain" have been used to describe those
injuries that result from auto accidents, where even if the head
avoids striking something, the hyper-extension and hyper-flexion of
the neck in response to impact forces can cause damage. In the neck,
muscles and ligaments undergo stretching and strain, or in more
violent injuries, actual tearing. TBI may also cause injury to the
arteries, stretching of the nerves, and more rarely, injuries to the
vertebral column itself. There sheering or stretching forces
generated as a result of trauma are responsible for the soft tissue
damage that leads to the eye muscle coordination problems and
symptoms that patients experience.

HOW CAN THE VISUAL EFFECTS OF TBI BE TREATED

Some of the earliest studies on TBI patients indicate that at least
50% of patients had a disturbance of the eye muscle coordination
system of one form or another. Some patients exhibit "natural
recovery" which in most studies occurs within the first six months
after trauma. This recovery can be assisted with the use of any
necessary prescription lenses. In some cases, use of special prism
prescriptions can help for eye muscle system problems.  Since the
first studies in 1978, the question has been asked "can vision
therapy techniques be effectively used to rehabilitate the visual
system?"  Some patients, estimated between 2% and 30%, demonstrate no
natural recovery, but do display recovery of visual skills in
response to vision therapy.  Studies have also demonstrated a
learning curve which is markedly enhanced when vision therapy is
utilized, compared to natural recovery alone.  Most importantly, not
only can visual skills be rehabilitated, but there is a post training
maintenance of the therapy effects.  The level of recovery achieved
has also been shown to be enhanced when therapy is employed compared
to the effects of natural recovery alone.

WHAT IS VISION THERAPY

Vision therapy  of TBI patients consists of a program of activities
that are used to rehabilitate the visual system. Vision therapy is
provided in certain optometric offices that have specialty interest
in this field of care. Therapy programs may be necessary for
different patients. For more information please contact the NBIA at
(709) 579-3070.

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http://www.nbia.nf.ca/types_of_brain_injury.htm

Felos' New Age Beliefs - Notice alter on shelf with pic of Yogi which
may be Paramahansa Yogananda, not sure.  The Bible warns us about
worshiping false gods and Idol worship as well as not practicing
divination, sorcery, witchcraft, and related occult practices.  The
Bible also tells us God's Laws including "Thou shalt not kill."

See THE LAW OF GOD,

"THOU SHALT NOT KILL"
DEUTERONOMY 5:17, KJV;
EXODUS 20:13, KJV;
MATTHEW 5:21, KJV;
ROMANS 13:9, KJV

Also see:

"THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER"
MATTHEW 19:18, KJV

"DO NOT KILL"
MARK 10:19, KJV;
LUKE 18:20;
JAMES 2:11, KJV


Melissa


http://sptimes.com/News/052501/Floridian/The_spirit_and_the_la.shtml

(PICS AT LINK ABOVE)

The spirit and the law

How many lawyers does it take to find enlightenment? There's no punch
line; one of the lawyers in the Terri Schiavo case has spent his life
seeking the way to "litigate without becoming a combatant.''
By SHARON TUBBS

© St. Petersburg Times, published May 25, 2001


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DUNEDIN -- A cluster of reporters wait, notebooks and pens poised. A
cameraman counts down the seconds to the start of the press
conference, which will be televised live. In walks lawyer George
Felos, wearing a navy suit jacket, beige slacks, blue shirt, tie and -
- excuse me? -- brown socks and Birkenstocks.

If he had his druthers, Felos and his Birkenstocks would be at a West
Virginia monastery, where he'd sit cross-legged and meditate for
hours at a time, as he did on vacation last year. Or maybe he'd be
doing yoga and centering his chi.

Instead, in a controversial case, he is here to argue that 37-year-
old Terri Schiavo should be allowed to die. Felos represents
Schiavo's husband Michael Schiavo, who has been waging an intense and
public fight to have her taken off life support after 11 years in a
vegetative state.

Felos, 49, has taken on about 10 right-to-die cases in the last
decade. He balances his quest for spiritual growth with his lawyerly
duty to fight.

"Many people find the litigation process to be aggressive, to be
combative, to be harsh," he says. "And the question is: How do you
work within that type of system and not become hardened . . . and
maintain a spiritual center? How do you litigate without becoming a
combatant?

"I look at (the profession) as the opportunity to become more
centered. To use it as an opportunity for growth, rather than a
reason not to be spiritual."

A soul connection
Felos' spiritual and professional lives intersected in a public way
12 years ago, in the case of Estelle Browning. The case gained him a
reputation as the person to see when you want to let someone die.

Browning, of Dunedin, had written a living will in 1985, saying she
did not want to be kept alive by artificial means if she ever became
ill. A year later, she had a stroke. But the nursing home refused to
stop feeding her because she was not technically brain dead. Her
cousin and former roommate, Doris Herbert, asked Felos to take the
case.

He wanted to see Browning for himself. She could not speak, but Felos
says his spiritual side picked up on something. He says her soul
cried out to his soul and asked, "Why am I still here?"

Browning died in 1989 of natural causes while the case was still
unresolved, but the suit has had a lasting effect on the law. In
1990, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that a living will can allow
caregivers to withhold food and water from an incapacitated person,
even when death is not imminent.

After the Browning case, Felos became a volunteer for the Hospice of
the Florida Suncoast, sitting and talking with terminally ill
patients. On his living room shelf sits a book for hospice training,
Dying Well, by Ira Byock.

In recent years he has been writing a book of his own: Litigation as
Spiritual Practice. In 320 pages, to be released this fall by Blue
Dolphin Publishing, Felos contends that his belief in God is what
drives him, even in the civil courtroom where the object is to win,
or at least settle for an adequate sum.

A spiritual being
Who is George Felos?

"Well, what we are in essence can't be described by words," he
says. "The mind is finite, and what we are is infinite. We know what
we're not. We're not the body. We're not the mind. We're not our
thoughts. We're not our emotions.

"In essence," he says, "we're spiritual beings."

Felos was a spiritual being first and a laywer second. He was in law
school at Boston University when a friend asked if he wanted to try
yoga as a stress-reliever.

Felos learned how to meditate, to "notice" his reactions to his
thoughts. He says he learned the events in his life were only as
important as he thought they were.

And he learned about other cultures and Eastern religions.
Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Greek Orthodox worship -- all may have
a point, Felos says.

"I believe that Christ was God incarnate and was resurrected. But, by
the same token, I believe that there were other incarnations of God
as well," he says. "All the great religions in their essence express
the same fundamental truths."

Sometimes, Felos says, he gets nervous or anxious before a hearing.

"If I find that I'm getting nervous or keyed up or off-center, what
I'll do is -- which is a type of meditation -- just focus on my
breathing," he says. "Home in on the sensation of breathing, the
sensation of the air entering the nostrils and exiting the nostrils.
If you do that for 30 seconds, you'll find that you're more relaxed."

If people are truly spiritual, that will permeate all aspects of
their lives, not just during worship, not just at home, but at work
too, Felos says.

"You can't separate your work life from your spiritual life," he
says. "A spiritual seeker has no spiritual focus."

At least one opposing attorney sees little spirituality in Felos. Pat
Anderson, one of the lawyers representing Terri Schiavo's parents,
questions Felos' ethics in fighting to remove the woman's feeding
tube.

Furthermore, Anderson says, "I find him to be uncommonly persnickety
in his diction."

Orthodox beginnings
Raised Greek Orthodox in New York, Felos did not aspire to follow his
father into law. He spent too much time at his father's office,
supposedly on his way to father-son outings but actually waiting for
his dad to finish talking to clients.

"I went to law school because I couldn't think of anything else to do
at the time," Felos says.

After law school -- and his spiritual awakening -- Felos and his
first wife lived on a small Greek island for three months. Each
morning, they would wake up and buy a fresh quart of goat's milk for
9 cents and a 10-cent loaf of steaming hot bread. It was one of the
best times in his life, Felos says.

Then it was back home and back to reality. His family had moved to
the Tampa Bay area, so Felos decided to try for work here. He got an
interview with the Pinellas-Pasco State Attorney's office.

"This is a tough job," Felos remembers the prosecutor telling him
during the interview. "You've got to be hard. You've got to hit! It's
a tough job. Can you do it?"

Having just spent three months living on an island and drinking
goat's milk, Felos looked at the man and said, "You know, I really
don't know."

He didn't get the job and eventually went into civil practice with
his father. The two worked together as Felos & Felos until James G.
Felos died in 1995.

Every morning these days, Felos is 160 pounds of elastic on his
bedroom floor. He does yoga, inspired by a framed portrait of
Paramahansa Yogananda, the founder of spiritual realization. He does
more stretches and takes out a machine that helps with his chi, or
body energy.

The purpose of the morning routine is to be "present in the sensation
of his body."

He takes out a throw pillow and meditates for a half hour before
showering and drinking a concoction of protein powder, banana, orange
juice, yogurt and goat's milk.

Each morning he checks to see if something has grown on the mango
tree and bamboo he planted in the front yard.

Felos visits different places of worship about twice a month, he
says. He has spoken at several, including the Palm Harbor Unity
Church, the Center for Conscious Living and a spiritual awareness
center in Crystal Beach.

He hangs out with friends -- ministers, yoga teachers, but no
lawyers. He bought a Steinway grand piano and plays Beethoven on it.
He invites friends over for chanting -- "I am that I am. I am that I
am." -- while he plays the harmonium.

"He has a good sense of humor, and he has a gentle and kind soul,"
says Debi Chapman, a Palm Harbor yoga instructor who met Felos about
seven years ago at a retreat. "It's just a heartfelt space, a very
spirit-filled connection that George and I have."

Felos' reading material includes Handbook to Higher Consciousness,
God Talks With Arjuna, The Experience of Insight, In the Meantime.

His home looks more hippie-ish than lawyerly -- red couch with big
pillows, multicolored chair in hot tones, mint green carpeting, spry
yellow kitchen and one living room wall painted neon blue.

He spends weekends with his 14-year-old son, Alexander, from his
first marriage. They fish for mullet in St. Joseph Sound, the body of
water that doubles as Felos' back yard. Caladesi and Honeymoon
islands are in the distance.

Felos is in the final stages of a divorce from his second wife.

"If I did relationships as well as I did law," Felos says, "I'd
probably be happily married."

The journey continues
Felos does not mention Schiavo in Law as Spiritual Practice, but says
he wants to start a second book when the case is over. He may talk
about his spiritual journey with Schiavo then. For now, he is
preparing for a hearing before the 2nd District Court of Appeal in
Lakeland on June 25. He thinks the court will agree that her feeding
tube should be removed.

That is what is necessary, he says, "to accomplish what I believe are
Terri's wishes."

Does Felos believe Terri Schiavo's soul has spoken to his?

Felos declines to answer, showing his lawyerly side. "It's a pending
case," he says.


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Note:  Since the link above to this article is not clickable on this
website due to the length of the link above, you can find this
printer friendly article (without pictures of Michael Schiavo's
attorney, George Felos), as well as the article with pictures of
Felos, on

Go to http://google.com and copy and paste or type in these words
exactly like this:

Felos "The spirit and the law"

(with quotes around "The spirit and the law", but not quotes around
Felos)

and you will find the original article from The St. Pete Times website
There is one article with pictures of Felos and the same article
without pictures (a printer-friendly version)

THIS LINK BELOW WILL PROBABLY WORK ON MY SITE:

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(PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO WHAT IS STATED ABOUT "RULE 1.540-B-5")
8-31-04 FL SUPREME CT ORAL ARGUMENTS RE: CONSTITUTIONALITY OF TERRI'S
LAW TRANSRIPT, AUDIO/VIDEO LINKS AS WELL AS TEXT OF TRANSCRIPT
BELOW.

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Subject: FL SUPREME CT. HEARING TRANSCRIPT / VIDEO ON TERRI'S LAW
8-31-04


Transcript:
http://www.wfsu.org/gavel2gavel/transcript/04-925.htm

Real Video:
http://www.wfsu.org/rafiles/archives/04-925.ram


Note to self:
I didn't send the text of the transcript to my list re: Terri. I
sent them the above links instead. I am copying the text of the
transcript now for my own reference. Melissa

The following is a real-time transcript taken as closed captioning
during the oral argument proceedings, and as such, may contain
errors. This service is provided solely for the purpose of assisting
those with disabilities and should be used for no other purpose.
These are not legal documents, and may not be used as legal
authority. This transcript is not an official document of the Florida
Supreme Court.



Jeb Bush v. Michael Schiavo

CHIEF JUSTICE: GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE
FLORIDA SUPREME COURT . THE FIRST CASE THIS MORNING IS BUSH VERSUS
SCHIAVO. ARE THE PARTIES READY ? ALL RIGHT. NOW , I UNDERSTAND THAT
YOU ARE SPLIT BE YOUR TIME , AND YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THE INITIAL
ARGUMENT .

YES, YOUR HONOR.

CHIEF JUSTICE: ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY PROCEED. GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. MY NAME IS ROBERT DESTROW , HERE TO REPRESENT
GOVERNOR BUSH IN THIS CASE AND WITH ME ARE KENNETH CONNOR, WHO WILL
ARGUE IN REBUTTAL AND CAMIELLE GODWIN .

CHIEF JUSTICE: BEFORE YOU GET INTO YOUR ARGUMENT, THE COURT WOULD
APPRECIATE IT IF, IF YOUR ARGUMENT, YOU WOULDADDRESS THE SEPARATION
OF POWERS, FIRST , WITH THE PRIVACY ARGUMENT , AND WITH WHATEVER FREE
TIME YOU HAVE , YOU CAN ARGUE THE OTHER ISSUES.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT. TERRI SCHIAVO DID NOT
HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BENEFIT O F

JUSTICE WELLS : LET'S TRYTO GET INTO THE ARGUMENT ON SEPARATION OF
POWERS. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE GOVERNOR DID
NOT HAVE THE POWER TO ORDER A STAY ON OCTOBER 15 , 2003?

YOUR HONOR , NO , I THINK THE ORDER TO , THE STAY IS BASED ON THE
ACT , YES , YOUR HONOR .

JUSTICE WELLS : SO THE GOVERNOR'S POWER TO ACT ANDENTER A STAY, CAME
SOLELY FROM THE LEGISLATURE.

YES , YOUR HONOR. THE POWER OF PERINS PATRIATE

JUSTICE WELLS : IS THIS SOMETHING UNIQUE TO GIVE THE GOVERNOR THIS
POWER OR COULD THE LEGISLATURE GIVE THE POWER TO YOU?

YES , YOUR HONOR , THE LEGISLATURE HAS GIVEN THEPOWER T O ANY PERSON
IN THESTATE OF FLORIDA, TO RAISETHE QUESTION OF THE RIGHTS OF A
VULNERABLE ADULT IN AN APPROPRIATE COURT, AND THAT IS REALLY , ALL
THIS ACT DOES .

JUSTICE WELLS : I HAVE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION ALONG THIS LINE. NOW ,
THIS LEGISLATION, THEN , THAT DELEGATED THIS POWER, IT DID IT TO
INVOLVE, IN REALITY , A SINGLE CASE , CORRECT?

NO , YOUR HONOR. IT DID NOT .

JUSTICE WELLS : WELL , WHAT OTHER CASES WOULD MEET THE DESCRIPTION OF
SOMEBODY THAT HAD THE COURT ORDER ED , THE WHOLE LINE OF THINGS THAT
ARE IN THIS STATUTE , OTHER THAN THE PETITIONER IN THIS CASE?

WELL , YOUR HONOR , THE STATUTE, ITSELF , IS OPEN ENDED . CERTAINLY
TERRI SCHIAVO FITS WITHIN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATUTE , BUT IT
WOULD B E A QUESTION OF FACT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE OTHER
PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA , AT ANY GIVEN, DURING THE TIME THIS
STATUTE WAS IN EFFECT , IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A QUESTION O F FACT,
AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO COULD FIT THAT DESCRIPTION.THE STATUTE
IS VERY CLEAR ON ITS FACE , THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ADVANCED
DIRECTIVE, THAT THE COURT HAS FOUND THAT , WHEN NUTRITION AND
HYDRATION CAN BE WITHDRAWN, THERE COULD BE ANY NUMBER O F PEOPLE, AND
IT WOULD BE A QUESTION OF FACT AS TO HOW MANY WERE IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA AT THAT TIME .

JUSTICE QUINCE : WOULDN'T THIS HAVE TO FIT INTO THIS 15-DAYTIME
PERIOD? THIS ACT CAME INTO EFFECT ON A PARTICULAR DAY , AND 15 DAYS
LATER , IT IS NO LONGNER EFFECT, ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES , YOUR HONOR , THAT IS TRUE .

JUSTICE QUINCE : SO AS TO WHETHER SCHIAVO IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT
MEETS THE CRITERIA OR SOME OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE STATUTE , IT WOULD
HAVE TO BE WITHIN THAT SHORT, 15-DAYTIME PERIOD, THAT NOT CORRECT,
AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET EACH OF THE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THAT
STATUTE.

YES, YOUR HONOR , IF I CAN JUST ADD, THOUGH, IF THE LEGISLATURE , THE
SEPARATION OF POWERS ISSUE THAT THECOURT IS RIGHTLY CONCERNEDABOUT ,
WOULD ALSO BE THECASE, I F THE LEGISLATURE HAD AMENDED CHAPTER 765
AND PROVIDED THIS AS A PROCEDUREACROSS THE BOARD , WHICH IT COULD DO,
AFTER THIS CASE , WITH MR. CHIEF JUSTICE

WELL , NOW , LET'S WITH .


CHIEF JUSTICE: WELL , NOW , LET'S GET BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE
SEPARATION OF POWERS. ONE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE, WHICH IS IF THIS
IS AN UNLAWFUL DELEGATION OF UNFETTER ED DISCRETION TO THE EXECUTIVE
BRANCH AND THE SECOND ISSUE WE ARE TALKINGABOUT IS WHETHER , IF
APPLIED TO TERRI SCHIAVO, IT IS A JUDICIAL BRANCH 'S FINAL ORDER
GIVING THE GOVERNOR SUPER APPELLATE POWER , SO ON THE UNFETTERED
DISCRETION ISSUE AND GOING BACK TO WHAT JUSTICE WELLS SAYS , ARE
YOUSAYING THIS STATUTE COULD HAVE BEEN SET UP AND GIVENTHE POWER TO
ISSUE THIS ONE-TIME STAY TO ANYBODY, ANY AGENCY IN THE
EXECUTIVEBRANCH?

NO , YOUR HONOR. THE LEGISLATURE GAVE THIS POWER TO THE GOVERNOR,
BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR , HISTORICALLY, STANDS IN THE ROLE OF PARENS
PATRIATE, THE ULTIMATE DEFENDER OF CIVIL RIGHTS IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA , SWORN TO SEE THAT THE LAW IS FAITHFULLY EXECUTED.

CHIEF JUSTICE: SO WITH THAT , THE GOVERNOR WOULD BE THE ONLY PROPER
PERSON THAT THE LEGISLATURE COULD GIVE THIS SUPER APPELLATE POWEROF
REVIEW TO.

I WOULD ARGUE SOMEWHAT WITH YOUR CHARACTERIZATION THAT THIS IS A
SUPER APPELLATE POWER. IN POINT OF FACT , YOUR HONOR, THIS IS THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GOVERNOR TO RAISE THE DUE PROCESS QUESTIONS ON
BEHALF OF TERRI SCHIAVO , THAT THE ALLEGATION HERE IS THAT TERRI
SCHIAVO WAS DENIED DUE PROCESS , IN THE PROCEEDINGS BELOW .

CHIEF JUSTICE: BUT IF THE GOVERNOR HAD TRIED TO INTERVENE IN THE
ONGOING PROCEEDINGS AND RAISED SOME QUESTIONS AS AN INTEREST TED
PARTY , AS T O WHETHER TERRI SCHIAVO 'S DUE PROCESS RIGHTS HAD BEEN
INTERFERED WITH, WE WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.WHAT WE ARE
HERE WITH IS THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THIS LAW I S FACIALLY
UNCONSTITUTIONAL , BY GIVING THE GOVERNOR THE POWER TO ISSUE THIS ONE-
TIME STAY BUT IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO , LIFT THE STAY ATANY
TIME , MAY DO SO , AND MAY REVOKE THE STAY , ALL WITHOUT ANY
STANDARDS .

WELL , YOUR HONOR , THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH THAT
PARTICULAR ARGUMENT , ISTHAT THE , THIS LAW DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE ,
UNLESS IT IS READ IN PARI MATERIA , WITH CHAPTER 765 AND CHAPTER 744.
IN FACT WE WOULD ARGUE THAT , IN POINT OF FACT THAT CONSTITUTIONALLY,
IN ORDER TO GIVE PEOPLE WITH SEVERE DISABILITIES THE RIGHT TO
QUESTION THE ADEQUACY O F THEIR REPRESENTATION BELOW , YOU HAVE TO
READ THESE STATUTES IN PERRY MATERIA.

IT IS IN PARI MATERIA .

JUSTICE CANTERO : IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO B E ADDED TO CHAPTER 765, IS
IT?

NOT ADDED TO CHAPTER 765. IT IS ON ITS FACE .

JUSTICE CANTERO. IS IT ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION?

I THINK AT THIS TIME IT WAS DONE QUICKLY.

JUSTICE CANTERO : DID THE LEGISLATURE AMEND CHAPTER 765 TO ADD A NEW
SECTION , WHICH IS THIS LAW?

I THINK YOU SHOULD READ IT THAT WAY , YES, BUT IT IS NOT ON THE FACE
THOUGH .

JUSTICE CANTERO : I AM ASKING IF THE LEGISLATURE SAID IT WAS AMENDING
CHAPTER 765 OR ANY OTHER NEW CHAPTER , BY EFFECTING THE LEGISLATION.

NO , YOUR HONOR , BUT WHAT IT PROVIDES IS TIED VERY CLEARLY TO 744
AND 765.

JUSTICE CANTERO : IS THERE ANY OTHER CASE BEFORE THIS COURT IN WHICH
WE HAVE READ INTO AN ACT THAT IT AMENDS THE CHAPTER OF THE FLORIDA
LAWS , WHEN IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY SO?

YOUR HONOR , THIS COURT HAS SAID INFERRING YOU SON VERSUS STATE AND
IN OTHER CASES, THAT WHEN THE FACE OF THE STATUTE SHOWS THAT IT IS
CLEARLY RELATED TO OTHERSTATUTES , IT SHOULD BE READ IN PARI MATERIA
WITH THEM. IF IT IS CLEAR ON ITS FACE THAT IT CAN STAND ALONE , AND
OUR ARGUMENT IS THAT IT SIMPLY CANNOT STAND ALONE.

CHIEF JUSTICE: IN TERMSOF THE PURPOSE OF LOOKING AT THIS LAW, AND I
AM AM NOT SURE, WHEN WE GET INTO SEPARATION OF POWERS WHETHER THAT IS
THE RELEVANT INQUIRY , BUT COULD YOU THEN ADDRESS, BECAUSE I KNOW THE
WHOLE ARGUMENT IS THIS IS GIVING THIS PROTECTION. WHAT , WHERE THE 15-
DAY EXPIRATION DATE , IN OTHER WORDS , AN IDEA THAT WE AREGOING TO
PROTECT A WHOLE CLASS OF DISABLED INDIVIDUALS , SEVERELY DISABLED
INDIVIDUALS , WHO ALREADY HAVE BEEN FOUND TO BE IN A PERSISTENT
VEGETATIVE STATE, WHO ALREADY HAVE HAD HYDRATION WITHDRAWN , AND ,
BUT IT ONLY LASTS FOR 15 DAYS?

WELL , YOUR HONOR , GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE , OF WHAT WAS GOING ON,
NOT ONLY IN THIS CASE BUT IN ALL CASES IN WHICH NUTRITION AND
HYDRATION IS WITHDRAWN , THERE IS A TEMPORAL IMPERATIVE THAT THERE BE
AN ACTION BEFORE ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO DUE PROCESS , EQUAL
PROTECTION , AND PRIVACY ARE LOST .

JUSTICE QUINCE : ARE THERE ANY OTHER PLACES IN THEFLORIDA STATUTE,
WHERE THE GOVERNOR HAS THIS KIND OF POWER TO STAY PROCEEDINGS?

WELL , YOUR HONOR , ACTUALLY THE GOVERNOR DOES HAVE THE POWER IN
DEATH CASES, T O STAY PROCEEDINGS .

JUSTICE QUINCE : YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CHAPTER 92322.

YES, THE CLEM CHAPTER 922.

YES, THE CLEMENCY POWER .

JUSTICE QUINCE : AND IN CHAPTER 922 , AREN'T THEIR PROCEDURES THAT
THE GOVERNOR HAS T O ABIDE BY , IF HE ENTERS A A STAY?

YES , YOUR HONOR , AND WE SAY THAT CHAPTER 744 AND 765 PROVIDE THE
STANDARDS , BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR MAKES A DISCRETIONARY FINDING
ABOUTWHETHER OR NOT HE FEELS PROBABLE CAUSE HAS BEEN MADE TO PUT A
STAY I N .

JUSTICE QUINCE : UNDER THIS ACT, WHAT IS THE GOVERNOR REQUIRED TO DO?
AS I READ IT, THE GOVERNOR ISN'T REALLY REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING. THE
STATE COULD STAY INDEFINITELY.

WELL , YOUR HONOR , AGAIN , THAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF READING THIS,
IN LIGHT OF CHAPTER 765 AND CHAPTER 744 , BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR
TAKES , HE GOES AND HE ASKS THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR A GUARDIAN AD
LITEM . THEY WADE FOR THE GUARDIAN AD LITEM TO COME BACK WITH THE
REPORT. HE REPORTS BACK. THIS CASE HAS TO BE SEEN, IN LIGHT OF THE
ONGOING GUARDIANSHIP JURISDICTION OF THE CIRCUIT COURT I AM SORRY.
JUSTICE WELLS.

JUSTICE WELLS : LET ME GETBACK TO , ISN'T THE CARDINAL PRINCIPLE OF
SEPARATION OF POWERS, SET FORTH BY, IN THE UNITED STATES SUPREME
COURT , CASE , THIS BEN THRIFT CASE , WHICH SAYS THAT A LEGISLATURE ,
WITHOUT EXCEEDING ITS PROVINCE, CANNOT REVERSE A DETERMINATION , ONCE
MADE IN A PARTICULAR CASE , THOUGH IT MAY PRESCRIBE A NEW RULE FOR
FUTURE CASES. AND ISN'T WHAT, IN REALITY , WHEN THIS IS ALL BOILED
DOWN TO, THE LEGISLATURE STEPPEDIN HERE AND REVERSED A DECISION THAT
WAS FINAL IN A SPECIFIC CASE?

NO , YOUR HONOR, IT DIDN'T H IN FACT, THE FACE OF THE STATUTE MAKES
IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE LEGISLATURE PROVIDED A RULE , A PROSPECTIVE
RULE O F PROCEDURE, THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE AFTER THE MANDATE WAS
CARRIED OUT. IT DID NOT , LIKE IN PLOAUT , GO BACK AND ISSUE A RULE
THAT WAS IN PLACE. THE MANDATE WAS CARRIED OUT , AND WHAT IT DID WAS
ENACT A PROCEDURAL RULE , THE PROCEDURAL PROS ES WAS GOING PROCESS
THAT WAS GOING FORWARD THAT DID NOTHING TO EMPOWER THE COURT.

CAN WE EXPLORE THE PARAMETERS FOR YOUR ARGUMENT , AND CERTAINLY WE
HAVE GOT A SET OF FACTS THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE, BUT WOULD THE
LEGISLATURE HAVE THE POWER TO DELEGATE TO THE GOVERNOR, THE ABILITY
TO SET ASIDE ANY CIVIL JUDGMENT , ON THE BASIS OF THE GOVERNOR'S
VIEW , THAT DID NOT MEET DUE PROCESS REQUIREMENTS ? A CIVIL MONETARY
DAMAGES , CASES INVOLVING FAMILY LAW , THAT THE JUDGE DID NOT
ADEQUATELY PROTECT THE CHILDREN I N THIS, THE WAY THAT CUSTODY WAS
HANDLED. WOULD YOU EXPLORE FOR US, THE PARAMETERS . I MEAN, WHAT ARE
WE OPENINGUP HERE, IF WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS? HOW BROAD IS THIS
O R HOW NARROW IS IT?

ACTUALLY, YOUR HONOR, I THINK THIS IS A VERY NARROW PRINCIPLE,
BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE IS THE FULL IMPLICATIONS OF THE
BROWNING DECISION, WHERE THIS COURT HELD THAT , AN INCOMPETENT PERSON
HAS THE SAME RIGHTS THAT A COMPETENT PERSON HAS , AND EVENTUALLY THIS
CASE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP , BECAUSE SOMEBODY , AND IF IT IS
NOT GOING TO BE THE GOVERNOR , AND I THINK IT IS A RATIONAL CHOICE
FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO MAKE , TO SAYTHAT THE GOVERNOR CAN STAND IN
THIS PERSON'S SHOES AND ASSURE AND TO RAISE THEQUESTIONS , WAS THERE
ADEQUATE REPRESENTATION IN THE COURT BELOW .

CHIEF JUSTICE: THE ACTDOES NOT EVEN REQUIRE THE GOVERNOR TO TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT THE PATIENT'S WISHES , WHICH YOU WOULD AGREE THAT,WHAT THE
UNDERLYING LITIGATION WAS , THAT WENT OVER A SIX-YEAR PERIOD, WAS TO
DETERMINE WHAT TERRI SCHIAVO 'S WISHES WOULD HAVE BEEN , I F SHE WERE
IN A POSITION TO ASSERT THEM , ATTHE TIME THAT THE FINAL JUDGMENT WAS
ENTERED. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT , THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT IS
IN THE BEST INTEREST OF AN ADULT , BUT WHAT IS , WOULD BE THEIR
WISHES. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

WELL , YOUR HONOR , THE GOVERNOR MR. CHIEF JUSTICE

THAT IS GOVERNOR :

CHIEF JUSTICE: THAT IS WHAT BROWNING SAYS?

YES, YOUR HONOR, THE GOVERNOR IS SWORN TO UPHOLD THIS COURT'S RULING
IN BROWNING AND CHAPTER 765 , AND MUST MAKE SURE THAT TERRI 'S RIGHTS
ARE PROTECTED .

CHIEF JUSTICE: WHERE IS THAT STATED WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LAW
THAT WAS ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE , AND THAT GETS ME BACK TO THE
ISSUE OF UNFETTERED DISCRETION. THERE IS NO STANDARDS NEWYORK CITY
REQUIREMENT THAT STANDARDS BE PROMULGATED . THERE IS NO LENGTH OF
TIME THAT THE STAY REMAINS IN EFFECT , AND ESSENTIALLY , THERE IS NO
INDIVIDUAL OR ENTTY THAT CAN OVERRULE THAT STAY NO INDIVIDUAL OR
ENTITY THAT CAN OVERRULE THAT STAY .

YOUR HONOR , THIS IS WHEREWE WOULD ARGUE THE CONSTITUTIONAL READING O
F PARI MATERIA , WITHIN 765, BECAUSE THAT DOES PROVIDE THE STANDARDS.

CHIEF JUSTICE: BUT 765 IS THE STANDARD THAT WASFOLLOWED, THAT WAS
ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE , THAT WAS NOT AMENDED I N THE LAST
LEGISLATIVE SESSION, IT THAT GIVES A VERY , VERY SUBSTANTIAL
PROCEDURE , WHEN INDIVIDUALS WANT TO CHALLENGE THE DECISION OF A
PROXY. AND THERE HAS BEEN NO ALLEGATION THAT THAT PROCEDURE WAS NOT
SCRUPULOUS LY ADHERED TO IN THE CASE OF TERRI SCHIAVO .

BUT , YOUR HONOR , IN THIS CASE, TERRI SCHIAVO 'S PROXY WAS THE
JUDGE, AND THE DIFFICULTY WITH THE , WITH THAT PROCEDURE , IS THAT
TERRI SCHIAVO IS NOW THE GOVERNOR AND TERRI SCHIAVO , WHO I S
STANDING IN HER SHOES UNDER THE STATUTE, IS FORCED TO LITIGATE
AGAINST THE JUDGE, WHICH THIS COURT SAID IN TW, IN FOOTNOTE THREE, IS
ABSOLUTELY INTOLERABLE , AS A MATTER OF DID DUE PROCESS , SO THAT THE
AS A MATTER OF DUE PROCESS , SO THAT THIS IS REALLY WHERE THOSE
STATUTES FIT TOGETHER . I KNOW I AM INTO M Y REBUTTAL TIME. THANK
YOU , YOUR HONOR .

CHIEF JUSTICE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MR . GOULD .

FELOS .

JUSTICE CANTERO : MR . FELOS, COULD YOU FOLLOW-UPWITH THAT RESPONSE ,
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PROXYAND THE PROXY MAKING THE
DECISION. COULD YOU ADDRESS THE ARGUMENT THAT, IN THIS CASE THE JUDGE
BECAME THE PROXY ?

JUSTICE ANSTEAD : COULD YOU FIRST INTRODUCE YOURSELF , THOUGH, AND
TELL US WHO YOU ARE REPRESENTING. TIME GEORGE FELOS , COUNSEL FOR
MICHAEL SCHIAVO , H ERE THIS MORNING WITH CO-COUNSEL MARSHAL RANDALL,
THE DIRECTOR OF THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION OF FLORIDA AND
ALSO COOPERATING COUNSEL WITH THE FLORIDA ACLU , AND ON BEHALF OF MY
CLIENT, WE DID WANT TO THANK THE COURT FOR ACCEPTING THE BYPASS
CERTIFICATION AND CONSIDERING EXPEDITED CONSIDERATION OF THIS CASE ,
AND IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, IF YOU READ THE
BRIEFS TO INVOKE THIS COURT'S DISCRETIONARY JURISDICTION , IN SCHIAVO
ONE , THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ARGUED. THOSE WERE THE
ARGUMENTS OF TERRI 'S PARENTS, IN SEEKING REVIEW OF THE INITIAL
SCHIAVO ONE DECISION. OR THE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS OF THE WARD AFFECTED
BY THE TRIAL JUDGE HAVING A , IN ESSENCE , ACTING AS A PROXY, AND
OBVIOUSLY THIS COURT DIDN'T THINK SO , THREE YEARSAGO , B Y ELECTING
NOT TO TAKE ITS DISCRETIONARY JURISDICTION, AND I JUST WANT T O
HIGHLIGHT, IN ESSENCE WHAT THE GOVERNOR I S TRYING TO DO IN THIS
CASE , IS RELITIGATE AND FORCE A READJUDICATION O F TERRI SCHIAVO 'S
RIGHTS , WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULLY AND FINALLY LITIGATED IN THE
COURTS OF THE STATE .

CHIEF JUSTICE: THE PROCEDURE THAT WAS FOLLOWED WAS THE PROCEDURE AS
SET FORTH IN BROWNING AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY PUT INTO STATUTORY FORMAT
LIE THE LEGISLATURE , WHICH -FORMAT , BY THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH
ANTICIPATES THAT, IF THEREIS A DISPUTE BETWEEN THE PARTIES THAT, THE
JUDGE WOULD SET FORTH A DECISION, BUT PROSPECTIVELY, THE LEGISLATURE
DETERMINED THAT THERE SHOULD BE A PROCEDURE THAT, SAY , TAKES THE
INITIAL ASPECT OF THIS VERY , VERY PRIVATE DECISION , OUT OF
THECOURT , AND STARTS WITH SOME ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS , AND REQUIRES
THERE BE A GUARDIAN AD LITEM APPOINTED FOR AN INCOMPETENT ADULT.
WOULD YOU SEE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL INFIRMITY IN SUCH AN ACT , AND HOW
DOES THIS, WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US , DIFFER FROM THAT?

YES , YOUR HONOR. I WOULD SEE CONSTITUTIONAL INFIRMITY, FOR A NUMBER
OF REASONS. FIRST OFF , FROM THE ASPECT OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTTO
PRIVACY HERE , THE VIOLATION HERE , IS TAKING FROM THE PATIENT AND
GIVING TO THE STATE , THE POWER TO MAKE MEDICAL TREATMENT CHOICES ,
AND IF YOU ARE CONTEMPLATING A PROCEDURE IN WHICH THE CURRENT FORMAT
OF HAVING A GUARDIAN , A SPOUSE , AN ADULT CHILD , CLOSE FAMILY
MEMBERS , MAKE A DECISION FOR AN INCAPACITATED PATIENT , AND YOU
REMOVE THAT , AND GIVE THAT DECISION-MAKING TO THE STATE , EVEN IF IT
IS IN THE CONTEXT OF A LEGISLATIVE SCHEME, YES , I THINK THERE ARE
PROBLEMS .

CHIEF JUSTICE: BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT WE DO WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
CHILDREN AND FAMILIES? IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE ARE IN A SITUATION
WHERE WE ARE CONCERNED WHETHER THE RIGHTS OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO CANNOT
EXPRESS HIMSELF O R HERSELF, EITHER BY MINORITY OR B Y INCOMPETENCY,
THE IDEA OF HAVING ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
STATE'S INTEREST IN PRESERVING LIFE , IS HONORED , AND THAT IS, THAT
IS THE NORM , WHY WOULDN'T A PROCEDURE LIKE THAT BE APPROPRIATE , AND
ISN'T THAT WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO , MAYBE BE LATEEDLY , IN THIS
SITUATION ?

YOUR HONOR, I WOULD DISAGREE THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO
BE LATELY . IT IS OBVIOUS HERE THAT , THE INTENT OF THE
LEGISLATUREHERE WAS TO OVERTURN A FINAL JUDGMENT OF A COURT OF THIS
STATE THAT THEY WERE PARTICULARLY DISPLEASED WITH, BUT GETTING BACK
TO YOUR QUESTION, YOUR HONOR , A GUARDIAN IS ALREADY APPOINTED UNDER
CHAPTER 765 , AND WHEN YOU ASK , IF YOU ASKCAN WE TAKE AN
ADMINISTRATIVE , AN ADMINISTRATION OF A PATIENT'S
CONSTITUTIONALRIGHTS OR DISPUTE AND TAKE IT OUT OF THE COURT SYSTEM
INTO ANOTHER FORUM , I GUESSI WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF FORUM
THERE IS AND WHO THE DECISION-MAKER IS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO
REMEMBER THESE ARE INTENSELY PERSONAL AND PRIVATE RIGHTS WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT HERE .

JUSTICE WELLS : LET ME ASKYOU , YOUR OPPONENTS MAKE THE POINT THAT WE
ARE NOT REALLY , THOUGH, TALKING ABOUT A JUDGMENT WHICH WAS FINAL ,
SINCE THIS ISSUE IN THIS GUARDIANSHIP , IS NOT FINAL, AS LONG AS MS.
SCHIAVO IS STILL ALIVE. NOW , WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER TO THAT , THAT THIS
IS ALWAYS A PROSPECTIVE TYPE OF SITUATION?

YOUR HONOR , THIS IS A FINAL JUDGMENT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. NUMBER
ONE , IT WAS A FINAL STATEMENT OR FINAL WORD OF THE COURT SYSTEM OF
THE STATE OF FLORIDA . IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE COURT OF APPEAL
MANY TIMES , AS A FINAL JUDGMENT . ALSO APPEALED AS A FINAL JUDGMENT.
BUT THE FACT , YOUR HONOR , THAT UNDER OUR SYSTEM O F JUSTICE UNDER
THE RULES OF PROCEDURE , A FINAL JUDGMENT CAN BE VACATED UNDER
CERTAINGROUNDS AND THIS GROUND AND THE PURPORTED GROUNDS HERE IS RULE
1.540-B-5 , THE FACT THAT A FINAL JUDGMENT COULD BE VACATED IN THE
FUTURE , DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS FINAL FOR SEPARATION OF POWERS. TO
FOLLOW THAT LOGIC, YOURHONOR , EVERY CIVIL JUDGMENT IN THIS STATE
WOULD NO LONGER BE FINAL AND SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE RESCINDMENT ,
BECAUSE IT COULD BE VACATED , POTENTIALLY VACATED UNDER RULE 1.540-B-
5.

DID THE GOVERNOR FILE A MOTION

JUSTICE CANTERO : COULD THE GOVERNOR FILE A MOTION UNDER RULE 1.540
RIGHT NOW , SAYING THE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED OR THERE IS
NEWEVIDENCE?

YOUR HONOR , I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I BELIEVE THAT 1.540-B-5 , IS
CONCERNED AND PERTAINS TO PARTIES IN THE CASE , BUT I , ALSO , DID ,
BECAUSE IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT AS TO WHETHER THIS IS A FINAL
JUDGMENT, BECAUSE THAT TRIGGERS THE SEPARATION OF POWERS ANALYSIS ,
YOUR HONOR , YOUR HONOR BROUGHT UP THE ANALOGY OF A CHILD CUSTODY
CASE. IT IS VERY TRUE THAT, IN A FAMILY LAW SITUATION , WHEN A JUDGE
AWARDS A CUSTODY OF A MINOR CHILD TO ONE PARENT , THAT BECOMES A
FINAL JUDGMENT . IT CAN BE APPEALED , BUT THE TRIAL COURT OR THE
FAMILY LAW COURT RETAINS JURISDICTION OVER THAT CASE , OVER THAT
CHILD , UNTIL THE CHILD REACHES EMANCIPATION , AND UNDER THAT
THEORY , BECAUSE THE TRIAL COURT COULD ADDRESS THE CUSTODY ISSUE AT
SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE , IF WE ARE SAYING THAT IS NOT A FINAL
JUDGMENT , THEN THE SEPARATION OF POWERS PROTECTION, THE FIREWALL OF
SEPARATION OF POWERS, IS ERADICATED IN FAMILY LAW CASES, AND THAT IS
CERTAINLY NOT THE LAW OF THIS STATE .

JUSTICE CANTERO : CAN YOU ADDRESS THE GOVERNOR'S ARGUMENT OR
COUNTERARGUMENT TO THAT , THAT HE IS NOT BOUND BY THAT , IF IT IS A
JUDGMENT, HE IS NOT BOUND BY THAT JUDGMENT BECAUSE HE WASN'T A PARTY
TO THAT PROCEEDING AND THEREFORE COLLATERAL ESTOPPEL OR RACE JUDICATA
PRINCIPLES DO NOT HAVE TO APPLY TO HIM .

IT I S A RED HERRING , YOUR HONOR , BECAUSE THE FACT THAT HE WAS NOT
A PARTY TO THE JUDGMENT, DOES NOT ALTER THEFACT THAT THE JUDGMENT WAS
ENTERED, AND IF WE FOLLOW THAT LOGIC , WELL , THE GOVERNOR FOR
SEPARATION OR THE LEGISLATURE CAN RESCIND JUDICIAL JUDGMENTS , TO
WHICH THE LEGISLATURE O R GOVERNOR WERE NOT A PARTY, WELL , THEN, THE
VAST MAJORITY OF JUDGMENTS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE
RESCINDMENT .

JUSTICE QUINCE : IF THEGOVERNOR CANNOT INTERVENE , BASED O N RULE
1.540 , ISTHERE ANY PROCEDURE WOULDWHICH THE GOVERNOR COULD, IN FACT,
HAVE INTERVENED IN THIS PROCEEDING?

I DON'T BELIEVE SO, YOUR HONOR , BUT THE STATE'S INTERESTS ARE
PROTECTED IN THESE CASES. IF YOU READ BROWNING , IF YOU READ THE
DUBRIEL DECISION , THE ONES DECISION , THIS COURT WAS VERY CLEAR T O
SAYAND IT AROSE IN THE CONTEXTOF A HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. IF A HEALTH
CARE PROVIDER DISAGREES WITH THE PATIENT'S MEDICAL TREATMENT CHOICE ,
DO THEY HAVE STANDING TO CONTEST IT IN COURT? THIS COURT SAID NO,
WHAT THEHEALTH CARE PROVIDER WOULD HAVE TO DO IS GO TO THE STATE
ATTORNEY AND GIVE THIS INFORMATION TO THE STATEATTORNEY, AND IT WOULD
B E UP TO THE STATE ATTORNEY TO DECIDE WHETHER T O INTERVENEIN A
PARTICULAR CASE. SO IT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THE STATE'S INTERESTS IN
PRESERVING LIFE OR WHATEVER INTERESTS THEY MIGHT ASSERT, CANNOT BE
ADDRESSED, BUT NOTBY THE GOVERNOR .

JUSTICE CANTERO : CAN I ASK A QUESTION , IN THE SECOND DCA'S OPINION
OF JULY '01 , IT REFERS SPECIFICALLY TO THE ORDER IN THE TERMS OF A
MANDATORY INJUNCTION AND NOT AS A FINAL JUDGMENT, ANDIT SAYS UNTIL
THE LIFE PROLONGING PROCEDURES ARE DISCONTINUED, SUCH AN ORDER IS
ENTIRELY EXECUTOR I AND AWARDED T O THE GUARDIAN TO BE UNDER THE
JURISDICTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE GUARD JAN SHIP GUARDIANSHIP
COURT , AND IT I S SUBJECT TO RECALL. ADDRESS THAT IN FINALITY .

YOUR HONOR , IN THE SECOND DISTRICT OPINION, IT SPECIFICALLY REFERS
TO THE ORDER OF THE GUARDIANSHIP AS A FINAL ORDER , AND THE SECOND
DISTRICT ALSO SAID THE PROCEDURE BY WHICH THAT ORDER COULD BE
REOPENED , IS THE 1.540-B-5 PROCEDURE, AND I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY
EXTRAORDINARY FOR THE GOVERNOR TO ARGUE THAT THE LEGISLATURE , IN 18
HOURS AND THE GOVERNOR IN A MATTER OF HOURS , SOMEHOW POSESSES SOME
INHERENT WISDOM IN , REGARDING THE MATTERS OF TERRI SCHIAVO , THAT
COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ASCERTAINED BY THE JUSTICES OF THIS STATE IN OVER
A SIX -YEAR PERIOD , AND

JUSTICE WELLS : LET'S APPROACH THAT.ARE YOU SUGGESTING

JUSTICE LEWIS : LET'S ADDRESS THAT . WE HAVE NUMEROUS CHILDREN IN
THIS STATE THAT CANNOT MAKE DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES. ARE YOU
SUGGESTING THAT THE LEGISLATURE CANNOT COME IN AND PLACE SAFEGUARDS
TO PROTECT THE WELL-BEING AND THE VIRTUAL LIFE OF THESE DISABLED
CHILDREN?

ABSOLUTELY NOT, BUT TERRI SCHIAVO , TERRI SCHIAVO WAS A COMPETENT
ADULT, WHO EXPRESSED MEDICAL TREATMENT CHOICES .

JUSTICE LEWIS : YOU ARE GOING INTO PROCEDURE. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT
THE LEGISLATURE COULD NOT PROHIBIT THIS KIND OF PROCEDURE , THAT YOU
MUST HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING , YOU MUST HAVE A PROCEDURE OTHER THAN
SOMEONE'S FRIEND COMING IN AND EXPRESSING WHAT THIS EVENING THE
PERSON WANTS? WE DIDN'T HAVE THE TESTIMONYOF MS. SCHIAVO IN THIS
CASE , DID WE? IT WAS ALL TESTIMONY OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

JUSTICE LEWIS : AND THAT WOULD NOT ALWAYS BE THE CASE , WOULD IT
NOT , WITH INCOMPETENCE OF DISABLED CHILDREN IN THIS STATE?

YOUR HONOR, IF THE LEGISLATURE AMENDED CHAPTER 765 AND SAID WE ARE
NOT GOING TO PERMIT REMOVAL OF ARTIFICIAL LIFE-SUPPORT , UNLESS
SOMEBODY HAS A WRITTEN ADVANCE DIRECTIVE, NO, THAT LAW WOULD BE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BECAUSE THIS COURT HAS DECLARED, IN THE BROWNING
CASE THAT , IN ORDER T O , IN ORDER TO RECOGNIZE AND IMPLEMENT AN
INDIVIDUAL 'S RIGHT OF PRIVACY , ORAL DECLARATIONS ARE SUFFICIENT TO
ESTABLISH, AS LONG AS THEY ARE BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE, THE
INTENT O F THE PATIENT, SO SUCH A LEGISLATIVE ENACTMENT IN THAT
CASE , IN MY OPINION WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL .

JUSTICE LEWIS : SO YOUR ARGUMENT IS THE LEGISLATURE WOULD ACT
CONTRARY TO THE WAY A JUDICIAL SYSTEM HAS INTERPRETED A PRIVACY
RIGHT. THAT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL BASIS OF YOUR ARGUMENT THEN.

I WOULD SAY , YOUR HONOR , THAT THE BROWNING CASE PROVIDES THE
MINIMUM RIGHT OF PRIVACY THAT A PATIENT IS ENTITLED TO. AND THE
LEGISLATURE MAY CERTAINLY LEGISLATE I N THE FIELD , TO PROTECT THE
PUBLIC AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT OF PRIVACY IS HE HAVE HE CAN
WAITED , BUT IS EFFECTUATE!!ED , BUT THEY CAN'T FALL BELOW THAT
MINIMUM.

CHIEF JUSTICE: IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE SUPREME COURT AND THE JURY DID
IN THE CRUSE CASE, THEY DECIDED THAT THE TESTIMONY OF A NEIGHBOR WAS
NOT CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE OF THE PERSON'S WISHES , SO I
MEAN , IF WE ARE , AND PROBABLY WE MAY BE GETTING A LITTLE FAR AFIELD
OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IN THIS CASE , BUT , BECAUSE THE ISSUE
ISN'T WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE COULD ENACT SOMETHING MUCH MORE
COMPREHENSIVE , TO BETTER ADDRESS THIS TYPE OF SITUATION, WHICH IS ,
YOU KNOW , TRAGIC FOR EVERYBODY, SO COULD YOU GET BACK TO THE ISSUE
ON , WITH THE SEPARATION O F POWERS , COULD THE LEGISLATURE, IF THIS
WASN'T TERRI SCHIAVO , WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE FACIAL CHALLENGE ,
WHAT IS WRONG WITH WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID, IN THIS CASE , AS FAR AS
GIVING THIS POWER TO STAY FOR ONE TIME , THE WITHHOLDING O F
HYDRATION , ON A ONE-TIME BASIS?

ASIDE FROM THE INTRUSION INTO THE JUDICIARY , WHICH IS THE SEPARATION
OF POWERS VIOLATION , AS APPLIED TO TERRI SCHIAVO .

CHIEF JUSTICE: THE APPLIED CHALLENGE.

AS A FACIAL CHALLENGE , THERE ARE TWO, THE IMPERMISSIBLE LEGISLATIVE
DELEGATION , AS YOUR HONOR MENTIONED. THERE ARE NO STANDARDS. NOW ,
THE TEST FOR IMPERMISSIBLE DELEGATION OF LEGISLATION IS THIS,
COULDTHE COURT, IN REVIEWING A DECISION , BE ABLE TO ASCERTAIN
WHETHER THE DECISION-MAKER ACTED WITH INDISCRETION OR ABUSED
DISCRETION AND THAT STATUTEFAILS IN THIS WAY, IF THERE WERE JUDICIAL
REVIEW PERMITTED , AND OF COURSE THERE IS NO JUDICIAL REVIEW SO THAT
COULD NEVER OCCUR IN THIS CASE, BUT IF THERE WERE JUDICIAL REVIEW,
HOW WOULD WE EVER KNOW, HOW COULD W E EVEN BEGIN TO MAKE THAT
DETERMINATION , WHEN WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE BASIS FORTHE
GOVERNOR'S DECISION IS , BECAUSE HE IS NOT REQUIRED UNDER THIS ACT,
TO TELL US THE BASIS O F HIS DECISION .

JUSTICE CANTERO : WELL , CAN YOU ADDRESS THE GOVERNOR'S ARGUMENTS,
YOUR COUNSEL 'S ARGUMENTS , THATYOU HAVE TO READ THIS ACT IN
CONJUNCTION WITH PARI MATERIA WITH THE ACT IN 765 AND 744 AND THOSE
PROVIDE THE GUIDELINES.

THAT DOCTRINE , YOUR HONOR , ONLY PERTAINS TO SITUATIONS WHERE THERE
IS AMBIGUITY IN THE STATUTE. THIS COURT HELD, IN HOLLY VERSUS ALD ,
THAT VERSUS AULD THAT, IF THERE IS NO FACIAL AMBIGUITY IN THE
STATUTE, THAT THIS COURT CAN'T RESORT TO THAT TYPE OF STATUTORY
INTERPRETATION, SO THAT DOCTRINE DOESN'T APPLYHERE. WE ARE NOT
TALKING ABOUT A N AMBIGUOUS STATUTE THIS. STATUTE IS CRYSTAL
CLEARWHAT IT DOES. IT GIVES THE GOVERNOR UNFETTERED AND ABSOLUTE
AUTHORITY , AND , BUT T O FOLLOW THAT , EVEN IF THERE WERE, EVEN IF
THE GOVERNOR DID TELL US OR COULD B E COMPELLED TO TELL US WHAT THE
BASIS OF HIS DECISION WAS , THERE IS NO STANDARDS TO APPLY. HOW DO WE
KNOW WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE WANTED THE GOVERNOR TO CONSIDER THE COST
BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR PROVIDING MEDICAL TREATMENT? HOW DO WE KNOW
WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE WANTED THE GOVERNOR TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
FAMILY WISHES, RATHER THAN THE WISHES OF THE PATIENT. HOW ARE WE T O
KNOW WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE WANTED THE GOVERNOR TO ACT IN THE BEST
INTEREST OF THE PATIENT , AS OPPOSED TO DETERMINING THE SUBJECTIVE
INTENT OF THE PATIENT .

JUSTICE QUINCE : BASED O N THIS STATUTE, CAN ANYONE LIFT THIS STAY?
CAN THIS STAY B E LIFTED?

NO ONE STANDING HERE.

CHIEF JUSTICE: WAS THERE ANY ATTEMPT TO DO THAT IN THE PROCEEDINGS
BELOW? TO HAVE THE STAY LIFTED, O R WAS IT ONLY AN ATTACK ON THE
CONSTITUTIONALITY ?

ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY , YOUR HONOR. YOUR HONOR , I DON'T BELIEVE
THE STATUTE PROVIDES ANY MECHANISM, TO HAVE THE GOVERNOR'S DECISION
REVIEWED .

JUSTICE QUINCE : SO WHAT IS THE POINT, THEN , O F THAT PART OF THE
ACT WHICH SAYS THAT YOU, THEN , APPOINT INTA GUARDIAN , WHO APPOINT A
GUARDIAN, WHO REPORTS O R MAKES RECOMMENDATION TO SAY THE GOVERNOR
AND THE COURT?

I BELIEVE THE STATUTE SAYS IT MAKES RECOMMENDATION TO SAY THE
GOVERNOR. IN TERMS OF POWER AND AUTHORITY , THERE IS NO POINT. WE
DON'T KNOW , WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE GOVERNOR READ THE REPORT OR
DIDN'T READ THE REPORT OR , IF HE DID READ THE REPORT , TOOK IT INTO
CONSIDERATION OR YOUKNOW, PICKED IT UP AND TOSSED IT AWAY . SO AS FAR
AS THE STATUTE , ITSELF, IT CHANGES NOTHING AS TO THE IMPERMISSIBLE
DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY. BUT I, ALSO, SINCE I ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES
LIFT LEFT , YOUR HONOR , WANT TWOMINUTES LEFT, YOUR HONOR , WANTED TO
ADDRESS THE FACIAL UNCONSTITUTIONALITY , REGARDING THE RIGHT OF
PRIVACY. AND I TOUCHED ON THIS BEFORE. THE ESSENTIAL ISSUE HERE , IS
WHO IS ENTITLED TO MAKE ADECISION ON A MATTER SO PERSONAL AND PRIVATE
AS WHETHER ONE WOULD WANT ARTIFICIAL LIFE-SUPPORT? DOES THAT POWER
CONSTITUTIONALLY , RESIDE WITH THE PATIENT, OR DOES THAT POWER RESIDE
WITH THE STATE ?

JUSTICE CANTERO : DO YOU AGREE THAT, IF WE HOLD THAT THE STATUTE IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AS A VIOLATION OF SEPARATION POUF POWERS OR AT O F
SEPARATION OF POWERS OR AT LEAST AS APPLIED TO TERRI SCHIAVO, IT IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IT IS NOT GOING TO APPLY TO ANYBODY ELSE, SO BY
HOLDING UNCONSTITUTIONALLY AS IT IS APPLIED , WE ARE REALLY HOLDING
IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL FACIALLY AS WELL , PRACTICALLY SPEAKING. IT IS
NOT GOING TO APPLY TO ANYBODY ELSE, IS IT?

IT IS NOT GOING TO APPLY TO ANOTHER CASE , BUT WE WOULD ASK THIS
COURT SPECIFICALLY TO FIND THAT IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS APPLIED TO
TERRI SCHIAVO , BECAUSE IT IS A UNLAWFUL INTRUSION INTO JUDICIAL
POWER, FOR THIS REASON, IF THIS COURT ONLY FOUND THE STATUTE FACIAL
LY UNCONSTITUTIONAL, LET'S SAY , FOR IMPROPER DELEGATION OF
LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY , WE DON'T WANT , AND THOSE NOT T O ADDRESS THE
AS-APPLIED SEPARATION OF POWER ARGUMENT , WE DON'T WANT TO BE HERE A
YEAR FROM NOW , ARGUING THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OR UNCONSTITUTIONALITY
O F TERRI 'S LAW TWO. THIS YOUNG WOMAN HAS A RIGHTTO HAVE HER FINAL
ADJUDICATION HONORED BY THE COURTS OF FLORIDA. THIS UNLAWFUL
INTRUSION INTO THAT RIGHT , SHOULD BE OVERTURNED AND DEFINTIVELY
OVERTURNED, S O HER RIGHT TO PRIVACY CAN BE EFFECTED. THANK YOU.

CHIEF JUSTICE: THANK YOU .

MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT. I AM KEN CONNOR WITH THE FIRM OF WILKES AND
McCUE , AND I , ALONG WITH PROFESSOR DECEMBER STRO DESTROWWITH THE
GOVERNOR , APPEAR WITHIN THIS ACTION .

JUSTICE LEWIS : THE CLASSIFICATION APPLIES TO ONLY ONE PERSON?

JUDGE , THE FACT THAT IT PLAY MAYE APPLY TO ONLY ONE PERSON DOESN'T
MAKE IT A SPECIAL ACT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POTENTIAL PEOPLE WHO
COULD FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE ACT, IF THEY MEET THE CRITERIA,
THAT IS THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ADVANCED WRITTEN DIRECTIVE , THEY HAVE
BEEN DEEMED TO BE IN A PERSISTENT VEGETATIVE STATE , NUTRITION AND
HYDRATION ARE BEING WITHHELD AND THE FAMILY HAS A CHALLENGE. IF THEY
MEET THIS CRITERIA , THEY - -

JUSTICE WELLS : THE COURT HAS FOUND THE PATIENT TO BE IN A PERSISTENT
VEGETATIVE STATE , AND THE PATIENT'SFAMILY HAS CHALLENGED THE
WITHHOLDING OF HYDRATION ANNUITY RIGS. YOU ARE NOT ASKING US TOREALLY
HOLD THAT THIS ACT DOESN'T PERTAIN JUST TO TERRI SCHIAVO .

BY THE FACE OF IT, YOUR HONOR, IT DOES APPLY TO MORE THAN JUST
TERRI . TERRI SCHIAVO'S CASE WAS THE TRIGGERING EVENT FOR IT. WE SEE
THAT ALL OF THE TIME,IN THE LEGISLATURE.

JUSTICE WELLS : WE WOULD HAVE TO IGNORE REALITY TO DO THAT , WOULDN'T
W E NOT?

THE FACT , JUDGE, THAT WE HAVE MAY GO AND'S LAW , THE FACT THAT WE
HAVE SPECIFIC SITUATIONS INVOLVING PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS THAT
TRIGGER THE NEED FOR LEGISLATIVE RELIEF .

JUSTICE WELLS : BUT THESE DON'T INVOLVE PARTICULAR CASES FOR RELIEF.
THAT IS WHERE I AM HAVING TROUBLE WITH THIS ACT. WHEN I READ THIS
ACT , OBJECTIVELY, I CANNOT COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT DOESN'T
PERTAIN TO THIS SINGLE CASE THAT HAS BEEN IN LITIGATION FOR A
DECADE , AND THAT WHAT IS GOING O N HERE , IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE
SETABOUT TO SET ASIDE WHAT THE FINAL JUDGMENT OF THE COURT PERTAINING
TO THAT CASE!

WITHOUT A DOUBT , YOURHONOR , IT DOES APPLY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE,
TO TERRI SCHIAVO , BECAUSE SHE MET THE CRITERIA. THERE ARE OTHERS
WHO , LIKEWISE, COULD MEET THE CRIES EAR YEAH. CRITERIA. IT DOES
NOT , I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT , INVOLVE A FINAL REVERSAL OF A JUDGMENT
OF A CIRCUIT COURT , PRECISELY FOR THE REASONS INDICATED BY JUDGE
BELL IN SCHIAVO TWO, WHERE THE COURT MADE THE POINT THAT THESE ORDERS
ARE ENTIRELY EXECUTOR I , AS LONG AS THE - - EXECTORY, AS LONG AS THE
WARD IS ALIVE THEORD ZR SUBJECT T O RECALL AND IS EXECUTIVE IN
NATURE. THE MANDATE OF THE ORDER HADBEEN COMPLIED WITH. THE ORDER WAS
NOT THAT TERRI SCHIAVO SHOULD HAVE NUTRITION AND HYDRATION WITHDRAWN
UNTIL SHE WASDEAD. IT WASN'T LIKE AN ORDER THAT SAID SO-AND-SO SHOULD
B E HANGED BY THE NECK UNTIL SHE IS DEAD.

CHIEF JUSTICE: THE COURT WENT ON AND SPECIFICALLY SAID, BECAUSE THEY
UNDERSTOOD THAT THE CHALLENGE WAS BEING RAISED MORE THAN ONE YEAR
AFTER , AND THEY WERE REALLY TRYING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
SCHINDLERS HAD SOME OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THIS NEW CLAIM THAT THERE
MIGHT BE SOME NEW LIFE-SAVING TREATMENT, AND WHAT THECOURT, THEN ,
SAID, IS WE CAUTION , HOWEVER, THAT ANY PROCEEDING TO A CHALLENGE O F
A FINAL ORDER ON THIS BASIS , IS EXTRAORDINARY AND SHOULD NOT BE
FILED MERELY TO DELAY AN ORDER WITH WHICH AN INTEREST TED PARTY
DISAGREES OR TO RETRY AN ADVERSARY PROCEEDING, AND THE MECHANISM THEY
SET UP WAS RULE 1.540-B-5, WHICH IS FOR CHALLENGES TO FINAL
JUDGMENTS , SO WE MUST , YOU KNOW, TO TAKE ONE LINE OUT OF A ONE
OPINION THAT , AND THERE IS A SERIES OF FOUR OPINIONS, REALLY, IS NOT
THECORRECT WAY TO LOOK AT THIS.

WELL , YOUR HONOR , UNQUESTIONABLY, THIS LANGUAGE AROSE IN THE
CONTEXT O F 1.540 CHALLENGE , BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT THAT IS
THE NATURE OF GUARDIANSHIP ORDERS. THEY ARE EXECTORY, UNTIL THE
DISABILITY IS REMOVED .

CHIEF JUSTICE: SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE FOR THEY ARE REVIEWED AS
NONFINAL ORDERS, AND ANY INTERESTED PARTY , YEAR AFTER YEAR , CAN
COME IN AND MAKE CHALLENGES?

NO, MA'AM. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THE COURTS DO NOT POSSESS THE
EXCLUSIVE DOMAIN TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF DISABLED PEOPLE AND TO
ENSURE THAT THEIR HEALTH CARE CHOICES ARE RESPECTED AND PROTECTED ,
THAT THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE LEGISLATURE.THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE
GOVERNOR.

CHIEF JUSTICE: ARE WE IGNORING IN THIS LAW, WHICH AGAIN , DIDN'T
BECOME A PART OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE CHAPTER LAW IN THE SESSION THAT
SUCCEEDED THE LAW , WAS A 15-DAY SUNSET. IT APPLIED TO WHOEVER WAS I
N THIS SITUATION FOR 15 DAYS , AND THEN THIS GREAT PROTECTION THAT
THE LEGISLATURE WANTED TO GIVE , EXPIRED , AND HAS NOT BEEN RENEWED .

YOUR HONOR , THAT DEMONSTRATES, I THINK , HOW THIS LAW IN FACT, WAS
NARROWLY TAILORED. THE LEGISLATURE WANTED TO SEE HOW IT WORKED. THEY
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TWEAK IT. MY TIME IS UP, YOUR HONORS. I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COURT RECOGNIZETHAT THERE IS A ROLE FOR
THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR IN PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF THE
DISABLED , AND ENSURE !!ING THAT THEIR HEALTH CARE DECISIONS ARE
RESPECTED AND PROTECTED.THANK YOU.

CHIEF JUSTICE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES THE ARGUMENTS. THE
COURT WILL TAKE A SHORT RECESS, BEFORE CALLING THE NEXT CASE , AND WE
WOULD ASK , OUT OF DEFERENCE TO THE PARTIES, THAT, BEFORE THE REST OF
THE COURTROOM MOUNTAINS, THAT THE ATTORNEYS AND THE - - COURTROOM I S
EMPTIED , THAT THE ATTORNEYS AND PARTIES BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE
COURTROOM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

----- Original Message -----
From: melissa roxanne
To: Gordon W Watts ; Jackie@... ; Joe and Margaret
Juneman ; Linda Kennedy ; Lisa Ruby ; Mary from fla ; Kate Adamson ;
Ron Panzer ; tips@... ; Paul prisonplanetcom
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: FL SUPREME CT. HEARING TRANSCRIPT / VIDEO ON TERRI'S LAW 8-
31-04


Transcript:
http://www.wfsu.org/gavel2gavel/transcript/04-925.htm

Real Video:
http://www.wfsu.org/rafiles/archives/04-925.ram

I was on Jackie Patru's online, shortwave, and satellite broadcast on
Monday, 9-27-04, Tuesday, 9-28-04, and will be on again tonight,
Wednesday, 9-29-04.  I will be talking about new info. and much
more.  This new info. could perhaps save Terri's life if we could get
enough publicity about it.  Terri has a treatable medical condition
called Hydrocephalus, which can be caused by trauma to the head
(causedby Michael Schiavo on Feb. 25, 1990)!  If there is treatment
for Terri that could help her, there is something called
Rule 1.540-B-5 that was brought up in the FL Supreme Ct. Oral
Arguments on 8-31-04 that may get Terri a new trial if we can get
publicity about this!

I will be posting info. here regarding all of this asap!  Please
check back!


http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/

Melissa Roxanne Stanley will be on Jackie Patru's Sweet Liberty radio
broadcast Wednesday, 9/29/04 at 9:00 pm EDT.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/audio/

SCROLL DOWN TO LISTEN LIVE AND CLICK ON EAR


Scroll down to Listen Live! New Bombshell information to save Terri's
life: Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus: Probably Due to Head Injury

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

Transcript of Larry King Live Mon. 9/27/04 Bob & Mary Schindler
(Terri's Parents) &  Attny David C. Gibbs III

I will try to add my comments to this transcript in a future post as
soon as I can get to it.

If this gets cut off due to the length, look for the next part on my
next post.

SaveTerrisLife (Melissa Roxanne)


http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/27/lkl.00.html

Transcript of Larry King Live Mon. 9/27/04 Bob & Mary Schindler
(Terri's Parents) &  Attny David C. Gibbs III

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler

Aired September 27, 2004 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND
MAY BE UPDATED.


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, exclusive. In their first live interview
together since the Florida Supreme Court struck down the law keeping
their brain-damaged daughter alive, Terri Schiavo's parents, Mary and
Robert Schindler, speak out, on their life and death battle with
their son-in-law over the fate of their own flesh and blood. An
intense, emotional hour. Mary and Robert Schindler, exclusive, and
next on LARRY KING LIVE.
Get you up to date -- joining us, by the way, is David Gibbs. He's
also based in St. Petersburg, the attorney for the Schindlers. All
three flew out to be with us in Los Angeles.

Last week, the Florida Supreme Court unanimously, unanimously struck
down the state law that empowered Governor Jeb Bush to order Terri
Schiavo's feeding tube reinserted. Terri's feeding tube had been
removed at the behest of her husband. The GOP-controlled Florida
legislature then met in emergency session, passed a special law, and
it was that law that the Florida Supreme Court overturned.

Terri Schiavo, then age 26, collapsed at home on February 25, 14
years ago, 1990, when her heart temporarily stopped beating. A
temporary cut-off of oxygen to her brain left her brain damaged. She
is now 40 years old, and currently being cared for in a hospice.

On Thursday, there will be a hearing on the Schindlers' motion
challenging Michael's guardianship of Terri, and seeking to uphold
her religious liberty rights. By the way, Michael was with us on this
program October 27 of last year, and on some of the breaks you'll see
certain clips.

Where is the case right now, David?

DAVID GIBBS, SCHINDLERS' ATTORNEY: Thursday, we're going to go before
the judge, Larry, and we're going to ask for Terri's constitutional,
First Amendment rights to be protected. Very interestingly, after the
governor and the legislature passed what became known as Terri's Law,
the pope addressed this issue, speaking for Roman Catholics
nationwide, and said that withholding of food and water is not an
extraordinary medical act, and as good, practicing Catholic it would
be imperative that that be given as a natural course of taking care
of people. We're going to be before the court on Thursday asking the
judge to uphold not just Terri's religious liberty rights, but really
the religious liberty rights of all people.

KING: So this is a change from the law that they struck down? GIBBS:
A huge change. The law they struck down was where the governor
stepped in and he said through the legislature, I will be Terri's
guardian. And what the Florida Supreme Court said is, no, we believe
the courts have already looked at this, and on separation of powers
grounds struck they struck down Terri's Law.

KING: So you are now going this other route.

GIBBS: Yes, sir.

KING: How did you hear, Robert, about the Supreme Court's decision?
Where were you?

ROBERT SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S FATHER: I was home, and Mary was
working at the time. And our attorney -- another attorney called me
and advised me.

KING: Were you shocked?

R. SCHINDLER: Well, I was not shocked. And I had a somewhat of a sick
feeling in my stomach. I made the analogy would be like Barry Bonds
hitting a 500-foot home run in dead center field, and the umpire
calling it a foul ball. So that's how I felt.

KING: Do you think you have a good chance on Thursday with this new
idea, new motion?

R. SCHINDLER: I would hope so. I think we have very professional
attorneys, and they're putting a lot of time and effort into this.

KING: Mary, why do you want to keep Terri alive?

MARY SCHINDLER, MOTHER OF TERRI SCHIAVO: Why do I want to keep Terri
alive?

KING: In the condition, you know, we've seen her in, which she's been
in for all these years?

M. SCHINDLER: But Terri is not in the condition that they portray
her. Terri is a -- she's a happy, healthy -- I mean, she's healthy.
She's brain damaged, but she's healthy.

KING: She doesn't communicate, does she?

M. SCHINDLER: Yes, she does.

KING: How?

M. SCHINDLER: She tries very hard to talk to me. She tries. There's a
therapist, a speech therapist in Chicago that said that Terri, her
tapes of Terri that we took tapes, she's talking, but she just needs
some help with her vocal chords to get them, you know, where she can
form words.

KING: If all that's true, David, why not, if she can -- trying to
form words, if she appears happy, what's the problem?

GIBBS: What the problem is in this case is, Terri's husband, Michael,
is her guardian. And he has gone and gotten doctors to say that she's
in this persistent vegetative state, which in they're opinion means
that therapy is not going to help her. She's not brain dead, Larry.
It's very important to understand that distinction. A lot of people
get the idea that she's on a respirator, a ventilator. She's being
kept alive by machines.

KING: She's not.

GIBBS: Absolutely not. She's a totally...

KING: With brain dead, you'd probably favor letting someone go.

GIBBS: You could certainly argue that that would be appropriate,
because the machines are just keeping her alive. In this case,
Terri's alive. She's actually very spunky. She has kept herself alive
when feeding tubes and others have been removed.

And what has to happen is she cannot swallow. And so she needs food
and water assistance. And what the guardian is pushing for is to
remove that food and water and have her starve to death.

KING: And you're saying that's denying her constitutional rights,
even though she can't say it for herself?

GIBBS: Absolutely. We're stepping into Terri's shoes and saying that
that's taking away her rights to freedom of religion, as well as
life.

KING: If the situation is as you say it is, Robert, why is Michael
opposed?

R. SCHINDLER: That's a good question. We can't understand that.

KING: Were you ever close, you and Michael?

R. SCHINDLER: Initially, when this happened to Terri, Mary and
Michael were joined at the hip. And everything seemed to be going
proper until the malpractice medical...

KING: He filed a malpractice suit?

R. SCHINDLER: He filed for $20 million, and he was awarded a
million/four, plus another $250,000 in another settlement. And that
money was going to be for Terri's rehabilitation.

KING: You weren't opposed to the suit then, Mary?

M. SCHINDLER: No. No. Because...

KING: You feel that wrong things were done to Terri in the hospital,
wherever it happened, in the hospital, I guess, right?

M. SCHINDLER: Wrong things were done? KING: You think he had a
rightful suit?

M. SCHINDLER: Absolutely, absolutely, he had a rightful suit. But
after the money came in, then he wouldn't do anything.

KING: And what...

M. SCHINDLER: She hasn't had any therapy in over 12 years.

KING: What reason did Michael give you for changing his mind?

R. SCHINDLER: All he told me, I'm her husband, I make all decisions.

KING: That's all he said?

R. SCHINDLER: That was it.

M. SCHINDLER: That was that.

KING: What did he say to you, you were joined at the hip?

M. SCHINDLER: We were.

KING: What did he say to you?

M. SCHINDLER: He said, this is my wife, I will make the decisions,
and you have nothing to say about it.

KING: Do you see some hidden motive on Michael's part? Is there a
will? Is there...

R. SCHINDLER: Well, at one time, there was a tremendous amount of
money he would have inherited had she died. But that's since been
spent on the attorneys who are pursuing her death.

KING: So what's his point now?

R. SCHINDLER: It's a good question.

M. SCHINDLER: We don't know.

R. SCHINDLER: The most logical thing, we were just discussing it,
that we've had 8-year-old children who have found out about Terri's
case and they're asking the same question. Why would this man not,
you know, give Terri back to her parents? And that's...

KING: In other words, if he wanted to live, go on with his life.

M. SCHINDLER: He should...

KING: Perfectly understandably, he wanted to get divorced...

M. SCHINDLER: Right.

KING: ... wanted to remarry. M. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: Why not let her...

M. SCHINDLER: He has two children. That's right. I want her. I'm her
mother. I love her. Even if, you know, I would love to give her
therapy, but if I couldn't, she's just -- I'll take her home with me
now and take care of her for the rest of my life.

KING: David, if they're willing to do this and Michael's not in this
for any -- there's no more money to get, right?

GIBBS: That's correct. All the money's gone.

KING: All the money's gone. Excuse me. So what on Earth could be his
motive? He could leave, couldn't he?

GIBBS: That's the question everybody is asking.

KING: Anybody would grant him a divorce in this situation he's in?

GIBBS: He could relinquish his guardianship and say, I'm not in
charge of Terri anymore. He could file for divorce. We need to
understand, he has a girlfriend, he has two children. He's moved on
years ago with his life. And the Schindlers are saying, as mom and
dad, we don't want anything except our daughter. And we want to take
care of her. They had committed that they would do anything, if they
could just take their daughter home, they'll personally pay for that.
And why Michael won't let them do that, it's unimaginable. Young
children don't understand why he won't do that.

KING: We'll take a break. We'll be back with more. We'll be including
your calls. This is the first live appearance together of the
Schindlers since the decision of the Florida Supreme Court. David
Gibbs, their attorney, is with them.

Thursday night is the first of the presidential debates. We will
follow it at 8:00 Pacific time, 11:00 Eastern time. And among our
panelists will be two people who debated both of the participants,
former Governor William Weld of Massachusetts who had debates with
John Kerry; former Governor Ann Richards of Texas, who had debates
with George Bush. So both will be on Thursday night to look at people
they've debated. It's Thursday night, 11:00 Eastern. We'll be right
back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

M. SCHINDLER: Put your head back. Is that OK? Huh? How you feel? How
do you feel? How do you feel? How do you feel? Huh? What? That's my
girl.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL SCHIAVO, TERRI SCHIAVO'S HUSBAND: Her father and mother came
into the room and closed the door. And they asked the big question,
how much money am I going to get? I told him he wasn't going to get
any money.

KING: Out of the malpractice...

SCHIAVO: Out of the malpractice suit. Then he argued with me a little
while and then he pointed at Terri in her wheelchair and he
says, "how much am I going to get from her money?" And I said, "you
have to go talk to the courts about that."

KING: She got money, too?

SCHIAVO: Yes, Terri got money. From there it blew up, he wanted to go
out in the hall and have a fistfight. It was crazy. It was a little
crazy.

KING: Did it shock you?

SCHIAVO: No. Because he always wanted the money.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Robert? Pretty damning stuff.

R. SCHINDLER: I know it is. It's kind of a smoke screen, the argument
that I had with Mr. Schiavo was for Terri's rehabilitation. Prior to
when the malpractice money came in we had a neurologist come in and
state that Terri could improve if she received some progressive
therapy. He promised before the malpractice trial that he would see
to that, see that would happen. When the money came in and he
received it, I think it was in January, he confined Terri to a
nursing home, he did not give her the advanced therapy. I had been
literally pleading with him, please.

KING: So that's what the argument was?

R. SCHINDLER: That's what it was about.

KING: You weren't making money?

R. SCHINDLER: No. It was about using...

M. SCHINDLER: We was supposed to go to Shands Hospital. He promised
us.

KING: Shands in Jacksonville?

M. SCHINDLER: Shands Hospital in Gainesville. That's where Terri
would go after he got the malpractice money. That's what the argument
was about. That's what Bob asked him for. Michael, please...

KING: So he was lying? M. SCHINDLER: Michael, please, are we going to
Gainesville?

KING: Where is she right now?

M. SCHINDLER: In a hospice. In Clearwater, Florida.

KING: With cancer patients and the like.

R. SCHINDLER: Everyone by her, they're all dying.

KING: She's in a room?

M. SCHINDLER: A four by four little room.

KING: Does she go out?

M. SCHINDLER: Never. She's not allowed.

KING: Do you get to see her?

R. SCHINDLER: We do now. There were times when we were prohibited
from seeing her.

M. SCHINDLER: Fifty days, we went without seeing her.

R. SCHINDLER: And we were banned from seeing our daughter. My
children had been banned from seeing her by the husband.

KING: And all the people working for you, the doctors and the others
are doing this gratis?

David, you're working for nothing?

GIBBS: That's correct.

KING: Why?

GIBBS: Because there's big issues involved, Larry. When you look at
the rights of a mom and dad to try to protect the life of their own
daughter, when you look at religious liberty rights, all people of
all faith, I'm a Baptist, the Schindlers are Catholic, people could
be Jewish or whatever faith. When we watch the state come in and try
to impose their belief on people that violates their religious
teaching, that's a huge concern.

And when you look at this, in this country, if you have law, one of
the core tenets of the founding fathers was to protect life. If we're
going to live in a country that says life is throw away, you can
dispose of the people that don't matter anymore, the disabled, you
look at people that say economically, these people can't contribute.
But I believe there's a God who puts those people in this world for
distinct reason, a purpose, a calling, and to let people come in and
say some people aren't worth living, that's a battle that we'll
fight.

KING: Do you know she's not in pain?

M. SCHINDLER: No. You know.

KING: She could be in pain?

M. SCHINDLER: She's in pain when she gets like the time of the month.
I mean, she's not in pain otherwise.

KING: You know that there's no need to give her morphine?

M. SCHINDLER: No.

KING: There's no pain involved in this illness?

R. SCHINDLER: She expresses pain. She'll let you know when she's
hurting or...

M. SCHINDLER: They give her Tylenol.

R. SCHINDLER: An example, the...

KING: She gets headaches?

GIBBS: That's correct.

R. SCHINDLER: The caretakers tell us that when they do put her in a
chair and they will say, Terri's been in the chair too long, we have
to put her back in bed because she lets us know she's been in the
chair too long.

KING: Does her husband see her a lot?

R. SCHINDLER: I have no idea.

KING: Do you talk to him at all? You'll see him in court Thursday,
right? Will he be in court Thursday?

R. SCHINDLER: Probably not. He sends his lawyers. They would be glad
to talk to him but he refuses to speak other than through his legal
counsel.

KING: Did you know you had a tough case with the Florida supreme
court?

GIBBS: Yes, sir. And please realize, we tried to intervene into that
case on behalf of Bob and Mary and we were denied that opportunity
and so the governor was defending the law. We were cooperating with
his lawyers but we weren't actually in that case. But a lot of legal
scholars were concerned that what the legislature did might create
constitutional trouble. Now we have real profound gratitude because
if it weren't for the legislators, if it weren't for the governor, if
it weren't for the hundreds of thousands of Florida citizens who
said, you know, Terri is a life worth protecting, Terri's Law would
have been passed and we wouldn't have had these opportunities to
raise these issues...

KING: The court wasn't saying she shouldn't live, the court was
saying the governor had no right to do what he did? GIBBS: That's
correct. It was on pure constitutional principles.

KING: And that's what they're there for.

GIBBS: Yes, sir.

KING: Call me Larry.

GIBBS: I will.

KING: So that was the grounds. Do you think you're on solid ground
Thursday?

GIBBS: I believe so. Because what the court says if there's any
significant change in circumstance that the courts are obligated to
look at this situation. When you have someone's faith and the highest
elected leader of that religion says it would be inappropriate, it
would be wrong, it would be morally obligatory to give food and water
to this individual, and when the courts look at that, I think they're
going to have to deal with that issue and we're very hopeful.

KING: But this pope has also said it's morally wrong to have capital
punishment and states still do that so...

GIBBS: But we're walking behind the First Amendment that says in this
country your religious liberty needs to be given the highest possible
status. And when someone like Terri can't speak for herself, they
have to, in a measure, look into her mind and say how would she
respond.

KING: Do you have other children, Bob?

R. SCHINDLER: We have two boys. Terri has a brother that's a year
difference, Bobby Junior and Suzanne, who is three years younger.

KING: Are they close?

R. SCHINDLER: Oh, my gosh, yes.

KING: Do they go see her?

M. SCHINDLER: All the time. They're there while we're here.

KING: You were in business in Philadelphia. Is that where Terri grew
up? This was her first marriage?

R. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: There were no children of that marriage?

R. SCHINDLER: No.

KING: So what's it like for you when you see her?

R. SCHINDLER: I think any father or any parent that has a child that
knows that child can be helped and I'm not permitted to do anything
to help her, that breaks my heart.

M. SCHINDLER: It's like that night I watched -- I watched Pat Boone's
grandson on your show for two nights and I'm sitting at home,
thinking that could be my Terri because she could...

KING: He fell through a skylight window and paralyzed and they never
thought he'd...

M. SCHINDLER: They had such therapy for him, wonderful therapy and
that's what Terri was supposed to get. When that lawsuit was settled,
she's supposed to get this intensive therapy.

KING: Do you believe that if that money had been spent on therapy,
she would be better today?

M. SCHINDLER: Absolutely.

R. SCHINDLER: It's not us making...

M. SCHINDLER: Right away. If she'd have got help right away...

R. SCHINDLER: She was improving. She was talking. She was saying, no,
she was saying stop, she was saying mommy.

KING: We'll take a break and be right back with the Schindler's and
David Gibbs, we'll also be including your phone calls on this edition
of LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

R. SCHINDLER: The one eye rolls in on her. Doesn't it? That one eye
rolls in on you? Do you remember that? We used to laugh at that.

Used to get mommy all upset when you did that to her?

You take your eye and let it roll to the side.

You remember?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Did she ever speak since 1990?

SCHIAVO: Terri has never has spoke a word.

KING: So, various types of rehab conducted?

SCHIAVO: Right. When I brought her back from California, I put her in
a rehab called Mediplex in Bradenton, Florida. They deal only with
head injury, spine injury patients. They worked extensively. They had
physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy, recreational
therapy. They worked extensively with Terri.

KING: Nothing?

SCHIAVO: Nothing. Her mother and father were there and they heard
this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Is that true, Mary?

M. SCHINDLER: That's true. Absolutely. It's not true what he's saying
about nothing. She was improving. I was with him every day. We went
to classes to learn how to help Terri. She was saying, no, she was
saying stop, she was saying mom.

R. SCHINDLER: It's in her medical records she was improving.

M. SCHINDLER: It's in her medical records at Mediplex.

R. SCHINDLER: That's kind of a...

KING: Did she fall? What happened? Was she injured?

GIBBS: They don't know, Larry, exactly what happened, but there was
severe...

KING: Who was with her?

GIBBS: She was home alone with just Michael, and there was a severe
deprivation of oxygen from the brain. What caused that deprivation no
one knows. But for a period her brain was oxygen starved and that
created the damage.

KING: The doctors guessed?

GIBBS: What they talked about was a strange potassium deficiency or
other things, but it really is anybody's guess. And the Schindler's
have had doctors who offered to review all the records and to go back
and really try to recreate what happened on that night to help others
and the records have been sealed by Michael.

KING: Is that the way Mary looked before the accident?

M. SCHINDLER: Terri.

R. SCHINDLER: No, that's Terri.

KING: Terri. I mean, Terri.

M. SCHINDLER: Yes. That's the way -- yes.

KING: Let's take a call up Alabama. Hello.

CALLER: Hello. Yes, I lost a son eight years ago in a car accident,
and I would just like to -- I know how they feel. But I'd like to
know why he doesn't get a divorce and go on with his life and let the
parents have their daughter back.

KING: No one knows the answer.

GIBBS: That's everybody's question. I mean, for little children -- my
daughter walked up to me and said, daddy, why won't he let the mommy
and daddy take care of her.

KING: Now, I must have asked in October, I don't remember, we do a
lot of interviews.

What did he say that night? Why does he want to let her die?

R. SCHINDLER: I know what the standard answer is, he's honoring her
wishes.

KING: Oh. Based on?

R. SCHINDLER: That Terri.

M. SCHINDLER: What she told him.

R. SCHINDLER: Apparently -- well apparently what he said was back
when she was 21-years-old, that she had made an oral end of life
declaration. And...

KING: Were you aware of that?

R. SCHINDLER: No. We never were. It was contrary -- totally contrary

KING: Catholic beliefs.

M. SCHINDLER: And to Terri. She would never...

R. SCHINDLER: It wasn't Terri. And all her girlfriends, everybody
that knew Terri said, Terri would never do that. But the husband made
that claim and then brought his brother and sister-in-law in to
corroborate that.

KING: Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: My heart goes out to the Schindler's and to Terri, and I
support you 100 percent and support Terri as well. I also wanted to
ask the lawyer, are there any cases other than Terri that this has
been documented where there was a patient allowed to starve to death
like this?

Because I think it's horrendous.

KING: David.

GIBBS: Yes. There are cases where people are allowed to make that
choice for themselves, Larry. What happens is they have to have it
clearly spelled out in writing ahead of time. They have to leave a
living will that says, I want the with holding of food and water.
Where it becomes a very big issue, is when there is no written
declaration. And in this instance allegedly, Terri might have at one
time watching TV, said I don't know if I want to live like that. And
to have a court go back in and try to interpret what that means is
very, very difficult.

KING: You're asking for guardianship?

M. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: Why won't he give it?

GIBBS: All they want is their daughter back. They're not asking for
money from him or from anybody, let them take care of their daughter.

M. SCHINDLER: I don't know why.

KING: If. If he said OK, would you let him see her as much as he
wanted?

R. SCHINDLER: Of course.

M. SCHINDLER: Sure.

KING: No doubt about it. So, there's no...

R. SCHINDLER: There's no restriction, no.

M. SCHINDLER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) He can see her when ever he wants.

R. SCHINDLER: All we want from day one is to try and help Terri.
That's all our motivation and our (UNINTELLIGIBLE) .

M. SCHINDLER: Love her.

KING: Colorado Springs, hello.

CALLER: Hello. Yes. My question is if we treat animals this way, it's
called cruel and inhumane treatment. So, that's my question and my
discussion with this whole thing is, -- what I don't understand is
there a possibility her husband is wanting to make additional money,
maybe a book or movie after the fact?

GIBBS: Could well be. Again, the motivation are unknown to us. But
she's absolutely right, if you were to take a dog, you were to take a
horse or some livestock, say we're just going to ignore it, we're not
going to feed it, we're going to not give it water, we're going to
let it die of dehydration...

KING: It would be cruelty to animals.

GIBBS: ... it would be cruelty to animals. You'd be arrested. M.
SCHINDLER: They'd go to prison. But yet Terri can be allowed to
starve to death. You've never seen anything like it, Larry, in your
life, as a mother watching your child starve to death.

R. SCHINDLER: We went through that two times.

M. SCHINDLER: Two times.

KING: When, when they stopped food?

M. SCHINDLER: Both times.

KING: How many days?

M. SCHINDLER: The first time was 60 days. I'm sorry, 60 hours, the
second time was seven days. She is a strong girl.

KING: Did she nearly die in seven days?

M. SCHINDLER: Well, yes, she was close it to.

R. SCHINDLER: But they wouldn't let us in the room by ourselves with
her. There were police outside of her room, there were police in her
room.

M. SCHINDLER: There was Michael's representatives in her room. I
didn't have one second alone with her while she was dying.

KING: This really does sound weird, David?

GIBBS: Yes, sir. Absolutely.

R. SCHINDLER: When Mary went to go to Terri people would literally
jump. The police would move to stop her.

KING: Fearing she'd do what?

R. SCHINDLER: I have no idea.

(CROSSTALK)

GIBBS: They were fearful somebody might actually try to feed her or
keep her alive. I don't know what their fear was, but they were...

R. SCHINDLER: They denied her communion as a Catholic.

KING: They did?

M. SCHINDLER: Yes.

R. SCHINDLER: They would not give her the last rites.

KING: We take a break and be back with more of your phone calls.
Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Open yours up. Open your eyes.
Terri, open your eyes. There you go. Good. Good job! Good job, young
lady! Good job.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SCHIAVO: This is Terri's wish, and I'm going to follow that wish if
it's the last thing I can do for Terri. I love Terri deeply, and I'm
going to follow it up for Terri.

KING: How old was she when this happened?

SCHIAVO: Twenty-five.

KING: A 25-year-old said to you, if I die, if I'm in this kind of
state -- most 25-year-olds wouldn't think of something like that.

SCHIAVO: It was a comment from watching certain programs. She said --
we were watching some programs, and she said, I don't want to -- I
don't want anything artificial like that. I don't want any tubes.
Don't let me live like that. I don't want to be a burden to anybody.
She's also made comments to other people about different stories.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: We are back with Mary and Robert Schindler. They are Terri
Schiavo's parents, and David Gibbs, the attorney for the Schindlers.
A new motion will be introduced on Thursday, counteracting -- well,
not differing with the Florida Supreme Court, just going another
route, dealing with the First Amendment and the recent statements by
the pope speaking out for the first time on this issue of feeding.
The pope was saying in essence that feeding is a medical issue?

GIBBS: What the pope said is providing food and water is not a
medical act. It's not an extraordinary, a life-preserving measure,
and that you have to provide food and water as a clearly decent act.

KING: I see. Not a medical act. It is not a medical act?

GIBBS: That's correct.

KING: Charlotte, North Carolina. By the way, I have got bronchitis,
and that's some of the reasons you hear -- maybe you hear a cough
during the background. I'm hanging tough.

Charlotte -- because that's what we do in this business, right? The
show must go on, or as someone once said, why?

Charlotte, North Carolina, hello.

CALLER: Larry.

KING: Yeah.

CALLER: Thank you for taking my call.

KING: Sure.

CALLER: One brief comment, and then my question. In 1991, my father
was having an operation, and he became brain dead on the table. And
he was put on a trach, and we had to decide eventually if we were
going to remove him, which we did.

My situation is very different from Terri's folks, but still, it
brings back a lot of memories.

KING: Yeah. What's the question?

CALLER: The question is, I noticed that she opened her eyes -- it was
very, very hard for her to do, but she opened her eyes when someone
asked her to just a few minutes ago on film. Could they not ask her
to blink her eyes, maybe four or five times in succession if she
wanted to die, so that she -- her mother says that she can
communicate somewhat.

KING: A very good question. David, is there a way to ask her
questions?

GIBBS: And the answer at this point is unknown. Until professionals
have an opportunity to rehabilitate her, you can't know for sure what
a response may or may not mean in terms of four or five blinks, one
means yes, one means no. Plus, if somebody says I want to die, that
doesn't mean right then you take them out and kill them. I mean,
certainly through starvation or dehydration -- sometimes people can
have some difficult medical situations, and in love as a family, you
pull around them and you help them through those difficult moments. I
certainly sympathize with someone that has to deal with someone who
is brain dead and kept alive by machines.

KING: Is she fed intravenously?

GIBBS: No.

M. SCHINDLER: No.

GIBBS: It's through a tube, and it goes right into her stomach.

R. SCHINDLER: Yeah, can I elaborate on what she was talking about
that?

KING: Sure.

R. SCHINDLER: In November, I guess it would be two years now, I had
Terri on a cell phone, talking with a therapist out in Texas, who
will, by the way, testify in the court on what happened, and I was
sitting there, watching, and I saw Terri, and she was sitting in a
chair, literally get out of her chair, where I reached over and I
pulled her back in the chair. And I got on the phone, I said, what in
the world did you say to this girl? And he said, I said to her that
if you don't get up out of your chair, they're going to kill you. And
she tried to get out of the chair. And that can be documented.

KING: So the husband's only argument is he's proving a point because
she said at age 25 she didn't want to be kept alive artificially.

GIBBS: Watching some program. And Larry, interesting, when she made
that comment, if it was made, but he says it was made, that was
against Florida law at that time. You could not withhold basic food
and water in 1990 when that comment was allegedly made. So what he's
asking everyone to believe is that she made a comment "I would want
to be killed" even in violation of Florida law. And I really think a
25- year-old isn't thinking about being starved to death and making a
casual comment.

KING: Beautiful couple, too. Groton, Connecticut, hello.

CALLER: Yes, hello, Larry, thank you for taking my call.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: I'm a mother of five young children. My second child is 14,
and he's multi-handicapped. And doctors at Yale University told us
that he would never do anything in his life, take him home and take
care of him and love him, he would never do anything.

Well, my son is just -- he's very small. He's undiagnosed, but with
great therapy, he's doing phenomenal things. He's non-verbal, but he
communicates in other ways. I feel so bad for the Schindlers.

KING: You have a question?

CALLER: Yes, I do. I have a fear that if something happens to Terri
and people like her, what will happen to my son. My question is, is
anyone aware of any kind of agenda moving the husband to take her
life so it will be easier for other children like my son to be
disposed of?

KING: David?

GIBBS: Absolutely. There's an agenda.

KING: He's part of a group or a...?

GIBBS: I don't know. I believe there's a movement. They argue in the
court that economically Terri is of no value. And if someone can't...

KING: They say that?

GIBBS: Absolutely, that economically, she costs too much to keep her
alive, and she can't contribute. And what you have is a very
dangerous way of thinking, Larry. It's very similar to what happened
over in Nazi Germany, where all of a sudden the government and others
began to say who should live, who shouldn't. And you know, America
was founded as a nation that said, we're going to protect life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

KING: But the parents are willing to absorb the costs?

GIBBS: They're willing to do it personally, at great sacrifice, as
well as the brother and sister, Bobby Jr. and Susanne. They said if
anything happens to mom and dad, we will personally take care of our
sister. That's family.

R. SCHINDLER: We filed affidavits to do that.

KING: I'm trying to figure out the argument.

GIBBS: We have been doing the same thing for all these years.

M. SCHINDLER: A long time.

GIBBS: It makes no sense. Children are asking the question. You're
asking it. Everybody wants to know.

KING: What about others -- are the disabled involved in this in any
way?

GIBBS: They're very terrified. They've been huge supporters of Terri
and the Schindlers.

M. SCHINDLER: A lot of groups.

GIBBS: And they're very concerned, because if the law turns to where
those that can't contribute or those that carry disabilities are put
in some jeopardy, as this mother testifying about her 14-year-old,
what a wonderful thing, with her getting him therapy -- but if
somebody else were to step in and say, you know what, that boy,
because he can't speak, is a life not worth having, we disagree with
that. That's why I'm in this case. Life needs to be protected in this
country.

KING: Santa Monica, California, hello.

CALLER: First, I want to say to the Schindlers, the love for your
daughter radiates through the screen. I'm personally making my
comments based on a very similar situation. Twenty-two months ago
today my 10-year-old son had a battle with leukemia for 14 months. We
had an accident on the day of discharge, and we were on our way going
home when there was no brain activity whatsoever. The hardest
decision I ever made in my life was to say no respirator, no
ventilator, because quality of life is everything for us.

When I look at you and I look at the pictures of your beautiful
daughter, I cannot imagine what you are feeling with the decision to
continue on and tell me, in your opinion, how do you determine
quality of life for Terri, because my heart, I could have never taken
my son off ever. I would have backed you 100 percent, but I look at
quality of life and that's everything.

KING: Fair question. Bob? What quality of life does she have?

R. SCHINDLER: The quality of life that she has that she get some
enjoyment from her family. But there's the potential for her
improvement is great as we're being told by these doctors.

KING: The doctors tell you that?

R. SCHINDLER: Absolutely.

KING: If there were no potential for improvement, you'd have to
consider this lady's call, wouldn't you?

M. SCHINDLER: I would never ever in 100 years starve my child to
death. Ever.

KING: Never?

M. SCHINDLER: Never. There is no mother in this world that would
starve your child to death. It's the most horrendous thing you've
ever seen in your life.

R. SCHINDLER: To starve anybody to death. To stand there and watch a
person starving to death is ghoulish. To see -- I don't care who it
was, if it was -- talking earlier, an animal, I couldn't do it.

M. SCHINDLER: My Terri has so much to give. If this is where she is
going to be without any rehab, I can't wait to get her home.

KING: We'll be back with more moments and more calls. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

M. SCHINDLER: To momma. To momma. What, baby? It's OK. It's OK. Mommy
loves you. Mommy loves you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has nothing to gain. He's not going to receive
a penny upon Terri's death

KING: No insurance here?

M. SCHIAVO: There's no money, there's no insurance. There's probably
about $50,000 left in her estate. I will not receive a penny from
this. Now what's funny about this, back about two years, the
Schindlers offered me $700,000 to walk away.

KING: They have that kind of money?

M. SCHIAVO: They get money from the right wing activists, the right
to life groups. (CROSSTALK)

KING: The right to life group is willing to pay you 700,000 to walk
away?

M. SCHIAVO: Right.

And two years ago, I offered what was left of Terri's money to
charity three times and the Schindlers refused to do that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Robert.

R. SCHINDLER: The -- his offer to donate Terri's money to charity
came after a guardian ad litem made a recommendation to the court to
disregard the petition to stop Terri's feeding.

KING: Did you offer him $700,000.

R. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: You did?

R. SCHINDLER: Yes.

KING: You got paid by a right wing group?

R. SCHINDLER: No. It was just -- a number was floated out there to
see...

KING: You were willing to pay that, though?

R. SCHINDLER: We would have, yes.

KING: It's not mercenary then, David? He could have taken the 700 and
ran? So what's his point?

GIBBS: We're not sure, Larry. We don't know. When we look at this
situation, it would be so easy for him to get on with his life. He
has two children, he has a new girlfriend. He could, with one stroke
of the pen, one signature, he can get on with his life and let these
parents take care of his daughter.

KING: Is there a concern that if something happened to the two of
you, the state would have to take care of Terri?

M. SCHINDLER: No. Well, unless my daughter and my son would get
custody.

R. SCHINDLER: No. They have -- my son and daughter, both of them have
made that request to be the guardian.

M. SCHINDLER: They would be fighting Michael. The two of them would
be fighting instead of us. GIBBS: You have to look at these quality
of life issues and you have to ask yourself, who is in the place to
make these determinations? We believe that God is the giver and taker
of life. For us as mere men, mere mortals to walk around and say that
your life is worth living and someone else isn't is a profound
arrogance.

KING: But you do agree there are some cases where plugs are pulled?

GIBBS: Plugs are pulled when the machine is keeping the person alive.
As you can see on the video footage, Terri is very much alive.

KING: She's not attached to anything?

GIBBS: She's not attached to anything. She just needs help. She can't
swallow food and water. And so she needs help. You could, instead of
using a tube, you could have a nurse stand over Terri and drip feed
food down her throat. You have to be real careful that she doesn't
asphyxiate or have difficulty with aspiration. But they use a tube
because that's the cleanest and safest way to do it but to get the
food and water into her system, that's the only assistance she needs.

KING: What's her life expectancy?

M. SCHINDLER: It was 50 years. Fifty or more years.

R. SCHINDLER: They had an actuary testify at the malpractice, that's
why they won up to $20 million.

KING: And he said she had 50 more years?

R. SCHINDLER: He recited his wedding vows at that malpractice trial.

KING: Tampa, Florida, hello.

CALLER: Yes, Larry. First, I find it amazing that society seems to
put more effort into finding humane ways to kill convicted murderers
than actually something as far as starvation as a solution for Terri.
My question as far as the parents, what speculation is there as far
as that he's actually involved in Terri's condition and do you see
that as the reason why he's not (UNINTELLIGIBLE) rehabilitation?

KING: There's the fear that she might accuse him of having something
if she were able to speak? That's just pure speculation?

R. SCHINDLER: No way we could know that.

KING: Littleton, Colorado, hello.

CALLER: Hello, Larry. God bless you. I'd like to ask Mr. and Mrs.
Schindler if they believe in divine healing?

KING: Divine healing. R. SCHINDLER: I believe that God heals.

KING: That's divine healing.

R. SCHINDLER: I believe in God.

M. SCHINDLER: Absolutely.

R. SCHINDLER: We've seen miracles.

M. SCHINDLER: We've seen miracles with Terri.

KING: So it would not shock you if Terri spoke tomorrow?

R. SCHINDLER: No.

M. SCHINDLER: No.

KING: We'll be back with our remaining moments with the Schindlers
and David Gibbs. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look here. Look here. Follow it. Follow it. OK.
Look up here again. OK. I see. OK. Now, Terri, Terri, look at me.
Look at me over here. No. Over here, Terri. Try and look at me. I
understand. One eye is further out, the right eye is further out than
the left. So if she looks this way, the right eye has a tendency to
be further over toward me. Look at me over here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: That's young Terri Schindler. She would later be Terri Schiavo.
Schiavo.

Meadville, Pennsylvania. Wow. Hello.

CALLER: Hey, Larry. Love your show.

KING: Hi. Thank you.

CALLER: My question to the Schindlers is, was there ever a police
investigation conducted into the circumstances of Terri's
predicament?

R. SCHINDLER: The police report was recommended to be sent to the
homicide division. It's right on the police report.

KING: And?

R. SCHINDLER: To be routed to homicide, and it was never
investigated. And we tried to file a report with the police
department when we discovered all this, what we felt was
incriminating evidence, circumstantial evidence, and they refused to
accept a report from us.

KING: How long have you been involved in this case, David?

GIBBS: Working with a team of lawyers, and the battle's been going on
14 years. I've been involved in the last three.

KING: How are you going to do Thursday?

GIBBS: Well, we're praying, and we're hoping, because we're getting
down to where it's the two-minute drill, to use football analogy, and
we got to score a touchdown.

Btu we believe the law's on our side. We believe it's right. We
believe we're standing for the right thing and we're hoping that if
given the opportunity, the Florida courts will agree.

KING: If God forbid you lose, would you be there when she dies?

R. SCHINDLER: We'd do it again. We'll be with her.

M. SCHINDLER: Yes. Every step of the way.

R. SCHINDLER: What happened is -- when we were denied visitation,
because we were accused of harming Terri back in -- it was in March,
and the husband denied us visitation for two months.

M. SCHINDLER: That's the longest we've ever gone.

R. SCHINDLER: And we've never gone that long not seeing Terri, but
we'll be with her.

M. SCHINDLER: Absolutely.

KING: I thank you very much for coming, for flying here across the
country, out of hurricaneville in Florida and for...

M. SCHINDLER: Thank you for having us.

KING: ... making the presentation you made tonight.

R. SCHINDLER: Thank you.

M. SCHINDLER: Thank you.

KING: It's been extraordinary.

R. SCHINDLER: I thank you very much.

GIBBS: Appreciate your grace.

KING: We talked about death tonight. We had to talk about the death
of Kaye Coleman on Friday. And a great man died over the weekend,
Marvin Davis. He was a dear friend, a great, great businessman, but
most of all, a family man. Marvin Davis loved Barbara and he loved
his family. Sure, he was worth $5 billion. Sure, he had an immense
house and all these friends and business deals all over the world.
But when it came down to the crux of it, Marvin Davis cared about the
people he cared about the most, those closest to him, all the
Davises.

At his funeral yesterday, they had written in the memorial service
something written by Sir Laurence Olivier. I thought it appropriate
to read to you tonight. This by Sir Olivier.

"Death is nothing at all. I have only slipped away into the next
room. I am I and you are you. Whoever we were to each other we are
still. Call me by my old familiar name, speak to me the easy way you
always did. Put no difference into your tone, wear no forced air or
solemnity or sorrow. Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes
that we enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let
my name be forever the household word that it always was. Let it be
spoken without effect, without the ghost of a shadow on it. Life
means all that it ever meant. It is the same as it ever was,
absolutely unbroken continuity.

What is death but a negligible accident? Why should I be out of my
mind because I am out of sight? I am but waiting for you, for an
interval, somewhere very near, just around the corner."

I'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Tomorrow night, the Peterson case. The prosecution may end on
Thursday.

Thursday night, we're on at 11:00 Eastern, with our follow-up to the
presidential debate. At 12:00 Eastern, we'll be followed by Aaron
Brown, who'll be right here with us in Los Angeles, because Aaron
Brown is doing a California/West Coast/North/South sweep this week.
And he's in Seattle. Look at him. His favorite city, Seattle,
Washington. Aaron Brown comes home.

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OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/27/lkl.00.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

September 27, 2004
• Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler
Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler (and their attorney, David C.
Gibbs III of Gibbs Law Firm)

* See Gibbs' letter to Gov. Bush, dated Oct. 16, 2003, the day after
Terri's feeding tube was removed, cited directly below.

Aired September 27, 2004 - 21:00   ET

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/27/lkl.00.html



Expert Attorneys' Letters To Bush Prove He Could Save Terri


MIND BLOWING LETTERS TO GOVERNOR BUSH FROM EXPERT ATTORNEYS

PROVE GOVERNOR BUSH COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS ATTEMPTED MURDER

(TORTUOUS, ILLEGAL MURDER) BY DEHYDRATION AND STARVATION!

ALSO, IT WAS & IS ILLEGAL TO WITHHOLD ORAL (BY MOUTH) FOOD AND WATER
AFTER THE FEEDING TUBE WAS / IS REMOVED!



BE SURE TO READ ALL OF THESE ATTORNEYS' LETTERS/MEMOS TO GOVERNOR
BUSH. THEY WERE ALL DELIVERED TO GOV. BUSH ON EITHER OCTOBER 15TH OR
OCTOBER 16, 2003 AND THEY WILL BLOW YOUR MIND IF YOU WERE NOT AWARE
OF THEM! READ THEM AND ASK YOURSELF WHY GOVERNOR BUSH KEPT INSISTING
HE COULD NOT INTERVENE AND STOP TERRI'S ATTEMPTED MURDER! ASK
YOURSELF IF THESE EXPERT ATTORNEYS ALL EMPHATICALLY INFORMED GOVERNOR
BUSH HE *ALREADY* HAD THE POWER (AS GOVERNOR) TO ACT AND THAT HE
*MUST* ACT, WHY THEN DID GOVERNOR BUSH TOTALLY IGNORE THESE EXPERT
ATTORNEYS AND DO NOTHING FOR ABOUT AN ENTIRE WEEK, WHILE TERRI WAS
BEING DEHYDRATED AND STARVED TO DEATH ILLEGALLY (SINCE ORAL FOOD AND
WATER WAS WITHHELD!!!)

See ALL of the attorneys' letters here:

Memorandum from John B. Thompson, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_2.htm

Memorandum from Brian Fahling, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_3.htm

Memorandum from Herbert Titus, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_4.htm

______________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________
CNN LARRY KING LIVE

September 27, 2004
• Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler
Interview With Mary, Robert Schindler (and their attorney, David C.
Gibbs III of Gibbs Law Firm)

*See Gibbs' letter to Gov. Bush, dated Oct. 16, 2003, the day after
Terri's feeding tube was removed, cited directly below.

Aired September 27, 2004 - 21:00   ET

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/27/lkl.00.html

______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________


Memorandum from Gibbs Law Firm, P.A. signed by David C. Gibbs III
and Enclosure to Governor Bush Re: "Motion For Clarification and
Supplemental Request For Implementation of Order" which shows the
Schindlers, (Terri's parents), asked Judge Greer to clarify that
Terri could be given ORAL food and water after her feeding tube was
removed) The Motion listed on this webpage was mistakenly listed at
the bottom of the page) *see link cited below to read Gibbs' and
Thompsons' letters to Gov. Bush*

* http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm

Note: It is illegal to withhold ORAL (by mouth) food and water even
AFTER a feeding tube is removed. This is state sponsored EUTHANASIA,
which is ILLEGAL IN FLORIDA! THIS IS ATTEMPTED MURDER OF TERRI
SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO, WHICH HAS HAPPENED TWICE NOW IN FLORIDA!!!

Plus,

Memorandum from John B. ("Jack") Thompson, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm

Memorandum from the Thomas More Law Center:
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_6.htm





Also see the Press Release
Issued on October 16, 2003


Re: these attorneys' letters to Bush and the question:

Legal Solution Now on Hand —
Will Governor Bush Intervene and Save Terri's Life?

http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_7.htm

Press Release Text:

To: National Desk

Contact: Gary McCullough, 202.546.0054

Society for Truth and Justice Press Release, Randall Terry President

Legal Solution Now on Hand—Will Governor Bush Intervene and Save
Terri's Life?

The following Internet links will take you to documents that are in
the hands of Governor Jeb Bush.
Printed copies of these documents were made available to the press at
the 11:30 AM, October 16, Press Conference.

Memorandum from the Thomas More Law Center

Memorandum from Herbert Titus, Attorney

Memorandum from John B. Thompson, Attorney

Memorandum from Brian Fahling, Attorney

All these documents are available online at: www.TerrisFight.org
(THIS IS NOT NOT TRUE NOW, AS ALL OF THESE LINKS ARE BROKEN ON
TERRISFIGHT.ORG AT THIS TIME - SAVETERRISLIFE)

Judge Greer ordered that Terri Schindler-Schiavo be denied food and
water starting at 2 PM yesterday, October 15. The family continues to
ask Governor Bush to save Terri's life.

A 24-hour vigil for Terri continues to be held in front of the
Woodside Hospice, located at 6774 102nd Avenue N. (near 66th Street N
and 102nd Avenue N) in Pinellas Park, Florida.

"Legal experts from around the country agree that Governor Bush has
the authority to save Terri Schindler-Schiavo's life. We know he has
the power, the question is; does he have the political will."—Randall
Terry, President of the Society for Truth and Justice


Details on Terri Schindler-Schiavo and her fight to stay alive is
available online at www.terrisfight.org


Society for Truth and Justice

3501-B North Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 394 -- Saint Augustine, FL
32084


http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_7.htm

I was interview on Monday, 9/27/04 by Jackie Patru and will be on
again tonight, Tuesday, 9/28/04 from 9-10 PM EDT discussing new info.
re:  Terri has hydrocephalus, a treatable medical condition which can
be caused by head trauma.  Plus, much more info.

What's New At Liberty To The Captives

Melissa Roxanne Stanley will be on Jackie Patru's Sweet Liberty radio
broadcast Tuesday, 9/28/04 at 9:00 pm EDT.  New Bombshell information
to save Terri's life!  Scroll down to Listen Live!

Terri Schiavo Has Hydrocephalus: Probably Due to Head Injury

The following quotes are excerpts from the article, Interview With
Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery!]

Margaret Juneman's notes:

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Ron Panzer's notes:

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html



PLEASE READ THIS!
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schiavo_has_hydrocephalus.html


Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

Listen to the archived 01/07/04  Highway2Health broadcast with Dr.
William Hammesfahr

Margaret Juneman's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

These are notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet
broadcast featuring Dr. Hammesfahr on Highway2health.net.

These notes were written by Margaret Juneman. Parenthetical
statements were added by Joe and Margaret Juneman. [Lisa's comments
are included in brackets.]

Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully
to restore deficits caused by stroke. His technique is approved by
Medicare, and he was nominated in 1999 for a Nobel prize for this
work which he started in 1994.

Dr. Hammesfahr has great success. Most doctors think a brain injury
that has been there awhile is not treatable. He has had success with
these cases and he is convinced Terri would improve. (Improvement
should not be required for Terri to be allowed to live).

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's behavior indicates that he is also
convinced Terri would improve. He is so sure Terri would improve with
therapy that he not only illegally prevents her from receiving
rehabilitation, but he keeps her under armed guard for fear someone
will give her  unauthorized sensory input! The phony persistent
vegetative state ruse is being maintained at all cost. It is no
wonder that Michael, with the blessings and protection of the court,
defies Florida law by denying Terri her legal right to
rehabilitation.]

According to Dr. William Hammesfahr, world renowned neurologist:

Terri's feeding tube is for the convenience of nurses; not because
Terri needs it. Terri does not drool. Liquid is the hardest thing to
swallow, and she swallows 1½ to 2 liters of saliva a day.

Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state or coma. She is a
living, thinking person who makes choices and decisions. This is
terrible. They are trying to kill her. While Dr. Hammesfahr was
examining her, he observed Terri chose to ignore her husband Michael
and the person taking the video.

When Terri heard her mother's voice, she smiled and tracked her.
Terri moved her arms and legs as Dr. Hammesfahr requested her to.

[Lisa's note: Dr. Hammesfahr mentioned that during his ten hour
examination, Terri responded well to verbal requests to move, and
even moved to the point where it caused her pain in order to comply
with a request. He indicated that such movements are definitely not
reflexive.]

(Videotapes show Terri reacting to people. These are at
terrisfight.org. Scroll down to Videos of Terri.) A persistent
vegetative state, by definition, allows no awareness of the world or
ability to interact with the world.

[Lisa's note: Judge Greer LIED and "found" Terri in a "persistent
vegetative state" in clear violation of the Florida statue, which
defines the term, "persistent vegetative state":

"Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible
condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a)  The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any
kind.

(b)  An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the
environment.

[Real Player is needed to view the videos.]

(The video entitled, "Asked to open her eyes" allows you to see and
hear the examination. When she opened her eyes on command, the doctor
said, There you go, good. Good! (Laughing) Good job! Good job, young
lady, good job!)

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]


Terri did not have a heart attack. There were no cardiac enzymes in
her blood, and no abnormalities in her EKG.

Terri was admitted into the emergency room with a very, very stiff
neck consistent with brand new injury to her neck.

[Lisa's note: Testimony given at a 2002 evidentiary hearing revealed
that Terri was presented at the emergency room with
an "extraordinarily rigid neck" described by one physician
as "consistent with attempted strangulation." See: Court to hear
petition to remove husband as guardian]

Dr. Hammesfahr had seen the combination of injuries Terri suffered
(spinal cord injury, brain injury, and neck injury) one other time.
That was in an attempted strangulation case.

A police report was sent to homicide. There was no follow-up; no
investigation by police. Dr. Hammesfahr said Terri's situation is
unique. He consistently sees wrong things happen to Terri. There is
no law enforcement follow-up now for fear of stepping on toes.

[Lisa's note: There is no law enforcement because the police fear the
people "in high places" who are trying to pull off this very
obviously ILLEGAL murder plot. Everyone closely involved with this
case knows that the plan to kill Terri is a government operation, and
they are either actively helping them with this agenda or passively
helping them by refusing to stand in their way.]

Terri's bone scan revealed Terri was a victim of multiple traumas -
doctors were mandated to report it. There was no history of trauma
prior to her marrying Michael. The fractures had to happen after
marrying him. First lumbar vertebra fracture is common when thrown
against a table.

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery! Of course this is illegal too, but he trusts
the governmental euthanasia planners to see to it that he suffers no
repercussions for habitually breaking laws in order to harm Terri.]

Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions
fail someone in so many ways.

[Lisa's note: When an extremely important facet of The Plan is in
process, everyone falls into step...or else. Some, however, fear God
more than certain governmental officials with satanic agendas.]

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Judge Greer would not allow an eye examination, even though she is
legally blind. She can only see objects 12 to 18 inches away.

[Lisa's note: Terri would be more responsive with eyeglasses. Of
course such increased responsiveness would conflict with the
judge's "finding" that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state, so
Terri is not permitted any help with her visual difficulties.]

She is isolated even though her condition demands sensory input.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's insistence upon Terri being
(illegally) kept in isolation is all for the purpose of making her
appear as "vegetative" as they possibly can. Even with such
outrageous abuse, Terri is still much too responsive for the
euthanasia planners' comfort level.]

Terri's medical records, which are legal documents, were falsified.
Detailed records of Terri's responsiveness were thrown away. Nurses
who were not even on duty wrote fraudulent reports as though they had
been caring for Terri.

[Lisa's note: Truth is an enemy when a "persistent vegetative state"
agenda is being imposed on a person who is not in such a state.]

Why is it that Terri has to prove herself worthy of living? This is
against the law in Florida. She is not in a persistent vegetative
state. She is not terminal, even though she has been (illegally) in a
hospice.

[Lisa's note: It is all about conditioning for the global government
which is being instituted in stages in the United States. Worthy
people (people who further the globalist agenda) live, the unworthy
(people who do not further the globalist agenda) are deemed worthy of
death. People are being conditioned to think of life and death in
these terms.]


(If the judge were to order a swallowing test, strict care would be
needed to ensure Terri were not sedated to the point she could not
swallow. )

[Lisa's note: Excellent point. Terri could be sedated at times it
is "crucial" for her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, such as
during examinations. Perhaps she is sedated on the whim of the people
managing her care. (This could be the main reason Michael will not
permit Terri's parents to see her medical records!) If Terri is
sedated, it is easier for them continue to perpetrate
their "persistent vegetative state" ruse. I think it is amazing that
even with all these ploys against her, Terri's natural beauty still
shines through.]

(This is not about letting her die because she is not dying. This is
about deliberately killing her: Murder.)

[Lisa's note: This is about seeking to murder Terri Schiavo, but it
is more. It is a crucial test to see how much euthanasia conditioning
the American people have already succumbed to. The euthanasia
planners have broken laws, manipulated Terri's care and records to
cause her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, and aided and
abetted Michael in committing felonies, in order to try to have a
targeted individual killed. What are you going to do about it?]


Dr. Hammesfahrs contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/
E-mail address hnihelp@...
Phone number 1-800-673-6400



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Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

Startling details about Terri Schindler Schiavo Revealed!

Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance Newsletter January 8, 2004

Notes on Wednesday nights' interview (1/7/04) with neurologist,
William Hammesfahr, MD.

WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, MD was interviewed Wednesday night on
Highway2health.net by Ron Panzer, President of Hospice Patients
Alliance. Dr. Hammesfahr is board certified in neurology and pain
management. He has spent many hours directly with Terri Schiavo and
reviewed the medical records directly. Dr. Hammesfahr unequivocally
stated that Terri is absolutely NOT in a persistent vegetative state
and definitely responds to instructions from those around her, that
she makes choices and shows decision-making ability in how she
responds.

Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the medical record was in a state of
shambles when it was given, that it was out of order by date and that
much of the medical record was never given to the Schindlers or Dr.
Hammesfahr! NEVER! Dr. Hammesfahr stated that there are notes in the
medical record by nurses who were NOT working at the time they stated
they were caring for Terri. Also, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that parts of
the medical record were completely missing! Dr. Hammesfahr explained
that Terri's blood sugar level upon admission to the hospital was
about 400 (373). When asked why it would be that high, since Terri
was NOT and is not a diabetic, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
emergency medical technicians who arrived by ambulance probably gave
Terri D-5-W, a dextrose in water solution. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed
that EMTs would check a patient's blood glucose level as part of
their routine, when assessing a patient like Terri who had collapsed.
The only reason they would give D-5-W would likely be that they
discovered upon testing Terri, that her blood sugar was LOW at the
time of the collapse. Since Terri was not HYPO-glycemic and was not
diabetic, a POSSIBLE explanation for Terri having LOW blood sugar at
the time of her collapse is that she may have been injected with
insulin.

Noted, of course, was the sworn AFFIDAVIT/testimony of a nurse who
cared for Terri later on in the early 1990s, that Terri was found
shaking, pale and agitated after a visit by Michael Schiavo. In that
nurse's affidavit, the nurse stated that she found a vial of insulin
in Terri's PRIVATE room. Since Terri did not have diabetes, there
would be no reason for a vial of insulin to be in the garbage can in
her room at the nursing home. Dr. Hammesfahr and I agreed that we had
never seen any nurse or physician bring a vial of insulin into a
patient's room when administering insulin. The standard of practice
is to prepare a medication beforehand at the nurse's station, note
what medication is given in the medication administration record, and
then bring the syringe with the insulin in it to the patient, but NOT
the vial.

That a vial of insulin was found in Terri's room is not normal
practice even if Terri were getting insulin, but she was NOT and
never was on insulin! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that, although Michael
Schiavo admits to "shaking Terri up" Terri's injuries and condition
are not explainable due to anyone shaking her head ... that her
clinical condition would have been different if that was the sole
cause of her brain injury. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the type of
injury and clinical condition Terri had at the time of her collapse
could be explained by a possible strangulation attempt and/or an
insulin injection combined with some form of attack or trauma.

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that no police investigation was done to
look into Terri's condition, even after a bone scan (13 months after
her collapse) revealed multiple TRAUMA and broken bones. Dr.
Hammesfahr stated that the broken bones could NOT be explained by any
form of bone disease, that these were ABSOLUTELY broken bones and
that it must have been done through trauma, injury to her. Dr.
Hammesfahr said that other physicians had also come to the same
conclusion. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Michael Schiavo kept these
bone scans and other medical records secret for over a DECADE. [They
were only released in 2002!]

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of
the heart but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her. He stated that Terri
had marked injury to her neck which still exists today, and that he
has only seen a similar injury, with spinal cord involvement as well
as brain injury, in one case where a patient had been strangled. He
stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her spine, which he stated is
common among persons being thrown against a table, for example. Dr.
Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in the
very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE
Michael got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that
after Michael got the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that in the early years, Terri had had a very
small device surgically implanted into her brain to provide
therapeutic very low dosages of electrical stimulation to the brain,
which could help Terri, and which DID help Terri when it was first
started. However, after Michael got the money, Michael did not allow
further attempts to help Terri in this way. In addition, Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that the device (or any device) implanted, would
normally be carefully monitored so that no infection would occur and
no harm come to the patient. However, in Terri's case that was not
done and has not been done.

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri was also tested with balloons
to see if she would follow the balloon with her eyes and head when
instructed to do so. Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri did follow
the balloons when instructed, and that she did so, even though
turning her head far enough to the side caused her pain. He pointed
out that reflex actions are usually to avoid pain, but in Terri's
case she turned her head into painful positions in order to follow
the instructions of the physician testing her. Dr. Hammesfahr
confirmed that several experts in neurology agree that Terri could
improve, can improve and that everything that should be done for her
is NOT being done. In fact, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
isolation and deliberate removal of all stimulation from Terri is
harming Terri, depriving her of the input and stimulation which would
help her reach a higher cognitive level and ability. He stated that
Terri should be getting much exposure to sights, sounds and other
forms of rehabilitation.

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that Dr. Ronald Cranford (who testified for
Michael Schiavo and George Felos' side - the right to die agenda) ...
that Dr. Cranford was NOT a neurologist and was not an expert in the
field. Also, that Dr. Cranford spent less than ONE hour with Terri
totally! Yet the court relied on Dr. Cranford's testimony, rather
than several other neurologists, including Dr. Hammesfahr. [The court
was not gathering information in order to rule based on fact, it was
simply following an agenda.]

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that as a physician and a person, he is
outraged at the mistreatment Terri is receiving and that the denial
of rehabilitation for Terri violates the standards of medical
practice! He can be contacted at: William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. 600
Druid Road East Clearwater, Florida 34616 Tel: 727.461.4464 [end of
notes on the interview - Ron Panzer]

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

To:  Florida House of Representatives
Whereas the Florida Constitution Article III Section 17 provides for
the impeachment of judges for misdemeanor in office, misdemeanor
being defined as a misdeed or offense less than a felony.

Whereas Judge George W. Greer is a judge in the 6th circuit court of
Florida and bound to rule in agreement with Florida Statutes and the
Judicial Code of Ethics,

The undersigned are petitioning Florida House Speaker Johnnie Byrd
and the Florida House of Representatives to impeach Judge George W.
Greer pursuant to the provisions in the Florida Constitution for the
following violations of Statutes and Judicial Canons, which prove
justification for impeachment.

Judge George W. Greer has caused public confidence in the judiciary
to deteriorate due to his rulings regarding Terri Schiavo and thus
violated Judicial Canon 1.

Judge George W. Greer has made rulings, which advance the private
interests of Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Senate President Jim
King by allowing the statutes, which apply, to persons with terminal
illness to order the death of Terri Schiavo by dehydration and
starvation at the request of Michael Schiavo and thus is in violation
of Judicial Canon 2B.

Judge George W. Greer has not ruled according to law in the case of
whether to remove Terri Schiavo's tube by which she receives
nutrition and hydration. The rulings, which are inconsistent with
Florida Statutes and Constitution, are:

1. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(2 ) for failure to discharge his
duties as guardian. The statute requires that the guardian protect
the rights of the ward, provide for her health and safety, properly
manage her financial resources and help her regain her abilities to
the maximum extent possible.

2. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(3) for abuse of his powers as
evidenced by his denying her any significant sensory stimulation and
his efforts to have her life ended.

3. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(7) for wasting, embezzlement, or
other mismanagement of the ward's property, one example is Michael's
statement on national television that he had Terri's wedding rings
melted down and made into jewelry for himself.

4. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(11) because of a conflict of
interest between the ward and the guardian due to Michael Schiavo
living with and fathering children with another woman.

5. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(13) for failure to comply with
the guardianship report.

6. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(14) for failure to file annual
guardianship reports in a timely manner.

7. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(16) for improperly managing the
ward's assets by using Terri's money which was awarded by a court to
be used for her rehabilitation but at the authorization of Judge
Greer is being used to pay legal fees in an effort to end Terri's
life.

8. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(17) because there has been a
significant change in Terri's assets due to the actions of her
guardian. Terri's assets have likely increased since her accident and
Michael Schiavo is denying Terri the benefit of any assets accrued
after the malpractice award which would be equally hers as Michael's
legal spouse.

9. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(18) because Michael's adulterous
relationship (which is a misdemeanor under Florida law) with another
woman ought to disqualify Michael as a suitable guardian for Terri as
the interest which Michael said (in malpractice trial court
proceedings) he had toward Terri is directed to another woman who is
not his wife and has two children by said other woman of whom he is
the father.

10. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian and has aided Michael in abusing, neglecting, and exploiting
Terri, a vulnerable adult, by appropriating funds that were awarded
for her rehabilitation to pay legal fees, and has aided in exploiting
Terri by denying the money to be used for her benefit. Both these
infractions were committed with the
knowledge that Terri lacked the capacity to consent and explained in
detail in Florida Statute 415.102.

11. Judge Greer's rulings to date have deprived Terri Schiavo of her
constitutional right to enjoy and defend life and liberty, to pursue
happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and
protect property which are detailed in Section 2 of the Florida
Constitution by ordering her life to be ended by denying her
hydration and nutrition.

12. Judge Greer has deprived Terri of her constitutional religious
rights by allowing Michael Schiavo to prevent Monsignor Malonowski
from visiting Terri, by allowing Michael to prevent Monsignor
Malinowski from administering last rites when her feeding tube was
removed in October 2003, and by allowing Michael to prevent Terri's
blood relatives from placing pictures of religious figures in her
room.

13. Judge Greer has allowed Terri's constitutional right to privacy
to be violated by Michael Schiavo by not restricting his comments
during interviews on national television.

14. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215C(a) To have
an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

15. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(b) (b) to
have continuing review of the need for restriction of her rights.

16. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right to be restored to
capacity, FL statute 744.3215C.

17. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(d) (d) to
be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected
against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

18. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(e) to have
a qualified guardian.

19. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(f) to
remain as independent as possible, including having her preference as
to place and standard of living honored, either as she expressed or
demonstrated her preference prior to the determination of his or her
incapacity or as she currently expresses her preference, insofar as
such request is reasonable.

20. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (g) to be
properly educated. She is not receiving any rehabilitative therapy.

21. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (h) to
receive prudent financial management for her property and to be
informed how her property is being managed. Michael Schiavo stated on
national television that he melted Terri's wedding rings down and had
them made into jewelry for himself.

22. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (i) to
receive necessary services and rehabilitation. Judge Greer has
allowed Michael to deprive Terri of the same. She did not have a
working wheelchair for an extended and unnecessarily long period of
time.

23. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (k) to have
access to the courts. Judge Greer has relied upon the testimony of
others related to Michael Schiavo as to Terri's condition yet ignored
the testimony of her blood relatives which was contradictory to
information provided by Michael and his family.

24. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(l) to
counsel.

25. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(m) to
receive visitors and communicate with others.

26. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(a) by allowing
Terri to be moved to different facilities without prior approval of
the court.

27. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(b) not requiring
Michael to have follow up examinations of electrodes, which were
implanted in Terri's brain. These implants should have been removed
years ago, as they are a source for both infection and hydrocephalus.
Hydrocephalus may cause pressure that could suppress cognitive
function and be responsible for much of Terri's condition. If so,
there could be a vast improvement in her condition if a shunt were
placed. Hydrocephalus could also cause pressure that would flatten
the brain and show fluid filled areas on a brain scan.

28. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to violate a court order stating
that he is to keep Terri's family advised of her medical condition.

29. Judge Greer has ignored Terri's right under 765.102(5)(a) to
palliative care which addresses physical, psychological, social,
spiritual, and existential needs of patients.

30. Judge Greer has not required Michael Schiavo to implement a plan
which would provide for Terri's needs under 765.102(5)(a).

31. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to neglect Guardianship
Education, which is a requirement under Florida law.

32. Judge Greer relied on Dr. Ronald Cranford's definition of PVS
(Persistent Vegetative State) instead of the legal definition
contained in the Florida Statutes. There were several doctors who
gave reports that Terri is not PVS but Greer decided not to use the
Florida Statute's definition.

33. Judge Greer has failed to be impartial and has ignored testimony
and evidence presented by Counsel for Terri's natural family and has
consistently ruled in agreement with Counsel for Michael Schiavo.

34. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to continue denying visitation to
Terri's family even though a police investigation found that they
were not responsible for marks found on her arm.

35. Judge Greer in his February 11, 2000 Order, committed malpractice
by
misdiagnosing Terri as being an unconscious and unaware person and
then ordered the Guardian of the Ward to commit a 1st Degree Felony
Crime by removing Terri's feeding tube and denying her constitutional
and legal right to be protected and not feloniously victimized by
being caused to die.

35. Judge Greer authorized the euthanization of Terri Schiavo by
authorizing the removal of her feeding tube when she does not fit the
definition of PVS under Florida statutes. Euthanasia is illegal in
Florida.

36. Judge Greer has violated the Americans With Disabilities Act
(ADA), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101 provides that necessary and
appropriate rehabilitation services and physical/motor skill therapy
may not be denied a substantially disabled patient in the United
States of America.

37. Judge Greer has violated the ADA Cf 28 CFR, Ch 1, Subpart B, Sect
35.130 States "Nothing in the Act or this part authorizes the
representative or guardian of an individual with a disability to
decline food, water, medical treatment, or medical services for that
individual."

38. Judge Greer has violated FS 38.10 four times by not disqualifying
himself from the case when it was requested. The statute states
whenever a party to any action or proceeding makes and files an
affidavit stating fear that he or she will not receive a fair trial
in the court where the suit is pending on account of the prejudice of
the judge of that court against the applicant or in favor of the
adverse party, the judge shall proceed no further, but another judge
shall be designated in the manner prescribed by the laws of this
state for the substitution of judges for the trial of causes in which
the presiding judge is disqualified.


The rulings and actions listed above are in violation of Judicial
Canon 3B(2)

Judge Greer has violated Judicial Canon 3B(4) as seen in a video clip
of a court proceeding where Judge Greer was visibly impatient and
angry during court proceedings. The video can be viewed at this url.
http://real.scripps.com:8480/ramgen/tampalive/news/2003/11/1105schiavo
.rm

Judge Greer should be investigating whether any life insurance
policies have been purchased or other investments made with funds
intended for Terri, which would cause Michael Schiavo to profit from
her death.

Judge Greer serves on the Committee for Guardianship Monitoring but
is, in fact, violating the intentions and guidelines established by
the Committee. Information concerning the Committee for Guardianship
Monitoring may be found at this url
http://www.flcourts.org/osca/divisions/Guardian/guardianshipmonitoring
.pdf

1. Judge Greer has neglected the mission of guardianship monitoring
in Terri's case.The mission of guardianship monitoring is to collect,
provide, and evaluate information about the well-being and property
of all persons adjudicated of having a legal incapacity so that the
court can fulfill its legal obligation to protect and preserve the
interests of the ward, and thereby promote confidence in the judicial
process.

2. Page 5 of the document contains "Thus, the court must be proactive
to discover and respond to disputes and issues." Judge Greer has
intentionally ignored disputed issues in Terri's case and not made
any ruling to correct them.

3. On page 6 of the document is this statement "An ideal guardianship
monitoring program encompasses four major service areas: (1) initial
and on-going screening and reviewing of guardians; (2) reporting on
the well-being of the ward; (3) reporting on the protection of the
ward's assets; and (4) case administration." Judge Greer's flagrant
oversight of Michael Shiavo's violations of the statutes pertaining
to guardians is certainly no example for any monitoring program.

4. It is unclear whether Judge Greer has required Michael Schiavo to
meet all the requirements of a guardian (listed on page 6 of the
document). "A family member guardian is required to hire an attorney,
provide detailed personal information, undergo a credit check, post a
fiduciary's bond, attend an 8-hour training course, and file detailed
initial and annual personal and financial reports."

5. Pinellas County employees a full time monitoring staff, which
reviews cases to make sure guardianship plans are being filed and
followed. It would not have been possible for them to give approval
of the plan for Terri since the guardianship plans have not been an
important issue with Judge Greer evidenced by his granting Michael
extensions to file the plan. Judge Greer is deliberately undermining
the guardianship monitoring program which was established to make
sure that all wards receive the protection they are entitled to by
the law.

6. Judge Greer did not adhere to the monitoring guidelines which
state that "in cases where it appears there is substantial likelihood
for serious irreparable harm (similar to the injunctive relief
standard), immediate action steps by the court should include but not
be limited to: Filing an abuse, neglect, or exploitation complaint
with the Department of Children and Families, as required by statute,
referral to local law enforcement agencies or the state attorney and,
conducting immediate hearings among several other possible actions.
Terri is at risk of irreparable harm as long as Michael is her
guardian. He didn't want to treat her for an infection, has not had
preventive health care examinations for her and stated on national
television that he would do whatever it takes to have her feeding
tube removed. Michael also stated during the same interview that
Terri's teeth were fine but recently she is missing several teeth.

Judge Greer's rulings ought to be thrown out due to all these
violations and the Supreme Court ruling on May 18, 2004 that states
may be liable for money damages for denying disabled persons access
to the court.

Terri's feeding tube can only be removed "if" she is PVS and Judge
Greer's ruling is based on a definition not contained in the Florida
Statutes. This is an outrageous liberty which Judge Greer has taken
and combined with the other violations of statutes there is no
question that he should be removed from his duties immediately.

We urge Florida Speaker of the House Johnnie Byrd and the Florida
House of Representatives to begin immediate impeachment proceedings
against Judge George W. Greer of the Sixth Judicial Circuit of
Florida for the violations contained in this petition.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned



http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html

Petition to Governor Jeb Bush to Remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
Guardian And Open a Full Criminal Investigation.

Dear Governor Bush:
Thank you for implementing Terri's Law and your ongoing support for
her right to life. In light of the evidence in this case, we believe
your actions were both heroic and necessary. In light of the evidence
of criminal action by her husband, we respectfully request that you
immediately commence proceedings to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
legal guardian and open a criminal investigation based on the
following:

1) Bone scans and medical records from 1990 indicate severe trauma,
numerous broken bones; no criminal investigation has ever been
conducted. A review of these records by top US Forensic Pathologist
Michael Baden concluded that a criminal investigation should be
conducted.

2) Michael Schiavo defrauded the courts by promising to care for
Terri for the rest of his life and then used the jury awarded $700
thousand specifically designated for Terri's rehabilitation for his
own personal gain and to end Terri's life. This also violates Fl
Statute. 825.103 "Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled
adult" which prohibits the misuse of a disabled person's funds by the
guardian.

3) Further, Section (2)(a) states that If the funds, assets, or
property involved in the exploitation of the elderly person or
disabled adult is valued at $100,000 or more, the offender commits a
felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s.
775.083, or s. 775.084.

4)The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101
provides that necessary and appropriate rehabilitation services and
physical/motor skill therapy may not be denied a substantially
disabled patient in the United States of America.

5) Cf 28 CFR, Ch 1, Subpart B, Sect 35.130 States "Nothing in the Act
or this part authorizes the representative or guardian of an
individual with a disability to decline food, water, medical
treatment, or medical services for that individual."

6)Failure to Discharge His Duties under FS § 744.474 (2) requires
that the guardian protect the rights of the ward, provide for her
health and safety, properly manage her financial resources and help
her regain her abilities to the maximum extent possible.

7)The initial move to Hospice was done in violation of the annual
plan and without court permission in violation of FS § 744.3215(4)].

Terri has the right to receive visitors and communicate with others.
FS § 744.3215

9) Terri has the right to receive "palliative care" which is the
comprehensive management of the physical, psychological, social,
spiritual, and existential needs of the patient. FS. § 765.102.

10) In 1990, Michael took Terri to San Francisco for experimental
medical treatment, without the necessary prior approval of the Court.
FS. § 744.3215(4).

11) The guardian is required by law to prepare and present an annual
plan. FS § 744.3675.Repeatedly, the annual plans have been filed late
or not at all

12) In his annual reports, Schiavo has failed to prepare and present
any plan for the provision of medical, mental health, and
rehabilitative services in the coming year as required by FS
§744.3675 (1)(b)(3)

13) The Adult Protective Services Act (Chapter 415 of the Florida
Statutes) affords protection to disabled persons from abuse, neglect
and exploitation

14) Fla. Stat. § 415. 102(1)(2002). Schiavo's isolation of Terri and
refusal to provide adequate physician attention, rehabilitative
services, dental care and other medical services constitutes abuse
under the Adult Protective Services Act as well as the guardianship
statutes.

15) Schiavo's decision to hold Terri at Hospice after it was clear
that she was not "terminal" within Medicare guidelines was an
improper use of the ward's assets. In order to receive federal
payment for hospice care, the facility must obtain a certification
from the attending physician within two calendar days of initial
admission that the patient's "prognosis is for a life expectancy of 6
months or less if the terminal illness runs its normal course." 42
C.F.R. § 418.22 (2001) Terri has been in Hospice 3 years.

Governor Bush, the Florida courts, DCF and Adult Protective Services
have failed to do their job of protecting Terri's rights. Please
exercise your executive power to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri's
legal guardian at once, appointing her as a ward of the State under
your care and demand a full investigation through every possible
legal authority, including Federal Investigative Assistance if
necessary. Thank you.
[Lisa's note: Mr. and Mrs. Schindler wish to have Bobby Schindler,
Jr. appointed as Terri's permanent guardian in place of Michael
Schiavo.]


written by Gordon Watts

This was copied from link below:

http://libertytothecaptives.net/michael_schiavo_remove_criminal_invest
igation.html

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This came from http://www.zimp.org

Violations Against
Terri Schindler-Schiavo
under Florida Law


744.3215  Rights of persons determined incapacitated.

(1)  A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the
right:

(a)  To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

(VIOLATED – Her husband/guardian has failed to file such plans
for a number of years. During the years in which he DID submit the
required plan, he entered such things as "NONE" for his plan of
action.)


(b)  To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or
her rights.

(VIOLATED – The guardian courts have not required her
husband/guardian to file such reports mentioned above and no
consistent continuing review has taken place because of that.)



(c)  To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo has not received therapy since prior to
the 1992 medical malpractice settlement in her favor which was
intended to facilitate such therapy.)



(d)  To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be
protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

(VIOLATED – deliberate acts of omission [including humane care
and food and water] are considered felony abuse under the law. Terri
has been denied food and water on two occasions and simple treatment
for infections which could prove fatal without proper treatment.)



(e)  To have a qualified guardian.

(VIOLATED – her husband/guardian is no longer qualified for his
failure to comply with Florida law requiring annual review of
guardianship, failure to properly maintain the property of the ward,
failure to comply with the ward's retained rights to necessary
services and living in open adultery which is a misdemeanor under
Florida law.)



(f)  To remain as independent as possible, including having his or
her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as
he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to
the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently
expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is
reasonable.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo is wrongfully confined to a Hospice
facility and further confined to a single room without social
interaction, stimulation and human company. She is not permitted in
common areas of the facility, nor is she permitted outside of the
facility under the orders of her husband/guardian)



(g)  To be properly educated.

(VIOLATED – Terri has not received speech therapy which could
enable her to communicate more effective and to manage table food. It
is also believed that she has not received help in learning any other
protocol (such as blinking) to assist her in communicating more
effectively.)



(h)  To receive prudent financial management for his or her property
and to be informed how his or her property is being managed, if he or
she has lost the right to manage property.

(VIOLATED – Terri's medical management fund has been all but
depleted on legal fees in the pursuit of her death. More than half a
million dollars has been paid to one attorney in particular. There is
no evidence that Terri would have managed her funds in this way nor
given any consent to such.)



(i)  To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo has not received proper physical,
occupational, speech or range of motion therapy. She has been denied
treatment for simple infections and she has been denied
hospitalization necessitated by serious illness.)



(l)  To counsel.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo was never represented during the
duration of the guardianship proceedings and did not have a Florida
required Guardian ad Litem assigned to represent her during the
majority of the proceedings.)




(m)  To receive visitors and communicate with others.

(VIOLATED – Terri's visitor list is strictly managed by her
husband/guardian who has, a number of times, barred her family, her
friends and her spiritual counsel from visiting her, without the
court's prior approval and on personal whim.)



(n)  To notice of all proceedings related to determination of
capacity and guardianship, unless the court finds the incapacitated
person lacks the ability to comprehend the notice.

(VIOLATED – Terri has not been legally represented in any of the
guardianship proceedings and has received no counsel.)



(4)  Without first obtaining specific authority from the court, as
described in s. 744.3725, a guardian may not:

(a)  Commit the ward to a facility, institution, or licensed service
provider without formal placement proceeding, pursuant to chapter
393, chapter 394, or chapter 397.

(VIOLATED – Terri was admitted to a Hospice facility in 2000
without prior court approval and in violation of Federal laws
pertaining to Hospice confinement qualifications.)



(b)  Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance on the ward of
any experimental biomedical or behavioral procedure or to the
participation by the ward in any biomedical or behavioral experiment.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo was subjected to experimental implant
surgery in 1993 without prior court approval and without
recommendation of her attending physician. Additionally, she was
transported across state lines for said surgery. Follow up care was
never provided and no further maintenance services have ever been
provided for the implanted electrodes.)



744.2025  Change of ward's residence.

(1)  PRIOR COURT APPROVAL REQUIRED.--A guardian who has power
pursuant to this chapter to determine the residence of the ward may
not, without court approval, change the residence of the ward from
this state to another, or from one county of this state to another
county of this state, unless such county is adjacent to the county of
the ward's current residence. Any guardian who wishes to remove the
ward from the ward's current county of residence to another county
which is not adjacent to the ward's current county of residence must
obtain court approval prior to removal of the ward.

(VIOLATED – Terri Schiavo was moved to a Hospice facility in 2000
by her husband without prior court approval. The Hospice House in
question was served by his attorney, George Felos, in the capacity of
Chairman up until that same time.)



744.3145  Guardian education requirements

(4)  Each person appointed by the court to be a guardian must
complete the required number of hours of instruction and education
within 1 year after his or her appointment as guardian.

(VIOLATED – See Above.)



798.01  Living in open adultery

Whoever lives in an open state of adultery shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s.
775.082 or s. 775.083. Where either of the parties living in an open
state of adultery is married, both parties so living shall be deemed
to be guilty of the offense provided for in this section.

(VIOLATED – Michael Schiavo has cohabitated and fathered children
with another woman while still married to Terri Schiavo.)



825.102 – Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of Elderly Persons and
Disabled Adults.



(1)  "Abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:

(a)  Intentional infliction of physical or psychological injury upon
an elderly person or disabled adult;

(VIOLATED – Physical injury by denial of simple procedures to
alleviate painful contractures of the hands and possible
disfigurement because of said contractures. Psychological abuse in
denial of company, stimulation, acts of caging.)



(b)  An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result
in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled
adult; or

(VIOLATED – Intentional denial of treatment for simple infection
with the knowledge that doing so would hasten death – 1993.)



(c)  Active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results
or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or
psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult.

(VIOLATED – By instructing caregivers not to provide relief of
contractures; by instructing doctors not to treat for simple
infection.)



A person who knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or
disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent
disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or
disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as
provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(2)  "Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" occurs
when a person:

(a)  Commits aggravated battery on an elderly person or disabled
adult;

(b)  Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and
unlawfully cages, an elderly person or disabled adult;

(VIOLATED – Denial of human comfort and spiritual comfort at
personal whim. Terri Schiavo is also wrongfully caged, kept confined
to a single room and without stimulation or ability to be taken
outside.)



(c)  Knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled
adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability,
or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult.

(VIOLATED – Terri suffers from severe contractures in her hands
because of lack of care.)



1.  A caregiver's failure or omission to provide an elderly person or
disabled adult with the care, supervision, and services necessary to
maintain the elderly person's or disabled adult's physical and mental
health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing,
shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent
person would consider essential for the well-being of the elderly
person or disabled adult; or

(VIOLATED – Denial of treatment of simple infection which would,
on Schiavo's own admission, hasten death, removal of food and water,
denial of medicine.)



2.  A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect an
elderly person or disabled adult from abuse, neglect, or exploitation
by another person.

(VIOLATED – The results of a 1991 bone scan, indicating multiple
and serious trauma to Terri's body were never reported or
investigated by her husband/guardian.)



825.103  Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled adult;
penalties.



(2)(a)  If the funds, assets, or property involved in the
exploitation of the elderly person or disabled adult is valued at
$100,000 or more, the offender commits a felony of the first degree,
punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(VIOLATED – Funds that were awarded to Terri Schiavo have been
spent down by Michael Schiavo to pay his legal fees. These funds were
awarded to Terri Schiavo as a medical management/rehabilitation
settlement and remain her property. Her guardian has all but wasted
her entire estate on his own legal pursuits.)



Heard enough?



Contact the Florida Judicial Qualifications Commission
http://www.flcourts.org/pubinfo/jqc/index.html

And tell them to remove Judge George Greer from the bench for failure
to discharge his duties as a guardianship jurist.

850-488-1581



Contact the Agency for Health Care Administration
http://www.fdhc.state.fl.us/index.shtml

888-419-3456

And tell them to investigate allegations of Abuse and Neglect against
Terri Schiavo



Contact the Department of Children and Families
http://www.state.fl.us/cf_web/

800-96-ABUSE

And tell them to provide protective custody for a disabled and
vulnerable citizen of Florida.



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Post From Free Republic:

Tomorrow (August 25, 2004), Highway 2 Health will present a special
broadcast dealing with the Terri Schiavo situation in Florida.

Host Peter Kawaja will present an open line forum to discuss both the
legal aspects and the human impact of Terri's case.

Scheduled to appear are Terri's father, Robert Schindler, Sr. and
Pamela Hennessy of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation.

You can tune in from 10.00 pm until 12.00 midnight at
http://highway2health.net/arch_1.htm

(The show may run longer than midnight!)  Record it if you can!

Highway 2 Health is brought to you by Tropic Wave Radio and deals
with healthcare and ethical issues of every type.

Please join us for this very important program.

Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2004

Time: 10.00pm ET (GMT-5)

Will last until at least midnight EDT or longer!

Place: http://highway2health.net

and http://highway2health.net/arch_1.htm

Dr. Hammesfahr (world reknowned Neurologist), examined Terri Schiavo
in May, 2002 (his report is dated September 12, 2002)
See his report here:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

He also testified in court on behalf of Terri's family, the
Schindlers.

Here are notes from an interview with Dr. Hammesfahr, which was
broadcast on Highway2Health, an online radio program, on January 7,
2004.  Margaret Juneman took notes during this interview.  Joe and
Margaret Juneman added notes in parenthesis.  Lisa Ruby added her own
notes in brackets.  At the end of the notes by Joe and Margaret (with
comments by Lisa), you will see Ron Panzer's notes which appeared in
his Hospice Patients Alliance (HPA) Newsletter the following day
(January 8, 2003).

You can see these notes here:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

(You must copy and paste each separate line into your address bar to
get the above link to work, since it is too long to show up right on
this site).

Note:  You must now pay to get access to the audio interview from
Highway2health.


Here are the notes:


Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

Listen to the archived 01/07/04  Highway2Health broadcast with Dr.
William Hammesfahr

Margaret Juneman's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

These are notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet
broadcast featuring Dr. Hammesfahr on Highway2health.net.

These notes were written by Margaret Juneman. Parenthetical
statements were added by Joe and Margaret Juneman. [Lisa's comments
are included in brackets.]

Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully
to restore deficits caused by stroke. His technique is approved by
Medicare, and he was nominated in 1999 for a Nobel prize for this
work which he started in 1994.

Dr. Hammesfahr has great success. Most doctors think a brain injury
that has been there awhile is not treatable. He has had success with
these cases and he is convinced Terri would improve. (Improvement
should not be required for Terri to be allowed to live).

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's behavior indicates that he is also
convinced Terri would improve. He is so sure Terri would improve with
therapy that he not only illegally prevents her from receiving
rehabilitation, but he keeps her under armed guard for fear someone
will give her  unauthorized sensory input! The phony persistent
vegetative state ruse is being maintained at all cost. It is no
wonder that Michael, with the blessings and protection of the court,
defies Florida law by denying Terri her legal right to
rehabilitation.]

According to Dr. William Hammesfahr, world renowned neurologist:

Terri's feeding tube is for the convenience of nurses; not because
Terri needs it. Terri does not drool. Liquid is the hardest thing to
swallow, and she swallows 1½ to 2 liters of saliva a day.

Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state or coma. She is a
living, thinking person who makes choices and decisions. This is
terrible. They are trying to kill her. While Dr. Hammesfahr was
examining her, he observed Terri chose to ignore her husband Michael
and the person taking the video.

When Terri heard her mother's voice, she smiled and tracked her.
Terri moved her arms and legs as Dr. Hammesfahr requested her to.

[Lisa's note: Dr. Hammesfahr mentioned that during his ten hour
examination, Terri responded well to verbal requests to move, and
even moved to the point where it caused her pain in order to comply
with a request. He indicated that such movements are definitely not
reflexive.]

(Videotapes show Terri reacting to people. These are at
terrisfight.org. Scroll down to Videos of Terri.) A persistent
vegetative state, by definition, allows no awareness of the world or
ability to interact with the world.

[Lisa's note: Judge Greer LIED and "found" Terri in a "persistent
vegetative state" in clear violation of the Florida statue, which
defines the term, "persistent vegetative state":

"Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible
condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a)  The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any
kind.

(b)  An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the
environment.

[Real Player is needed to view the videos.]

(The video entitled, "Asked to open her eyes" allows you to see and
hear the examination. When she opened her eyes on command, the doctor
said, There you go, good. Good! (Laughing) Good job! Good job, young
lady, good job!)

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]


Terri did not have a heart attack. There were no cardiac enzymes in
her blood, and no abnormalities in her EKG.

Terri was admitted into the emergency room with a very, very stiff
neck consistent with brand new injury to her neck.

[Lisa's note: Testimony given at a 2002 evidentiary hearing revealed
that Terri was presented at the emergency room with
an "extraordinarily rigid neck" described by one physician
as "consistent with attempted strangulation." See: Court to hear
petition to remove husband as guardian]

Dr. Hammesfahr had seen the combination of injuries Terri suffered
(spinal cord injury, brain injury, and neck injury) one other time.
That was in an attempted strangulation case.

A police report was sent to homicide. There was no follow-up; no
investigation by police. Dr. Hammesfahr said Terri's situation is
unique. He consistently sees wrong things happen to Terri. There is
no law enforcement follow-up now for fear of stepping on toes.

[Lisa's note: There is no law enforcement because the police fear the
people "in high places" who are trying to pull off this very
obviously ILLEGAL murder plot. Everyone closely involved with this
case knows that the plan to kill Terri is a government operation, and
they are either actively helping them with this agenda or passively
helping them by refusing to stand in their way.]

Terri's bone scan revealed Terri was a victim of multiple traumas -
doctors were mandated to report it. There was no history of trauma
prior to her marrying Michael. The fractures had to happen after
marrying him. First lumbar vertebra fracture is common when thrown
against a table.

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery! Of course this is illegal too, but he trusts
the governmental euthanasia planners to see to it that he suffers no
repercussions for habitually breaking laws in order to harm Terri.]

Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions
fail someone in so many ways.

[Lisa's note: When an extremely important facet of The Plan is in
process, everyone falls into step...or else. Some, however, fear God
more than certain governmental officials with satanic agendas.]

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Judge Greer would not allow an eye examination, even though she is
legally blind. She can only see objects 12 to 18 inches away.

[Lisa's note: Terri would be more responsive with eyeglasses. Of
course such increased responsiveness would conflict with the
judge's "finding" that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state, so
Terri is not permitted any help with her visual difficulties.]

She is isolated even though her condition demands sensory input.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's insistence upon Terri being
(illegally) kept in isolation is all for the purpose of making her
appear as "vegetative" as they possibly can. Even with such
outrageous abuse, Terri is still much too responsive for the
euthanasia planners' comfort level.]

Terri's medical records, which are legal documents, were falsified.
Detailed records of Terri's responsiveness were thrown away. Nurses
who were not even on duty wrote fraudulent reports as though they had
been caring for Terri.

[Lisa's note: Truth is an enemy when a "persistent vegetative state"
agenda is being imposed on a person who is not in such a state.]

Why is it that Terri has to prove herself worthy of living? This is
against the law in Florida. She is not in a persistent vegetative
state. She is not terminal, even though she has been (illegally) in a
hospice.

[Lisa's note: It is all about conditioning for the global government
which is being instituted in stages in the United States. Worthy
people (people who further the globalist agenda) live, the unworthy
(people who do not further the globalist agenda) are deemed worthy of
death. People are being conditioned to think of life and death in
these terms.]


(If the judge were to order a swallowing test, strict care would be
needed to ensure Terri were not sedated to the point she could not
swallow. )

[Lisa's note: Excellent point. Terri could be sedated at times it
is "crucial" for her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, such as
during examinations. Perhaps she is sedated on the whim of the people
managing her care. (This could be the main reason Michael will not
permit Terri's parents to see her medical records!) If Terri is
sedated, it is easier for them continue to perpetrate
their "persistent vegetative state" ruse. I think it is amazing that
even with all these ploys against her, Terri's natural beauty still
shines through.]

(This is not about letting her die because she is not dying. This is
about deliberately killing her: Murder.)

[Lisa's note: This is about seeking to murder Terri Schiavo, but it
is more. It is a crucial test to see how much euthanasia conditioning
the American people have already succumbed to. The euthanasia
planners have broken laws, manipulated Terri's care and records to
cause her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, and aided and
abetted Michael in committing felonies, in order to try to have a
targeted individual killed. What are you going to do about it?]


Dr. Hammesfahrs contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/
E-mail address hnihelp@...
Phone number 1-800-673-6400



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Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

Startling details about Terri Schindler Schiavo Revealed!

Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance Newsletter January 8, 2004

Notes on Wednesday nights' interview (1/7/04) with neurologist,
William Hammesfahr, MD.

WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, MD was interviewed Wednesday night on
Highway2health.net by Ron Panzer, President of Hospice Patients
Alliance. Dr. Hammesfahr is board certified in neurology and pain
management. He has spent many hours directly with Terri Schiavo and
reviewed the medical records directly. Dr. Hammesfahr unequivocally
stated that Terri is absolutely NOT in a persistent vegetative state
and definitely responds to instructions from those around her, that
she makes choices and shows decision-making ability in how she
responds.

Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the medical record was in a state of
shambles when it was given, that it was out of order by date and that
much of the medical record was never given to the Schindlers or Dr.
Hammesfahr! NEVER! Dr. Hammesfahr stated that there are notes in the
medical record by nurses who were NOT working at the time they stated
they were caring for Terri. Also, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that parts of
the medical record were completely missing! Dr. Hammesfahr explained
that Terri's blood sugar level upon admission to the hospital was
about 400 (373). When asked why it would be that high, since Terri
was NOT and is not a diabetic, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
emergency medical technicians who arrived by ambulance probably gave
Terri D-5-W, a dextrose in water solution. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed
that EMTs would check a patient's blood glucose level as part of
their routine, when assessing a patient like Terri who had collapsed.
The only reason they would give D-5-W would likely be that they
discovered upon testing Terri, that her blood sugar was LOW at the
time of the collapse. Since Terri was not HYPO-glycemic and was not
diabetic, a POSSIBLE explanation for Terri having LOW blood sugar at
the time of her collapse is that she may have been injected with
insulin.

Noted, of course, was the sworn AFFIDAVIT/testimony of a nurse who
cared for Terri later on in the early 1990s, that Terri was found
shaking, pale and agitated after a visit by Michael Schiavo. In that
nurse's affidavit, the nurse stated that she found a vial of insulin
in Terri's PRIVATE room. Since Terri did not have diabetes, there
would be no reason for a vial of insulin to be in the garbage can in
her room at the nursing home. Dr. Hammesfahr and I agreed that we had
never seen any nurse or physician bring a vial of insulin into a
patient's room when administering insulin. The standard of practice
is to prepare a medication beforehand at the nurse's station, note
what medication is given in the medication administration record, and
then bring the syringe with the insulin in it to the patient, but NOT
the vial.

That a vial of insulin was found in Terri's room is not normal
practice even if Terri were getting insulin, but she was NOT and
never was on insulin! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that, although Michael
Schiavo admits to "shaking Terri up" Terri's injuries and condition
are not explainable due to anyone shaking her head ... that her
clinical condition would have been different if that was the sole
cause of her brain injury. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the type of
injury and clinical condition Terri had at the time of her collapse
could be explained by a possible strangulation attempt and/or an
insulin injection combined with some form of attack or trauma.

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that no police investigation was done to
look into Terri's condition, even after a bone scan (13 months after
her collapse) revealed multiple TRAUMA and broken bones. Dr.
Hammesfahr stated that the broken bones could NOT be explained by any
form of bone disease, that these were ABSOLUTELY broken bones and
that it must have been done through trauma, injury to her. Dr.
Hammesfahr said that other physicians had also come to the same
conclusion. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Michael Schiavo kept these
bone scans and other medical records secret for over a DECADE. [They
were only released in 2002!]

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of
the heart but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her. He stated that Terri
had marked injury to her neck which still exists today, and that he
has only seen a similar injury, with spinal cord involvement as well
as brain injury, in one case where a patient had been strangled. He
stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her spine, which he stated is
common among persons being thrown against a table, for example. Dr.
Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in the
very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE
Michael got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that
after Michael got the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that in the early years, Terri had had a very
small device surgically implanted into her brain to provide
therapeutic very low dosages of electrical stimulation to the brain,
which could help Terri, and which DID help Terri when it was first
started. However, after Michael got the money, Michael did not allow
further attempts to help Terri in this way. In addition, Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that the device (or any device) implanted, would
normally be carefully monitored so that no infection would occur and
no harm come to the patient. However, in Terri's case that was not
done and has not been done.

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri was also tested with balloons
to see if she would follow the balloon with her eyes and head when
instructed to do so. Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri did follow
the balloons when instructed, and that she did so, even though
turning her head far enough to the side caused her pain. He pointed
out that reflex actions are usually to avoid pain, but in Terri's
case she turned her head into painful positions in order to follow
the instructions of the physician testing her. Dr. Hammesfahr
confirmed that several experts in neurology agree that Terri could
improve, can improve and that everything that should be done for her
is NOT being done. In fact, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
isolation and deliberate removal of all stimulation from Terri is
harming Terri, depriving her of the input and stimulation which would
help her reach a higher cognitive level and ability. He stated that
Terri should be getting much exposure to sights, sounds and other
forms of rehabilitation.

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that Dr. Ronald Cranford (who testified for
Michael Schiavo and George Felos' side - the right to die agenda) ...
that Dr. Cranford was NOT a neurologist and was not an expert in the
field. Also, that Dr. Cranford spent less than ONE hour with Terri
totally! Yet the court relied on Dr. Cranford's testimony, rather
than several other neurologists, including Dr. Hammesfahr. [The court
was not gathering information in order to rule based on fact, it was
simply following an agenda.]

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that as a physician and a person, he is
outraged at the mistreatment Terri is receiving and that the denial
of rehabilitation for Terri violates the standards of medical
practice! He can be contacted at: William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. 600
Druid Road East Clearwater, Florida 34616 Tel: 727.461.4464 [end of
notes on the interview - Ron Panzer]















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http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr: Startling Revelations

Listen to the archived 01/07/04  Highway2Health broadcast with Dr.
William Hammesfahr

Margaret Juneman's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

These are notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet
broadcast featuring Dr. Hammesfahr on Highway2health.net.

These notes were written by Margaret Juneman. Parenthetical
statements were added by Joe and Margaret Juneman. [Lisa's comments
are included in brackets.]

Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully
to restore deficits caused by stroke. His technique is approved by
Medicare, and he was nominated in 1999 for a Nobel prize for this
work which he started in 1994.

Dr. Hammesfahr has great success. Most doctors think a brain injury
that has been there awhile is not treatable. He has had success with
these cases and he is convinced Terri would improve. (Improvement
should not be required for Terri to be allowed to live).

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's behavior indicates that he is also
convinced Terri would improve. He is so sure Terri would improve with
therapy that he not only illegally prevents her from receiving
rehabilitation, but he keeps her under armed guard for fear someone
will give her  unauthorized sensory input! The phony persistent
vegetative state ruse is being maintained at all cost. It is no
wonder that Michael, with the blessings and protection of the court,
defies Florida law by denying Terri her legal right to
rehabilitation.]

According to Dr. William Hammesfahr, world renowned neurologist:

Terri's feeding tube is for the convenience of nurses; not because
Terri needs it. Terri does not drool. Liquid is the hardest thing to
swallow, and she swallows 1½ to 2 liters of saliva a day.

Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state or coma. She is a
living, thinking person who makes choices and decisions. This is
terrible. They are trying to kill her. While Dr. Hammesfahr was
examining her, he observed Terri chose to ignore her husband Michael
and the person taking the video.

When Terri heard her mother's voice, she smiled and tracked her.
Terri moved her arms and legs as Dr. Hammesfahr requested her to.

[Lisa's note: Dr. Hammesfahr mentioned that during his ten hour
examination, Terri responded well to verbal requests to move, and
even moved to the point where it caused her pain in order to comply
with a request. He indicated that such movements are definitely not
reflexive.]

(Videotapes show Terri reacting to people. These are at
terrisfight.org. Scroll down to Videos of Terri.) A persistent
vegetative state, by definition, allows no awareness of the world or
ability to interact with the world.

[Lisa's note: Judge Greer LIED and "found" Terri in a "persistent
vegetative state" in clear violation of the Florida statue, which
defines the term, "persistent vegetative state":

"Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible
condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a)  The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any
kind.

(b)  An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the
environment.

[Real Player is needed to view the videos.]

(The video entitled, "Asked to open her eyes" allows you to see and
hear the examination. When she opened her eyes on command, the doctor
said, There you go, good. Good! (Laughing) Good job! Good job, young
lady, good job!)

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear
the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, Look
over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you
go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here.
That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you,
huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here.
That's good!)

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following
the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent
vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is medical malpractice
and attempted murder.

[Lisa's note: The doctor who told Terri she did a good job following
commands obeyed The Plan when testifying in court that she is in a
persistent vegetative state.]


Terri did not have a heart attack. There were no cardiac enzymes in
her blood, and no abnormalities in her EKG.

Terri was admitted into the emergency room with a very, very stiff
neck consistent with brand new injury to her neck.

[Lisa's note: Testimony given at a 2002 evidentiary hearing revealed
that Terri was presented at the emergency room with
an "extraordinarily rigid neck" described by one physician
as "consistent with attempted strangulation." See: Court to hear
petition to remove husband as guardian]

Dr. Hammesfahr had seen the combination of injuries Terri suffered
(spinal cord injury, brain injury, and neck injury) one other time.
That was in an attempted strangulation case.

A police report was sent to homicide. There was no follow-up; no
investigation by police. Dr. Hammesfahr said Terri's situation is
unique. He consistently sees wrong things happen to Terri. There is
no law enforcement follow-up now for fear of stepping on toes.

[Lisa's note: There is no law enforcement because the police fear the
people "in high places" who are trying to pull off this very
obviously ILLEGAL murder plot. Everyone closely involved with this
case knows that the plan to kill Terri is a government operation, and
they are either actively helping them with this agenda or passively
helping them by refusing to stand in their way.]

Terri's bone scan revealed Terri was a victim of multiple traumas -
doctors were mandated to report it. There was no history of trauma
prior to her marrying Michael. The fractures had to happen after
marrying him. First lumbar vertebra fracture is common when thrown
against a table.

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech
therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two
later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation.
She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am
hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because
the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and
hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further
injury. No follow-up was given.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo is causing Terri further injury by not
permitting her to have necessary medical follow-up after undergoing
experimental surgery! Of course this is illegal too, but he trusts
the governmental euthanasia planners to see to it that he suffers no
repercussions for habitually breaking laws in order to harm Terri.]

Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions
fail someone in so many ways.

[Lisa's note: When an extremely important facet of The Plan is in
process, everyone falls into step...or else. Some, however, fear God
more than certain governmental officials with satanic agendas.]

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar
tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not
missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to
hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is
functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot
worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years
ago showed improvement.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo and George Felos' remarks on Larry King
Live about Terri's total lack of consciousness are obviously
fallacious. Lying is actually a propaganda technique. It is often the
case that the bigger the lie, the more easily it is believed.]

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity)
showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three
doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just
as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact,
the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been
taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further
testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri
is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Judge Greer would not allow an eye examination, even though she is
legally blind. She can only see objects 12 to 18 inches away.

[Lisa's note: Terri would be more responsive with eyeglasses. Of
course such increased responsiveness would conflict with the
judge's "finding" that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state, so
Terri is not permitted any help with her visual difficulties.]

She is isolated even though her condition demands sensory input.

[Lisa's note: Michael Schiavo's insistence upon Terri being
(illegally) kept in isolation is all for the purpose of making her
appear as "vegetative" as they possibly can. Even with such
outrageous abuse, Terri is still much too responsive for the
euthanasia planners' comfort level.]

Terri's medical records, which are legal documents, were falsified.
Detailed records of Terri's responsiveness were thrown away. Nurses
who were not even on duty wrote fraudulent reports as though they had
been caring for Terri.

[Lisa's note: Truth is an enemy when a "persistent vegetative state"
agenda is being imposed on a person who is not in such a state.]

Why is it that Terri has to prove herself worthy of living? This is
against the law in Florida. She is not in a persistent vegetative
state. She is not terminal, even though she has been (illegally) in a
hospice.

[Lisa's note: It is all about conditioning for the global government
which is being instituted in stages in the United States. Worthy
people (people who further the globalist agenda) live, the unworthy
(people who do not further the globalist agenda) are deemed worthy of
death. People are being conditioned to think of life and death in
these terms.]


(If the judge were to order a swallowing test, strict care would be
needed to ensure Terri were not sedated to the point she could not
swallow. )

[Lisa's note: Excellent point. Terri could be sedated at times it
is "crucial" for her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, such as
during examinations. Perhaps she is sedated on the whim of the people
managing her care. (This could be the main reason Michael will not
permit Terri's parents to see her medical records!) If Terri is
sedated, it is easier for them continue to perpetrate
their "persistent vegetative state" ruse. I think it is amazing that
even with all these ploys against her, Terri's natural beauty still
shines through.]

(This is not about letting her die because she is not dying. This is
about deliberately killing her: Murder.)

[Lisa's note: This is about seeking to murder Terri Schiavo, but it
is more. It is a crucial test to see how much euthanasia conditioning
the American people have already succumbed to. The euthanasia
planners have broken laws, manipulated Terri's care and records to
cause her to appear as "vegetative" as possible, and aided and
abetted Michael in committing felonies, in order to try to have a
targeted individual killed. What are you going to do about it?]


Dr. Hammesfahrs contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/
E-mail address hnihelp@...
Phone number 1-800-673-6400



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Ron Panzer's Notes: Interview With Dr. Hammesfahr

Startling details about Terri Schindler Schiavo Revealed!

Excerpt from the Hospice Patients Alliance Newsletter January 8, 2004

Notes on Wednesday nights' interview (1/7/04) with neurologist,
William Hammesfahr, MD.

WILLIAM HAMMESFAHR, MD was interviewed Wednesday night on
Highway2health.net by Ron Panzer, President of Hospice Patients
Alliance. Dr. Hammesfahr is board certified in neurology and pain
management. He has spent many hours directly with Terri Schiavo and
reviewed the medical records directly. Dr. Hammesfahr unequivocally
stated that Terri is absolutely NOT in a persistent vegetative state
and definitely responds to instructions from those around her, that
she makes choices and shows decision-making ability in how she
responds.

Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the medical record was in a state of
shambles when it was given, that it was out of order by date and that
much of the medical record was never given to the Schindlers or Dr.
Hammesfahr! NEVER! Dr. Hammesfahr stated that there are notes in the
medical record by nurses who were NOT working at the time they stated
they were caring for Terri. Also, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that parts of
the medical record were completely missing! Dr. Hammesfahr explained
that Terri's blood sugar level upon admission to the hospital was
about 400 (373). When asked why it would be that high, since Terri
was NOT and is not a diabetic, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
emergency medical technicians who arrived by ambulance probably gave
Terri D-5-W, a dextrose in water solution. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed
that EMTs would check a patient's blood glucose level as part of
their routine, when assessing a patient like Terri who had collapsed.
The only reason they would give D-5-W would likely be that they
discovered upon testing Terri, that her blood sugar was LOW at the
time of the collapse. Since Terri was not HYPO-glycemic and was not
diabetic, a POSSIBLE explanation for Terri having LOW blood sugar at
the time of her collapse is that she may have been injected with
insulin.

Noted, of course, was the sworn AFFIDAVIT/testimony of a nurse who
cared for Terri later on in the early 1990s, that Terri was found
shaking, pale and agitated after a visit by Michael Schiavo. In that
nurse's affidavit, the nurse stated that she found a vial of insulin
in Terri's PRIVATE room. Since Terri did not have diabetes, there
would be no reason for a vial of insulin to be in the garbage can in
her room at the nursing home. Dr. Hammesfahr and I agreed that we had
never seen any nurse or physician bring a vial of insulin into a
patient's room when administering insulin. The standard of practice
is to prepare a medication beforehand at the nurse's station, note
what medication is given in the medication administration record, and
then bring the syringe with the insulin in it to the patient, but NOT
the vial.

That a vial of insulin was found in Terri's room is not normal
practice even if Terri were getting insulin, but she was NOT and
never was on insulin! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that, although Michael
Schiavo admits to "shaking Terri up" Terri's injuries and condition
are not explainable due to anyone shaking her head ... that her
clinical condition would have been different if that was the sole
cause of her brain injury. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the type of
injury and clinical condition Terri had at the time of her collapse
could be explained by a possible strangulation attempt and/or an
insulin injection combined with some form of attack or trauma.

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that no police investigation was done to
look into Terri's condition, even after a bone scan (13 months after
her collapse) revealed multiple TRAUMA and broken bones. Dr.
Hammesfahr stated that the broken bones could NOT be explained by any
form of bone disease, that these were ABSOLUTELY broken bones and
that it must have been done through trauma, injury to her. Dr.
Hammesfahr said that other physicians had also come to the same
conclusion. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Michael Schiavo kept these
bone scans and other medical records secret for over a DECADE. [They
were only released in 2002!]

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart
attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had
a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of
the heart but not a "stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's
injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her. He stated that Terri
had marked injury to her neck which still exists today, and that he
has only seen a similar injury, with spinal cord involvement as well
as brain injury, in one case where a patient had been strangled. He
stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her spine, which he stated is
common among persons being thrown against a table, for example. Dr.
Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in the
very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE
Michael got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that
after Michael got the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that in the early years, Terri had had a very
small device surgically implanted into her brain to provide
therapeutic very low dosages of electrical stimulation to the brain,
which could help Terri, and which DID help Terri when it was first
started. However, after Michael got the money, Michael did not allow
further attempts to help Terri in this way. In addition, Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that the device (or any device) implanted, would
normally be carefully monitored so that no infection would occur and
no harm come to the patient. However, in Terri's case that was not
done and has not been done.

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Terri has at least 75% functional brain
tissue and that the stories circulating in the media about a head
full of fluid "only" are totally false. He has had patients with less
brain function doing much more than Terri is doing, and Dr.
Hammesfahr believes that Terri is being kept to a lower level of
function by her being denied opportunities to do anything, have any
rehabilitation, and that she her improvement is being sabotaged by
her being kept in isolation, with very few visitors or other input.
Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that Larry King had suggested to Michael
Schiavo that he let Mr. King's news crew go in to film Terri, to
settle once and for all what Terri's condition is, and that Michael
REFUSED!

Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri has been sedated at various
periods of time and that the sedation of Terri would make Terri less
responsive, especially during an examination by physicians who would
try to see what her condition was. He explained that physician
assessments of Terri made when she was sedated would necessarily NOT
be accurate, that they would UNDER-estimate her level of cognition
and abilities. Dr. Hammesfahr also revealed that Terri suffers from
some hydrocephalus, or fluid buildup in the brain. This is a serious
condition that must be treated to avoid further damage to the brain.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Michael has NOT allowed Terri to be
treated for her hydrocephalus. [This is in violation of Florida
guardian laws]

Dr. Hammesfahr, whose field is neurology, explained that an EEG
(electro-encephalograph reading) test which did not show much brain
activity was BOGUS! because it was done after Terri had been
transported to a facility for the testing and Terri had been restless
at the time, moving around quite a bit. Muscular movement during an
EEG produces readings on the EEG which must be filtered out. Dr.
Hammesfahr explained that by "filtering out" the EEG activity Terri
had due to the muscular movements, those filtering that brain
activity out had also filtered out Terri's brain activity. In other
words, the EEG done was worthless because it was not properly done
and several doctors have agreed with that.

Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri was also tested with balloons
to see if she would follow the balloon with her eyes and head when
instructed to do so. Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that Terri did follow
the balloons when instructed, and that she did so, even though
turning her head far enough to the side caused her pain. He pointed
out that reflex actions are usually to avoid pain, but in Terri's
case she turned her head into painful positions in order to follow
the instructions of the physician testing her. Dr. Hammesfahr
confirmed that several experts in neurology agree that Terri could
improve, can improve and that everything that should be done for her
is NOT being done. In fact, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the
isolation and deliberate removal of all stimulation from Terri is
harming Terri, depriving her of the input and stimulation which would
help her reach a higher cognitive level and ability. He stated that
Terri should be getting much exposure to sights, sounds and other
forms of rehabilitation.

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that Dr. Ronald Cranford (who testified for
Michael Schiavo and George Felos' side - the right to die agenda) ...
that Dr. Cranford was NOT a neurologist and was not an expert in the
field. Also, that Dr. Cranford spent less than ONE hour with Terri
totally! Yet the court relied on Dr. Cranford's testimony, rather
than several other neurologists, including Dr. Hammesfahr. [The court
was not gathering information in order to rule based on fact, it was
simply following an agenda.]

Dr. Hammesfahr explained that as a physician and a person, he is
outraged at the mistreatment Terri is receiving and that the denial
of rehabilitation for Terri violates the standards of medical
practice! He can be contacted at: William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. 600
Druid Road East Clearwater, Florida 34616 Tel: 727.461.4464 [end of
notes on the interview - Ron Panzer]

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelat
ions.html

You can read these notes without Lisa's comments and without Ron
Panzer's notes here:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/hamm.htm

NEW PRESS RELEASE FROM TERRISFIGHT.ORG
(DATED 8/2/04) APPEARS AT END OF THIS POST




Michael Schiavo Fails to Show for Deposition,
Terri Possibly Hospitalized

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
August 5, 2004

Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Though it wasn't a shock to the
family of Terri Schiavo, her estranged husband Michael failed to show
up this week for a deposition that a local judge allowed. Attorneys
for Terri's parents hoped to depose Michael Schiavo in their case to
replace him with a new legal guardian.

Meanwhile, Terri's family is concerned that Terri has recently been
secretly hospitalized and that Michael has failed to follow a court
order requiring him to update Terri's parents on any changes in her
medical condition.

For the second time in as many requests, Michael failed to show up
for a scheduled deposition. Late last month, Circuit Court Judge
George Greer allowed Terri's parents to depose Michael.

"Schiavo's deposition disregard is in defiance to a Clearwater court
ruling that attorneys representing the parents of Terri Schindler-
Schiavo can examine Michael Schiavo under oath," the Schindler family
said in a statement.

Bob and Mary Schindler are also concerned about their daughter's
medical condition.

During a visit on July 30, the Schindlers noticed a hospital
wristband from Mease-Countryside Hospital on their daughter's arm.

When they asked staff at the Park Place Assisted Living Facility,
where Terri resides, about the hospitalization, they were told that
Michael had phoned the facility and prevented staff from disclosing
any details.

Michael was called a second time and he, again, refused to provide
any information about Terri's medical status.

A 1996 court order compels Michael Schiavo to disclose changes in
Terri's medical condition to her parents and to notify the staff that
they can provide details as well.

Terri's parents have accused Michael of violating this order on
several occasions and they have filed suit seeking to remove Michael
as Terri's guardian because of this and other reasons.

"This particular court order defiance is ongoing. Mr. Schiavo
continues to deny the Schindlers information about their daughter's
medical condition," the statement provided to LifeNews.com read.

In his deposition order, Judge Greer said family attorney Pat
Anderson could depose both Michael and Jodi Centonze, Michael's live-
in fiance since 1997 and the mother of two children with Terri's
husband.

The Schindlers, in their guardianship lawsuit, point to Michael's
refusal to use money from a $700,000 medical malpractice award for
medical care or rehabilitative treatment for Terri. As a result of
the lack of care her health has deteriorated and five of Terri's
teeth had to be extracted recently.

They also say Michael has abrogated his duties by failing to comply
with a Florida statute requiring guardians to establish an annual
medical care plan for patients under their watch.

Michael Schiavo has failed to file the annual care plan since August
2001.

Greer has not made a final decision on their request for change in
guardianship.

http://www.lifenews.com/bio411.html

Note:  ***terrisfight.org just issued a NEW press release which can
be found at end of this post!***




Judge George Greer has ordered that a Writ of Quo Warranto filed on
behalf of Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, be
dismissed and dissolved. In his order, Greer suggests that Mr. and
Mrs. Schindler already have ample legal remedy with a November 15,
2002 petition... (Continued below)

(Note: This ^ is referring to the "Petition To Remove Guardian &
Appoint Successor Guardian". This petition is in full text on this
site-see msg. with this in subject line - saveterrislife)

to remove Terri's husband as her guardian which has yet to be
resolved in Greer's court. Additionally, Greer states
that "extraordinary relief will not be granted in cases where the
granting of it will result in confusion and disorder."


VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation:
http://terrisfight.org/press/070704writ.html

Writ of Quo Warranto Dismissed

(Note from saveterrislife, moderator of this website: Writ of Quo
Warranto, although dismissed by Greer, is still VERY IMPORTANT as it
states Terri's rights which are being denied her, and have been for
almost a dozen years now. You may find the full Writ of Quo Warranto
posted on this site. I converted it from a pdf into text and added
all of the statutes cited in the Writ of Quo Warranto. The Writ was
transcribed from the pdf version @ zimp.org (see below)

The document spoken of above can be found in pdf form at link below:
The PETITION FOR WRIT OF QUO WARRANTO - APRIL 26, 2004
RE: GUARDIANSHIP OF TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
can be found here:
http://www.zimp.org/documents/qw.pdf
(The full text version of this Writ of Quo Warranto * with statutes *
is on THIS site - saveterrislife)


Judge George Greer has ordered that a Writ of Quo Warranto filed on
behalf of Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, be
dismissed and dissolved.

In his order, Greer suggests that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler already have
ample legal remedy with a November 15, 2002 petition...
(continued below)

(Note: This ^ is referring to the Nov. 15, 2002 "Petition To Remove
Guardian & Appoint Successor Guardian". This petition is in full text
on this site-see msg. with this title in subject line -
saveterrislife)

to remove Terri's husband as her guardian which has yet to be
resolved in Greer's court. Additionally, Greer states
that "extraordinary relief will not be granted in cases where the
granting of it will result in confusion and disorder."

Through their attorneys, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler brought forth a
petition for Writ of Quo Warranto, which asks that Terri's husband be
required to demonstrate under what authority he continues to act as
Terri's guardian. The basis for their petition was that Terri's
husband had failed to file guardianship plans on an annual basis as
required by Florida Statute 744.3675, had isolated her and had
apparently neglected her healthcare needs to the point that five
teeth had been extracted due to decay.

Additionally, the petition for Writ of Quo Warranto states that,
under Florida Statute 744.369(8), "the approved report constitutes
the authority for the guardian to act in the forthcoming year. The
powers of the guardian are limited by the terms of the report." As
Terri's husband had not filed guardianship plans for the periods of
08/01/2001 through 07/31/2002 and 08/01/2002 through 07/31/2003 until
June 1, 2004, Bob and Mary Schindler contend that he has not complied
with state requirements that allow him to act as their daughter's
guardian.

Related Documents:

Greer's Order dismissing Writ of Quo Warranto

Petition for Writ of Quo Warranto

Filing of Guardianship Plans June 1, 2004


http://terrisfight.org/press/070704writ.html

(End of update from The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation)

_________________________________________________________________

The document spoken of above can be found in pdf form at link below:
(PETITION FOR WRIT OF QUO WARRANTO - APRIL 26, 2004)
RE: GUARDIANSHIP OF TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
can be found here:
http://www.zimp.org/documents/qw.pdf



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NOW, TO THE NEW PRESS RELEASE FROM TERRISFIGHT.ORG:

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Press Release
For Immediate Release - 8/02/2004 12.00 PM (GMT-5)


Michael Schiavo fails to show for deposition

St Petersburg, FL – For a second time, Michael Schiavo failed to
appear for a deposition that was scheduled for 11:00 a.m. today.
Schiavo employed the same "no show" tactic in a similar instance a
few years ago.

Schiavo's deposition disregard is in defiance to a Clearwater court
ruling that attorneys representing the parents of Terri Schindler-
Schiavo can examine Michael Schiavo under oath. Schiavo has also
ignored a Court order obliging him to disclose information to Terri's
family pertaining to Terri's medical status.

In his recent July 2004 ruling, Judge Greer of Pinellas-Pasco
County's Sixth Judicial Circuit stated that both Michael Schiavo and
Jodi Centonze, his fiancé since 1997 and mother of his two children,
could be deposed by attorney Patricia Anderson in the guardianship
case involving his disabled wife, Terri Schiavo.

Important Development...

Since the scheduling of this deposition, new developments have come
to light. On July 30, 2004, Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler,
visited her at Park Place Assisted Living Facility. Michael Schiavo
(via telephone to the staff) denied Terri's parents permission to
bring a music CD into their daughter's room for Terri's listening
enjoyment.

Additionally, the Schindlers noticed a wrist band on Terri from
Mease-Countryside Hospital and inquired as to when and why their
daughter had been hospitalized. A second phone call was placed to Mr.
Schiavo, Terri's guardian, to ask permission to disclose details to
Terri's parents. Again, Mr. Schiavo denied his permission.

A 1996 court order compels Michael Schiavo to disclose changes in
Terri's medical condition to her parents and to notify the staff that
they may do just that. Once again, Mr. Schiavo decided not to follow
that court order. This particular court order defiance is ongoing.
Mr. Schiavo continues to deny the Schindlers information about their
daughter's medical condition.

Michael Schiavo has sought to end Terri's life by dehydration and
starvation since 1998, and also previously ordered that she be
deprived of medical treatment for a life-threatening infection. Her
parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of Florida, have fought tirelessly to
save their daughter's life.

http://www.terrisfight.org

This entire case has many occult dates in it. PLUS, SIGN PETITION TO
IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!  Check out this date cited below, for example -
From article dated 8/28/03:

Attorney: Jeb Bush letter only a 'good first step'
Florida judge dumps governor's plea for brain-disabled woman in file

Posted: August 28, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern

By Sarah Foster
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

"Greer insisted that he is bound by the 2nd District Court of Appeals
order of *June 6* (2003) to set a hearing date for removal of the
feeding tube and that he is "not inclined" to appoint another
guardian. At present, Terri's legal guardian is her husband, Michael
Schiavo."

www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34321

June = the 6th month of the year = the FIRST #6
The 6th day of June = The SECOND #6
Greer's court is in the 6th circuit = the THIRD #6!!!

http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html
see above link to verify Greer is indeed in the 6th Circuit Court!

This proves the above = 6-6-6
which equals the mark of the Beast, per the book of Revelation from
the Bible, a very powerful occult #, indeed!!!

6 is a very powerful # in the occult and occult/numerology believers
think that the more 6's that there are, the more POWER they have
that day for them to carry out things - thus 6-6-6 would be EXTREMELY
POWERFUL and things carried out on that date of June (*6*th month) on
the *6*th day in the *6*th District Court (per occult/numerology
believers) would give them A HECKUVA LOT of power (to carry out
Terri's premeditated murder)!

"Greer insisted that he is bound by the 2nd District Court of Appeals
order of *June 6* (2003) to set a hearing date for removal of the
feeding tube and that he is "not inclined" to appoint another
guardian. At present, Terri's legal guardian is her husband, Michael
Schiavo."


The year 2004 would be a forth 6 (2 + 4 = 6), which would make that
date a very powerful occult #, indeed... I will have to see what, if
anything, happened on that date in this case and other June 6's for
all the years I can find info on...

There are MANY other occult dates and numbers in this case and I will
be posting them here as soon as I can.


READ & SIGN THE PETITION TO IMPEACH CORRUPT JUDGE GREER AT LINK BELOW!
http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html
(Go here to sign this petition!)


Impeach Judge George W. Greer of Florida's Sixth Judicial Circuit

View Current Signatures   -   Sign the Petition

To:  Florida House of Representatives
Whereas the Florida Constitution Article III Section 17 provides for
the impeachment of judges for misdemeanor in office, misdemeanor
being defined as a misdeed or offense less than a felony.

Whereas Judge George W. Greer is a judge in the 6th circuit court of
Florida and bound to rule in agreement with Florida Statutes and the
Judicial Code of Ethics,

The undersigned are petitioning Florida House Speaker Johnnie Byrd
and the Florida House of Representatives to impeach Judge George W.
Greer pursuant to the provisions in the Florida Constitution for the
following violations of Statutes and Judicial Canons, which prove
justification for impeachment.

Judge George W. Greer has caused public confidence in the judiciary
to deteriorate due to his rulings regarding Terri Schiavo and thus
violated Judicial Canon 1.

Judge George W. Greer has made rulings, which advance the private
interests of Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Senate President Jim
King by allowing the statutes, which apply, to persons with terminal
illness to order the death of Terri Schiavo by dehydration and
starvation at the request of Michael Schiavo and thus is in violation
of Judicial Canon 2B.

Judge George W. Greer has not ruled according to law in the case of
whether to remove Terri Schiavo's tube by which she receives
nutrition and hydration. The rulings, which are inconsistent with
Florida Statutes and Constitution, are:

1. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(2 ) for failure to discharge his
duties as guardian. The statute requires that the guardian protect
the rights of the ward, provide for her health and safety, properly
manage her financial resources and help her regain her abilities to
the maximum extent possible.

2. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(3) for abuse of his powers as
evidenced by his denying her any significant sensory stimulation and
his efforts to have her life ended.

3. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(7) for wasting, embezzlement, or
other mismanagement of the ward's property, one example is Michael's
statement on national television that he had Terri's wedding rings
melted down and made into jewelry for himself.

4. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(11) because of a conflict of
interest between the ward and the guardian due to Michael Schiavo
living with and fathering children with another woman.

5. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(13) for failure to comply with
the guardianship report.

6. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(14) for failure to file annual
guardianship reports in a timely manner.

7. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(16) for improperly managing the
ward's assets by using Terri's money which was awarded by a court to
be used for her rehabilitation but at the authorization of Judge
Greer is being used to pay legal fees in an effort to end Terri's
life.

8. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(17) because there has been a
significant change in Terri's assets due to the actions of her
guardian. Terri's assets have likely increased since her accident and
Michael Schiavo is denying Terri the benefit of any assets accrued
after the malpractice award which would be equally hers as Michael's
legal spouse.

9. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri's guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(18) because Michael's adulterous
relationship (which is a misdemeanor under Florida law) with another
woman ought to disqualify Michael as a suitable guardian for Terri as
the interest which Michael said (in malpractice trial court
proceedings) he had toward Terri is directed to another woman who is
not his wife and has two children by said other woman of whom he is
the father.

10. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri's
guardian and has aided Michael in abusing, neglecting, and exploiting
Terri, a vulnerable adult, by appropriating funds that were awarded
for her rehabilitation to pay legal fees, and has aided in exploiting
Terri by denying the money to be used for her benefit. Both these
infractions were committed with the
knowledge that Terri lacked the capacity to consent and explained in
detail in Florida Statute 415.102.

11. Judge Greer's rulings to date have deprived Terri Schiavo of her
constitutional right to enjoy and defend life and liberty, to pursue
happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and
protect property which are detailed in Section 2 of the Florida
Constitution by ordering her life to be ended by denying her
hydration and nutrition.

12. Judge Greer has deprived Terri of her constitutional religious
rights by allowing Michael Schiavo to prevent Monsignor Malonowski
from visiting Terri, by allowing Michael to prevent Monsignor
Malinowski from administering last rites when her feeding tube was
removed in October 2003, and by allowing Michael to prevent Terri's
blood relatives from placing pictures of religious figures in her
room.

13. Judge Greer has allowed Terri's constitutional right to privacy
to be violated by Michael Schiavo by not restricting his comments
during interviews on national television.

14. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215C(a) To have
an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

15. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(b) (b) to
have continuing review of the need for restriction of her rights.

16. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right to be restored to
capacity, FL statute 744.3215C.

17. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(d) (d) to
be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected
against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

18. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(e) to have
a qualified guardian.

19. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(f) to
remain as independent as possible, including having her preference as
to place and standard of living honored, either as she expressed or
demonstrated her preference prior to the determination of his or her
incapacity or as she currently expresses her preference, insofar as
such request is reasonable.

20. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (g) to be
properly educated. She is not receiving any rehabilitative therapy.

21. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (h) to
receive prudent financial management for her property and to be
informed how her property is being managed. Michael Schiavo stated on
national television that he melted Terri's wedding rings down and had
them made into jewelry for himself.

22. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (i) to
receive necessary services and rehabilitation. Judge Greer has
allowed Michael to deprive Terri of the same. She did not have a
working wheelchair for an extended and unnecessarily long period of
time.

23. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (k) to have
access to the courts. Judge Greer has relied upon the testimony of
others related to Michael Schiavo as to Terri's condition yet ignored
the testimony of her blood relatives which was contradictory to
information provided by Michael and his family.

24. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(l) to
counsel.

25. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(m) to
receive visitors and communicate with others.

26. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(a) by allowing
Terri to be moved to different facilities without prior approval of
the court.

27. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(b) not requiring
Michael to have follow up examinations of electrodes, which were
implanted in Terri's brain. These implants should have been removed
years ago, as they are a source for both infection and hydrocephalus.
Hydrocephalus may cause pressure that could suppress cognitive
function and be responsible for much of Terri's condition. If so,
there could be a vast improvement in her condition if a shunt were
placed. Hydrocephalus could also cause pressure that would flatten
the brain and show fluid filled areas on a brain scan.

28. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to violate a court order stating
that he is to keep Terri's family advised of her medical condition.

29. Judge Greer has ignored Terri's right under 765.102(5)(a) to
palliative care which addresses physical, psychological, social,
spiritual, and existential needs of patients.

30. Judge Greer has not required Michael Schiavo to implement a plan
which would provide for Terri's needs under 765.102(5)(a).

31. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to neglect Guardianship
Education, which is a requirement under Florida law.

32. Judge Greer relied on Dr. Ronald Cranford's definition of PVS
(Persistent Vegetative State) instead of the legal definition
contained in the Florida Statutes. There were several doctors who
gave reports that Terri is not PVS but Greer decided not to use the
Florida Statute's definition.

33. Judge Greer has failed to be impartial and has ignored testimony
and evidence presented by Counsel for Terri's natural family and has
consistently ruled in agreement with Counsel for Michael Schiavo.

34. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to continue denying visitation to
Terri's family even though a police investigation found that they
were not responsible for marks found on her arm.

35. Judge Greer in his February 11, 2000 Order, committed malpractice
by
misdiagnosing Terri as being an unconscious and unaware person and
then ordered the Guardian of the Ward to commit a 1st Degree Felony
Crime by removing Terri's feeding tube and denying her constitutional
and legal right to be protected and not feloniously victimized by
being caused to die.

35. Judge Greer authorized the euthanization of Terri Schiavo by
authorizing the removal of her feeding tube when she does not fit the
definition of PVS under Florida statutes. Euthanasia is illegal in
Florida.

36. Judge Greer has violated the Americans With Disabilities Act
(ADA), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101 provides that necessary and
appropriate rehabilitation services and physical/motor skill therapy
may not be denied a substantially disabled patient in the United
States of America.

37. Judge Greer has violated the ADA Cf 28 CFR, Ch 1, Subpart B, Sect
35.130 States "Nothing in the Act or this part authorizes the
representative or guardian of an individual with a disability to
decline food, water, medical treatment, or medical services for that
individual."

38. Judge Greer has violated FS 38.10 four times by not disqualifying
himself from the case when it was requested. The statute states
whenever a party to any action or proceeding makes and files an
affidavit stating fear that he or she will not receive a fair trial
in the court where the suit is pending on account of the prejudice of
the judge of that court against the applicant or in favor of the
adverse party, the judge shall proceed no further, but another judge
shall be designated in the manner prescribed by the laws of this
state for the substitution of judges for the trial of causes in which
the presiding judge is disqualified.


The rulings and actions listed above are in violation of Judicial
Canon 3B(2)

Judge Greer has violated Judicial Canon 3B(4) as seen in a video clip
of a court proceeding where Judge Greer was visibly impatient and
angry during court proceedings. The video can be viewed at this url.
http://real.scripps.com:8480/ramgen/tampalive/news/2003/11/1105schiavo
.rm

Judge Greer should be investigating whether any life insurance
policies have been purchased or other investments made with funds
intended for Terri, which would cause Michael Schiavo to profit from
her death.

Judge Greer serves on the Committee for Guardianship Monitoring but
is, in fact, violating the intentions and guidelines established by
the Committee. Information concerning the Committee for Guardianship
Monitoring may be found at this url
http://www.flcourts.org/osca/divisions/Guardian/guardianshipmonitoring
.pdf

1. Judge Greer has neglected the mission of guardianship monitoring
in Terri's case.The mission of guardianship monitoring is to collect,
provide, and evaluate information about the well-being and property
of all persons adjudicated of having a legal incapacity so that the
court can fulfill its legal obligation to protect and preserve the
interests of the ward, and thereby promote confidence in the judicial
process.

2. Page 5 of the document contains "Thus, the court must be proactive
to discover and respond to disputes and issues." Judge Greer has
intentionally ignored disputed issues in Terri's case and not made
any ruling to correct them.

3. On page 6 of the document is this statement "An ideal guardianship
monitoring program encompasses four major service areas: (1) initial
and on-going screening and reviewing of guardians; (2) reporting on
the well-being of the ward; (3) reporting on the protection of the
ward's assets; and (4) case administration." Judge Greer's flagrant
oversight of Michael Shiavo's violations of the statutes pertaining
to guardians is certainly no example for any monitoring program.

4. It is unclear whether Judge Greer has required Michael Schiavo to
meet all the requirements of a guardian (listed on page 6 of the
document). "A family member guardian is required to hire an attorney,
provide detailed personal information, undergo a credit check, post a
fiduciary's bond, attend an 8-hour training course, and file detailed
initial and annual personal and financial reports."

5. Pinellas County employees a full time monitoring staff, which
reviews cases to make sure guardianship plans are being filed and
followed. It would not have been possible for them to give approval
of the plan for Terri since the guardianship plans have not been an
important issue with Judge Greer evidenced by his granting Michael
extensions to file the plan. Judge Greer is deliberately undermining
the guardianship monitoring program which was established to make
sure that all wards receive the protection they are entitled to by
the law.

6. Judge Greer did not adhere to the monitoring guidelines which
state that "in cases where it appears there is substantial likelihood
for serious irreparable harm (similar to the injunctive relief
standard), immediate action steps by the court should include but not
be limited to: Filing an abuse, neglect, or exploitation complaint
with the Department of Children and Families, as required by statute,
referral to local law enforcement agencies or the state attorney and,
conducting immediate hearings among several other possible actions.
Terri is at risk of irreparable harm as long as Michael is her
guardian. He didn't want to treat her for an infection, has not had
preventive health care examinations for her and stated on national
television that he would do whatever it takes to have her feeding
tube removed. Michael also stated during the same interview that
Terri's teeth were fine but recently she is missing several teeth.

Judge Greer's rulings ought to be thrown out due to all these
violations and the Supreme Court ruling on May 18, 2004 that states
may be liable for money damages for denying disabled persons access
to the court.

Terri's feeding tube can only be removed "if" she is PVS and Judge
Greer's ruling is based on a definition not contained in the Florida
Statutes. This is an outrageous liberty which Judge Greer has taken
and combined with the other violations of statutes there is no
question that he should be removed from his duties immediately.

We urge Florida Speaker of the House Johnnie Byrd and the Florida
House of Representatives to begin immediate impeachment proceedings
against Judge George W. Greer of the Sixth Judicial Circuit of
Florida for the violations contained in this petition.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html
(Go here to sign this petition!)

BE SURE TO READ ALL OF THESE ATTORNEYS' LETTERS/MEMOS TO GOVERNOR
BUSH.  THEY WERE ALL DELIVERED TO GOV. BUSH ON EITHER OCTOBER 15TH OR
OCTOBER 16, 2003 AND THEY WILL BLOW YOUR MIND IF YOU WERE NOT AWARE
OF THEM!  READ THEM AND ASK YOURSELF WHY GOVERNOR BUSH KEPT INSISTING
HE COULD NOT INTERVENE AND STOP TERRI'S ATTEMPTED MURDER!  ASK
YOURSELF IF THESE EXPERT ATTORNEYS ALL EMPHATICALLY INFORMED GOVERNOR
BUSH HE *ALREADY* HAD THE POWER (AS GOVERNOR) TO ACT AND THAT HE
*MUST* ACT, WHY THEN DID GOVERNOR BUSH TOTALLY IGNORE THESE EXPERT
ATTORNEYS AND DO NOTHING FOR ABOUT AN ENTIRE WEEK, WHILE TERRI WAS
BEING DEHYDRATED AND STARVED TO DEATH ILLEGALLY (SINCE ORAL FOOD AND
WATER WAS WITHHELD!!!)

See ALL of the attorneys' letters here:

Memorandum from John B. Thompson, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_2.htm

Memorandum from Brian Fahling, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_3.htm

Memorandum from Herbert Titus, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_4.htm

Memorandum from Gibbs Law Firm, P.A. signed by David C. Gibbs III
and Enclosure to Governor Bush Re:  "Motion For Clarification and
Supplemental Request For Implementation of Order" which shows the
Schindlers, (Terri's parents), asked Judge Greer to clarify that
Terri could be given ORAL food and water after her feeding tube was
removed) The Motion listed on this webpage was mistakenly listed at
the bottom of the page)  *see link cited below to read Gibbs' and
Thompsons' letters to Gov. Bush*
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm

Note:  It is illegal to withhold ORAL (by mouth) food and water even
AFTER a feeding tube is removed.  This is state sponsored EUTHANASIA,
which is ILLEGAL IN FLORIDA!  THIS IS ATTEMPTED MURDER OF TERRI
SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO, WHICH HAS HAPPENED TWICE NOW IN FLORIDA!!!

Plus,

Memorandum from John B. ("Jack") Thompson, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm

Memorandum from the Thomas More Law Center:
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_6.htm

Also see the Press Release
Issued on October 16, 2003
Re:  these attorneys' letters to Bush and the question:

Legal Solution Now on Hand —
Will Governor Bush Intervene and Save Terri's Life?



To: National Desk

Contact: Gary McCullough, 202.546.0054

Society for Truth and Justice Press Release, Randall Terry President

Legal Solution Now on Hand—Will Governor Bush Intervene and Save
Terri's Life?

The following Internet links will take you to documents that are in
the hands of Governor Jeb Bush.
Printed copies of these documents were made available to the press at
the 11:30 AM, October 16, Press Conference.

Memorandum from the Thomas More Law Center

Memorandum from Herbert Titus, Attorney

Memorandum from John B. Thompson, Attorney

Memorandum from Brian Fahling, Attorney

All these documents are available online at: www.TerrisFight.org
(THIS IS NOT NOT TRUE NOW, AS ALL OF THESE LINKS ARE BROKEN ON
TERRISFIGHT.ORG AT THIS TIME - SAVETERRISLIFE)

Judge Greer ordered that Terri Schindler-Schiavo be denied food and
water starting at 2 PM yesterday, October 15. The family continues to
ask Governor Bush to save Terri's life.

A 24-hour vigil for Terri continues to be held in front of the
Woodside Hospice, located at 6774 102nd Avenue N. (near 66th Street N
and 102nd Avenue N) in Pinellas Park, Florida.

"Legal experts from around the country agree that Governor Bush has
the authority to save Terri Schindler-Schiavo's life. We know he has
the power, the question is; does he have the political will."—Randall
Terry, President of the Society for Truth and Justice


Details on Terri Schindler-Schiavo and her fight to stay alive is
available online at www.terrisfight.org


Society for Truth and Justice

3501-B North Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 394 -- Saint Augustine, FL
32084

ATTNYS' LETTERS TO BUSH OCT. 15-16,2003 CITED HERE, Bonescan, Terri's
Injuries, Dr. Hammesfahr's Report on Terri's Injuries, etc. will be
written about / cited here as well...

Just Thinkin' - Terri's On Death Row

Susan brought her newborn baby boy home from the hospital and was
immediately overwhelmed by the chores involved in sustaining the life
of a newborn. Gone were the nights of restful sleep and self-
indulgent parties with her long-time friends. They were replaced with
dirty diapers, sore nipples from the endless rounds of breastfeeding
and fits of crying at the most inopportune times. She told everyone
that having "Sam" would change her life and indeed it did. In her
mind this infant child was the opposite of what she expected; he was
just too much work. She wanted things to go back to the way they
were.



So, bright and early a few days ago Susan called a few close friends,
several elected officials, a couple police officers and a handful of
judges. "I have decided that Sam is too much of a burden. I'm going
to kill him," she said. At first, several pleaded with her to
reconsider. "No. I think I want to put Sam out of his misery. He's
always crying and begging for food. It will be better this way."
Susan then took her little Sam out to the parking lot and, while her
invited guests assembled themselves, she crushed his skull with a
hammer. It only took a blow or two as heavy metal and soft skull were
never meant to co-mingle but in the end she was successful. Blood,
brain matter and baby fine hair pooled behind the child's lifeless
body. "I'm serving a light lunch for anyone who would like to come
inside. Just give me a few minutes to clean up this mess from the
parking lot God knows I don't want to get a fine for littering," she
said in her most hospitable hostess voice.



Obviously, if this scene had really played out in America any one of
those "guests" would have jumped on the lady to stop her from her
senseless killing. She would be dragged from the scene in cuffs for
even suggesting such a brutal murder. In fact, you may be a bit
outraged at my description of a make-believe crime.  Why aren't we
just as outraged by the real life murder taking place in Florida? Why
is it then that a governor, judges, law enforcement and doctors are
standing by and watching as Terry Schiavo is killed? Is it because it
will take two weeks to carry out the act? Perhaps it is due to a less
painful way of death versus that of little Sam? Maybe we let it
happen because poor Terry is in a bed-ridden disabled condition that
gives her life less value. Is that it? No, seriously, think about it.
Is that it? Her life has lost all value even though her mom and dad
are trying everything they know to do to stop the hammer from
slamming into her defenseless body?



Terry-Shindler-Schiavo slipped into her current state about 13 years
ago under mysterious circumstances and her husband, Michael, has been
working to have her executed ever since. In fact, much of the almost
$2 million in insurance money has been spent on attorneys that
Michael has used for the last six or seven years to have her
murdered. He brought an expert witness on rehabilitation to the
malpractice trial to show what would be required to help his wife.
After the award was granted, according to testimony, not a penny has
been spent to rehabilitate Terry. Not a penny. On the contrary, in a
stunning sworn affidavit, Carla Sauer Iyer, a registered nurse who
was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo ,
Fla. , from April 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a
patient there, testified: "Throughout my time at Palm Gardens ,
Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. Michael would say 'When
is she going to die?' 'Has she died yet?' and 'When is that bitch
gonna die?'" Not only are we going to sit by and watch a murder
carried out but we quite possibly we may be witnessing a premeditated
murder.



Here is the Florida law that if applied could halt the proceedings:
825.102

Abuse, aggravated abuse, and neglect of an elderly person or disabled
adult; penalties.-

(1)  "Abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" means: (a)
Intentional infliction of physical or psychological injury upon an
elderly person or disabled adult; (b)  An intentional act that could
reasonably be expected to result in physical or psychological injury
to an elderly person or disabled adult; or (c)  Active encouragement
of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be
expected to result in physical or psychological injury to an elderly
person or disabled adult. (3)(a)  "Neglect of an elderly person or
disabled adult" means: 1.  A caregiver's failure or omission to
provide an elderly person or disabled adult with the care,
supervision, and services necessary to maintain the elderly person's
or disabled adult's physical and mental health, including, but not
limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision,
medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider
essential for the well-being of the elderly person or disabled adult;
or 2.  A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect
an elderly person or disabled adult from abuse, neglect, or
exploitation by another person. (Click here for the complete statute
Title 46, Chapter 825, Section 102 (3)(a) )

(note from saveterrislife - Here's the *complete* statute cited,
which I am posting here):


  Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 825
ABUSE, NEGLECT, AND EXPLOITATION OF ELDERLY PERSONS AND DISABLED
ADULTS View Entire Chapter

825.102  Abuse, aggravated abuse, and neglect of an elderly person or
disabled adult; penalties.--

(1)  "Abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:

(a)  Intentional infliction of physical or psychological injury upon
an elderly person or disabled adult;

(b)  An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result
in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled
adult; or

(c)  Active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results
or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or
psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult.

A person who knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or
disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent
disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or
disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as
provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(2)  "Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" occurs
when a person:

(a)  Commits aggravated battery on an elderly person or disabled
adult;

(b)  Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and
unlawfully cages, an elderly person or disabled adult; or

(c)  Knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled
adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability,
or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult.

A person who commits aggravated abuse of an elderly person or
disabled adult commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as
provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)(a)  "Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:

1.  A caregiver's failure or omission to provide an elderly person or
disabled adult with the care, supervision, and services necessary to
maintain the elderly person's or disabled adult's physical and mental
health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing,
shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent
person would consider essential for the well-being of the elderly
person or disabled adult; or

2.  A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect an
elderly person or disabled adult from abuse, neglect, or exploitation
by another person.

Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult may be based on
repeated conduct or on a single incident or omission that results in,
or could reasonably be expected to result in, serious physical or
psychological injury, or a substantial risk of death, to an elderly
person or disabled adult.

(b)  A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects an
elderly person or disabled adult and in so doing causes great bodily
harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly
person or disabled adult commits a felony of the second degree,
punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c)  A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects an
elderly person or disabled adult without causing great bodily harm,
permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly
person or disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree,
punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

History.--s. 3, ch. 95-158; s. 2, ch. 96-322.


Here's an article regarding what Governor Bush was doing on August
28, 2003 or thereabouts regarding the upcoming withdrawal of Terri's
feeding tube (as well as quotes from anti-euthanasia expert, well
known author on these issues, and attorney, Wesley Smith, had to say
about what Bush had done to stop this at this point) :

Attorney: Jeb Bush letter only a 'good first step'
Florida judge dumps governor's plea for brain-disabled woman in file

Posted: August 28, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern

By Sarah Foster
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A letter sent by Florida Gov. Jeb Bush to a probate court judge
asking him to delay the removal of a feeding tube from a brain-
disabled woman is "a good first step," but the governor will need to
do more if he wishes to halt the pending starvation death of Terri
Schindler-Schiavo, says noted anti-euthanasia author and attorney
Wesley Smith.

"The letter is nice, but it's not sufficient for the task," Smith
told WorldNetDaily.

In the two-page communication dated Tuesday Bush asked Judge George
Greer, of Florida's 6th Circuit Court, Probate Division, to allow
Terri to live until a court-appointed guardian can "independently
investigate the circumstances of this case and provide the court with
an unbiased view that considers the best interests of Mrs. Schiavo."


Terri Schindler-Schiavo before her disability. (photo)


Bush also urged Greer to reweigh evidence as to Terri's wishes "as
often as necessary ... to determine whether 'clear and convincing
evidence' still exists that Mrs. Schiavo would now choose withdrawal
of life-prolonging procedures."

Smith said he was "not optimistic" that the letter would have any
effect.

"[A request] will not be enough to persuade the judge," he
explained. "It doesn't mean anything unless the governor is willing
to have the attorney general bring an action by the state of Florida
to investigate certain issues and support the right to life of this
woman."

Although there is some question about how much even a willing
governor can do in a case like this, Smith said Bush should try to
intervene, "and if he fails, at least the effort has been made."

He said the governor's "essential point" is correct, that a guardian
ad litem should be appointed to look at a number of troubling issues
that have surfaced. However, there is nothing requiring Greer to
appoint anyone guardian or to carry out even one of Bush's
suggestions.

(Note from saveterrislife:  By law, Terri has the right to be
represented by her own attorney, not an attorney who represents her
family, but her VERY OWN attorney.  Terri also has the right, by
Florida Statute, to have a Guardian Ad Litem - G.A.L. -  (That Terri
be given a Guardian Ad Litem is written into Terri's Law, but WHY is
it written into Terri's Law, is the question, as she is ALREADY
entitled to a G.A.L. by Florida statute... and remember, she still,
as of August 6, 2004, does not HAVE a Guardian Ad Litem! (despite the
fact she is ALREADY ENTITLED TO ONE BY FLORIDA STATUTE, WHICH IS
BEING IGNORED, AND ALMOST ALWAYS HAS BEEN IGNORED, AND THE FACT THAT
TERRI'S LAW STATES SHE MUST HAVE A G.A.L. AS WELL!!!)  She (FOR A
SHORT TIME) HAD a G.A.L. named Richard Pearse, but he was dismissed
by the corrupt court after he determined in his report that Michael
and his relatives who testified on his behalf regarding Terri's
supposed "wishes" (ALL OF THEIR TESTIMONY WAS HEARSAY ONLY AND LIES!)

(which NONE OF THEM BROUGHT UP *YEARS EARLIER* WHEN MICHAEL WAS SUING
AT THE MALPRACTICE TRIAL!  AT THAT TIME MIKEY STATED HE'D GET HER ALL
THE THERAPY AND REHAB SHE NEEDED WITH THE MONEY SHE WAS TO BE
AWARDED, (THAT HE WOULD HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OVER!) AND THAT HE WOULD
CARE FOR HER UNTIL THE DAY SHE DIED, WHICH WOULD BE A LONG TIME
COMING ACCORDING TO THE EXPERT HE GOT TO TESTIFY FOR HIM, WHO
TESTIFIED SHE HAD A LONG LIFE EXPECTANCY - AND, GET THIS, THE MONEY
HE WAS AWARDED WAS BASED ON HER ESTIMATED LENGTH OF LIFE!)

was lying and had changed his story several times as well as that
Michael had a conflict of interest

(MANY conficts of interest in MY opinion - Just a few are:  Terri's
bonescan done in early 1991, about a year after her
mysterious "collapse" under VERY QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES showed
Terri was a "victim of trauma".

Specifically, the March 5, 1991 report notes a compression fracture
of her thigh "which is presumably traumatic." Other "hot spots" are
suggestive of fractures in her ribs, the first lumbar vertebra and
several thoracic vertebrae, both sacroiliac joints, and both knees
and ankles. The report states, "the patient has a history of trauma"
and "the presumption is that the other multiple areas of abnormal
activity ["hot spots"] also relate to previous trauma."   Terri's
Bonescan also states "Closed Head Wound" at the top left portion of a
form stating the name of the doctor ordering the Bonescan, the date,
and other information.

Unnamed physicians who reviewed the report at the request of the
Schindler's Attorney Pat Anderson conclude Terri was the victim of
severe physical abuse.

A Radiologist who looked at Terri's Bonescan said, "sombody worked
her over REAL GOOD!"

The emergency motion further asserts that medical records show that
Terri has never been evaluated or treated by an orthopedic surgeon
for the multiple injuries indicated in the bone scan and that may
have a profound bearing on her current medical condition.



Doctor Says Schiavo Likely Victim of 'Some Kind of Trauma'
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
October 28, 2003

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%
5C200310%5CCUL20031028a.html
(Since the above link is too long for this site, you must highlight,
copy and paste the first line, highlight, copy and paste the second
line at end of first line into your address bar, to be able to read
it at the link cited)



From Jackie Patru's site:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm



The four paragraphs directly below this is taken from the Media Kit
posted at Terri's website. Below that is a true transcript (also
posted on www.terrisfight.org, in the download section titled "Bone
Scan").  We've transcribed it here for easier reading, since the
original was very faint with broken and blurred letters.

You will read a transcript of the doctor describing what he found on
Terri's bone scan. We had help with definitions and will bracket
those terms for further understanding of what you're reading.

Allegedly -- according to Michael Schiavo -- Terri's brain damage was
due to a heart attack. Read this and then decide which you believe.
-- Jackie --  October 16th, 2003

P.S.  If you haven't made your calls for Terri, PLEASE DO.

__________________________________________________________________

Terri was NEVER diagnosed as a heart attack victim when she was
admitted to the Northside Humana emergency room in February 1990. To
this day, her family does not know the true cause of her collapse.
Doctors immediately excluded heart attack as her blood enzymes were
not elevated -- typical in all heart attack victims. Terri's
toxicology screen also eliminated any suspicion of drugs.
At the time of Terri's admittance, blood tests revealed a depletion
of electrolytes and her attending physician HYPOTHESIZED that low
blood potassium MAY have caused her collapse. It was with this
information that Michael Schiavo entered into a lawsuit against
Terri's General Practitioner and Gynecologist, claiming negligence on
their part.

In preparation for Terri's October 2002 trial, her ER records were
reviewed and it was plainly noted in the "Admitting Summary" that
Terri had a "rigid neck" when she was admitted to the hospital. These
injuries were never disclosed to Terri's family, nor -- to their
knowledge -- were they ever investigated. The doctor reviewing these
records testified that the only other patient he treated with similar
injuries was the victim of an attempted strangulation.

The prospect that foul play may have led to Terri's collapse and
ensuing heart stoppage was enhanced when a bone scan was recently
found. This scan, taken 53 weeks after Terri's collapse revealed that
Terri had fractured ribs, damage to her pelvic area, LI vertebrae,
spine, both knees and both ankles. It also revealed that Terri had
suffered a broken femur and a broken back. Three doctors concluded
that Terri had endured trauma of some sort. The radiologist
responsible for the scan plainly stated: "This patient has a history
of trauma".

[excerpt from the media kit by Terrisfight.org posted on their
webmaster's site zimp.org]

Note:  The Media Kit is in PDF (Portable Document Format) and
Requires Adobe Acrobat Reader

You may download Adobe Acrobat Reader for free here:

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

Read the Media Kit - Terri's story in Acrobat Reader format (248k)

http://www.zimp.org/documents.terri.PDF
or Click link to to read the Media Kit



(NOTE FROM SAVETERRISLIFE:  THE BONE SCAN ALSO STATES "CLOSED HEAD
INJURY" ON THE TOP LEFT SECTION OF THE BONE SCAN WHICH CONTAINS A
PORTION THAT WAS FILLED IN (THIS APPEARS NEAR THE BOTTOM OF TOP LEFT
SECTION)

Transcript of Terri Schiavo's Bonescan performed on 3-5-91, about a
year after her mysterious "collapse" when no one was with her but
her "husband" Michael who wants her dead and has tried to murder her
several times since then!):
___________________________________________________________________

831223741016
                      03-05-91

Theresa Schiavo

Nuclear Imaging

BONE SCAN

3-5-91

Indication: Evaluate for trauma

Procedure and findings. Multiple gama camera images of the axial
[trunk] and proximal appendicular [limbs] skeleton in the anterior
[front] and posterior [back] projections were obtained following 2.1
millicuries of technetium 99m HDP.

There are an extensive number of focal abnormal areas of nuclide
accumulation of intense type. These include multiple bilateral ribs,
the costovertebral [where ribs and vertebra come together] aspects of
several of the thoracic [upper] vertebral bodies, the L1 [lower]
vertebral body, both sacroliac joints, the distal right femoral
diaphysis, both knees and both ankles, the right greater than the
left.

Correlative radiographs are obtained of the lumbar spine and of the
right femur [leg bone] which reveal compression fracture; minor,
superior and plate of L1, and shaggy, irregular periosteal
ossification along the distal femoral diaphysis, and metaphysis
primarily ventrally. [calcification showing where bones were broken
and have healed].

The patient has a history of trauma. Most likely the femoral
periosteal reaction reflects a response to a subperiosteal hemorrhage
and the activity in L1 correlates perfectly with the compression
fracture which is presumably traumatic.

The presumptions is that the other multiple areas of abnormal
activity also relate to previous trauma. Additional possibilities
would be neoplastic bone disease, widespread disseminated infectious
bone disease or multiple bone infarcts from abnormal hemoglobin.

CONCLUSION: Multiple areas of abnormal scintigraphic [actinographic?]
accumulation, some of which are radiograph for differential as
discussed above.

W. Campbell Walker M.D./mjt

Dictated 3-5-91

Transcribed ?-5-91

Lee Memorial Hospital

(End of transcript of Bone Scan)

NOTE: The person who helped with the spelling and definitions said
simply, what the doctor described would most likely be the results of
someone who had been kicked, and kicked and kicked.

The ER report said her "neck was rigid". From the videos we've seen
on Terri's website, it appears that the 'rigid neck' continues. As
she was following the movement of a balloon, she tracked it to the
right by turning her head; as it was moved to her left side you'll
notice she tracks it only with her eyes. When the Priest would come
in to pray with her -- even though she tried -- she wasn't able to
bow her head "because of her stiff neck". Remember "the doctor
reviewing these records testified that the only other patient he
treated with similar injuries was the victim of an attempted
strangulation."

If a person is strangulated it follows there would be a loss of
oxygen to the brain -- causing brain damage -- as the blood supply
was blocked. - Jackie

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/bonescan.htm
(Transcript of Bonescan can be found at link above)

http://terrisfight.org/images/bonescan.jpg
(Image of Bonescan can be found at link above)


Also see Nuerologist Dr. William Hammesfahr's Complete Report
on his lengthy edamination of Terri Schiavo, performed on
September 12, 2002:
http://terrisfight.org/documents/Hammesfahrexam.htm

From Hammesfahr's report cited at link above:
" The neck exam was abnormal. She had severe limitation of range of
motion in the flexion, and to a lesser degree in extension.  Indeed,
I was able to pick up her entire torso and head and neck area with
pressure on the back of her neck in the suboccipital region.  These
findings of cervical spasm and limitation of range of motion are
consistent with a neck injury.  No bruits were identified."

Continuing, "Spinal Exam:  The patient's exam from a spinal
perspective is abnormal.  The degree of limitation of range of
motion, and of spasms in her neck, is consistent with a neck injury.
The abnormal sensory exam, that shows evidence of her hypoxic
encephalopathic strokes (right side sensory responses are different
from left) also suggests a spinal cord injury at around the level of
C4.  Her physical exam and videotapes also suggest a spinal cord
injury is also present, as she has much better control over he face,
head, and neck, than over her arms and legs.  This reminds one of a
person with a spinal cord injury who has good facial control, but
poor use of arms and legs.  It is possible that a correctable spinal
abnormality such as a herniated disk may be found that could be
treated and result in better neurological functioning. This should be
looked for, as may be treatable. Thus, there may be an injured disk
or spinal cord; the disk injury is more treatable, the spinal cord
injury, if present without a disk injury, may be more difficult to
treat. A person with a spinal cord injury and hypoxic encephalopathy
will need different treatment and rehab recommendations than one who
just has a hypoxic encephalopathic."

"Interestingly, I have seen this pattern of mixed brain (cerebral)
and spinal cord findings in a patient once before, a patient who was
asphyxiated."

END OF EXCERPTS FROM DR. HAMMESFAHR'S COMPLETE REPORT
OF SEPT. 12, 2002 EXAM ON TERRI



(OBVIOUSLY, Michael wants to murder Terri - finish off what he
started on February 25, 1991 -, and shut her up FOR GOOD!  That's why
he stopped allowing her to have any type of therapy whatsoever in
early 1993, RIGHT AFTER HE GOT THE MONEY IN THE MALPRACTICE CASE,
WHICH HE GOT BASED ON LIES AND FOR SUING OVER MEDICAL ERRORS WHICH
NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED.  HE SUED BASED ON THE FACT THAT TERRI
COLLAPSED DUE TO SHE HAD A POTASSIUM IMBALANCE, AND CLAIMED HER
DOCTOR SHOULD HAVE TESTED FOR THIS.  HE WON THE MONEY BASED ON THIS
AND HE ALSO TRIED TO MAKE THE WORLD THINK TERRI HAD EITHER ANOREXIA
OR BULIMIA, WHICH ARE BOTH LIES!  THE POTASSIUM IMBALANCE SHE HAD AT
THE TIME OF HER COLLAPSE WILL BE WRITTEN ABOUT ELSEWHERE ON THIS SITE
AS SOON AS I GET TO IT).

This is just ONE HUGE conflict of interest Michael Schiavo has with
being Terri's Guardian, not to mention the fact that he spent the
money she was awarded in the malpractice case on legal bills in order
to murder her by removing her feeding tube and withholding ORAL food
and fluids!  What about the fact that Michael told the jury and court
in the malpractice case he would care for Terri the rest of her life,
and get her all the therapy she needed, (I guess he meant he'd care
for her $$$ before and after he murdered her), then, after he was
awarded the money (he actually received it in January, 1993), he has,
ever since then, allowed Terri to have NO FURTHER REHABILITATION!  He
won't even let Terri hold anything in her hand to keep her
fingernails from touching her palms - he considers that a "form of
therapy" (per her former caregivers' affidavit).  There's also
another HUGE conflict of interest that Michael is living with another
woman and has been for several years, and the fact that he has sired
two children with her, yet he refuses to divorce Terri, due to then
he wouldn't be her Guardian, thus he wouldn't be entitled to any
insurance money he may get if she died, and he wouldn't be IN CONTROL
of everything he illegally does to her, AND MOST OF ALL, SHE WOULD
GET BETTER WITH TONS OF WITHHELD-FOR-OVER A DOZEN YEARS FULL THERAPY
AND REHABILITATION THAT EXPERTS WOULD GIVE HER, AND THEN SHE MIGHT BE
ABLE TO LEARN TO COMMUNICATE ENOUGH TO TELL THE WORLD WHAT MICHAEL
DID TO HER ON THAT FATEFUL DAY ON FEBRUARY 25, 1990 (AND BEFORE THEN,
PER THE BONESCAN REGARDING PREVIOUS TRAUMA SHE HAD SUFFERED!!!)


(Back to what Gov. Bush was doing in August, 2003 re:  Terri):

"The judge is free to pay no attention whatever to the governor's
letter as it is not a formal document in the case," said Smith.

And that's exactly what Greer did.

"I read the letter because it came from the governor and I respect
his position," Greer told the Associated Press. "Beyond that, it is
going in the file."

Greer insisted that he is bound by the 2nd District Court of Appeals
order of June 6 to set a hearing date for removal of the feeding tube
and that he is "not inclined" to appoint another guardian. At
present, Terri's legal guardian is her husband, Michael Schiavo.

On Friday, the Florida Supreme Court upheld the appeals court ruling
by refusing to intervene in the case. Greer has scheduled a hearing
for Sept. 11, at which time he will set a date for removing the tube,
which will result in Terri's death by starvation and dehydration
within 10 to 14 days.

At a news conference Tuesday, Schiavo said he wished the governor
would keep his thoughts to himself.

"This is not about Jeb Bush, it's not about the Schindlers, and it's
not about me," he said, according to WFLA-TV in Tampa. "It's about
Terri, and it always has been about Terri."

As WorldNetDaily reported, Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of
Gulf Port, Fla., have been locked in a decade-long battle with their
son-in-law over the care and custody of their daughter, who suffered
massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago
under unexplained circumstances at the age of 26. She left no written
instructions detailing treatment in the event she ever became
incapacitated.

Two years after Terri's collapse a jury awarded Schiavo $1.3 million
in a malpractice lawsuit he brought against her doctors. The money
was placed in a trust fund to pay for medical treatment and
rehabilitation, but she has received no therapy in over 10 years and
only minimal nursing care.

The bitter family dispute over the quality of her care escalated into
a major euthanasia battle five years ago when Schiavo petitioned the
court for permission to have Terri's feeding tube removed, claiming
she is in a persistent vegetative state from which she can never
recover and that she would not want to be kept alive by "artificial
means." The Schindlers and a growing number of doctors and
professionals in the field of rehabilitation of disabled people claim
she could recover with therapy, but the courts have consistently
sided with Schiavo and his lawyer, right-to-die advocate George
Felos.

Smith, who has written two major books on euthanasia, "Forced Exit"
and "The Culture of Death," is a recognized authority on medical
ethics and the social dynamics of what he calls "food-and-fluid"
cases like Terri's. When it comes to discussing her case – the way
it's being handled in the courts and its wider ramifications – he
doesn't mince words.

"Basically Terri is to be denied food and water because she's
disabled," Smith said bluntly. "It's discrimination against disabled
people. If you did this to a horse you'd go to jail."

Since filing his petition in 1998, Schiavo has maintained that in
seeking his wife's death by starvation he's only carrying out her
wishes. He says that despite her not having left any written
instructions, she once told him that she would not want to "be a
burden" or to be kept alive "on anything artificial." Later, his
brother Scott and another brother's wife recalled Terri had made
similar statements to each of them on separate occasions, that
she "would not want any kind of life support."

Smith is skeptical of such recollections and of the notion that the
once-vital young woman would choose to be starved to death rather
than receive therapy and be nourished by means of a simple feeding
tube through her abdomen to her stomach.

The key issue

"I find it interesting that [Schiavo and his relatives] never said
that when the medical malpractice suit was pending and the money
wasn't in the bank," Smith remarked. "That to me is the key issue.
That affects credibility. ... Casual statements that are brought up
long after the fact, after the money is in the bank, when the same
kind of statements were never made to the father or mother or the
siblings, and we have apparently no other independent friends of hers
other than those related to the husband – these statements strike me
as not very convincing evidence."

Nonetheless, Judge Greer accepted these alleged remarks by Terri as
indicative of her wishes.

Smith also took umbrage at the fact Schiavo has been allowed to act
as Terri's guardian despite several attempts by the Schindlers to
have him removed from that role.

"It's beyond the pale to me that a man who wants to remarry – and has
one child with his fiancée and is expecting another – is allowed to
have any say in this whatsoever when there's such an obvious conflict
of interest," Smith exclaimed. "It gives a whole new meaning to [the
saying] 'til death do us part,' doesn't it?"

The fact that Schiavo would inherit upon her death whatever is left
in Terri's medical trust fund set up with the money from the
malpractice suit presents a second conflict of interest.

"Because he has a stake in her death – he wishes to remarry and at
the same time would inherit whatever is left of her medical trust
fund – that he should not be the one making these decisions," said
Smith. "That should be done by the people who want to care for her –
her parents and siblings – and why a judge can't see that is beyond
me," he exclaimed.

Smith says the case for Terri's death is very weak. She is not
unconscious; she's clearly interacting with her environment – which
means she is not a candidate for court-ordered starvation under
Florida laws.

(Note:  The court didn't order she not be given ORAL food and water
once her feeding tube was removed, neither did the court clarify that
Terri could be given ORAL food and water.  Nonetheless, anyone who
allowed ORAL food and water to be withheld once the feeding tube was
removed can and should be withheld as guilty of attempted murder...
and those assisting to make sure Terri received no ORAL food and
water should be held as accesories to attempted murder as well!)

Moreover, the evidence claiming that she once said she would not want
to be kept alive if incapacitated is suspect.

"In the event of such a weak case – unless it's decided that people
like Terri do not deserve to live – you would give the benefit of
every doubt to life," Smith said. "But in our society today, because
of this right-to-die advocacy and the idea that it isn't the sanctity
of human life that counts but the quality of human life, the benefit
of doubt is being moved towards the side of death."

Smith warns that if it becomes acceptable and legal to withhold food
and water, the next step will be to promote lethal injection or other
simple method of terminating unwanted patients. The cases would
provide "a backdoor entrée" to euthanasia.

"Once the food-and-fluid cases become accepted, the logic is why
protract [death] for 14 days and deal with all that kind of stuff;
let's give them a needle," he said.

(Note by saveterrislife:  EUTHANASIA BY LETHAL INJECTION HAS BEEN
GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME IN THE NETHERLANDS, AND IT ALL STARTED
AFTER ONE WOMAN'S FOOD AND FLUIDS WERE ORDERED TO BE WITHHELD BY THE
COURT! THE FOLLOWING ARE SOME EXCERPTS OF DIRE WARNINGS TO AMERICA
FROM A PRESS RELEASE FROM "CRY FOR LIFE", AN ANTI EUTHANASIA GROUP IN
HOLLAND, HEADED BY A DOCTOR:

"The decision of the 6th Circuit Court of Florida is more important
than the Supreme Court Decision to ban euthanasia in the United
States of America. This Florida Court decision opens the (flood)gate
of subjective decision making in cases of life and death.

At the moment that, in the Dutch debate on euthanasia, a court ruled
that withholding food and fluid is a permissible medical treatment
the road was paved for the Euthanasia Law that is in force in Holland
now. It was in the case of Mrs. Ineke Stinissen, who had been in coma
for several years that a Dutch court ruled in 1990 that food and
fluid could be withheld from her. As is the case of Mrs. Schiavo,
this was at the request of her husband. Mrs. Stinissen died shortly
afterwards from starvation.

Since then the discussion about the termination of life has no longer
been based on objective facts on the terminal illness in the life of
a patient, but more and more on a subjective approach to the quality
of that patient's life and the subjective view of professional and
non professional persons about the right to life or death.

National Constitutions, the International Declaration on Human
Rights, the recent United Nations Declarations are all based on the
universal protection of the life of a person whatever his
circumstances are and without any form of discrimination. In medical
circles it is still accepted that, based on the historical
Hippocratic Oath, a medical doctor will never apply his skill to kill
a person.

It is not without reason that the United Nations Human Rights
Commission has questioned the Dutch Government expressing its
members' concern on the subjective regulations in the Dutch
Euthanasia law which allows a doctor to kill a patient. These
questions are still not answered. In Holland the debate has not
stopped with the introduction of the euthanasia law but is is even
increasing because doctors are still not willing to report their
euthanasia cases. Patients are not sure if the doctor helps to kill
or to cure. The Dutch Euthanasia Law is a very dangerous example to
follow.

It is extremely important that those organizations who support the
Supreme Court decision to ban Euthanasia take action against this
Florida Court Decision. An appeal should be made.

We are available to help to answer your questions and to testify in
this case.


----- Original Message -----
From: melissa roxanne (saveterrislife)
To: rschindlersr@... ; bobby@... ;
suzanne@... ; phenn@... ; fran@... ;
dave@...
Cc: alex@... ; tips@... ; terrishope@...
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: HOLLAND ANTI EUTHANASIA GROUP WILL TESTIFY FOR TERRI


THIS WAS POSTED ON APFN.ORG'S MESSAGE BOARD @
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html  ON 10-25-03 AND SUBJECT
LINE SAID Florida's Terri Case Opens the Door for Euthanasia in the
U — APFN, Sat Oct 25 17:02.

THEY ARE IN HOLLAND AND WANT TO TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF TERRI AND ANY
ANTI EUTHANASIA CASES!  READ THIS E-MAIL, PLEASE!  READ WHAT HAPPENED
IN HOLLAND DUE TO ONE PERSON WHO WAS MURDERED THAT LET THE FLOOD
GATES WIDE OPEN TO MURDER ANYONE WILLY NILLY, JUST AS IT HAPPENED IN
NAZI GERMANY!!!

I KNEW ALL ALONG THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING OVER HERE!  TERRI
IS NOT THE FIRST THEY HAVE MURDERED OR ATTEMPTED TO MURDER OVER HERE,
BUT IF THEY DO MURDER HER, THE FLOOD GATES WILL SWING WIDE OPEN,
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE EVIL POWERS THAT BE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH!
JUST LOOK AT ALL MEDIA LIES/PROPAGANDA!!!  THEY WANT THE USA TO BE
THE 4TH REICH AND DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID IN GERMANY!

THE PERSON WHO POSTED THIS DID NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTACT YOU SO I
COPIED AND PASTED THEIR POST AND E-MAILED IT TO YOU.  I WILL ALSO
SEND THEM YOUR CONTACT INFO. IF I CAN E-MAIL THEM.

APFN
Florida's Terri Case Opens the Door for Euthanasia in the USA
Sat Oct 25 17:02:33 2003
64.140.158.73

Florida's Terri Case Opens the Door for Euthanasia in the USA

Maybe someone knows who to contact here? They are willing to help!
Anyone with any connections to Terri 's Camp?

We are available to help to answer your questions and to testify in
this case!

Reprinted with permission of Bert P. Dorenbos, President Schreeuw om
Leven (Cry for Life) Hilversum, Holland
Ph. +31 35 6244352, e-mail web site:
http://www.schreeuwomleven.nl/english.htm

We are available to help to answer your questions and to testify in
this case!

http://www.wf-f.org/euthanasiainholland.html




Strong Euthanasia Warning from Holland

By Bert P. Dorenbos, President Schreeuw om Leven (Cry for Life)
Hilversum, Holland

Florida's Terri Case Opens the Door for Euthanasia in the USA

Florida's 6th Circuit Court Judge George Greer has ordered that Mrs.
Terri Schindler-Schiavo's feeding tube be removed as of Wednesday
October 15th at 2 P.M. That tube provides her with essential
nutrition and hydration.

The request for this decision came from Mrs. Schiavo's husband
Michael. Medical evidence and information given by Mrs. Schiavo's
parents and other visitors prove that ending her life is a violation
of Mrs. Schiavo's human rights.

The decision of the 6th Circuit Court of Florida is more important
than the Supreme Court Decision to ban euthanasia in the United
States of America. This Florida Court decision opens the (flood)gate
of subjective decision making in cases of life and death.

At the moment that, in the Dutch debate on euthanasia, a court ruled
that withholding food and fluid is a permissible medical treatment
the road was paved for the Euthanasia Law that is in force in Holland
now. It was in the case of Mrs. Ineke Stinissen, who had been in coma
for several years that a Dutch court ruled in 1990 that food and
fluid could be withheld from her. As is the case of Mrs. Schiavo,
this was at the request of her husband. Mrs. Stinissen died shortly
afterwards from starvation.

Since then the discussion about the termination of life has no longer
been based on objective facts on the terminal illness in the life of
a patient, but more and more on a subjective approach to the quality
of that patient's life and the subjective view of professional and
non professional persons about the right to life or death.

National Constitutions, the International Declaration on Human
Rights, the recent United Nations Declarations are all based on the
universal protection of the life of a person whatever his
circumstances are and without any form of discrimination. In medical
circles it is still accepted that, based on the historical
Hippocratic Oath, a medical doctor will never apply his skill to kill
a person.

It is not without reason that the United Nations Human Rights
Commission has questioned the Dutch Government expressing its
members' concern on the subjective regulations in the Dutch
Euthanasia law which allows a doctor to kill a patient. These
questions are still not answered. In Holland the debate has not
stopped with the introduction of the euthanasia law but is is even
increasing because doctors are still not willing to report their
euthanasia cases. Patients are not sure if the doctor helps to kill
or to cure. The Dutch Euthanasia Law is a very dangerous example to
follow.

It is extremely important that those organizations who support the
Supreme Court decision to ban Euthanasia take action against this
Florida Court Decision. An appeal should be made.

We are available to help to answer your questions and to testify in
this case.

Reprinted with permission of Bert P. Dorenbos, President Schreeuw om
Leven (Cry for Life) Hilversum, Holland
Ph. +31 35 6244352, e-mail web site:
http://www.schreeuwomleven.nl/english.htm



(FROM) TERRISHOPE
(actually, someone on her list copied what she said from here down
regarding Michael Baden, Forensic Pathologist expert, and posted it
on apfn.net's msg. board and I included it in my e-mail to the
Schindlers, their attny, and others)
GREAT NEWS: Michael Schaivo LOOK OUT NOW!!!!
Sat Oct 25 06:19:21 2003
64.140.158.41

PLEASE Circulate this ASAP!!!
Okay now the pressure IS ON!!!
Michael Schaivo LOOK OUT NOW!!!!

World known Expert and Famed Forensic Pathologist Michael Baden Just
now appeared on FOX National News and stated that he received the
Medical records of Terri Schaivo and viewed them AND ... her injuries
are not consistent with anything like they are stating happened to
her! His words exactly were "This should have been INVESTIGATED!"
YES!!!!!!!!!!!

He said A LOT more then this, all real good, but I was yelling too
loud to hear him... he basically said she WAS HURT BY SOMEONE...
that's the english version. YES!!!! Poor thing. :(

This man is GREAT, I have seen him solve crimes that were
UNBELIEVABLE...Now we need to email him and tell him to keep going
PUBLIC PLEASE and SAVE HER Life and also Circulate this news... It
needs to get back to Michael, so he KNOWS the world will watch him
HANG for this!!!!! YES!!!!!! YES!!! YES!!! Thank God!!!
WHHHHOOOOOHOOOO Now you all can cheer, this news is GREAT NEWS for
us, we need to get it out!!! Anyone who find a phone number on him,
FAX, email or whatever email me ASAP...PLEASE and THANK YOU! YES!!!!
Read this if you don't know of him, I have watched him for years!
He's the BEST! Famed Forensic Pathologist Michael Baden and Former
FBI Agent Candice DeLong Headline Forensic Focus 2003
http://www.forensicnursemag.com/hotnews/35h29132744.html

(end of my e-mail from Oct. 25, 2003-saveterrislife)




(Now, back to the article "Just Thinkin' - Terri's On Death Row"):

Recently, Florida 's Governor, Jeb Bush, filed a Friend of the Court
brief asking the judge in the case to reconsider. Judge Greer didn't
skip a beat as he ordered the execution to continue. I asked my
listeners to contact Governor Bush and thousands of you did only to
be told the governor couldn't do anything further. This is not true.
Since a criminal act is technically being carried out, Governor Bush
can intervene by demanding a criminal investigation. A dozen
prominent lawyers say the same thing including these two: "Not only
does the governor have such power, but the governor has the
constitutional duty to prevent any action taken pursuant to such a
court order, because such action would violate Ms. Schindler-
Schiavo's constitutionally guaranteed 'inalienable right to enjoy and
defend life' regardless of her 'physical disability' as secured by
Article 1 Section 2 of the Florida State Constitution," wrote
constitutional attorney Herb Titus, of Chesapeake, Va., in a
memorandum faxed to the governor's legal office.



(Note from saveterrislife:  BE SURE TO READ ALL OF THESE ATTORNEYS'
LETTERS/MEMOS TO GOVERNOR BUSH.  THEY WERE ALL DELIVERED TO GOV. BUSH
ON EITHER OCTOBER 15TH OR OCTOBER 16, 2003 AND THEY WILL BLOW YOUR
MIND IF YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF THEM!  READ THEM AND ASK YOURSELF WHY
GOVERNOR BUSH KEPT INSISTING HE COULD NOT INTERVENE AND STOP TERRI'S
ATTEMPTED MURDER!  ASK YOURSELF IF THESE EXPERT ATTORNEYS ALL
EMPHATICALLY INFORMED GOVERNOR BUSH HE ALREADY HAD THE POWER (AS
GOVERNOR) TO ACT AND THAT HE MUST ACT, WHY THEN DID GOVERNOR BUSH
TOTALLY IGNORE THESE EXPERT ATTORNEYS AND DO NOTHING FOR ABOUT AN
ENTIRE WEEK See ALL of the attorneys' letters here:

Memorandum from John B. Thompson, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_2.htm

Memorandum from Brian Fahling, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_3.htm

Memorandum from Herbert Titus, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_4.htm

Memorandum from Gibbs Law Firm, P.A. signed by David C. Gibbs III
and Enclosure to Governor Bush Re:  "Motion For Clarification and
Supplemental Request For Implementation of Order" which shows the
Schindlers, (Terri's parents), asked Judge Greer to clarify that
Terri could be given ORAL food and water after her feeding tube was
removed) The Motion listed on this webpage was mistakenly listed at
the bottom of the page)  *see link cited below to read Gibbs' and
Thompsons' letters to Gov. Bush*

Note:  It is illegal to withhold ORAL (by mouth) food and water even
AFTER a feeding tube is removed.  This is state sponsored EUTHANASIA,
which is ILLEGAL IN FLORIDA!  THIS IS ATTEMPTED MURDER OF TERRI
SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO, WHICH HAS HAPPENED TWICE NOW IN FLORIDA!!!

Plus,

Memorandum from John B. ("Jack") Thompson, Attorney
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm

Memorandum from the Thomas More Law Center:
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_6.htm

Also see the Press Release
Issued on October 16, 2003
Re:  these attorneys' letters to Bush and the question:

Legal Solution Now on Hand —
Will Governor Bush Intervene and Save Terri's Life?



To: National Desk

Contact: Gary McCullough, 202.546.0054

Society for Truth and Justice Press Release, Randall Terry President

Legal Solution Now on Hand—Will Governor Bush Intervene and Save
Terri's Life?

The following Internet links will take you to documents that are in
the hands of Governor Jeb Bush.
Printed copies of these documents were made available to the press at
the 11:30 AM, October 16, Press Conference.

Memorandum from the Thomas More Law Center

Memorandum from Herbert Titus, Attorney

Memorandum from John B. Thompson, Attorney

Memorandum from Brian Fahling, Attorney

All these documents are available online at: www.TerrisFight.org

Judge Greer ordered that Terri Schindler-Schiavo be denied food and
water starting at 2 PM yesterday, October 15. The family continues to
ask Governor Bush to save Terri's life.

A 24-hour vigil for Terri continues to be held in front of the
Woodside Hospice, located at 6774 102nd Avenue N. (near 66th Street N
and 102nd Avenue N) in Pinellas Park, Florida.

"Legal experts from around the country agree that Governor Bush has
the authority to save Terri Schindler-Schiavo's life. We know he has
the power, the question is; does he have the political will."—Randall
Terry, President of the Society for Truth and Justice


Details on Terri Schindler-Schiavo and her fight to stay alive is
available online at www.terrisfight.org


Society for Truth and Justice

3501-B North Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 394 -- Saint Augustine, FL
32084

Now, back to the article "Terri's On Death Row":


Attorney Richard Thompson, who heads the Thomas More Law Center, a
public-interest law firm in Ann Arbor, Mich., writes that Terri is "a
victim of abuse and neglect," and under Florida law, "it is a crime
to abuse or neglect a disabled adult" and to encourage another person
to do so. He wants a full criminal investigation into all aspects of
the case.

An infamous demon who once walked in our midst embraced the concept
of killing the infirmed and needy. The practice is called euthanasia
and the famous one was Adolf Hitler. If we do not learn from history
then, as the saying goes, history will repeat itself. "Nice try
Darrell but your analogy at the beginning of this article isn't the
same thing; Sam could grow into someone special but Terry's better
days are behind her." How do we know that? Could not the same mystery
that struck her down reverse itself? With rehabilitation, which she
has never had, couldn't she have a fighting chance? To stop a
person's life just because they don't conform to our standards puts
us in the same league as Heir Hitler and while we ask how anyone
could have helped him man the death chambers in the concentration
camps we must look in the mirror because they are us.

How strange is it that Florida is the same state that put a law on
the books last month to keep a rock band from allowing a terminally
ill man to kill himself on stage

( http://www.nme.com/news/106358.htm )

yet will allow a full-fledge murder to take place? Very strange
indeed!    We owe it to Terry to fight for her life but equally
important is the fact that we owe it to our civilization. If we allow
legalized murder just because someone can not take care of themselves
then how much longer can we expect to exist as a nation? Great
nations have fallen for lesser sins than this! Please don't let it be
lost on any of us that Terri's body is already shutting down and in
mere days she will join "Sam" as another brutal statistic while good
men and women slept. May God have mercy on our souls.



Contact Governor Jeb Bush and demand that he open a criminal
investigation: jeb.bush@... or jeb@... .

You can also fax Governor Bush @ 850-922-4292, or you can call his
office @ 850-488-4441. Visit Terry's website at: www.terrisfight.org
Join the online petition at:
http://terrisfight.org/Framesets/RecentFrame.htm .

To contact the judge in this case personally, Pinellas-Pasco Florida
Circuit Judge George Greer Rm. 484, 315 Court Street Clearwater, FL
33756  (727) 464-3933

(The above article was written by Darrell Ankarlo -
This was written October 19, 2003)

Copyright 2003

www.ankarlo.net

http://www.ankarlo.net/TerrisonDeathRow.htm

----- Original Message -----
From: saveterrislife
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Judge: Terri Schiavo's Husband Can Be Deposed In
Guardianship Battle + Michael Files Papers In Terri's Law Case +
numerous other articles


Terri Schiavo attorney cites SBC resolution in legal motion
Published July 29, 2004

CLEARWATER (FBW) - Citing Terri Schiavo's right to freely exercise
her religious faith, her parents' lawyer July 20 added a new twist to
the case by arguing that removing the 40-year-old disabled woman's
feeding tube would be in direct violation of her religious beliefs.

http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/2883.article



Palliative Care for Elderly, Disabled, Worse Since Assisted Suicide
Legalized
July 28, 2004

Portland, OR (LifeNews.com) -- Despite claims by assisted-suicide
advocates that pain management for dying patients would improve after
the practice was legalized in Oregon, a new study has found that
palliative care for dying patients has gotten worse.

http://www.lifenews.com/bio406.html



Judge: Terri Schiavo's Husband Can be Deposed in Guardianship Battle

July 27, 2004

Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- A local judge has ruled that
attorneys for Terri's Schiavo's parents can depose her estranged
husband Michael. The decision means Michael must answer questions
under oath in the first deposition since 1999.

(Note:  I wonder if Michael will take the Fifth?)



Terri Schiavo's Estranged Husband Files Papers in Terri's Law Case

July 26, 2004


Tallahassee, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Lawyers for Terri Schiavo's
estranged husband Michael have filed papers in his effort to overturn
Terri's Law, the measure that allowed Florida Governor Jeb Bush to
prevent Terri from being starved to death. Pat Anderson, the attorney
for Terri's parents, tells LifeNews.com that the legal brief
is "inflammatory."


Terri Schiavo Case: UPDATE - WPVI
High Court to Hear Schiavo Case - Family News In Focus
Right-to-Die Statute Is Before Florida Justices - Los Angeles Times
(subscription)
Tallahassee Democrat - Philadelphia Inquirer (subscription) - all 137
related »



Terri Schiavo's Parents Say Killing Her Would Violate Her Catholic
Beliefs

July 22, 2004

Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- An attorney who represents Terri
Schiavo's parents is trying a new legal approach in the battle to
save the disabled woman from being euthanized by her estranged
husband. Bob and Mary Schindler say Terri would not want to die
because it violates her Catholic religious beliefs.

Withdrawing Food and Fluids Would Violate Terri Schiavo's Catholic ...
Lifesite, Canada - Jul 21, 2004
CLEARWATER, FL, July 21, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Attorney Patricia
Anderson, representing the parents of Terri Schindler-Schiavo, has
filed a motion in the ...

Schiavo's parents say Pope's speech supports keeping her alive
WJXX, FL - Jul 21, 2004
... to nutrition and health care, an attorney for Bob and Mary
Schindler filed a court motion asking a state judge to end efforts by
Terri Schiavo's husband to end ...


Schindlers Use Papal Decree In Schiavo Case
Tampa Tribune, FL - Jul 20, 2004
CLEARWATER - A judge should reconsider Terri Schiavo's wishes in
light of a recent pronouncement by Pope John Paul II, her spiritual
leader, the brain-damaged ...



If in doubt, presume life over death
Wilson County News, TX - Jul 20, 2004
... and Mary Schindler were recently banned by their son-in-law,
Michael Schiavo, from seeing their cognitively disabled daughter,
Terri Schiavo, now confined to a ...




Schiavo's parents challenge decision
Bradenton Herald, FL - Jul 16, 2004
... Robert and Mary Schindler and the American Center for Law and
Justice argue the state law passed in October aimed at keeping Terri
Schiavo alive is ...






Terri Schiavo's Parents File Brief Backing Law Preventing Her
Starvation

July 15, 2004

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Prevented from becoming a party in
the lawsuit seeking to overturn Terri's Law, the parents of Terri
Schiavo filed a friend-of-the-court brief on Thursday asking members
of the Florida Supreme Court to declare the law valid that saved
their daughter's life.


ACLJ Filing Brief with Florida Supreme Court in Support of ` ...
Business Wire (press release), CA - Jul 15, 2004
... filing today an amicus brief with the Florida Supreme Court in
defense of "Terri's Law," the emergency Florida legislation that
saved Terri Schiavo, a disabled ...





Hundreds of Patients in Belgium Dead From Euthanasia Since
Legalization
Brussels, Belgium (LifeNews.com) -- Hundreds of people have been put
to death in Belgium as a result of the legalization of euthanasia
there, according to statistics released last week. In all, 400 cases
of euthanasia have been documented in Belgium since the practice was
legalized two years ago.



Folks of brain-disabled woman battle to intervene in suit against ...
WorldNetDaily, OR - Jul 13, 2004
... To deny the parents of Terri Schiavo an opportunity to be
directly ... On May 6, Baird handed Schiavo another victory by ruling
Terri's Law unconstitutional. ...



Disabled Groups File Brief Backing Law That Saved Terri Schiavo

July 13, 2004
Tallahassee, FL (LifeNews.com) -- A group of seventeen disability
rights organizations filed a brief today defending Terri's Law, the
measure passed by the state legislature that allowed Florida Governor
Jeb Bush to save Terri Schiavo's life. The brief urges the Florida
Supreme Court to affirm Terri's right to food and water.



AROUND THE NATION FROM WIRE REPORTS
Roanoke Times, VA - Jul 10, 2004
... The parents of Terri Schiavo filed legal papers Friday appealing
last week's ruling denying them permission to enter the case brought
by their son-in-law ...


President Bush Asks Court to Reconsider Oregon Assisted Suicide Ruling
San Francisco, CA (LifeNews.com) -- President Bush is asking a
federal appeals court to reconsider its decision overturning a Bush
administration ruling that prohibited federally regulated drugs from
being used in assisted suicides in Oregon. Attorney General John
Ashcroft ruled last year that the drugs used in Oregon assisted
suicides can't be used.


ACLJ Asks Florida Appeals Court to Reconsider Decision Denying ...
Business Wire (press release), CA - Jul 9, 2004
... Court of Appeals to reconsider its decision of last week
rejecting a request of Robert and Mary Schindler - the parents of
Terri Schiavo - to intervene ...



Terri Schiavo's Parents Appeal Decision Denying Standing in Key
Lawsuit   July 9, 2004
Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- The parents of Terri Schiavo have
filed an appeal of a local judge's decision denying them standing to
participate in the lawsuit filed by Terri's estranged husband Michael
against Terri's Law. That's the measure that allowed Governor Bush to
save Terri's life.


Right-To-Die Case Woman's Parents May Sue
Miami Herald (subscription), FL - Jul 9, 2004
The parents of Terri Schiavo filed legal papers Friday appealing last
week's ruling denying them permission to enter the case brought by
their son-in-law ...



Terri Schiavo's Parents Rebuffed in Effort to Appoint New Legal
Guardian   July 7, 2004
Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Bob and Mary Schindler received a
setback in their effort to appoint a new legal guardian for their
daughter, Terri Schiavo. Judge George Greer dismissed a legal motion
that would have required Terri's estranged husband Michael to prove
that his is still qualified to make her medical decisions.




State defends action in Schiavo case
Chicago Tribune (subscription), IL - Jul 7, 2004
... Bush and Florida lawmakers approved the law six days after the
tube had been removed, forcing doctors to reinsert the tube to keep
Terri Schiavo alive.





Arguments filed in Terri Schiavo case
Washington Times, DC - Jul 7, 2004
... Jeb Bush, argued in his brief that a jury is entitled to find out
what Terri Schiavo, who has been on life support for more than a
decade, would want today. ...



Terri Schiavo's Law Defended in Brief From Governor Bush's
Attorneys   July 6, 2004

Tallahassee, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Attorneys for Florida Governor Jeb
Bush continued their effort to defend Terri's Law with a brief filed
on Tuesday in preparation for a hearing at the Florida Supreme Court.
The high court will determine whether or not the law is
constitutional or violates the state's constitution.


http://www.lifenews.com/bioethics.html (More older articles re:
Terri are here)



Florida's governor defends special law passed to keep brain ...
WAFF, AL - Jul 6, 2004
Florida's Supreme Court is set to take up the Terri Schiavo (SHY'-
voh) case August 31st, after a lower court struck down the
legislation known as "Terri's Law ...


Terri's Schiavo's parents may not intervene in right-to-die law
CourtTV - Jul 1, 2004
"Terri's Law," passed in October, allowed Gov. Jeb Bush to order the
reinsertion of a feeding tube keeping Terri Schiavo alive. ...


Terri Schiavo's parents excluded from court case
Bradenton Herald, FL - Jul 1, 2004
... Mary Schindler to join the fight over the constitutionality of a
law the Legislature passed last year that authorized the governor to
save Terri Schiavo's life ...


The State In Brief
Orlando Sentinel (subscription), FL - Jul 1, 2004
... and Mary Schindler to join the fight about the constitutionality
of a law the Legislature passed last year authorizing the governor to
save Terri Schiavo's life ...


Bush could learn from his lawyer
St. Petersburg Times, FL - Jun 27, 2004
... Bush is appealing Circuit Judge W. Douglas Baird's decision to
declare unconstitutional the law allowing Bush to keep brain-damaged
Terri Schiavo on a feeding ...

**_Pending Court Cases_**

Schiavo case takes Bizzare turn: Watts opposes 'Terri's Law', Jeb
Bush in court:

From: http://HomeTown.AOL.com/Gww1210 ;

http://www.GeoCities.com/Gordon_Watts32313

Breaking News: Thur 29
July 2004: TERRI'S LAW CASE TAKES BIZZARE TURN: Our fearless editor,
Gordon Watts, files friend of the court brief, supporting Michael
Schiavo. When contacted, Watts had no comment. Documents and updates
for this case here:
http://www.geocities.com/Gordon_Watts32313/CourtCases.html#TerrisLawCa
se

http://hometown.aol.com/Gww1210/myhomepage/CourtCases.html#TerrisLawCa
se

www.geocities.com/Gordon_Watts32313/CourtCases.html#TerrisLawCase

www.hometown.aol.com/Gww1210/myhomepage/CourtCases.html#TerrisLawCase


IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA
MICHAEL SCHIAVO, as the Guardian of the person of THERESA MARIE
SCHIAVO
v.
JEB BUSH, Governor of the State of Florida, and CHARLIE CRIST,
Attorney General of the State of Florida
Case Number: SC04-925
Lower Tribunal Case Number: 2D04-2045
Circuit Court Case Number: 2003-008212-CI-20

NOTICE OF RELATED CASE; CONCURRENT MOTIONS for Amicus Brief by GORDON
WATTS, in support of Michael Schiavo's petition to affirm;
MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE In MicroSoft Word Format
AMICUS CURIAE BRIEF BY AMICUS GORDON WATTS in support of Appellee,
Michael Schiavo's petition to affirm In MicroSoft Word Format
APPENDIX TO ANSWER BRIEF OF AMICUS, GORDON WAYNE WATTS In MicroSoft
Word Format
Amicus Curiae - in support of Gov Bush's contention that
"Terri's
Law" is Constitutional (A "Friend of the Court" brief) In
MicroSoft
Word Format
Motion for Court to accept Amicus Curiae - in support of Gov
Bush's
contention that "Terri's Law" is Constitutional (Merely a
motion, a
formality here.) In MicroSoft Word Format

Comments:
Other briefs can be found at the Schiavo Case Information Page of the
Wilkes & McHugh, P.A. law firm, where Bush Attorney Ken Connor works.
Also, the Court Documents Section of The Official Terri Schiavo
Website and the The Wednesday, November 19, 2003 Press Release by
Governor Jeb Bush regarding Terri Schiavo court actions both provide
copies of some court briefs online. //NEW - This just in: Florida
Public Law 2003-418, commonly known as "Terri's Law," which was the
subject of this lawsuit here (Schiavo v. Bush), has been ruled
unconstitutional by Fla. 6th Circuit Judge, W. Douglas Baird. Case
Information on Schiavo Documents page of the Florida Supreme Court.

http://www.geocities.com/Gordon_Watts32313/CourtCases.html#TerrisLawCa
se

www.geocities.com/Gordon_Watts32313/CourtCases.html#TerrisLawCase


(Note from saveterrislife:

Here's why Gordon is opposing Terri's Law, quoted from Court Papers
filed by Gordon W. Watts on July 26, 2004:

"In support whereof, Movant cites the following: "This court is
committed to the doctrine that extraordinary relief will not be
granted in case where it plainly appears that although the
complaining party [Bush] may be ordinarily entitled to it, if the
granting of such relief in the particular case will result in
confusion and disorder and will produce an injury to the public which
outweighs the individual right of the complainant to have the relief
he seeks." State ex rel. Pooser v. Wester, 126 Fla. 49, 54 170 So.
736, 738-39 (Fla. 1936) (citations omitted; emphasis and comments
added; Justice Terrell for The Court)"

(End of quote from Court Documents filed by Gordon W. Watts)

* Also See Press Release From 8/5/04, (on this site),showing why many
citizens feel Terri's Law is NOT the answer! - end of note from
saveterislife)

http://www.geocities.com/Gordon_Watts32313/CourtCases.html#TerrisLawCa
se

www.geocities.com/Gordon_Watts32313/CourtCases.html#TerrisLawCase


**_Pending Court Cases_** (of Gordon W. Watts, re:  Terri Schiavo)


(Some cases are still pending; Click here for current information in
the Terri's Law case in the Supreme Court.)
Generally most recent first, but that's kind of hard because they
have different beginning and ending times.

| Brief Glossary of Terms: | Amicus Curiae - Also known as a "Friend
of the Court Brief." A brief submitted to the court by a party not
involved in the case but who claims to be affected by the outcome. |
Habeas Corpus - A Latin legal term, meaning literally, "Let's have
the body." A writ by a court ordering someone to show justifcation of
why a person is being deprived of a certain freedom or liberty. Most
frequently used by prisoners who feel they are illegally detained,
illegally sentenced to death, and also by parents who feel that their
child is not legally in the custody of the other parent. Habeas is
the oldest and most powerful writ of all, and, sometimes called
the "Great Writ," it can potentially test any illegal deprivation of
liberty or lack of protection from current and enforceable laws. |
Mandamus - A general, all purpose writ issued by the court, in which
an agency or body is commanded to perform its "ministerial duty." For
example, a lower court could be ordered to hold a hearing if law
mandates this, but the lower court could not be ordered to rule a
certain way. (A bad ruling by a lower court would be reviewable by
appeal.) The Division of Elections, for example, a state agency,
could be compelled to count votes if the law mandated such. |
Prohibition - A writ prohibiting certain illegal or erroneous action.
In Florida, Prohibition may only be issued against lower courts, due
to the way our State Constitution is written. Prohibition may only
prevent possible future actions, not correct past mistakes. | Quo
Warranto - A writ by a court asking "by what right" a certain action
is done. Most frequently, Quo Warranto is used to ask "by what right"
a person holds office, if there is doubt as to his/her legal right to
hold office. | Further terms on this page: Below, where it
says: "Small *.pdf File" and "Large *.pdf File," this means that you
have two (2) choices: A smaller file is easier to download quickly,
but a larger file is of a better photo quality. |


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Before the International Courts of the United Nations
Complaint Form of *URGENT* Nature before Petitions team Ofc of HCHR,
UN @ Geneva
Case Number: not assigned yet

Complaint Form In HTML Format ; In HTML-based Text Format

Comments:
Petitions Team
Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights
United Nations Office at Geneva
This is the *only* known complaint currently before the Office of the
High Commissioner for Human Rights of the United Nations as it
relates to Theresa Marie "Terri" Schindler-Schiavo's mistreatments,
which are believed to be a violation of International Human Rights
Law.



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IN THE SUPREME COURT OF FLORIDA
GORDON WAYNE WATTS
v.
Woodside Hospice House and Michael Schiavo, in his official capacity
as guardian of Theresa Marie Schiavo, et al.
Case Number: SC03-2420

Authorized motions for Clarification and Rehearing In MicroSoft Word
format
Order Dismissing In *.pdf format
Notice of Style Change; Motion for Discovery of Appendix and Items
listed; [Proper] Notice of Supplemental Authority In MicroSoft Word
Format
PROPER PETITION for Writ of Habeas Corpus; Concurrent with petitions
for writs of Quo Warranto, Prohibition, and the Extraordinary Writ of
Mandamus In MicroSoft Word Format
Comments: Court Order striking supplamental authority as having
argument (not available online yet; check with court's press agent or
online dockets --the supplamental authorities did not contain
argument, but they were incomplete; It was right for court to strike
them to force petitioner to submit a more complete brief and petition)
04/02/2004 : ORDER-SUPP AUTHORITY STRICKEN Petitioner's Notice of
Supplemental Authority does not comply with Florida Rule of Appellate
Procedure 9.225 and is hereby stricken as it contains argument.
Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus: NOTICE OF SUPPLAMENTAL AUTHORITY
In MicroSoft Word Format
Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus: APPENDIX In MicroSoft Word Format
Comments: The Supreme Court has styled the case: "IN RE: GORDON WAYNE
WATTS," when, actually, this case is in respect to Theresa Schiavo,
with Gordon Watts petitioning as "next friend" under the "Deeb v
Fabinski" standard.
03/08/2004 : ORDER-PETITION STRICKEN (NON-COMPLIANCE) The petition
for writ of habeas corpus, which was filed with this Court on
November 24, 2003, does not comply with Florida Rule of Appellate
Procedure 9.100 and is hereby stricken. Petitioner is directed, on or
before March 18, 2004, to file a proper petition naming at least one
respondent to these proceedings and addressing how petitioner has
standing to seek the relief requested in the petition. (04/02/04,
ORDER WAS CORRECTED TO INCLUDE ENTIRE SERVICE LIST, incl. Jay A.
Sekulow - 02/26/2004 ACK OF NEW CASE; 03/22/2004: FORWARDED TO
MARYLAND AVENUE ADDRESS.) Small *.pdf File ** Large *.pdf File
Acknowledgment of a new case: Notice from the Court (Before Supreme
Court of Florida) Small *.pdf File ** Large *.pdf File
Envelope for verification of Acknowledgment of a new case: Notice
from the Court (Before Supreme Court of Florida) Small *.pdf File **
Large *.pdf File
11/24/2003 PETITION-HABEAS CORPUS: [Original & 7 copies W/DISKS
(STRICKEN-SEE ORDER DATED 03/8/04)] In MicroSoft Word Format

Comments:
The Florida Supreme Court has continued to review this case --
refusing-- to dismiss it after over six (6) months. This alone should
dispell myths that Mr. Watts does not have standing to pursue the
petitions -or that the tact he's taking is somehow devoid of legal
basis. Indeed, valid cases get dismissed by the courts all the time
in short order, not the least of which was this case's "twin," 2D03-
5211, which was tossed by the Florida 2nd DCA after only one day
of "consideration." FLORIDA'S HIGH COURT could very well have chosen
to do the same but did not, for at least one reason: The case has
legal basis. Secondly, it is hypothosized that the thought of news
media looking on -"the world looking on," so to speak -keeps lower
elements in check, in a sort of perverse "checks and balences," in
which the fourth estate (news media) serves as a sort of fourth
branch of government.



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IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF APPEAL
OF THE SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT
IN AND FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA
GORDON WAYNE WATTS, Individually, As a Florida Citizen, Generally, on
behalf of similarly situated Citizens, and Specifically on behalf of
Theresa Marie Schindler-Schiavo,
v.
City of Pinellas Park, Florida, Police Department; Michael Schiavo,
in his official capacity as the guardian of Theresa Marie Schiavo;
Woodside Hospice House, Pinellas Park, Florida; Hon. George W. Greer,
Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit, Florida; Hon. W. Douglas Baird, Judge,
Sixth Judicial Circuit, Florida; Office of State Attorney, 6th
Judicial Circuit; Department of Children and Families, Adult
Protective Services (DCF-APS), et al.,
Case Number: 2D04-414
Lower Tribunal Number: 2003-005071AP-Section 88A;
UCN522003AP005071XXXXCV

Authorized Motions for Rehearing en banc, Rehearing (standard), etc.
(It appears I cover all the bases in these motions.) In MicroSoft
Word Format
Denial of Petition -- with prejudice -- by Fla. 2nd DCA (Not yet
availavle -- see the Court's docket for their side of the story) The
Register Homepage to keep you entertained in the interim
Initial Brief of the Petitioner/Appellant In MicroSoft Word Format
Acceptance by District Court of Appeal for Review From 2nd DCA's site
Denail of Authorized Motions for Certification and Clarification
(Fla. 6th Cir. Appellate Division) - Not available online yet: See
Onlines Records section of Fla. 6th Circuit Court Website, and look
under Last name: Watts, First name: Gordon. This is a "secure" site,
so an active link can't be posted here.
Petition to Fla. 2nd DCA for Writs of Mandamus & Prohibition
regarding lower tribunal, Fla. 6th Circuit's Appellate Division In
Rich Text Format ; In MicroSoft Word Format
Notice of Appeal to the Fla. 2nd DCA In Rich Text Format ; In
MicroSoft Word Format
AUTHORIZED MOTIONS FOR CERTIFICATION and FOR CLARIFICATION (Fla. 6th
Cir. App. Div.) In Rich Text Format ; In MicroSoft Word Format
MOTION TO REVERSE THE ORDER DISMISSING PETITION In MicroSoft Word
Format
Premature order denying rehearing Small *.pdf File ** Large *.pdf
File
Reply of Petitioner, opposing a motion to dismiss In MicroSoft Word
Format ; In Rich Text Format
Premature Order to Dismiss Small *.pdf File
Large *.pdf File
Motion to Dismiss for alleged lack of jurisdiction by Defendant,
Woodside Hospice (where Terri Schiavo lives) ~ In *.pdf format:
| Small *.pdf Files | | Page 1 | | Page 2 | | Page 3 | | Page 4 | |
Page 5 |
| Large *.pdf Files | | Page 1 | | Page 2 | | Page 3 | | Page 4 | |
Page 5 |
Reply in response to the Order of this Court (asking for info,
specifically to name defendants in style, not body) In Rich Text
Format ; In MicroSoft Word Format
Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus: INITIAL BRIEF OF THE PETITIONER
In MicroSoft Word Format

Comments:
This case is currently before the Fla. 2nd DCA. The Fla 6th Circuit
heading has been modified to reflect this, and the Fla. 2nd DCA is
pending a review of a motion for rehearing en banc, that is, before
the full court. One would think, based on recent rulings, that the
Courts must have thought the Lawemakers were just joking when they
made it a 2nd degree felony to deprive Theresa of standard food and
water? (Prisoners and animals get better treatment than this: In
either case, we cannot kill a pet dog --or a prisoner --by
starvation, or actually death by dehydration would occur first,
because you can't live as long without precious water. Can someone
say "double standard?") Nonetheless, one mustn't be disrespectful
towards the courts, for this entity consists of many individuals, all
different and all human, but we hope for Divine inspiration to help
human persiration here.



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IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF APPEAL
OF THE SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT
IN AND FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA
Gordon Wayne Watts
v.
The Sixth Judicial Circuit
Case Number: 2D03-5211
Lower Tribunal Number: 03-8212 CI 20

Order of the Court (Dismissing Petition) Small *.pdf File ** Large
*.pdf File
Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus: INITIAL BRIEF OF THE PETITIONER
In MicroSoft Word Format

Comments:
This case was "considered" before the Fla. 2nd DCA . You can go to
the Court's website and click on the scrolling online dockets marque
and input information, such as case number, to see current status of
this case or other cases.



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Gordon Wayne Watts
BS, The Florida State University, Biological and Chemical Sciences
AS, United Electronics Institute
821 Alicia Road
Lakeland, FL 33801-2113http://HomeTown.AOL.com/Gww1210 or
http://www.GeoCities.com/Gordon_Watts32313
Home: (863) 688-9880 Work: (863) 686-3411 Voice&FAX: (863) 687-6141
Gww1210@... ; Gww12102002@...
Truth is the strongest, most stable force in the Universe.
TRUTH doesn't bend to the will of tyrants.
Gordon Wayne Watts
Get Truth.

"First, they [Nazis] came for the Jews. I was silent. I was not a
Jew. Then they came for the Communists. I was silent. I was not a
Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists. I was silent. I
was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me. There was no one
left to speak for me." (Martin Niemoller, given credit for a
quotation in The Harper Religious and Inspirational Quotation
Companion, ed. Margaret Pepper (New York: Harper &Row, 1989), 429 -as
cited on page 44, note 17, of Religious Cleansing in the American
Republic, by Keith A. Fornier, Copyright 1993, by Liberty, Life, and
Family Publications.

(Actually, they may not have come for the Jews first, as it's far
more likely they came for the prisoners, mentally handicapped, and
other so-called "inferiors" first -as historians tell us -so they
could get "practiced up;" But, they did come for them -due to the
silence of their neighbors -and due, in part, to their own silence.
So the general idea is correct: "Speak up now, or forever hold your
peace." --gordon)

http://www.geocities.com/Gordon_Watts32313/CourtCases.html#TerrisLawCa
se

Many citizens Decry Weaknesses in Florida's "Terri's
Law;" Lakeland
Resident Tries Untested Legal Approaches in Florida Supreme Court to
Seek Compromise


Note: This Press Release contained quotes of individuals, which, in
many cases, were editied/shortened for length; The complete quotes -
along with additional contact info on these citizens -and the text
(with source) for "Terri's Law" is provided at the following links:

http://hometown.aol.com/Gww1210/myhomepage/TerrisLawPressRelease.html

or

http://www.geocities.com/gordon_watts32313/TerrisLawPressRelease.html


You can find the (shorter) press release with edited quotes here:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/8/prweb146899.htm




Many citizens Decry Weaknesses in Florida's "Terri's
Law;" Lakeland
Resident Tries Untested Legal Approaches in Florida Supreme Court to
Seek Compromise

Many citizens demand enforcement of State and Federal laws regarding
abuse of both the elderly and disabled. They are speaking out against
bias or lack of coverage in the press. Outraged citizens give
statements and sign with full contact information to validate.

(PRWEB) August 5, 2004 -- While many parties fight over the hastily-
passed "Terri's Law" in Florida's Supreme Court, the
only court
filings in recent months to offer any protection to the person
of "Terri Schiavo" are being filed by Terri's
family's attorney, Pat
Anderson, and Lakeland resident, Gordon Watts; Even were Florida
Governor, Jeb Bush, to win his court case, a clause in
"Terri's Law"
gives any future governor the right to remove Theresa Schiavo's
feeding tube. Further, this law "expired" 15 days after
passage,
which results in the governor's inability to issue any
"stay" in the
future to any other citizen, as was done with Schiavo.

Biologist, Gordon Watts, A.S., B.S., editor of the online
publication "The Register," has filed a request in
Florida's Supreme
Court, seeking acceptance of a brief, in support of Michael
Schiavo's
petition to avoid implementation of public law 03-418, the
disputed "Terri's Law." Watts, who previously supported
the hastily-
enacted law, has made a reversal in his position due to the law's
ineffectiveness to protect, as well as the fact the dispute
over "Terri's Law" has detracted much-needed focus from
actual
abuses. The 3 Watts briefs are posted at The Register website and
posted online at the Florida Supreme Court:

http://www.flcourts.org/pubinfo/summaries/briefs/04/04-925/index.html

Many other citizens who support Watts' efforts, have spoken out
against the shortcomings of "Terri's Law," and have
consented to
providing statements with full contact data, in response to claims
that Watts was alone in his complaints. (Excerpts)

1) "Terri's Law diverts public attention away from the crimes
Michael
Schiavo, appointed guardian, has perpetrated against the ward, Terri
Schindler Schiavo. The felony offenses are as follows: the
abuse/neglect of a disabled adult, practice of medicine without a
license and seeking to cause death via the illegal withholding of
oral fluids." Lisa Ruby, Webmaster 224 Reservoir St. North
Attleboro,
MA 02760 (508) 643-3285 http://www.LibertyToTheCaptives.net

2) "While many people are glad that Governor Bush has brought
needed
attention to the problems surrounding felony abuse of Terri
Schiavo…
many Floridians and Americans, myself included, have now come to the
conclusion that the fight over 'Terri's Law', had created a
distraction, diverting much needed focus to enforce the many felony
abuse laws in Florida, and to protect the vulnerable victims…"
Doug
Guillory, Hc 1 Box 490 Gainesville, MO 65655 DGCajun101@...

3) "…Theresa (an innocent disabled)…was not afforded and it
was not
demanded that she be afforded her retained rights to rehabilitation
and therapy…While not against 'Terri's Law' per se I am of the
opinion that the Florida Legislature and the Florida Governor did not
do enough…" Juan V. Schoch, Computer Field Engineer 630
Tomlinson
Terrace Lake Mary, FL 32746 407-925-4141 jvschoch@...
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/8/prweb145909.htm (Juan's
Press
Release)

4 and 5) "…Judge Greer has limited medical knowledge. He ought
to
follow Florida Statutes, and stop legislating and practicing medicine
from the bench…" (Joint statement) Joanne Kane, RN, Registered
Nurse
jk22586@... Karen Ward, RN, Registered Nurse 459 Golfview Drive
Naples, FL 34110 239-566-1573 User204014@...

6) "Terri's Law wasn't necessary. Existing laws are in
place…" Sheila
Fogarty 506 E. Douglas St. Elkhorn, Nebraska 68022 402-289-9662
sheilamsdlf@...

7) "Just because he is a 'judge' does not make him right…"
Sylvia
Scott 6560-82nd Ave. N. Pinellas Park, Fl 33781 Leister2222@...

8) "As a citizen of The United States of America and a nurse,
with
over twenty-three years of experience, I have closely followed the
Terri Schiavo case…[Terri has been denied antibiotics several
times
for what could have been life threatening for someone in a
debilitated state of health. She has been denied socialization and
contact with others, including her own family…" Donna J.
Blosser, RN,
Registered Nurse 1617 King St. South Charleston, West Virginia 25303
304-543-0481 Dbg949@...

9) "Whether or not Terri's Law is followed is immaterial; Terri
Schindler-Schiavo is being abused because she is not getting
rehabilitation. I had a severe brain stem injury in 75 and have since
graduated from grade school, high school, and college. I have a BA in
journalism, French, and English and a liberal arts degree. I had good
rehabilitation therapy. If we do not protect Terri, who is next?"
Catherine Elaine Critz, BA, Traumatic Brain Injury survivor 122
Avalon Creve Coeur, Illinois 61610-4013 309-698-9451
ccritz@...

10) "'The Governor may revoke the stay upon a finding that a
change
in the condition of the patient warrants revocation.' (Selection from
Terri's Law)…'Terri's Law' diverts attention away from the crimes
Michael Schiavo, a neglectful…husband…" Dr. Dee Rohe,
Acupuncture
Physician, Hon. Dr. of Div. 10170 S.W. 199th St. Miami, FL 33157-8625
305 232-6182 ; 305-238-5298 drrohe@...
http://4lifeshaperite.com/rumbles/health.html
http://4lifeshaperite.com/rumbles/globalrumblings.html

11) "…Terri is kept as a caged animal…" Janet Goulet,
Journal
Webmaster Middleburg, Florida JanetHappyGirl1@...
http://journals.aol.com/janethappygirl1/TerriSchiavo

12) "…I want to say that never in this country do we starve and
dehydrate people to death. That is a long, painful process and
absolutely barbaric. We don't do it to murderers; we don't do
it to
POW's: Why would we do it to disabled people?" Angie Harsh, Child
Therapist Hagerstown, MD 301-790-0241 Stutz619@...

13) "…I have been very concerned about this case for several
reasons,
first, because I am a nurse, and am all too familiar with Futile Care
Policy, which seems to be sweeping our nation…With the high
misdiagnosis rate for PVS, of 43%, I would think [more testing of
Terri Schiavo would be mandated by the court…" Julia K. Endsley,
RN,
Registered Nurse 4253 Hwy. 64 W. #11 Henderson, TX 75652
Brokenangel1957@...

14) "My interest in this case is to support a patient's right to
seek
and receive life preserving and life improving treatment. Physicians
commonly take the oath of Hippocrates in the process of receiving
their medical degree. That oath promises to save life and promote
health…" Dr. Russ Hills Ph.D., Author, "THE PRO$PERITY CULT" 145
Gregory Ln. S.E. Salem, Oregon 97302-5006 hillsralive2007@...

15) "…[Mike Schiavo's abuse of this disabled woman, with the
permission of Law Enforcement, Political leaders, and Nursing Home
and Healthcare Officials is criminal…" Devorah Hoger, Psychology
researcher, Author, "Mark of the Beast" © Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania
19148 215-708-2287 Motb52@...

16) "#1 Terri's Law is not strong enough to save Terri
Schiavo, and
#2, no one can participate in what under these circumstances would
constitute a judicial homicide, and at the same time retain a claim
to property, liberty, or life…" Robert J. More, Truck Driver
2008
South Blue Island Chicago, IL 60608 312-455-8385 CrxTLx@...
http://www.geocities.com/ThirstForJustice

17) "…As a Texas nurse, I feel that, while Governor John Ellis
"Jeb"
Bush did a great thing in getting 'Terri's Law' passed, this is
insufficient. Giving the governor the power to revoke the stay in
case of change of condition is equal to granting him permission to 1)
practice medicine & 2) be an accomplice to murder. 'Terri's Law' also
diverts attention away from the crimes committed against Terri
Schindler Schiavo including abuse, neglect, & malpractice."
Vanessa
J. Webb, LVN, Licensed Vocational Nurse 180 Van Zant County Road 2117
Canton, TX 75103 903-848-9322 Flutterby9322@...

18) "…[Terri left no written instructions that she would want to
be
starved to death…Thomas Jefferson said 'The care of human life
and
not its destruction is the first and only object of good
government'." Joyce Buskirk 25391 BeJoal St. Barstow, CA
92311-3411
760-253-2297

19) "I am a Florida citizen and have followed this case and
extensively researched everything I can find regarding Terri
Schindler-Schiavo for over a year now.  I am extremely glad the
attempted murder of Terri by starvation and dehydration was stopped
after her feeding tube was removed on two separate occasions,
however, I believe Terri's Law was written and passed into law for
political purposes.  I also feel that the Florida Supreme Court will
rule Terri's Law unconstitutional, not that I am saying I believe it
is unconstitutional.  I just do not believe that ignoring existing
state and federal laws which would protect Terri, if they were
upheld, while passing Terri's Law at the last minute, was the best
measure to take. On October 15, 2003, Governor Bush asked for legal
assistance in saving Terri Schindler-Schiavo's life.  At least five
(5) expert attorneys wrote letters to Governor Bush emphatically
informing him that he already had the power to stop Terri's
dehydration and starvation and to begin an investigation into the
alleged abuses of this vulnerable, disabled adult.  Governor Bush
chose to totally ignore and disregard everything about which they had
advised him.  I implore you to read what two Constitutional experts
recommended the Governor do at that time, without delay.  Read the 2
attorneys' letters here:"
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm
Melissa Roxanne Stanley, Online Researcher 925 Hunters Creek Dr.
# 202 DeLand, FL  32720 (386) 734-7049 saveterrislife@...
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/saveterrislife  (Or, go to
http://www.groups.yahoo.com and once there, type in terri schiavo
into the search box,look for saveterrislife and click on the link)
Yahoo! Group: saveterrislife Owner: Melissa Stanley

20) "I feel that Terrie's Law takes away power from other laws
that
might be better used in situations like the one that she in presently
in. I hope that you will reconsider the use of this law, and use some
of the other felony statutes that apply…" Virgil Fritz,
Biologist
10848 Taylor May Rd. Mantua, Ohio, 44255-9516 Home Phone, 440-543-
6531 ; Cell Phone, 440-289 0801 AllNightVI@...
http://www.geocities.com/AllNightVI

21) "When there are laws that protect disabled people, and a
disabled
person, such as Terri Schiavo is a victim of abuse, the right thing
to simply do would be to follow the laws, no matter what a judge
says. If a law says it, there shouldn't even have to be a
judge."
Robert F. Watts, Owner, "Bobby Watts Speed Shop" 833 North
Lake
Parker Avenue Lakeland, FL 33801-2044 863-686-3411 ; 863-687-6141

22) "When considering what to do with a disabled woman like Terri
Schiavo, people should ask themselves how they or their loved ones
would want to be treated. Even if some disabled person would be
better off dead, I don't think anyone would want their method of
being killed to be slowly starved or dehydrated over a prolonged
period." Anne M. Watts, Supermarket Cashier 2046 Pleasant Acres
Drive
Plant City, FL 33566-7511 813-754-7889 (home) ; 813-789-1654 (cell)

Biologist and Chemist, Gordon W. Watts, who is filing suit in the
state's Supreme Court weighs in:

23) "When I first heard about the planned starvation, a
`purported'
assisted suicide of disabled Clearwater resident, Theresa Schiavo, I
couldn't believe they'd allow that, after all the hoopla over
"Dr.
Death," Dr. Jack Kevorkian's recent failed attempts. As well,
we all
recall how Clearwater, Fla. Rock band, "Hell on Earth" also
attempted
a "staged suicide," –and, like Kevorkian, promptly got
run out on a
rail by the local police, the state's attorney general, and
others –
and stopped in their tracks cold. Of course, citizens routinely are
charged with very serious crimes, be it wardens letting a suicidal
criminal starve himself, or the occasional horror stories we hear
about how someone starved their granny or crippled brother. And,
everyone knows better than to starve a dog or you'll be facing
big
jail time! So, I was stunned into silence when I heard that local
police were not only allowing this, but also enforcing it: They told
me when I inquired that were she to moan for water, and I giver her a
little (should I have visited her), I'd promptly get arrested,
jailed, and charged. This, they said, was to protect her from choking
to death, as I recall.

Besides being illogical (deprivation of water for a few days is
usually fatal, so what harm would there be in trying?), this was also
illegal, a crime under chapter 825.102(3), which makes it a felony to
deprive the elderly or disabled of food or needed medical care,
including, I would guess, water. They said there was a `court
order'
or something. So, I did a little research, and discovered the court
order only dealt with a feeding tube, not standard food or water,
and, even if it had, a judge can't order something illegal
–or else a
judge could simply say `Yeah, you all can rob a bank and shoot up
some people'. So, naively, like Forest Gump, I simply asked the
authorities (police and then courts) to comply with the law. What I
discovered is that the courts routinely deny the `little
person',
even if he is right, unless he/she get clout from the likes of big
news media –and the news media doesn't expose corruption in
the court
and give coverage –unless either I'm a "rich and
powerful" celebrity –
or, if I "win big" in court. (So, the little guy is in
`catch-22', so
to speak.) This is not right, and I speak out against bias in the
news media:

When I jumped in to save the "drowning" Theresa Schiavo after
authorities followed suit from other oppressive countries'
"state
police," I did not expect the bystanders in the press to make fun
of
me, but that is just what they did. Normally, if the lifeguard is
going under and needing help, as is here (I barely have time to look
for a job, much less work one, and court fees are piling up), you
expect the bystanders to call 911 (the functional equivalent of doing
news coverage), or jumping in and helping the rescue attempt (the
functional equivalent of helping my court petitions). The news media
is biased: The Tampa Tribune is probably best local paper and has
published a letter of mine, but is racially biased: (#1) After I saw
an excellent story on a Black couple who were denied entry into a
hotel based presumably on race ("Travelers Say Motel Lied About
Being
Full" By JOSHUA B. GOOD , jgood@...; Oct 17, 2002 -
Tampa
Tribune), I recalled that I had encountered similar treatment
–except
that I had documentation for the police actually admitting my race
(Native American) wasn't welcome because of offensive attire (a
small
feather), and I had even gone to court, but the Tribune refused to do
news coverage, even after I spoke to news managers and Gil Thelen,
their publisher. My skin was the wrong color: The Tribune was
prejudiced. (#2) Also, Florida routinely has elections problems, and
I saw some stories to that effect: Tampa Tribune, Nov. 09,
2002:"Ambler Still Faces Election Challenge" ... Tampa
Tribune, Oct.
25, 2002: "Suit Tries To Oust GOP Candidate" WFTS-TV-Channel 28
also
did a story. While these voters did not get far with their suit and
gave up, mine went all the way to the Fla. Supreme Ct., yet I got
less coverage: Local media was prejudiced against "small"
people.
Then, (#3) I asked local media for news coverage, and Rick Berry of
the Tribune said I would have to win big in court for Terri Schiavo
before I got any help from the media. They were prejudiced again
against little people, as others get news attention for doing nothing
but talking about the case: (#4) George Tragos, the "Manual
Noriega"
criminal defense attorney got on FOX News for merely talking about
the case, but I actually took action and got ignored. The Tribune is
talented and well-equipped, so it has no reason to yell at me when I
call on the phone to give a news tip about, say, a pending Supreme
Court case.

While this may not go over well with the news media, and such a press
release is a little long, it is justified because so many persons
contributed quotes, and the truth must be told about press bias
–or
blackout, as it were: We Americans are under a censor of press, by
catch-22: No justice in court without media pressure; and, no press
coverage without that elusive "big win" in court. Will the
"little
man" ever get a fair shake anywhere in contemporary America? The
answer is "yes" if this news release goes out and exposes the
truth.

Our fine laws, so many of them, which are veritable promises made to
the people, may not be upheld and enforced; If this happens, citizens
will not be afforded the protections necessary to maintain our
freedoms and liberties, most prominent of which is life itself, a
gift we can not give ourselves, and which is resultantly precious,
and you might be the next victim of this type: "Marjorie Nighbert
signed an "advance directive" before she was hospitalized for
a
stroke in 1996. This document stated that she desired no "heroic
measures" Based on this, her family requested that her feeding
tube
be removed. When Ms. Nighbert begged for food, the courts deemed
her 'not medically competent to ask for such a treatment,' and the
hospital physically restrained her in bed so that she could not
pilfer food from other patients. She died ten days later." [Note:
This citation from the Catholic Culture website was verified as
correct from numerous independent sources, not the least of which is
Focus on the Family. Source:
http://www.CatholicCulture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5524

Therefore, I want a fair day in court –which may only be possible
if
I get a fair day in the court of public opinion: It can't hurt
the
press to at least try. Please see below for links to the unedited
version of the quotes of the concerned citizens above –edited for
length and grammar here."

Gordon Wayne Watts, A.S., B.S., Online Editor 821 Alicia Road
Lakeland, FL 33801-2113 863-688 9880 Gww1210@... ;
http://GordonWatts.com Electronic Technologist, Biologist, Chemist,
Online Editor, and civil rights activist; A.S. United Electronics
Institute, class of 1988, Electronics Technology (UEI now DBA Florida
Metropolitan University, 3924 Coconut Palm Dr. Tampa) B.S. The
Florida State University, class of 2000, Biological and Chemical
Science, double major, Honors: Golden Key Nat. Hon. Society

Note: This Press Release contained quotes of individuals, which, in
many cases, were editied/shortened for length; The complete quotes -
along with additional contact info on these citizens -and the text
(with source) for "Terri's Law" is provided at the following links:

http://hometown.aol.com/Gww1210/myhomepage/TerrisLawPressRelease.html

or

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ATTACHED FILES


Amicus in Terri's Law
Friend of the court brief; The Fla. Supreme Ct. also posted a copy on
their site.
Uploaded: Aug 4, 2004
File Name: AmicusWATTS_SC04-925.doc

Appendix to Terri's Law Amicus
"Appendix" to the Friend of the court brief; The Fla. Supreme Ct.
also posted a copy on their site. (If you read this large filing, you
should get "up to speed" without a doubt -as it is "comprehensive to
the situation.
Uploaded: Aug 4, 2004
File Name: AppendixWATTS_SC04-925.rtf

Motion for Amicus
Motion (request) to file a Friend of the court brief; The Fla.
Supreme Ct. also posted a copy on their site.
Uploaded: Aug 4, 2004
File Name: MotAmicWATTS_SC04-925.rtf

Motion for clarification, rehearing
This motion for rehearing relates to a diferent case Mr. Watts filed
seperately and is seeking to consolidate with the Terri's Law case.
It is an active case and is pending disposition on the motions.
Uploaded: Aug 4, 2004
File Name: SC03-2420ClarReh.doc

Petition to the UN regarding Terri Schiavo
This is just what its title implies; Mr. Watts petitioned the U.N.
regarding the inhumane treatment of Theresa Schiavo buthas yet to
receive a response.
Uploaded: Aug 4, 2004
File Name:
Complaint_Form_of_URGENT_Nature_before_Petitions_team_Ofc_of_HCHR,_UN_
@_Geneva.mht

Court Cases web page
This was downloaded of The Register website and is a reminder of all
the abuses that necessitated litigation -and a testimony to Watts'
determination and legal abilities.
Uploaded: Aug 4, 2004
File Name: Pending_Court_Cases.mht

Health research by Mr. Watts
This web page documents health research by Mr. Watts, and, while
not "related" to the legal battles the subject of the release, it
shows professional ability, diversity, and may even help reverse the
trend of degenerative diseases in the U.S.
Uploaded: Aug 4, 2004
File Name: Consumer_Advisory__The_Register.mht

Judge George Greer has ordered that a Writ of Quo Warranto filed on
behalf of Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, be
dismissed and dissolved.  In his order, Greer suggests that Mr. and
Mrs. Schindler already have ample legal remedy with a November 15,
2002 petition

(Note:  This is referring to the Petition To Remove Guardian &
Appoint Successor Guardian.  This petition is in full text below -
saveterrislife)

to remove Terri's husband as her guardian which has yet to be
resolved in Greer's court. Additionally, Greer states
that "extraordinary relief will not be granted in cases where the
granting of it will result in confusion and disorder."


VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation:
http://terrisfight.org/press/070704writ.html

Writ of Quo Warranto Dismissed

(Note from saveterrislife, moderator of this website:  Writ of Quo
Warranto, although dismissed by Greer, is still VERY IMPORTANT as it
states Terri's rights which are being denied her, and have been for
almost a dozen years now.  You may find the full Writ of Quo Warranto
posted on this site.  I converted it from a pdf into text and added
all of the statutes cited in the Writ of Quo Warranto.  The Writ was
transcribed from the pdf version @ zimp.org (see below)

The document spoken of above can be found in pdf form at link below:
The PETITION FOR WRIT OF QUO WARRANTO - APRIL 26, 2004
RE:  GUARDIANSHIP OF TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
can be found here:
http://www.zimp.org/documents/qw.pdf
(The full text version of this Writ of Quo Warranto * with statutes *
is on THIS site - saveterrislife)


Judge George Greer has ordered that a Writ of Quo Warranto filed on
behalf of Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, be
dismissed and dissolved.

In his order, Greer suggests that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler already have
ample legal remedy with a November 15, 2002 petition

(Note:  This petition is in full text below - saveterrislife)

to remove Terri's husband as her guardian which has yet to be
resolved in Greer's court. Additionally, Greer states
that "extraordinary relief will not be granted in cases where the
granting of it will result in confusion and disorder."

Through their attorneys, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler brought forth a
petition for Writ of Quo Warranto, which asks that Terri's husband be
required to demonstrate under what authority he continues to act as
Terri's guardian. The basis for their petition was that Terri's
husband had failed to file guardianship plans on an annual basis as
required by Florida Statute 744.3675, had isolated her and had
apparently neglected her healthcare needs to the point that five
teeth had been extracted due to decay.

Additionally, the petition for Writ of Quo Warranto states that,
under Florida Statute 744.369(8), "the approved report constitutes
the authority for the guardian to act in the forthcoming year. The
powers of the guardian are limited by the terms of the report." As
Terri's husband had not filed guardianship plans for the periods of
08/01/2001 through 07/31/2002 and 08/01/2002 through 07/31/2003 until
June 1, 2004, Bob and Mary Schindler contend that he has not complied
with state requirements that allow him to act as their daughter's
guardian.

Related Documents:

Greer's Order dismissing Writ of Quo Warranto

Petition for Writ of Quo Warranto

Filing of Guardianship Plans June 1, 2004


http://terrisfight.org/press/070704writ.html

(End of update from The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation)

_________________________________________________________________

The document spoken of above can be found in pdf form at link below:
(PETITION FOR WRIT OF QUO WARRANTO - APRIL 26, 2004)
RE:  GUARDIANSHIP OF TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
can be found here:
http://www.zimp.org/documents/qw.pdf



Note from saveterrislife:
THE FLORIDA STATUTES AND FLORIDA CONSTITUTION MAY BE FOUND HERE:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Welcome/index.cfm

VIEW LATEST (FROM 2003) FLORIDA STATUTES:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=View%
20Statutes&Submenu=1&Tab=statutes

SEARCH FLORIDA STATUTES:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=Search%
20Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes

VIEW FLORIDA CONSTITUTION HERE:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?
Mode=Constitution&Submenu=3&Tab=statutes





IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA

PROBATE DIVISION

File No. 90-2908GD-003





IN Re: THE GUARDIANSHIP OF

THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO,

                              Incapacitated.







ROBERT SCHINDLER, et al.,

Petitioners,



v.



MICHAEL SCHIAVO,

Respondent



                                                                  //



PETITION TO REMOVE GUARDIAN

AND TO APPOINT SUCCESSOR GUARDIAN



Petitioners, Robert Schindler, Mary Schindler, Robert Schindler, Jr.
and Suzanne Schindler Carr, by and through undersigned counsel,
pursuant to Fla. Prob. R. 5.660, hereby petition this Court for its
Order removing Michael Schiavo ("Schiavo") as Guardian of Theresa
Marie Schiavo ("Terri" or "the ward") and appointing one of the
ward's siblings, Robert Schindler, Jr. or Suzanne Schindler Carr, as
successor guardian.  Any one of the statutory reasons set forth below
is sufficient to require removal of this guardian pursuant to §
744.474, Fla. Stat.  In support, Petitioners say:


(Note from saveterrislife:  see this link to read statutes:
open another window, then copy and paste both lines into your address
bar to get to FL statutes cited here)

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?
App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLIII#TitleXLIII

TITLE XLIII DOMESTIC RELATIONS Ch.741-753

Chapter 744  GUARDIANSHIP

   Part VI:   POWERS AND DUTIES

THE FLORIDA STATUTES AND FLORIDA CONSTITUTION MAY BE FOUND HERE:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Welcome/index.cfm


(End of note from saveterrislife)




Failure to Discharge His Duties - § 744.474 (2), Fla. Stat.

1.   The fundamental duty of the guardian as set forth in Chapter
744, Fla. Stat., is to protect the interests of the ward.  From the
statement of legislative intent to the detailed provisions concerning
the annual plan, Florida law requires that the guardian protect the
rights of the ward, provide for her health and safety, properly
manage her financial resources and help her regain her abilities to
the maximum extent possible.  Schiavo has failed in each and every
respect.

2.  Terri has the right to be treated with dignity and respect and
the right to privacy - rights that are retained by her
notwithstanding the appointment of a guardian.  Fla. Stat. §
744.3215.  Despite this obligation, Schiavo affirmed on national
television (Connie Chung, CNN, 11/4/02) that he is an adulterer and
has had a child by his mistress.  He made a mockery of his marriage
to Terri, dismissing it as "a portion of my life" and that he "got on
with" his affairs while still claiming to be a loving husband to
Terri.  When his counsel offered on this same show a veritable
advertisement for adultery, Schiavo sat quietly by in condoning
silence.

3.   Fidelity is a key component of the respect and dignity that our
society expects one spouse to afford the other; yet, this guardian
believes that Terri's disability releases him of his legal and moral
responsibility.  Indeed, the sanctity of his marriage, once espoused
by Schiavo when it was in his financial interest to do so, is now
publicly denigrated in heartless fashion.



4.   Having expended almost all of Terri's money in an attempt to kill
[1]/ her rather than rehabilitate her (see below), this self-styled
champion of her right to privacy has made clear that he has no regard
for, and will not protect, Terri's rights of privacy, dignity and
respect.  In addition to the public humiliation for Terri caused by
both Schiavo's nationally-televised statements and his public
conduct, Schiavo has further condoned assaults on Terri's privacy and
dignity by his counsel who, in local and national media, has declared
that Terri is no better than a house plant.

5.  Terri deserves what any woman would want in these circumstances -
the right to divorce this adulterer.  Yet, Schiavo has failed to
request authority from this Court to initiate the obvious petition.
See Fla. Stat. § 744.3215(4)(c) (2002). There has been a de facto
dissolution of this marriage which, in equity, should eliminate
Schiavo's suitability as Terri's guardian.[2]/ In fact, Schiavo is
Terri's



husband in name only, and it is upon that legal relationship that his
right to be her guardian is based.

6.  Terri also retains the right to be protected from exploitation,
which includes the misuse of guardianship duties.  Fla. Stat. §§
744.3215(d) and  415.102(7).  Another aspect of Schiavo's media
activities is that the appearance on the above- referenced  national
television show was, at least in part, for the purpose of promoting
his counsel's book.[3]/  To the extent that Schiavo has received any
direct or indirect consideration from Mr. Felos or third parties for
this or similar activity, it would constitute a misuse of Schiavo's
guardianship role and an exploitation of the ward.  In the absence of
such consideration, it nonetheless suggests the appearance of
impropriety and is a further affront to the dignity of the ward.

7.  Terri has the absolute right to receive necessary services and
rehabilitation.  Fla. Stat. § 744.3215 (2002).  Schiavo has
affirmatively prevented Terri from receiving these services from her
caregivers.  Further, he has confined her to the "death row" of
Hospice for over two years while the appeals in this case have



been pending, instead of leaving her in a nursing facility where she
would receive the services and rehabilitation required by law.[4]/

8.   Instead of fulfilling his duty to develop Terri's abilities,
Schiavo has at every turn attempted to increase her incapacity
through the denial of basic health and rehabilitative services such
as range of motion therapy, other physical therapy, orthopaedic
evaluations and treatment,  speech therapy, standard diagnostic tests
and procedures, gynecological care, dental care, rehabilitation
evaluations and cognitive therapy, as testimony in the recent
evidentiary hearing revealed.

9.  Schiavo has systematically isolated Terri and deprived her of
sensory input.[5]/   Terri has the absolute right to receive visitors
and communicate with others.   Fla. Stat. § 744.3215.  This right has
been unlawfully and cruelly restricted by Schiavo, who has prevented
visitors of whom he does not approve from seeing Terri, according to
his own capricious and unreviewed bent.

10.           He has prevented the flow of non-verbal communication
between Terri and her parents and siblings by instructing her
caregivers to give no such information about Terri's behavior to her
family.



11.          Terri has the right to receive "palliative care" which
is the comprehensive management of the physical, psychological,
social, spiritual, and existential needs of the patient.  Fla. Stat.
§ 765.102.  This right is not limited to those with incurable or
progressive illnesses.

12.           As is reflected in each annual plan filed by him,
Schiavo has made no attempt to provide such comprehensive care.

13.           Knowing that Terri wants to get better, and would have
always chosen rehabilitation over death, Schiavo consented, on
Terri's behalf, to an experimental medical procedure - the
implantation of an electrode in her brain in December, 1990 in San
Francisco.

14.          However, this was yet another violation of his duties as
guardian, because such consent was given by him without the necessary
prior approval of the Court.   Fla. Stat. § 744.3215(4).  Now that it
is no longer in Schiavo's financial interest for Terri to receive
treatment that could improve her condition, he is yet again violating
his duty as her guardian by (a) ignoring and misrepresenting her
wishes regarding potentially helpful treatment and (b) refusing to
consent to treatment that could be beneficial to Terri.



15.          The guardian is required by law to prepare and present
an annual plan.   Fla. Stat. § 744.3675.  Throughout his tenure as
guardian, Schiavo has filed the annual plans late or not at all, and
has provided incomplete and inaccurate information. The Court
recently signed yet another order permitting postponement of the
filing of an annual plan.

16.           Schiavo has failed to report, and affirmatively
concealed, from this Court information concerning Terri's awareness
of her environment and her attempts at communication.  Knowing that
the attending physician and others would rely on information supplied
by Schiavo as a basis for continuing to state an unchanged diagnosis,
Schiavo has intentionally withheld information concerning Terri's
true condition:  that she is conscious, aware and can swallow.

17.           In a further attempt to conceal the truth from this
Court, Schiavo has closely controlled access to Terri's medical
records and caregiver information in an attempt to prevent
Petitioners from presenting additional evidence that Terri is
conscious and is not receiving the medical and rehabilitative
services that she requires and deserves.

18.           Schiavo has reported in annual reports that Terri was
receiving all medical services recommended by the physicians, but has
actually forbidden treatment of any kind.

19.          In his annual reports, Schiavo has completely failed to
prepare and present any plan for the provision of medical, mental
health, and rehabilitative services in the coming year as required
by  Fla. Stat. § 744.3675 (1)(b)(3, and has



falsely stated that Terri could not benefit from physical therapy and
other rehabilitative therapies.

20.           The Adult Protective Services Act (Chapter 415 of the
Florida Statutes) affords protection to disabled persons from abuse,
neglect and exploitation, and Terri is entitled to the protections
afforded by this law.

21.          "`Abuse' means any willful act or threatened act that
causes or is likely to cause significant impairment to a vulnerable
adult's physical, mental, or emotional health. Abuse includes acts
and omissions."  Fla. Stat. § 415.102(1)(2002). Schiavo's isolation
of Terri and refusal to provide adequate physician attention,
rehabilitative services, dental care and other medical services
constitutes abuse within the meaning of the Adult Protective Services
Act as well as the guardianship statutes.   Schiavo has failed to
properly supervise the care provided by Hospice as is most recently
illustrated by the fact that someone turned the thermostat in her
room down to 64 degrees.[6]/



22.          "Neglect" means the failure to provide care, supervision
and services necessary to maintain the physical and mental heath of
the vulnerable adult, including, but not limited to, medicine and
medical services that a prudent person would consider essential to
the well-being of a vulnerable adult.   Fla. Stat. §415.102 (15)
(2002).  It further means the failure to make a reasonable effort to
protect a vulnerable adult from the abuse, neglect or exploitation of
others.  Id.  Schiavo has neglected Terri by failing to meet the
essential requirements for Terri's physical health and safety and by
failing to develop her abilities and by medically sequestering her.
He has scheduled insufficient physician's attention for Terri who is
prone to potentially lethal urinary tract infections.  He has
provided no speech, cognitive, physical or other rehabilitative
therapy and has prevented  caregivers from doing so.

23.           Schiavo has year after year provided professional
medical treatment to Terri that he describes in his annual reports
as:  "None."

Abuse of His Powers -  Fla. Stat. § 744.474 (2)

24.              The failures of Schiavo to discharge his duties as
alleged above are not merely acts of omission; they are acts of
commission that constitute an abuse of power, as well.  Schiavo's
approach to his guardianship role is part of an overall scheme
designed to serve solely the interests of Schiavo at Terri's expense.

25.              This scheme of abuse, neglect and exploitation
includes the provision of certain care and testimony prior to receipt
of a substantial medical malpractice award in early 1993, all of
which was designed to cast Schiavo in the role of the loving,



devoted husband who would spare no expense to see to the medical and
rehabilitative needs of his wife for a long, full lifetime.[7]/

26.       After receipt of the award, Schiavo's conduct includes
every attempt to facilitate the death of Terri before the money ran
out.[8]/



27.     Schiavo's attempts to increase Terri's disability continue,
in that Terri has been isolated, information has been withheld from
her loved ones, she has been denied basic health and rehabilitative
services, her dental, gynecological, and orthopaedic care have been
neglected, and her attending physician's visits have been reduced to
only three a year, if that.  The reduction in the attention of a
physician, under Schiavo's direction, is particularly insidious
because Terri is prone to urinary tract infections,  but no medical
precautions are taken to identify such infections at an early
stage.

28.     Indeed, according to Dr. Gambone, her treating physician, no
medical attention is provided for such a dangerous infection unless
Terri manages to "convince" the nursing staff to call the doctor, a
difficult task for one who has received no rehabilitation to enhance
her communicative skills.

29.     A guardian may exercise only those rights that have been
removed from the ward and delegated to the guardian.   Fla. Stat. §
744.361 (1) (2002).   Nonetheless, Schiavo has abused his position as
guardian by directing her caregivers and physicians to deprive her of
rights that are retained by Terri under Fla. Stat. § 744.3215,
including the right to receive necessary services, rehabilitation and
the companionship of others.



The Wasting, Embezzlement, or Other Mismanagement of the Ward's
Property and the Improper Management of the Ward's Assets - Fla.
Stat. §§ 744.474 (7) and 744.474 (16)



30.     The management of the ward's assets has largely been kept a
secret and is protected by seal of this court.  Nonetheless, what is
revealed in this record is that while exhausting Terri's money for
the purpose of killing her, not one red cent could be found by
Schiavo to enhance the quality of her life after receipt of the
malpractice award.  The use of almost $500,000 of guardianship funds
for attorney's fees and costs and the expenditure of nothing for
therapy that would reduce the pain of contractures,  enhance Terri's
ability to swallow, or facilitate recovery of basic abilities is the
grossest form of asset mismanagement.

31.     Schiavo's decision to hold Terri at Hospice after it was
clear that she was not "terminal" within Medicare guidelines was an
improper use of the ward's assets.[9]/  Terri's attending physician,
Dr. Victor Gambone, agreed at the evidentiary hearing before this
Court in October, 2002, that Terri is not terminal and is not in any
sort of crisis.

Development of a Conflict of Interest Between the Ward and the
Guardian -  §744.474 (11)



32.     Serious conflicts of interest have arisen since the
appointment of Schiavo as guardian.  This guardian is not independent
and impartial as required by Fla. Stat. § 744.446 (1), and Schiavo
has used his fiduciary relationship to advance his private gain at
the expense of Terri's life.  Schiavo admitted in his petition to
withhold Terri's food and hydration, dated May 8, 1998, that he will
inherit the Ward's estate and further admitted the likelihood that he
would remarry.[10]

33.     This is more than a likelihood now.  Schiavo has moved in
with his mistress and fathered her baby.  The Second District Court
of Appeal noted in this case that "there may be occasions when an
inheritance could be a reason to question a surrogate's ability to
make an objective decision."   In re Schiavo, 780 So.2d 176, (Fla. 2d
DCA 2001)("Schiavo I").  There is now more than an inheritance at
stake:  a baby will continue to be denied a legally- recognized
father every day that Terri lives.

34.     Schiavo has repeatedly claimed that divorce will never be an
option for him.  This leaves only one option for his life plans:
Terri's death.



35.     The conflict of interest arising from the fact that Schiavo
will inherit Terri's estate has not decreased as the guardianship
fund has dwindled.  There are other valuable assets of the estate,
including Terri's engagement and wedding rings that Schiavo has
already appropriated to his own use by making jewelry for himself.
[11]/

36.     Schiavo's recent involvement in the promotion of his
counsel's book raises Schiavo's interest in Terri's image and
likeness which he has vigorously sought to preserve for her estate in
the guise of protecting her privacy from unwanted intrusion but which
may, instead, be groundwork to use her image and likeness for
commercial gain after her death.

37.     Furthermore, divorce may not be an attractive option for
Schiavo, given the likelihood that he would be ordered to pay
permanent alimony to help defray the cost of Terri's care.

38.     Testimony given during the October, 2002, evidentiary hearing
in this case raises a question concerning the unexplained cause for
Terri's extraordinarily rigid neck, first noted when she presented at
the emergency room after her collapse in February, 1990.  This,
together with a 1991 bone scan report that refers to a history of
trauma, creates the need to further investigate the cause of the
original injury, her care in the interim, and the effect of these
injuries on the current diagnosis and prognosis for recovery.



39.     Because Schiavo was alone with Terri at the time of the
original injury and has been responsible for her care in the interim
and in most cases has been the sole source of information about
Terri's history for her caregivers, there is an obvious and
impermissible conflict of interest demonstrated by this failure to
investigate these matters.

Guilt of an Offense Prohibited Under  Fla. Stat. §§ 435.03 and
744.474 (12)



40.    Schiavo's record residence is a home that, according to his
deposition testimony, he owns and lives in with his "girlfriend."
This is the same girlfriend who he admitted is the mother of his baby
as discussed on the above-referenced national television program.
This conduct is a violation of Fla. Stat. § 798.01, which makes
living in open adultery a misdemeanor, and § 798.02, which similarly
proscribes lewd and lascivious cohabitation.

41.    Lewd and lascivious cohabitation is an offense prohibited
under Fla. Stat. § 435.03,  and Schiavo's admissions to the requisite
elements of this offense should be found to be guilt that
disqualifies him as Terri's guardian.[12]/



42.    Furthermore, Schiavo's abuse, neglect and/or exploitation of
Terri, a vulnerable adult, should be found to be conduct prohibited
by Fla. Stat. §§ 435.03 and  415.111.



Material Failure to Comply with the Guardianship Report - Fla. Stat.
§ 744.474(13)



43.     The guardian is required by law to implement the guardianship
plan.  Fla. Stat. § 744.361 (4).  As alleged herein, Schiavo has
consistently failed to implement the guardianship plans in that he
has committed to this court that Terri would receive necessary
medical care and services when, in fact, such care and services have
not been provided.

44.     The most recent annual plan contains promised medical
services and evaluations that are to obtained "without undue delay."
Nine months later, these things have not been accomplished.



Failure to Comply with the Rules For Timely Filing Guardianship
Reports - Fla. Stat. §744.474 (14)



45.     Throughout his tenure as guardian, Schiavo has repeatedly
failed to comply with the rules for the timely filing of guardianship
reports.  Such reports have been either omitted or not filed on a
timely basis, requiring the issuance of more than one order to show
cause.



Failure to Fulfill the Guardianship Education Requirements - .
§744.474 (15)



46.     For over a decade, Schiavo flouted the guardian education
requirements.  His failure to receive the requisite education was an
intentional act and did not arise from any ignorance of the
requirement.  This is further evidence that Schiavo has not taken his
obligations to Terri seriously and is unsuitable as a guardian.



After Appointment, the Guardian Has Become a Disqualified Person as
Set Forth in Fla. Stat.  §§ 744.309 (3) and 744.474 (18)



47.     Since his appointment as guardian, Schiavo has become a
disqualified person within the meaning of Fla. Stat. § 744.309 (3),
as set forth below.

48.     Schiavo has demonstrated through repeated and gross failures
to comply with the law that he is incapable of discharging the duties
of guardian.

49.     Schiavo is guilty of offenses prohibited under  Fla. Stat. §
435.03.

50.     Conflicts of interest exist which prevent Schiavo from being
independent and impartial as required by Fla. Stat. § 744.446.



WHEREFORE, Petitioners respectfully request that Michael Schiavo be
removed as guardian and that Robert Schindler, Jr., or Suzanne
Schindler Carr be appointed guardian of Theresa Marie Schiavo.

___________________________         Respectfully submitted,

ROBERT SCHINDLER



___________________________


MARY SCHINDLER                          PATRICIA FIELDS ANDERSON, ESQ.

Patricia Fields Anderson, P.A.

___________________________         447 Third Avenue North; Suite 405

ROBERT SCHINDLER, JR.               St. Petersburg, FL 33701

727 / 895-6505;  727 / 898-4903 (fax)

___________________________         SPN 00239201; Fla. Bar No. 352871

SUZANNE SCHINDLER CARR         Attorney for Robert & Mary Schindler



CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing has been furnished by
Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested, to:



GEORGE FELOS, ESQ.          LARRY CROW, ESQ.

Felos & Felos, P.A.                            Law Offices of Larry
Crow

595 Main Street                                 1247 South Pinellas
Avenue

Dunedin, FL 34698                             Tarpon Springs, Florida
34689



DEBORAH A. BUSHNELL, ESQ.      GYNETH S. STANLEY, ESQ.

204 Scotland St.                                  1465 S. Ft.
Harrison Avenue, #202

Dunedin, FL 34698                    Clearwater FL 33756



PAMELA CAMPBELL, ESQ.             ALISON A. CARPENTER

111 Second Ave. NE; Suite 1404          30617 U.S. Highway 19 N., Ste
1101

St. Petersburg, FL 33701           Palm Harbor, FL 34684



and by Hand Delivery to GEORGE FELOS, this    15th    day of
November, 2002.







____________________________________

PATRICIA FIELDS ANDERSON, ESQ.

Attorney for Respondents





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[1]/  "The wilful and voluntary act of destroying the life of
another, is an act wrong and unlawful in itself, injurious in the
highest degree to the rights of another, being the greatest wrong
which can be done to him, contrary to the laws of nature as well as
society, and in violation of the plainest dictates of conscience."
Holland v. State, 12 Fla. 117 (Fla. 1867)(explaining role of intent
in homicides).

[2]/ "Unless otherwise provided in the advance directive or in an
order of dissolution or annulment of marriage, the dissolution or
annulment of marriage of the principal revokes the designation of the
principal's former spouse as a surrogate."   Fla. Stat. § 765.104(2)
(2002).  In this court of equity, the same principle should apply to
the guardian in this case.

[3]/ See, e.g., George J. Felos, "Spiritual Practice," 76 Fla. Bar.
J. 85 (Nov. 2002).

[4]  The initial move to Hospice was done in violation of the annual
plan and without court permission in violation of Fla.  Stat.  §
744.3215(4).

[5]/ Schiavo, who only visits her periodically, does not permit Terri
to have flowers in her room nor snapshots of her family nor does he
make any effort to have music played for her.

[6]/ When complained about in writing, the thermostat was re-set and
locked at a more suitable temperature, but Petitioners have yet to
receive any explanation for the frequent inhumane frigidity in
Terri's room.

[7]/          I believe in the vows that I took with my wife, through
sickness, in health, for richer or poorer.  I married my wife because
I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her.  I'm
going to do that.



Michael Schiavo, trial testimony, Schiavo v. Igel, Case No.92-939-15,
Nov. 5, 1992, at pp. 27:14 - 28:3 (emphasis supplied).  Schiavo also
presented the testimony of Dr. David Baras, chief of rehabilitation
at Bayfront Medical Center, and Lawrence Foreman, a rehabilitation
specialist, who testified that Terri would have a normal life span
and would need extensive and expensive rehabilitation care throughout
her life.

[8]/          Q. What did you do or what did you not do?



A.  I put a -- after speaking with my doctor, I gave an order not to
treat a bladder infection Terry had.



Michael Schiavo, deposition in the pending case, Nov. 19, 1993, at
pp. 13-14.  Schiavo testified further that he knew an untreated
bladder infection might be fatal.  In the same deposition, Schiavo
testified further about his conversations with his physician:

Q. Was it Doctor Harrison's suggestion the feeding tube be removed?



A. It wasn't a suggestion, it was just talk.  He just mentioned it.



Q. How did he mention it?  What did he say?



A. He was talking about removing the feeding tubes, and I said I
couldn't do that to Terry.

Id. at pp. 33-34 (emphasis supplied).

[9]/ In order to receive federal payment for hospice care, the
facility must obtain a certification from the attending physician
within two calendar days of initial admission that the
patient's "prognosis is for a life expectancy of 6 months or less if
the terminal illness runs its normal course."  42 C.F.R. § 418.22
(2001)(copy attached).

[10]/ "There is a likelihood in the foreseeable future that
Petitioner may remarry."  Petition for Authorization to Discontinue
Artificial Life Support, etc., ¶ 14 (May 8, 1998).  Given the birth
of his child, that likelihood must now be a certainty.

[11]/ Deposition of Michael Schiavo in the pending case, Nov. 19,
1993, at p. 80.

[12]/ "Further, no person . . . who has been found guilty of,
regardless of adjudication, or entered a plea of nolo contendere or
guilty to, any offense prohibited under s. 435.03 or under any
similar statute of another jurisdiction, shall be appointed to act as
a guardian."  § 744.309(3), Fla. Stat. (2002).  Chapter 435 of the
Florida Statutes is entitled "Employment Screening," and one of the
disqualifying conditions is lewd and lascivious behavior, per §
798.02, as noted in the text.  Fla. Stat. § 435.03(2)(o)(2002).
Thus, lewd and lascivious behavior is a disqualification for
appointment as a guardian.


http://terrisfight.org/documents/PetitiontoRemoveGuardian111502.htm#_f
tnref7

MORE ARTICLES RE:  EUTHANASIA AND TERRI ARE HERE:
http://biology.surfwax.com/files/Euthanasia.html


(These came from link above).

British Govt. Supports Euthanasia of Mentally Handicapped  Nov 17,
2003

Pro-Lifers Link Euthanasia to Abortion  Nov 08, 2003
The debate is necessary, but a thread running throughout is
counterproductive: Namely, the linking of euthanasia to abortion by
prominent voices in the pro-life movement. Euthanasia is the putting
to death of a terminally ill or severely debilitated person either
through omission (e (American Daily, OH).




Euthanasia Advocates Taking Over America's Hospice Industry?  Dec 20,
2003
Are Euthanasia Advocates Taking Over America's Hospice Industry. And
honest hospice workers who have been threatened or fired after
finding out about cases of euthanasia and Medicare fraud
(LifeNews.com, United States).

Silence  Oct 31, 2003
Wesley J. Smith is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and an
attorney and consultant for the International Task Force on
Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide. He is the author of "Forced Exit:
The Slippery Slope from Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder." (The
Weekly Standard, DC).

Score One For Humanity  Oct 30, 2003
The term for it is euthanasia and that power, once unleashed and
placed in the hands of faceless bureaucrats anywhere, is a slope
that's more slippery than a seven-acre grease pit. Terry Schiavo's
body is still functioning. (American Daily, OH).


A glimmer of hope for the culture of life  Oct 28, 2003
Accordingly, abominations like partial-birth abortion and euthanasia
came to be tolerated and even accepted by society as the culture that
accepted and cherished all life began the process of fading away.
Similarly, euthanasia disgracefully balances life against the
perceived usefulness of the individual or his assumed quality of life
(The California Aggie Online).


Death Bill gets a hearing  Oct 27, 2003
DEBATE on legalising voluntary euthanasia has begun in the WA
Parliament after being stifled for six years. A Westpoll early last
year revealed that three-quarters of West Australians surveyed
supported voluntary euthanasia (The West Australian, Australia).


Euthanasia debate renewed  Oct 26, 2003
After his death, one of the deceased's two brothers told LCI, a
French TV station, "I am happy my brother is finally free. It's a
huge relief." Belgium, the Netherlands and Switzerland are the only
places in Europe where euthanasia and assisted suicide are allowed.
The president of France's Catholic bishops conference, Archbishop
Jean-Pierre Ricard of Bordeaux, declared after the death of Mr.
Humbert: "The acceptance, and even more the legitimation, of
euthanasia would not be progress, but a great regression for our
society." For defenders of the right-to-life position, who oppose the
legalization of euthanasia, the difficult problem remains confusion
between a deliberately provoked death and a legitimate interruption
of treatment for serious disease or refusal of aggressive and futile
therapies (Washington Times, DC).


Euthanasia faces ethical and legal dilemmas  Oct 26, 2003
Yet hospitals find themselves in a legal vacuum when it comes to
euthanasia. More importantly, euthanasia is prone to abuse, they
assert (Xinhua, China).


Euthanasia faces ethical and legal dilemmas  Oct 26, 2003
Yet hospitals find themselves in a legal vacuum when it comes to
euthanasia. More importantly, euthanasia is prone to abuse, they
assert (China Daily, China).


' This is not a life . '  Oct 26, 2003
Plan B - flying to a country where euthanasia had been legalised -
was impossible. Euthanasia is, of course, illegal in France, as it is
in almost all of Europe (Guardian, UK).


Alliance curbs pet euthanasia  Oct 25, 2003
Kabbel was at the county shelter Wednesday on behalf of the Arizona
Animal Welfare League, one of nine Valley animal organizations that
have formed a coalition with the county and the Arizona Humane
Society to lessen euthanasia and increase pet adoptions. The Alliance
for Companion Animals was formed last year and funded in part by a
$500,500 grant from Maddie's Fund, established by a California couple
in memory of their schnauzer (Arizona Republic, AZ).


New life for the right-to-life movement  Oct 25, 2003
For opponents of abortion and euthanasia, the Terri Schiavo case has
become a stunning - and long-awaited - victory. ST. PETERSBURG -
Until this week, it seemed like no one heard Pat McEwen's warnings
about the evils of euthanasia (St. Petersburg Times, FL).


Removal of feeding tube called 'state-sponsored euthanasia'  Oct 22,
2003
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH Doctors: Terri case not 'death with
dignity' issue Removal of feeding tube called 'state-sponsored
euthanasia. "It is unconscionable that the state ordered removal of
her feeding tube in the first place it's nothing less than state-
sponsored euthanasia," maintains Orient (WorldNetDaily).


Stopping Forced Euthanasia in Florida  Oct 21, 2003
Wesley J. Smith is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and an
attorney for the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted
Suicide. He is the author of "Forced Exit: The Slippery Slope from
Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder." (Frontpagemag.com).


Florida retracts Euthanasia plea  Oct 21, 2003
Florida Governor Jeb Bush on Tuesday ordered doctors to resume tube-
feeding a severely brain-damaged woman at the centre of a battle
between family members ... (NDTV.com, India)


Controversy Over Euthanasia/Reported Reduction of US Troops  Oct 20,
2003
The actions of the two men may be understandable for many people, but
the reality is that euthanasia remains a crime in South Korea. ...
(Korea Times, South Korea)


Dog saved from euthanasia back at shelter for adoption  Oct 18, 2003
SOUTH BEND -- The woman who made a public plea to help her adopt a
dog who she had seen become seriously injured by a car can reportedly
no longer take care of ... (South Bend Tribune, IN)


(SIRCHIA: EUTHANASIA LEADS TO TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES  Oct 14, 2003
...(AGI) - Milan, Italy, Oct.13 - "As a citizen, doctor and minister
I say that, in a modern society, nobody should decide about the life
of another person ... (Agenzia Giornalistica Italia (English
Version), Italy)


EUTHANASIA: SIRCHIA, WOULD LEAD TO UNWANTED CONSEQUENCES  Oct 13, 2003
The Minister of Health, Girolamo Sirchia, while in Milan for a
conference between doctors and universities, once again spoke of
euthanasia while answering the press's questions. The Minister of
Health also excluded the appeal, requested by some who are pro
euthanasia, to stop forced feeding defining the proposal "one of the
subtle ways to carry out euthanasia" (Agenzia Giornalistica Italia
(English Version), Italy).


French ministry opens euthanasia debate  Oct 13, 2003
PARIS, Oct 12 (AFP) - French Justice Minister Dominique Perben
announced Sunday the launch of a debate on euthanasia on his
ministry's website following the mercy killing last month of a
paralysed man. The mercy killing last month of Vincent Humbert
restarted a public debate over euthanasia which began last year when
the blind and mute quadriplegic wrote President Jacques Chirac
pleading for a dispensation from France's ban on assisted suicide
(Expatica, Netherlands).


back door to legal euthanasia'  Dec 10, 2003
Telegraph | Health | New Bill will 'be the back door to legal
euthanasia. Legislation that critics claim is a "back door" means of
permitting euthanasia is being prepared by the Government
(Telegraph.co.uk, UK).


Pro-Euthanasia Group Uses Terri Schiavo Case to Expand Membership
Dec 10, 2003
...com) -- The pro-euthanasia group End-of-Life Choices, formerly the
Hemlock Society, has started a $60,000 ad campaign in Florida, using
the plight of Terri Schiavo as a way to make its case and expand its
membership. "Floridians need to know that this is the Hemlock Society
with a new name, and they are trying to hide their pro-euthanasia
agenda," Anderson told the Associated Press (LifeNews.com, United
States).


Cannibal killing was euthanasia   Dec 08, 2003
Cannibal killing was 'euthanasia. KASSEL - A self-declared cannibal
told a German court on the second day of his murder trial he regarded
the killing of his victim as a form of euthanasia (Expatica,
Netherlands).


Call for euthanasia extension  Dec 08, 2003
BRUSSELS � The first forum on euthanasia held in Brussels at the
weekend saw calls for Belgium�s euthanasia law to be extended.
Attended by several hundred doctors, the euthanasia forum marked the
first year of Belgium�s law on the issue, with more than 250 cases
registered in 12 months (Expatica, Netherlands).


Belgian Docs: Possibly More than 1,000 Euthanasia Deaths a Year  Dec
08, 2003
Belgian Docs: Possible More than 1,000 Euthanasia Deaths a Year.
com) -- Doctors in Belgium over the weekend held a forum on
euthanasia following the first year of legalized assisted suicide in
the country (LifeNews.com, United States).


New Bill will 'be the back door to legal euthanasia'  Dec 07, 2003
Telegraph | News | New Bill will 'be the back door to legal
euthanasia. Legislation that critics claim is a "back door" means of
permitting euthanasia is being prepared by the Government
(Telegraph.co.uk, UK).


GPs 'must change attitude' over euthanasia  Dec 05, 2003
BRUSSELS � Many GPs are still unfamiliar or uncomfortable with
Belgium's euthanasia law - and the Scientific Organisation for
Flemish GPs wants doctors to be better prepared. The law legalising
euthanasia was passed a year ago, but several GPs have found it
difficult to implement, especially those uncomfortable letting
patients decide for themselves to end their lives (Expatica,
Netherlands).


Missouri Nurse Only Gets Probation After Euthanasia Death  Dec 03,
2003
Pro-life advocates say the case is a travesty of justice and allows
others to commit euthanasia knowing they will only receive a slap on
the wrist if caught. "We may have laws against euthanasia but, if
they are not used in such obvious cases, we are rapidly reaching a
state where euthanasia is still technically illegal in most states,
but more or less openly tolerated." (LifeNews.com, United States).


First Year Allowed  Nov 28, 2003
...com) -- According to new figures from the Belgian government,
there were 203 confirmed euthanasia deaths since the European country
legalized the practice last year. com that the figure leads him to
believe that "euthanasia is not being employed for medically
indicated reasons but instead for culturally indicated reasons."
(LifeNews.com, United States).


French medics held in new euthanasia probe  Nov 26, 2003
The nurse faces possible charges of poisoning and the doctor could be
tried as an accomplice. Euthanasia is illegal in France.
Launching ... (MSNBC)


Euthanasia for 200 in first year  Nov 25, 2003
BRUSSELS �In the first year of legalised euthanasia in Belgium, 203
cases have been recorded, according to newly released figures. The
Federal Ministry for Public Health released the figures Tuesday,
while an official report on euthanasia in Belgium is expected in the
New Year (Expatica, Netherlands).


Nurses back euthanasia  Nov 25, 2003
...medical help to die, but this major survey breaks new ground in
seeking out the views of nurses," said Deborah Annetts, director of
the Voluntary Euthanasia ... (ePolitix, UK)


Randall Terry Resurfaces  Nov 24, 2003
...org), living wills are used to condition public acceptance of
assisted suicide, mercy killing, and euthanasia. But Schiavo s case
appears to have re-energized the movement s opposition to living
wills, in the guise of opposition to euthanasia and assisted suicide
(In These Times).


MORE ARTICLES RE:  EUTHANASIA AND TERRI ARE HERE:
http://biology.surfwax.com/files/Euthanasia.html

Here's how the Holocaust started... And, yes it can happen again!




Named: the baby boy who was Nazis' first euthanasia victim
By Irene Zoech in Berlin
(Filed: 12/10/2003)


German historians have identified the family whose request to Adolf
Hitler that their disabled son be "put to sleep" was the catalyst for
the Nazi euthanasia programme.

The five-month-old boy, who was given a lethal drug after Hitler sent
his own doctor to examine him, has been named as Gerhard Kretschmar,
the son of a farm hand.

The case was to provide the rationale for a secret Nazi decree that
led to "mercy killings" of almost 300,000 mentally and physically
handicapped people. The Kretschmars wanted their son dead but most of
the other children were forcibly taken from their parents to be
killed.

A few days after Gerhard died in 1939, 15 psychiatrists were summoned
to Hitler's Chancellery and told that a secret euthanasia programme -
dreamed of by Hitler for more than a decade - was to be put into
effect.

Until this month, the boy was referred to only as "Case K", the term
used by Nazi doctors when the programme was launched and at the
subsequent Nuremberg war-crimes trials.

Now, Gerhard's name heads the first comprehensive list of victims of
the euthanasia killings, unveiled in Berlin this month as a permanent
and chilling reminder of one of Hitler's lesser-known extermination
programmes.

It was compiled over three years after painstaking research by German
government archivists into 740 previously unknown files relating to
the euthanasia programme.

The files, originally taken from Hitler's Chancellery, were uncovered
in archives of the Stasi, the East German secret police.

It was during his trial at Nuremberg that Karl Brandt, Hitler's
personal doctor, revealed that an unnamed infant had provided the
Nazis with the excuse to embark on creating a master race.

The baby's father, Richard Kretschmar, from the small Saxony town of
Pomssen, near Leipzig, had written to Hitler's office in early 1939
asking for permission to kill his blind and deformed son.

In his testimony, Dr Brandt said: "The father of a deformed child
wrote to the Fuhrer with a request to be allowed to take the life of
this child or this creature. Hitler ordered me to take care of this
case. The child had been born blind, seemed to be idiotic, and a leg
and parts of the arm were missing."

The boy is believed to have been given luminal in the form of a
dissolving tablet, causing unconsciousness and death after three to
five days. The drug was later used on other victims of the euthanasia
programme.

Only a month after the baby's killing, in August 1939, Hitler's
Interior Ministry issued the decree ordering the systematic
annihilation of mentally and physically disabled children.

The new report contains the most comprehensive analysis yet of Nazi
records, including the hundreds of hospitals and clinics that took
part in the Third Reich's programme to wipe out the lives of people
considered "unworthy of living". It contains names and case details
of 200,000 of the programme's estimated 275,000 victims.

Germany's Culture Minister, Christina Weiss, said that the report had
been drawn up to confront the truth and "restore some dignity to the
victims".

As was the case with many other victims, Gerhard Kretschmar's cause
of death was recorded not as euthanasia but as "heart failure",
according to documents at the church where he was buried.

The euthanasia programme was code-named T4, after its street address
in Berlin, and was responsible for the deaths of up to 8,000
children. By the beginning of 1940, six hospitals had been devoted
to "processing" cases.

However, the newly discovered records show that it eventually
extended to 296 medical facilities in Germany, Austria, the Czech
Republic and Poland, in which children and adults were drugged,
gassed or starved.

Ms Weiss said: "We know that these crimes were meant to be kept
secret. The relatives received fake letters of condolence. The
doctors in charge worked under false names. This list is an attempt
to admit what happened and put the record straight."



  9 October 2003: Holocaust trust maps lost graves of victims
  27 September 2003: Mussolini asked Pope to excommunicate Hitler
  16 August 2003: Germany starts laying the Holocaust to rest



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2003/10/12/wnazi12.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/10/12/ixworld.html

One of the top Speech Pathologists / Cognitive Rehab Specialists
at the TOP Facility in the U.S. states in her affidavit
that Terri is clearly vocalizing, is not PVS,
responds and reacts, swallows her saliva,
would benefit from many forms of therapy




Saturday, August 2, 2003

Pathologist's statement in Terri Schiavo case

Posted: August 2, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF ILLINOIS
COUNTY OF COOK

BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared Sara Green
Mele, MS, CCC-SLP, who being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

1. My name is Sara Green Mele, and I have been engaged in the
continuous private practice of speech-language pathology since 1996,
and have served on the staff of the Rehabilitation Institute of
Chicago from 1996 to 1999 and from 2001 to the present. Prior to that
I practiced cognitive therapy at Baylor Institute for Rehabilitation
in Dallas Texas. In both settings I worked with the broad range of
brain injured populations. The Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago is
affiliated with Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine,
and is recognized in the United States rehabilitation community as
the top facility in the United States. The Baylor Institute for
Rehabilitation is affiliated with Baylor University Medical Center,
and is recognized in the United States rehabilitation community as
one of the top ten facilities in the United States. I am a clinical
lecturer at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, and
lecture for continuing medical education credits (CME) through the
Rehabilitation Institute's continuing education program as well as at
national conferences. In April of this year I participated in the
presention of a two-day head injury course entitled Interdisciplinary
Rehabilitation Management in Traumatic Brain Injury to over two
hundred health professionals in Tampa, Florida. My full curriculum
vitae is attached.

2. In my practice, I treat many patients who have had diffuse brain
injury, both anoxic and hypoxic, and I am familiar with states of
impairment known as coma, coma-like, minimally conscious and
persistent vegetative state. I regularly participate in the
evaluation and cognitive/linguistic diagnosis of patients whose
differential diagnosis include such conditions. In connection with my
practice of speech-language pathology, I also evaluate patients, and
train others in the evaluation of patients for swallowing function.
During my career as a speech-language pathologist, I have personally
treated approximately thirty patients similar to Terri Schiavo.

3. In evaluating patients for rehabilitation, the Rehabilitation
Institute of Chicago does not track the diagnosis of patients by
their referring caregivers, but rather evaluates them for itself
because the misdiagnosis rate is so high.

4. While I have not physically examined Terri Schiavo, I have looked
at her medical records at MediPlex covering the period from January
to July of 1991, including physical therapy, speech and language
therapy, and occupational therapy. Also, I have studied the video
clips presented at the October 2002 Medical Evidentiary Hearing,
along with audio recordings of Terri Schiavo interacting with her
father in November of 2002. The observations that follow are all
within the parameters of speech-language pathology, and are similar
to the observations that I am called upon to make regularly in the
course of treating patients as a speech-language pathologist. All
conclusions are based on standards used in the speech-pathology
profession in the treatment of patients such as Theresa Schiavo.

5. Based on my experience and my observations, Mrs. Schiavo is
clearly aware of her environment and interacts with it, albeit
inconsistently. She is able to comprehend spoken language, and can,
at least inconsistently, follow simple one-step commands. This is
documented both in the MediPlex records and in the following
behaviors noted in the following video segments:

C 01 (Examination of Dr. Cranford on July 9, 2002) – Terri
appears to
respond to her mother's voice, although there is not much to
differentiate between a generalized and localized response in this
clip.

C 02 (same exam as above) – Terri appears to track a balloon.
This is
difficult to verify with complete certainty for two reasons. First,
many of the camera shots are too "tight" on Terri's face to be
certain of the location of the balloon. Second, Dr. Cranford presents
a great deal of information to Mrs. Schiavo very quickly. Even
moderately brain-damaged patients have severe difficulty responding
that quickly to commands. Such patients display a significant delay
in processing, which Dr. Cranford does not seem to allow for. In the
same clip, Terri appears to move her head toward Dr. Cranford's
voice, despite limited motor ability. Clearly, once her head is
positioned, she appears to move her gaze toward a voice.

M 01 (Examination of Dr. Maxfield 9/4/02) – Although it is
difficult
to hear on the video, Terri appears to respond to the sound of her
mother's voice on a cell phone held to her ear. Additionally, Terri
appears to move her head as well as her eyes in tracking a balloon.

M 03 (same exam as above) – Terri appears to have a purposeful
laugh
in response to the story from her childhood as related by her father
in the video. This would appear to be an appropriate emotional
reaction to latent memory.

H 01 (Examination of Dr. Hammesfahr 9/3/02) – Although Terri
seems to
fixate on the source of the music, there is little response until she
hears her mother's voice, at which time she smiles and moans
purposefully.

H 04 (Same exam as above) – A loosening of Terri's muscular tone
appears to be a result of a soothing effect on Terri of her father's
voice. This could indicate recognition of the voice as her father's,
and an appropriate emotional response. Later in this clip, Terri's
behavior of looking first at Dr. Hammesfahr and then at her mother
appears to be responsive to the request that she do so. When she
opens and closes her eyes, she clearly appears to be following the
commands of Dr. Hammesfahr to do so, although she cannot engage in
this behavior consistently .

H 09 (Same Exam as above) – Terri appears to keep her eyes closed
on
command, but it would be helpful to assess in other venues, such as
relative to her neck position and visual stimulii.

H 11 (Same exam as above) – Terri appears to track a balloon but
appears to be challenged by motor deficiency to move past midline.
This could be secondary to an oculomotor dysfunction.

6. Terri is clearly vocalizing. She does not appear to vocalize at
random during these examinations. Her vocalizations are generally
purposeful and usually in response to specific environmental stimuli,
most particularly family members.

7. Over the years since her injury, Terri has infrequently spoken
audible words. The records of MediPlex reflect the fact that she has
said "stop" in apparent response to a medical procedure being done to
her. The family reports that they have heard Terri say "ugh-hugh,"
ugh-ugh," and "No" on a few occasions.

8. Since the time of the medical evidentiary hearing in October of
2002, family members have made a concerted effort to encourage Terri
to vocalize, and have attempted, as laypersons, to coach her in basic
speech.

Most prominently, they have coached Terri in trying to say "yea", as
a way in which she may answer "yes" to questions. The family has an
audiotape recorded in November of 2002 in which Terri vocalizes in
apparent response to her father. Her vocalizations include repeated
sounds which approximate the word "yeah," in the same manner in which
she was coached. Prior to that time, no member of her family recalls
Terri being able to approximate the "yeah" sound. I cannot conclude
that Terri can accurately answer a yes/no question without the
therapy suggested below.

9. The apparent addition of an approximation of the word "yeah" to
Terri's repertoire of responses is clearly a learned behavior. Her
use of this sound on the audiotape is apparently in response to her
father. It is reasonable to conclude that Terri is trying, despite
her motor deficits, to speak as best she can. Terri is clearly a
suitable candidate for speech-language therapy.

10. It is not my opinion that Mrs. Schiavo is in a coma or in a
persistent vegetative state. In my opinion, she exhibits purposeful
though inconsistent reactions to her environment, particularly her
family. Her eye movements, easily observed on the videotape, are
particularly suggestive that she recognized family members and
responded. She also appeared to have sufficient sustained attention
to track a balloon. It is not my opinion that these behaviors are
merely reflexive. The entire range of behaviors listed above, and
each and every one of them, are inconsistent with a diagnosis of
persistent vegetative state.

11. Even without the benefit of any medical treatment which
successfully improves this patient's organic medical condition or
cognitive abilities, in my opinion Terri would benefit from speech-
language therapy, physical therapy and occupational/recreational
therapy. Her ability to interact with her environment and her ability
to communicate can be enhanced. Her quality of life can be
significantly enhanced.

12. I would specifically recommend that Terri be given access to a
system known as an environmental control system. We use such systems
at the Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago to permit patients such as
Terri to exercise control over their environment, such as to turn
their television or radio on or off, change channels, and to control
volume. Such environmental controls may also permit Terri to control
room lighting. In my opinion, Terri could make use of such a system
if it were made available and she received training in its use. I
would further recommend that a yes/no system be implemented, and that
Terri be trained in its use from the beginning of her rehabilitation
regimen. Such a system could permit Terri to more effectively
communicate.

13. It is apparent that Terri has sufficient swallowing ability to
handle her own secretions, therefore it would be my recommendation
that she receive a modified barium swallow study to assess swallow
function for intake trials of thin and thick liquids and pureed
consistencies. It has been my experience that patients similar to
Terri have been able to accomplish food intake. This would permit
Terri greater interaction with her family and in social situations
through the enjoyment of mealtimes. I have worked with numerous
disabled patients who have expressed to me that being able to eat
would make the difference between their desiring to live or die.

14. It is my judgement based on my training and clinical experience
working with patients similar to Terri that she would, within a
reasonable degree of clinical probability, be able to improve her
ability to interact with her environment, communicate with others,
and control her environment if she were given appropriate therapy and
training as outlined above. These recommendations, in my opinion,
would greatly improve Terri's quality of life.

FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT.

Sara Green Mele, MS, CCC-SLP

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33875

I am a Florida citizen and have followed this case and extensively
researched everything I can find regarding Terri Schindler-Schiavo
for over a year now.  I am extremely glad the attempted murder of
Terri by starvation and dehydration was stopped after her feeding
tube was removed on two separate occasions, however, I believe
Terri's Law was written and passed into law for political purposes.
I also feel that the Florida Supreme Court will rule Terri's Law
unconstitutional, not that I am saying I believe it is
unconstitutional.  I just do not believe ignoring state and federal
laws while passing Terri's Law at the last minute was the best
measure to take.

On October 15, 2003, Governor Bush asked for legal assistance in
saving Terri Schindler-Schiavo's life.  At least five (5) expert
attorneys wrote letters to Governor Bush emphatically informing him
that he already had the power to stop Terri's dehydration and
starvation and to begin an investigation into the alleged abuses of
this vulnerable, disabled adult.  Governor Bush chose to totally
ignore and disregard everything about which they had advised him.  I
implore you to read what two Constitutional experts recommended the
Governor do at that time, without delay.


Read the 2 attorney's letters here:
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm

Here is the full text of these 2 letters:



GIBBS LAW FIRM, P.A.                        TELEPHONE: (727) 399-8300
Attorneys and Counselors at Law             FACSIMILE: (727) 398-3907
5666 SEMINOLE BOULEVARD, SUITE TWO
SEMINOLE, FLORIDA 33772
October 16, 2003

VIA EMAIL & FACSIMILE 850-488-9810


Honorable Jeb Bush
Governor, State of Florida
c/o Governor's General Counsel, Racquel Rodriguez
& Christa Calamas
Tallahassee, FL


Dear Governor Bush:

Several hours ago our office received a copy of a letter to you from
Mr. Jack Thompson, Esq., written in response to your request
yesterday for assistance from legal counsel inside and outside your
Administration toward the end of saving Terri Schiavo's life.

We wish to affirm and support the objective of saving Terri's
life as expressed in that letter. Mr. Thompson is correct in his
assessment that Terri has been sentenced to death without even the
normal means of appeal that would be afforded to her if she were a
convicted prisoner. Were Terri Schiavo a convicted prisoner, she
would at least have the possibility of a reprieve, or even a pardon,
from your office.

Several days ago, the Schindlers also asked our law firm to assist in
saving Terri's life and, in response, we closed our doors for two
days to permit our ten attorneys to review around the clock the more
than ten-year record in this case in search of a legal miracle. We
met with Terri's parents for several hours and spent hundreds of
hours collectively researching and consulting with previous and
present attorneys for the Schindlers. We know that other law firms in
other parts of the state have taken similar drastic measures this
week. Unfortunately we have all reached the same conclusion. The
probate court system has blocked all attempts to rationally review
this decision to sentence Terri Schiavo to death.

In reviewing the legal filings in this case, we noted that there is
much credible evidence that Terri Schiavo did NOT indicate to her
husband or to anyone else that she had a wish to die were she to
become disabled. We also saw evidence that leads us to believe
that some measure of successful rehabilitation was at least a
reasonable possibility had her husband/guardian and the probate court
system at any point along the way allowed the use of available funds
earmarked for her rehabilitation in a medical malpractice settlement
ten years ago.

There are many holes in this case. The "legal" facts that the court
system has determined, and that all the judges who have reviewed this
matter have affirmed, do not comport with the "real" facts. Terri
Schiavo's parents want to permit Michael Schiavo to move on with
his life and with his new family and desire to care for Terri
themselves.

There is no real, credible evidence in this record, despite the
probate court system's findings, that Terri ever told her husband
she would want to die under the circumstances in which she now finds
herself. Having entered the finding that she would have chosen to
die, the court system has shut down every available means of
reviewing alternatives, and has prevented access to Terri from any
medical personnel who believe in the possibility that she may recover.

On Monday, after our office had reviewed the legal history in this
case, we assisted the Schindler's attorneys in petitioning Judge
Greer to clarify his order that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be
removed. The federal court had pointed out that Judge Greer's
order did not specify whether alternate feeding attempts could or
should be made following the removal of the nutrition and hydration
tube.

Several medical experts have testified that Terri has a swallowing
reflex. Our motion (which is attached) asked the probate court to
clarify the fact that, under its order to remove her feeding tube,
Terri could be given food and nutrition naturally by mouth under
medical supervision after her feeding tube was removed. The probate
court appears to be so committed to Terri Schiavo's death that it
refused even to consider hearing arguments on that motion and
denied it within hours of its filing.

Having carefully reviewed this matter over hundreds of hours
collectively this week, we are well aware of the legal roadblocks in
this case. Because the probate court's order did not specify
whether natural feeding should be attempted and did not bar the
hospice from attempting to feed Terri Schiavo, we believe that the
normal medical standard of care should be followed and that natural
feeding should be attempted.

Because Michael Schiavo has blocked access to any medical personnel
who would attempt such measures and has, we believe, instructed
hospice personnel not to attempt such measures, I suggest that it
would be appropriate for your office to intervene through the
Department of Children and Families in an investigatory capacity.
Toward that end, DCFS should be directed to open an investigation and
to appoint a doctor to examine Terri Schiavo and determine to the
Department's satisfaction whether she can be fed naturally. If
her current hospice care, as chosen by Michael Schiavo her present
guardian, is determined to have breached the medical standard of care
for patients, it should be held accountable and the Department should
take immediate custody of the patient.

As you can see from our Motion for Clarification, we were not asking
for yet another bite at the apple, but, rather, for reasonable
assurances that the family's legitimate concerns would be
addressed and protected. Rather than ensuring the family's rights of
access to their daughter, Terri's ability to have her last rites
administered by the family's priest, and the right of humane
treatment—even in the process of removing the nutrition and hydration
tube—the probate court system chose to leave these matters uncertain.

These uncertainties certainly open the door for an investigation by
the Department. Thank you for your compassionate willingness to
intervene. We stand ready to assist in this effort in any manner you
might find appropriate. At this point, your office appears to be
Terri Schiavo's only hope for life and for surviving a cruel and
unusual, judicially imposed death sentence.


Sincerely,

Gibbs Law Firm, P.A.

David C. Gibbs III

Admitted in Florida, North Dakota, Minnesota, Colorado, Texas, and
the District of Columbia.



Enclosures as stated




IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT

IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA

PROBATE DIVISION



In Re: The Guardianship of

THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO,

Incapacitated.

___________________________________//

MICHAEL SCHIAVO, as Guardian of

the person of THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO,

Petitioner,

vs.

ROBERT SCHINDLER and MARY

SCHINDLER,

Respondents.

___________________________________//



MOTION FOR CLARIFICATION AND
SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF ORDER

Respondents ROBERT SCHINDLER and MARY SCHINDLER, as Parents and
Next Friends of THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO and through their undersigned
counsel, respectfully request this Court to issue a clarification of
its order entered September 17, 2003, and to supplement its ruling
regarding implementation thereof. In support thereof, Respondents
show unto the Court as follows:

1. By order of September 17, 2003, this Court issued the following
order:

ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that the Guardian, Michael Schiavo, shall cause
the removal of the nutrition and hydration tube from the Ward,
Theresa Marie Schiavo, at 2:00 p.m. on the 15th day of October, 2003.

2. Nothing in this motion should be construed as an attack on the
substance of the Court's ruling hereunder in setting a date for
the removal of the nutrition and hydration tube.

3. However, as was pointed out by the United States District Court,
Judge Richard A. Lazzara presiding, this Court's order does not
include any particular guidance regarding the procedures and process
to follow the removal of the nutrition and hydration tube.

4. Respondents' have contacted counsel for the Guardian and
requested that a mutually-agreeable medical witness be present to
observe the surgical removal procedure to ensure the procedure is
conducted in a medically appropriate and humane manner so as to
preserve Terri Schiavo's protected rights…

5. Respondents' request was denied….

6. Therefore, a genuine issue is in dispute and hereby presented to
the Court to clarify whether a medical witness, mutually agreeable to
the parties or in the event the parties cannot agree a medical
witness appointed by this Court, to observe the surgical procedures
ordered by this Court and to preserve Terri Schiavo's protected
rights.

7. Respondents have contacted counsel for the Guardian and requested
that accommodations be made following the removal of the nutrition
and hydration tube for medical personnel to be given access to Terri
Schiavo for the purpose of [oral feeding] through non-surgical means
of the nature available to any quadriplegic or paraplegic or
otherwise incapacitated individuals.

8. Respondents' request was denied….

9. Therefore, a genuine issue is in dispute and hereby presented to
the Court to clarify whether medical personnel must be granted access
to Terri Schiavo for the purpose of [oral feeding] through non-
surgical means of the nature available to any quadriplegic or
paraplegic or otherwise incapacitated individuals.

WHEREFORE, Respondents pray this Court clarify its order and
supplement its order regarding implementation by granting
Respondents' request and appointing a medical witness to observe
the surgical removal process and to issue an order granting access
for medical personnel to orally feed Terri Schiavo through non-
surgical means following the removal of the nutrition and hydration
tube.

Dated: October 14, 2003




John B. Thompson, Attorney
1172 South Dixie Highway, Suite 111
Coral Gables, Florida 33146-2750
Phone: 305-666-4366
Jackpeace@...

October 16, 2003



The Honorable Jeb Bush
Governor, State of Florida
C/o Governor's General Counsel, Racquel Rodriguez,
and Christa Calamas
The Capitol
Tallahassee, Florida Via Fax to 850-488-9810

Re: Execution of Terri Schiavo is "Cruel and Unusual Punishment"


Dear Governor Bush:

I have been asked by the family of Terri Schiavo to do what I can to
save her life in light of your request yesterday for assistance from
legal counsel inside and outside your Administration toward that end.

Governor, you have the power, by the mere stroke of a pen, to
prohibit what is, in every sense, the execution of Terri Schiavo by a
means that is both cruel and unusual in violation of Article I,
Section 17 of the Florida Constitution and the Eighth Amendment to
the United States Constitution.

Death by dehydration and starvation is arguably the most brutal,
inhumane, and pain-inducing way to kill any living creature. The
United States Department of Agriculture in its own regulations at
9CFR2.131 prohibits the withholding of food and water from farm
animals. Terri Schiavo is not less than a farm animal.

If you, as Governor, were to order the execution of a serial killer
on death row by means of withholding food and water, you would be
ordered by any number of courts not to do so. The horror of dying by
dehydration makes death by electric chair, by comparison, an act of
compassion.

The fact that this woman is neither accused nor convicted of any
crime makes absolutely no difference. In fact, the lack of
criminality makes the execution even more cruel and unusual,
for a criminal sanction is being imposed upon an innocent woman.

You have the power and the duty, under both the Florida and United
States Constitutions, which you took an oath to uphold, to enter an
Executive Order, today, to prohibit the imposition of any cruel and
unusual punishment in this State. Upon entering such an Order, you
then have the power, right, and duty to give force to that order by
dispatching state law enforcement officials to take custody of Terri
Schiavo and stop her forced starvation and dehydration.

Governor Bush, you do not need a court order to do any of this. No
court at any level has the power to revoke the Florida and United
States Constitutions. They cannot revoke your oath of office. You are
an enthusiast of the James Madison Institute, and as such you know
that the Executive branch of government is co-equal with the other
two branches. No judge has the power to elevate the judicial branch
over the executive branch thereby abrogating your state and federal
constitutional duties and powers.

On behalf of the family of this innocent woman, and with all respect
for the responsibilities of your office, we ask that you act
immediately.

Respectfully,
Jack Thompson


These 2 attorneys letters are posted at the link below:
http://www.societyfortruthandjustice.com/new_page_5.htm

PETITION FOR WRIT OF QUO WARRANTO

Note:  This document has been typed exactly like the original one,
which is in pdf (portable document format, which must be read using
Adobe Acrobat Reader).  The only differences in this typed document
and the original one are that the Florida statutes cited in the
original document have been emphasized in bold type, and the statutes
which Pat Anderson cited are contained in full, both in text form and
with links to each statute cited, with the specific parts of each
statute she emphasized appearing in bold typeface.  Statutes are also
emphasized in red.  All black colored type is what was contained in
the original document.

Converting this pdf document to text form and adding all of the
Florida statutes was very time consuming, but was done with great
love, hope, and support for Terri Schindler and the Schindler
family.  I felt that it was especially important to enable people to
easily know what Terri's rights are, and how many rights of Terri's
are being blatantly denied, which has been going on for almost 12
years now.  I urge everyone to copy this, e-mail it, and post it
anywhere and everywhere possible.

It would be wonderful for anyone who can, to accurately convert other
documents which are also in pdf to text form, or they may be printed
and scanned into a computer and then posted.



You will find numerous important documents which need to be converted
at

The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation's official website:
http://www.terrisfight.org

(Including here):  http://terrisfight.org/documents.html

More documents can be found here:  http://www.zimp.org/documents

and here:  http://hospicepatients.org/Terri-Schindler-Schiavo-docs-
links-page.html


Please continue to pray for Terri, the Schindler family, and for
others in similar situations, and please educate others about Terri
and this case.  Thank you to all of you who are doing anything you
can to help Terri and her family.  We can make a difference if we
try.

______________________________________________________________________
____________________________________

THE FLORIDA STATUTES AND FLORIDA CONSTITUTION MAY BE FOUND HERE:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Welcome/index.cfm

VIEW LATEST (FROM 2003) FLORIDA STATUTES:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=View%
20Statutes&Submenu=1&Tab=statutes

SEARCH FLORIDA STATUTES:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=Search%
20Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes

VIEW FLORIDA CONSTITUTION HERE:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?
Mode=Constitution&Submenu=3&Tab=statutes

______________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________


VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation:
http://terrisfight.org/press/070704writ.html
Writ of Quo Warranto Dismissed

Judge George Greer has ordered that a Writ of Quo Warranto filed on
behalf of Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, be
dismissed and dissolved.

In his order, Greer suggests that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler already have
ample legal remedy with a November 15, 2002 petition to remove
Terri's husband as her guardian which has yet to be resolved in
Greer's court. Additionally, Greer states that "extraordinary relief
will not be granted in cases where the granting of it will result in
confusion and disorder."

Through their attorneys, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler brought forth a
petition for Writ of Quo Warranto, which asks that Terri's husband be
required to demonstrate under what authority he continues to act as
Terri's guardian. The basis for their petition was that Terri's
husband had failed to file guardianship plans on an annual basis as
required by Florida Statute 744.3675, had isolated her and had
apparently neglected her healthcare needs to the point that five
teeth had been extracted due to decay.

Additionally, the petition for Writ of Quo Warranto states that,
under Florida Statute 744.369(8), "the approved report constitutes
the authority for the guardian to act in the forthcoming year. The
powers of the guardian are limited by the terms of the report." As
Terri's husband had not filed guardianship plans for the periods of
08/01/2001 through 07/31/2002 and 08/01/2002 through 07/31/2003 until
June 1, 2004, Bob and Mary Schindler contend that he has not complied
with state requirements that allow him to act as their daughter's
guardian.

Related Documents:

Greer's Order dismissing Writ of Quo Warranto

Petition for Writ of Quo Warranto

Filing of Guardianship Plans June 1, 2004



(End of update from The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation)


______________________________________________________________________
_____________

This document
(PETITION FOR WRIT OF QUO WARRANTO - APRIL 26, 2004)
RE:  GUARDIANSHIP OF TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO
can be found here:
http://www.zimp.org/documents/qw.pdf





(Stamped
"R E C E I V E D
ST. PETERSBURG BRANCH
APRIL 26 2004
KARLEEN F. De BLAKER
CLERK CIRCUIT COURT")

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL COURT
IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA
PROBATE DIVISION
UCN 52199GA002908XXGDXX
Ref. No. 90-2908GD-003




IN RE:  THE GUARDIANSHIP OF
THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO,
                       Incapacitated.

_____________________________//

ROBERT AND MARY SCHINDLER,
                       Petitioners,

v.

MICHAEL SCHIAVO,
                       Respondent.

_____________________________//

PETITION FOR WRIT OF QUO WARRANTO

Petitioners Robert and Mary Schindleras interested parties hereby
petition this court for its writ of quo warranto directed to

Michael Schiavo as Court-Appointed Guardian of the person of the
Ward, Theresa Marie Schiavo, and show the court as follows:

I. BASIS OF INVOKING JURISDICITON:

"Quo warranto is the proper method to test the 'exercise of some
right or

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privilege, the peculiar powers of which are derived from the State""
and to challenge actions beyond the grant of that authority.

Martinez v. Martinez, 545 So. 2d 1338, 1339 (Fla. 1989).  This is
true even where the respondent is not a state official or agent.

State ex rel. Watkins v. Fernandez, 106 Fla. 779, 143 So. 638 )Fla.
1932) (en banc);  MacNamara v. Kissimmee River Valley

Sportsmans' Ass'n. 648 So.2d 155 (Fla. 2d DCA 1994);  Belle Isle Inv.
Co., Ltd. v. Feingold, 453 So.2d 1143 (Fla. 3d DCA 1984).

This court jurisdiction to issue a writ of quo warranto pursuant to
Fla. Const. Art. 5(b) and is controlled by Fla. R. Civ. P. 1,630.


II. STATEMENT OF FACTS

In 1990, Respondent Michael Schiavo was appointed by the Sixth
Judicial Circuit Court, Probate Division, as the Guardian for his

incapacitated wife Theresa Marie Schiavo.  Petitioners are the
parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo and, as such, are "interested

persons" in the context of Florida's Guardianship Code ("Code"). Fla.
Stat. 744.367(4); In re Guardianship of Schiavo,

792 So.2d 551 (Fla.2d DCA 2001).


http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?
App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLIII#TitleXLIII

TITLE XLIII DOMESTIC RELATIONS Ch.741-753



Chapter 744  GUARDIANSHIP

   Part VI:   POWERS AND DUTIES


744.367  Duty to file annual guardianship report.

(1)  Unless the court requires filing on a calendar-year basis, each
guardian of the person shall file with the court an annual
guardianship plan within 90 days after the last day of the
anniversary month the letters of guardianship were signed, and the
plan must cover the coming fiscal year, ending on the last day in
such anniversary month. If the court requires calendar-year filing,
the guardianship plan must be filed within 90 days after the end of
the calendar year.

(2)  Unless the court requires or authorizes filing on a fiscal-year
basis, each guardian of the property shall file with the court an
annual accounting on or before April 1 of each year. The annual
accounting must cover the preceding calendar year. If the court
authorizes or directs filing on a fiscal-year basis, the annual
accounting must be filed on or before the first day of the fourth
month after the end of the fiscal year.

(3)  The annual guardianship report of a guardian of the property
must consist of an annual accounting, and the annual report of a
guardian of the person of an incapacitated person must consist of an
annual guardianship plan. The annual report shall be served on the
ward, unless the ward is a minor under the age of 14 years or is
totally incapacitated, and on the attorney for the ward, if any. The
guardian shall provide a copy to any other person as the court may
direct.

(4)  Unless the ward is a minor or has been determined to be totally
incapacitated, the guardian shall review a copy of the annual report
with the ward, to the extent possible. Within 30 days after the
annual report has been filed, any interested person, including the
ward, may file written objections to any element of the report,
specifying the nature of the objection.

(5)  If the guardian fails to timely file the annual guardianship
report, the judge may impose sanctions which may include contempt,
removal of the guardian, or other sanctions provided by law in s.
744.3685.

(6)  Notwithstanding any other requirement of this section or unless
otherwise directed by the court, the guardian of the property may
file the first annual accounting on either a fiscal-year or calendar-
year basis. Unless the court directs otherwise, the guardian shall
notify the court as to the guardian's filing intention within 30 days
from the date the guardian was issued the letter of guardianship. All
subsequent annual accountings must be filed on the same accounting
period as the first annual accounting unless the court authorizes or
directs otherwise. The first accounting period must end within 1 year
after the end of the month in which the letters of guardianship were
issued to the guardian of the property.

History.--s. 1, ch. 74-106; ss. 6, 26, ch. 75-222; s. 50, ch. 89-96;
s. 33, ch. 90-271; s. 25, ch. 92-200; s. 68, ch. 95-211; s. 24, ch.
95-401; s. 10, ch. 96-354.

Note.--Created from former s. 744.482.


As Guardian of the Person, Respondent is mandated by the Code to file
and obtain approval from the court for an annual care plan

for Theresa Marie Schiavo for the coming year.  No guardian may
exercise the delegated rights of his

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ward except pursuant to such a plan.  Since 1990, Respondent has
never received approval for a care plan on a prospective basis.

Respondent last obtained approval for a care plan on May 8, 2002
filed Ferbruary 1, 2002 - for the year ending June 30, 2001,

nineteen months late.  Respondent has not even filed a proposed care
plan since then, relying, instead, on as series of deadline

extensions.


For years, despite the lack of a proper court-approved care plan,
Respondent denied the Ward any therapy and has sought to

isolate her scoially.  Finally, On March 29, 2004, despite the lack
of a current care plan and his authority to do so, Respondent

informed Petitioners the Ward could receive no future visitors,
including her family members.

(Exhibit 1, attached and incorporated).


On March 30, 2004 Petitioners attempted to visit their daughter and
were turned away.  Subsequent attempts, through counsel, to

restore visitation have been unavailing.  (Composite Exhibit 2,
attached and incorporated).  On April 20, 2004, Petitioners learned

Respondent has had five of the Ward's teeth extracted.  (Exhibit 3,
attached and incorporated).


III. THE NATURE OF THE RELIEF SOUGHT

The nature of the relief sought by this petition is a wrie of quo
warranto directing Respondent to demonstate his authority to act on

behalf of the Ward or in defogation of her rights retained under
Florida law.  Ultimately, Petitioners seek

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a determination by this Court that Respondent is not authorized to
act on behalf of the Ward or in derogation of her rights retained

under Florida law.

IV. ARGUMENT

Although many hours of judicial labor have been expanded on this case
in both trial court and the Second District Court of Appeal,

those labors have been directed to the question of whether the Ward
will ive or die.  This Petition addresses a different question:

will the law apply to her while she lives?


Respondednt has been derelict in his duties to the court and to the
Ward for years.

Through the vehicle of an annual plan of care for the Ward, he is
required to obtain court approval for his care of the Ward on a

year-to-year basis.  "[T]He annual report of a guardian of the person
of an incapacitted person must consist of an annual

guardianship plan."  Fla Stat. 744.367(3)


TITLE XLIII DOMESTIC RELATIONS Ch.741-753



Chapter 744  GUARDIANSHIP

   Part VI:   POWERS AND DUTIES


744.367  Duty to file annual guardianship report.

(1)  Unless the court requires filing on a calendar-year basis, each
guardian of the person shall file with the court an annual
guardianship plan within 90 days after the last day of the
anniversary month the letters of guardianship were signed, and the
plan must cover the coming fiscal year, ending on the last day in
such anniversary month. If the court requires calendar-year filing,
the guardianship plan must be filed within 90 days after the end of
the calendar year.

(2)  Unless the court requires or authorizes filing on a fiscal-year
basis, each guardian of the property shall file with the court an
annual accounting on or before April 1 of each year. The annual
accounting must cover the preceding calendar year. If the court
authorizes or directs filing on a fiscal-year basis, the annual
accounting must be filed on or before the first day of the fourth
month after the end of the fiscal year.

(3)  The annual guardianship report of a guardian of the property
must consist of an annual accounting, and the annual report of a
guardian of the person of an incapacitated person must consist of an
annual guardianship plan. The annual report shall be served on the
ward, unless the ward is a minor under the age of 14 years or is
totally incapacitated, and on the attorney for the ward, if any. The
guardian shall provide a copy to any other person as the court may
direct.

(4)  Unless the ward is a minor or has been determined to be totally
incapacitated, the guardian shall review a copy of the annual report
with the ward, to the extent possible. Within 30 days after the
annual report has been filed, any interested person, including the
ward, may file written objections to any element of the report,
specifying the nature of the objection.

(5)  If the guardian fails to timely file the annual guardianship
report, the judge may impose sanctions which may include contempt,
removal of the guardian, or other sanctions provided by law in s.
744.3685.

(6)  Notwithstanding any other requirement of this section or unless
otherwise directed by the court, the guardian of the property may
file the first annual accounting on either a fiscal-year or calendar-
year basis. Unless the court directs otherwise, the guardian shall
notify the court as to the guardian's filing intention within 30 days
from the date the guardian was issued the letter of guardianship. All
subsequent annual accountings must be filed on the same accounting
period as the first annual accounting unless the court authorizes or
directs otherwise. The first accounting period must end within 1 year
after the end of the month in which the letters of guardianship were
issued to the guardian of the property.

History.--s. 1, ch. 74-106; ss. 6, 26, ch. 75-222; s. 50, ch. 89-96;
s. 33, ch. 90-271; s. 25, ch. 92-200; s. 68, ch. 95-211; s. 24, ch.
95-401; s. 10, ch. 96-354.

Note.--Created from former s. 744.482.


Failure to file the report is grounds for contempt proceedings,
removal as guardian, or other appropriate sanction.

Fla Stat. 744.367(5).

TITLE XLIII DOMESTIC RELATIONS Ch.741-753




Part VI:   POWERS AND DUTIES


744.367  Duty to file annual guardianship report.

(1)  Unless the court requires filing on a calendar-year basis, each
guardian of the person shall file with the court an annual
guardianship plan within 90 days after the last day of the
anniversary month the letters of guardianship were signed, and the
plan must cover the coming fiscal year, ending on the last day in
such anniversary month. If the court requires calendar-year filing,
the guardianship plan must be filed within 90 days after the end of
the calendar year.

(2)  Unless the court requires or authorizes filing on a fiscal-year
basis, each guardian of the property shall file with the court an
annual accounting on or before April 1 of each year. The annual
accounting must cover the preceding calendar year. If the court
authorizes or directs filing on a fiscal-year basis, the annual
accounting must be filed on or before the first day of the fourth
month after the end of the fiscal year.

(3)  The annual guardianship report of a guardian of the property
must consist of an annual accounting, and the annual report of a
guardian of the person of an incapacitated person must consist of an
annual guardianship plan. The annual report shall be served on the
ward, unless the ward is a minor under the age of 14 years or is
totally incapacitated, and on the attorney for the ward, if any. The
guardian shall provide a copy to any other person as the court may
direct.

(4)  Unless the ward is a minor or has been determined to be totally
incapacitated, the guardian shall review a copy of the annual report
with the ward, to the extent possible. Within 30 days after the
annual report has been filed, any interested person, including the
ward, may file written objections to any element of the report,
specifying the nature of the objection.

(5)  If the guardian fails to timely file the annual guardianship
report, the judge may impose sanctions which may include contempt,
removal of the guardian, or other sanctions provided by law in s.
744.3685.

(6)  Notwithstanding any other requirement of this section or unless
otherwise directed by the court, the guardian of the property may
file the first annual accounting on either a fiscal-year or calendar-
year basis. Unless the court directs otherwise, the guardian shall
notify the court as to the guardian's filing intention within 30 days
from the date the guardian was issued the letter of guardianship. All
subsequent annual accountings must be filed on the same accounting
period as the first annual accounting unless the court authorizes or
directs otherwise. The first accounting period must end within 1 year
after the end of the month in which the letters of guardianship were
issued to the guardian of the property.

History.--s. 1, ch. 74-106; ss. 6, 26, ch. 75-222; s. 50, ch. 89-96;
s. 33, ch. 90-271; s. 25, ch. 92-200; s. 68, ch. 95-211; s. 24, ch.
95-401; s. 10, ch. 96-354.

Note.--Created from former s. 744.482.



"Each guardian of the person must file with the court an annual
guardianship plan which updates information about the condition of
the ward.  The annual plan must specify the current needs of the ward
and how those needs and how those needs are proposed to be met in the
coming year."  Fla. Stat. 744.3675 (emphasis supplied).



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744.3675  Annual guardianship plan.--Each guardian of the person must
file with the court an annual guardianship plan which updates
information about the condition of the ward. The annual plan must
specify the current needs of the ward and how those needs are
proposed to be met in the coming year.

(1)  Each plan must, if applicable, include:

(a)  Information concerning the residence of the ward, including:

1.  The ward's address at the time of filing the plan;

2.  The name and address of each place where the ward was maintained
during the preceding year;

3.  The length of stay of the ward at each place;

4.  A statement of whether the current residential setting is best
suited for the current needs of the ward; and

5.  Plans for ensuring during the coming year that the ward is in the
best residential setting to meet his or her needs.

(b)  Information concerning the medical condition and needs of the
ward, including:

1.  A resume of any professional medical treatment given to the ward
during the preceding year;

2.  The report of a physician who examined the ward no more than 90
days before the beginning of the applicable reporting period. Such
report must contain an evaluation of the ward's condition and a
statement of the current level of capacity of the ward; and

3.  The plan for provision of medical, mental health, and
rehabilitative services in the coming year.

(c)  Information concerning the social condition of the ward,
including:

1.  The social and personal services currently utilized by the ward;

2.  The social skills of the ward, including a statement of how well
the ward maintains interpersonal relationships with others;

3.  A description of the ward's activities at communication and
visitation; and

4.  The social needs of the ward.

(2)  Each plan must address the issue of restoration of rights to the
ward and include:

(a)  A summary of activities during the preceding year which were
designed to increase the capacity of the ward;

(b)  A statement of whether the ward can have any rights restored;
and

(c)  A statement of whether restoration of any rights will be sought.

(3)  The court, in its discretion, may require reexamination of the
ward by a physician at any time.

History.--s. 51, ch. 89-96; s. 34, ch. 90-271; s. 11, ch. 96-354; s.
1786, ch. 97-102; s. 4, ch. 97-161.

Among other detailed statutory requirements for the plan's contents
is "provision of medical, mental health, and rehabilitative

services in the

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coming year."  Fla. Stat. 744.3675(1)(b)(3)(emphasis supplied),

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744.3675  Annual guardianship plan.--Each guardian of the person must
file with the court an annual guardianship plan which updates
information about the condition of the ward. The annual plan must
specify the current needs of the ward and how those needs are
proposed to be met in the coming year.

(1)  Each plan must, if applicable, include:

(a)  Information concerning the residence of the ward, including:

1.  The ward's address at the time of filing the plan;

2.  The name and address of each place where the ward was maintained
during the preceding year;

3.  The length of stay of the ward at each place;

4.  A statement of whether the current residential setting is best
suited for the current needs of the ward; and

5.  Plans for ensuring during the coming year that the ward is in the
best residential setting to meet his or her needs.

(b)  Information concerning the medical condition and needs of the
ward, including:

1.  A resume of any professional medical treatment given to the ward
during the preceding year;

2.  The report of a physician who examined the ward no more than 90
days before the beginning of the applicable reporting period. Such
report must contain an evaluation of the ward's condition and a
statement of the current level of capacity of the ward; and

3.  The plan for provision of medical, mental health, and
rehabilitative services in the coming year.

(c)  Information concerning the social condition of the ward,
including:

1.  The social and personal services currently utilized by the ward;

2.  The social skills of the ward, including a statement of how well
the ward maintains interpersonal relationships with others;

3.  A description of the ward's activities at communication and
visitation; and

4.  The social needs of the ward.

(2)  Each plan must address the issue of restoration of rights to the
ward and include:

(a)  A summary of activities during the preceding year which were
designed to increase the capacity of the ward;

(b)  A statement of whether the ward can have any rights restored;
and

(c)  A statement of whether restoration of any rights will be sought.

(3)  The court, in its discretion, may require reexamination of the
ward by a physician at any time.

History.--s. 51, ch. 89-96; s. 34, ch. 90-271; s. 11, ch. 96-354; s.
1786, ch. 97-102; s. 4, ch. 97-161.



  and a description of the Ward's attempts at communication and
visitation and a description of her social needs.

Fla. Stat. 744.3675(1)(c)(3).

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744.3675  Annual guardianship plan.--Each guardian of the person must
file with the court an annual guardianship plan which updates
information about the condition of the ward. The annual plan must
specify the current needs of the ward and how those needs are
proposed to be met in the coming year.

(1)  Each plan must, if applicable, include:

(a)  Information concerning the residence of the ward, including:

1.  The ward's address at the time of filing the plan;

2.  The name and address of each place where the ward was maintained
during the preceding year;

3.  The length of stay of the ward at each place;

4.  A statement of whether the current residential setting is best
suited for the current needs of the ward; and

5.  Plans for ensuring during the coming year that the ward is in the
best residential setting to meet his or her needs.

(b)  Information concerning the medical condition and needs of the
ward, including:

1.  A resume of any professional medical treatment given to the ward
during the preceding year;

2.  The report of a physician who examined the ward no more than 90
days before the beginning of the applicable reporting period. Such
report must contain an evaluation of the ward's condition and a
statement of the current level of capacity of the ward; and

3.  The plan for provision of medical, mental health, and
rehabilitative services in the coming year.

(c)  Information concerning the social condition of the ward,
including:

1.  The social and personal services currently utilized by the ward;

2.  The social skills of the ward, including a statement of how well
the ward maintains interpersonal relationships with others;

3.  A description of the ward's activities at communication and
visitation; and

4.  The social needs of the ward.

(2)  Each plan must address the issue of restoration of rights to the
ward and include:

(a)  A summary of activities during the preceding year which were
designed to increase the capacity of the ward;

(b)  A statement of whether the ward can have any rights restored;
and

(c)  A statement of whether restoration of any rights will be sought.

(3)  The court, in its discretion, may require reexamination of the
ward by a physician at any time.

History.--s. 51, ch. 89-96; s. 34, ch. 90-271; s. 11, ch. 96-354; s.
1786, ch. 97-102; s. 4, ch. 97-161.



No provision is made in the statute for elimination of rehabilitative
services or medical treatment or elimination of visitation.



"Courts are charged under the law with the duty and obligation of
caring for infants and incompetents upon the theory that they

  are wards of the court."  Turner v. Andrews, 143 Fla. 88, 89, 196
So. 449, 450 (1940)(annual reports allegedly missing or

  "irregular, illegal or not in conformity with the law").  The clerk
of court is responsible in the first instance to insure that every

  annual report contains information about the Ward's physical and
mental health care, personal and social services being

  rendered to her, the residential setting, and the mental and
physical examinations, in addition to a verified inventory and

  accounting.  Fla. Stat. 744.368.



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744.368  Responsibilities of the clerk of the circuit court.--

(1)  In addition to the duty to serve as the custodian of the
guardianship files, the clerk shall review each initial and annual
guardianship report to ensure that it contains information about the
ward addressing, as appropriate:

(a)  Physical and mental health care;

(b)  Personal and social services;

(c)  The residential setting;

(d)  The application of insurance, private benefits, and government
benefits;

(e)  The physical and mental health examinations; and

(f)  The initial verified inventory or the annual accounting.

(2)  The clerk shall, within 30 days after the date of filing of the
initial or annual report of the guardian of the person, complete his
or her review of the report.

(3)  Within 90 days after the filing of the initial or annual
guardianship report by a guardian of the property, the clerk shall
audit the verified inventory or the annual accounting. The clerk
shall advise the court of the results of the audit.

(4)  The clerk shall report to the court when a report is not timely
filed.

History.--s. 53, ch. 89-96; s. 36, ch. 90-271; s. 1089, ch. 97-102.



In addition, "[t]he clerk shall report to the court when a report is
not timely filed."

Fla. Stat. 744.368(4) (emphasis supplied).



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744.368  Responsibilities of the clerk of the circuit court.--

(1)  In addition to the duty to serve as the custodian of the
guardianship files, the clerk shall review each initial and annual
guardianship report to ensure that it contains information about the
ward addressing, as appropriate:

(a)  Physical and mental health care;

(b)  Personal and social services;

(c)  The residential setting;

(d)  The application of insurance, private benefits, and government
benefits;

(e)  The physical and mental health examinations; and

(f)  The initial verified inventory or the annual accounting.

(2)  The clerk shall, within 30 days after the date of filing of the
initial or annual report of the guardian of the person, complete his
or her review of the report.

(3)  Within 90 days after the filing of the initial or annual
guardianship report by a guardian of the property, the clerk shall
audit the verified inventory or the annual accounting. The clerk
shall advise the court of the results of the audit.

(4)  The clerk shall report to the court when a report is not timely
filed.

History.--s. 53, ch. 89-96; s. 36, ch. 90-271; s. 1089, ch. 97-102.



"When a guardian fails to file the guardianship report, the court
shall order the guardian to file the report within 15 days after

the service of the order upon her or him or show cause why she or he
should not be compelled to do so."

Fla. Stat. 744.3685 (emphasis supplied).



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744.3685  Order requiring guardianship report; contempt.--When a
guardian fails to file the guardianship report, the court shall order
the guardian to file the report within 15 days after the service of
the order upon her or him or show cause why she or he should not be
compelled to do so. A copy of the order shall be served on the
guardian or on the guardian's resident agent. If the guardian fails
to file her or his report within the time specified by the order
without good cause, the court may cite the guardian for contempt of
court and may fine her or him. The fine may not be paid out of the
ward's property.

History.--s. 1, ch. 74-106; ss. 17, 26, ch. 75-222; s. 70, ch. 89-96;
s. 37, ch. 90-271; s. 1090, ch. 97-102.

Note.--Created from former s. 745.29; former s. 744.431.



"If an initial or annual report is not timely filled, the court shall
order the

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guardian to file the report or to show cause why the report has not
been filed within the prescribed time."

Fla. Stat. 744.369  (emphasis supplied).



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744.369  Judicial review of guardianship reports.

(1)  The court shall review the initial guardianship report within 60
days after the filing of the clerk's report of findings to the court.
The court shall review the annual guardianship report within 30 days
after the filing of the clerk's report of findings to the court.

(2)  The court may appoint general or special masters to assist the
court in its review function. The court may require the general or
special master to conduct random field audits.

(3)  If an initial or annual report is not timely filed, the court
shall order the guardian to file the report or to show cause why the
report has not been filed within the prescribed time. Service of the
order and subsequent proceedings shall be governed by s. 744.3685.

(4)  The court must review the initial and annual guardianship report
to determine that the report:

(a)  Meets the needs of the ward;

(b)  Authorizes the guardian to act only in areas in which an adult
ward has been declared incapacitated; and

(c)  Conforms to all other requirements of the law.

(5)  Upon examining the initial or annual guardianship report, the
court shall enter an order approving or disapproving the report. If
the court disapproves the report, the court shall order the guardian
to provide a revised report or proof of any item in the report to the
court. The guardian shall do so within a reasonable amount of time
set by court.

(6)  If the guardian fails to comply with the court order entered
pursuant to subsection (5), the court shall take immediate action to
compel compliance or to sanction the guardian after a hearing with
appropriate notice to the ward, the ward's counsel, if any, the
guardian, and the ward's next of kin.

(7)  If an objection has been filed to a report, the court shall set
the matter for hearing and shall conduct the hearing within 30 days
after the filing of the objection. After the hearing, the court shall
enter a written order either approving, or ordering modifications to,
the report. If an objection is found to be without merit, the court
may assess costs and attorney's fees against the person who made the
objection.

(8)  The approved report constitutes the authority for the guardian
to act in the forthcoming year. The powers of the guardian are
limited by the terms of the report. The annual report may not grant
additional authority to the guardian without a hearing, as provided
for in s. 744.331, to determine that the ward is incapacitated to act
in that matter.

History.--s. 54, ch. 89-96; s. 38, ch. 90-271; s. 1, ch. 99-277.



"The approved report constitutes the authority for the guardian to
act in the forthcoming year.  The powers of the guardian

are limited by the terms of the report."  Fla. Stat. 744.369(8)
(emphasis supplied).



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744.369  Judicial review of guardianship reports.--

(1)  The court shall review the initial guardianship report within 60
days after the filing of the clerk's report of findings to the court.
The court shall review the annual guardianship report within 30 days
after the filing of the clerk's report of findings to the court.

(2)  The court may appoint general or special masters to assist the
court in its review function. The court may require the general or
special master to conduct random field audits.

(3)  If an initial or annual report is not timely filed, the court
shall order the guardian to file the report or to show cause why the
report has not been filed within the prescribed time. Service of the
order and subsequent proceedings shall be governed by s. 744.3685.

(4)  The court must review the initial and annual guardianship report
to determine that the report:

(a)  Meets the needs of the ward;

(b)  Authorizes the guardian to act only in areas in which an adult
ward has been declared incapacitated; and

(c)  Conforms to all other requirements of the law.

(5)  Upon examining the initial or annual guardianship report, the
court shall enter an order approving or disapproving the report. If
the court disapproves the report, the court shall order the guardian
to provide a revised report or proof of any item in the report to the
court. The guardian shall do so within a reasonable amount of time
set by court.

(6)  If the guardian fails to comply with the court order entered
pursuant to subsection (5), the court shall take immediate action to
compel compliance or to sanction the guardian after a hearing with
appropriate notice to the ward, the ward's counsel, if any, the
guardian, and the ward's next of kin.

(7)  If an objection has been filed to a report, the court shall set
the matter for hearing and shall conduct the hearing within 30 days
after the filing of the objection. After the hearing, the court shall
enter a written order either approving, or ordering modifications to,
the report. If an objection is found to be without merit, the court
may assess costs and attorney's fees against the person who made the
objection.

(8)  The approved report constitutes the authority for the guardian
to act in the forthcoming year. The powers of the guardian are
limited by the terms of the report. The annual report may not grant
additional authority to the guardian without a hearing, as provided
for in s. 744.331, to determine that the ward is incapacitated to act
in that matter.

History.--s. 54, ch. 89-96; s. 38, ch. 90-271; s. 1, ch. 99-277.



In the absence of a court-approved care plan, then, the guardian has
no authority to exercise dominion and control over the

ward not to act in her stead.



Despite the foregoing express statutory provisions requiring the
court to compel the filing of an annual report, apparantly no

show cause hearings have ever been conducted in this guardianship.
Instead, Respondent has requested an extension to the

filing deadline - usually late, itself - obtains the arter-the-fact
extension of an already-passed deadline, and then files a plan for

a period long passed or, in several instances, fails to file a plan
at all.  This pattern has been repeated year after year, such that

it is difficult to determine for what year the court has extended the
filing deadline, as the order has been entered in a year

subsequent to the reporting year.1/  While the court may have the
implied authority to find (CONTINUED AFTER STATUTE-SEE BELOW)

________________

1/Exhibit 4. attached and incorporated herein, is a summary of
Respondent's annual report filings, his petitions to extend the
filing deadline, and the various orders entered in connection
therewith.  Petitioners hereby request the court to take judicial
notice of the timing and contents of these documents in the court
file.  Fla. Stat. 90.202(6).

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90.202  Matters which may be judicially noticed.--A court may take
judicial notice of the following matters, to the extent that they are
not embraced within s. 90.201:

(1)  Special, local, and private acts and resolutions of the Congress
of the United States and of the Florida Legislature.

(2)  Decisional, constitutional, and public statutory law of every
other state, territory, and jurisdiction of the United States.

(3)  Contents of the Federal Register.

(4)  Laws of foreign nations and of an organization of nations.

(5)  Official actions of the legislative, executive, and judicial
departments of the United States and of any state, territory, or
jurisdiction of the United States.

(6)  Records of any court of this state or of any court of record of
the United States or of any state, territory, or jurisdiction of the
United States.

(7)  Rules of court of any court of this state or of any court of
record of the United States or of any other state, territory, or
jurisdiction of the United States.

(8)  Provisions of all municipal and county charters and charter
amendments of this state, provided they are available in printed
copies or as certified copies.

(9)  Rules promulgated by governmental agencies of this state which
are published in the Florida Administrative Code or in bound written
copies.

(10)  Duly enacted ordinances and resolutions of municipalities and
counties located in Florida, provided such ordinances and resolutions
are available in printed copies or as certified copies.

(11)  Facts that are not subject to dispute because they are
generally known within the territorial jurisdiction of the court.

(12)  Facts that are not subject to dispute because they are capable
of accurate and ready determination by resort to sources whose
accuracy cannot be questioned.

(13)  Official seals of governmental agencies and departments of the
United States and of any state, territory, or jurisdiction of the
United States.

History.--s. 1, ch. 76-237; s. 1, ch. 77-77; s. 1, ch. 77-174; ss. 3,
22, ch. 78-361; ss. 1, 2, ch. 78-379.





(CONTINUED FROM ABOVE)

"cause" in a show cause hearing (even had one been held), it is
beyond the coherent guardianship scheme mandated by the

Legislature to permit a ward as medicinally, therapeutically and
socially needy as this Ward to go year after year without

a lawful and proper care plan in advance, in accord with the
statutes.  How this situation has developed is not apparent,

especially in light of Petitioners' continual and growing concern
about the treatment their daughter has received.  Certainly

Respondent's failure to abide by his statutory obligations in an
orderly and timely fashion has caused the confusion in the first

instance, perhaps fueled by his twelve-year refusal to undergo the
mandatory guardianship training required of all private

guardians.



Respondent's actions in failing to file timely care plans have made a
mockery of the statutory plan for court approval on a

prospective basis.  By permitting Respondent to ignore his
obligations under the Code, the court has not applied the law to

Respondent, such that he now apparantly believes the law does not
apply to him.



Even were a court-approved care plan in place, however, Respondent
would have no authority to deny the Ward her rights

retained pursuant to Fla. Stat. 744.3215, (CONTINUED BELOW, AFTER
STATUTE)



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  744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.--



(1)  A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the
right:

(a)  To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

(b)  To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or
her rights.

(c)  To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.

(d)  To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be
protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

(e)  To have a qualified guardian.

(f)  To remain as independent as possible, including having his or
her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as
he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to
the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently
expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is
reasonable.

(g)  To be properly educated.

(h)  To receive prudent financial management for his or her property
and to be informed how his or her property is being managed, if he or
she has lost the right to manage property.

(i)  To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

(j)  To be free from discrimination because of his or her incapacity.

(k)  To have access to the courts.

(l)  To counsel.

(m)  To receive visitors and communicate with others.

(n)  To notice of all proceedings related to determination of
capacity and guardianship, unless the court finds the incapacitated
person lacks the ability to comprehend the notice.

(o)  To privacy.

(2)  Rights that may be removed from a person by an order determining
incapacity include the right:

(a)  To marry.

(b)  To vote.

(c)  To personally apply for government benefits.

(d)  To have a driver's license.

(e)  To travel.

(f)  To seek or retain employment.

(3)  Rights that may be removed from a person by an order determining
incapacity and which may be delegated to the guardian include the
right:

(a)  To contract.

(b)  To sue and defend lawsuits.

(c)  To apply for government benefits.

(d)  To manage property or to make any gift or disposition of
property.

(e)  To determine his or her residence.

(f)  To consent to medical and mental health treatment.

(g)  To make decisions about his or her social environment or other
social aspects of his or her life.

(4)  Without first obtaining specific authority from the court, as
described in s. 744.3725, a guardian may not:

(a)  Commit the ward to a facility, institution, or licensed service
provider without formal placement proceeding, pursuant to chapter
393, chapter 394, or chapter 397.

(b)  Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance on the ward of
any experimental biomedical or behavioral procedure or to the
participation by the ward in any biomedical or behavioral experiment.
The court may permit such performance or participation only if:

1.  It is of direct benefit to, and is intended to preserve the life
of or prevent serious impairment to the mental or physical health of
the ward; or

2.  It is intended to assist the ward to develop or regain his or her
abilities.

(c)  Initiate a petition for dissolution of marriage for the ward.

(d)  Consent on behalf of the ward to termination of the ward's
parental rights.

(e)  Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance of a
sterilization or abortion procedure on the ward.

History.--s. 34, ch. 89-96; s. 19, ch. 90-271; s. 36, ch. 93-39; s.
13, ch. 94-183; s. 44, ch. 96-169; s. 6, ch. 96-354; s. 1782, ch. 97-
102.



including the right "to receive necessary services and
rehabilitation" and "to receive visitors and communicate with
others."  The

Code limits any guardian's

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ability to act, with regard to rights retained even by a person
adjudged wholly incapacitated:  "In exercising his or her powers,

the guardian shall recognize any rights retained by the ward."  Fla.
Stat. 744.363(6) (emphasis supplied).


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744.363  Initial guardianship plan.--
(1)  The initial guardianship plan shall include the following:

(a)  The provision of medical, mental, or personal care services for
the welfare of the ward;

(b)  The provision of social and personal services for the welfare of
the ward;

(c)  The place and kind of residential setting best suited for the
needs of the ward;

(d)  The application of health and accident insurance and any other
private or governmental benefits to which the ward may be entitled to
meet any part of the costs of medical, mental health, or related
services provided to the ward; and

(e)  Any physical and mental examinations necessary to determine the
ward's medical and mental health treatment needs.

(2)  The initial guardianship plan for an incapacitated person must
be based on the recommendations of the examining committee's
examination, as incorporated into the order determining incapacity.

(3)  Unless the ward has been found to be totally incapacitated or is
a minor under the age of 14 years, the initial guardianship plan must
contain an attestation that the guardian has consulted with the ward
and, to the extent reasonable, has honored the ward's wishes
consistent with the rights retained by the ward under the plan. To
the maximum extent reasonable, the plan must be in accordance with
the wishes of the ward.

(4)  The guardianship plan may not restrict the physical liberty of
the ward more than reasonably necessary to protect the ward or others
from serious physical injury, illness, or disease and to provide the
ward with medical care and mental health treatment for the ward's
physical and mental health.

(5)  An initial guardianship plan continues in effect until it is
amended or replaced by the approval of an annual guardianship plan,
until the restoration of capacity or death of the ward, or until the
ward, if a minor, reaches the age of 18 years. If there are
significant changes in the capacity of the ward to meet the essential
requirements for his or her health or safety, the guardian may file a
petition to modify the guardianship plan and shall serve notice on
all persons who received notice of the plan. At the hearing on such
petition, the court may modify the guardianship plan and specify the
effective date of such amendment.

(6)  In exercising his or her powers, the guardian shall recognize
any rights retained by the ward.

History.--s. 47, ch. 89-96; s. 31, ch. 90-271; s. 1086, ch. 97-102.




Thus, Respondent has no authority to deny visitors to the Ward, as
receiving visitors is a retained right.  This type of social

  isolation is harmful to the Ward by any standard and is the reason
visitation is included in the list of retained rights enumerated

  in 744.3215.

Chapter 744  GUARDIANSHIP

   Part V:  ADJUDICATION OF INCAPACITY AND APPOINTMENT OF GUARDIANS

  744.3215  Rights of persons determined incapacitated.



744.3215  Rights of persons determined incapacitated.--

(1)  A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the
right:

(a)  To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

(b)  To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or
her rights.

(c)  To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.

(d)  To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be
protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

(e)  To have a qualified guardian.

(f)  To remain as independent as possible, including having his or
her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as
he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to
the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently
expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is
reasonable.

(g)  To be properly educated.

(h)  To receive prudent financial management for his or her property
and to be informed how his or her property is being managed, if he or
she has lost the right to manage property.

(i)  To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

(j)  To be free from discrimination because of his or her incapacity.

(k)  To have access to the courts.

(l)  To counsel.

(m)  To receive visitors and communicate with others.

(n)  To notice of all proceedings related to determination of
capacity and guardianship, unless the court finds the incapacitated
person lacks the ability to comprehend the notice.

(o)  To privacy.

(2)  Rights that may be removed from a person by an order determining
incapacity include the right:

(a)  To marry.

(b)  To vote.

(c)  To personally apply for government benefits.

(d)  To have a driver's license.

(e)  To travel.

(f)  To seek or retain employment.

(3)  Rights that may be removed from a person by an order determining
incapacity and which may be delegated to the guardian include the
right:

(a)  To contract.

(b)  To sue and defend lawsuits.

(c)  To apply for government benefits.

(d)  To manage property or to make any gift or disposition of
property.

(e)  To determine his or her residence.

(f)  To consent to medical and mental health treatment.

(g)  To make decisions about his or her social environment or other
social aspects of his or her life.

(4)  Without first obtaining specific authority from the court, as
described in s. 744.3725, a guardian may not:

(a)  Commit the ward to a facility, institution, or licensed service
provider without formal placement proceeding, pursuant to chapter
393, chapter 394, or chapter 397.

(b)  Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance on the ward of
any experimental biomedical or behavioral procedure or to the
participation by the ward in any biomedical or behavioral experiment.
The court may permit such performance or participation only if:

1.  It is of direct benefit to, and is intended to preserve the life
of or prevent serious impairment to the mental or physical health of
the ward; or

2.  It is intended to assist the ward to develop or regain his or her
abilities.

(c)  Initiate a petition for dissolution of marriage for the ward.

(d)  Consent on behalf of the ward to termination of the ward's
parental rights.

(e)  Consent on behalf of the ward to the performance of a
sterilization or abortion procedure on the ward.

History.--s. 34, ch. 89-96; s. 19, ch. 90-271; s. 36, ch. 93-39; s.
13, ch. 94-183; s. 44, ch. 96-169; s. 6, ch. 96-354; s. 1782, ch. 97-
102.

Social isolation of the Ward should not be tolerated by the Court.



Furthermore, in recent months, the Ward has vomited twice over
Valentine's Day weekend, 2001, developed a skin

breakdown as a precursor to a bedsore, and had two molars break off
at the gum line.  As to the last condition, the tooth loss

remained untreated the last time Petitioners were able to visit the
Ward on March 29, 2004.  Now, she apparently has had

five teeth extracted, an extraordinary occurrence given Respondent's
documented history of refusing to permit Ward's teeth to

be cleaned, as reflected in her medical records, starting in 1995.
The Court should note that the "discoloration" of the Ward's

teeth mentioned in Exhibit 3 was first raised before the Court in a
hearing in February, 2002, addressing the inadequancy of

the proposed care plan.  Respondent has no right to deny the
Ward "necessary services and rehabilitation" in connection with

  these and possibly other, unknown maladies.

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For these reasons, Petitioners respectfuly submit that the court
should issue a writ of quo warranto, conduct a show

cause hearing and determine whether Respondent has been acting in
excess of any authority he may possess by virtue of his

appointment as Guardian of the Person and to restore the Ward's right
of visitation.



Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have read the foregoing,
and the facts alleged are true, to the best of my knowledge and
belief, as provided in 744.104, Fla. Stat.




                                               (Robert Schindler's
signature is here)



______________________________


                                               Robert Schindler,
Petitioner



STATE OF FLORIDA

COUNTY OF PINELLAS

sworn to and subscribed before me this 26th day of April, 2004, by
ROBERT SCHINDLER who is personally known to me and who first took an
oath.


                                                (Patricia Anderson's
signature is here)



_______________________________


                                                PATRICIA F. ANDERSON,
NOTARY

My commission expires:

(STAMPED

"PATRICIA J. ANDERSON

NOTARY PUBLIC - STATE OF FLORIDA

My Commission Expires Dec. 12, 2007

Commission # DD274426

Bonded By National Notary Assn." )



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                                                  Respectfully
Submitted


                                                  (Patricia Anderson's
signature is here)



_______________________________


                                                  PATRICIA FIELDS
ANDERSON, ESQ.


                                                  Fla. Bar No. 352871;
SPN 00239201


                                                  PATRICIA FIELDS
ANDERSON, P.A.


                                                  447 Third Ave.
North, Suite 405


                                                  St. Petersburg, FL
33701


                                                  (727) 895-6505; Fax
(727) 898-4903


                                                  Attorneys for Robert
and Mary Schindler


CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I hereby certify that a copy of the foregoing has been furnished by
facsimilie and U.S. Postal Service Express Mail this 26th day of
April, 2004 to GEORGE J. FELOS, ESQ., Felos and Felos, 595 Main
Street, Dunedin, FL  34698, and to GYNETH STANLEY, ESQ., 1465 S. Ft.
Harrison Ave., #202, Clearwater, FL  33756


                                                  (Patricia Anderson's
signature is here)



________________________________


                                                    Patricia Fields
Anderson, Esq.



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