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RE: [sanantoniomassage] Massage Establishment Questions

1.       (2)  Yes – fitness centers qualifying as ME have wider hours of operation.

(3) No, but … trying to limit prostitution vis-à-vis professionally licensed business massage community is hopeless, misdirected and is discriminatory as it singles out Massage Therapists and their practice setting and is attempting to code cumbersome, expensive and unwieldy requirements; the professional ‘touch’ community is not isolated to Massage Therapy…chiropractic, physicians, dermatologists, [hair/beauty] salons, dentists, naturopaths, etc. – with a high incidence of practice settings identical to that of a Massage Therapist; consequently is the same question being posed to these practitioners?

 

As in my letter to the Senator who proposed the legislation, if the state is interested in dealing with prostitution, and particularly rooting out individuals who pose under massage to obtain business, they can begin with the multiple dozens of advertisements under the Massage Heading in the Yellow Pages who are not in compliance with the rules (24-hour outcalls with no registered establishment name, and/or individuals listed improperly or outside the code).  The Department doesn’t even avail themselves to this hefty “source of additional revenue” through fines; although the money is not used to support a Departmental needs – still it is a fundamental necessity to help ‘root out’ illegitimate posers – then, as far as solicitation under Massage, our Department would be doing us all a favor.  Second, they could require YP compilers to verify licensure (easily through the department website) before allowing advertising.  Third, local officers can Google Massage and compare to the department website for licensure and act.  This has been done in other states in health care and Law fields; it’s no problem for them; however the YP compliers won’t do it without a requirement. 

 

An aside; I’ve argued disallowing unlicensed MT/MEs advertise, quick internet check to verify, etc.  Their answer?  For a number of years a split Heading – Registered, Non-Registered!  The mighty dollar is pretty powerful.  This year, they decided to combine the headings (on-line) and in Print.  Same old problem.  It only took me 1 ½ hours to verify licensed and unlicensed in compiling a list.  Surely the Department and / or Enforcement Agencies can do the same, any old day.

 

The department has NO authority over unlicensed individuals posing/advertising as massage practitioners.  Enforcement agencies do.  In my community, San Antonio – the unlicensed, suspect ‘businesses’ advertising suspect services appear in advertising year, after year, after year.  It seems an arbitrary and discriminatory witch-hunt to attempt to impose further time, effort and money on an already under-funded MT Licensing and Regulatory unit, and a professional practice industry trying to be firmly and finally disassociated with prostitution, when actionable opportunities to address the problem remains.  Therefore, the industry need to offer insights and solutions and ask questions, as above, rather than continue pursuing legitimately licensed businesses; I for one strongly object.   

 

Further, if enforcement agencies want to do something about prostitution – why not partner with those MEs who are willing to come forward and tell what they know about various illicit operations, WITHOUT shooting the messenger?  Based on MT job interviews I’ve had over the years, I ask why are they leaving their former place of employment.  Bingo!  It boils down to enforcement taking advantage of opportunities available, not to hog-tying legitimate businesses with arbitrary business practices that will yield nothing.

 

It is not the obligation or duty of Licensed Massage Therapists or the Department to wipe out prostitution; and to infer that we are the problem is just as (legally) discriminatory as the notion of invading the privacy of worker to find out about ‘communicable skin diseases;’ plantar warts being one, a cold sore another; we treat patients with MRSA – refusing care is illegal! 

 

Best,

Jann

 

From: sanantoniomassage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sanantoniomassage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janine Ray
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:41 PM
To: sanantoniomassage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sanantoniomassage] Massage Establishment Questions

 

Dear Massage Therapy Community:
I have been talking with representatives and senators at the capital in regards to ME legislation, and I'd like to get your opinion on some of the topics below.  So far we (TAMT) has made headway in getting rid of the inclusion of language relating to sexually transmitted diseases.  We have clarified the documentation that is already necessary for ME compliance in the rules and regulations, as well as the fact that DSHS already does criminal background checks on LMTs, and the ME's have to submit lists of LMTs and employees info with updating changes as they happen.  Accross Texas there are city ordinances that restrict the hours of ME's (many have not been enforced), and the state is trying to deal with the prostitution that has moved into the unincorporated areas where there is no jurisdiction. Any group of 2 or more therapists practicing in a location where they share a common space needs to become licensed.  Spas, health clubs, retreat centers, etc. are supposed to comply (unless they are excluded).   Keeping in mind that there is a difference between an individual therapist or solo practitioner and a massage establishment, please take a minute to answer these questions:

  1. Do you know of any Massage Establishments that keep hours before 6 am and after 10 pm?
  2. If so, why are they open those hours? 
  3. If for legitimate reasons, should they be able to receive an exclusion from hours restrictions.
  4. Do you know of any massage establishments that have sleeping quarters and massage in the same room?
  5. The law currently states that peace officers may enter a massage establishment at any time during business hours with reasonable cause.  Do you personally know of any "establishment" that would have or has had a problem with that?
  6. Since the changes in HB2644 last session included the language "any service with a purported health benefit that involves touch for compensation", would you like to see clarification on that topic to include words like "bodywork" in the definition of massage therapy?

Thanks for answering!
Janine Ray, LMT, ME Owner, MTI and CE Provider
Legislative Chair
Texas Association of Massage Therapists

North Austin Massage Therapy
12741 Research Blvd. #506
Austin, TX 78759
(512) 331-5922



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Dear Robert: Thank you for responding to my questionnaire. I would call Yvonne Feinleib at the Department of State Health Services (512) 834-4521 . I was told...
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