Does anyone have any experience with a sunless tanning lotion that
does not aggrevate rosacea.   Most of the ones I have looked to
contain alcohol!!!!

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   o Rosacea Diet ©
   o Rosacea LTD III
   o Linda Sy's Skincare Products
   o Rosaceacare Skincare Products
   o Purple Emu
   o Sulpher Soap
   o Jojoba Oil
   o Flaxseed Oil
   o Grapeseed Extract
   o Sher System Products
   o Featherstone Skincare products
   o Rosacure
   o Florasone
   o Eucerin
   o ELICINA¨ CREAM
   o Dermalogica
   o Clear'em topical lotion
   o BLEND Solution
   o Andrzej Wedrychowski's Formula
   o Acne-Rosacea.co.uk Products
   o Abby's Herb Company
   o Natural Connection Herbal Treatment
   o Joie de Vie Institute of Aesthetic Medicine
   o Natures's Gift Rosacea Synergy
   o Rosacea Resolved cream

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   o AcneEase
   o AcnoMel
   o Acne Cellular Revitalization Clinic
   o Apresia products
   o Ask Tori Hudson, N.D.
   o AvŽne
   o Booster Blue Rosacea Treatment
   o Biomedica
   o BodyFix Natural Health Products - Acne Rosacea
   o Cetaphil
   o Colloidal Silver
   o ComplexionRx
   o ComplexionRx
   o Culturelle
   o Cutanix
   o Dermadoctor skin products for rosacea
   o Dermal K
   o Derma Q-Gel® Skin Care Cream
   o Estée Lauder
   o Emu Oil
   o GERnŽtic
   o Gold Bond
   o Niacinamide
   o Ombrelle
   o Pel Basics

What non-prescription treatments do you use to
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   o Pevonia RS2 for Rosacea
   o Reduce the Redª Skin Care System
   o Rosacea Cream
   o RosaceaGon
   o Sacha Cosmetics
   o Sage Skin Care
   o SkinFix ¨
   o SpectroJel®
   o The Skin Site
   o Vanicream
   o VitaKsolution
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   o yourskincare.com
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   o Metrogel ¨ (metronidazole)
   o MetroCream ¨ (metronidazole)
   o MetroLotion ¨ (metronidazole)
   o metronidazole
   o minocyline
   o minoxidil
   o Moxonidine
   o Monodox
   o nadolol
   o Naproxen
   o Neurontin
   o Noritate
   o Nicomide
   o Nicosyn
   o Nitric Oxide
   o Nizoral
   o Novacet
   o Ortho Tricyclin
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   o Rosasol
   o ROZEX [metronidazole]
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You can buy Metrocream in Tijuana, Mexico for $8 - $10
per tube.  Tijuana is a 3 hour drive south of L.A. on
Highway 5.  I didn't need a prescription, but I had to
visit several pharmacies to find a few tubes.  Many
pharmacies carried Metrogel but only a few carried
Metrocream which is better for dry skin. I have also
heard you can buy medicines cheaply over Internetrnet
from distributors in Canada, especially if you already
have a doctor's prescription.

  I had gone to Tijuana for facial claseric lazer
treatment.  It costs around %50 of what it costs in
San Francisco and the doctors are more skilled because
it's their specialty.  I was happy with the service,
however follow-up treatments will be a nuisance
because I don't live near there.

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I think if you live in the states(I dont) you REALLY need to shop around any time you have a prescription. Although this particular one is mentioned spefically, there is a chart here that shows the wholesale cost of some common drugs And what some pharmacies are charging for it - its shocking! some are almost $100 for a $4 drug. There is a link at the top to the article in the news about it.

http://www.detnow.com/news/020925-drugchart.html

For comparison on your $80, here in canada it was about $22 CDN before dispensing fee.($14 USD)

-Kat

Go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2699149.stm

Lonne

--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Patterson" <inverurie@i...>
wrote:
> Anyone seen on the news ( just saw it in Australia ) in the UK a
new laser for acne, alot of doctors are amazed with it.  Not sure if
its applicable to acne rosacea or not.....

PLease tell me how to get it that cheap! Please?

--- jory <mumpfish@...> wrote:
> I got Metronidazole .75% Metrocream for $80 from the
> pharmacy in California.  Later I got the same thing
> for $9 in Tijuana.  Has anyone who has been on this
> medication for a while found it helpful?  My doctor
> said it would be two months before I'd notice an
> improvement in my facial redness.
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I got Metronidazole .75% Metrocream for $80 from the
pharmacy in California.  Later I got the same thing
for $9 in Tijuana.  Has anyone who has been on this
medication for a while found it helpful?  My doctor
said it would be two months before I'd notice an
improvement in my facial redness.

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I ordered proactive and tried it once.  It has a
grainy
texture like a scrub or exfoliator.  The first
application made my face burn.  I returned it as I
could tell my skin was not going to react well to it.



--- "yankees92808 <yankees92808@...>"
<yankees92808@...> wrote:
> anybody ever tried pro-activ?
>
>


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I understand what you're saying :) I just meant it seemed odd how someone
could pay for the study even if they turned out to be 17 or 81 or somewhere
not in your age requirements, or perhaps had brown patches on the skin
rather than redness etc.   If however the point of the study is more to
provide people familiar with photo-rejuvenation a chance to improve the
quality of their lives rather than strict research gathering than what you
say makes perfect sense.  I do understand what you mean and I certainly
didn't mean to imply that you or anyone associated with your study is
attempting to do anything wrong.  I guess I just try to take everything with
a healthy dose of skepticism :)  I will say though, its refreshing to see
someone trying to take a new approach in dealing with a disease that has not
received as much attention as many feel it deserves.

As for Paypal though I have to say you are way off (I was too until the
first time I had a problem with them.)  I paid someone through Paypal for
something I had purchased on E-bay for $1580.  I immediately found out after
making payment that he had lied about his name and address.  I tried to
cancel the transaction and they refused to let me.  After a while I never
received the merchandise so I filed a buyer complaint through paypal (since
they claimed to offer fraud protection)  they then asked the guy to provide
a tracking number to prove the merchandise had been received.  After that he
went to the post office and mailed me an empty box insured for $1580 with a
few crumpled up newspapers at the bottom, and gave the tracking number to
Paypal.

They came back to me and said "he provided us with a tracking number"  So I
replied back to them with an E-mail he sent me laughing about he had stolen
my money and never sent out what I paid for and never would.  I provided
them with four eye witnesses who work for the post office who I opened the
package with, a mailing receipt showing the package only weighed a few
ounces, and three police reports filed by two separate police agencies
issuing two warrants for his arrest in this matter, and they resolved the
matter in favor of the seller, saying he provided a tracking number for the
empty box and thats all they cared about.  They said it is their policy not
to get involved in disputes between the buyer and seller.  I told them they
claimed to offer fraud protection and they said "tough luck, if you have a
problem with the way we do business, take us to court!"  They also said "He
could have sent you a package full of rocks for all we care, he sent you a
box and thats good enough for us."  They don't actually offer the fraud
protection they claim.  They dont even offer the fraud protection they are
legally required to provide as a service that accepts credit cards and
transfers money, which is why they are under investigation for illegal
business practices in three states.  That is also why they have over 100,000
unresolved complaints from Paypal customers in the last 3 years alone :)
Lol anyway sorry for the long message, but any excuse to get the word out
about Paypal.

(Their lack of fraud protection works two ways by the way, all a buyer has
to do is call paypal and pretend they don't know what a charge is for and
paypal will take the $$ back from the seller even though the seller has
already sent out the merchandise)

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathancobb01 <jonathancobb@...>
[mailto:jonathancobb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:16 PM
To: rosaceans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rosaceans] Re: remove me from your database! thank you.


FYI There are buyer protection policies in place at paypal.  Just the
other day I found a charge on my paypal account that I didn't think
thatI had authorized.  I stopped payment on it through their
website.  Turned out it was to a name that I didn't recognize but
indeed it was a payment that I had intended to make.  So I then
turned around and let them know that the payment was okay then to go
through.  Getting it okayed after I had complained about it was
harder than stopping the payment on it.
The study is intended for people who already have an idea about what
photo-rejuvenation is.  Hopefully no one would sign up and pay a $250
deposit for a machine that they didn't think could help them.
Therefore we accept those interested in the study and those willing
to put a deposit down for the equipment necessary to complete the
survey.  The survey covers a variety of different questions geared
towards different skin conditions.  If indeed someone signs up with
head lice or something silly like that we would be more than happy to
refund any money they deposited because we are not interested in
doing a study on head lice and photo-rejuvenation.  Just a joke, but
you get the point.  Hope this clears things up a bit.

Jonathan
--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Adam" <filter@r...> wrote:
> I can see where they are coming from though.  That machine is
expensive,
> they can't just send one out to everyone who signs up for the
study.  People
> could take the machine and not complete the study and then they are
out alot
> of money each time that happens.
>
> My concern would be the following:  If you visit their website, you
answer a
> couple of questions, and before even being admitted into the study
they
> ALREADY ask you to pay them $250 through Paypal before you can
proceed.
> What happens if you pay the $250 and then find out you are not
eligible for
> the study?  (Perhaps you aren't the right age, or don't have the
right
> symptoms?)  They can't just refund your money, because Paypal would
take out
> 3% both to send to them and 3% of the remainder to send it back.
To me it
> sounded sort of fishy that they were asking people for $250 before
accepting
> them into the study.  $250 would be worth it to me if it meant a
chance to
> get rid of this problem, but again, it seems sort of suspicious the
way its
> set up in my opinion.  And I also know Paypal is routinely used by
people to
> scam others because Paypal offers absolutely no fraud protection on
any
> transactions whatsoever, and you have no recourse to pursue them
legally
> unless you happen to live close enough to take them to small
claims.  So I'm
> not quite sure what to do at this point either.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Lina Torres [mailto:l1t22@y...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:55 PM
>   To: rosaceans@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [rosaceans] remove me from your database! thank you.
>
>
>
>
>    "jonathancobb01 <jonathancobb@a...>"
> <jonathancobb@a...> wrote:
>
>     The $250.00 is a deposit on the equipment that to date sells for
>     anywhere from $5000 to $7500 on the market new today.  This is
an
>     honest deposit to make sure you fill out all the surveys.  Once
the
>     surveys have all been filled out and two photos have been sent,
the
>     deposit is refunded and you will need to send the machine back.
This
>     is reasonable considering the price of treatments by lesser
machines
>     in salons and day spas across the country.  Similiar equipment
is
>     being used at salons and day spas across the country but we
hope to
>     compile some proven results and information about exactly what
this
>     treatment will and will not work on.
>
>     --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Tobey <ptobey@a...>"
>     <ptobey@a...> wrote:
>     > They want $250 for the machine, according to the form you
fill out
>     to
>     > sign up.! It doesn't look like it is free at all. I'd rather
not pay
>     to
>     > get into a study. Especially since you sign away all your
rights. So
>     > you have no rights if it harms you AND you pay them!
>     >
>     > Pam in D.C.
>
>
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FYI There are buyer protection policies in place at paypal.  Just the
other day I found a charge on my paypal account that I didn't think
thatI had authorized.  I stopped payment on it through their
website.  Turned out it was to a name that I didn't recognize but
indeed it was a payment that I had intended to make.  So I then
turned around and let them know that the payment was okay then to go
through.  Getting it okayed after I had complained about it was
harder than stopping the payment on it.
The study is intended for people who already have an idea about what
photo-rejuvenation is.  Hopefully no one would sign up and pay a $250
deposit for a machine that they didn't think could help them.
Therefore we accept those interested in the study and those willing
to put a deposit down for the equipment necessary to complete the
survey.  The survey covers a variety of different questions geared
towards different skin conditions.  If indeed someone signs up with
head lice or something silly like that we would be more than happy to
refund any money they deposited because we are not interested in
doing a study on head lice and photo-rejuvenation.  Just a joke, but
you get the point.  Hope this clears things up a bit.

Jonathan
--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Adam" <filter@r...> wrote:
> I can see where they are coming from though.  That machine is
expensive,
> they can't just send one out to everyone who signs up for the
study.  People
> could take the machine and not complete the study and then they are
out alot
> of money each time that happens.
>
> My concern would be the following:  If you visit their website, you
answer a
> couple of questions, and before even being admitted into the study
they
> ALREADY ask you to pay them $250 through Paypal before you can
proceed.
> What happens if you pay the $250 and then find out you are not
eligible for
> the study?  (Perhaps you aren't the right age, or don't have the
right
> symptoms?)  They can't just refund your money, because Paypal would
take out
> 3% both to send to them and 3% of the remainder to send it back.
To me it
> sounded sort of fishy that they were asking people for $250 before
accepting
> them into the study.  $250 would be worth it to me if it meant a
chance to
> get rid of this problem, but again, it seems sort of suspicious the
way its
> set up in my opinion.  And I also know Paypal is routinely used by
people to
> scam others because Paypal offers absolutely no fraud protection on
any
> transactions whatsoever, and you have no recourse to pursue them
legally
> unless you happen to live close enough to take them to small
claims.  So I'm
> not quite sure what to do at this point either.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Lina Torres [mailto:l1t22@y...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:55 PM
>   To: rosaceans@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [rosaceans] remove me from your database! thank you.
>
>
>
>
>    "jonathancobb01 <jonathancobb@a...>"
> <jonathancobb@a...> wrote:
>
>     The $250.00 is a deposit on the equipment that to date sells for
>     anywhere from $5000 to $7500 on the market new today.  This is
an
>     honest deposit to make sure you fill out all the surveys.  Once
the
>     surveys have all been filled out and two photos have been sent,
the
>     deposit is refunded and you will need to send the machine back.
This
>     is reasonable considering the price of treatments by lesser
machines
>     in salons and day spas across the country.  Similiar equipment
is
>     being used at salons and day spas across the country but we
hope to
>     compile some proven results and information about exactly what
this
>     treatment will and will not work on.
>
>     --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Tobey <ptobey@a...>"
>     <ptobey@a...> wrote:
>     > They want $250 for the machine, according to the form you
fill out
>     to
>     > sign up.! It doesn't look like it is free at all. I'd rather
not pay
>     to
>     > get into a study. Especially since you sign away all your
rights. So
>     > you have no rights if it harms you AND you pay them!
>     >
>     > Pam in D.C.
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lina Torres [mailto:l1t22@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:55 PM
To: rosaceans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rosaceans] remove me from your database! thank you.

 "jonathancobb01 <jonathancobb@...>" <jonathancobb@...> wrote:

The $250.00 is a deposit on the equipment that to date sells for
anywhere from $5000 to $7500 on the market new today.  This is an
honest deposit to make sure you fill out all the surveys.  Once the
surveys have all been filled out and two photos have been sent, the
deposit is refunded and you will need to send the machine back. This
is reasonable considering the price of treatments by lesser machines
in salons and day spas across the country.  Similiar equipment is
being used at salons and day spas across the country but we hope to
compile some proven results and information about exactly what this
treatment will and will not work on.

--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Tobey <ptobey@a...>"
<ptobey@a...> wrote:
> They want $250 for the machine, according to the form you fill out
to
> sign up.! It doesn't look like it is free at all. I'd rather not pay
to
> get into a study. Especially since you sign away all your rights. So
> you have no rights if it harms you AND you pay them!
>
> Pam in D.C.



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 "jonathancobb01 <jonathancobb@...>" <jonathancobb@...> wrote:

The $250.00 is a deposit on the equipment that to date sells for
anywhere from $5000 to $7500 on the market new today.  This is an
honest deposit to make sure you fill out all the surveys.  Once the
surveys have all been filled out and two photos have been sent, the
deposit is refunded and you will need to send the machine back. This
is reasonable considering the price of treatments by lesser machines
in salons and day spas across the country.  Similiar equipment is
being used at salons and day spas across the country but we hope to
compile some proven results and information about exactly what this
treatment will and will not work on.

--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Tobey <ptobey@a...>"
<ptobey@a...> wrote:
> They want $250 for the machine, according to the form you fill out
to
> sign up. It doesn't look like it is free at all. I'd rather not pay
to
> get into a study. Especially since you sign away all your rights. So
> you have no rights if it harms you AND you pay them!
>
> Pam in D.C.



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This smells like a scam to me.  There is no LED that I know of except for the
new UV LEDs that can have any effect on the skin whatsoever - and you can
duplicate that with a sunlamp.  Be very careful!





--- "khm4aim <khm4aim@...>" <khm4aim@...> wrote:
> I will be interested in hearing how this works -
>
> But look at the web site with a little skepticism.  The name and
> address of the company is not listed.  The reference articles are NOT
> by researchers employeed by this company.  They are general articles
> about the IPL process.
>
> There is no description of the research that lead to this
> development, no medical supervision listed, etc etc.
>
> I don't know of any legit product or medical study done this way.
>
> All of them (and we do lots in SD) would have you come in to enroll,
> be checked by a Derm first, and have you come back for follow on eval.
>
> I can't belive it is legit when they expect you to do your own
> digital before and after photos.
>
> This is Just NOT Right.
>
> KH
>
>
> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "jonathancobb01
> <jonathancobb@a...>" <jonathancobb@a...> wrote:
> > The $250.00 is a deposit on the equipment that to date sells for
> > anywhere from $5000 to $7500 on the market new today.  This is an
> > honest deposit to make sure you fill out all the surveys.  Once the
> > surveys have all been filled out and two photos have been sent, the
> > deposit is refunded and you will need to send the machine back.
> This
> > is reasonable considering the price of treatments by lesser
> machines
> > in salons and day spas across the country.  Similiar equipment is
> > being used at salons and day spas across the country but we hope to
> > compile some proven results and information about exactly what this
> > treatment will and will not work on.
> >
> > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Tobey <ptobey@a...>"
> > <ptobey@a...> wrote:
> > > They want $250 for the machine, according to the form you fill
> out
> > to
> > > sign up. It doesn't look like it is free at all. I'd rather not
> pay
> > to
> > > get into a study. Especially since you sign away all your rights.
> So
> > > you have no rights if it harms you AND you pay them!
> > >
> > > Pam in D.C.
>
>


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I will be interested in hearing how this works -

But look at the web site with a little skepticism.  The name and
address of the company is not listed.  The reference articles are NOT
by researchers employeed by this company.  They are general articles
about the IPL process.

There is no description of the research that lead to this
development, no medical supervision listed, etc etc.

I don't know of any legit product or medical study done this way.

All of them (and we do lots in SD) would have you come in to enroll,
be checked by a Derm first, and have you come back for follow on eval.

I can't belive it is legit when they expect you to do your own
digital before and after photos.

This is Just NOT Right.

KH


--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "jonathancobb01
<jonathancobb@a...>" <jonathancobb@a...> wrote:
> The $250.00 is a deposit on the equipment that to date sells for
> anywhere from $5000 to $7500 on the market new today.  This is an
> honest deposit to make sure you fill out all the surveys.  Once the
> surveys have all been filled out and two photos have been sent, the
> deposit is refunded and you will need to send the machine back.
This
> is reasonable considering the price of treatments by lesser
machines
> in salons and day spas across the country.  Similiar equipment is
> being used at salons and day spas across the country but we hope to
> compile some proven results and information about exactly what this
> treatment will and will not work on.
>
> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Tobey <ptobey@a...>"
> <ptobey@a...> wrote:
> > They want $250 for the machine, according to the form you fill
out
> to
> > sign up. It doesn't look like it is free at all. I'd rather not
pay
> to
> > get into a study. Especially since you sign away all your rights.
So
> > you have no rights if it harms you AND you pay them!
> >
> > Pam in D.C.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't find that information readily in
the form. It makes the $250 more sensible now. It's high enough that
it would make you want to return the machine and get the money back,
but not out of orbit high cost. If you are taking part in the study,
be sure to post your results.
Thanks,
Pam in D.C.
:-)

The $250.00 is a deposit on the equipment that to date sells for
anywhere from $5000 to $7500 on the market new today.  This is an
honest deposit to make sure you fill out all the surveys.  Once the
surveys have all been filled out and two photos have been sent, the
deposit is refunded and you will need to send the machine back. This
is reasonable considering the price of treatments by lesser machines
in salons and day spas across the country.  Similiar equipment is
being used at salons and day spas across the country but we hope to
compile some proven results and information about exactly what this
treatment will and will not work on.

--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Tobey <ptobey@a...>"
<ptobey@a...> wrote:
> They want $250 for the machine, according to the form you fill out
to
> sign up. It doesn't look like it is free at all. I'd rather not pay
to
> get into a study. Especially since you sign away all your rights. So
> you have no rights if it harms you AND you pay them!
>
> Pam in D.C.

They want $250 for the machine, according to the form you fill out to
sign up. It doesn't look like it is free at all. I'd rather not pay to
get into a study. Especially since you sign away all your rights. So
you have no rights if it harms you AND you pay them!

Pam in D.C.

IS THIS COMPANY ON THE UP & UP?  I'VE JUST BEGUN MY
PHOTO REJUVENATION SESSION (ONLY 1 SO FAR) AND I'M
IMPRESSED.  I'M NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THIS EQUIPMENT.  ANY
FURTHER INFO ON IT AND/OR THE COMPANY?
--- "jonathancobb01 <jonathancobb@...>"
<jonathancobb@...> wrote:
> There is a photo-rejuvenation trial study underway
> by Quantum
> Skincare.  Read the press release at
> http://www.usanews.net/_archive2002/0000042f.htm or
> visit
> http://www.quantumskincare.com to find out how you
> can get a free
> photo-rejuvenation machine.
>
>


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http://www.quantumskincare.com to find out how you can get a free
photo-rejuvenation machine.

Allow me to clarify: There are 3 versions of Dalacin
T/Cleocin T available. 1. An alcohol based SOLUTION
which isn't recommended for Rosacea sufferers. 2. A
non-alcohol based LOTION which my derm prescribed to
me. It is very soothing and non-irritating. 3. A
non-alcohol based GEL which is also non-irritating.
I have personally use the LOTION & GEL versions.
Unfortunately, neither are still available from
overseas pharmacies. New Zealand, for example, has
changed their prescription standards for Dalacin T and
it is no longer available.
I suggest buying a 60ml tube of the generic GEL from
Drugstore.com as it is very inexpensive. (The generic
LOTION is still quite expensive). I hope this
information has been helpful. Here is the
link:http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/prices/drugprice.asp?ndc=59762374302&trx=\
1Z5006

-Jordan


-- "Lonne <martinec_lon@...>"
<martinec_lon@...> wrote:
> Visit
>
http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Consumers/cmi/d/DalacinTSoln.htm
>
> One of the ingredients is isopropyl alcohol --
> something a rosacean
> should definitely not use.
>
> It is an acne medication, not specified for rosacea.
>
> Lonne
>
> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, slsampson1@j...
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just received my Dalacin T I ordered from the
> internet and was
> wondering if this helps with the redness associated
> with Rosacea or
> only the acne outbreaks?  I do have quite a bit of
> redness and
> noticed the smell of the Dalacin T has a very strong
> alcohol odor.
> >
> > Thanks
> > SL Sampson
>
>


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One of the ingredients is isopropyl alcohol -- something a rosacean
should definitely not use.

It is an acne medication, not specified for rosacea.

Lonne

--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, slsampson1@j... wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just received my Dalacin T I ordered from the internet and was
wondering if this helps with the redness associated with Rosacea or
only the acne outbreaks?  I do have quite a bit of redness and
noticed the smell of the Dalacin T has a very strong alcohol odor.
>
> Thanks
> SL Sampson

Hi,

I just received my Dalacin T I ordered from the internet and was wondering if
this helps with the redness associated with Rosacea or only the acne outbreaks? 
I do have quite a bit of redness and noticed the smell of the Dalacin T has a
very strong alcohol odor.

Thanks
SL Sampson

I posted this message on the rosacea-diet group the other day and I
would like your feedback.  I know you are not doctors and cannot
diagnose me.  My dermatologists calls my symptoms Rosacea, but I'm
not so sure.  Your feedback appreciated!

Hello,

I'm new to the group and I have 100 questions. My first one is
this. Do I have Rosacea? For the past year or so, I've had
persistent pimples/boils on my nose that sometimes get very large and
nasty. I get periodic small pimples elsewhere on my face, but
nothing like what happens on my nose. My doctor treated this with
antibiotic (Cephalexin) which suppressed it, but every time I went
off, they came back.

I requested a referral to a dermatologist who tried Tetracycline and
Erythromycin, neither of which worked at all. He then put me on
Septra DS, which has been most effective, but they still come back
after a few weeks off the antibiotic.

I don't have any of the classic Rosacea symptoms I read about, like
flushing, widespread redness, etc. I don't think I've ever blushed
in my life. It's only these nasty nose breakouts, usually just one
at a time, but quite large. I'm of a somewhat dark complexion and my
skin can get very oily at times. The pimples/boils have left behind
redness and visible vessels, which my dermatologist says I may live
with for life.

So, my first question, understanding that you are not doctors, is
this. Does this sound like Rosacea to you?  Are there others here
with similar symptoms?

Thanks

Tom

----- Original Message -----

From: Donna Mosley

To: rosaceans@yahoogroups.com

Cc: mosley022002@...

Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:49 PM

Subject: [rosaceans] Help

I have had rosace for about 5 years and I had used Noritate untill 3months ago,it seemed not to be working. Tried Culivate Cream is not working. I will go back to my determogilist soon. But please make suggestions to what you have found out that is best. Also what kind of suncreen. I  am a outside person all year. I am 52,female, and very active. Any input would be very helpful. I thought maybe it would just go away but now I have eruptions on nose that get cleared and next under my eye. That clear and  it seems like it never gets clear.  Thank you very much Diane mosley.

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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
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What Prescription Medications do you use to treat
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