Hello:



New to group. I have been using the z cream for 3 nights-light

application-woke up this morning with flaming red face. Has anyone

else had this reaction? Is this part of the process? Would

appreciate any help.



Thanks,

Julie

Hi Julie,

I have been using the z cream since the end of December and I have found that it

has caused some irritation at different times during the treatment process.

Stupid me once put some Ponds Cold cream on as a moisturizer forgetting that I

was wearing the z cream and I had the biggest flareup of my life which made me

burst into tears! It hurt so bad!

But I didn't let it discourage me although I was really tempted to stop using

the stuff. I think now though that it was just a reaction to it. It took a while

for my face to heal and it is now only just really looking a lot better. I am

almost finished using the z cream but I think I'll keep using it for a while

longer just to make sure all the mites are dead! (EW!)

Anyway, I do find that sometimes when I wake up my face is pretty pink but I'm

not sure if it's from the cream. Maybe you're putting too much on, I don't know.

I haven't woken up with a pink face in a while though.

Hope this helps you a bit!

Good luck,

Marie

P.S. Maybe you could email the administrator at www.thejamushop.com and ask him.

He is really helpful!





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Julie,

I did not have this reaction with the Z cream but when

I applied the X cream my face did exactly what you

described.  I stopped using the X cream and used the

Z cream twice a day.

You could be having an allergic reaction to the Z cream

and should stop using it.

However, one of the FAQs on the demodexsolutions.com

website asks:



"Can there be setbacks?"



Answer:



"Yes, it is possible to have setbacks even after several days of treatment. When

the mites

die, they decompose inside the skin and cause infection there. Different people

have

different levels of reaction to the infection. This is the most difficult period

for acne and

rosacea suffers, because they sometimes think that the treatment is not working,

but on

the contrary, it means that the cream is working well and the mites are being

killed. It is

very important in this stage not to become discouraged and to continue the

treatment

without interruption. This period will last not long. Know that you skin will

clear up and

get better soon."



You will have to decide what reactions you are having to determine what to do. 

Maybe

others in the group who are using the Z cream may have some comments about this

as

well.



BB

group owner





--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Julie" <juliesjazz01@y...> wrote:

>

>

> Hello:

>

> New to group. I have been using the z cream for 3 nights-light

> application-woke up this morning with flaming red face. Has anyone

> else had this reaction? Is this part of the process? Would

> appreciate any help.

>

> Thanks,

> Julie

Hi Marie:



After reading your response I realized that I did put a small amout of

moisturizer on after the cream dried. I also use the soap. I am going to let my

face calm down for a few days and then just use one product at a time for a week

to see what I am reacting to. I have reactions to a lot of soaps. Thanks for

your response.



Julie







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Julie-



Did you continue with the Z cream?  I've been using it for about 4

days, with the X cream in the morning.  My skin burns when I apply

the Z cream because of the mint in it (for some reason my skin is

really sensitive to anything with mint).  I broke out in red bumps

after using it for one day.  I'm not sure if I should keep on using

it and I was wondering if you were able to tolerate it after a week

or so.



I've also tried applying some Emu oil to my face in the morning with

the X cream since my whole face is cracked and peeling.



Thanks-

Ellen



--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Julie <juliesjazz01@y...> wrote:

>

> Hi Marie:

>

> After reading your response I realized that I did put a small

amout of moisturizer on after the cream dried. I also use the soap.

I am going to let my face calm down for a few days and then just use

one product at a time for a week to see what I am reacting to. I

have reactions to a lot of soaps. Thanks for your response.

>

> Julie

>

>

>

> Marie Bourgeois <bourgeoismarie@y...> wrote:

>

>

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Ellen



I am into my 3rd week of the z cream, I only use the z cream and the soap.

Allergic to metro lotion so didn't even order the x cream. I am having a problem

with my chin this week, itchy bumps-not rosacea- dab on z cream and they go away

in a few hours. I wash my face with the soap and air dry-don't tolerate towels

and washcloths too well-wait until skin is completely dry and apply very

lightly. In the morning rinse with water. The flaking has stopped but dry.  My

red has faded to a pale pink and skin is very clear and healthy looking, hope

this lasts. I am able to tolerate it more, this weekend I used it during the day

since I was home and everything seems fine.  It does seem to have a menthol

action but is also soothing. Have you read the posts at demodex? I found useful

info there. With our sensitive skin maybe it is better to use just one product

at time and see how it goes.



Hope this helps.

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Ellen,

     i have not used anything with mint in it for a few years....i read that it

can aggravate perioral dermatitis....which is also what i had around my chin and

mouth. It is a cousin to rosacea.

Emily

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   From: Ellen_Hawes9

   To: rosaceans@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:50 AM

   Subject: [rosaceans] Re: Z Cream









   Julie-



   Did you continue with the Z cream?  I've been using it for about 4

   days, with the X cream in the morning.  My skin burns when I apply

   the Z cream because of the mint in it (for some reason my skin is

   really sensitive to anything with mint).  I broke out in red bumps

   after using it for one day.  I'm not sure if I should keep on using

   it and I was wondering if you were able to tolerate it after a week

   or so.



   I've also tried applying some Emu oil to my face in the morning with

   the X cream since my whole face is cracked and peeling.



   Thanks-

   Ellen



   --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Julie <juliesjazz01@y...> wrote:

   >

   > Hi Marie:

   >

   > After reading your response I realized that I did put a small

   amout of moisturizer on after the cream dried. I also use the soap.

   I am going to let my face calm down for a few days and then just use

   one product at a time for a week to see what I am reacting to. I

   have reactions to a lot of soaps. Thanks for your response.

   >

   > Julie

   >

   >

   >

   > Marie Bourgeois <bourgeoismarie@y...> wrote:

   >

Just wanted to report that i have been using the Z cream for my

rhinopyma for one month now (due to take a picture) I have seen really

slow progress. But i no longer use Metrogel, which i now figure wasn't

doing anything for me. I'm just using it on my nose at night and love

the cooling sensation i get when i first put it on. It has NOT dried

out my skin like others complain about, it anything it has had a

moisturizing effect.

No bumps on my nose anymore and the redness has diminished. I am hoping

i continue to see progress cause it is a real drag to have a big red

nose, especially when your profession is dealing with the public all

day long.

I want to thank Brady Barrows and Walter at Demodex Solutions for

encouraging me to give it a try. Even though i was scared to death it

would worsen my condition, it has not and i am so glad i gave it a try.

I try not to miss a night but when i do the redness increases.

Noreen

Hi Noreen and Everyone,



Noreen I am so happy it's working for you too.





I started using the Z cream a bit over 2 weeks ago and I have been

really happy with the results.  I followed the regiment that Brady has

posted on his site.



My history - diagnosed with perioral dermitis 15 years ago, used

cortisone and antibiotics to try and reduce it, the derm blamed it on

the stress of school (which had just finished).  (I had moved in with

my parents after college to a house of 5 dogs and 3 cats, moved out 2

months later but I think this is where I picked up the mites.)

Went to new derm a few years later who diagnosed rosacea and put me on

antibiotics - emycin low dose (eventually I had to take a higher dose

because they stopped making the lower dose) daily, he eventually added

metrolotion to my regiment.

Slowly I watched my face become worse and worse, postules and cysts

all around and on my nose and chin.

About a year ago I read about Photo Facials and went through a series

of treatments and got off the antibiotics and the Metrolotion.  The

nurse put me on a regiment of skin care lotions which did wonderful

things for my skin tone but not much for the cysts, which kept coming

back.

So my cysts came back and I went in for another IPL treatment (she

switched to the Starlux machine about midway through the first set of

txs), hurt unbelievably as she zapped the areas around my cysts.

My face didn't clear up as well as the first set of treatments so I

decided to take the plunge and try the Demodex products.

First week I was very flakey and the cysts went away!!!

During the second week the flakiness dissappeared and now all I have

is some redness where they once were.  I've had only one minor area

around the base of my nose that still feels like a cyst might be

lurking but the rest of my face feels normal.

I haven't had to use much of the product on my skin to get these

results, I have been very surprised how well they work.  My nose was

also pink and I had a pink area between my brows that even the IPL txs

didn't reduce and my nose is now a normal skin color and the area

between my brows has gotten much lighter.

My husband said the Z cream smells kind of like a tobacco plant.



I was wondering what results people have had using IPL with the Z

cream.



Thanks to all of you who kept posting about the Z cream.  If you

hadn't I never would have tried it.



Susan

age 42, started the Rosacea ride at the age of 27

Susan,

I am happy for your quick results.  No doubt if

you continue for a month, or as the suggested

amount, four months, you will notice significant

control of your rosacea.  Thanks for the report.

I haven't heard of anyone other than you who

has said they have had IPL and then the Z cream.

Maybe your post will elicit some others to post.

Brady





--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> Hi Noreen and Everyone,

>

> Noreen I am so happy it's working for you too.

>

>

> I started using the Z cream a bit over 2 weeks ago and I have been

> really happy with the results.  I followed the regiment that Brady has

> posted on his site.

>

> My history - diagnosed with perioral dermitis 15 years ago, used

> cortisone and antibiotics to try and reduce it, the derm blamed it on

> the stress of school (which had just finished).  (I had moved in with

> my parents after college to a house of 5 dogs and 3 cats, moved out 2

> months later but I think this is where I picked up the mites.)

> Went to new derm a few years later who diagnosed rosacea and put me on

> antibiotics - emycin low dose (eventually I had to take a higher dose

> because they stopped making the lower dose) daily, he eventually added

> metrolotion to my regiment.

> Slowly I watched my face become worse and worse, postules and cysts

> all around and on my nose and chin.

> About a year ago I read about Photo Facials and went through a series

> of treatments and got off the antibiotics and the Metrolotion.  The

> nurse put me on a regiment of skin care lotions which did wonderful

> things for my skin tone but not much for the cysts, which kept coming

> back.

> So my cysts came back and I went in for another IPL treatment (she

> switched to the Starlux machine about midway through the first set of

> txs), hurt unbelievably as she zapped the areas around my cysts.

> My face didn't clear up as well as the first set of treatments so I

> decided to take the plunge and try the Demodex products.

> First week I was very flakey and the cysts went away!!!

> During the second week the flakiness dissappeared and now all I have

> is some redness where they once were.  I've had only one minor area

> around the base of my nose that still feels like a cyst might be

> lurking but the rest of my face feels normal.

> I haven't had to use much of the product on my skin to get these

> results, I have been very surprised how well they work.  My nose was

> also pink and I had a pink area between my brows that even the IPL txs

> didn't reduce and my nose is now a normal skin color and the area

> between my brows has gotten much lighter.

> My husband said the Z cream smells kind of like a tobacco plant.

>

> I was wondering what results people have had using IPL with the Z

> cream.

>

> Thanks to all of you who kept posting about the Z cream.  If you

> hadn't I never would have tried it.

>

> Susan

> age 42, started the Rosacea ride at the age of 27

Hi Everyone,

I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested regiment

for over a month now and my skin has never looked better, not a papule

or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the evening and

even lighter for the morning.

Love this stuff.

Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how they have

worked for them.

Susan

Susan,

It is so cool you came back to post your results.

As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

read the posts, try the recommendations and then

never come back.  Question:

When you say my regimen, I hope you are

referring to this page, correct?  >



http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html



Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.



Brady



--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,

> I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested regiment

> for over a month now and my skin has never looked better, not a papule

> or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the evening and

> even lighter for the morning.

> Love this stuff.

> Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how they have

> worked for them.

> Susan

Hi Brady,

I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much of a

factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or drink

more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I followed

including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no break outs

afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that helps

with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

between my eyes.

My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually look in

the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to break

out.

I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but was very

wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed their

packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after that I

began to read about your results and then the results of others and

finally took the plunge.

So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others know,

it really does make a difference.

Susan

-- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows" <bradybarrows@h...>

wrote:

> Susan,

> It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> never come back.  Question:

> When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> referring to this page, correct?  >

>

> http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

>

> Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

>

> Brady

>

> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...>

wrote:

> > Hi Everyone,

> > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested regiment

> > for over a month now and my skin has never looked better, not a papule

> > or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the evening and

> > even lighter for the morning.

> > Love this stuff.

> > Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how they have

> > worked for them.

> > Susan

Susan,

Thanks answering my question.  I recommend that

you read my IPL page and bone up on it before taking

that plunge >



http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ipl.html



While many have reported success with IPL and rave

about it, there are some disgruntled rosaceans.  This

happens with EVERY treatment for rosacea, including

the Z cream.  The X-Factor.  But the old saying,

'buyer beware' not only applies to the Z cream but also

IPL and laser.  Not understanding the risks involved

and the side effects can be a rude awakening later

and saying, 'Why didn't you tell me about this before?'

to your doctor who made you sign all sorts of legal

papers before giving you any treatment tells you

something about this treatment.  The side effects

and risks associated with the Z cream are indeed

quite minimal compared to IPL.  I have not heard one

rosacean ever say that IPL reduces flushing but I sure

haven't heard it all.  Maybe someone knows in this

group?



Brady





--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> Hi Brady,

> I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much of a

> factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or drink

> more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I followed

> including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

> I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no break outs

> afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

> I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that helps

> with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

> between my eyes.

> My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually look in

> the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

> postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to break

> out.

> I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

> Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but was very

> wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed their

> packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after that I

> began to read about your results and then the results of others and

> finally took the plunge.

> So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others know,

> it really does make a difference.

> Susan

> -- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows" <bradybarrows@h...>

> wrote:

> > Susan,

> > It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> > As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> > read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> > never come back.  Question:

> > When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> > referring to this page, correct?  >

> >

> > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

> >

> > Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> > steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

> >

> > Brady

> >

> > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...>

> wrote:

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested regiment

> > > for over a month now and my skin has never looked better, not a papule

> > > or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the evening and

> > > even lighter for the morning.

> > > Love this stuff.

> > > Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how they have

> > > worked for them.

> > > Susan

Hello.... I"m surprised to read that you haven't heard of anyone having reduced

flushing after IPL.   I certainly have.  I had 5 IPLs and it helped a great deal

to reduce redness and flushing.  Never cured it of course and I am due for a

maintenance ( my derm stopped at 5 but I needed more then 5 ).  I notice that I

am starting to feel the tingling and the hot face in the mornings again.

Anyway, just my experience.

Marcella



Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@...> wrote:

Susan,

Thanks answering my question.  I recommend that

you read my IPL page and bone up on it before taking

that plunge >



http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ipl.html



While many have reported success with IPL and rave

about it, there are some disgruntled rosaceans.  This

happens with EVERY treatment for rosacea, including

the Z cream.  The X-Factor.  But the old saying,

'buyer beware' not only applies to the Z cream but also

IPL and laser.  Not understanding the risks involved

and the side effects can be a rude awakening later

and saying, 'Why didn't you tell me about this before?'

to your doctor who made you sign all sorts of legal

papers before giving you any treatment tells you

something about this treatment.  The side effects

and risks associated with the Z cream are indeed

quite minimal compared to IPL.  I have not heard one

rosacean ever say that IPL reduces flushing but I sure

haven't heard it all.  Maybe someone knows in this

group?



Brady





--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> Hi Brady,

> I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much of a

> factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or drink

> more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I followed

> including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

> I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no break outs

> afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

> I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that helps

> with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

> between my eyes.

> My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually look in

> the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

> postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to break

> out.

> I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

> Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but was very

> wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed their

> packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after that I

> began to read about your results and then the results of others and

> finally took the plunge.

> So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others know,

> it really does make a difference.

> Susan

> -- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows" <bradybarrows@h...>

> wrote:

> > Susan,

> > It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> > As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> > read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> > never come back.  Question:

> > When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> > referring to this page, correct?  >

> >

> > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

> >

> > Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> > steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

> >

> > Brady

> >

> > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...>

> wrote:

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested regiment

> > > for over a month now and my skin has never looked better, not a papule

> > > or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the evening and

> > > even lighter for the morning.

> > > Love this stuff.

> > > Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how they have

> > > worked for them.

> > > Susan















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how long has it been since your last ipl treatment?



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I'm not sure if you were directing your question to me or not, but if you were,

it's only been 3 months.  I knew that 5 were not enough but my derm said any

more at that time would be a wasteand would not do any more improvement. Duh! 

He talked about maintenance but never in dicated when that might be and there

has been no follow up from him.  I really felt like he was saying he held up his

part of the  "bargain" so to speak, not be on your way.  Bargain= 5 treatments

for $2500.  Of course, I will be going to another doc this time lol.

take care

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Marcella,

That's cool that your flushing was reduced after IPL.

I have heard that after some time period that IPL is also

needed again. Do you think you will be needing to go back

for more IPL?

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> Hello.... I"m surprised to read that you haven't heard of anyone having

reduced flushing

after IPL.   I certainly have.  I had 5 IPLs and it helped a great deal to

reduce redness and

flushing.  Never cured it of course and I am due for a maintenance ( my derm

stopped at 5

but I needed more then 5 ).  I notice that I am starting to feel the tingling

and the hot face

in the mornings again.

> Anyway, just my experience.

> Marcella

>

> Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> Susan,

> Thanks answering my question.  I recommend that

> you read my IPL page and bone up on it before taking

> that plunge >

>

> http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ipl.html

>

> While many have reported success with IPL and rave

> about it, there are some disgruntled rosaceans.  This

> happens with EVERY treatment for rosacea, including

> the Z cream.  The X-Factor.  But the old saying,

> 'buyer beware' not only applies to the Z cream but also

> IPL and laser.  Not understanding the risks involved

> and the side effects can be a rude awakening later

> and saying, 'Why didn't you tell me about this before?'

> to your doctor who made you sign all sorts of legal

> papers before giving you any treatment tells you

> something about this treatment.  The side effects

> and risks associated with the Z cream are indeed

> quite minimal compared to IPL.  I have not heard one

> rosacean ever say that IPL reduces flushing but I sure

> haven't heard it all.  Maybe someone knows in this

> group?

>

> Brady

>

>

> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> > Hi Brady,

> > I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much of a

> > factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or drink

> > more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I followed

> > including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

> > I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no break outs

> > afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

> > I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that helps

> > with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

> > between my eyes.

> > My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually look in

> > the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

> > postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to break

> > out.

> > I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

> > Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but was very

> > wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed their

> > packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after that I

> > began to read about your results and then the results of others and

> > finally took the plunge.

> > So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others know,

> > it really does make a difference.

> > Susan

> > -- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows" <bradybarrows@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > Susan,

> > > It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> > > As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> > > read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> > > never come back.  Question:

> > > When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> > > referring to this page, correct?  >

> > >

> > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

> > >

> > > Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> > > steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

> > >

> > > Brady

> > >

> > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...>

> > wrote:

> > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested regiment

> > > > for over a month now and my skin has never looked better, not a papule

> > > > or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the evening and

> > > > even lighter for the morning.

> > > > Love this stuff.

> > > > Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how they have

> > > > worked for them.

> > > > Susan

>

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yes I"m sure that I will need more.  Now that I know there CAN be a life again

without a red burning face, I want more of it!  lol.

Yes it does hurt to get the treatments but its well worth it.  I will be getting

IPL with a machine that I am not familiar with at all and that concerns me. 

It's the Starlux by Polamer. Seems to be fairly new as I don't see it being

talked about in forums.  The odd person has been treated and have had success.

If anyone can share infor on this machine, I would sure appreciate it.



Have you  had IPL yourself?

best wishes

Marcella



Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@...> wrote:

Marcella,

That's cool that your flushing was reduced after IPL.

I have heard that after some time period that IPL is also

needed again.  Do you think you will be needing to back

for more IPL?

Brady



--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> Hello.... I"m surprised to read that you haven't heard of anyone having

reduced flushing

after IPL.   I certainly have.  I had 5 IPLs and it helped a great deal to

reduce redness and

flushing.  Never cured it of course and I am due for a maintenance ( my derm

stopped at 5

but I needed more then 5 ).  I notice that I am starting to feel the tingling

and the hot face

in the mornings again.

> Anyway, just my experience.

> Marcella

>

> Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> Susan,

> Thanks answering my question.  I recommend that

> you read my IPL page and bone up on it before taking

> that plunge >

>

> http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ipl.html

>

> While many have reported success with IPL and rave

> about it, there are some disgruntled rosaceans.  This

> happens with EVERY treatment for rosacea, including

> the Z cream.  The X-Factor.  But the old saying,

> 'buyer beware' not only applies to the Z cream but also

> IPL and laser.  Not understanding the risks involved

> and the side effects can be a rude awakening later

> and saying, 'Why didn't you tell me about this before?'

> to your doctor who made you sign all sorts of legal

> papers before giving you any treatment tells you

> something about this treatment.  The side effects

> and risks associated with the Z cream are indeed

> quite minimal compared to IPL.  I have not heard one

> rosacean ever say that IPL reduces flushing but I sure

> haven't heard it all.  Maybe someone knows in this

> group?

>

> Brady

>

>

> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> > Hi Brady,

> > I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much of a

> > factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or drink

> > more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I followed

> > including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

> > I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no break outs

> > afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

> > I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that helps

> > with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

> > between my eyes.

> > My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually look in

> > the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

> > postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to break

> > out.

> > I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

> > Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but was very

> > wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed their

> > packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after that I

> > began to read about your results and then the results of others and

> > finally took the plunge.

> > So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others know,

> > it really does make a difference.

> > Susan

> > -- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows" <bradybarrows@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > Susan,

> > > It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> > > As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> > > read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> > > never come back.  Question:

> > > When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> > > referring to this page, correct?  >

> > >

> > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

> > >

> > > Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> > > steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

> > >

> > > Brady

> > >

> > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve" <snskramer@y...>

> > wrote:

> > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested regiment

> > > > for over a month now and my skin has never looked better, not a papule

> > > > or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the evening and

> > > > even lighter for the morning.

> > > > Love this stuff.

> > > > Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how they have

> > > > worked for them.

> > > > Susan

>

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Hi Marcella and all,

I originally had a total of 3 treatments with the FotoFacial machine

and then have had 3 more with the Starlux machine you mentioned.  The

results from the FotoFacial were great but my derm switched to the

Starlux.  My last treatment with the Starlux was really painful, I

don't know if that is because postules and pustules were brewing just

below the surface.  That's what drove me to try the Z cream, which has

worked wonderfully.  I also experienced decreased flushing and it did

a great job on the redness on my nose area and chin.  It did keep my

face from breaking out for more than a bit over a month but the

treatments are very costly.  I'm hoping with the z cream I can go only

  once or twice a year to help decrease the flushing and keep the

redness at bay.

I am hoping to try a Foto Facial machine again to see if it is as

painful as the Starlux.

I'll let you know.

SUsan



--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> Brady

> yes I"m sure that I will need more.  Now that I know there CAN be a

life again without a red burning face, I want more of it!  lol.

> Yes it does hurt to get the treatments but its well worth it.  I

will be getting IPL with a machine that I am not familiar with at all

and that concerns me.  It's the Starlux by Polamer. Seems to be fairly

new as I don't see it being talked about in forums.  The odd person

has been treated and have had success. If anyone can share infor on

this machine, I would sure appreciate it.

>

> Have you  had IPL yourself?

> best wishes

> Marcella

>

> Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> Marcella,

> That's cool that your flushing was reduced after IPL.

> I have heard that after some time period that IPL is also

> needed again.  Do you think you will be needing to back

> for more IPL?

> Brady

>

> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> > Hello.... I"m surprised to read that you haven't heard of anyone

having reduced flushing

> after IPL.   I certainly have.  I had 5 IPLs and it helped a great

deal to reduce redness and

> flushing.  Never cured it of course and I am due for a maintenance (

my derm stopped at 5

> but I needed more then 5 ).  I notice that I am starting to feel the

tingling and the hot face

> in the mornings again.

> > Anyway, just my experience.

> > Marcella

> >

> > Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> > Susan,

> > Thanks answering my question.  I recommend that

> > you read my IPL page and bone up on it before taking

> > that plunge >

> >

> > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ipl.html

> >

> > While many have reported success with IPL and rave

> > about it, there are some disgruntled rosaceans.  This

> > happens with EVERY treatment for rosacea, including

> > the Z cream.  The X-Factor.  But the old saying,

> > 'buyer beware' not only applies to the Z cream but also

> > IPL and laser.  Not understanding the risks involved

> > and the side effects can be a rude awakening later

> > and saying, 'Why didn't you tell me about this before?'

> > to your doctor who made you sign all sorts of legal

> > papers before giving you any treatment tells you

> > something about this treatment.  The side effects

> > and risks associated with the Z cream are indeed

> > quite minimal compared to IPL.  I have not heard one

> > rosacean ever say that IPL reduces flushing but I sure

> > haven't heard it all.  Maybe someone knows in this

> > group?

> >

> > Brady

> >

> >

> > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve"

<snskramer@y...> wrote:

> > > Hi Brady,

> > > I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much of a

> > > factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or drink

> > > more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I followed

> > > including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

> > > I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no break outs

> > > afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

> > > I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that helps

> > > with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

> > > between my eyes.

> > > My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually

look in

> > > the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

> > > postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to

break

> > > out.

> > > I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

> > > Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but was very

> > > wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed

their

> > > packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after

that I

> > > began to read about your results and then the results of others and

> > > finally took the plunge.

> > > So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others

know,

> > > it really does make a difference.

> > > Susan

> > > -- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows" <bradybarrows@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Susan,

> > > > It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> > > > As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> > > > read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> > > > never come back.  Question:

> > > > When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> > > > referring to this page, correct?  >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

> > > >

> > > > Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> > > > steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Brady

> > > >

> > > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve"

<snskramer@y...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested

regiment

> > > > > for over a month now and my skin has never looked better,

not a papule

> > > > > or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the

evening and

> > > > > even lighter for the morning.

> > > > > Love this stuff.

> > > > > Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how

they have

> > > > > worked for them.

> > > > > Susan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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HI Susan

My 5 IPLs were with the Vasculight machine and they were painful.  From

everything that I have been able to read on the Polamer web page, is that it

shouldn't be as painful.  I can't seem to connect with someone who has had both

..... for comparison purposes .  Anyway  thanks for the reply.  I dont have any

p & p however I have alot of redness, burning and flushing.  It's almost back to

full blown again today.  I had a perm and that could have contributed as well.

As far as results, would you say the Starlux is good for reducing redness and

burning??  Better then the other?

thanks

Marcella



Susan and Steve <snskramer@...> wrote:

Hi Marcella and all,

I originally had a total of 3 treatments with the FotoFacial machine

and then have had 3 more with the Starlux machine you mentioned.  The

results from the FotoFacial were great but my derm switched to the

Starlux.  My last treatment with the Starlux was really painful, I

don't know if that is because postules and pustules were brewing just

below the surface.  That's what drove me to try the Z cream, which has

worked wonderfully.  I also experienced decreased flushing and it did

a great job on the redness on my nose area and chin.  It did keep my

face from breaking out for more than a bit over a month but the

treatments are very costly.  I'm hoping with the z cream I can go only

once or twice a year to help decrease the flushing and keep the

redness at bay.

I am hoping to try a Foto Facial machine again to see if it is as

painful as the Starlux.

I'll let you know.

SUsan



--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> Brady

> yes I"m sure that I will need more.  Now that I know there CAN be a

life again without a red burning face, I want more of it!  lol.

> Yes it does hurt to get the treatments but its well worth it.  I

will be getting IPL with a machine that I am not familiar with at all

and that concerns me.  It's the Starlux by Polamer. Seems to be fairly

new as I don't see it being talked about in forums.  The odd person

has been treated and have had success. If anyone can share infor on

this machine, I would sure appreciate it.

>

> Have you  had IPL yourself?

> best wishes

> Marcella

>

> Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> Marcella,

> That's cool that your flushing was reduced after IPL.

> I have heard that after some time period that IPL is also

> needed again.  Do you think you will be needing to back

> for more IPL?

> Brady

>

> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> > Hello.... I"m surprised to read that you haven't heard of anyone

having reduced flushing

> after IPL.   I certainly have.  I had 5 IPLs and it helped a great

deal to reduce redness and

> flushing.  Never cured it of course and I am due for a maintenance (

my derm stopped at 5

> but I needed more then 5 ).  I notice that I am starting to feel the

tingling and the hot face

> in the mornings again.

> > Anyway, just my experience.

> > Marcella

> >

> > Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> > Susan,

> > Thanks answering my question.  I recommend that

> > you read my IPL page and bone up on it before taking

> > that plunge >

> >

> > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ipl.html

> >

> > While many have reported success with IPL and rave

> > about it, there are some disgruntled rosaceans.  This

> > happens with EVERY treatment for rosacea, including

> > the Z cream.  The X-Factor.  But the old saying,

> > 'buyer beware' not only applies to the Z cream but also

> > IPL and laser.  Not understanding the risks involved

> > and the side effects can be a rude awakening later

> > and saying, 'Why didn't you tell me about this before?'

> > to your doctor who made you sign all sorts of legal

> > papers before giving you any treatment tells you

> > something about this treatment.  The side effects

> > and risks associated with the Z cream are indeed

> > quite minimal compared to IPL.  I have not heard one

> > rosacean ever say that IPL reduces flushing but I sure

> > haven't heard it all.  Maybe someone knows in this

> > group?

> >

> > Brady

> >

> >

> > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve"

<snskramer@y...> wrote:

> > > Hi Brady,

> > > I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much of a

> > > factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or drink

> > > more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I followed

> > > including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

> > > I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no break outs

> > > afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

> > > I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that helps

> > > with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

> > > between my eyes.

> > > My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually

look in

> > > the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

> > > postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to

break

> > > out.

> > > I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

> > > Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but was very

> > > wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed

their

> > > packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after

that I

> > > began to read about your results and then the results of others and

> > > finally took the plunge.

> > > So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others

know,

> > > it really does make a difference.

> > > Susan

> > > -- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows" <bradybarrows@h...>

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> > > > Susan,

> > > > It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> > > > As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> > > > read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> > > > never come back.  Question:

> > > > When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> > > > referring to this page, correct?  >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

> > > >

> > > > Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> > > > steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Brady

> > > >

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> > > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested

regiment

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not a papule

> > > > > or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the

evening and

> > > > > even lighter for the morning.

> > > > > Love this stuff.

> > > > > Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how

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Hi Marcella,

It's so hard to compare, for me the experience was like someone

snapping a rubberband hard against my face with each zap.  I wasn't

bad across my forehead and most of my face but around and on the nose

were pretty uncomfortable.  Also, any areas that were tender prior to

the treatment were very sensitive during the treatment.  It seemed to

me that the FotoFacial machine was more comfortable, I don't know if

it was the settings, the amount of time she left the numbing lotion on

my face or the machine itself.  Now that I've had a treatment that was

  so uncomfortable I am looking to find another machine that might not

be so uncomfortable.  (Other things I've thought about, did the person

who was treating me make an error and set the machine too high?, if

she did she didn't tell me.)  Up until the last treatment I found that

though the treatments were uncomfortable they were bearable and the

results were worth the pain of the zaps.



One other thing I haven't seen mentioned, a few years ago I was taking

a vitamin B complex and had alot of redness and flushing with it, I

actually had a flushing occurrence in my derms office, he was really

shocked by it.  He didn't figure it out but my regular doctor did, so

I cut out vitamin B and that level of flushing went away.



Susan



--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> HI Susan

> My 5 IPLs were with the Vasculight machine and they were painful.

From everything that I have been able to read on the Polamer web page,

is that it shouldn't be as painful.  I can't seem to connect with

someone who has had both ..... for comparison purposes .  Anyway

thanks for the reply.  I dont have any p & p however I have alot of

redness, burning and flushing.  It's almost back to full blown again

today.  I had a perm and that could have contributed as well.

> As far as results, would you say the Starlux is good for reducing

redness and burning??  Better then the other?

> thanks

> Marcella

>

> Susan and Steve <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> Hi Marcella and all,

> I originally had a total of 3 treatments with the FotoFacial machine

> and then have had 3 more with the Starlux machine you mentioned.  The

> results from the FotoFacial were great but my derm switched to the

> Starlux.  My last treatment with the Starlux was really painful, I

> don't know if that is because postules and pustules were brewing just

> below the surface.  That's what drove me to try the Z cream, which has

> worked wonderfully.  I also experienced decreased flushing and it did

> a great job on the redness on my nose area and chin.  It did keep my

> face from breaking out for more than a bit over a month but the

> treatments are very costly.  I'm hoping with the z cream I can go only

> once or twice a year to help decrease the flushing and keep the

> redness at bay.

> I am hoping to try a Foto Facial machine again to see if it is as

> painful as the Starlux.

> I'll let you know.

> SUsan

>

> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> > Brady

> > yes I"m sure that I will need more.  Now that I know there CAN be a

> life again without a red burning face, I want more of it!  lol.

> > Yes it does hurt to get the treatments but its well worth it.  I

> will be getting IPL with a machine that I am not familiar with at all

> and that concerns me.  It's the Starlux by Polamer. Seems to be fairly

> new as I don't see it being talked about in forums.  The odd person

> has been treated and have had success. If anyone can share infor on

> this machine, I would sure appreciate it.

> >

> > Have you  had IPL yourself?

> > best wishes

> > Marcella

> >

> > Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> > Marcella,

> > That's cool that your flushing was reduced after IPL.

> > I have heard that after some time period that IPL is also

> > needed again.  Do you think you will be needing to back

> > for more IPL?

> > Brady

> >

> > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> > > Hello.... I"m surprised to read that you haven't heard of anyone

> having reduced flushing

> > after IPL.   I certainly have.  I had 5 IPLs and it helped a great

> deal to reduce redness and

> > flushing.  Never cured it of course and I am due for a maintenance (

> my derm stopped at 5

> > but I needed more then 5 ).  I notice that I am starting to feel the

> tingling and the hot face

> > in the mornings again.

> > > Anyway, just my experience.

> > > Marcella

> > >

> > > Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> > > Susan,

> > > Thanks answering my question.  I recommend that

> > > you read my IPL page and bone up on it before taking

> > > that plunge >

> > >

> > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ipl.html

> > >

> > > While many have reported success with IPL and rave

> > > about it, there are some disgruntled rosaceans.  This

> > > happens with EVERY treatment for rosacea, including

> > > the Z cream.  The X-Factor.  But the old saying,

> > > 'buyer beware' not only applies to the Z cream but also

> > > IPL and laser.  Not understanding the risks involved

> > > and the side effects can be a rude awakening later

> > > and saying, 'Why didn't you tell me about this before?'

> > > to your doctor who made you sign all sorts of legal

> > > papers before giving you any treatment tells you

> > > something about this treatment.  The side effects

> > > and risks associated with the Z cream are indeed

> > > quite minimal compared to IPL.  I have not heard one

> > > rosacean ever say that IPL reduces flushing but I sure

> > > haven't heard it all.  Maybe someone knows in this

> > > group?

> > >

> > > Brady

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve"

> <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> > > > Hi Brady,

> > > > I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much of a

> > > > factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or

drink

> > > > more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I followed

> > > > including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

> > > > I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no

break outs

> > > > afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

> > > > I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that

helps

> > > > with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

> > > > between my eyes.

> > > > My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually

> look in

> > > > the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

> > > > postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to

> break

> > > > out.

> > > > I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

> > > > Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but was very

> > > > wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed

> their

> > > > packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after

> that I

> > > > began to read about your results and then the results of

others and

> > > > finally took the plunge.

> > > > So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others

> know,

> > > > it really does make a difference.

> > > > Susan

> > > > -- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows"

<bradybarrows@h...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Susan,

> > > > > It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> > > > > As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> > > > > read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> > > > > never come back.  Question:

> > > > > When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> > > > > referring to this page, correct?  >

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> > > > > steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Brady

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve"

> <snskramer@y...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > > > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested

> regiment

> > > > > > for over a month now and my skin has never looked better,

> not a papule

> > > > > > or pustule in site.  I use the z cream very lightly in the

> evening and

> > > > > > even lighter for the morning.

> > > > > > Love this stuff.

> > > > > > Thank you to all who have posted on these products and how

> they have

> > > > > > worked for them.

> > > > > > Susan

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Thanks Susan.  Vitamin B complex = niacin, right?  :))

best wishes

Marcella



Susan and Steve <snskramer@...> wrote:

Hi Marcella,

It's so hard to compare, for me the experience was like someone

snapping a rubberband hard against my face with each zap.  I wasn't

bad across my forehead and most of my face but around and on the nose

were pretty uncomfortable.  Also, any areas that were tender prior to

the treatment were very sensitive during the treatment.  It seemed to

me that the FotoFacial machine was more comfortable, I don't know if

it was the settings, the amount of time she left the numbing lotion on

my face or the machine itself.  Now that I've had a treatment that was

so uncomfortable I am looking to find another machine that might not

be so uncomfortable.  (Other things I've thought about, did the person

who was treating me make an error and set the machine too high?, if

she did she didn't tell me.)  Up until the last treatment I found that

though the treatments were uncomfortable they were bearable and the

results were worth the pain of the zaps.



One other thing I haven't seen mentioned, a few years ago I was taking

a vitamin B complex and had alot of redness and flushing with it, I

actually had a flushing occurrence in my derms office, he was really

shocked by it.  He didn't figure it out but my regular doctor did, so

I cut out vitamin B and that level of flushing went away.



Susan



--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> HI Susan

> My 5 IPLs were with the Vasculight machine and they were painful.

From everything that I have been able to read on the Polamer web page,

is that it shouldn't be as painful.  I can't seem to connect with

someone who has had both ..... for comparison purposes .  Anyway

thanks for the reply.  I dont have any p & p however I have alot of

redness, burning and flushing.  It's almost back to full blown again

today.  I had a perm and that could have contributed as well.

> As far as results, would you say the Starlux is good for reducing

redness and burning??  Better then the other?

> thanks

> Marcella

>

> Susan and Steve <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> Hi Marcella and all,

> I originally had a total of 3 treatments with the FotoFacial machine

> and then have had 3 more with the Starlux machine you mentioned.  The

> results from the FotoFacial were great but my derm switched to the

> Starlux.  My last treatment with the Starlux was really painful, I

> don't know if that is because postules and pustules were brewing just

> below the surface.  That's what drove me to try the Z cream, which has

> worked wonderfully.  I also experienced decreased flushing and it did

> a great job on the redness on my nose area and chin.  It did keep my

> face from breaking out for more than a bit over a month but the

> treatments are very costly.  I'm hoping with the z cream I can go only

> once or twice a year to help decrease the flushing and keep the

> redness at bay.

> I am hoping to try a Foto Facial machine again to see if it is as

> painful as the Starlux.

> I'll let you know.

> SUsan

>

> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> > Brady

> > yes I"m sure that I will need more.  Now that I know there CAN be a

> life again without a red burning face, I want more of it!  lol.

> > Yes it does hurt to get the treatments but its well worth it.  I

> will be getting IPL with a machine that I am not familiar with at all

> and that concerns me.  It's the Starlux by Polamer. Seems to be fairly

> new as I don't see it being talked about in forums.  The odd person

> has been treated and have had success. If anyone can share infor on

> this machine, I would sure appreciate it.

> >

> > Have you  had IPL yourself?

> > best wishes

> > Marcella

> >

> > Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> > Marcella,

> > That's cool that your flushing was reduced after IPL.

> > I have heard that after some time period that IPL is also

> > needed again.  Do you think you will be needing to back

> > for more IPL?

> > Brady

> >

> > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> > > Hello.... I"m surprised to read that you haven't heard of anyone

> having reduced flushing

> > after IPL.   I certainly have.  I had 5 IPLs and it helped a great

> deal to reduce redness and

> > flushing.  Never cured it of course and I am due for a maintenance (

> my derm stopped at 5

> > but I needed more then 5 ).  I notice that I am starting to feel the

> tingling and the hot face

> > in the mornings again.

> > > Anyway, just my experience.

> > > Marcella

> > >

> > > Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> > > Susan,

> > > Thanks answering my question.  I recommend that

> > > you read my IPL page and bone up on it before taking

> > > that plunge >

> > >

> > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ipl.html

> > >

> > > While many have reported success with IPL and rave

> > > about it, there are some disgruntled rosaceans.  This

> > > happens with EVERY treatment for rosacea, including

> > > the Z cream.  The X-Factor.  But the old saying,

> > > 'buyer beware' not only applies to the Z cream but also

> > > IPL and laser.  Not understanding the risks involved

> > > and the side effects can be a rude awakening later

> > > and saying, 'Why didn't you tell me about this before?'

> > > to your doctor who made you sign all sorts of legal

> > > papers before giving you any treatment tells you

> > > something about this treatment.  The side effects

> > > and risks associated with the Z cream are indeed

> > > quite minimal compared to IPL.  I have not heard one

> > > rosacean ever say that IPL reduces flushing but I sure

> > > haven't heard it all.  Maybe someone knows in this

> > > group?

> > >

> > > Brady

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve"

> <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> > > > Hi Brady,

> > > > I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much of a

> > > > factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or

drink

> > > > more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I followed

> > > > including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

> > > > I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no

break outs

> > > > afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

> > > > I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that

helps

> > > > with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

> > > > between my eyes.

> > > > My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually

> look in

> > > > the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

> > > > postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to

> break

> > > > out.

> > > > I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

> > > > Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but was very

> > > > wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed

> their

> > > > packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after

> that I

> > > > began to read about your results and then the results of

others and

> > > > finally took the plunge.

> > > > So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others

> know,

> > > > it really does make a difference.

> > > > Susan

> > > > -- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows"

<bradybarrows@h...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Susan,

> > > > > It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> > > > > As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> > > > > read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> > > > > never come back.  Question:

> > > > > When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> > > > > referring to this page, correct?  >

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> > > > > steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Brady

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve"

> <snskramer@y...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > > > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested

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Yes, I always look for the non-flushing type now.  I was surprised how

much Vitamin B is added to food products also.

Interesting how sensitive our bodies are.

Susan

--- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> Thanks Susan.  Vitamin B complex = niacin, right?  :))

> best wishes

> Marcella

>

> Susan and Steve <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> Hi Marcella,

> It's so hard to compare, for me the experience was like someone

> snapping a rubberband hard against my face with each zap.  I wasn't

> bad across my forehead and most of my face but around and on the nose

> were pretty uncomfortable.  Also, any areas that were tender prior to

> the treatment were very sensitive during the treatment.  It seemed to

> me that the FotoFacial machine was more comfortable, I don't know if

> it was the settings, the amount of time she left the numbing lotion on

> my face or the machine itself.  Now that I've had a treatment that was

> so uncomfortable I am looking to find another machine that might not

> be so uncomfortable.  (Other things I've thought about, did the person

> who was treating me make an error and set the machine too high?, if

> she did she didn't tell me.)  Up until the last treatment I found that

> though the treatments were uncomfortable they were bearable and the

> results were worth the pain of the zaps.

>

> One other thing I haven't seen mentioned, a few years ago I was taking

> a vitamin B complex and had alot of redness and flushing with it, I

> actually had a flushing occurrence in my derms office, he was really

> shocked by it.  He didn't figure it out but my regular doctor did, so

> I cut out vitamin B and that level of flushing went away.

>

> Susan

>

> --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> > HI Susan

> > My 5 IPLs were with the Vasculight machine and they were painful.

> From everything that I have been able to read on the Polamer web page,

> is that it shouldn't be as painful.  I can't seem to connect with

> someone who has had both ..... for comparison purposes .  Anyway

> thanks for the reply.  I dont have any p & p however I have alot of

> redness, burning and flushing.  It's almost back to full blown again

> today.  I had a perm and that could have contributed as well.

> > As far as results, would you say the Starlux is good for reducing

> redness and burning??  Better then the other?

> > thanks

> > Marcella

> >

> > Susan and Steve <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> > Hi Marcella and all,

> > I originally had a total of 3 treatments with the FotoFacial machine

> > and then have had 3 more with the Starlux machine you mentioned.  The

> > results from the FotoFacial were great but my derm switched to the

> > Starlux.  My last treatment with the Starlux was really painful, I

> > don't know if that is because postules and pustules were brewing just

> > below the surface.  That's what drove me to try the Z cream, which has

> > worked wonderfully.  I also experienced decreased flushing and it did

> > a great job on the redness on my nose area and chin.  It did keep my

> > face from breaking out for more than a bit over a month but the

> > treatments are very costly.  I'm hoping with the z cream I can go only

> > once or twice a year to help decrease the flushing and keep the

> > redness at bay.

> > I am hoping to try a Foto Facial machine again to see if it is as

> > painful as the Starlux.

> > I'll let you know.

> > SUsan

> >

> > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> > > Brady

> > > yes I"m sure that I will need more.  Now that I know there CAN be a

> > life again without a red burning face, I want more of it!  lol.

> > > Yes it does hurt to get the treatments but its well worth it.  I

> > will be getting IPL with a machine that I am not familiar with at all

> > and that concerns me.  It's the Starlux by Polamer. Seems to be fairly

> > new as I don't see it being talked about in forums.  The odd person

> > has been treated and have had success. If anyone can share infor on

> > this machine, I would sure appreciate it.

> > >

> > > Have you  had IPL yourself?

> > > best wishes

> > > Marcella

> > >

> > > Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> > > Marcella,

> > > That's cool that your flushing was reduced after IPL.

> > > I have heard that after some time period that IPL is also

> > > needed again.  Do you think you will be needing to back

> > > for more IPL?

> > > Brady

> > >

> > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, Marcella <wwwdotchat@y...> wrote:

> > > > Hello.... I"m surprised to read that you haven't heard of anyone

> > having reduced flushing

> > > after IPL.   I certainly have.  I had 5 IPLs and it helped a great

> > deal to reduce redness and

> > > flushing.  Never cured it of course and I am due for a maintenance (

> > my derm stopped at 5

> > > but I needed more then 5 ).  I notice that I am starting to feel the

> > tingling and the hot face

> > > in the mornings again.

> > > > Anyway, just my experience.

> > > > Marcella

> > > >

> > > > Brady Barrows <bradybarrows@h...> wrote:

> > > > Susan,

> > > > Thanks answering my question.  I recommend that

> > > > you read my IPL page and bone up on it before taking

> > > > that plunge >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ipl.html

> > > >

> > > > While many have reported success with IPL and rave

> > > > about it, there are some disgruntled rosaceans.  This

> > > > happens with EVERY treatment for rosacea, including

> > > > the Z cream.  The X-Factor.  But the old saying,

> > > > 'buyer beware' not only applies to the Z cream but also

> > > > IPL and laser.  Not understanding the risks involved

> > > > and the side effects can be a rude awakening later

> > > > and saying, 'Why didn't you tell me about this before?'

> > > > to your doctor who made you sign all sorts of legal

> > > > papers before giving you any treatment tells you

> > > > something about this treatment.  The side effects

> > > > and risks associated with the Z cream are indeed

> > > > quite minimal compared to IPL.  I have not heard one

> > > > rosacean ever say that IPL reduces flushing but I sure

> > > > haven't heard it all.  Maybe someone knows in this

> > > > group?

> > > >

> > > > Brady

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve"

> > <snskramer@y...> wrote:

> > > > > Hi Brady,

> > > > > I follow the first three steps, diet doesn't seem to be much

of a

> > > > > factor to me unless I eat alot of sugar (candy) at one time or

> drink

> > > > > more than two glasses of wine or beer.  The rest of it I

followed

> > > > > including using the x cream when my skin gets a little flakey.

> > > > > I can still feel my nose flush occasionally but so far no

> break outs

> > > > > afterwards, previously the flush was a precurser to a break out.

> > > > > I am hoping to have an IPL treatment next month to see if that

> helps

> > > > > with the flushing and the little bit of pink left on my nose and

> > > > > between my eyes.

> > > > > My life has really changed since I began treatment, I actually

> > look in

> > > > > the mirror less.  I don't have constant pain on my face due to

> > > > > postules and I feel like I can touch my face and not cause it to

> > break

> > > > > out.

> > > > > I do wish more people would post their results, I had found the

> > > > > Demodex site before I found the Yahoo rosaceans group but

was very

> > > > > wary of ordering from them.  At that time they had just changed

> > their

> > > > > packaging and people were worried about it.  Not too long after

> > that I

> > > > > began to read about your results and then the results of

> others and

> > > > > finally took the plunge.

> > > > > So again, thank you to all who come back and post to let others

> > know,

> > > > > it really does make a difference.

> > > > > Susan

> > > > > -- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Barrows"

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> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Susan,

> > > > > > It is so cool you came back to post your results.

> > > > > > As I said before, the tendency of rosaceans is to

> > > > > > read the posts, try the recommendations and then

> > > > > > never come back.  Question:

> > > > > > When you say my regimen, I hope you are

> > > > > > referring to this page, correct?  >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.rosaceans.com/html/z6.html

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you use all four steps or did you skip some

> > > > > > steps?  Feedback is really helpful.  Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Brady

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In rosaceans@yahoogroups.com, "Susan and Steve"

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> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > > > > I've been using the Z cream and following Brady's suggested

> > regiment

> > > > > > > for over a month now and my skin has never looked better,

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> > > > > > > even lighter for the morning.

> > > > > > > Love this stuff.

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I used the z cream for the first time last night and woke up with my eyes all

puffy, mostly under but also the lids.  Anyone else have this experience?  While

I didn't put any cream around the eye area, I do sleep with an eye mask on so

maybe this had an effect of spreading it farther.  The bags under the eyes are

sticking around too.  I still have them hours after getting up, washing my face,

etc.  Don't know how to get rid of them.







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One of the side effects of the Z cream is tearing.

It may be possible that the mint is the culprit for this.

Mint may be part of the reason why the Z cream works?

Anyway, I suggest you try putting on the Z cream again

tonight, close you eyes and not wear the eye mask if

you are able.  With your eyes closed, allow the Z cream

to dry.  Once it dries you can put the eye mask on and

go to sleep.  I think once the mint effect has dried up

that should do the trick.  Keeping the eye mask on

doesn't allow air to dry the Z cream possibly?



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> I used the z cream for the first time last night and woke up with my eyes all

puffy,

mostly under but also the lids.  Anyone else have this experience?  While I

didn't put any

cream around the eye area, I do sleep with an eye mask on so maybe this had an

effect of

spreading it farther.  The bags under the eyes are sticking around too.  I still

have them

hours after getting up, washing my face, etc.  Don't know how to get rid of

them.

>

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I started using Z cream a year ago and have had absolutely no breakouts since.

The redness is much lighter.  Nothing else I tried before worked for this long. 

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