The cure for rosacea exists. Dont be fulled by acupuncture or other

treatments. they are good for nothing. I went through hell because

of this condition. However, I was cured. The procedure is called

ETS - Endoscopic Thoracic Sympatectomy. I had this procedure done to

stop excessive sweating on my face. It cuts the sympathetic nerves

that send nervous signals to the skin on the face. Not only my

hyperhydrosis was cured - my rosacea is since then gone forever - or

at least has been gone till now.(I had ETS done 4 years ago - and

just guess - no red bulbous nose - no acne - no flare ups)Is this

called - "killing two birds with one stone" or not?)Of course - some

cosmetic adjustments are necessary to get rid of old enlarged veins -

  e.g. laser treatment. I garantee you that, after ETS + laser

treatment your nose will have no different colour than the rest of

your face. You wont have to wake up each morning and be afraid to

look at the mirror. (Too good to be true? - NO) I strongly recomend

this procedure.I know how miserable are people with with this s...t

on their faces. I experienced this - and I want to help. However -

medical community is not interested in my observation - even though

I tried to get this message across. I guess pharma companies are

making lots of money selling uselles stuff. Just imagine 14 million

people with rosacea in america X price of the antibiotic oitment X

12 (number of months in the year) = nice revenue.

  Peace for all my brothers and sisters with this condition - and go

get the cure ASAP

Hi, jerrylubas!  I remembering hearing on the radio that some news anchors get

this procedure done.  I think it could help a lot of people on this board.  Was

the procedure done to stop excessive sweating or excessive oiliness?  I'm

guessing those are two different things, right?  Do you think this procedure

could help people that have seb derm?



jerrylubas <jalubas@...> wrote:The cure for rosacea exists. Dont be

fulled by acupuncture or other

treatments. they are good for nothing. I went through hell because

of this condition. However, I was cured. The procedure is called

ETS - Endoscopic Thoracic Sympatectomy. I had this procedure done to

stop excessive sweating on my face. It cuts the sympathetic nerves

that send nervous signals to the skin on the face. Not only my

hyperhydrosis was cured - my rosacea is since then gone forever - or

at least has been gone till now.(I had ETS done 4 years ago - and

just guess - no red bulbous nose - no acne - no flare ups)Is this

called - "killing two birds with one stone" or not?)Of course - some

cosmetic adjustments are necessary to get rid of old enlarged veins -

e.g. laser treatment. I garantee you that, after ETS + laser

treatment your nose will have no different colour than the rest of

your face. You wont have to wake up each morning and be afraid to

look at the mirror. (Too good to be true? - NO) I strongly recomend

this procedure.I know how miserable are people with with this s...t

on their faces. I experienced this - and I want to help. However -

medical community is not interested in my observation - even though

I tried to get this message across. I guess pharma companies are

making lots of money selling uselles stuff. Just imagine 14 million

people with rosacea in america X price of the antibiotic oitment X

12 (number of months in the year) = nice revenue.

Peace for all my brothers and sisters with this condition - and go

get the cure ASAP









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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:29:30 -0000, jerrylubas <jalubas@...> wrote:

> The cure for rosacea exists. Dont be fulled by acupuncture or other

> treatments. they are good for nothing. I went through hell because

> of this condition. However, I was cured. The procedure is called

> ETS - Endoscopic Thoracic Sympatectomy.



As moderators we are tempted to reject any message that claims to be a

cure for rosacea. Such a simplistic approach to a complex disease will

only lead to angst. It can also be difficult to distinguish a scam

from well meaning exhuberance.



On the other hand we want debate to be as wide and reasonable as

possible. Please read all messages claiming to be cures with due care.



ETS is not be entered into lightly and should only be considered by

those whose symptoms match the recommended profile, and after

consideration of risks vs. benefits (and other questions you need to

ask yourself).



davidp.

--

David Pascoe, pascoedj@...

Hello Jerry,



I am glad that you have found relief from rosacea.  But, I do want

to caution you that ETS is not for the treatment of rosacea.  It is

for the treatment of a very specific form of neural flushing.  It

should only be used as a last chance treatment (and with the

understanding that more than 50% of patients will experience

bothersome side effects).  Once again, I am glad for you, but I am

concerned that ETS surgeons are now advertising this treatment over

the Internet as a treatment for rosacea -- this is not true and very

misleading.



Geoffrey

___________________________



Dr. Geoffrey Nase

Ph.D. Microvascular Physiologist

www.drnase.com

___________________________









--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "jerrylubas" <jalubas@h...>

wrote:

> The cure for rosacea exists. Dont be fulled by acupuncture or

other

> treatments. they are good for nothing. I went through hell because

> of this condition. However, I was cured. The procedure is called

> ETS - Endoscopic Thoracic Sympatectomy. I had this procedure done

to

> stop excessive sweating on my face. It cuts the sympathetic nerves

> that send nervous signals to the skin on the face. Not only my

> hyperhydrosis was cured - my rosacea is since then gone forever -

or

> at least has been gone till now.(I had ETS done 4 years ago - and

> just guess - no red bulbous nose - no acne - no flare ups)Is this

> called - "killing two birds with one stone" or not?)Of course -

some

> cosmetic adjustments are necessary to get rid of old enlarged

veins -

>  e.g. laser treatment. I garantee you that, after ETS + laser

> treatment your nose will have no different colour than the rest of

> your face. You wont have to wake up each morning and be afraid to

> look at the mirror. (Too good to be true? - NO) I strongly

recomend

> this procedure.I know how miserable are people with with this

s...t

> on their faces. I experienced this - and I want to help. However -

> medical community is not interested in my observation - even

though

> I tried to get this message across. I guess pharma companies are

> making lots of money selling uselles stuff. Just imagine 14

million

> people with rosacea in america X price of the antibiotic oitment X

> 12 (number of months in the year) = nice revenue.

>  Peace for all my brothers and sisters with this condition - and

go

> get the cure ASAP

I second this. I got ETS and it only helped ONE small aspect of my

rosacea.  ONE of my triggers is social blushing, and ETS eliminated

that. The majority of triggers are still there, so it's only made a

minor dent for me. It sounds like this person's MAJOR trigger was

social/sympathetic blushing.  It won't help at all if this type of

blushing isn't a trigger for you.  So, remember everyone is

different and that there are risks. You can actually get worse from

it if you get the side effect of gustatory flushing.  I was lucky in

that my only side effect was goosebumps when I eat anything super-

sweet....wierd!! Also, my facial skin is a little more dry than it

used to be.  If I were to decide now, I wouldn't do it.  I just

wouldn't take the risk of surgery and possible ETS side effects for

such a small improvement.  Also, consider the fact that beta

blockers are extremely safe and do the same thing that ETS does.



Once again, I got ETS and it helped a little, but I'm far from

cured!!



Patty



--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "drnase2000"

<drnase1000@h...> wrote:

> Hello Jerry,

>

> I am glad that you have found relief from rosacea.  But, I do want

> to caution you that ETS is not for the treatment of rosacea.  It

is

> for the treatment of a very specific form of neural flushing.  It

> should only be used as a last chance treatment (and with the

> understanding that more than 50% of patients will experience

> bothersome side effects).  Once again, I am glad for you, but I am

> concerned that ETS surgeons are now advertising this treatment

over

> the Internet as a treatment for rosacea -- this is not true and

very

> misleading.

>

> Geoffrey

> ___________________________

>

> Dr. Geoffrey Nase

> Ph.D. Microvascular Physiologist

> www.drnase.com

> ___________________________

>

>

>

>

> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "jerrylubas"

<jalubas@h...>

> wrote:

> > The cure for rosacea exists. Dont be fulled by acupuncture or

> other

> > treatments. they are good for nothing. I went through hell

because

> > of this condition. However, I was cured. The procedure is called

> > ETS - Endoscopic Thoracic Sympatectomy. I had this procedure

done

> to

> > stop excessive sweating on my face. It cuts the sympathetic

nerves

> > that send nervous signals to the skin on the face. Not only my

> > hyperhydrosis was cured - my rosacea is since then gone forever -



> or

> > at least has been gone till now.(I had ETS done 4 years ago -

and

> > just guess - no red bulbous nose - no acne - no flare ups)Is

this

> > called - "killing two birds with one stone" or not?)Of course -

> some

> > cosmetic adjustments are necessary to get rid of old enlarged

> veins -

> >  e.g. laser treatment. I garantee you that, after ETS + laser

> > treatment your nose will have no different colour than the rest

of

> > your face. You wont have to wake up each morning and be afraid

to

> > look at the mirror. (Too good to be true? - NO) I strongly

> recomend

> > this procedure.I know how miserable are people with with this

> s...t

> > on their faces. I experienced this - and I want to help.

However -

> > medical community is not interested in my observation - even

> though

> > I tried to get this message across. I guess pharma companies are

> > making lots of money selling uselles stuff. Just imagine 14

> million

> > people with rosacea in america X price of the antibiotic oitment

X

> > 12 (number of months in the year) = nice revenue.

> >  Peace for all my brothers and sisters with this condition - and

> go

> > get the cure ASAP

What are beta blockers?



elton_fan_patty <nurse_artist@...> wrote:

I second this. I got ETS and it only helped ONE small aspect of my

rosacea. ONE of my triggers is social blushing, and ETS eliminated

that. The majority of triggers are still there, so it's only made a

minor dent for me. It sounds like this person's MAJOR trigger was

social/sympathetic blushing. It won't help at all if this type of

blushing isn't a trigger for you. So, remember everyone is

different and that there are risks. You can actually get worse from

it if you get the side effect of gustatory flushing. I was lucky in

that my only side effect was goosebumps when I eat anything super-

sweet....wierd!! Also, my facial skin is a little more dry than it

used to be. If I were to decide now, I wouldn't do it. I just

wouldn't take the risk of surgery and possible ETS side effects for

such a small improvement. Also, consider the fact that beta

blockers are extremely safe and do the same thing that ETS does.



Once again, I got ETS and it helped a little, but I'm far from

cured!!



Patty



--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "drnase2000"

wrote:

> Hello Jerry,

>

> I am glad that you have found relief from rosacea. But, I do want

> to caution you that ETS is not for the treatment of rosacea. It

is

> for the treatment of a very specific form of neural flushing. It

> should only be used as a last chance treatment (and with the

> understanding that more than 50% of patients will experience

> bothersome side effects). Once again, I am glad for you, but I am

> concerned that ETS surgeons are now advertising this treatment

over

> the Internet as a treatment for rosacea -- this is not true and

very

> misleading.

>

> Geoffrey

> ___________________________

>

> Dr. Geoffrey Nase

> Ph.D. Microvascular Physiologist

> www.drnase.com

> ___________________________

>

>

>

>

> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "jerrylubas"



> wrote:

> > The cure for rosacea exists. Dont be fulled by acupuncture or

> other

> > treatments. they are good for nothing. I went through hell

because

> > of this condition. However, I was cured. The procedure is called

> > ETS - Endoscopic Thoracic Sympatectomy. I had this procedure

done

> to

> > stop excessive sweating on my face. It cuts the sympathetic

nerves

> > that send nervous signals to the skin on the face. Not only my

> > hyperhydrosis was cured - my rosacea is since then gone forever -



> or

> > at least has been gone till now.(I had ETS done 4 years ago -

and

> > just guess - no red bulbous nose - no acne - no flare ups)Is

this

> > called - "killing two birds with one stone" or not?)Of course -

> some

> > cosmetic adjustments are necessary to get rid of old enlarged

> veins -

> > e.g. laser treatment. I garantee you that, after ETS + laser

> > treatment your nose will have no different colour than the rest

of

> > your face. You wont have to wake up each morning and be afraid

to

> > look at the mirror. (Too good to be true? - NO) I strongly

> recomend

> > this procedure.I know how miserable are people with with this

> s...t

> > on their faces. I experienced this - and I want to help.

However -

> > medical community is not interested in my observation - even

> though

> > I tried to get this message across. I guess pharma companies are

> > making lots of money selling uselles stuff. Just imagine 14

> million

> > people with rosacea in america X price of the antibiotic oitment

X

> > 12 (number of months in the year) = nice revenue.

> > Peace for all my brothers and sisters with this condition - and

> go

> > get the cure ASAP









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Maize

  Thank you Jerrylubas.  This was a very convincing observation and it doesn't

appear that you have anything to gain other than the satisfaction of knowing

that you might be able to help some people.  It would be wonderful if there was

some kind of research into this as it seems to make a whole lot of sense. 

Perhaps you can write to the people that manufacture the equipment used for the

ETS procedure -  or one of the key doctors that perform this procedure, ie.

people that have most to gain by it.

        Hello, Mr. Barrows and/or Dr. Nase... Have either of you ever heard of

this used for Rosacea treatment?  It would be interesting to know if this is

being explored and if this has promise.



      In the meantime, Jerry,  can you tell us more about this procedure:

1.  Cost?  Covered under insurance?

2.  Actual procedure?

3.  What one can expect afterwards?  Healing time?

4.  Were you ever actually diagnosed for Rosacea or just the excessive sweating?

5.  For those of us without excessive sweating - wondering how to find a doctor

that would do it for R?

6.  Did your doctor know at the time that this procedure could possibly help the

R also?



Thanks Jerry, in advance, for sharing info.

Susan in PA



followed up From: "jerrylubas" <jalubas@...>

Subject: ROSACEA CAN BE CURED



The cure for rosacea exists. Dont be fulled by acupuncture or other

treatments. they are good for nothing. I went through hell because

of this condition. However, I was cured. The procedure is called

ETS - Endoscopic Thoracic Sympatectomy. I had this procedure done to

stop excessive sweating on my face. It cuts the sympathetic nerves

that send nervous signals to the skin on the face. Not only my

hyperhydrosis was cured - my rosacea is since then gone forever - or

at least has been gone till now.(I had ETS done 4 years ago - and

just guess - no red bulbous nose - no acne - no flare ups)Is this

called - "killing two birds with one stone" or not?)Of course - some

cosmetic adjustments are necessary to get rid of old enlarged veins -

  e.g. laser treatment. I garantee you that, after ETS + laser

treatment your nose will have no different colour than the rest of

your face. You wont have to wake up each morning and be afraid to

look at the mirror. (Too good to be true? - NO) I strongly recomend

this procedure.I know how miserable are people with with this s...t

on their faces. I experienced this - and I want to help. However -

medical community is not interested in my observation - even though

I tried to get this message across. I guess pharma companies are

making lots of money selling uselles stuff. Just imagine 14 million

people with rosacea in america X price of the antibiotic oitment X

12 (number of months in the year) = nice revenue.

  Peace for all my brothers and sisters with this condition - and go

get the cure ASAP











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Susan in PA,



Dr. Nase is the expert on ETS, but

I have put a simple page of info at

this url >



http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ets.html



Brady Barrows





--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <skarppala@a...> wrote:

> Maize

>  Thank you Jerrylubas.  This was a very convincing observation and it doesn't

appear

that you have anything to gain other than the satisfaction of knowing that you

might be

able to help some people.  It would be wonderful if there was some kind of

research into

this as it seems to make a whole lot of sense.  Perhaps you can write to the

people that

manufacture the equipment used for the ETS procedure -  or one of the key

doctors that

perform this procedure, ie. people that have most to gain by it.

>        Hello, Mr. Barrows and/or Dr. Nase... Have either of you ever heard of

this used for

Rosacea treatment?  It would be interesting to know if this is being explored

and if this has

promise.

>

>      In the meantime, Jerry,  can you tell us more about this procedure:

> 1.  Cost?  Covered under insurance?

> 2.  Actual procedure?

> 3.  What one can expect afterwards?  Healing time?

> 4.  Were you ever actually diagnosed for Rosacea or just the excessive

sweating?

> 5.  For those of us without excessive sweating - wondering how to find a

doctor that

would do it for R?

> 6.  Did your doctor know at the time that this procedure could possibly help

the R also?

>

> Thanks Jerry, in advance, for sharing info.

> Susan in PA

>

> followed up From: "jerrylubas" <jalubas@h...>

> Subject: ROSACEA CAN BE CURED

>

> The cure for rosacea exists. Dont be fulled by acupuncture or other

> treatments. they are good for nothing. I went through hell because

> of this condition. However, I was cured. The procedure is called

> ETS - Endoscopic Thoracic Sympatectomy. I had this procedure done to

> stop excessive sweating on my face. It cuts the sympathetic nerves

> that send nervous signals to the skin on the face. Not only my

> hyperhydrosis was cured - my rosacea is since then gone forever - or

> at least has been gone till now.(I had ETS done 4 years ago - and

> just guess - no red bulbous nose - no acne - no flare ups)Is this

> called - "killing two birds with one stone" or not?)Of course - some

> cosmetic adjustments are necessary to get rid of old enlarged veins -

>  e.g. laser treatment. I garantee you that, after ETS + laser

> treatment your nose will have no different colour than the rest of

> your face. You wont have to wake up each morning and be afraid to

> look at the mirror. (Too good to be true? - NO) I strongly recomend

> this procedure.I know how miserable are people with with this s...t

> on their faces. I experienced this - and I want to help. However -

> medical community is not interested in my observation - even though

> I tried to get this message across. I guess pharma companies are

> making lots of money selling uselles stuff. Just imagine 14 million

> people with rosacea in america X price of the antibiotic oitment X

> 12 (number of months in the year) = nice revenue.

>  Peace for all my brothers and sisters with this condition - and go

> get the cure ASAP

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks again for posting that page.  A nice, concise overview of the pros

and cons and important info was just what I needed to get a handle on this

one.

Susan in PA



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From: "Brady Barrows" <bradybarrows@...>

To: "Susan" <skarppala@...>

Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:36 AM

Subject: Re: ROSACEA CAN BE CURED





> Susan in PA,

>

> I am not an expert, but Dr. Nase is on this

> subject. I have placed a simple page on my

> website about ETS >

>

> http://www.rosaceans.com/html/ets.html

>

> As David Pascoe said, using the word 'cure'

> for rosacea is a warning.  It is like crying

> 'fire' in a theatre.  The one who does that

> better be prepared for the consequences

> when there is no fire or 'cure.'  Listening

> and acting on 'cures' for rosacea can bite

> you real hard so be forewarned.

>

> Brady Barrows