Hi, I'm new to the group. I recently had a consultation with Dr.
Bitter Sr., and am thinking of ipl treatments (have to save up $). I
will have to ask him more questions, but I'm trying to research this
as much as possible. I want to find out about any studies done related
to this treatment. I'm concerned about long term negative affects,
cancer risk, etc. Thanks for any info or resources you know of.
-Sue

Many of us have these feelings also. Every animal has a fight or
flight tendancy that must be dealt with all your life. They are
stongest when we are at our weakest. As Winston Churchill said "the
night makes cowards of us all". Don't let a weak moment influence
your decision.  Also depression is a serious sickness thats seems as
if your carring a 700 lb weight on your shoulders. Many of us have
used anti-depressent medication at one time or another. It does work
and will help you to not worry about what others think of you. I urge
you to fight the monster and not give in to it. As for being normal,
their are very few people who truly are, many people have diseases
that you or no one else is aware of. Seek medical help if these
feeling persist, and don't give in to the temptation, remember we all
have these thoughts but we also know they will pass if given time.
Now go fight the fight, and never, ever, surrender!

I have taken moxon for about one year, and I'm very happy with the
results. It definitely has reduced my neural flushing, and I'm not
experiencing any side effects. It has not made any difference however
in permanent redness, burning and stinging and dealing with heat.
Clonidine may be better at reducing redness, burning, stinging,
dealing with heat. Does anyone know? I like to hear from those taking
clonidine.

thank you so much!
Catherine

On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:21:10 -0000, anreid911 <anreid@...> wrote:
>
>  I tried moxonidine for a period of around 6 months. It may have been
>  moderately effective (difficult to tell to be honest) but for me the
>  side-effects were worse than the flushing: Tiredness, spaced-out
>  feeling, headaches.
>

Exactly those, thanks David.

Andrew.

--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, David Pascoe <pascoedj@g...>
wrote:
> Perhaps you mean these posts, Andrew.
>
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/28643
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/28650
>
> Note to all: you need to spell it correctly to be able to search for
> it. It is spelt moxonidine, _not_ as in the subject of this message.

Mexoryl has added components.  Several of the posters felt that Mexoryl had
too many additives to be really helpful for irritated, rosacea type skin.

Thank you all for responding so strongly to my request for feedback about
Mexoryl type sunscreens.

Although I generally use (and like Neutrogena for sensitive skin) Much
titanium and zinc dioxide, it is oily and greasy, and gave me only only
whitehead
(milia) in years.

Matija thanks for remaining so loyal to the group and contributing so much
useful information.  Shall pursue the links you posted.

Thanks to the many Canadians who responded, too.


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i need to use an oil-free moisturizer, was wondering if someone could help
me with compounding an oil-free base moisturizing lotion with noritate.

Neutrogena with SPF15 (not the one for sensitive skin) works for me,
and it seems to be available everywhere.

Larraine

--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "dougandalley17"
<apatton@y...> wrote:
> HI , I am needing someone to recommend a good moisturizing face
> cream.  Someone emailed a few days ago and recommeded origins
> constant comforter moisturizing cream, but I cant seem to find it.
> I live in a small town and Im very limited on where I can shop for
> things.  If someone could recommend something that I could find at
> my local drugstore or walmart type store that would be great.
> Thanks you

Hello Jen,
I have a background in nutrition and herbalism as well as a lot of
personal experience with the supplements you mentioned.  Here are a
few tidbits of information to help you.  As you know, with rosacea
everyone is different and you will have to experiment with what works
for you personally.

In general, however I think one of the single most important
supplements to take is zinc (take in a chelated or zinc citrate form
for best absorption).  Zinc is a top choice for several reasons:  it
aids in cell regrowth/regeneration, it balances the sebaceous glands
(i.e. regulates oil production), it is antimicrobial, and antioxidant
in nature, etc.  Many women, especially those who are vegetarian or
eat little meat, are often lacking in zinc.  A 25 - 50 mg daily
dosage is considered safe (make sure to check your other
supplements , e.g. multivitamins, for zinc and add up total so that
you do not exceed 50-75 mg per day max).

Vitamin C in the Ester C formulation is also generally considered to
be a top notch choice for rosacea.  The general recommended dosage is
3000-5000mg per day.  Start out with one capsule and work your way up
gradually to see how much you tolerate and/or need.  In my own
personal experience (believe it or not!), I have found that for my
body, LESS is MORE.  That is, just one Ester C capsule (600 mg per
day only) really helps my flushing but more does not.  Experiment to
see what dosage you need.

Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids are also indicated in skin disorders.  Flax
seed and fish oils are Omega 3, while Evening Primrose Oil provides
Omega 6.  Flax seed oil (as I mentioned in a previous post) has
received a lot of publicity and is a great oil; however it has shown
limitations in anti-inflammatory pathways in the body.  That is, in
order to exert an anti-inflammatory effect flax seed oil must go
through a multi-step conversion process.  Many people do not have the
required enzymes, etc. for this conversion and so less than 5% of the
ingested flax seed ever makes it through this process. Flax seed oil
can also trigger flushing in some individuals (such as ME!!!!) as it
is relatively high in salicylate content and if you flush to high
salicylate foods you may react to flax seed oil (the ground seeds are
much lower in salicylates and you may not react to them).  If you
take flax seed oil and don't notice a difference, or think it may be
worse, stop and start it again to assess the changes, if any, on your
skin.
Fish Oils are already in a form that the body can use immediately in
anti-inflammatory pathways.  Seek out a company that has high
standards for testing of the fish oils for toxins and purity.
The "Nordic Naturals" brand is regarded as top notch in this category.
(You may need to check for this brand at speciality natural health
stores or natural pharmacies.)

B-complex vitamins are often mentioned in rosacea treatment.  I found
it made no difference for me.  YOu will have to assess your reaction
to them by trying yourself.

I hope some of this info helps you in your decisions regarding
supplements.
Best wishes,
Shelley


--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <Glew18@a...> wrote:
> Hi everyone I was just looking into supplements I was wondering
does
> anyone take them? I been taking flax seed oil now for a month I
take
> 3000 mg a day I am not sure if that is alot or not. Anyway I was
just
> doing research online and it said to take evening primrose oil,
b12,
> b2, zinc, and vitamin c. I would really like to start taking these
> but I am really not sure where to began. Does anyone take these and
> if they do is there an improvementfrom taking them? I am not sure
on
> the doses. I looked online and it seems im taking a lot of flaxseed
> oil I didnt know that. I am probably hurting myself. I would love
to
> hear from people how much they take of all the stuff and if they
seen
> improvement.... thanks guys always glad to know u guys are here...
>                             have a great holiday Im trying to but
> going in the sun isnt working to well :P

Metrogel seems to be readily available in Canada.  It costs about $60
Cdn including the dispensing fee.  These vary, with WalMart being the
least expensive.  Not sure of the restrictions, but I assume that as
long as you have a prescription they will fill it.

Larraine in Ontario
--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "ninekatz1" <moggiesten@a...>
wrote:
> Since I am not working now and have to pay full price for Metrogel
I
> called about 15 pharmacies in my area.  I got prices for a 45 gram
> tube ranging from $60.00 to $81.00!!!!  Rite Aid was the highest,
by
> the way, with Wal-Mart second to lowest.  Since there is no generic
> for this what do other people without insurance do?  Can I afford
to
> go cold turkey until I get a job?  What about the Canadian
pharmacies-
> -do they stock Metrogel?
>
> Marilyn

Perhaps you mean these posts, Andrew.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/28643
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/28650

Note to all: you need to spell it correctly to be able to search for
it. It is spelt moxonidine, _not_ as in the subject of this message.

davidp.

On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:21:10 -0000, anreid911 <anreid@...> wrote:
>
> I tried moxonidine for a period of around 6 months. It may have been
> moderately effective (difficult to tell to be honest) but for me the
> side-effects were worse than the flushing: Tiredness, spaced-out
> feeling, headaches.
>
> There has also been a scare about Moxonidine's safety, which I think
> rdl000 (Rick) posted about. You may want to search through the
> archives.
>
> Andrew.
>
> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Keisha" <keisha06@y...>
> wrote:
>
>
> > It is an anti-hypertension drug that can inhibit some of the
> > sympathetic flushing (this is per Dr. Nase's - www.drnase.com -
> book
> > which is a great source of information).  He mentions three of
> > these - clonodine, rilmenidine and moxonodine.  I know that the 2nd
> > two are not available in Canada (I'm currently trying to figure out
> > if they will be in the near future but my doctor looked them up and
> > couldn't find anything on them).
> >
> >
> > --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "daisydolittle99"
> > <chorsnall@c...> wrote:
> > > Is this group still active?
> > >
> > > I saw some info about Moxonodine, but I went to a few
> > dermatologists
> > > and they say they never heard of the drug before?
> > >
> > > They have heard of clonodine but not moxonodine??
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any info about moxonodine, or a Dr.'s name that
> > has
> > > heard of it.  Does anyone have any new information on reducing
> > > facial flushing?
> > >
> > > Txs.

I tried moxonidine for a period of around 6 months. It may have been
moderately effective (difficult to tell to be honest) but for me the
side-effects were worse than the flushing: Tiredness, spaced-out
feeling, headaches.

There has also been a scare about Moxonidine's safety, which I think
rdl000 (Rick) posted about. You may want to search through the
archives.

Andrew.

--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Keisha" <keisha06@y...>
wrote:
> It is an anti-hypertension drug that can inhibit some of the
> sympathetic flushing (this is per Dr. Nase's - www.drnase.com -
book
> which is a great source of information).  He mentions three of
> these - clonodine, rilmenidine and moxonodine.  I know that the 2nd
> two are not available in Canada (I'm currently trying to figure out
> if they will be in the near future but my doctor looked them up and
> couldn't find anything on them).
>
>
> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "daisydolittle99"
> <chorsnall@c...> wrote:
> > Is this group still active?
> >
> > I saw some info about Moxonodine, but I went to a few
> dermatologists
> > and they say they never heard of the drug before?
> >
> > They have heard of clonodine but not moxonodine??
> >
> > Does anyone have any info about moxonodine, or a Dr.'s name that
> has
> > heard of it.  Does anyone have any new information on reducing
> > facial flushing?
> >
> > Txs.

All the red spots on my face are not actual bumps. Feeling my skin,
it is completely smooth. But I keep getting red spots that are not
bumps that come and go. Does anyone else get this and if so, does
this still classify as rosacea. Thanks.

I've been using the Linda Sy Vita-Oil for about two weeks now and it's the first
product that has made a serious dent in the dermatitis I have on top of rosacea.
I've had no breakouts and it has not made the rosacea flare-up more than it
normally is. It's also almost eliminated the constant itching I had on the
forehead/eyebrow area. It was literally like sandpaper at times on my forehead
and it's starting to show an improvement. I've been able to eliminate using
Elidel for dermatitis flare-ups.

I'm using Beauty Naturally Rosacea Moisturizing Cream on top of the oil. I've
only been using the cream for a short time, so I'm not sure how it will work
long-term. But so far, so good! I've completely stopped the Metrolotion, so I'll
see what happens. Metro seems to be too irritating. You can get a free sample of
the cream at beautynaturally.com . They also have a facewash, but I haven't
tried it because I'm happy with Zia.

Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend! My big floppy hats have been getting a
good workout :-)

Michelle



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It is an anti-hypertension drug that can inhibit some of the
sympathetic flushing (this is per Dr. Nase's - www.drnase.com - book
which is a great source of information).  He mentions three of
these - clonodine, rilmenidine and moxonodine.  I know that the 2nd
two are not available in Canada (I'm currently trying to figure out
if they will be in the near future but my doctor looked them up and
couldn't find anything on them).


--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "daisydolittle99"
<chorsnall@c...> wrote:
> Is this group still active?
>
> I saw some info about Moxonodine, but I went to a few
dermatologists
> and they say they never heard of the drug before?
>
> They have heard of clonodine but not moxonodine??
>
> Does anyone have any info about moxonodine, or a Dr.'s name that
has
> heard of it.  Does anyone have any new information on reducing
> facial flushing?
>
> Txs.

Hi everyone I was just looking into supplements I was wondering does
anyone take them? I been taking flax seed oil now for a month I take
3000 mg a day I am not sure if that is alot or not. Anyway I was just
doing research online and it said to take evening primrose oil, b12,
b2, zinc, and vitamin c. I would really like to start taking these
but I am really not sure where to began. Does anyone take these and
if they do is there an improvementfrom taking them? I am not sure on
the doses. I looked online and it seems im taking a lot of flaxseed
oil I didnt know that. I am probably hurting myself. I would love to
hear from people how much they take of all the stuff and if they seen
improvement.... thanks guys always glad to know u guys are here...
                             have a great holiday Im trying to but
going in the sun isnt working to well :P

Hang in there.


Life seems worse than you could ever imagine at the minute, and I hear
how hard it is for you.  I can understand your feelings, they are
normal.  You are having to put up with so much and it sounds like it has
been really hard.  I have felt the same way.  Who knows, it seems like
there are a lot of people researching this and with our support maybe
something will happen.
But until then remember no matter what you a human being, and a special
one at that.  Trust me... things will seem better soon...that is for
certain... and you have had the strength to get this far.... you just
have to hold on.  So keep in mind what a strong wonderful person you
are.


If you ever want to talk just email.

Take care.


Paul


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Has anyone had laser treatment for spider veins on their nose in New
York City. Looking for a well reputed doctor or a place. Also, what
is the cost? How long does the area stay red for? Any details would
be welcome.

Also, does having spider veins necessarily imply that I have rosacea.
Thanks. I found the posts on this site very helpful.

(a retinol product found on the Linda Sy website)? I have rosacea,
breakouts, and SUPER SENSITIVE skin. I've also just started using
the Cetaphil cleansing BAR for dry sensitive skin. Has anyone had
any luck with this? I also need recs for an effective non breakout
causing moisturizer. Thanks!

Sunflower


Just wondering if anyone has had redness after useing Noritate for a few weeks..
It seems to have the same effects as Finacea. Can anyone please let me know if
you have had same effects. I notice it doesn't work effectivly when I am upset
aobut something.



Stephanie


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Hi,

I found a short article on Mexoryl based on the 20/20 spot that was
on TV the other night.

URL that will break:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Living/illegal_suncreens_040528.htm
l

Shortcut to above URL:

http://tinyurl.com/2z9vn

Take care,
Matija



--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, PLATOALSO@a... wrote:
> Any rosacea suffers from outside the US able to comment on the
efficacy and
> gentleness of this new sunscreen component?
>
> 20/20 did a short piece on this sunscreen, decrying the fact that
there are
> many cases of cancer from sun's rays each year, yet the FDA has not
even begun
> the approval process.
>
> Any negative effects--burning, irritation ,etc.
>
> What is the trade name of this sunscreen in Canada for those of us
who wish
> to order it?  Is it over the counter in Canada?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

I found this on pubmed regarding TinosorbM.

Take care,
Matija

URL that will break:

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/openurl?
genre=article&sid=nlm:pubmed&issn=0905-
4383&date=2003&volume=19&issue=5&spage=242

Shortcut to URL:
http://tinyurl.com/yso7n


Photodermatology, Photoimmunology & Photomedicine
Volume 19 Issue 5 Page 242  - October 2003
doi:10.1034/j.1600-0781.2003.00045.x


Assessment of the skin photoprotective capacities of an organo-
mineral broad-spectrum sunblock on two ex vivo skin models
Christelle Gélis1,2, Stéphanie Girard2, Alain Mavon2, Maxence
Delverdier3, Nicole Paillous1, Patricia Vicendo1
UV irradiation can cause cutaneous damage that may be specific
according to the wavelength of UV rays. For example, damage from UVB
irradiation manifests itself in the form of sunburn cells and
enhancement of the expression of p53, while damage from UVA exposure
results in an increase in the expression of vimentin. These reactions
to UV irradiation were used in this work to evaluate the
photoprotective capacities of two sunblock preparations that were
applied to the surface of the skin. One sunblock preparation is a UVB
absorber containing zinc oxide (ZnO) and titanium oxide (TiO2)
exclusively. The other sunblock preparation is a new organo-mineral
sunblock containing Tinosorb M, OCM, ZnO and TiO2. Evaluation of the
photoprotective capacities of both preparations on hairless rat skin
and on in vitro reconstructed human epidermis revealed that they were
effective in preventing UVB-induced damage. In contrast, only the
organo-mineral sunblock was effective in the prevention of UVA-
specific damage such as dermal alterations characterized by the
expression of vimentin. Furthermore, our data support the fact that
hairless rat skin and in vitro reconstructed human epidermis are a
reliable basis for the evaluation of the photoprotective capacities
of various sunscreens against UVB and UVA damage.

Hi,

I wanted to share the ingredients of the sunscreen that I use when
I'll be out in the sun for extended periods of time. This sunscreen
does a great job, it's just so darn shiny and a bit oily though it
says it's oil free. However, it does not cause any breakouts. I get
absolutely no color on my skin when I use this sunscreen. Tinosorb M
is not approved by use by the FDA, so that's why I have to buy it at
an European online site. I read it is just as efficacious in
protecting skin from the sun as Mexoryl. Tinosorb M is for sensitive
skin.

For everyday, I use this around my eyes in the hopes of staving off
sun-induced crow's feet.  The rest of my face still gets a good
coating of Dr. Sy's Zinco.
Take care,
Matija

Where I bought it in case you are interested.
URL will break:
http://www.beautycenter.co.uk/fiche_produit.php?
id_rayon=&id_article=3663
>
shortcut to above URL:
http://tinyurl.com/yssfb

Ingredients : Aqua, Tinosorb M, C12-15 alkylbenzoate, diisopropyl
sebacate, methylene bis benzotriazolyl tetramethyl triazone,
cyclomethicone, butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane, octyl triazone, 4-
methylbenzylidene camphor, butyl ocylsalicylate, hexyl laurate,
potassium cetyl phosphate, PVP/eicosene copolymer, nylon-12, glycerol
stearate, PEG-100 stearate, butylene glycol, glycyrrhetinic acid,
glycyrrhiza glabra, nordihydroguaiaretic acid, decyl glucoside,
tocopheryl acetate, diphenyl dimethicone, dextran palmitate,
acrylates/C10-30 alkyl acrylate crosspolymer, PEG-4 dilaurate, PEG-4
laurate, sodium hydroxide, citric acid, iodopropynyl butylcarbamate,
trilinolein, triolein, triarachidin, tripalmitin, tristearin,
disodium EDTA, phenoxyethanol, parabens, BHT, propylene glycol.

Sorry to reply to my own message, but I found the ingredients to the
Anthelios Sunscreen with Mexoryl XL. I notice that rubbing alcohol is
the fifth ingredient.

Ingredients: AQUA, CYCLOPENTASILOXANE, ISONONYL ISONONANOATE,
OCTOCRYLENE, ALCOHOL DENAT., DICAPRYLYL CARBONATE, CYCLOHEXASILOXANE,
GLYCERIN, TITANIUM DIOXIDE, BUTYL METHOXYDIBENZOYLMETHANE, BIS-
ETHYLHEXYLOXYPHENOL, METHOXYPHENYL TRIAZINE, DIMETHICONE, PROPYLENE
GLYCOL, PEG-30 DIPOLYHYDROXYSTEARATE, SILICA, NYLON-12,
POLYMETHYLSILSESQUIOXANE, DROMETRIZOLE TRISILOXANE, ETHYLHEXYL
TRIAZONE, ALUMINA, BUTYLPARABEN, DIPHENYL DIMETHICONE, ETHYLPARABEN,
GLYCINE SOJA, ISOBUTYLPARABEN, LAURYL PEG / PPG-18 / 18 METHICONE,
METHYLPARABEN, PENTASODIUM ETHYLENEDIAMINE TETRAMETHYLENE
PHOSPHONATE, PHENOXYETHANOL, PROPYLPARABEN, TEREPHTHALYLIDENE
DICAMPHOR SULFONIC ACID, TOCOPHEROL, TRIETHANOLAMINE


Hope this helps!
Matija


--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "ruizdelvizo"
<ruizdelvizo@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've heard of this site (and have bought products from them a few
> years ago) carrying the Anthelios sunscreen.
>
> http://www.beautyhabit.com/anthelios.html
>
> I think you can buy a sampler of a couple of different items for
> $9.00, so you can try the Anthelios that way if your are interested.
>
> http://www.beautyhabit.com/bhsample.html
>
> Hope that helps!
> Matija

Hi,

I've heard of this site (and have bought products from them a few
years ago) carrying the Anthelios sunscreen.

http://www.beautyhabit.com/anthelios.html

I think you can buy a sampler of a couple of different items for
$9.00, so you can try the Anthelios that way if your are interested.

http://www.beautyhabit.com/bhsample.html

Hope that helps!
Matija

Hi,

I've had pre-rosacea and rosacea since I've been about 14 years old
and I'm now in my early 40s. I've had pretty bad skin most of my life
and have just recently been able to have somewhat decent skin. Still,
I have had days where I'm just sick of my skin and all the trouble it
has caused. Most of us have been there and then some. Please try to
hang in there. There is a lot in life worth living for. Please let us
know if you are ok. We all really know how it is.

Take care,
Matija



--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "tiago" <tiago_jo@y...> wrote:
> just want to say that this prob has affected my life so much that i
> am planning to commit suicide.. i think there is no hope in my
life..
> i've had enough of treatments and make ups...
> i just wanted to be a normal person
>
>
> WHY ME....

just want to say that this prob has affected my life so much that i
am planning to commit suicide.. i think there is no hope in my life..
i've had enough of treatments and make ups...
i just wanted to be a normal person


WHY ME....

Here are the correct urls to Anthelios L, the Canadian product with
Mexoryl L:
url:
https://www.feelbest.com/shop/product_display.cfm?itemid=350
3357049670

shorcut:
http://tinyurl.com/2z2tw


--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "ruizdelvizo"
<ruizdelvizo@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have tried both the Canadian version of Anthelios L, with Mexoryl
> SX, and the European version of Anthelios XL with Mexoryl XL.
Mexoryl
> XL is supposed to be a better chemical sunscreen protector than
> Mexoryl SX. European sunscreen are supposed to be the best
available
> in the world.
>
> Here is some information on them:
>
> http://www.basiaandcarol.com/summary%20of%20%20sunscreens.htm
>
> I think some of the information may be a bit biased since the
> companies who produce them provide the studies.
>
> At any rate, after a few days use, they all stung my face.  Here is
a
> short review of Anthelios L I wrote a while back:
>
> http://www.escribe.com/health/rosacea-support/m42372.html
>
> Actually, you can buy the European sunscreens in the US. Zitomer, a
> NYC-based drugstore, sells them over the internet.
>
> http://www.zitomer.com
>
> They are more expensive than if you buy them through a European
> online store, e.g.,
>
> http://www.beautycenter.co.uk/
>
> Lastly, I've been trying a European sunscreen that has 100 spf with
a
> chemical sunscreen called Tinosorb M that is equal to the Mexoryls
in
> efficacy.  The good news is that it does not burn my skin and it
> really seems to keep my skin in good shape. It does not cause
> breakouts either. It's really good. The name of it is Photoderm
Spot
> spf 100 and it is made for very sensitive skin:
>
> URL will break:
> http://www.beautycenter.co.uk/fiche_produit.php?
> id_rayon=&id_article=3663
>
> shortcut to above URL:
> http://tinyurl.com/yssfb
>
> The old name of the sunscreen is Photoderm Laser (it is supposed to
> work for those who have Laser treatment), but they just recently
> changed the name to Spot for some unknown reason.
>
> Take care,
> Matija
>
>
>
> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, PLATOALSO@a... wrote:
> > Any rosacea suffers from outside the US able to comment on the
> efficacy and
> > gentleness of this new sunscreen component?
> >
> > 20/20 did a short piece on this sunscreen, decrying the fact that
> there are
> > many cases of cancer from sun's rays each year, yet the FDA has
not
> even begun
> > the approval process.
> >
> > Any negative effects--burning, irritation ,etc.
> >
> > What is the trade name of this sunscreen in Canada for those of
us
> who wish
> > to order it?  Is it over the counter in Canada?
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

I have tried both the Canadian version of Anthelios L, with Mexoryl
SX, and the European version of Anthelios XL with Mexoryl XL. Mexoryl
XL is supposed to be a better chemical sunscreen protector than
Mexoryl SX. European sunscreen are supposed to be the best available
in the world.

Here is some information on them:

http://www.basiaandcarol.com/summary%20of%20%20sunscreens.htm

I think some of the information may be a bit biased since the
companies who produce them provide the studies.

At any rate, after a few days use, they all stung my face.  Here is a
short review of Anthelios L I wrote a while back:

http://www.escribe.com/health/rosacea-support/m42372.html

Actually, you can buy the European sunscreens in the US. Zitomer, a
NYC-based drugstore, sells them over the internet.

http://www.zitomer.com

They are more expensive than if you buy them through a European
online store, e.g.,

http://www.beautycenter.co.uk/

Lastly, I've been trying a European sunscreen that has 100 spf with a
chemical sunscreen called Tinosorb M that is equal to the Mexoryls in
efficacy.  The good news is that it does not burn my skin and it
really seems to keep my skin in good shape. It does not cause
breakouts either. It's really good. The name of it is Photoderm Spot
spf 100 and it is made for very sensitive skin:

URL will break:
http://www.beautycenter.co.uk/fiche_produit.php?
id_rayon=&id_article=3663

shortcut to above URL:
http://tinyurl.com/yssfb

The old name of the sunscreen is Photoderm Laser (it is supposed to
work for those who have Laser treatment), but they just recently
changed the name to Spot for some unknown reason.

Take care,
Matija



--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, PLATOALSO@a... wrote:
> Any rosacea suffers from outside the US able to comment on the
efficacy and
> gentleness of this new sunscreen component?
>
> 20/20 did a short piece on this sunscreen, decrying the fact that
there are
> many cases of cancer from sun's rays each year, yet the FDA has not
even begun
> the approval process.
>
> Any negative effects--burning, irritation ,etc.
>
> What is the trade name of this sunscreen in Canada for those of us
who wish
> to order it?  Is it over the counter in Canada?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jen

When ever I am ill my skin is always 100 times worse than normal so don't
worry. Hopefully you will see a big improvment once you are feeling better!
I am sure most are the same

Natasha


>From: "Jen" <Glew18@...>
>To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [rosacea] question
>Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 14:43:05 -0000
>
>Hi everyone! I have a question... So far I had 5 photoderms done and
>I was doing pretty good. This week I ended up with  a sinus
>infection. My skin was doing well up until yesterday i noticed my
>pores are HUGE again. This was takin care of by the photoderm but it
>seems to be back. Do you think this is permenent again or just from
>being sick. I am petrified that being sick made this progress... :O(
>does anybody have any suggestions or comments? I think I just took a
>few steps back from being happy :O(
>
>
>
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HI , I am needing someone to recommend a good moisturizing face
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I live in a small town and Im very limited on where I can shop for
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