My problem is pimples/pustules on my forehead. I've tried Metrogel,

antibiotics, creams, etc. I'm currently trying a combo of blue/red

light plus Lysine. I've been suffering with this condition alone for

the longest time, and I feel fortunate that I stumbled upon this

support group. I'm hopeful that maybe some of you have been able to

cut through all the BS and gobbledygook on the Internet and from well

meaning physicians to offer up real solutions. I would appreciate any

help that you can offer.



Robert

Robert,

I have had a problem with some pustules and a few pimples also. Once I got them

they literally (esp the pustules) took forever to go away and left behind a

reddish scar. I did try a low dose doxy and that helped minimally. The past

maybe 3 or 4 months I have been using a very low dose Glycolic acid on my face.

I use it only at night after cleansing. It does seem to make me flush for a

little while, but doesn't hurt. Glycolic acid cleans away all the dead skin on

your face. My face has become extremely smooth (maybe you don't care about that)

and less rough, and I have no pimples or pustules at all anymore. Before I would

always be trying to get a new one or get rid of an old one. I attribute it to

the Glycolic acid. I believe if you can really get your skin free of dead skin

whatever products you do use will be more effective. I use MD Forte' lotion I,

which I believe has 10% Glycolic acid. They also make a 15 and 20% which is

probably to much. I also didn't start out using it everyday. But maybe every

other day, I seem to tolerate it fine. Some people will not. It's also very

runny like water, so a bottle of it will last for months and months, and you

don't need to use very much.  Hope this helps.

Lee



   ----- Original Message -----

   From: rmiller32a<mailto:rmiller32@...>

   To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com<mailto:rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com>

   Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:05 PM

   Subject: [rosacea] I'm new; need some help





   My problem is pimples/pustules on my forehead. I've tried Metrogel,

   antibiotics, creams, etc. I'm currently trying a combo of blue/red

   light plus Lysine. I've been suffering with this condition alone for

   the longest time, and I feel fortunate that I stumbled upon this

   support group. I'm hopeful that maybe some of you have been able to

   cut through all the BS and gobbledygook on the Internet and from well

   meaning physicians to offer up real solutions. I would appreciate any

   help that you can offer.



   Robert











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Lee, that one has 15% glycolic acid:



http://skincarerx.com/review_box.html?pid=711



but great that it has helped you!  A while ago I posted a 20% off

coupon for this site, not sure, but it might still work.



I remember reading something about Demodex (which I had Dx'd) not

being able to tolerate acids, so I might give the MD Forte Lotion a

try someday (glycolic is supposed to be great for small lines and

making pores seem smaller).  I currently use Lactisen (Lactic Acid)

from Garden of Wisdom and find that my sensitve skin tolerates it

well, although I don't use it very often (maybe once or twice a week).



In the past few weeks, I have cut down on triggers and am having

pretty good success with Oracea and ZZ cream.



Gabriella







--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "DAVID LEE DURHAM"

<DDavleedurham@...> wrote:

>

> Robert,

> I have had a problem with some pustules and a few pimples also.

Once I got them they literally (esp the pustules) took forever to go

away and left behind a reddish scar. I did try a low dose doxy and

that helped minimally. The past maybe 3 or 4 months I have been using

a very low dose Glycolic acid on my face. I use it only at night

after cleansing. It does seem to make me flush for a little while,

but doesn't hurt. Glycolic acid cleans away all the dead skin on your

face. My face has become extremely smooth (maybe you don't care about

that) and less rough, and I have no pimples or pustules at all

anymore. Before I would always be trying to get a new one or get rid

of an old one. I attribute it to the Glycolic acid. I believe if you

can really get your skin free of dead skin whatever products you do

use will be more effective. I use MD Forte' lotion I, which I believe

has 10% Glycolic acid. They also make a 15 and 20% which is probably

to much. I also didn't start out using it everyday. But maybe every

other day, I seem to tolerate it fine. Some people will not. It's

also very runny like water, so a bottle of it will last for months

and months, and you don't need to use very much.  Hope this helps.

> Lee

>

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: rmiller32a<mailto:rmiller32@...>

>   To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com<mailto:rosacea-

support@yahoogroups.com>

>   Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:05 PM

>   Subject: [rosacea] I'm new; need some help

>

>

>   My problem is pimples/pustules on my forehead. I've tried

Metrogel,

>   antibiotics, creams, etc. I'm currently trying a combo of

blue/red

>   light plus Lysine. I've been suffering with this condition alone

for

>   the longest time, and I feel fortunate that I stumbled upon this

>   support group. I'm hopeful that maybe some of you have been able

to

>   cut through all the BS and gobbledygook on the Internet and from

well

>   meaning physicians to offer up real solutions. I would appreciate

any

>   help that you can offer.

>

>   Robert

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

as regards the MD range, i found them to be incredibly ineffective and

dangerous.



some people try to treat their simple acne problem, and end up with

full blown rosacea.



i would greatly recommend not using MD range at all. a big no-no for

me, just made things worse.



this is an important time for you. there is a bacteria/potential mite

infestation problem to do with the follicles and or sebaceous glands.



if you cause inflammation, it might spread to a "diffuse redness" and

you dont want that.



also, avoid things such as Diet pepsi etc because all those "diet"

drinks are filled with a poison knows as "apartame" ('aspartame' is

supposedly fine until it is left in a warm place for a while during

transport, then becomes a hardcore immune system attacker).



avoid all soy products like tofu, soy milk, for they give many people

health problems and can easily lead to rosacea. i cannot say enough

cautionary remarks about them.



i used to have a bunch of friends who insisted soy was good and things

like dairy or meat were bad, however i started getting better when i

started consuming 'normal western food'. no judgement of food or

culture implied, i just dont believe people in western culture

actually know what soy is, or how to prepare it, or what portions to use.



just as dangerous for fair skinned individuals are: chilli's and

peppers. although they can actually have a good anti-bacterial effect

for asian peoples, they can inflame skin conditions for celtic/nordic

heritage people.



please, please avoid all inflammation, and avoid any doctor who

prescribes MD Forte .. sorry, not wishing to be inflammatory (scuze

the pun), however i just cannot begin to explain how the approach must

be gentle - especially to begin with.



dont continue anything that causes inflammation, and explain to the

doctor you need a calming skin hygiene regime that causes no

inflammation yet effectively deals with any bacteria in the follicles.



cheers



Jasper











--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "gabri_gallo"

<gabri_gallo@...> wrote:

>

> Lee, that one has 15% glycolic acid:

>

> http://skincarerx.com/review_box.html?pid=711

>

> but great that it has helped you!  A while ago I posted a 20% off

> coupon for this site, not sure, but it might still work.

>

> I remember reading something about Demodex (which I had Dx'd) not

> being able to tolerate acids, so I might give the MD Forte Lotion a

> try someday (glycolic is supposed to be great for small lines and

> making pores seem smaller).  I currently use Lactisen (Lactic Acid)

> from Garden of Wisdom and find that my sensitve skin tolerates it

> well, although I don't use it very often (maybe once or twice a week).

>

> In the past few weeks, I have cut down on triggers and am having

> pretty good success with Oracea and ZZ cream.

>

> Gabriella

>

>

>

> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "DAVID LEE DURHAM"

> <DDavleedurham@> wrote:

> >

> > Robert,

> > I have had a problem with some pustules and a few pimples also.

> Once I got them they literally (esp the pustules) took forever to go

> away and left behind a reddish scar. I did try a low dose doxy and

> that helped minimally. The past maybe 3 or 4 months I have been using

> a very low dose Glycolic acid on my face. I use it only at night

> after cleansing. It does seem to make me flush for a little while,

> but doesn't hurt. Glycolic acid cleans away all the dead skin on your

> face. My face has become extremely smooth (maybe you don't care about

> that) and less rough, and I have no pimples or pustules at all

> anymore. Before I would always be trying to get a new one or get rid

> of an old one. I attribute it to the Glycolic acid. I believe if you

> can really get your skin free of dead skin whatever products you do

> use will be more effective. I use MD Forte' lotion I, which I believe

> has 10% Glycolic acid. They also make a 15 and 20% which is probably

> to much. I also didn't start out using it everyday. But maybe every

> other day, I seem to tolerate it fine. Some people will not. It's

> also very runny like water, so a bottle of it will last for months

> and months, and you don't need to use very much.  Hope this helps.

> > Lee

> >

> >   ----- Original Message -----

> >   From: rmiller32a<mailto:rmiller32@>

> >   To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com<mailto:rosacea-

> support@yahoogroups.com>

> >   Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:05 PM

> >   Subject: [rosacea] I'm new; need some help

> >

> >

> >   My problem is pimples/pustules on my forehead. I've tried

> Metrogel,

> >   antibiotics, creams, etc. I'm currently trying a combo of

> blue/red

> >   light plus Lysine. I've been suffering with this condition alone

> for

> >   the longest time, and I feel fortunate that I stumbled upon this

> >   support group. I'm hopeful that maybe some of you have been able

> to

> >   cut through all the BS and gobbledygook on the Internet and from

> well

> >   meaning physicians to offer up real solutions. I would appreciate

> any

> >   help that you can offer.

> >

> >   Robert

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

Robert, what do you use to cleanse?  How often?  And how about your

moisturizer?



How long have you used the light?  How about the Lysine?



Any chance your derm would be willing to check for demodex (take a skin

scraping and look at it under a microscope).  Mine did and it made a

big difference in P & P (I'd say at least 50% improvement, if not

70%).  I'm now taking oracea and treating 1-2 xdaily with ZZ cream, as

I believe the remaining P & P could be still be demodex (not all gone,

or being reinfected).  Not sure, but this is what makes sense to me at

right now.



Good luck to you!



Gabriella





--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "rmiller32a" <rmiller32@...>

wrote:

>

> My problem is pimples/pustules on my forehead. I've tried Metrogel,

> antibiotics, creams, etc. I'm currently trying a combo of blue/red

> light plus Lysine. I've been suffering with this condition alone for

> the longest time, and I feel fortunate that I stumbled upon this

> support group. I'm hopeful that maybe some of you have been able to

> cut through all the BS and gobbledygook on the Internet and from well

> meaning physicians to offer up real solutions. I would appreciate any

> help that you can offer.

>

> Robert

>

Gabriella/Lee,



Many thanks for your responses! I've been using the blu/red light treatments

at home for a few weeks. Previously, I had them in the Derm's office along

with laser treatments. They worked fine, but only for a very short time,

like one week. I finally reached the point where I had to strike out on my

own here. I've been taking Lysine for about a week, 1000mg 1x/day.



I am just learning about Demodex mites. Is this proven or all theoretical?

Who makes the ZZ cream and where can I buy it?



Robert





On 1/3/09, gabri_gallo <gabri_gallo@...> wrote:

>

>   Robert, what do you use to cleanse? How often? And how about your

> moisturizer?

>

> How long have you used the light? How about the Lysine?

>

> Any chance your derm would be willing to check for demodex (take a skin

> scraping and look at it under a microscope). Mine did and it made a

> big difference in P & P (I'd say at least 50% improvement, if not

> 70%). I'm now taking oracea and treating 1-2 xdaily with ZZ cream, as

> I believe the remaining P & P could be still be demodex (not all gone,

> or being reinfected). Not sure, but this is what makes sense to me at

> right now.

>

> Good luck to you!

>

> Gabriella

>

> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com <rosacea-support%40yahoogroups.com>,

> "rmiller32a" <rmiller32@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > My problem is pimples/pustules on my forehead. I've tried Metrogel,

> > antibiotics, creams, etc. I'm currently trying a combo of blue/red

> > light plus Lysine. I've been suffering with this condition alone for

> > the longest time, and I feel fortunate that I stumbled upon this

> > support group. I'm hopeful that maybe some of you have been able to

> > cut through all the BS and gobbledygook on the Internet and from well

> > meaning physicians to offer up real solutions. I would appreciate any

> > help that you can offer.

> >

> > Robert

> >

>

>

>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Robert,



Not sure what you mean by "proven", but here's my experience: I knew

something was wrong with my skin, but could not get a diagnosis.  I

had heard of demodex (researching on the Internet) and thought, okay,

possibly that's what I have, but I had no way of knowing.  I live in

the SF Bay area and had been to several derms who I thought would be

good and could help me figure out what was wrong with my skin.  One

thought I had Seb. Derm and prescribed cortisone (which I read up on

and decided not to use).  Another thought I had acne and prescribed

oral and topical antibiotics, which I tried for 2 months, with no

improvement.



Finally I found a derm who looked and listened carefully.  When she

was done examining and interviewing me and was about to start writing

an Rx for metrogel or something we'd start out with, she looked at me

one more time and asked could she take some scrapings of my skin.  I

said, "Please do!"   As she did, she started to expain about demodex

and I told her I had heard of that.  Minutes later she was back and

told me that yes, she had much more than average (actually she said

more than she had ever seen!) on my skin and gave me an Rx for Rosac

to use 2x a day.  It was quite harsh (very drying and irritating to

my skin) and I had a hard time using it 2 x a day.  In the meantime I

also ordered ZZ cream, which takes about 10 days to come.  When I got

it I started alternating with the ZZ cream.  A month later she

switched me to Permethrin, which I used 1 x a week for a month.  When

I went back, she checked and found no demodex.  My skin has improved

significantly and I am quite certain that demodex was a big factor.



Demodex Solutions sells ZZ cream and so does theJamuShop.com (might

be a better deal as shipping is free).  The Demodex Solutions website

also has a message board that you may or may not find helpful.  Their

website seems hokey, but the cream actually seems to help (me).  I

think I will keep using it for a few more months and see what happens

(this is how long most people say it takes to get complete clearing).



Hope this helps.



Gabriella





--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Miller"

<rmiller32@...> wrote:

>

> Gabriella/Lee,

>

> Many thanks for your responses! I've been using the blu/red light

treatments

> at home for a few weeks. Previously, I had them in the Derm's

office along

> with laser treatments. They worked fine, but only for a very short

time,

> like one week. I finally reached the point where I had to strike

out on my

> own here. I've been taking Lysine for about a week, 1000mg 1x/day.

>

> I am just learning about Demodex mites. Is this proven or all

theoretical?

> Who makes the ZZ cream and where can I buy it?

>

> Robert

>

>

> On 1/3/09, gabri_gallo <gabri_gallo@...> wrote:

> >

> >   Robert, what do you use to cleanse? How often? And how about

your

> > moisturizer?

> >

> > How long have you used the light? How about the Lysine?

> >

> > Any chance your derm would be willing to check for demodex (take

a skin

> > scraping and look at it under a microscope). Mine did and it made

a

> > big difference in P & P (I'd say at least 50% improvement, if not

> > 70%). I'm now taking oracea and treating 1-2 xdaily with ZZ

cream, as

> > I believe the remaining P & P could be still be demodex (not all

gone,

> > or being reinfected). Not sure, but this is what makes sense to

me at

> > right now.

> >

> > Good luck to you!

> >

> > Gabriella

> >

> > --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com <rosacea-support%

40yahoogroups.com>,

> > "rmiller32a" <rmiller32@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > My problem is pimples/pustules on my forehead. I've tried

Metrogel,

> > > antibiotics, creams, etc. I'm currently trying a combo of

blue/red

> > > light plus Lysine. I've been suffering with this condition

alone for

> > > the longest time, and I feel fortunate that I stumbled upon this

> > > support group. I'm hopeful that maybe some of you have been

able to

> > > cut through all the BS and gobbledygook on the Internet and

from well

> > > meaning physicians to offer up real solutions. I would

appreciate any

> > > help that you can offer.

> > >

> > > Robert

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>