I had a read over that article and the section on 'superbugs' caught my

attention, it may just be co-incidence but could possibly be related...



I have been wanting to test the demodex theory for a while. I have not been

willing to try the ZZ ointment, and when I started reading about succesful

killing of demodex with Tea Tree Oil (TTO), I looked into some facial products

containing it. Since October 1st I have been using the body shops foaming facial

wash with TTO and shortly after I also started using their mattifying Moisture

Gel with TTO. I tried to ffind out the concentrations used but I dont think it

is listed (I have sent an e-mail to ask). These are the products...

http://www.thebodyshop.com.au/Product.aspx?Id=45

http://www.thebodyshop.com.au/Product.aspx?Id=47

 

In the article you posted this sentence grabbed my attention...

 

"It has also been revealed that tea tree oil in cosmetics and creams could

increase the chances of catching 'superbug' infections in hospital. Exposure to

low doses of the oil made pathogens such as MRSA, E.coli and salmonella more

resistant to antibiotics."

 

It may just be coincidence but on the fourth of November I contracted salmonella

(confirmed with the doctor taking a sample of the stool) and had to take a week

off work, it was pretty bad. I also had similar symptons the following week. I

dont know if it was a flare or due to something else. I googled TTO and

Salmonella and found a couple of other articles.

 

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?level=4&id=11007

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-436367/Tea-tree-oil-make-superbugs-str\

onger.html

 

Taken from the three articles, Apparently concentrations of <1% are recommended

for safety (relating to hormone regulation I figured) However, it is also

advised that concentration of <4% should not be used when relating to bacteria

as this does not kill them, only switched on their defense mechanisms and makes

them more resistant to antibiotics. I wonder if concentrations <4% also switches

on their immune system and makes bacteria more resistant to our immune system?

 

It seems to be nearly a lose/lose situation according to those articles.

Concentrations high enough to kill the bacteria can possibly affect hormone

balances, however concentrations low enough to escape the hormone problem will

only make the bacteria more resistant to antibiotic treatment, and possibly our

own immune system?.

 

I'll have to do some more research before I make a decision but I have to admit

that I am really disappointed and thought I had something (TTO) which would test

the demodex theory easily.

 

Do you (Jasper) or anyone else out there know of any facial products that are

safe and are known to kill off the demodex mite?

 

Thanks

Matt.

-------------------------------------------------------------

 

quick link:

http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ 2007/feb/ 18/medicineandhe alth.health



i do realise now it is much easier to show evidence from other

sources, rather than to try and convince via interaction.



j





Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

basically, to try and eradicate demodex entirely is not actually the

way forward, believe it or not ... the are too tough and the skin and

body is too human to stand up to

(a) the attack against the demodex

(b) the extreme response of the arachnids being attacked in their

follicle homes



the only safe way is to slowly cleanse the herd of demodex, and do

that by removing all food. that means, your ears have to be clean, the

sinus must be clean.. etc.



one easy place to start: ears. one place you can really have a good

attack on the demodex, if you want to.



"Aqua Ear" is a substance called Glacial Acid .. and arachnids cannot

bear acid; that is why crows will jump on a bull ant nest, and allow

the ants to bite it, for the hyrdochoric acid in their bite to fry the

demodex away, out of its wings, etc. a radical move on the crow's behalf.



in fact, pouring acid into one's ear is quite radical too, just dont

get any on the face. some rosacea affected people will not be able to

handle it, although i hope most can, as the ears feed many demodex and

are a sure haven of safety.



try to keep the glacial acid in there for four minutes .. two is okay.



demodex are not nearly as active if they are not infected by bacteria.



why? well, arachnids are tough, but they have an exoskeleton.

difficult to explain, but 8-legged hard shelled creatures, once

infected by bacteria, are totally controlled from that point on.



for example, there is a type of bacteria that attacks crabs, goes for

the male Swimmer crab .. the bacteria grows a pollen sac on the

outside of the crab's shell, and the male crab cares for it, and then

when the 'pollen spores' or whatever they are, ready to germinate, the

male crab swims off to find the best currents, and then does specific

waving actions that exactly mirror the female's when she is

distributing her recently born crabs out to the ocean.





so, the mission is, to get rid of the demodex that are controlled by

the bacteria.



slowly, but surely, this is achieved in a variety of ways.





as regards Tea Tree oil in toothpaste or shaving cream, question from

a previous poster ... no, no, no ... massive big warnings, this

substance is not to be touched.



and dont ever believe anyone who tells you it is an ancient recipe ..

not the way it is prepared today, not at all .. it is a recent,

experimental, toxic substance and many thousands of people around the

world are experiencing sickness every day because of low-diluted

amounts of Tea Tree oil in their products. (let alone the high TTO

content preparations).





a cool calming cleanser could be:



la roche toleriane non-foaming sensitive cleanser milk .. very nice,

the best, almost, especially if the skin is hypersensive.



you have to keep the eyelids clean.



also, use Clearasil Vanishing as general topical anti-biotic. demodex

do not know what it is. however, if you try using Metrogel, well, most

Demodex will detect that as a direct attack on the bacteria infection,

and therefore the bacteria infection in the arachnid's gut. will

demand the most overbearing of responses - hence all the nasty

reactions to that one.



anyway, Clearasil Ultra can be used to dab on spots. it is acid, and

frys them. the Vanishing cream merely helps keep the environment clean

as the fried demodex are ferried out of there.







regards



Jasper

You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO.   I finally buy

the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly FANTASTIC, I have

relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS!  IT's like a nasty cosmic

joke!   I don't know what the heck to do now!



Really bummed out,

Elena



--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Matthew I <mtthw_i@...> wrote:



From: Matthew I <mtthw_i@...>

Subject: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:03 PM













I had a read over that article and the section on 'superbugs' caught my

attention, it may just be co-incidence but could possibly be related...



I have been wanting to test the demodex theory for a while. I have not been

willing to try the ZZ ointment, and when I started reading about succesful

killing of demodex with Tea Tree Oil (TTO), I looked into some facial products

containing it. Since October 1st I have been using the body shops foaming facial

wash with TTO and shortly after I also started using their mattifying Moisture

Gel with TTO. I tried to ffind out the concentrations used but I dont think it

is listed (I have sent an e-mail to ask). These are the products...

http://www.thebodys hop.com.au/ Product.aspx? Id=45

http://www.thebodys hop.com.au/ Product.aspx? Id=47

 

In the article you posted this sentence grabbed my attention...

 

"It has also been revealed that tea tree oil in cosmetics and creams could

increase the chances of catching 'superbug' infections in hospital. Exposure to

low doses of the oil made pathogens such as MRSA, E.coli and salmonella more

resistant to antibiotics. "

 

It may just be coincidence but on the fourth of November I contracted salmonella

(confirmed with the doctor taking a sample of the stool) and had to take a week

off work, it was pretty bad. I also had similar symptons the following week. I

dont know if it was a flare or due to something else. I googled TTO and

Salmonella and found a couple of other articles.

 

http://www.irishhea lth.com/article. html?level= 4&id=11007

http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/health/ article-436367/ Tea-tree- oil-make-

superbugs- stronger. html

 

Taken from the three articles, Apparently concentrations of <1% are recommended

for safety (relating to hormone regulation I figured) However, it is also

advised that concentration of <4% should not be used when relating to bacteria

as this does not kill them, only switched on their defense mechanisms and makes

them more resistant to antibiotics. I wonder if concentrations <4% also switches

on their immune system and makes bacteria more resistant to our immune system?

 

It seems to be nearly a lose/lose situation according to those articles.

Concentrations high enough to kill the bacteria can possibly affect hormone

balances, however concentrations low enough to escape the hormone problem will

only make the bacteria more resistant to antibiotic treatment, and possibly our

own immune system?.

 

I'll have to do some more research before I make a decision but I have to admit

that I am really disappointed and thought I had something (TTO) which would test

the demodex theory easily.

 

Do you (Jasper) or anyone else out there know of any facial products that are

safe and are known to kill off the demodex mite?

 

Thanks

Matt.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

 

quick link:

http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ 2007/feb/ 18/medicineandhe alth.health



i do realise now it is much easier to show evidence from other

sources, rather than to try and convince via interaction.



j



Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look

http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

that's exactly the reason i am upset about it too. i was just about to

buy Blemish Redness Control. maybe they could be asked for a

non-tea-tree oil version? if a petition of one hundred people were

sent to them, they may consider it.



i only mention because the actual founder of Purple Emu herself had to

deal with rosacea, and may be aware of the range of issues faced when

attempting to remove rosacea. im not sure how to convince, although i

would really like to be someone who helps get good things done, rather

than just being a nay-sayer.







j















--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Elena Mutter <emgm42000@...>

wrote:

>

> You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO.   I

finally buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly

FANTASTIC, I have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS!

IT's like a nasty cosmic joke!   I don't know what the heck to do now!

>

> Really bummed out,

> Elena

>

> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Matthew I <mtthw_i@...> wrote:

>

> From: Matthew I <mtthw_i@...>

> Subject: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

> To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:03 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I had a read over that article and the section on 'superbugs' caught

my attention, it may just be co-incidence but could possibly be related...

>

> I have been wanting to test the demodex theory for a while. I have

not been willing to try the ZZ ointment, and when I started reading

about succesful killing of demodex with Tea Tree Oil (TTO), I looked

into some facial products containing it. Since October 1st I have been

using the body shops foaming facial wash with TTO and shortly after I

also started using their mattifying Moisture Gel with TTO. I tried to

ffind out the concentrations used but I dont think it is listed (I

have sent an e-mail to ask). These are the products...

> http://www.thebodys hop.com.au/ Product.aspx? Id=45

> http://www.thebodys hop.com.au/ Product.aspx? Id=47

>  

> In the article you posted this sentence grabbed my attention...

>  

> "It has also been revealed that tea tree oil in cosmetics and creams

could increase the chances of catching 'superbug' infections in

hospital. Exposure to low doses of the oil made pathogens such as

MRSA, E.coli and salmonella more resistant to antibiotics. "

>  

> It may just be coincidence but on the fourth of November I

contracted salmonella (confirmed with the doctor taking a sample of

the stool) and had to take a week off work, it was pretty bad. I also

had similar symptons the following week. I dont know if it was a flare

or due to something else. I googled TTO and Salmonella and found a

couple of other articles.

>  

> http://www.irishhea lth.com/article. html?level= 4&id=11007

> http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/health/ article-436367/ Tea-tree-

oil-make- superbugs- stronger. html

>  

> Taken from the three articles, Apparently concentrations of <1% are

recommended for safety (relating to hormone regulation I figured)

However, it is also advised that concentration of <4% should not be

used when relating to bacteria as this does not kill them, only

switched on their defense mechanisms and makes them more resistant to

antibiotics. I wonder if concentrations <4% also switches on their

immune system and makes bacteria more resistant to our immune system?

>  

> It seems to be nearly a lose/lose situation according to those

articles. Concentrations high enough to kill the bacteria can possibly

affect hormone balances, however concentrations low enough to escape

the hormone problem will only make the bacteria more resistant to

antibiotic treatment, and possibly our own immune system?.

>  

> I'll have to do some more research before I make a decision but I

have to admit that I am really disappointed and thought I had

something (TTO) which would test the demodex theory easily.

>  

> Do you (Jasper) or anyone else out there know of any facial products

that are safe and are known to kill off the demodex mite?

>  

> Thanks

> Matt.

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>  

> quick link:

> http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ 2007/feb/ 18/medicineandhe

alth.health

>

> i do realise now it is much easier to show evidence from other

> sources, rather than to try and convince via interaction.

>

> j

>

> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.

Take a look http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

also, OT, another note of irritation on my behalf - i found something

great called Brolene Gel that cured my eyes of rosacea (in combination

with other treatments, cleaning regimes and supplements).



the chemist told me it was going out of production. not believing my

ears, i went to another chemist .. they had plenty! they said it was

fine, no worries! i bought a couple of tubes just in case.



return to buy more, thinking .. hmm, better get supplies ... and ..

nothing. "oh sorry they actually DID go out of production after all ..

silly us!"



anyways ... fat least i can use "No More Tears", a lipoic spray for

eyelids .. must allow it to dry for at least a minute on the lids,

otherwise it might drip and irritate the eye.



as regards the fact that i have brought information to the group that

may not please some members, can i just take a moment to say this: do

not shoot the messenger.



i have been a part of this group since 2002, and i had to leave the

group for a time, as i was abused by three different people in regards

to a fellow called "ghost cat", an unscrupulous underhanded spammer,

whom i called out as a scammer.



just mentioning, in case anyone thinks it is fine to hassle me - it

ain't.





i only bring this information to the group because i think it is time

for the truth to come out.



i have provided a number of solutions .. especially the clearasil

'vanishing' and 'ultra' combo which can work great, but no-one has

asked me about that. no one asks me about the burdock solution etc ..



what i am trying to do here is gently explain that if i bring info to

the group, i am not willing to listen ot any whingeing and "heck this"

or "heck that". seriously, i am not here to cause irritation at all,

and i do not wish to be painted in that light at all, not even one

percent, THANKYOU.









j









--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "jasper_vader"

<jasper_vader@...> wrote:

>

> that's exactly the reason i am upset about it too. i was just about to

> buy Blemish Redness Control. maybe they could be asked for a

> non-tea-tree oil version? if a petition of one hundred people were

> sent to them, they may consider it.

>

> i only mention because the actual founder of Purple Emu herself had to

> deal with rosacea, and may be aware of the range of issues faced when

> attempting to remove rosacea. im not sure how to convince, although i

> would really like to be someone who helps get good things done, rather

> than just being a nay-sayer.

>

>

>

> j

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Elena Mutter <emgm42000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO.   I

> finally buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly

> FANTASTIC, I have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS!

> IT's like a nasty cosmic joke!   I don't know what the heck to do

now!

> >

> > Really bummed out,

> > Elena

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Matthew I <mtthw_i@> wrote:

> >

> > From: Matthew I <mtthw_i@>

> > Subject: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

> > To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:03 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I had a read over that article and the section on 'superbugs' caught

> my attention, it may just be co-incidence but could possibly be

related...

> >

> > I have been wanting to test the demodex theory for a while. I have

> not been willing to try the ZZ ointment, and when I started reading

> about succesful killing of demodex with Tea Tree Oil (TTO), I looked

> into some facial products containing it. Since October 1st I have been

> using the body shops foaming facial wash with TTO and shortly after I

> also started using their mattifying Moisture Gel with TTO. I tried to

> ffind out the concentrations used but I dont think it is listed (I

> have sent an e-mail to ask). These are the products...

> > http://www.thebodys hop.com.au/ Product.aspx? Id=45

> > http://www.thebodys hop.com.au/ Product.aspx? Id=47

> >  

> > In the article you posted this sentence grabbed my attention...

> >  

> > "It has also been revealed that tea tree oil in cosmetics and creams

> could increase the chances of catching 'superbug' infections in

> hospital. Exposure to low doses of the oil made pathogens such as

> MRSA, E.coli and salmonella more resistant to antibiotics. "

> >  

> > It may just be coincidence but on the fourth of November I

> contracted salmonella (confirmed with the doctor taking a sample of

> the stool) and had to take a week off work, it was pretty bad. I also

> had similar symptons the following week. I dont know if it was a flare

> or due to something else. I googled TTO and Salmonella and found a

> couple of other articles.

> >  

> > http://www.irishhea lth.com/article. html?level= 4&id=11007

> > http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/health/ article-436367/ Tea-tree-

> oil-make- superbugs- stronger. html

> >  

> > Taken from the three articles, Apparently concentrations of <1% are

> recommended for safety (relating to hormone regulation I figured)

> However, it is also advised that concentration of <4% should not be

> used when relating to bacteria as this does not kill them, only

> switched on their defense mechanisms and makes them more resistant to

> antibiotics. I wonder if concentrations <4% also switches on their

> immune system and makes bacteria more resistant to our immune system?

> >  

> > It seems to be nearly a lose/lose situation according to those

> articles. Concentrations high enough to kill the bacteria can possibly

> affect hormone balances, however concentrations low enough to escape

> the hormone problem will only make the bacteria more resistant to

> antibiotic treatment, and possibly our own immune system?.

> >  

> > I'll have to do some more research before I make a decision but I

> have to admit that I am really disappointed and thought I had

> something (TTO) which would test the demodex theory easily.

> >  

> > Do you (Jasper) or anyone else out there know of any facial products

> that are safe and are known to kill off the demodex mite?

> >  

> > Thanks

> > Matt.

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >  

> > quick link:

> > http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ 2007/feb/ 18/medicineandhe

> alth.health

> >

> > i do realise now it is much easier to show evidence from other

> > sources, rather than to try and convince via interaction.

> >

> > j

> >

> > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.

> Take a look http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

Jasper,

 

Hey, I am all for any info or advice you have to give. I can't speak for anyone

else, but I personally don't take offense to how someone presents something or

says something.  I don't know what you did to upset anyone but as far as I am

conerned, say what you want how ever it is you say it. I am just so grateful for

the research you've done and taken the time to share it with others.  I don't

wear my feelings on my sleeve so I don't get my feelings hurt too easily. :)  I

don't expect anyone to talk in a way that I think they should talk. Just be

yourself!!! And again, thanks.  Wow, I hope I hope no one takes offense to

that.  Happy New Year to all!!!





Sherrell-Lynn



--- On Wed, 12/31/08, jasper_vader <jasper_vader@...> wrote:



From: jasper_vader <jasper_vader@...>

Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 2:06 PM



also, OT, another note of irritation on my behalf - i found something

great called Brolene Gel that cured my eyes of rosacea (in combination

with other treatments, cleaning regimes and supplements).



the chemist told me it was going out of production. not believing my

ears, i went to another chemist .. they had plenty! they said it was

fine, no worries! i bought a couple of tubes just in case.



return to buy more, thinking .. hmm, better get supplies ... and ..

nothing. "oh sorry they actually DID go out of production after all ..

silly us!"



anyways ... fat least i can use "No More Tears", a lipoic spray for

eyelids .. must allow it to dry for at least a minute on the lids,

otherwise it might drip and irritate the eye.



as regards the fact that i have brought information to the group that

may not please some members, can i just take a moment to say this: do

not shoot the messenger.



i have been a part of this group since 2002, and i had to leave the

group for a time, as i was abused by three different people in regards

to a fellow called "ghost cat", an unscrupulous underhanded spammer,

whom i called out as a scammer.



just mentioning, in case anyone thinks it is fine to hassle me - it

ain't.





i only bring this information to the group because i think it is time

for the truth to come out.



i have provided a number of solutions .. especially the clearasil

'vanishing' and 'ultra' combo which can work great, but no-one

has

asked me about that. no one asks me about the burdock solution etc ..



what i am trying to do here is gently explain that if i bring info to

the group, i am not willing to listen ot any whingeing and "heck

this"

or "heck that". seriously, i am not here to cause irritation at all,

and i do not wish to be painted in that light at all, not even one

percent, THANKYOU.









j









--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "jasper_vader"

<jasper_vader@...> wrote:

>

> that's exactly the reason i am upset about it too. i was just about to

> buy Blemish Redness Control. maybe they could be asked for a

> non-tea-tree oil version? if a petition of one hundred people were

> sent to them, they may consider it.

>

> i only mention because the actual founder of Purple Emu herself had to

> deal with rosacea, and may be aware of the range of issues faced when

> attempting to remove rosacea. im not sure how to convince, although i

> would really like to be someone who helps get good things done, rather

> than just being a nay-sayer.

>

>

>

> j

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Elena Mutter <emgm42000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO.

I

> finally buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly

> FANTASTIC, I have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS!

> IT's like a nasty cosmic joke!   I don't know what the heck to do

now!

> >

> > Really bummed out,

> > Elena

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Matthew I <mtthw_i@> wrote:

> >

> > From: Matthew I <mtthw_i@>

> > Subject: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil &

Salmonella

> > To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:03 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I had a read over that article and the section on 'superbugs'

caught

> my attention, it may just be co-incidence but could possibly be

related...

> >

> > I have been wanting to test the demodex theory for a while. I have

> not been willing to try the ZZ ointment, and when I started reading

> about succesful killing of demodex with Tea Tree Oil (TTO), I looked

> into some facial products containing it. Since October 1st I have been

> using the body shops foaming facial wash with TTO and shortly after I

> also started using their mattifying Moisture Gel with TTO. I tried to

> ffind out the concentrations used but I dont think it is listed (I

> have sent an e-mail to ask). These are the products...

> > http://www.thebodys hop.com.au/ Product.aspx? Id=45

> > http://www.thebodys hop.com.au/ Product.aspx? Id=47

> >  

> > In the article you posted this sentence grabbed my attention...

> >  

> > "It has also been revealed that tea tree oil in cosmetics and

creams

> could increase the chances of catching 'superbug' infections in

> hospital. Exposure to low doses of the oil made pathogens such as

> MRSA, E.coli and salmonella more resistant to antibiotics. "

> >  

> > It may just be coincidence but on the fourth of November I

> contracted salmonella (confirmed with the doctor taking a sample of

> the stool) and had to take a week off work, it was pretty bad. I also

> had similar symptons the following week. I dont know if it was a flare

> or due to something else. I googled TTO and Salmonella and found a

> couple of other articles.

> >  

> > http://www.irishhea lth.com/article. html?level= 4&id=11007

> > http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/health/ article-436367/ Tea-tree-

> oil-make- superbugs- stronger. html

> >  

> > Taken from the three articles, Apparently concentrations of <1%

are

> recommended for safety (relating to hormone regulation I figured)

> However, it is also advised that concentration of <4% should not be

> used when relating to bacteria as this does not kill them, only

> switched on their defense mechanisms and makes them more resistant to

> antibiotics. I wonder if concentrations <4% also switches on their

> immune system and makes bacteria more resistant to our immune system?

> >  

> > It seems to be nearly a lose/lose situation according to those

> articles. Concentrations high enough to kill the bacteria can possibly

> affect hormone balances, however concentrations low enough to escape

> the hormone problem will only make the bacteria more resistant to

> antibiotic treatment, and possibly our own immune system?.

> >  

> > I'll have to do some more research before I make a decision but I

> have to admit that I am really disappointed and thought I had

> something (TTO) which would test the demodex theory easily.

> >  

> > Do you (Jasper) or anyone else out there know of any facial products

> that are safe and are known to kill off the demodex mite?

> >  

> > Thanks

> > Matt.

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >  

> > quick link:

> > http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ 2007/feb/ 18/medicineandhe

> alth.health

> >

> > i do realise now it is much easier to show evidence from other

> > sources, rather than to try and convince via interaction.

> >

> > j

> >

> > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.

> Take a look http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

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Sherrell, you are very kind, thanks for putting me at ease.



perception of how others perceive me has been one of the most

difficult factors for me to overcome..



i get scared by aggressive reactions from others, and sometimes do my

best to foil any negativity even before it happens .. overly much.



thanks again, and a happy new year to all,





Jasper









--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Sherrell-Lynn Johnson

<deputyfred1@...> wrote:

>

> Jasper,

>  

> Hey, I am all for any info or advice you have to give. I can't speak

for anyone else, but I personally don't take offense to how someone

presents something or says something.  I don't know what you did to

upset anyone but as far as I am conerned, say what you want how ever

it is you say it. I am just so grateful for the research you've done

and taken the time to share it with others.  I don't wear my

feelings on my sleeve so I don't get my feelings hurt too easily. :) 

I don't expect anyone to talk in a way that I think they should talk.

Just be yourself!!! And again, thanks.  Wow, I hope I hope no one

takes offense to that.  Happy New Year to all!!!

>

>

Jasper,

 

Just one more note on the last email......how other people percieve you isn't

your responsibility.  You should be you...plain and simple.  I can't imagine

everyone acting, saying and sounding the same way....BORING!!    I feel that

when others want to change someones way of doing something it has alot to do

with control.  Rem the old saying:  You can please some of the people some of

the time but not all the people all the time.  So why stress yourself trying to

do the impossible. 

 

Thanks again for the time you put into to the group.  I look foward to your

input.  Have a great New Year!!

 

Sherrell-Lynn

 

 

 





 

 

 

 

 

 

 



--- On Wed, 12/31/08, jasper_vader <jasper_vader@...> wrote:



From: jasper_vader <jasper_vader@...>

Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:17 PM



Sherrell, you are very kind, thanks for putting me at ease.



perception of how others perceive me has been one of the most

difficult factors for me to overcome..



i get scared by aggressive reactions from others, and sometimes do my

best to foil any negativity even before it happens .. overly much.



thanks again, and a happy new year to all,





Jasper









--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Sherrell-Lynn Johnson

<deputyfred1@...> wrote:

>

> Jasper,

>  

> Hey, I am all for any info or advice you have to give. I can't speak

for anyone else, but I personally don't take offense to how someone

presents something or says something.  I don't know what you did to

upset anyone but as far as I am conerned, say what you want how ever

it is you say it. I am just so grateful for the research you've done

and taken the time to share it with others.  I don't wear my

feelings on my sleeve so I don't get my feelings hurt too easily. :) 

I don't expect anyone to talk in a way that I think they should talk.

Just be yourself!!! And again, thanks.  Wow, I hope I hope no one

takes offense to that.  Happy New Year to all!!!

>

>







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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

nice one sherrell .. actually in this case it was mostly concern about

aggressive emails from aggressive people. totally unwanted type of

attention. anyway thanks for your kind words, have a great new year.





j



--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Sherrell-Lynn Johnson

<deputyfred1@...> wrote:

>

> Jasper,

> �

> Just one more note on the last email......how other people percieve

you isn't your responsibility.� You should be you...plain and simple.�

I can't imagine everyone acting, saying and sounding the same

way....BORING!!� � I feel that when others want to change someones way

of doing something it has alot to do with control.� Rem the old

saying:� You can please some of the people some of the time but not

all the people all the time.� So why stress yourself trying to do the

impossible.�

> �

> Thanks again for the time you put into to the group.� I look foward

to your input.� Have a great New Year!!

> �

> Sherrell-Lynn

> �

> �

> �

>

>

> �

> �

> �

> �

> �

> �

> �

>

> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, jasper_vader <jasper_vader@...> wrote:

>

> From: jasper_vader <jasper_vader@...>

> Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

> To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:17 PM

>

> Sherrell, you are very kind, thanks for putting me at ease.

>

> perception of how others perceive me has been one of the most

> difficult factors for me to overcome..

>

> i get scared by aggressive reactions from others, and sometimes do my

> best to foil any negativity even before it happens .. overly much.

>

> thanks again, and a happy new year to all,

>

>

> Jasper

>

>

>

>

> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Sherrell-Lynn Johnson

> <deputyfred1@> wrote:

> >

> > Jasper,

> > �

> > Hey, I am all for any info or advice you have to give. I can't speak

> for anyone else, but I personally don't take offense to how someone

> presents something or says something.� I don't know what you did to

> upset anyone but as far as I am conerned, say what you want how ever

> it is you say it. I am just so grateful for the research you've done

> and taken the time to share it with others.� I don't wear my

> feelings�on my�sleeve so I don't get my feelings hurt too easily. :)�

> I don't expect anyone to talk in a way that I think they should talk.

> Just be yourself!!! And again, thanks.� Wow, I hope I hope no one

> takes offense to that.� Happy New Year to all!!!

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> --

> NEW!: Rosacea Support Community http://rosacea-support.org/community

> Resource Pages: http://rosacea-research.org/wiki

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Personally, I'm sticking with the Redness - it works.  I only use so very

little every couple of days now and I'd rather not go back the way I was on

the off chance that the infinitesimal amount on my skin could cause a

reaction, maybe, someday?  We ingest more chemicals and garbage in a normal

days food than that.



I just can't go back.  To each his own I guess??



Woody







From: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elena Mutter

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:53 AM

To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella







You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I finally

buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly FANTASTIC, I

have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS! IT's like a nasty

cosmic joke! I don't know what the heck to do now!



Really bummed out,

Elena













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Amen to that Woody!   I'm still on the fence about the dangers of TTO.  Can't

say I'm buying into it all.   There are tons of foods that mimic estrogen too

that you'd go crazy trying to keep them all at bay.   That said, I do keep TTO,

Lavendar Oil, soy products, dairy and meats that have hormons in them, to the

best of my ability, away from my 13 year old son.  But again, this is no easy

feat.   As to the rest of the TTO issues, (the possible link to staph), I didn't

get that that was a clear picture.   I'd love for Dan and David to comment on

all this.   But yes, for now, I am sticking with the Purple Emu Blemish and

Redness Relief cream also.



Take care,

Elena



--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Woody <woody1046@...> wrote:



From: Woody <woody1046@...>

Subject: RE: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:21 PM













Personally, I'm sticking with the Redness - it works. I only use so very

little every couple of days now and I'd rather not go back the way I was on

the off chance that the infinitesimal amount on my skin could cause a

reaction, maybe, someday? We ingest more chemicals and garbage in a normal

days food than that.



I just can't go back. To each his own I guess??



Woody



From: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elena Mutter

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:53 AM

To: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella



You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I finally

buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly FANTASTIC, I

have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS! IT's like a nasty

cosmic joke! I don't know what the heck to do now!



Really bummed out,

Elena



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

just a gentle note that TTO does not 'mimic', it 'mutates' hormones -

totally different to whatever else you mentioned there - except the

lavender oil, that is also an extremely, extremely dangerous hormonal

metagen.



just mentioning in case people thought it was correct that TTO and

lavender can be classed alongside soy products.



soy products, if not fermented, actually block the uptake of calcium

and iron, and must be closely looked at by every individual, with

their own health professional.



personally, it became apparent that the garbage known as western style

soy milk actually was one of the contributing factors in the early

stages of my own previous rosacea. so therefore, i am always certain

to avoid that stuff, hormonal mimicing or not.







regards





Jasper











--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Elena Mutter <emgm42000@...>

wrote:

>

> Amen to that Woody!   I'm still on the fence about the dangers of

TTO.  Can't say I'm buying into it all.   There are tons of foods that

mimic estrogen too that you'd go crazy trying to keep them all at bay.

   That said, I do keep TTO, Lavendar Oil, soy products, dairy and

meats that have hormons in them, to the best of my ability, away from

my 13 year old son.  But again, this is no easy feat.   As to the rest

of the TTO issues, (the possible link to staph), I didn't get that

that was a clear picture.   I'd love for Dan and David to comment on

all this.   But yes, for now, I am sticking with the Purple Emu

Blemish and Redness Relief cream also.

>

> Take care,

> Elena

>

> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Woody <woody1046@...> wrote:

>

> From: Woody <woody1046@...>

> Subject: RE: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

> To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:21 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Personally, I'm sticking with the Redness - it works. I only use so very

> little every couple of days now and I'd rather not go back the way I

was on

> the off chance that the infinitesimal amount on my skin could cause a

> reaction, maybe, someday? We ingest more chemicals and garbage in a

normal

> days food than that.

>

> I just can't go back. To each his own I guess??

>

> Woody

>

> From: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

> [mailto:rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elena Mutter

> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:53 AM

> To: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

> Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

>

> You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I

finally

> buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly

FANTASTIC, I

> have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS! IT's like a nasty

> cosmic joke! I don't know what the heck to do now!

>

> Really bummed out,

> Elena

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Jasper, where can I read about that?  I am allergic to milk, so I

drinks soy milk.  Researching on the internet, there are so many

mixed messages -- so if you know of a good resource, I would be very

grateful.



Thanks!



Gabriella



--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "jasper_vader"

<jasper_vader@...> wrote:

>

> just a gentle note that TTO does not 'mimic', it 'mutates'

hormones -

> totally different to whatever else you mentioned there - except the

> lavender oil, that is also an extremely, extremely dangerous

hormonal

> metagen.

>

> just mentioning in case people thought it was correct that TTO and

> lavender can be classed alongside soy products.

>

> soy products, if not fermented, actually block the uptake of calcium

> and iron, and must be closely looked at by every individual, with

> their own health professional.

>

> personally, it became apparent that the garbage known as western

style

> soy milk actually was one of the contributing factors in the early

> stages of my own previous rosacea. so therefore, i am always certain

> to avoid that stuff, hormonal mimicing or not.

>

>

>

> regards

>

>

> Jasper

>

>

>

>

>

> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Elena Mutter <emgm42000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Amen to that Woody!   I'm still on the fence about the dangers of

> TTO.  Can't say I'm buying into it all.   There are tons of foods

that

> mimic estrogen too that you'd go crazy trying to keep them all at

bay.

>   That said, I do keep TTO, Lavendar Oil, soy products, dairy and

> meats that have hormons in them, to the best of my ability, away

from

> my 13 year old son.  But again, this is no easy feat.   As to the

rest

> of the TTO issues, (the possible link to staph), I didn't get that

> that was a clear picture.   I'd love for Dan and David to comment on

> all this.   But yes, for now, I am sticking with the Purple Emu

> Blemish and Redness Relief cream also.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Elena

> >

> > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Woody <woody1046@> wrote:

> >

> > From: Woody <woody1046@>

> > Subject: RE: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil &

Salmonella

> > To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:21 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Personally, I'm sticking with the Redness - it works. I only use

so very

> > little every couple of days now and I'd rather not go back the

way I

> was on

> > the off chance that the infinitesimal amount on my skin could

cause a

> > reaction, maybe, someday? We ingest more chemicals and garbage in

a

> normal

> > days food than that.

> >

> > I just can't go back. To each his own I guess??

> >

> > Woody

> >

> > From: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

> > [mailto:rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elena

Mutter

> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:53 AM

> > To: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

> > Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil &

Salmonella

> >

> > You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I

> finally

> > buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly

> FANTASTIC, I

> > have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS! IT's like

a nasty

> > cosmic joke! I don't know what the heck to do now!

> >

> > Really bummed out,

> > Elena

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

here's a good link:

http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/soy.htm



in there they claim that feeding soy-milk formula to babies is child

abuse... this is a concerning use of words ... like really, if one did

not know about this concern, then 'child abuse' would be a completely

misleading term, and never used in such a situation - way too hurtful

and inflammatory.



if people do not know the dangers of soy, and then feed it to their

children, it is merely an innocent - or ignorant - mistake, yet should

not be classed as abuse.



so, i do have a bit of an issue with the words they use, however the

information seems solid. in the health industries, strong words have

been used on both sides, although to be honest, it all began when

Monsanto saw a gigantic industry way back in the 70's, where people

wanted alternatives, and so it actually started the anti-dairy health

movement. of all people - Monsanto! they are aiming to own all

commercial seed stock in the world by 2015, and through GE tech,

ensure that one seed only produces fruit in ONE season and produces no

viable seed at all.



that is where Monsanto is at.



for many years i thought i was allergic to milk, however i am not, and

the more i drink the healthier i am. this is because of my genes and

my heritage - i do not boast, it just simply is the way it is.





milk does not "mimic" hormones, and nor does meat.. however, both

products may indeed "contain" hormones, whether naturally or otherwise.



anyway, dairy and meat products should never be classed next to soy.



Soy "Mimics" estrogen hormones. that means it has substances that

behave "like" hormones (and yet can be many times more powerful).



if you really are allergic to milk as some people are, perhaps try

"Oat Milk", until finding something else better? needs tp be given a

good shake to mix the solution. i would try to purchase it in a format

other than the foil-lined cartons that soy comes in, however if that

is not possible, at least it isnt soy.



best regards,



Jasper











--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "gabri_gallo"

<gabri_gallo@...> wrote:

>

> Jasper, where can I read about that?  I am allergic to milk, so I

> drinks soy milk.  Researching on the internet, there are so many

> mixed messages -- so if you know of a good resource, I would be very

> grateful.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Gabriella

>

> --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "jasper_vader"

> <jasper_vader@> wrote:

> >

> > just a gentle note that TTO does not 'mimic', it 'mutates'

> hormones -

> > totally different to whatever else you mentioned there - except the

> > lavender oil, that is also an extremely, extremely dangerous

> hormonal

> > metagen.

> >

> > just mentioning in case people thought it was correct that TTO and

> > lavender can be classed alongside soy products.

> >

> > soy products, if not fermented, actually block the uptake of calcium

> > and iron, and must be closely looked at by every individual, with

> > their own health professional.

> >

> > personally, it became apparent that the garbage known as western

> style

> > soy milk actually was one of the contributing factors in the early

> > stages of my own previous rosacea. so therefore, i am always certain

> > to avoid that stuff, hormonal mimicing or not.

> >

> >

> >

> > regards

> >

> >

> > Jasper

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Elena Mutter <emgm42000@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Amen to that Woody!   I'm still on the fence about the dangers of

> > TTO.  Can't say I'm buying into it all.   There are tons of foods

> that

> > mimic estrogen too that you'd go crazy trying to keep them all at

> bay.

> >   That said, I do keep TTO, Lavendar Oil, soy products, dairy and

> > meats that have hormons in them, to the best of my ability, away

> from

> > my 13 year old son.  But again, this is no easy feat.   As to the

> rest

> > of the TTO issues, (the possible link to staph), I didn't get that

> > that was a clear picture.   I'd love for Dan and David to comment on

> > all this.   But yes, for now, I am sticking with the Purple Emu

> > Blemish and Redness Relief cream also.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Elena

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Woody <woody1046@> wrote:

> > >

> > > From: Woody <woody1046@>

> > > Subject: RE: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil &

> Salmonella

> > > To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

> > > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:21 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Personally, I'm sticking with the Redness - it works. I only use

> so very

> > > little every couple of days now and I'd rather not go back the

> way I

> > was on

> > > the off chance that the infinitesimal amount on my skin could

> cause a

> > > reaction, maybe, someday? We ingest more chemicals and garbage in

> a

> > normal

> > > days food than that.

> > >

> > > I just can't go back. To each his own I guess??

> > >

> > > Woody

> > >

> > > From: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

> > > [mailto:rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elena

> Mutter

> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:53 AM

> > > To: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

> > > Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil &

> Salmonella

> > >

> > > You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I

> > finally

> > > buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly

> > FANTASTIC, I

> > > have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS! IT's like

> a nasty

> > > cosmic joke! I don't know what the heck to do now!

> > >

> > > Really bummed out,

> > > Elena

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > >

> >

>

Hi Gabriella,



> Researching on the internet, there are so many mixed messages <



If you will excuse me for adding my opinion, I think Wikipedia has become a

pretty good general research toolbecause they cover competing views (with

back-up links) and try hard to avoid being used to promote a one-sided view of

anything controversial.



I'm generally more impressed by sites that try to be balanced, even if they do

then come down in favour of one side.



Also, it's worth remembering that the whole truth is rarely known on any

scientific matter, so it can be reassuring to see arguments peppered with "I

believe", "it is thought", "we suspect", "perhaps", "maybe", "possibly", etc.

Just my two cents worth.



Kind regards,



Aurelia

Thanks Jasper and Aurelia!  I only drink at most a cup a day (in

coffee or tea) and alternate with Rice Milk, so I think "perhaps"

this shouldn't be too big of a problem.



Gabriella







--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Aurelia.Dawn"

<aurelia.dawn@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Gabriella,

>

> > Researching on the internet, there are so many mixed messages <

>

> If you will excuse me for adding my opinion, I think Wikipedia has

become a pretty good general research toolbecause they cover

competing views (with back-up links) and try hard to avoid being used

to promote a one-sided view of anything controversial.

>

> I'm generally more impressed by sites that try to be balanced, even

if they do then come down in favour of one side.

>

> Also, it's worth remembering that the whole truth is rarely known

on any scientific matter, so it can be reassuring to see arguments

peppered with "I believe", "it is thought", "we

suspect", "perhaps", "maybe", "possibly", etc. Just my two cents

worth.

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Aurelia

>

ironically, you raise one of the concerns about westerners' "opinion"

of soy.

they believe they know what a 'small' and 'large' amount is .. well,

dont be so sure.



you are not drinking traditional asian fermented soy milk for a start.

this is one of the most poisonous substances and could be actually

causing or continuing rosacea - i know soy milk consumption was one of

the major factors for me.



i do not wish to scare you, however this is a major health mistake

that many westerners make, thinking just a cup of soy milk or a tofu

burger is fine every couple of days. well, you said it, that is your

freedom of choice.



my freedom of speech allows me to say without a shadow of a doubt, a

cup of soy milk per day could be on eof the most toxic substances your

body ever meets - and it is a 'large' quantity btw.



not wishing to paint you in any sort of negative light, just

explaining my attitude and belief after years of research about the

toxic product known as 'soy milk' .. or any kind of non-traditional

soy product.



basically the only safe way to eat soy is as a specially fermented

condiment, used on a side plate and consumed in small degress similar

to an amount of horseradish, or tomato sauce.



there is a massive vegetarian movement behind western soy products,

and that movement is unknowingly backed by the international pesticide

giant called Monsanto.



some vegetarians claim tofu is "monk's meat" - that is what my bigoted

friends called it, whilst demanding that no one cook normal meat in

the share house. and yet just a small amount can inhibit uptake of

iron and calcium from even a "normal" omnivorous diet - and this

negative effect can also be magnified many times in a man's system if

his genes come from nordic/celtic origin. people of asian heritage

still need to only use the proper fermented soy condiment, and not try

to use western-produced soy product.





regards





Jasper













--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "gabri_gallo"

<gabri_gallo@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks Jasper and Aurelia!  I only drink at most a cup a day (in

> coffee or tea) and alternate with Rice Milk, so I think "perhaps"

> this shouldn't be too big of a problem.

>

> Gabriella

>

What I don't understand is the "staph" thing.  I have another wonderful

genetic issue with sebaceous cysting - mainly on my face of course. The

cycts kick up when they are infected and the old cure was to head for the

drug store with a script for antibiotics.  Now when my face starts to blow

up from one of these cysts I just use my Blemish Control and it disappears.

If the TTO causes infections - why is the Blemish stopping it??  Plus I find

that since I started using the cream I have a lot less problems with the

cysts infecting and becoming a problem for me to begin with.







Our cancer rate is now 1 in 3 so I think I'll worry more about what I ingest

for now.  There are only so many hours in the day to research what is good

and bad for us and we each have to pick our own battles or panic points.

That being said, I must thank everyone on this board for all their research

on our behalf's.  I have learned more on this list in the past few years

than I could have every found on my own. The pros and cons of every issue

post with their research and save me a ton of time investigating on my own.

Thank you to all of you who have so diligently worked at educating us all J

J







Woody







From: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elena Mutter

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:22 PM

To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella







Amen to that Woody! I'm still on the fence about the dangers of TTO. Can't

say I'm buying into it all. There are tons of foods that mimic estrogen too

that you'd go crazy trying to keep them all at bay. That said, I do keep

TTO, Lavendar Oil, soy products, dairy and meats that have hormons in them,

to the best of my ability, away from my 13 year old son. But again, this is

no easy feat. As to the rest of the TTO issues, (the possible link to

staph), I didn't get that that was a clear picture. I'd love for Dan and

David to comment on all this. But yes, for now, I am sticking with the

Purple Emu Blemish and Redness Relief cream also.



Take care,

Elena



--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Woody <woody1046@... <mailto:woody1046%40aol.com>

> wrote:



From: Woody <woody1046@... <mailto:woody1046%40aol.com> >

Subject: RE: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:rosacea-support%40yahoogroups.com>

Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:21 PM



Personally, I'm sticking with the Redness - it works. I only use so very

little every couple of days now and I'd rather not go back the way I was on

the off chance that the infinitesimal amount on my skin could cause a

reaction, maybe, someday? We ingest more chemicals and garbage in a normal

days food than that.



I just can't go back. To each his own I guess??



Woody



From: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elena Mutter

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:53 AM

To: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella



You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I finally

buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly FANTASTIC, I

have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS! IT's like a nasty

cosmic joke! I don't know what the heck to do now!



Really bummed out,

Elena



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

as regards TTO, one of my health concerns is that if it got near the

eye, my vision went blurry for hours (unable to read a computer

monitor for those hours) .. this was a great concern to me, having

been shot in the face at the age of 14, i already lost 80 percent

vision in my left eye.



however, as regards topical use on cheeks, etc .. it is so good that

you have found something that works for you now. perhaps consider

finding 'extra' products, slowly, like, over the space of one year or so..



oh dear, i never mentioned this before, however if there is no other

product that works, then surely, you must use the one that does? i

know only too well how hurtful rosacea symptoms can be. ugh, the pain,

the shame, the viscious cycle, the gloating uber-confident stares of

the arrogant fellows who know you would be a comptetitor far above

their level when it comes to chasing beautiful women, were it not for

the burnt cheek look, etc etc.



thing is tho, seems you have not tried Clearasil Vanishing Cream, nor

tried the Ultra dabbed on top of papules .. this can effectively help

you if you try it ... or how about the Clean and Clear "oil control"

salicylic acid toner .. or Loreal for men Deep Purifying Gel Wash ..

not that you have mentioned anyway.



you have not mentioned trying the Wella Remove Peeling

wash/conditioner, and yet this can also work wonders on the cheeks ..

nor have you replied to my post about removing papule "environments"

by gently removing all surface cheek hair follicles around it with

tweezers.



you explain how your sebacious gland issues can result in infected

areas .. well, if you dont want to use anti-biotics, why are you using

TTO products? TTO is anti-biotic, and hormonally mutagenic at the same

time. you mention "one in three" cancer statistic fear, however you do

not realise that actually the use of TTO by women can wreak havoc on

their bodies in later life, much more so than men, so perhaps stop and

consider before you start throwing statistic around, distracting from

the issue.



any good well-researched doctor can tell you that if a woman puts tea

tree oil under her arms, on the gland area there, as a "safe natural

deodorant product", there may be a risk of cancer in response to that.



there are benefits (short or long term depends on the person) via

anti-biotic and anti-bacterial action of TTO on infected/infested

skin, and yet there are massive concerns for women about this product.

if you get upset about hearing this, remember there are other options

you have not tried, and also it is not about you, or your skin, it is

about the entire female population of the human race having TTO

marketed to them as a helpful product.



Woody, please do not focus on the side issue of 'staph immunity' ..

indeed,

that was from another poster who found that some bacteria from low

level TTO usage was actually being immunised.



you are right in presuming that under normal circumstances, TTO will

eradicate some staph infection. Anti-biotics can do this too, however

if they are not used appropriately, they can cause immunity too ..

however that is more of a "usage issue".



TTO is just acting as an anti-biotic because it is a form of that,

pure and simple.



ultimately, it is necessary to clear the double edged sword of

"Infection and Infestation" slowly but surely out of your system.. and

then not use any heavy product overly much.

to some degree, emotional issues will play a role in regulating this

cycle, so it is not only hygiene/supplements/topicals .. i do realise

it is a wholistic approach, i just dont think TTO fits into a healthy

approach, especially for women.

it is not fine, for many people. if you think it is fine for you, go

ahead and use it. Especially if there is no alternative.



also, supplementation will help - things such as John O'Neills

Co-Enzyme Q10 (200mg each meal); Neo Life Formula IV (wheat germ

embryo extract, etc .. the most ultimate multi vitamin you ever saw),

Venotrex (horse-chestnut extract for vein integrity), Zyrtec to stop

the allergic door-opening process, an aspro once each three days or

so, with a meal... to reduce cytokites and leukotrine cycles



i guess the idea is that if TTO continues to be promoted as a "benign"

subtance, people will think it is fine to just treat symptoms with it.

therefore, i am going to start telling the truth, or what i believe to

be the truth. if you wish to continually question, then i will

continually answer.



if you see no other alternative to TTO, please do not feel upset if

others are taking the time to patiently explain that this substance is

one of the most dangerous on the planet, because it is touted as

"healthy". and if you do not wish to talk about, mention, try or

consider any of the techniques i have explained, that is your

perogative. perhaps in the future, you may gain some help from trying

them, especially if any current emotional charge about the benefits of

supposed "natural and good" TTO has faded.





many of us at the board found great relief from a substance known as

"Quadrinone", and were very upset and confused when it was taken off

the shelves, merely because it made a medical claim that was not 100

percent backed up. there wasnt even any health concerns at all.





regards





Jasper















--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Woody" <woody1046@...> wrote:

>

> What I don't understand is the "staph" thing.  I have another wonderful

> genetic issue with sebaceous cysting - mainly on my face of course. The

> cycts kick up when they are infected and the old cure was to head

for the

> drug store with a script for antibiotics.  Now when my face starts

to blow

> up from one of these cysts I just use my Blemish Control and it

disappears.

..

cancer rate is now 1 in 3 so I think I'll worry more about what I ingest

> for now.  ..The pros and cons of every issue

> post with their research and save me a ton of time investigating on

my own.

> Thank you to all of you who have so diligently worked at educating

us all ..

> Woody

>

FYI, I found a website, teatreewonders.com that talks about various myths

concerning tea tree oil. One first one being that it causes boys to grow

breasts, a condition called Gynecomastia. There is also a link there that

disputes this myth, that was quite lengthy if anyone wants to read all of it.

Lee

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: jasper_vader<mailto:jasper_vader@...>

   To: rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com<mailto:rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com>

   Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:51 PM

   Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella





   just a gentle note that TTO does not 'mimic', it 'mutates' hormones -

   totally different to whatever else you mentioned there - except the

   lavender oil, that is also an extremely, extremely dangerous hormonal

   metagen.



   just mentioning in case people thought it was correct that TTO and

   lavender can be classed alongside soy products.



   soy products, if not fermented, actually block the uptake of calcium

   and iron, and must be closely looked at by every individual, with

   their own health professional.



   personally, it became apparent that the garbage known as western style

   soy milk actually was one of the contributing factors in the early

   stages of my own previous rosacea. so therefore, i am always certain

   to avoid that stuff, hormonal mimicing or not.



   regards



   Jasper



   --- In

rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com<mailto:rosacea-support%40yahoogroups.com>, Elena

Mutter <emgm42000@...>

   wrote:

   >

   > Amen to that Woody! I'm still on the fence about the dangers of

   TTO. Can't say I'm buying into it all. There are tons of foods that

   mimic estrogen too that you'd go crazy trying to keep them all at bay.

   That said, I do keep TTO, Lavendar Oil, soy products, dairy and

   meats that have hormons in them, to the best of my ability, away from

   my 13 year old son. But again, this is no easy feat. As to the rest

   of the TTO issues, (the possible link to staph), I didn't get that

   that was a clear picture. I'd love for Dan and David to comment on

   all this. But yes, for now, I am sticking with the Purple Emu

   Blemish and Redness Relief cream also.

   >

   > Take care,

   > Elena

   >

   > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Woody <woody1046@...> wrote:

   >

   > From: Woody <woody1046@...>

   > Subject: RE: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

   > To:

rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com<mailto:rosacea-support%40yahoogroups.com>

   > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:21 PM

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > Personally, I'm sticking with the Redness - it works. I only use so very

   > little every couple of days now and I'd rather not go back the way I

   was on

   > the off chance that the infinitesimal amount on my skin could cause a

   > reaction, maybe, someday? We ingest more chemicals and garbage in a

   normal

   > days food than that.

   >

   > I just can't go back. To each his own I guess??

   >

   > Woody

   >

   > From: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

   > [mailto:rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elena Mutter

   > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:53 AM

   > To: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

   > Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil & Salmonella

   >

   > You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I

   finally

   > buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly

   FANTASTIC, I

   > have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS! IT's like a nasty

   > cosmic joke! I don't know what the heck to do now!

   >

   > Really bummed out,

   > Elena

   >

   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   >











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

thanks for seeking to contribute a balanced view to the conversation.



however my concern is with the website's intentions:



"The number two reason? People have a business or product line that

includes the oil of the tea tree , and they want more ideas on it's

use and benefits.



The third reason people find my site is they have similar interest in

herbs, essential oils, health and wellness. They might also have an

interest in developing an online presence and have been referred to my

site as an example. "





so, of course they will write in favour of tea tree oil.



anyway, that said, please point to the direct refutation of TTO

mutating testosterone into estrogen in young boys?



very important to review all facts, and i thank you for your contribution.





j









--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "DAVID LEE DURHAM"

<DDavleedurham@...> wrote:

>

> FYI, I found a website, teatreewonders.com that talks about various

myths concerning tea tree oil. One first one being that it causes boys

to grow breasts, a condition called Gynecomastia. There is also a link

there that disputes this myth, that was quite lengthy if anyone wants

to read all of it.

> Lee

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: jasper_vader<mailto:jasper_vader@...>

>   To:

rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com<mailto:rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com>

>   Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:51 PM

>   Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil &

Salmonella

>

>

>   just a gentle note that TTO does not 'mimic', it 'mutates' hormones -

>   totally different to whatever else you mentioned there - except the

>   lavender oil, that is also an extremely, extremely dangerous hormonal

>   metagen.

>

>   just mentioning in case people thought it was correct that TTO and

>   lavender can be classed alongside soy products.

>

>   soy products, if not fermented, actually block the uptake of calcium

>   and iron, and must be closely looked at by every individual, with

>   their own health professional.

>

>   personally, it became apparent that the garbage known as western style

>   soy milk actually was one of the contributing factors in the early

>   stages of my own previous rosacea. so therefore, i am always certain

>   to avoid that stuff, hormonal mimicing or not.

>

>   regards

>

>   Jasper

>

>   --- In

rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com<mailto:rosacea-support%40yahoogroups.com>,

Elena Mutter <emgm42000@>

>   wrote:

>   >

>   > Amen to that Woody! I'm still on the fence about the dangers of

>   TTO. Can't say I'm buying into it all. There are tons of foods that

>   mimic estrogen too that you'd go crazy trying to keep them all at bay.

>   That said, I do keep TTO, Lavendar Oil, soy products, dairy and

>   meats that have hormons in them, to the best of my ability, away from

>   my 13 year old son. But again, this is no easy feat. As to the rest

>   of the TTO issues, (the possible link to staph), I didn't get that

>   that was a clear picture. I'd love for Dan and David to comment on

>   all this. But yes, for now, I am sticking with the Purple Emu

>   Blemish and Redness Relief cream also.

>   >

>   > Take care,

>   > Elena

>   >

>   > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Woody <woody1046@> wrote:

>   >

>   > From: Woody <woody1046@>

>   > Subject: RE: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil &

Salmonella

>   > To:

rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com<mailto:rosacea-support%40yahoogroups.com>

>   > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:21 PM

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   > Personally, I'm sticking with the Redness - it works. I only use

so very

>   > little every couple of days now and I'd rather not go back the way I

>   was on

>   > the off chance that the infinitesimal amount on my skin could

cause a

>   > reaction, maybe, someday? We ingest more chemicals and garbage in a

>   normal

>   > days food than that.

>   >

>   > I just can't go back. To each his own I guess??

>   >

>   > Woody

>   >

>   > From: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

>   > [mailto:rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elena Mutter

>   > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:53 AM

>   > To: rosacea-support@ yahoogroups. com

>   > Subject: Re: [rosacea] RE: EU close to banning Tea Tree Oil &

Salmonella

>   >

>   > You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I

>   finally

>   > buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly

>   FANTASTIC, I

>   > have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS! IT's like

a nasty

>   > cosmic joke! I don't know what the heck to do now!

>   >

>   > Really bummed out,

>   > Elena

>   >

>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>   >

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Yeah it's not nice to hear bad information when you think you've found something

good, I'm bummed out too Elena. Although this is for the best, I know I dont

want to be growing a set of boobs!, so thanks for alerting us to that Jasper, I

was previously unaware of the health warning.



According to the original article that Jasper posted,

 

"Cosmetic products, such as shampoo and bath oils, that use the oil in

concentrations of less than 1 per cent are safe"

 

I sent an e-mail to the body shop asking for the concentrations of the TTO in

the products that I use. I received a reply stating that the foaming facial wash

uses a 1% TTO concentration, and the mattifying moisture gel contains 0.5%.



They seem to be in the desired range of safety specified by the European

scientists, however I'd like to do a little more research. I also wonder whether

the Demodex (or the bacteria Bacillus Oleronious on them) experience the same

affect as the 'superbugs' like salmonella listed in the previous article, and

that concentrations of TTO < 4% do not effectively kill them, only activate

their defense mechanisms.



Any ideas Jasper? or anyone?

 

Matt.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

---------

You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I finally buy

the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly FANTASTIC, I have

relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS! IT's like a nasty cosmic joke!

I don't know what the heck to do now!



Really bummed out,

Elena





       Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

the boobs on boys claims are only for the young, pre/onset of

adolescence.. and only in extreme cases.



however, i do believe that TTO can effect sexuality preference changes

in men.



this is, again, another theory.



and really, it should not necessarily be trumpeted as a matter of

concern, for if a man is straight, bi, or gay, there really should be

no judgement of his sexual choice.



so, i do not warn about TTO as regards male sexuality as such ..



personally, i go out with females, and basically i do not wish to be

affected by a hormonal mutagenic influence unduly, especially without

my knowledge.



also, i do not think that TTO's influence alone could greatly

influence a man's sexuality, if there were no other factors at work,

however perhaps in strong combinations, it might.



as regards women however, the issue is more concerning. there's a

range of issues as the body produces estrogen in different ways and

amounts, naturally, later in life, and especially at these times, TTO

must be avoided at all costs due to a range of potential concerns

which i should not really go on about, as it would be ignorance on my

behalf, fear mongering, and that is of no benefit to the group.



it is essential to remain calm, and not react to quickly or strongly

to any info - good or otherwise.



for example, the "Sans Rosa" is rumoured to be released this year, and

yet the group's wise founder, David Pascoe, calls for moderation and

no excessive celebrations regarding this fact .. very balanced, and

very sensible.





best regards



Jasper















--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, Matthew I <mtthw_i@...> wrote:

>

> Yeah it's not nice to hear bad information when you think you've

found something good, I'm bummed out too Elena. Although this is for

the best, I know I dont want to be growing a set of boobs!, so thanks

for alerting us to that Jasper, I was previously unaware of the health

warning.

>

> According to the original article that Jasper posted,

>  

> "Cosmetic products, such as shampoo and bath oils, that use the oil

in concentrations of less than 1 per cent are safe"

>  

> I sent an e-mail to the body shop asking for the concentrations of

the TTO in the products that I use. I received a reply stating that

the foaming facial wash uses a 1% TTO concentration, and the

mattifying moisture gel contains 0.5%.

>

> They seem to be in the desired range of safety specified by the

European scientists, however I'd like to do a little more research. I

also wonder whether the Demodex (or the bacteria Bacillus Oleronious

on them) experience the same affect as the 'superbugs' like salmonella

listed in the previous article, and that concentrations of TTO < 4% do

not effectively kill them, only activate their defense mechanisms.

>

> Any ideas Jasper? or anyone?

>  

> Matt.

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

---------

> You know, I couldn't be more upset about all this with the TTO. I

finally buy the purple emu Blemish Redness Control, it works utterly

FANTASTIC, I have relief I haven't had in four years, and now THIS!

IT's like a nasty cosmic joke! I don't know what the heck to do now!

>

> Really bummed out,

> Elena

>

>

>       Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter

inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

a lighthearted note as regards not reacting too strongly to

information, whether supposedly of concern or not ..



for me, extreme laughter is sometimes a trigger for ocular rosacea

symptoms.



i was friends with a few delightful girls who all thought it was

hilarious that in Ballina (east coast town in Australia), there is a

service station with a takeaway/dine-in restaurant, inside a gigantic

prawn about 150 metres high.



we would shout snappily at each other:



"Ballina!"



"Ballina!"





"Ballina, luv! the Big Prawn!"



"Big Prawn! Ballina!"



effecting the most extreme aussie accent, far and above what we

actually sound like.



"Oi, i got two words for ya luv!"



"what's that mate??"



"Coffs Harbour - the Big Banana!!"



"Aww, the Big Banana!"



"Coffs Harbour! Big Banana!"



and then another would chime in..



"Maroochydoore! Big Pineapple!!"



for abstract random relief, because we were yelling, one of the girls

would then suddenly shout "Yelgun!!" (a town on the way to Maroochydoore).





and so forth. enormous hilarity, we would collapse in fits of

laughter. however for some reason, it would bring on ocular rosacea

symptoms for me. i have no idea why except that there is an emotional

content in ocular rosacea?



and then, unexplainedly, another group of friends started doing the

same silly play on words, same aussie over-accent, with no connection

at all to the other group of friends, or any reference from me ... so,

again, another concern for ocular rosacea symptoms, as we all would

nearly fall over with laughter.



"I've got seventeen words for ya!! Ballina Big Prawn .. etc etc.."



"oh, oh dear ... it's funny every time!!"



and indeed it was.

ah, friends are good.





best regards,



Jasper