Hello to all,

To those who have been robbed of years of their life, who have
visited the darkest, most horrifying place a person could ever
visit, to have your soul ripped out and to be left with only a large
empty void of haunting memories, then you will understand that place
as a place where the most severe of rosacea sufferers have been.
Those too who have moderate and mild rosacea will relate to some, if
not all these feelings also.

Perhaps I am being insensitive to those that need and want to get
their pores cleaned. I thankfully after 20 IPL's have my beautiful,
smooth skin back so for those that wish to label me as ignorant and
insensitive, feel free. I just want to warn others and be responsible.

Everytime, I pass a Beauty Salon or Clinic and I see the words
painted on their front windows with the likes of 'Laser
Resurfacing', 'Dermabrasion', 'Micro Dermabrasion', 'Diamond
Dermabrasion', 'Chemical Peels', 'Calming Facials', 'Exfoliating
Treatments', 'Mud Mask Facials', 'Camouflage make-up', 'Wrinkle
Treatments','Glycolic Peels', 'Amino Acid Peels' etc etc, my skin
begins to crawl and I physically cringe and feel sick.

I am at last on the road to recovery and as I said even though my
skin is smooth and soft and probably have no right to put forward my
opinion on this matter, I know that it was a harsh anti-acne, anti-
ageing skincare routine that catapulted me into rosacea hell.

I wouldn't care how advanced and gentle these procedures have and
will become because anything that will compromise and perhaps retard
my progress, is just not worth it. I never want to visit that black
hole again.

If you must use some type of procedure, at least go for the one that
Dr Nase recommends as the most gentle.

And yes Dr Nase, the Princess cut is the most beautiful of diamonds
but I'd rather have it placed on my finger by a gorgeous man, than
have it blasted across my face by a well meaning beauty therapist.

Beauty therapists definitely have their place within the beauty
industy but I'm just not sure it's rosacea advice or treatments that
they should be recommending. Others may feel differently.

I have put in too much hard work to get thus far, so be absolutely
certain that you make an informed decision before embarking on these
treatments.

It's just not worth the risk but hey you have to be your own best
judge.

Mermaid




--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Geoffrey Nase, PhD"
<drnase1000@h...> wrote:
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> > Hi Group,
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> > Went to a local beauty salon today to pick up some
> > mineral make-up and when I said I had rosacea the
> > beautician recommened microdermabrasion, saying she
> > had 5 or 6 clients with rosacea and it worked wonders
> > for them. Now, I had a feeling I'd heard the term in a
> > negative light on the board and naturally am very
> > skeptical about these things as we've all learned to
> > be. So, I just searched the archives and found a
> > couple of posts that seem to confirm my suspicion --
> > that it is generally not recommended for rosaceans in
> > the eyes of Dr Nase and the group in general. Now, my
> > question is this -- are all microdermabrasions equal
> > and if not does this caution hold true for all of
> > them? I asked her for some detailed info and she gave
> > me a booklet that says this form of it is cystal free
> > (it says it uses diamond tips. She also says she uses
> > the very finest applicator on rosacea skin and that it
> > does little more that vacuum off/out dead cells and
> > blackheads etc, that it isn't a sanding down kind of
> > thing. I'll post Dr Nase's old post on the topic
> > below, which he ends by asking why we'd want to do it
> > in the first place. For me the answer is deep
> > cleansing. Ever since I got rosacea I have not used
> > pore strips or exfoliant on my face heeding the sound
> > advise of Dr Nase and the group at large. But how then
> > are we supposed to get rid of the dead skin build up
> > and the little blackheads at the side and creases of
> > one's nose? I'd love to find a way to deal with this
> > that is safe and effective but won't risk it if all
> > kinds microdermabrasion is recommended against. Please
> > comment if you can.
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> Hello B,
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> Microdermabrasion is getting better all the time. It is now less
> traumatic to the epidermis and underlying blood vessels. The
> diamond tipped are the latest version.
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> I completely understand everyone's need for thorough cleansing of
> the skin and pores. But the pores are very deep with five to six
> lobules that take strange angles, so microdermabrasion only opens
up
> the top of the iceberg. Furthermore, it must be repeated every
> month to have a sustained effect. Lastly, no one on this earth can
> predict whether this will throw you into angry face syndrome.
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> You also need to be careful about premicrodermabrasion routines
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> are often more aggressive than the dermabrasion because they are
> made to emulsify the cells.
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> For all those estheticians reading this, please please do not take
> offense. Most do not understand rosacea and when they make an oops
> they cant fix it. I have visited my share looking for different
> approaches. If you do decide this route, be very careful.
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> Right now I think the safest pore cleasner performed by
estheticains
> is the triphase oxygen system.
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> If you do go the diamond microdermabrasion route please find out if
> they are princess cut first because I know from experience that
> women always like the most expensive diamonds no matter how much
> pain it induces to their mate.
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> Regards,
>
> Geoffrey
> ______________________________
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> Dr. Geoffrey Nase
> Ph.D. Neurovascular Physiologist
> http://www.drnase.com
> ______________________________
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> > Cheers, B
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> > Dr Nases old post:
> > Hello,
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> > I do not believe that microdermabrasion should be
> > performed on any
> > rosacea sufferer. The goal of microdermabrasion or
> > dermabrasion is
> > to clear the pores and decrease the lumpy bumpy skin
> > texture by
> > removing 50% to 75% of the epidermis. The problems
> > tha I see are:
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> > 1. While microdermabrasion may be successful, in most
> > cases, the
> > lumpy bumpy texture will return because you are not
> > really treating
> > the route cause of anything.
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> > 2. Anything that irritated the epidermis causes
> > increased blood
> > vessel growth of the upper dermis and allows the
> > migration of hair
> > pin blood vessel loops even closer to the surface.
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> > 3. In normal people, microdermabrasion increases the
> > thickness of
> > the skin....in rosacea sufferers or those with
> > compromised epidermal
> > skin, it actually thins the skin. This is based on
> > the genetic
> > prdisposition of those skin cells -- think of sailors
> > who are out in
> > the sun and wind all day -- most get thickened skin
> > (rosacea
> > sufferers are not) or those that work in steel mills
> > with excessive
> > heat -- their skin thickens (rosacea sufferers do
> > not).
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> > In fact there was an interesting study done by Thorby
> > sp? that
> > looked into sailors, iron workers, steamers and
> > outdoor workers and
> > found very few rosacea sufferers. The environment
> > does not cause
> > rosacea...... the genetic predisposition of the skin
> > and blood
> > vessels allows the environment to damage the skin and
> > blood vessels
> > and cause rosacea symptoms. Much like diabetes. High
> > glucose does
> > not cuase diabetes......those predisposed to damage by
> > high glucose
> > will ulitmately be affected by high glucose and become
> > diabetic.
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> > So, why volunatarily place your skin and blood vessels
> > in harm's way
> > with multiple microdermabrasions??
> >
> > Geoffrey
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