For Everyone,
Here are some emails I exchanged with "Janey". "Janey" is not her real name,
and I have removed other indications of identity.
Janey was the first person to be prescribed this med in the USA, back in Oct.
2003, who has stayed in touch with me until now.
She admits, that she has only used the med "off and on", but I believe she is
most sincere.
Janey most likely represents the majority of rosaceans, who will have to find
the will and the ways, to "fit" the hassles of this treatment/cure into their
individual schedules, if they are going to cure their rosacea with (DMSO +
fluconazole).
God Bless,
Dave Fleming ----TEXT OF EMAILS FOLLOWS IN REVERSE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER----

Apr. 19, 2004
Dave Fleming wrote:
Hi, Janey,
First, I have to say, with all humility, that I am actually almost as "new", at
this, as you are, so I'm not sure how useful anything I say might be to you,
because your experience is "individual", with this treatment/cure.

There are soooooooooooo many psychological factors, as well as physical, that it
is hard for anyone to do "easily". But it seems to me that the goal is worth
the suffering.

But I never had to hold down a job, and my family is very limited, so my
psychological problems with this were much less, in my opinion, than most people
face. In other words, I was able to be alone a lot.

If only this treatment/cure were easier....

So, why do I think that this will help other rosaceans than myself? Well, there
is a very simple equation involved. This med has virtually no effect, on
"healthy" skin.

Therefore, if this med stings, (or significantly changes the way the skin
looks), from what little I know, that means that it is needed, and is doing
"something" to "whatever" the heck is causing the rosacea.

But how does one run ones life, with all this extra load of temporary soreness,
redness, etc? I have no good answer.
If everyone could go away to some island, for a few months, to do this, it would
no doubt be easier. But because I believe that this is the only valid cure for
rosacea, and because I believe that rosacea will only progressively get worse,
if we just "suppress/control" the symptoms, I believe we must go through this
suffering.

But we can limit the amount of med we apply, so as to limit the rate of this
treatment/cure, to "fit in" better, with our schedule.
But it is still a hassle.
Here is a quote about a face cream that I think I told you about. Did you get
it??? It is very helpful, in dealing with the rawness, etc.
------HERE IS THE QUOTE FROM #187:
"In order to "blend in" the peeling skin, which can be unsightly, I highly
recommend an "anti-inflammatory" cream, the ingredients of which are recommended
by Dr. Perricone. It is called:
Reviva Labs: Alpha-Lipoic-Acid-Vitamin-C-Ester-&-DMAE Cream

This is under $20.00, available only from the Vitamin Shoppe chain of stores, to
my knowledge. These stores are in only 18 states, but they sell through the web,
at:
vitaminshoppe.com
and also through a toll-free phone number, at:
1-800-223-1216
This "anti-inflammatory" cream says on the label to use it at "night time", but
I believe it should also be used in the morning, to help "blend in" whatever
peeling skin may occur, so that it does not show, during the day."
---END OF QUOTE----
Also, the DMAE is an anti-wrinkle agent, which will decrease the temporary "fine
lines" that can occur with this treatment/cure.

Yes, I'm sorry to say, the rawness is "normal", even more so, in the beginning,
but I believe that it is a "positive" sign, because I believe that it is caused
by our immune system finally being able to "attack" something that has been
growing in us for many years, which would otherwise continue to grow, and cause
more and worse rosacea symptoms, with every passing year.

I believe you are correct, to schedule and/or limit the area you treat,
depending on your ability to cope with the "effects" of this treatment/cure.
I did that too.

And I definitely believe that the 10% med is better. I could be wrong, but
that's my best opinion, since I have used it inside my nose, since Feb. 22,
2004.

As I wrote to you about the pinkness/redness, it could be considered by many, as
a "relative" matter. I realize that I didn't really answer your question,
before.

The only attitude I maintain, is that the stinging of the med means that it is
needed, and is "working". But I must admit, that the "pinkness/redness" may
linger longer than other symptoms.

I believe that the temporary redness caused by the treatment is "different",
than the "rosacea redness", because I believe that the immune system can cause
temporary "pinkness/redness", as part of a healing process.

But the redness no doubt looks just as bad, (for weeks? at a time), as does the
"rosacea redness". So I really have no good answer for you.

Did I have the same redness that you have? Neither of us can easily define or
compare this.
When I looked at the picture of Dr. Nase, at his website, I can say that I never
had the type/degree of redness shown in his "before" picture.
But I would tell him in a minute, that this cure is working for him if the
stinging occurs, period, even though his symptoms might be completely different
than mine.

And, given enough time, (months?), the temporary redness caused by this
treatment/cure will certainly return to "normal", because the skin will finally
be "normal", and healthy, by definition.

But even though the skin on my nose is obviously healthy now, two or three
purple veins still show on the left side of the nose, where the rosacea did its
damage.

Could some sort of "pinkness/redness" remain, after the skin is healthy?
We both know that that is possible.
But if the skin really becomes healthy, then other cosmetic "treatments" would
then be possible and effective, to deal with any redness, because we will not
have the rosacea to contend with.
So, I hope this helps, Janey.
God Bless,
Dave Fleming
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Janey wrote:
Dave,
Thanks for writing back. Please send any information you have. The more
information/knowledge I can get, the better off I'll be.

I applied the med. probably 4x on Wed of the past week just around my nose,
inside of nose, and chin. I just wanted to do those areas because I had to work
on Sat/Sun.

Also, each time I apply the med. it stings with increased severe intensity, but
will stop after about 10 minutes. But after those applications, my face feels
totally RAW and just plain hurts for about 2 days. Is this pretty normal?

I never have had the pustules just the severe redness (like sunburn) I sure
hope this med will help me. Do you still think the 10% would be gentler and
more effective.

Thank you so much and you are not pestering me. I just didn't want to pester
you. Thank again!
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(editor's note: I combined these two separately sent emails from Janey, when I
answered her, [above]. - DF)
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Janey wrote:
Dave, Sorry to keep bothering you but I keep rereading your e-mail you
sent me and have a question about the redness.
My redness looks like a butterfly sunburn rash across my face.

I have no pustules. I am only interested in getting rid of the redness.

I don't believe this is a ruddy complexion issue, it is just too intense.
Do you think this med. is going to help this?

Did you have REDNESS that it helped or was did it just help the
pustules?
Thank you much. God Bless

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Apr. 19, 2004
Dave Fleming wrote:
Hi, Janey,
----MESSAGE EDITED----
Thanks much for your encouragement.
Actually, the "med mouthwash swishing" may or may not be a good idea.

Ever since I read the full "insert", of Diflucan/fluconazole, I have been
"freaked out" by the fact that they almost casually state, that possible side
effects of the ORAL ADMINISTRATION of this drug, are permanent liver damage, and
death (!) Yikes (!)

Therefore, in the back of my mind, I have sometimes wondered if I have done any
damage to my liver, even though I only used this [DMSO + fluconazole] topically,
and it only contained 10 mg per ML, of Diflucan/fluconazole. But I used a whole
lot, over many months time. You would probably not believe how much I have
used.
Do I think that I have any liver damage? No.

This 10% med appears to be a million times better, (not just ten times better),
because it may accomplish 100% what the 1% med cannot fully accomplish.

This applies to the inside of my nose. I've accomplished more, in six weeks,
and only a few applications, (most of the six weeks, I was just observing, and
not treating), of the 10% med, than I accomplished in over two years, with the
1% med.

I'm not saying that the 1% med was not effective. It basically cured the
problem inside the nose, of deadly sleep apnea, from the blockage of my nose at
night. But the infestation was never really totally "gone".
Even now, with the improvement from the 10% med, I'm actually feeling that a
100% med would be even better, inside the nose. That may sound crazy, but
we're talking about two q-tips worth, which, (according to my rough estimation),
are just 0.033 ML of med, which would contain just 33 mg of
Diflucan/fluconazole.

So, using even three q-tips worth, of the 100% med in each nostril, would mean
taking in only 99 mg of Diflucan/fluconazole.
And the acceptable one-time dose for ORALLY ADMINISTERED plain
fluconazole/Diflucan is 150 mg.
But that 150 mg ALL goes into the bloodstream, while the 99 mg in the [DMSO +
100% fluconazole] would stay inside my nose, with very little entering my
bloodstream.

So this is another very important fact, which tends to support the safety of
(DMSO + fluconazole), even if it were to be taken ORALLY.
This fact, is that most of the fluconazole seems to end up "stuck", in the place
where it contacts human tissue. When that is the skin, most of it "stops" at
the site of application, so very little goes into the bloodstream.

I assume, that if you swallowed large amounts of (DMSO + fluconazole), it would
"stop", in the membranes of the mouth, esophagus, and stomach, with just a small
percentage entering the bloodstream. And even the [DMSO + fluconazole] that
enters the bloodstream, might tend to have a very different, (i.e. less side
effects???), effect, than ORALLY ADMINISTERED plain fluconazole in the
bloodstream.

But when you take ORAL plain Diflucan/fluconazole, ALL OF IT GOES INTO YOUR
BLOODSTREAM, so the side effects measured are from that level, in the
bloodstream, reaching the liver, etc. (DMSO + fluconazole) is actually still
very mysterious, in many ways.
The two drugs do not "bond chemically", so it is just a mixture, like salt in
water.

But obviously, some sort of "bond" must take place, for DMSO to "carry" the
fluconazole into the body. After 40 years of over 11,000 studies done on DMSO,
NO ONE HAS FIGURED OUT EXACTLY HOW THIS HAPPENS (!)
And I believe that the [DMSO + fluconazole] in the bloodstream may certainly be
less "damaging", than an equal amount of plain fluconazole in the bloodstream.

But all this is JUST EDUCATED GUESSING, because no one knows, because no one
would spend the research money on it, because DMSO can't be patented, for any
company to make money from it.

But I digress. Concerning the dangers of Diflucan/fluconazole, I have used an
awful lot of 1% med, during about two years. I am also very cynical, about the
ability of medical science, to actually detect and/or measure something like
damage to the liver.

In any case, I have used all that 1% med, without any doctor's advice, so I have
had no access to any tests which might have been done, to detect liver damage.
So that's in the back of my mind.

Do I really think I have any liver damage, or any other side effects, from
topically applied [DMSO + fluconazole]?
Absolutely not.

But I have to admit, that I'm not exactly in "Clinical Science" territory here,
especially when I try to help you in your situation. Also, my feeling is that
even if I have some liver damage, (and I feel fine), it's worth it, to have
gotten rid of the rosacea.
People other than myself, with mild rosacea, might feel differently about that,
but since I believe that rosacea will slowly grow progressively worse in
everyone, (and do more damage that is not removable with this cure), I recommend
that all rosaceans use this med and cure their rosacea.

So, to wrap up on the "med mouthwash swishing", it most likely wouldn't hurt to
do it, especially if one does not go crazy with too large an amount of the 1%
med.

I'm not sure about using the 10% med, with 100 mg of fluconazole per ML.
Perhaps a maximum of 1.5 ML would be OK, of the 10% med, but perhaps it should
only be done occasionally, (once a month?), and not every day.

The 100% med?, (which does not yet exist). Absolutely not! Even though it is
conceivable, that "swishing" one ML of this, (containing 1,000 mg of
fluconazole), inside the mouth could turn out to be safe, I would not do it,
because we know that anything over 400 mg of plain ORAL fluconazole per day is
dangerous.

In my case, I'm on a fixed income, so I just couldn't justify the cost of using
too much of the med in the mouth, (and I would never spit it out).

By God, I paid for it, and I would swallow it. Ha, ha.
But I am serious. :-)
I hope this helps, Janey.
God Bless,
Dave Fleming

>From: Janey wrote:
>To: fulltruth40@...
>Subject: rosacea cure
>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 05:41:21 +0000
>
>Dave, Sorry about the wrong address. I'm still not much of a
>computer wizard.
Anyway, thank you for the encouragement & I think
>that is a great idea about the swishing with it!.
Also, I have thought about swallowing small amounts of it.
I am thinking maybe when I run out of meds this time,
I will try to get the 10% next time.

I will keep you posted. On behalf of all rosacean sufferers,
>I thank you.

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Apr. 19, 2004
Dave Fleming wrote:
Hi, Janey,
I'm sorry that I cannot be of more help.
It's almost a spiritual weeeeeeeooooooooooeeeeeee, sort of "Twilight Zone"
thing, that you would ask that.
Only four days ago, I asked myself that same question, for the first time in my
life.
I had accidently bitten my inside left cheek, while I was eating an orange in
the afternoon.
It was a real "chomper" by the back molars, and I grimaced, as I felt the piece
of "hanging skin", with my tongue.
The inside of the mouth seems to be extremely resiliant, to such damage. This
particular bite mark seems to be mostly gone now, and it never even hurt.

Anyway, it crossed my mind, as I was applying the 10% med in my nose, that
night, when I was swallowing some, and I brought it up into my mouth, where I
could taste it, and sort of rubbed the bitten spot with my tongue, (with the med
in my mouth).

It sounds like an OK idea, that makes sense, to treat the inside of the mouth,
because part of the cheek area, on my left side, was more resistent to
treatment, than the rest of my face.

I might have forgotten about it, if you had not mentioned it, but you may have
hit on a very important point.
I do believe it's possible that one reason that the worst part of my rosacea,
which was on my nose, reponded so well, was that I could treat it from "both
sides", inside and out.
This could very well apply to the cheeks, as well. In my case, that was clearly
a "target area", which needed more attention/treatment, over a much longer time
period.

But I had put it out of my mind, mainly, I guess, because it seems like it would
be difficult, to keep the inside area "dry" enough, long enough, (ten minutes),
for the med to be absorbed well.

I might as well mention something to you, that I am actually afraid to even
discuss publicly yet, because of all the confusion and wrong thinking it could
cause.

I have wondered, about what the effect(s) might be, of swallowing a substantial
dosage of this med, as ORALLY ADMINISTERED [FLUCONAZOLE 1% SOLUTION].
Both DMSO and fluconazole are taken individually, ORALLY, with well defined
Warnings, and dosage levels.

Swallowing a ML or more of the [FLUCONAZOLE 1% SOLUTION] might not help treat
the rosacea, because most of the med might simply get "stuck" in the lining of
the mouth, esophagus, and perhaps the stomach, but some would definitely go into
the bloodstream, as well.

But if one "swished it", inside the mouth, for a long time, that might be the
way to treat the inside of the mouth!

From what I can learn, DMSO only starts to have the annoyance of the "garlic
breath" produced inside the lungs, (from the metabolism of the DMSO), at perhaps
5 to 15 ML, either ORALLY ADMINISTERED, or TOPICALLY APPLIED, and the amount of
[DMSO + fluconazole] used as a "med mouthwash" would be far less than 5 ML, so
there should be zero "garlic breath" odor, which would only be a temporary
annoyance, anyway, even if it did occur.

So, the 1% med has 10 mg of fluconazole per ML.
That fluconazole content is so low, that a whole 15 ML bottle of the 1% med has
only 150 mg, the accepted one-time dose for women who take plain fluconazole
ORALLY, for a yeast infection.
The 10% med has 100 mg per ML, which might start getting really dangerous, (to
swallow the whole bottle), since the highest dose of ORAL fluconazole allowed, I
believe, is 400 mg per day, and the 15 ML bottle would have 1,500 mg of
fluconazole in it.

But to come back to something "normal", treating the nose, for me, involves just
one
q-tip's worth, in each nostril.
If I'm really ambitious, I'll use two or three per each nostril. But that's
still a miniscule amount of the med, which I've figured is about 0.1 ML per six
q-tips.
(i.e. 60 q-tips worth = 1 ML) This is not re-dipping, but dipping 60 individual
q-tips.

Anyway, I have recently been wanting to find out how much a [FLUCONAZOLE 100%
SOLUTION] would cost. I called recently, but my CP, Michael Roberge, was out of
his office, so I just left the question in a message.
He might think I'm nuts, if he got the message. :-)

A 100% med would have one full gram, (i.e. 1,000 mg), of fluconazole per ML.
But if one were to buy less than 15 ML, it might not be too expensive, and I'm
looking to just treat the inside of my nose with it.
According to my calculations two q-tips worth of [DMSO + 100% fluconazole] would
contain 33 mg of fluconazole. So, even if I used three q-tips worth in each
nostril, that would only be 99 mg of fluconazole, which I believe would be
completely safe, (and more effective then the 10% med?).

So, I have allowed myself to "think out loud", with you, so please do not "hold
me" to any of these ramblings, OK? :-)
I still think that I'm as much in the dark on much of this, as anyone using this
med. That's partially because each person is different. But it's also because
this is a real frontier.

You've inspired me, so I'm going to try to talk with the famous Dr. S. Jacob,
the "father of DMSO", again tomorrow. He's about 80 now, but just as quick as
anyone, still working every day.
It's so hard to form my questions for him, because he has perfect knowledge
about DMSO, but he may not really know about how fluconazole mixes with the
DMSO.

For example, I know that 25 grams of fluconazole will dissolve in one ML of
alcohol, at room temperture. Since that is most likely similar for DMSO, that
means that it is possible to make a 2,500% med. That's [FLUCONAZOLE 2,500%
SOLUTION].
Ha, ha.
But how much of the 10% med actually goes into the bloodstream, when it is
applied to the face, (or "swished" inside the mouth)?
Although we know that a very small amount does go into the bloodstream, I
believe that no one knows the actual, accurate figure.
That's the kind of pioneer frontier we're on.

So, thanks for the inspiration, Janey. I hope you start getting better results,
and I truly am sorry that this treatment is such a hassle for us.
But if you had seen what my rosacea looked like, I'm sure you would understand
how grateful I am for this cure.
I still encourage you to know, that every bit of our suffering in this matter
helps those rosaceans who discover this later.
God Bless,
Dave Fleming
Janey wrote:
Dave,
Thanks for the information. I was wondering what you thought about
applying the med. to the inside of cheeks(inside mouth).
Would that be much different than applying to the inside of the nose?
Just a thought.
Thanks again. Will let you know any progress I have.

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Feb. 4, 2004
Subject: ORALLY ADMINISTERED Diflucan/fluconazole
Dave Fleming wrote:
Hi, Janey,
----MESSAGE EDITED----
Good to hear from you.
As for taking ORAL plain fluconazole/Diflucan, along with the topical treatment
with (DMSO + fluconazole), I cannot recommend it.
The possible side effects with ORAL plain fluconazole/Diflucan are horrendous.

And remember, when they state that permanent liver damage or death have
resulted, that means that people that have no apparent "damage", may have liver
damage that just is not easy to prove or detect.
Whenever you have such dire side effects proven, to me, it means that every
person that takes that drug has "some" damage, but it just doesn't "show".

In other words, it can't be proven, but that doesn't mean that you may not end
up very sorry later that you ever took the ORAL plain fluconazole/Diflucan, or,
worse yet, never know what caused your future health "problems".
TOPICALLY APPLIED (DMSO + fluconazole) simply does not have these dangerous
potential side effects.
Here's what I stated, in rosacea-cure message #2:
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"I hate to admit it, but I've wondered if the topical would work better, or more
efficiently, or more quickly, if it were used at the same time as oral
fluconazole were taken. I say "hate", because I have read every word of the
official specifications and cautions for fluconazole/Diflucan taken orally, and
they actually list permanent liver damage and death as possible side effects [!]
These are the kind of irreversible side effects that make me believe I never
want to even try oral Diflucan, but I have shed many tears recently, reading
messages involving rosaceans who are very close to suicide, and I know they
might want to use both oral and topical at once, to be cured more effectively
than I have been..."
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Sooooooooooooo, I actually do not know.
It seems that a one-time 150 mg dose of ORAL Diflucan is well tolerated by many
women, but what good would just a one-time dose do, in treating this highly
resistant parasite/fungus, (or whatever it is), that causes rosacea?

Only very sick people take Diflucan on any long-term basis, and I believe that
their doctor has to constantly run blood tests, to determine if liver damage has
occured, so that the ORAL Diflucan can be immediately discontinued.

I also do not trust any doctor with this kind of question, because they are so
used to pushing oral drugs with side effects, and they know that they are
"legally protected", if any side effects occur.
Soooooooooooo, perhaps both ORAL and topical together will be proven to be the
"best way" in the future, but I doubt it, and if damage occurs, it cannot be
"undone".

I hope you don't try it.

Another reality, is that it is known that DMSO carries the fluconazole INSIDE
EACH HUMAN CELL, where the ORAL Diflucan cannot go. The ORAL Diflucan can only
go into the bloodstream, OUTSIDE THE HUMAN CELLS, so it is very probably
useless, to take ORAL Diflucan to affect rosacea.
The DMSO somehow "carries" the Diflucan through every membrane in the body,
including each individual CELL MEMBRANE.
The ORAL Diflucan cannot do this.

So, you have asked a very good question. It actually might be possible to
justify taking (DMSO + fluconazole/Diflucan) LIQUID, ORALLY, but the effects of
doing this are not fully understood. Someday, carefully controlled clinical
trials may be attempted, to try this without harming anyone, but not now, Janey.
Please, not now.
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[editor's note: Later thinking on this subject, is that it should be very safe,
and beneficial, to "swish" a small amount of [DMSO + 1% fluconazole], or even
one ML or less, of [DMSO + 10% fluconazole], around in the mouth, in order to
treat the entire cheek areas, (where rosacea symptoms abound) from the inside,
together with the topical application of the med to the "outside" of the cheeks.

Whether the "swished med mouthwash" should then be swallowed, for its whole-body
effect, (possibly good for ocular rosacea), is a question that each doctor would
have to advise their patient on. My opinion, although I have never done this,
is that this "med mouthwash" would be completely safe to swallow, in low
dosages, with your doctor's advice and consent. - DF]
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Dave Fleming
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Janey wrote:
Dave,
I might better wait or try to call and see how to get in touch with your
Compounding Pharmacist in case my doctor wants to talk with him before
prescribing the stronger 10% med.
Thanks for keeping me posted. I am looking forward to trying the stronger med
and hoping I will be able to see a significant improvement.
I hope that my doctor will prescribe it for me.
Also, what do you think about taking oral Diflucan along with topical?

God Bless. Janey
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Feb. 3, 2004
Dave Fleming wrote:
Hi, Janey,
----MESSAGE EDITED----
It's good to hear from you.
You state, "I am going to apply the med like you said so hopefully I will see
better results."
Actually, if you apply this One% med ten times at one sitting, (i.e. within 3 to
5 hours), I expect that the "reaction" may be much greater, with peeling and
redness/pinkness to last a month, with plenty of "healing-itching" during that
time.

Since I believe that the temporary pinkness/peeling/itching is the result of
your immune system finally being able to attack and "carry away" this extensive
"parasite network", which has established itself in your skin for perhaps more
than thirty years, we should be happy that the body's immune system can
accomplish this in just a month, (with each repeat "cycle").
Therefore, you really should seriously consider using the "anti-inflammatory,
anti-wrinkle" cream that I recommended to you. Here is the info as I stated it,
in rosacea-cure message #187:
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"Reviva Labs: Alpha-Lipoic-Acid-Vitamin-C-Ester-&-DMAE Cream

This is under $20.00, available only from the Vitamin Shoppe chain of stores, to
my knowledge. These stores are in only 18 states, but they sell through the
web, at:
vitaminshoppe.com
and also through a toll-free phone number, at:
1-800-223-1216
This "anti-inflammatory" cream says on the label to use it at "night time", but
I believe it should also be used in the morning, to help "blend in" whatever
peeling skin may occur, so that it does not show, during the day.

Vitamin Shoppe also sells Dr. Perricone's books.
I highly recommend buying his book, "The Perricone Prescription", and, to the
best of your ability, following his dietary advice, and taking the supplements
that he recommends. It is very easy to do this.

None of the above "additions" are necessary, but I believe they may certainly
help your skin "regenerate" more efficiently, from the temporary peeling and
redness that are part of "killing" this "rosacea causing entity", with
[FLUCONAZOLE 1% SOLUTION].
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I fully appreciate your not using anything on your face, but I am sure you will
suffer far less, if you have and use this cream, at night, and to help "blend
in" the unsightly peeling, DURING THE DAY, that I expect will most likely occur,
if you apply the med ten times in one sitting, as I have recommended.

You state, "I can just leave my skin natural and let the healing process work"
I agree with you, (be sure to read rosacea-cure message #189), but the "healing
process" is a bloody, feverish battle, between your immune system and this newly
defeated parasite, which is extensively, integrally "attached" to your skin,
(for decades), so you will suffer far less, I believe, by using this cream,
during the month that you are not applying any medication.
Please believe me, Janey.
Also, of course, you should also get Dr. Perricone's book, and take the
supplements he recommends, which you can get cheaply from Vitamin Shoppe, (as I
list above).

You have been courageous and exemplary in all ways, Janey, and you believe in
God.

I believe that God wants you to suffer as little as possible, as you rid
yourself of this rosacea-beast, so please pray carefully, about whether you
should follow my advice, OK?
It will not be the end of the world, if for any reason you do not follow all my
advice.

In fact, it is just my opinion, that this med should not be applied every day,
but rather should be applied many times at one sitting, and should not be
applied while the body's immune system is working to "carry away" the dead body
of this parasite.

I could be incorrect in this opinion, but I do have good reasons for believing
this.

The bottom line, is that either method most likely works, in the end, but I
believe that "my" method will be more efficient, and CAUSE LESS SUFFERING to the
rosacean who is being cured.
God Bless,
Dave Fleming
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Janey wrote:
Hi Dave,
Thanks for emailing me back. I know this is going to sound weird, but this
week I can tell a slight improvement in the redness.

I don't know how else to describe it, but it's like it will show improvement,
then after a couple days or week go back to red again.
I am still going to use it because I am sure I will see good results if I
just stick to it.

I am going to apply the med like you said so hopefully I will see better
results.
That's a good idea that I might consider about going to the doctor and seeing
if he will prescribe the 10% Fluconazole.
Thank you for the offer to pay for the med, but I could never accept money for
that.
I just really appreciate you taking the time to spread the word about the cure
and all the advice you've given.

I will probably get reimbursed for a percentage by my ins. company anyway. I
have filed but there was a delay, because of needing the NDC#.

Even if I don't , the cure is worth more than mere money to me!

Also, I have not bought any of the wrinkle cream because that part went away
and the last time I applied the med it wasn't really issue.
I don't really use cover cream or make-up because I didn't really want to put
anything else on my skin that would aggravate my skin.
I try to use it on the days I don't have to work so I can just leave my skin
natural and let the healing process work.
Please let me know what you think.

I just hope others will try this also.
This is the only thing I have had in 23 years to show any improvement. Thank
you so much.
God Bless
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Dec. 14, 2003
Subject: Rosacea Cure
Dave Fleming wrote:
Hi, Janey,
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It's good to hear from you.
Some of the temporary wrinkling/redness can last for several days, although the
wrinkling is usually gone within five hours to overnight.
I have noticed some almost microscopic wrinkles left on the back of my left
hand, where I used this med to get rid of some sort of deeply rooted
infestation, but that was entirely different, (i.e. not rosacea), than what
happened with the rosacea on my face.

I do not believe that any of the wrinkles on my face have been caused by this
treatment/cure.

Because I really did not know, in the beginning, how amazing this cure would be,
I do not remember exact facts about this cure. To the best of my memory, I
applied this many times, in the first two weeks.
How many applications? Honest to God, I don't know, because I was putting it on
as much as I could stand it. Perhaps three or four applications in one day, for
a couple of days? Perhaps only a few times, in one week?

Even within one month, I could see clear good results, because the pustules were
immediatly improved. But I wasn't really looking for "good results" per se,
because I was convinced that this med was "attacking" the rosacea, so I stuck
with it, no matter what.
After the first couple of weeks, I believe I decreased the number of
applications. But exact numbers/facts, about the next six months, are
impossible for me to specify. Once I saw improvement, I would wait until I
thought I could "take it" some more, and put on another application.
When I vigorously towel-rubbed off the peeling skin, after showering, it would
be raw skin, so I was "forced" to wait for several days, until it had improved
enough to apply more of the med. Also, I was doing a lot of traveling, and I
could not use the med at that time.
At some point, I remember using a "concealer" makeup that I had used for years,
to cover the redness when I went to pick up a refill, because I was afraid that
the Compounding Pharmacist might cut off my supply of this med, if he knew I was
using it on my face.
This was perhaps a month or two after starting.

Later, after about six months, (or was it five?, or eight months?), when I felt
that the cure was basically 100%, I arranged a private meeting with my
Compounding Pharmacist, to try to share with him the amazing nature of what had
happened, and "pick his brain", concerning how this could be communicated to the
world.

I was still apprehensive, about revealing this to him, because I didn't want to
be "cut off" from the med, if I needed to use it more in the future, but he was
very open-minded and very helpful, and we talked at length about many aspects of
the situation.

As it turned out, I was traveling a lot during the 2002-2003 winter, and I could
not get on the internet, until the spring of 2003, when I finally unpacked my
computer, after having been overseas off and on, for many years, prior to 2000.

So, in April 2003, when I first tried to "announce" this, I had been free of any
rosacea symptoms for about eight months, even though I had applied the med in
Jan. 2003, to see if there was any "reaction". There was basically none, so I
was more confident than ever, that this was a permanent cure.

I do believe that a "reinfestation" could occur in my case in the future, but I
am confident that I will cure the rosacea again with this med, if that occurs.
I am very sure, (for many reasons), that this is not a case of "remission" of
the rosacea.

On the contrary, the changes in the skin are so striking, and the skin feels so
healthy, that it is clear that the rosacea could not return any time soon. It
is still very clear to me, that this med attacks and destroys the CAUSE of the
rosacea, and it is therefore "permanent", except for the fact that a
"reinfestation" might occur in the future.

Of course, such a "reinfestation" might never occur.
So, the bottom line in your situation, in my opinion, is that the skin takes
from four to six weeks to return absolutely to "normal", after applying this
med.

If you wait that long, I believe there is no doubt whatsoever, that the wrinkles
you are concerned about will be gone.
But you might bring results more quickly by appliying the med more often, if you
are confident that it is better to get rid of the rosacea, even if there were
some minor wrinkles left, after the treatment.
I do not believe that such wrinkling is permanent, but even if it were, I would
still try to convince you that that is not nearly as bad as allowing the rosacea
to continue to damage you more and more.
Once you know and accept these "basic rules" of the tragedy of rosacea, you may
be happy to get rid of your rosacea, even if some minor wrinkles were to be
left.

I know that it's easy for me to talk, because I'm a male, and wrinkles don't
affect us as it does you ladies, in our "culture". But I really do believe that
this will not be a problem for you, a couple of months after your last
application of the med, because I do not believe that any significant wrinkles
will remain.

But I believe in stating the worst possible scenario, so I mention this whole
question, of damage that has been done by the rosacea which may only show up
after curing the rosacea.
You should be very sure to get and use the cream that I have recommended to you,
and in rosacea-cure message #187. It is no small matter, because it does
improve the temporary wrinkling that occurs, as well as working as a powerful
anti-inflammatory agent.
BTW, I can send you edited emails from another woman, but it's not easy for me
to do, and her case is completely different than yours. Are you really sure
that you want me sending you ten or more long emails?

If so, please ask me for that one more time, and I'll try to get the work of
editing that completed for you.
Hope all this helps.
Please do continue to update me as often as you can.
God Bless, and have a wonderful holiday season,
Dave Fleming
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From: Janey
To: Dave Fleming <fulltruth40@...>
Subject: Re: Personal to Janey: RE: rosacea
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:14:07 -0800 (PST)
Janey wrote:
Hi Dave,
I would love to receive the other information you have received from that lady.
The more informaiton, the better.
I haven't put any of the diflucan on since I think last Tuesday since the
wrinkling is bothering me. I am hoping it is temporary hopefully because my
skin is really dry.

It seems some days like the redness is shrinking and other days like it has just
lightened it so far, but I think it has improved.
You said in the beginning you put it on a lot, after the first couple of weeks,
did you just put it on once or twice a week?
How much of a cure would you say after say 6 months? Was it like 50%?
Did your rosacea shrink or get lighter or both?
I am just so excited about seeing the future results and what to expect.

Thank you again for sharing this information and being persistant in getting
this information out.

God bless you.
Dave Fleming <fulltruth40@...> wrote:
Hi, Janey,
It really would be best,
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