Dear All

I think we must be open minded.   As has been said there are no rights and

wrongs, and even in a discussion like this there is a lot of common ground. 

There is a lot going on out there, research, work being done on genetics,

physics, healing modalities and their efficacy that even takes the medical

profession to new and wonderful places so maybe we should too.    Personally I

wish I had time to read everything and take everything on board.  But I do

remember a story once told to me about some monkeys on different islands and

when faced with similar problems of survival it was shown they all more or less

came up with the same solution.  So what is happening in America right now, with

the limitations put on reflexology and the law passed that says you have to

become part of the massage qualification, is yet another step that is required

by outside sources to "legitimise" what we do. It has happened in other places

and with time it has been overcome.



When the use of healing modalities goes up in the UK, you can bet your bottom

dollar that the next day in the broadsheets (the more upmarket papers) there is

an article directed at a so-called intelligent section of the population, which

will demean and lower them.  It is quite often reflexology.  They used to do it

to chiropractics, osteopaths and acupuncturists, but they are now accepted in

their own right.    Unfortunately in all of history there has been a lot of fear

borne through misunderstanding and prejudice.  Same here in the UK.  Only a few

hundred years ago we (reflexologists) would have all been hung by the neck or

drowned as witches, heretics and the like for doing the work of the devil (and

some religions still believe so...).   So we have come a long way already.



In England, where I am from, it is enough that you have studied at a

professional level (and yes, it is a profession) are fully qualified and

insured. We do not need a licence to practice (unless it involves breaking the

skin as in acupuncture) but the most successful practitioners do belong to bona

fide associations who are striving to bring educational standards up to a point

where all professional bodies and their teaching methods are integrated.  No-one

should work without insurance. There are still grey areas in this country and

basically any beauty therapist can go on a course and say they are a

reflexologist :(  Personally I frown on that, but I long ago gave up my shield

and charger to go and fight the good fight.)   I have found through experience

that whilst I am fully booked with a waiting list because my reflexology makes a

difference to people, others, including those who have done a diploma or a

college course (arghhh), get very few return clients.



The true test of the efficacy of a particular modality is your return clientele.

If what you are doing works and is bringing your clients and referrals from them

back again  (I have clients on my books for 5 years plus as new problems surface

for them) surely that is the true test.



I personally also find that people want to know.  People are intelligent on the

whole.  They have read about other modalities.  The most common question I ask

is can you have Reiki while having reflexology.  (Though I don't do Reiki)

People are becoming aware that there are other "tools" available to them,

especially in this country when the NHS has failed so many people through

waiting times and ineffective or too many pills.   People throughout the world

are taking back control.  They are seeking out our services from a desire to be

more natural; they don't want to keep popping pills.  They read up things on the

internet.  They ask what I can do for them. What does this mean.  What does a

certain colour mean.  Personally I would feel inadequate as a therapist,

remembering i am taking their money, if I could not answer their questions with

at least the basics.



As for me, when I learned reflexology no-one explained to me about how the

body's energy (which is fluid) can fluctuate.  Nobody explained to me that as a

therapist I could suffer "transference".  Very shortly after starting out I

would know what the person's problem is when they entered the room because I

felt it in my body. I was open and receiving and was not taught how to block

that and be grounded and ready to give my session clearly. It was only on a

workshop that I was allowed to feel my own body energy (aura) fluctuating and

when I went to a linking workshop, which doubled up with a work shop by Moss

Arnold on meridians, that lots of pennies dropped.  We shouldn't even be taught

reflexology without going into body energy, how emotions affect us, and the

transference of energy between two people.    In my opinion therefore all these

other modalities should come before traditional reflexology, not afterwards!



To have no fear is very liberating.  I have worked with every contraindication

listed in every reflexology book I have found, with 100% success.  Not through

stubborn-ness, but because the opportunities came up and I went with the flow.  

My fear is that as therapists if we don't go with the flow (of life, and all its

many shapes and colours reflected in the more "holistic" aspects of reflexology,

including what the feet show me at every level not just physical), then we will

become stagnated.  Then we become mediocre, and cannot bend with our clients.



The science of reflexology is there for all to study.  If you want to be rigid

in its application and that works for you - great.  There is so much benefit to

be had.  If you want to go beyond the original concept - and there are many who

have and have had a struggle getting their work accepted - then that should be

fine too.  Then it becomes an art.



Give a little in your practice .... the rewards are indescribable.

With love





   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Evelyn McCormack

   To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:24 PM

   Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked.....too





   Dear Kevin,



   I read your post and couldn't agree with you more.



   Reflexology will never die, it is only growing and despite all the people out

there trying to damage our reputation and our PROFESSION, nothing but human

warmth with a healing and loving spirit would be able to substitute us for

machines or electrodes.



   No machine will be able never to substitute the warmth of a hug, a human hug.

No lawyer and no journalist will be able never to destroy people's hearts.

Reflexology is stepping forward, I am glad that Moshe brought all those

outstanding news from Australia. I was so happy yesterday when I read his

post!!! Everyone of us should cheer what's happening now with Reflexology.



   I've learnt on your books. When my youngest son was a newborn, somebody handed

me The Complete Parents' guide to Reflexology.



   I am afraid of those Reflexologists who claim having founded Reflexology and

try to seed on the ignorance of other people with no more backup than a monetary

and commercial objective. There is a very famous Reflexologist out there who

claims having that credit....of having founded Reflexology. Not you. I am afraid

of those Reflexologists who invent stories, lie or steal techniques from other

people and immediately create and make a trademark with a bombastic name as if

it was their invention or discovery. I am afraid of these people's low level of

ethics, so low that they will never be able to understand what the word ethics

mean. I know who am I talking about.



   Therefore, I had a problem in matching the same person whose books I read with

passion and seeded so much for the welfare of Reflexology as you did with the

person who attacked without a reason other sources of knowledge that YES can

enrich Reflexology as a Therapy.



   Best wishes



   Lov,



   Eve



   ----- Original Message ----

   From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

   To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2007 4:41:30 PM

   Subject: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked.....too



   I started this and I don't want to continue a flame war on this group. So

after a good

   night's sleep let me tell you what is bothering me.



   We are not a profession.. . yet. We may have the trimming and look the part

but we are still

   in infancy. Why do I say that?



   1) We hire a sociologist 27 years ago to help us figure out how to help

reflexology

   become a profession. Her major point was to become a profession you need a

systematic

   body of knowledge. If you don't you have a weak profession which usually has

little

   prestige and low pay.



   2) That same year we published The Complete Guide to Foot Reflexology. It was

one of the

   hardest struggle Barbara and I ever faced. But we felt compelled to do since

even during

   the brief time we saw the field changing. And the field of reflexology was yet

to be

   documented. It was all verbal tradition.



   Publishing that book wasn't something I wanted to do because coming from an

academic

   family. I never what was involved and the sacrifice it meant. But it was

worse.



   No publisher would take us so we had to self publish until Prentice Hall saw

the popularity

   of reflexology and "found" us. they can originally returned "our baby"

unopened.



   But we had at least documented this traditional healing modality. And what

ever happens

   to change the field there is a record.



   3) The hard part was naming techniques and defining things that hadn't really

been

   defined before. Issues went on for weeks and at times months. "Holding hand"

and

   "working hand" was a real struggle. Whether to use the traditional description

of

   techniques such as "thumb walking" became a major debate..



   And then trying to describe the techniques was mind boggling. Barbara was

really the

   brains behind this. Instead of 28 different techniques she simplified them

into three

   techniques plus desserts. It was a revolution. Suddenly more people could do

reflexology

   because it had been simplified.



   4) And then just as we put out Hand and Foot Reflexology: A Self Help Guide we

were put

   out of business in the city of Albuquerque. We weren't qualified to practice

reflexology

   because we didn't have a massage license. We would have had to gone to a local

massage

   school to take training in our own book to be qualified.



   It took 5 very long years to reverse that decision. Then only a couple of

years later it was

   attempted again. It took us 31 meeting to get an exemption from the massage

law.



   The definition was absolutely critical. It had to put us outside the massage

law and not

   infringe on other professions.



   So want is the point of all this. You won't get rich being a writer but you

will preserve

   something even if it is only a little piece. And you will help generations to

come.



   Labeling and defining your practices is absolutely critical. There is no real

room for error.



   And don't look to me if you can't come up with a name for this what -do -you

-call it field.

   That's you job.



   And yes I am concern about the impact of each and every little addition to the

field of

   reflexology. I feel we have earned the right to challenge the additions to

this field and

   push the inventors to document the efficacy, safety and mechanism of action as

well as

   the origin of what they are proposing.



   I am concerned that we may not exist as "reflexologists" in the next few

years, There are

   people out there testing reflexology for the neurotransmitters involved. There

are real

   time ECG's and EKG's tests going on to measure heart rate function and

brain-waves. Will

   we be obsolete before too long because we failed to become a systematic body

of

   knowledge.



   And I am concerned about the latest fad. Strong professions have peer review

to guard

   against the latest fad. We don't. And so the what-do-call- it field is a

danger.



   Our fight has never ended. And it will never end if you love this craft as

passionately we

   are.



   So if you really believe this is a necessary and important addition to the

field of reflexology

   be ready to defend it and don't think we won't notice if it is being slipped

in through the

   back door.



   Until we all embrace our systematic body of knowledge and all become builders

in that

   body of knowledge we are still infants and easy prey to those who see the

potential of

   reflexology monetarily without the heart we all have.



   Kevin Kunz



   BTW Barbara and I had never been writes before The Complete Guide to Foot

Reflexology.

   Barbara learned to illustrate to do that book. And the best part is we had no

money. But

   that is another story.



   --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, learnecm <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

   >

   >

   >

   > Hello Evelyn,

   >

   > After many hours of thinking on your reply to Kevin as well as how I

   > replied back to you. I must admit I seemed to myself a tad harsh.

   >

   > But, after a good night's sleep and again thinking more about your

   > posting, I decided to FINISH what I started to say on the last

   > posting.

   >

   > Before I get too upset at you wanting to TREAT PATIENTS I should have

   > asked where you received YOUR medical degree. Maybe you are an MD.

   > I hae met some wholistic practitioners who are. And some who

   > actually promote Reflexology. For example Doctor Susa Wong MD on

   > Aboutus.com as well as many who have co published bookds on

   > reflexology. So that was unfair of me to assume you were not a

   > medical doctor. If you are, my apologies, you do have the RIGHT to

   > prescribe, diagnose and treat for specific conditions, however

   > looking at the ethical side of things, even medical doctors should

   > not claim to cure everyone they meet.

   >

   > One more note on the fact that you feel your "patients", should not

   > have to told what you are doing and that they come to you with trust

   > and assurance that'whatever' you do is OK and acceptable . . .

   > If a medical doctor tells you that a certain course of treatment is

   > OK and that you should take this little pink pill and you will feel

   > better - what would you do????? I always question my medical

   > doctor, research the treatment (ask questions) before making an

   > informed decision about my treatment. Don't you?

   > If a doctor tells a person, you will need to remove the limb. Don't

   > you want more information before undergoing such radical treatment?

   > I would want to know a heck of lot more about the surgery and if

   > something else could be done and about whether the one practicing

   > (the surgeon in this case) is skilled at what he/she does, not to

   > mention if they are ethical in their beliefs.

   > This example is REAL diabetics all over the world are told that

   > because of foot ulcers they need to "remove the limb" yet in medical

   > facilities around the world the medical community is using hyperberic

   > chambers to treat diabetics and "saving their limbs" Wow. The ones

   > that get this treatment had to SEARCH for it and let the WORLD know

   > it is out there. Just like You and I - we need to let everyone know

   > what REFLEXLOGY is. Don't cloud it with our own slant on things some

   > do. Keep it Pure and if you want to "include" other ideals in your

   > treatment of clients, or "patients" do so as not to risk the

   > physical, mental, OR moral well being of the ones you so dearly want

   > to help and love.

   >

   > Please understand this is not a personal attack on anyone, just how I

   > so deeply believe. We do live in a democratic contry - at least I

   > do, and freedom of belief and speech should never besquashed. But as

   > a medical doctor does have limitations so are all of us.

   >

   > I have much more I would like to say, but I will stop here.

   >

   > Take care and let's live, love and learn,

   >

   > Deb

   >

   > --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, Evelyn McCormack

   > <evelyn10267@ > wrote:

   > >

   > > Dear Kevin,

   > >

   > > Reading your words, I felt shocked too.

   > > I feel compelled to answer to your text.

   > >

   > > I'll insert my answers between your lines.

   > >

   > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

   > about Personality

   > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

   > >

   > > I agree, all of them were very intelligent.

   > >

   > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

   > what they are doing for

   > > their clientele. Labeling is not a matter of choice it is a

   > requirement for the protection of

   > > the consumer.Deeper than the legal question to me is the ethical

   > question. Is client fully and fairly

   > > informed as to the nature of the services?That is a law in at least

   > one state.

   > >

   > > I have patients, perhaps you have a clientele.. I have never

   > considered my patients as "clients", because I am a Therapist. Have

   > you ever heard a Doctor in Medicine talk about his clientele? I'd

   > never go to one who speaks like that. Is it perhaps a cultural

   > difference between you and me? I was born and grew up in Austria, I

   > live now in the UK. I have never heard a practitioner talk about his

   > or her "clientele" but about his or her patients. Perhaps terms can

   > be different from place to place..

   > >

   > > I see not ethical question at all. Nobody is hiding anything from

   > my patients. People who have given me the privilege of their

   > confidence and trust must be respected. I don't provide a "service to

   > my clients", I provide a treatment to my patient.

   > >

   > >

   > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

   > who really felt resentful

   > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

   > upon" with the "latest weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner

   > had just learned.

   > >

   > > Who better than you know that there are many kinds of

   > practitioners? Does it surprise you? Because of one your friend met

   > you are putting an entire group inside the same sac? Come on, Kevin,

   > there are good and responsible and there are unprofessional and

   > charlatans everywhere. With a wide range of variants in the middle.

   > >

   > > As a matter of fact, haven't you ever heard a respectable Doctor of

   > Medicine who experiments upon his patient with the latest article he

   > has read or the latest word in equipment he has purchased?

   > >

   > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

   > a problem with

   > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

   > attached. They are

   > > dangerous.

   > >

   > > Who told you that we give personality assessments? This affirmation

   > shows your total ignorance of the subject you are talking about and

   > attacking without knowledge!!

   > >

   > > You talk about research but you haven't asked questions about how

   > exactly do we apply our knowledge to Reflexology. You attack, attack

   > and attack without giving others the opportunity to explain what is

   > all about.

   > >

   > > I invite you to attend one of Avi Grrenberg or Moshce Kruchik

   > seminars and perhaps you can have an idea of what do they teach and

   > why have they become so famous and respected in the world of

   > Reflexology. ..

   > >

   > > As for dangerous, I feel that it is more dangerous to me the person

   > who fancies himself of knowing about something that he really

   > doesn't, underestimating the real knowledge and skills of those who

   > do.

   > >

   > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

   > stable. They are not necessarily

   > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

   > simplest thing. Planning

   > > with someone's head could backfire.

   > >

   > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

   > Reflexology based on? Where is

   > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

   > contraindications? What are the safety

   > > rules?

   > >

   > > Nobody will be able to answer the question by the simple fact that

   > nobody before has talked about Personality Reflexology. Only you. You

   > are the first who talked about Personality Reflexology, so I invite

   > you to explain to all the members of this respectable forum what is

   > that exactly.

   > >

   > > You are the first one who use this combination of terms. And if you

   > ask my opinion, it is wrong. I don't need labels for everything as

   > if Reflexology was comparable to a bottle of whisky....

   > >

   > > Reflexology is a Therapy based on a theory and we, Reflexologists

   > around the world are trying to demonstrate that our theory is valid,

   > to understand more and more how does it work and how deep it can

   > get.

   > >

   > > Fortunately, Reflexology has many facets, not only one. Reflexology

   > has many sources of knowledge, not only one based on

   > suppositions. ...What kind of contraindications can have a good word,

   > a good dialog with your patient, a good advice given on time....?

   > What are you talking about......?

   > >

   > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that..

   > Not only to the clientele

   > > but to this profession as well.

   > >

   > > Fortunately, not all the Reflexologists think like you do.

   > >

   > > More and more of us around the world are introducing to the

   > practice of Reflexology what you consider dangerous. People like Avi,

   > Chris or Moshe are not teaching us the way to criminality. The three

   > of them are lovely people who devoted themselves to Reflexology and

   > on the contrary, they have made and they are making a great

   > contribution to Reflexology with the knowledge they have. If you

   > suggest that what they teach is dangerous, so poor we.....! I should

   > be a dangerous Therapist too.

   > >

   > > It's a pity that you didn't get properly assessed before you stated

   > such an offence.. With such a statement, you are seriously offending

   > the dignity of lots of Reflexologists around the world.

   > >

   > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

   > It is a personality

   > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

   > >

   > > I'll disappoint you once again. I'll give you that false argument,

   > as you define it. I believe that it is based on holism.

   > >

   > > Kevin, please take a look at the world out there and see what is

   > religious fundamentalism achieving with their arguments of "absolute

   > true".

   > > Just intollerance. ....

   > >

   > > So start throwing your bricks.

   > > I threw the ones you've put on my hands.

   > >

   > > Kevin Kunz

   > > Evelyn McCormack

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > > ----- Original Message ----

   > > From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

   > > To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

   > > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 9:07:29 PM

   > > Subject: [Reflexology Community ] I am shocked

   > >

   > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

   > about Personality

   > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

   > >

   > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

   > what they are doing for

   > > their clientele.

   > > That is a law in at least one state.

   > >

   > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

   > who really felt resentful

   > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

   > upon" with the "latest

   > > weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner had just learned.

   > >

   > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

   > a problem with

   > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

   > attached. They are

   > > dangerous.

   > >

   > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

   > stable. They are not necessarily

   > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

   > simplest thing. Planning

   > > with someone's head could backfire.

   > >

   > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

   > Reflexology based on? Where is

   > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

   > contraindications? What are the safety

   > > rules?

   > >

   > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that.

   > Not only to the clientele

   > > but to this profession as well.

   > >

   > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

   > It is a personality

   > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

   > >

   > > So start throwing your bricks.

   > >

   > > Kevin Kunz

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

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Dear all,



Thank you Kay for your long and enlightening post. Even if it was double the

size there was still a pleasure to read it.



The last days I felt like being inside the eye of the hurricane. Much water,

troubled water, had flown over a bridge that must unite us as Reflexologists.

Something very strange happened here, it was like an earthquake trying to

destroy every single piece of the great building we Reflexologists have been

building for years.

I agree with Eve, my dearest (may I call you student?) colleague. As you well

said, I also believe in Open-Minded Reflexology.



When you go to a Doctor and you tell him about your health problems, sometimes

he might say: it is all in your head.

You go home, frustrated and impotent and ask yourself: am I nuts or what? Should

I need to go to a Psychiatrist, a Psychologist....?

Our great privilege as Reflexologists is that when our patient comes to our

consultation, we can enjoy one whole hour and dedicate it to him as he needs it.

A busy doctor would certainly dedicate no more than 5 minutes to all his

complaints, write a couple of prescriptions without even looking at his

patient's eyes and scream: NEXT!



Then, after having being touring all the circles of hell, disappointed by what

tradicional medicine hasn't provided to him yet, come to us, Reflexologists, as

the last option, their last helping hand...

And then, we have an unusual and excellent opportunity to provide them:

DEDICATION and UNDERSTANDING.

Modern medicine has made great steps towards a good quality of life who all of

us try to enjoy. But sometimes, it acts like they have the right of stripping

the patient from all his capacity of self healing and from his own

responsibility for his own health. When you go to a doctor, you instintively

think that he is the one who is able to bring you healing, but you never think

that he will help you orientate to your own self healing. And this is only the

beginning of an endless vicious cycle where the patient doesn't know how to

break, and wher it doesn't have the opportunity to know why that he is suffering

this certain illness.



When the patient has come to our consultation, we can talk with him, ask him

questions that his physician has never asked to him. Without giving him answers,

we can help him find his own hints to understand why this is happening to him.

Sometimes it is a problem caused by a germ, a microbe, a bacteria. But how many

times is this illness caused by an attitude our patient has been developing for

years. Should we trigger his awareness? Do we have the right for it? Please show

me the written law where it is explicitly said that we cannot help another

person. We are allowed to use our knowledge and it is much better that we

develop a friendly way of communication, so our patient can trust us and feel

that we want to help him. Many illnesses develop precisely because the person

doesn't know his body and has never listened to him. He has deposited the

responsibility of taking care of it on the hands of somebody else.



I have a rule of iron in my practice, which is in fact just a starting point for

further observation. My patient can tell me a lot of lies and tell me lots of

excuses about his own health, but his feet won't lie to me.

When I close the door of my room, it is just my patient and me. He is my master.

If he wants to talk, I'll let him. If he prefers to keep silence, I'll be

silent. I will never interfere with his decisions. When he feels open enough to

talk and to ask, I will talk and I will answer. Being gentle. Without attacking

or trying to preech over his conscience. I'll try to show him the way to

understand why is he suffering his illness, based on a deep holistic

understanding. I always try to help my patients understand that there is always

a reason for what they are suffering and it can become a great opportunity to

understand from mistakes. As Evelyn well said, without being a judge, without

pointing this is right and this is wrong. I will be there to escort him through

the path of his own truth.



His feet show not only the physical, but also the emotional and the spiritual.

Yes, Kay, I am sure that if we talked like that 400 years ago, we were hanged

from our nails.

Look at Hyppocrates....2500 years ago he said that there are four main fluids

(or humours) flowing through the body: blood, flegm, black bile and yellow bile.

This is why being on a good humour means to be on a good mood. He meant a good

combination of humours is what makes the spirit flow over the body. Hyppocrates!

The father of medicine! Please show me a doctor who talks like that today. He

will be accused to be a charlatan!  Hyppocrates theories were the beginning of

medicine and medicine was born as a holistic science. He also described the four

types of character: sanguine for blood, the happy and smiling person, flegmatic

for phlegm, the lethargic and apathic person, the colleric (coln in greek means

bile) to define the guy dominated by yellow bile= anger, and the melancholic

(from greek mellan= black, cholic= bile) dominated by black bile, sad and

depressive.



How many of this holistic approach have we lost through the years?  As

Reflexologists, we have a golden opportunity to interpret the whole world

represented by the two feet. The feet explain the physical, the emotional and

the mind, the one that links between them. Reflexology is not only where and

when to press or what is the best technique to use. Reflexology is a whole world

of understanding on the bottom of your body, your feet represent who you are and

why you are like this. They represent your personality, so a whole knowledge of

personality can also be trusted from the enormous well of information that your

feet show.



How curious! The word Personality comes from the ancient Latin: Per Sonare (to

sound, to echoe a voice), a term born in the ancient Roman theatre. Theatres

were open air, in a period in which there were not amplifiers, so they needed

something to boost the volume of their voices. So they used masks, the famous

masks of the Roman theatre. These masks were called PERSONAE, . The PERSONAGE

was the one who carried the mask. The term PERSONALITY has been rooted as the

expression used to define what's beyond our attitudes, the one who carries the

mask.



Many times we are so much into our religion that we forget about God. Many times

we are so much into research that we forget our own intuition and our own

senses.

Research is useful, but intuition and dialog is beautiful. When my little

daughter comes to me crying and complaining of tummy ache every time I have to

fly abroad to deliver a course, I know that she is giving a physical expression

to her frustration and sadness. I don't need a research for that. But if I had

one, I would certainly read it with pleasure.



Now there is a world movement, a great, pleasant one> FREE HUGS, to make you

feel good. Are they allowed to do that? Have they done a Research to test the

effects of a hug? Or are there some other non written elements that make humans

still develop a primitive sense of self help through their own intuition,

collective help and cooperation?

Is there a research made about the effect of love? Why do people get married

then?



Until all the necessary research in this world is complete and done, we,

Reflexologists and loving human beings, still have our intuition and an open

mind to understand the secrets of our own nature.



With great love



Mauricio (Moshe) Kruchik

www.maternityreflexology.net

www.theartofreflexology.com















If you are carrying with you a certain illness, you





Reflexology is one, it is a therapy by own right and we must call ourselves a

profession by own right.









----- Original Message ----

From: kay sainsbury <kay.sainsbury@...>

To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:06:00 AM

Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a bit

long



Dear All

I think we must be open minded. As has been said there are no rights and wrongs,

and even in a discussion like this there is a lot of common ground. There is a

lot going on out there, research, work being done on genetics, physics, healing

modalities and their efficacy that even takes the medical profession to new and

wonderful places so maybe we should too. Personally I wish I had time to read

everything and take everything on board. But I do remember a story once told to

me about some monkeys on different islands and when faced with similar problems

of survival it was shown they all more or less came up with the same solution.

So what is happening in America right now, with the limitations put on

reflexology and the law passed that says you have to become part of the massage

qualification, is yet another step that is required by outside sources to

"legitimise" what we do. It has happened in other places and with time it has

been overcome.



When the use of healing modalities goes up in the UK, you can bet your bottom

dollar that the next day in the broadsheets (the more upmarket papers) there is

an article directed at a so-called intelligent section of the population, which

will demean and lower them. It is quite often reflexology. They used to do it to

chiropractics, osteopaths and acupuncturists, but they are now accepted in their

own right. Unfortunately in all of history there has been a lot of fear borne

through misunderstanding and prejudice. Same here in the UK. Only a few hundred

years ago we (reflexologists) would have all been hung by the neck or drowned as

witches, heretics and the like for doing the work of the devil (and some

religions still believe so...). So we have come a long way already.



In England, where I am from, it is enough that you have studied at a

professional level (and yes, it is a profession) are fully qualified and

insured. We do not need a licence to practice (unless it involves breaking the

skin as in acupuncture) but the most successful practitioners do belong to bona

fide associations who are striving to bring educational standards up to a point

where all professional bodies and their teaching methods are integrated. No-one

should work without insurance. There are still grey areas in this country and

basically any beauty therapist can go on a course and say they are a

reflexologist :( Personally I frown on that, but I long ago gave up my shield

and charger to go and fight the good fight.) I have found through experience

that whilst I am fully booked with a waiting list because my reflexology makes a

difference to people, others, including those who have done a diploma or a

college course (arghhh), get very few return

  clients.



The true test of the efficacy of a particular modality is your return clientele.

If what you are doing works and is bringing your clients and referrals from them

back again (I have clients on my books for 5 years plus as new problems surface

for them) surely that is the true test.



I personally also find that people want to know. People are intelligent on the

whole. They have read about other modalities. The most common question I ask is

can you have Reiki while having reflexology. (Though I don't do Reiki) People

are becoming aware that there are other "tools" available to them, especially in

this country when the NHS has failed so many people through waiting times and

ineffective or too many pills. People throughout the world are taking back

control. They are seeking out our services from a desire to be more natural;

they don't want to keep popping pills. They read up things on the internet. They

ask what I can do for them. What does this mean. What does a certain colour

mean. Personally I would feel inadequate as a therapist, remembering i am taking

their money, if I could not answer their questions with at least the basics.



As for me, when I learned reflexology no-one explained to me about how the

body's energy (which is fluid) can fluctuate. Nobody explained to me that as a

therapist I could suffer "transference" . Very shortly after starting out I

would know what the person's problem is when they entered the room because I

felt it in my body. I was open and receiving and was not taught how to block

that and be grounded and ready to give my session clearly. It was only on a

workshop that I was allowed to feel my own body energy (aura) fluctuating and

when I went to a linking workshop, which doubled up with a work shop by Moss

Arnold on meridians, that lots of pennies dropped. We shouldn't even be taught

reflexology without going into body energy, how emotions affect us, and the

transference of energy between two people. In my opinion therefore all these

other modalities should come before traditional reflexology, not afterwards!



To have no fear is very liberating. I have worked with every contraindication

listed in every reflexology book I have found, with 100% success. Not through

stubborn-ness, but because the opportunities came up and I went with the flow.

My fear is that as therapists if we don't go with the flow (of life, and all its

many shapes and colours reflected in the more "holistic" aspects of reflexology,

including what the feet show me at every level not just physical), then we will

become stagnated. Then we become mediocre, and cannot bend with our clients.



The science of reflexology is there for all to study. If you want to be rigid in

its application and that works for you - great. There is so much benefit to be

had. If you want to go beyond the original concept - and there are many who have

and have had a struggle getting their work accepted - then that should be fine

too. Then it becomes an art.



Give a little in your practice .... the rewards are indescribable.

With love



----- Original Message -----

From: Evelyn McCormack

To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



Dear Kevin,



I read your post and couldn't agree with you more.



Reflexology will never die, it is only growing and despite all the people out

there trying to damage our reputation and our PROFESSION, nothing but human

warmth with a healing and loving spirit would be able to substitute us for

machines or electrodes.



No machine will be able never to substitute the warmth of a hug, a human hug. No

lawyer and no journalist will be able never to destroy people's hearts.

Reflexology is stepping forward, I am glad that Moshe brought all those

outstanding news from Australia. I was so happy yesterday when I read his

post!!! Everyone of us should cheer what's happening now with Reflexology.



I've learnt on your books. When my youngest son was a newborn, somebody handed

me The Complete Parents' guide to Reflexology.



I am afraid of those Reflexologists who claim having founded Reflexology and try

to seed on the ignorance of other people with no more backup than a monetary and

commercial objective. There is a very famous Reflexologist out there who claims

having that credit....of having founded Reflexology. Not you. I am afraid of

those Reflexologists who invent stories, lie or steal techniques from other

people and immediately create and make a trademark with a bombastic name as if

it was their invention or discovery. I am afraid of these people's low level of

ethics, so low that they will never be able to understand what the word ethics

mean. I know who am I talking about.



Therefore, I had a problem in matching the same person whose books I read with

passion and seeded so much for the welfare of Reflexology as you did with the

person who attacked without a reason other sources of knowledge that YES can

enrich Reflexology as a Therapy.



Best wishes



Lov,



Eve



----- Original Message ----

From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2007 4:41:30 PM

Subject: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



I started this and I don't want to continue a flame war on this group. So after

a good

night's sleep let me tell you what is bothering me.



We are not a profession.. . yet. We may have the trimming and look the part but

we are still

in infancy. Why do I say that?



1) We hire a sociologist 27 years ago to help us figure out how to help

reflexology

become a profession. Her major point was to become a profession you need a

systematic

body of knowledge. If you don't you have a weak profession which usually has

little

prestige and low pay.



2) That same year we published The Complete Guide to Foot Reflexology. It was

one of the

hardest struggle Barbara and I ever faced. But we felt compelled to do since

even during

the brief time we saw the field changing. And the field of reflexology was yet

to be

documented. It was all verbal tradition.



Publishing that book wasn't something I wanted to do because coming from an

academic

family. I never what was involved and the sacrifice it meant. But it was worse.



No publisher would take us so we had to self publish until Prentice Hall saw the

popularity

of reflexology and "found" us. they can originally returned "our baby" unopened.



But we had at least documented this traditional healing modality. And what ever

happens

to change the field there is a record.



3) The hard part was naming techniques and defining things that hadn't really

been

defined before. Issues went on for weeks and at times months. "Holding hand" and

"working hand" was a real struggle. Whether to use the traditional description

of

techniques such as "thumb walking" became a major debate..



And then trying to describe the techniques was mind boggling. Barbara was really

the

brains behind this. Instead of 28 different techniques she simplified them into

three

techniques plus desserts. It was a revolution. Suddenly more people could do

reflexology

because it had been simplified.



4) And then just as we put out Hand and Foot Reflexology: A Self Help Guide we

were put

out of business in the city of Albuquerque. We weren't qualified to practice

reflexology

because we didn't have a massage license. We would have had to gone to a local

massage

school to take training in our own book to be qualified.



It took 5 very long years to reverse that decision. Then only a couple of years

later it was

attempted again. It took us 31 meeting to get an exemption from the massage law.



The definition was absolutely critical. It had to put us outside the massage law

and not

infringe on other professions.



So want is the point of all this. You won't get rich being a writer but you will

preserve

something even if it is only a little piece. And you will help generations to

come.



Labeling and defining your practices is absolutely critical. There is no real

room for error.



And don't look to me if you can't come up with a name for this what -do -you

-call it field.

That's you job.



And yes I am concern about the impact of each and every little addition to the

field of

reflexology. I feel we have earned the right to challenge the additions to this

field and

push the inventors to document the efficacy, safety and mechanism of action as

well as

the origin of what they are proposing.



I am concerned that we may not exist as "reflexologists" in the next few years,

There are

people out there testing reflexology for the neurotransmitters involved. There

are real

time ECG's and EKG's tests going on to measure heart rate function and

brain-waves. Will

we be obsolete before too long because we failed to become a systematic body of

knowledge.



And I am concerned about the latest fad. Strong professions have peer review to

guard

against the latest fad. We don't. And so the what-do-call- it field is a danger.



Our fight has never ended. And it will never end if you love this craft as

passionately we

are.



So if you really believe this is a necessary and important addition to the field

of reflexology

be ready to defend it and don't think we won't notice if it is being slipped in

through the

back door.



Until we all embrace our systematic body of knowledge and all become builders in

that

body of knowledge we are still infants and easy prey to those who see the

potential of

reflexology monetarily without the heart we all have.



Kevin Kunz



BTW Barbara and I had never been writes before The Complete Guide to Foot

Reflexology.

Barbara learned to illustrate to do that book. And the best part is we had no

money. But

that is another story.



--- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, learnecm <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello Evelyn,

>

> After many hours of thinking on your reply to Kevin as well as how I

> replied back to you. I must admit I seemed to myself a tad harsh.

>

> But, after a good night's sleep and again thinking more about your

> posting, I decided to FINISH what I started to say on the last

> posting.

>

> Before I get too upset at you wanting to TREAT PATIENTS I should have

> asked where you received YOUR medical degree. Maybe you are an MD.

> I hae met some wholistic practitioners who are. And some who

> actually promote Reflexology. For example Doctor Susa Wong MD on

> Aboutus.com as well as many who have co published bookds on

> reflexology. So that was unfair of me to assume you were not a

> medical doctor. If you are, my apologies, you do have the RIGHT to

> prescribe, diagnose and treat for specific conditions, however

> looking at the ethical side of things, even medical doctors should

> not claim to cure everyone they meet.

>

> One more note on the fact that you feel your "patients", should not

> have to told what you are doing and that they come to you with trust

> and assurance that'whatever' you do is OK and acceptable . . .

> If a medical doctor tells you that a certain course of treatment is

> OK and that you should take this little pink pill and you will feel

> better - what would you do????? I always question my medical

> doctor, research the treatment (ask questions) before making an

> informed decision about my treatment. Don't you?

> If a doctor tells a person, you will need to remove the limb. Don't

> you want more information before undergoing such radical treatment?

> I would want to know a heck of lot more about the surgery and if

> something else could be done and about whether the one practicing

> (the surgeon in this case) is skilled at what he/she does, not to

> mention if they are ethical in their beliefs.

> This example is REAL diabetics all over the world are told that

> because of foot ulcers they need to "remove the limb" yet in medical

> facilities around the world the medical community is using hyperberic

> chambers to treat diabetics and "saving their limbs" Wow. The ones

> that get this treatment had to SEARCH for it and let the WORLD know

> it is out there. Just like You and I - we need to let everyone know

> what REFLEXLOGY is. Don't cloud it with our own slant on things some

> do. Keep it Pure and if you want to "include" other ideals in your

> treatment of clients, or "patients" do so as not to risk the

> physical, mental, OR moral well being of the ones you so dearly want

> to help and love.

>

> Please understand this is not a personal attack on anyone, just how I

> so deeply believe. We do live in a democratic contry - at least I

> do, and freedom of belief and speech should never besquashed. But as

> a medical doctor does have limitations so are all of us.

>

> I have much more I would like to say, but I will stop here.

>

> Take care and let's live, love and learn,

>

> Deb

>

> --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, Evelyn McCormack

> <evelyn10267@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kevin,

> >

> > Reading your words, I felt shocked too.

> > I feel compelled to answer to your text.

> >

> > I'll insert my answers between your lines.

> >

> > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> about Personality

> > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> >

> > I agree, all of them were very intelligent.

> >

> > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> what they are doing for

> > their clientele. Labeling is not a matter of choice it is a

> requirement for the protection of

> > the consumer.Deeper than the legal question to me is the ethical

> question. Is client fully and fairly

> > informed as to the nature of the services?That is a law in at least

> one state.

> >

> > I have patients, perhaps you have a clientele.. I have never

> considered my patients as "clients", because I am a Therapist. Have

> you ever heard a Doctor in Medicine talk about his clientele? I'd

> never go to one who speaks like that. Is it perhaps a cultural

> difference between you and me? I was born and grew up in Austria, I

> live now in the UK. I have never heard a practitioner talk about his

> or her "clientele" but about his or her patients. Perhaps terms can

> be different from place to place..

> >

> > I see not ethical question at all. Nobody is hiding anything from

> my patients. People who have given me the privilege of their

> confidence and trust must be respected. I don't provide a "service to

> my clients", I provide a treatment to my patient.

> >

> >

> > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> who really felt resentful

> > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> upon" with the "latest weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner

> had just learned.

> >

> > Who better than you know that there are many kinds of

> practitioners? Does it surprise you? Because of one your friend met

> you are putting an entire group inside the same sac? Come on, Kevin,

> there are good and responsible and there are unprofessional and

> charlatans everywhere. With a wide range of variants in the middle.

> >

> > As a matter of fact, haven't you ever heard a respectable Doctor of

> Medicine who experiments upon his patient with the latest article he

> has read or the latest word in equipment he has purchased?

> >

> > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> a problem with

> > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> attached. They are

> > dangerous.

> >

> > Who told you that we give personality assessments? This affirmation

> shows your total ignorance of the subject you are talking about and

> attacking without knowledge!!

> >

> > You talk about research but you haven't asked questions about how

> exactly do we apply our knowledge to Reflexology. You attack, attack

> and attack without giving others the opportunity to explain what is

> all about.

> >

> > I invite you to attend one of Avi Grrenberg or Moshce Kruchik

> seminars and perhaps you can have an idea of what do they teach and

> why have they become so famous and respected in the world of

> Reflexology. ..

> >

> > As for dangerous, I feel that it is more dangerous to me the person

> who fancies himself of knowing about something that he really

> doesn't, underestimating the real knowledge and skills of those who

> do.

> >

> > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> stable. They are not necessarily

> > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> simplest thing. Planning

> > with someone's head could backfire.

> >

> > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> Reflexology based on? Where is

> > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> contraindications? What are the safety

> > rules?

> >

> > Nobody will be able to answer the question by the simple fact that

> nobody before has talked about Personality Reflexology. Only you. You

> are the first who talked about Personality Reflexology, so I invite

> you to explain to all the members of this respectable forum what is

> that exactly.

> >

> > You are the first one who use this combination of terms. And if you

> ask my opinion, it is wrong. I don't need labels for everything as

> if Reflexology was comparable to a bottle of whisky....

> >

> > Reflexology is a Therapy based on a theory and we, Reflexologists

> around the world are trying to demonstrate that our theory is valid,

> to understand more and more how does it work and how deep it can

> get.

> >

> > Fortunately, Reflexology has many facets, not only one. Reflexology

> has many sources of knowledge, not only one based on

> suppositions. ...What kind of contraindications can have a good word,

> a good dialog with your patient, a good advice given on time....?

> What are you talking about......?

> >

> > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that..

> Not only to the clientele

> > but to this profession as well.

> >

> > Fortunately, not all the Reflexologists think like you do.

> >

> > More and more of us around the world are introducing to the

> practice of Reflexology what you consider dangerous. People like Avi,

> Chris or Moshe are not teaching us the way to criminality. The three

> of them are lovely people who devoted themselves to Reflexology and

> on the contrary, they have made and they are making a great

> contribution to Reflexology with the knowledge they have. If you

> suggest that what they teach is dangerous, so poor we.....! I should

> be a dangerous Therapist too.

> >

> > It's a pity that you didn't get properly assessed before you stated

> such an offence.. With such a statement, you are seriously offending

> the dignity of lots of Reflexologists around the world.

> >

> > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> It is a personality

> > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> >

> > I'll disappoint you once again. I'll give you that false argument,

> as you define it. I believe that it is based on holism.

> >

> > Kevin, please take a look at the world out there and see what is

> religious fundamentalism achieving with their arguments of "absolute

> true".

> > Just intollerance. ....

> >

> > So start throwing your bricks.

> > I threw the ones you've put on my hands.

> >

> > Kevin Kunz

> > Evelyn McCormack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> > From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> > To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 9:07:29 PM

> > Subject: [Reflexology Community ] I am shocked

> >

> > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> about Personality

> > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> >

> > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> what they are doing for

> > their clientele.

> > That is a law in at least one state.

> >

> > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> who really felt resentful

> > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> upon" with the "latest

> > weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner had just learned.

> >

> > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> a problem with

> > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> attached. They are

> > dangerous.

> >

> > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> stable. They are not necessarily

> > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> simplest thing. Planning

> > with someone's head could backfire.

> >

> > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> Reflexology based on? Where is

> > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> contraindications? What are the safety

> > rules?

> >

> > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that.

> Not only to the clientele

> > but to this profession as well.

> >

> > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> It is a personality

> > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> >

> > So start throwing your bricks.

> >

> > Kevin Kunz

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Actually Moshe they have done research on hugs. In fact, they have done research

on

several forms of touch including massage and reflexology.



I gather from your post that whatever- you- are- calling it therapy comes from

intuition.

That is fine. It is honest. It comes from personal empirical experience.



I am writing a blog on Phrenology or reading bumps on the head. If you look at

the history

of reading bumps on the head one startling fact emerges. Phrenology lead to

modern

psychology.



The reason was actually quite simple. It was the first time that localization of

the brain was

embraced as a concept. That lead to great reforms in prisons (they no longer

beat

prisoners to drive the devil out), education, and several other areas. The irony

was that the

Phrenologists reject their own theory of reading bumps on the head even though

phrenology remained wildly popular for years to come.



Now I am not comparing what you do with phrenology so much as saying there may

be a

Behavioral Reflexology on the way. I can see that just as we have seen patterns

on the

physical there are mental patterns as well.



You and other like you then become a school of thought. I am much more

comfortable

with that. I would not even think it would be a problem to call yourself

Intuitive

Reflexology.



Years ago Barbara and I came to the conclusion that reflexology is an archetype

that has

been rediscovered over and over again throughout history and across cultures

that never

had contact. there are thousands of footwork systems that were created. Most are

lost.

Some were intuitive.



We decided that the real problem became quite simply how could you study various

footwork system without taking on their "baggage". We developed a Footwork

Categorization System. There were systems that focused on body, mind and spirit

systems.



The idea is like the library cataloging system. It wasn't to judge footwork

systems. It was

to locate and study them.



Moshe, don't be afraid of research. At this point it is being our friend and

validating a lot

of what we have to say.



And don't fear labeling either. Labels can be helpful and provide focus.



Kevin Kunz









--- In reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com, Mauricio Kruchik <innaymauri@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Thank you Kay for your long and enlightening post. Even if it was double the

size there

was still a pleasure to read it.

>

> The last days I felt like being inside the eye of the hurricane. Much water,

troubled

water, had flown over a bridge that must unite us as Reflexologists.

> Something very strange happened here, it was like an earthquake trying to

destroy every

single piece of the great building we Reflexologists have been building for

years.

> I agree with Eve, my dearest (may I call you student?) colleague. As you well

said, I also

believe in Open-Minded Reflexology.

>

> When you go to a Doctor and you tell him about your health problems, sometimes

he

might say: it is all in your head.

> You go home, frustrated and impotent and ask yourself: am I nuts or what?

Should I

need to go to a Psychiatrist, a Psychologist....?

> Our great privilege as Reflexologists is that when our patient comes to our

consultation,

we can enjoy one whole hour and dedicate it to him as he needs it.

> A busy doctor would certainly dedicate no more than 5 minutes to all his

complaints,

write a couple of prescriptions without even looking at his patient's eyes and

scream:

NEXT!

>

> Then, after having being touring all the circles of hell, disappointed by what

tradicional

medicine hasn't provided to him yet, come to us, Reflexologists, as the last

option, their

last helping hand...

> And then, we have an unusual and excellent opportunity to provide them:

DEDICATION

and UNDERSTANDING.

> Modern medicine has made great steps towards a good quality of life who all of

us try to

enjoy. But sometimes, it acts like they have the right of stripping the patient

from all his

capacity of self healing and from his own responsibility for his own health.

When you go to

a doctor, you instintively think that he is the one who is able to bring you

healing, but you

never think that he will help you orientate to your own self healing. And this

is only the

beginning of an endless vicious cycle where the patient doesn't know how to

break, and

wher it doesn't have the opportunity to know why that he is suffering this

certain illness.

>

> When the patient has come to our consultation, we can talk with him, ask him

questions

that his physician has never asked to him. Without giving him answers, we can

help him

find his own hints to understand why this is happening to him. Sometimes it is a

problem

caused by a germ, a microbe, a bacteria. But how many times is this illness

caused by an

attitude our patient has been developing for years. Should we trigger his

awareness? Do

we have the right for it? Please show me the written law where it is explicitly

said that we

cannot help another person. We are allowed to use our knowledge and it is much

better

that we develop a friendly way of communication, so our patient can trust us and

feel that

we want to help him. Many illnesses develop precisely because the person doesn't

know

his body and has never listened to him. He has deposited the responsibility of

taking care

of it on the hands of somebody else.

>

> I have a rule of iron in my practice, which is in fact just a starting point

for further

observation. My patient can tell me a lot of lies and tell me lots of excuses

about his own

health, but his feet won't lie to me.

> When I close the door of my room, it is just my patient and me. He is my

master. If he

wants to talk, I'll let him. If he prefers to keep silence, I'll be silent. I

will never interfere

with his decisions. When he feels open enough to talk and to ask, I will talk

and I will

answer. Being gentle. Without attacking or trying to preech over his conscience.

I'll try to

show him the way to understand why is he suffering his illness, based on a deep

holistic

understanding. I always try to help my patients understand that there is always

a reason

for what they are suffering and it can become a great opportunity to understand

from

mistakes. As Evelyn well said, without being a judge, without pointing this is

right and this

is wrong. I will be there to escort him through the path of his own truth.

>

> His feet show not only the physical, but also the emotional and the spiritual.

Yes, Kay, I

am sure that if we talked like that 400 years ago, we were hanged from our

nails.

> Look at Hyppocrates....2500 years ago he said that there are four main fluids

(or

humours) flowing through the body: blood, flegm, black bile and yellow bile.

This is why

being on a good humour means to be on a good mood. He meant a good combination

of

humours is what makes the spirit flow over the body. Hyppocrates! The father of

medicine!

Please show me a doctor who talks like that today. He will be accused to be a

charlatan!

Hyppocrates theories were the beginning of medicine and medicine was born as a

holistic

science. He also described the four types of character: sanguine for blood, the

happy and

smiling person, flegmatic for phlegm, the lethargic and apathic person, the

colleric (coln in

greek means bile) to define the guy dominated by yellow bile= anger, and the

melancholic

(from greek mellan= black, cholic= bile) dominated by black bile, sad and

depressive.

>

> How many of this holistic approach have we lost through the years?  As

Reflexologists,

we have a golden opportunity to interpret the whole world represented by the two

feet.

The feet explain the physical, the emotional and the mind, the one that links

between

them. Reflexology is not only where and when to press or what is the best

technique to

use. Reflexology is a whole world of understanding on the bottom of your body,

your feet

represent who you are and why you are like this. They represent your

personality, so a

whole knowledge of personality can also be trusted from the enormous well of

information

that your feet show.

>

> How curious! The word Personality comes from the ancient Latin: Per Sonare (to

sound,

to echoe a voice), a term born in the ancient Roman theatre. Theatres were open

air, in a

period in which there were not amplifiers, so they needed something to boost the

volume

of their voices. So they used masks, the famous masks of the Roman theatre.

These masks

were called PERSONAE, . The PERSONAGE was the one who carried the mask. The term

PERSONALITY has been rooted as the expression used to define what's beyond our

attitudes, the one who carries the mask.

>

> Many times we are so much into our religion that we forget about God. Many

times we

are so much into research that we forget our own intuition and our own senses.

> Research is useful, but intuition and dialog is beautiful. When my little

daughter comes

to me crying and complaining of tummy ache every time I have to fly abroad to

deliver a

course, I know that she is giving a physical expression to her frustration and

sadness. I

don't need a research for that. But if I had one, I would certainly read it with

pleasure.

>

> Now there is a world movement, a great, pleasant one> FREE HUGS, to make you

feel

good. Are they allowed to do that? Have they done a Research to test the effects

of a hug?

Or are there some other non written elements that make humans still develop a

primitive

sense of self help through their own intuition, collective help and cooperation?

> Is there a research made about the effect of love? Why do people get married

then?

>

> Until all the necessary research in this world is complete and done, we,

Reflexologists

and loving human beings, still have our intuition and an open mind to understand

the

secrets of our own nature.

>

> With great love

>

> Mauricio (Moshe) Kruchik

> www.maternityreflexology.net

> www.theartofreflexology.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> If you are carrying with you a certain illness, you

>

>

> Reflexology is one, it is a therapy by own right and we must call ourselves a

profession

by own right.

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: kay sainsbury <kay.sainsbury@...>

> To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:06:00 AM

> Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a

bit long

>

> Dear All

> I think we must be open minded. As has been said there are no rights and

wrongs, and

even in a discussion like this there is a lot of common ground. There is a lot

going on out

there, research, work being done on genetics, physics, healing modalities and

their

efficacy that even takes the medical profession to new and wonderful places so

maybe we

should too. Personally I wish I had time to read everything and take everything

on board.

But I do remember a story once told to me about some monkeys on different

islands and

when faced with similar problems of survival it was shown they all more or less

came up

with the same solution. So what is happening in America right now, with the

limitations

put on reflexology and the law passed that says you have to become part of the

massage

qualification, is yet another step that is required by outside sources to

"legitimise" what we

do. It has happened in other places and with time it has been overcome.

>

> When the use of healing modalities goes up in the UK, you can bet your bottom

dollar

that the next day in the broadsheets (the more upmarket papers) there is an

article

directed at a so-called intelligent section of the population, which will demean

and lower

them. It is quite often reflexology. They used to do it to chiropractics,

osteopaths and

acupuncturists, but they are now accepted in their own right. Unfortunately in

all of history

there has been a lot of fear borne through misunderstanding and prejudice. Same

here in

the UK. Only a few hundred years ago we (reflexologists) would have all been

hung by the

neck or drowned as witches, heretics and the like for doing the work of the

devil (and

some religions still believe so...). So we have come a long way already.

>

> In England, where I am from, it is enough that you have studied at a

professional level

(and yes, it is a profession) are fully qualified and insured. We do not need a

licence to

practice (unless it involves breaking the skin as in acupuncture) but the most

successful

practitioners do belong to bona fide associations who are striving to bring

educational

standards up to a point where all professional bodies and their teaching methods

are

integrated. No-one should work without insurance. There are still grey areas in

this

country and basically any beauty therapist can go on a course and say they are a

reflexologist :( Personally I frown on that, but I long ago gave up my shield

and charger to

go and fight the good fight.) I have found through experience that whilst I am

fully booked

with a waiting list because my reflexology makes a difference to people, others,

including

those who have done a diploma or a college course (arghhh), get very few return

>  clients.

>

> The true test of the efficacy of a particular modality is your return

clientele. If what you

are doing works and is bringing your clients and referrals from them back again

(I have

clients on my books for 5 years plus as new problems surface for them) surely

that is the

true test.

>

> I personally also find that people want to know. People are intelligent on the

whole.

They have read about other modalities. The most common question I ask is can you

have

Reiki while having reflexology. (Though I don't do Reiki) People are becoming

aware that

there are other "tools" available to them, especially in this country when the

NHS has failed

so many people through waiting times and ineffective or too many pills. People

throughout

the world are taking back control. They are seeking out our services from a

desire to be

more natural; they don't want to keep popping pills. They read up things on the

internet.

They ask what I can do for them. What does this mean. What does a certain colour

mean.

Personally I would feel inadequate as a therapist, remembering i am taking their

money, if

I could not answer their questions with at least the basics.

>

> As for me, when I learned reflexology no-one explained to me about how the

body's

energy (which is fluid) can fluctuate. Nobody explained to me that as a

therapist I could

suffer "transference" . Very shortly after starting out I would know what the

person's

problem is when they entered the room because I felt it in my body. I was open

and

receiving and was not taught how to block that and be grounded and ready to give

my

session clearly. It was only on a workshop that I was allowed to feel my own

body energy

(aura) fluctuating and when I went to a linking workshop, which doubled up with

a work

shop by Moss Arnold on meridians, that lots of pennies dropped. We shouldn't

even be

taught reflexology without going into body energy, how emotions affect us, and

the

transference of energy between two people. In my opinion therefore all these

other

modalities should come before traditional reflexology, not afterwards!

>

> To have no fear is very liberating. I have worked with every contraindication

listed in

every reflexology book I have found, with 100% success. Not through

stubborn-ness, but

because the opportunities came up and I went with the flow. My fear is that as

therapists if

we don't go with the flow (of life, and all its many shapes and colours

reflected in the more

"holistic" aspects of reflexology, including what the feet show me at every

level not just

physical), then we will become stagnated. Then we become mediocre, and cannot

bend

with our clients.

>

> The science of reflexology is there for all to study. If you want to be rigid

in its

application and that works for you - great. There is so much benefit to be had.

If you want

to go beyond the original concept - and there are many who have and have had a

struggle

getting their work accepted - then that should be fine too. Then it becomes an

art.

>

> Give a little in your practice .... the rewards are indescribable.

> With love

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Evelyn McCormack

> To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:24 PM

> Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too

>

> Dear Kevin,

>

> I read your post and couldn't agree with you more.

>

> Reflexology will never die, it is only growing and despite all the people out

there trying

to damage our reputation and our PROFESSION, nothing but human warmth with a

healing

and loving spirit would be able to substitute us for machines or electrodes.

>

> No machine will be able never to substitute the warmth of a hug, a human hug.

No

lawyer and no journalist will be able never to destroy people's hearts.

Reflexology is

stepping forward, I am glad that Moshe brought all those outstanding news from

Australia. I was so happy yesterday when I read his post!!! Everyone of us

should cheer

what's happening now with Reflexology.

>

> I've learnt on your books. When my youngest son was a newborn, somebody handed

me

The Complete Parents' guide to Reflexology.

>

> I am afraid of those Reflexologists who claim having founded Reflexology and

try to

seed on the ignorance of other people with no more backup than a monetary and

commercial objective. There is a very famous Reflexologist out there who claims

having

that credit....of having founded Reflexology. Not you. I am afraid of those

Reflexologists

who invent stories, lie or steal techniques from other people and immediately

create and

make a trademark with a bombastic name as if it was their invention or

discovery. I am

afraid of these people's low level of ethics, so low that they will never be

able to

understand what the word ethics mean. I know who am I talking about.

>

> Therefore, I had a problem in matching the same person whose books I read with

passion and seeded so much for the welfare of Reflexology as you did with the

person who

attacked without a reason other sources of knowledge that YES can enrich

Reflexology as a

Therapy.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Lov,

>

> Eve

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

> To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2007 4:41:30 PM

> Subject: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too

>

> I started this and I don't want to continue a flame war on this group. So

after a good

> night's sleep let me tell you what is bothering me.

>

> We are not a profession.. . yet. We may have the trimming and look the part

but we are

still

> in infancy. Why do I say that?

>

> 1) We hire a sociologist 27 years ago to help us figure out how to help

reflexology

> become a profession. Her major point was to become a profession you need a

systematic

> body of knowledge. If you don't you have a weak profession which usually has

little

> prestige and low pay.

>

> 2) That same year we published The Complete Guide to Foot Reflexology. It was

one of

the

> hardest struggle Barbara and I ever faced. But we felt compelled to do since

even during

> the brief time we saw the field changing. And the field of reflexology was yet

to be

> documented. It was all verbal tradition.

>

> Publishing that book wasn't something I wanted to do because coming from an

academic

> family. I never what was involved and the sacrifice it meant. But it was

worse.

>

> No publisher would take us so we had to self publish until Prentice Hall saw

the

popularity

> of reflexology and "found" us. they can originally returned "our baby"

unopened.

>

> But we had at least documented this traditional healing modality. And what

ever

happens

> to change the field there is a record.

>

> 3) The hard part was naming techniques and defining things that hadn't really

been

> defined before. Issues went on for weeks and at times months. "Holding hand"

and

> "working hand" was a real struggle. Whether to use the traditional description

of

> techniques such as "thumb walking" became a major debate..

>

> And then trying to describe the techniques was mind boggling. Barbara was

really the

> brains behind this. Instead of 28 different techniques she simplified them

into three

> techniques plus desserts. It was a revolution. Suddenly more people could do

reflexology

> because it had been simplified.

>

> 4) And then just as we put out Hand and Foot Reflexology: A Self Help Guide we

were

put

> out of business in the city of Albuquerque. We weren't qualified to practice

reflexology

> because we didn't have a massage license. We would have had to gone to a local

massage

> school to take training in our own book to be qualified.

>

> It took 5 very long years to reverse that decision. Then only a couple of

years later it was

> attempted again. It took us 31 meeting to get an exemption from the massage

law.

>

> The definition was absolutely critical. It had to put us outside the massage

law and not

> infringe on other professions.

>

> So want is the point of all this. You won't get rich being a writer but you

will preserve

> something even if it is only a little piece. And you will help generations to

come.

>

> Labeling and defining your practices is absolutely critical. There is no real

room for

error.

>

> And don't look to me if you can't come up with a name for this what -do -you

-call it

field.

> That's you job.

>

> And yes I am concern about the impact of each and every little addition to the

field of

> reflexology. I feel we have earned the right to challenge the additions to

this field and

> push the inventors to document the efficacy, safety and mechanism of action as

well as

> the origin of what they are proposing.

>

> I am concerned that we may not exist as "reflexologists" in the next few

years, There are

> people out there testing reflexology for the neurotransmitters involved. There

are real

> time ECG's and EKG's tests going on to measure heart rate function and

brain-waves.

Will

> we be obsolete before too long because we failed to become a systematic body

of

> knowledge.

>

> And I am concerned about the latest fad. Strong professions have peer review

to guard

> against the latest fad. We don't. And so the what-do-call- it field is a

danger.

>

> Our fight has never ended. And it will never end if you love this craft as

passionately we

> are.

>

> So if you really believe this is a necessary and important addition to the

field of

reflexology

> be ready to defend it and don't think we won't notice if it is being slipped

in through the

> back door.

>

> Until we all embrace our systematic body of knowledge and all become builders

in that

> body of knowledge we are still infants and easy prey to those who see the

potential of

> reflexology monetarily without the heart we all have.

>

> Kevin Kunz

>

> BTW Barbara and I had never been writes before The Complete Guide to Foot

Reflexology.

> Barbara learned to illustrate to do that book. And the best part is we had no

money. But

> that is another story.

>

> --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, learnecm <no_reply@ .> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello Evelyn,

> >

> > After many hours of thinking on your reply to Kevin as well as how I

> > replied back to you. I must admit I seemed to myself a tad harsh.

> >

> > But, after a good night's sleep and again thinking more about your

> > posting, I decided to FINISH what I started to say on the last

> > posting.

> >

> > Before I get too upset at you wanting to TREAT PATIENTS I should have

> > asked where you received YOUR medical degree. Maybe you are an MD.

> > I hae met some wholistic practitioners who are. And some who

> > actually promote Reflexology. For example Doctor Susa Wong MD on

> > Aboutus.com as well as many who have co published bookds on

> > reflexology. So that was unfair of me to assume you were not a

> > medical doctor. If you are, my apologies, you do have the RIGHT to

> > prescribe, diagnose and treat for specific conditions, however

> > looking at the ethical side of things, even medical doctors should

> > not claim to cure everyone they meet.

> >

> > One more note on the fact that you feel your "patients", should not

> > have to told what you are doing and that they come to you with trust

> > and assurance that'whatever' you do is OK and acceptable . . .

> > If a medical doctor tells you that a certain course of treatment is

> > OK and that you should take this little pink pill and you will feel

> > better - what would you do????? I always question my medical

> > doctor, research the treatment (ask questions) before making an

> > informed decision about my treatment. Don't you?

> > If a doctor tells a person, you will need to remove the limb. Don't

> > you want more information before undergoing such radical treatment?

> > I would want to know a heck of lot more about the surgery and if

> > something else could be done and about whether the one practicing

> > (the surgeon in this case) is skilled at what he/she does, not to

> > mention if they are ethical in their beliefs.

> > This example is REAL diabetics all over the world are told that

> > because of foot ulcers they need to "remove the limb" yet in medical

> > facilities around the world the medical community is using hyperberic

> > chambers to treat diabetics and "saving their limbs" Wow. The ones

> > that get this treatment had to SEARCH for it and let the WORLD know

> > it is out there. Just like You and I - we need to let everyone know

> > what REFLEXLOGY is. Don't cloud it with our own slant on things some

> > do. Keep it Pure and if you want to "include" other ideals in your

> > treatment of clients, or "patients" do so as not to risk the

> > physical, mental, OR moral well being of the ones you so dearly want

> > to help and love.

> >

> > Please understand this is not a personal attack on anyone, just how I

> > so deeply believe. We do live in a democratic contry - at least I

> > do, and freedom of belief and speech should never besquashed. But as

> > a medical doctor does have limitations so are all of us.

> >

> > I have much more I would like to say, but I will stop here.

> >

> > Take care and let's live, love and learn,

> >

> > Deb

> >

> > --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, Evelyn McCormack

> > <evelyn10267@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kevin,

> > >

> > > Reading your words, I felt shocked too.

> > > I feel compelled to answer to your text.

> > >

> > > I'll insert my answers between your lines.

> > >

> > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> > about Personality

> > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> > >

> > > I agree, all of them were very intelligent.

> > >

> > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> > what they are doing for

> > > their clientele. Labeling is not a matter of choice it is a

> > requirement for the protection of

> > > the consumer.Deeper than the legal question to me is the ethical

> > question. Is client fully and fairly

> > > informed as to the nature of the services?That is a law in at least

> > one state.

> > >

> > > I have patients, perhaps you have a clientele.. I have never

> > considered my patients as "clients", because I am a Therapist. Have

> > you ever heard a Doctor in Medicine talk about his clientele? I'd

> > never go to one who speaks like that. Is it perhaps a cultural

> > difference between you and me? I was born and grew up in Austria, I

> > live now in the UK. I have never heard a practitioner talk about his

> > or her "clientele" but about his or her patients. Perhaps terms can

> > be different from place to place..

> > >

> > > I see not ethical question at all. Nobody is hiding anything from

> > my patients. People who have given me the privilege of their

> > confidence and trust must be respected. I don't provide a "service to

> > my clients", I provide a treatment to my patient.

> > >

> > >

> > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> > who really felt resentful

> > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> > upon" with the "latest weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner

> > had just learned.

> > >

> > > Who better than you know that there are many kinds of

> > practitioners? Does it surprise you? Because of one your friend met

> > you are putting an entire group inside the same sac? Come on, Kevin,

> > there are good and responsible and there are unprofessional and

> > charlatans everywhere. With a wide range of variants in the middle.

> > >

> > > As a matter of fact, haven't you ever heard a respectable Doctor of

> > Medicine who experiments upon his patient with the latest article he

> > has read or the latest word in equipment he has purchased?

> > >

> > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> > a problem with

> > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> > attached. They are

> > > dangerous.

> > >

> > > Who told you that we give personality assessments? This affirmation

> > shows your total ignorance of the subject you are talking about and

> > attacking without knowledge!!

> > >

> > > You talk about research but you haven't asked questions about how

> > exactly do we apply our knowledge to Reflexology. You attack, attack

> > and attack without giving others the opportunity to explain what is

> > all about.

> > >

> > > I invite you to attend one of Avi Grrenberg or Moshce Kruchik

> > seminars and perhaps you can have an idea of what do they teach and

> > why have they become so famous and respected in the world of

> > Reflexology. ..

> > >

> > > As for dangerous, I feel that it is more dangerous to me the person

> > who fancies himself of knowing about something that he really

> > doesn't, underestimating the real knowledge and skills of those who

> > do.

> > >

> > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> > stable. They are not necessarily

> > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> > simplest thing. Planning

> > > with someone's head could backfire.

> > >

> > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> > Reflexology based on? Where is

> > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> > contraindications? What are the safety

> > > rules?

> > >

> > > Nobody will be able to answer the question by the simple fact that

> > nobody before has talked about Personality Reflexology. Only you. You

> > are the first who talked about Personality Reflexology, so I invite

> > you to explain to all the members of this respectable forum what is

> > that exactly.

> > >

> > > You are the first one who use this combination of terms. And if you

> > ask my opinion, it is wrong. I don't need labels for everything as

> > if Reflexology was comparable to a bottle of whisky....

> > >

> > > Reflexology is a Therapy based on a theory and we, Reflexologists

> > around the world are trying to demonstrate that our theory is valid,

> > to understand more and more how does it work and how deep it can

> > get.

> > >

> > > Fortunately, Reflexology has many facets, not only one. Reflexology

> > has many sources of knowledge, not only one based on

> > suppositions. ...What kind of contraindications can have a good word,

> > a good dialog with your patient, a good advice given on time....?

> > What are you talking about......?

> > >

> > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that..

> > Not only to the clientele

> > > but to this profession as well.

> > >

> > > Fortunately, not all the Reflexologists think like you do.

> > >

> > > More and more of us around the world are introducing to the

> > practice of Reflexology what you consider dangerous. People like Avi,

> > Chris or Moshe are not teaching us the way to criminality. The three

> > of them are lovely people who devoted themselves to Reflexology and

> > on the contrary, they have made and they are making a great

> > contribution to Reflexology with the knowledge they have. If you

> > suggest that what they teach is dangerous, so poor we.....! I should

> > be a dangerous Therapist too.

> > >

> > > It's a pity that you didn't get properly assessed before you stated

> > such an offence.. With such a statement, you are seriously offending

> > the dignity of lots of Reflexologists around the world.

> > >

> > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> > It is a personality

> > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> > >

> > > I'll disappoint you once again. I'll give you that false argument,

> > as you define it. I believe that it is based on holism.

> > >

> > > Kevin, please take a look at the world out there and see what is

> > religious fundamentalism achieving with their arguments of "absolute

> > true".

> > > Just intollerance. ....

> > >

> > > So start throwing your bricks.

> > > I threw the ones you've put on my hands.

> > >

> > > Kevin Kunz

> > > Evelyn McCormack

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message ----

> > > From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> > > To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> > > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 9:07:29 PM

> > > Subject: [Reflexology Community ] I am shocked

> > >

> > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> > about Personality

> > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> > >

> > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> > what they are doing for

> > > their clientele.

> > > That is a law in at least one state.

> > >

> > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> > who really felt resentful

> > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> > upon" with the "latest

> > > weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner had just learned.

> > >

> > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> > a problem with

> > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> > attached. They are

> > > dangerous.

> > >

> > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> > stable. They are not necessarily

> > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> > simplest thing. Planning

> > > with someone's head could backfire.

> > >

> > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> > Reflexology based on? Where is

> > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> > contraindications? What are the safety

> > > rules?

> > >

> > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that.

> > Not only to the clientele

> > > but to this profession as well.

> > >

> > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> > It is a personality

> > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> > >

> > > So start throwing your bricks.

> > >

> > > Kevin Kunz

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Kevin,



Thank you for your concepts and for the beautiful insight you bring when

explaining the concept of Phrenology.



One precision: Intuitive Reflexology has already been labeled by Helen Mary

Perkins, Reflexologist from UK, for more details head of the Area Group Leaders

of the AoR in the UK. Helen is a lovely person, open minded, smooth and smiley

and a skilfull Reflexologist. I had the opportunity to share very constructive

talks when meeting at several world or regional Reflexology conferences like

Amsterdam, Warwick and recently Cairns, Australia. She calls her modality

Intuition and Sound Reflexology.



After reading your words, I've started to think that there is nothing bad on

labeling modalities or approaches. This attitude of me belongs perhaps to a very

"romantic" attitude that backups the rest....because I think and feel that

Reflexology is only one and should not be trademarked, as Medicine is only one

or Architecture is only one. There can be different modalities and

specialisations inside every profession, but I feel reluctant to call myself a

specialist. Many people say I am, but I have never called myself one.



  I have devoted myself to Reflexology because I believe in unity, in holism, in

the holistic concept that defines Reflexologist as one great theory, one great

kind of therapy with infinite facets, such infinite as every human being is.



  Perhaps I am old-fashioned (although being a young person) with this concept,

it is only a matter of attitude. Your concepts moved me to think about this, so

perhaps it is a good opportunity for me to give a second think and review my

attitude (which is in other words what emerges from my own preeching...). A

stagnated attitude? I accept the challenge to think about it.



I have no reluctancy about accepting Research. Not at all! Exactly the opposite!

I never accept anything for granted, I am a very pragmatic person. So pragmatic,

that my first Reflexology teacher told me once: "You are not a spiritual person"

when I told her about my difficulty to understand the concept of the Chakras by

that time. Now I believe in that concept because I developed my own sensitivity

and understanding towards it. It takes time to adopt every new thing in life.

The seed has to find the right earth to grow, and the earth also has its time to

mature.

Now I think how wrong was she.....I still remember that and I laugh out loud.

Every one who has ever had the opportunity of meeting me knows that what she

said then was completely absurd.



But still, I am pragmatic and I am a great believer of Research and support well

done Research. When I look at  my own findings or conclusions, the ones that I

teach to my students or apply on my consultation, know that they have come after

lots of trials and observations and that there are more to come. I never state

anything only because I want it, but because having analyzed facts. This empiric

knowledge and observation have given me the right to express them aloud. My

point is that we would be very poor as human beings if all what we do is based

only on Research. This is the reason why  I have written in the Preface of my

book "Analyzing Personality Patterns Through the Feet" the following statement:

"Nothing of what it is written in this book pretends to be absolute truth. You

are kindly invited to disagree".



Columbus arrived to what today is called America because his intuition sent him

to think differently than the establishment, to look for other routes to the

Indies in order to arrive to the same place. He never knew that he arrived to

another place, but his intuition and his belief, added to a stubborn attitude, 

were his best guides. The evidence is that he was right in sustaining that the

world was round and not flat, without any Research. Sigmund Freud did a lot of

research and arrived to a million conclusions and findings about the human's

mind, but his theories are still accepted and rejected by professionals of the

world of Psychiatry in the same proportions. Rene Descartes, the great

philosopher, doubted about every single established scientific statement...he

understood and interpreted the reality by what his senses transmitted to him and

even though, he asked himself if his senses were credible enough to state the

truth until he was able to

  proof that his life was real life. And he never said: this is truth. He came to

the conclusion that his life was real life after a sequence of logical

statements....



Three different approaches, three giants of human kind, three people who

challenged their time and generated great controversies around them. But it is

for these controversies that human kind is able to advance, with research or

without it.

  The greatest educator in Uruguay (my country of origin), in fact the person who

made the great educational reform (one of the first to be done worldwide) Jose

Pedro Varela, said 140 years ago: "It is from discussion that the light can be

born".



I loved your idea of calling my concept "Behavioral Reflexology". It reflects

what it really is.

I thought about exactly the same name some months ago, but at the same time

said....oh, come on, Moshe.

But now, I started to like it. I'll adopt it. Sounds good.I'll think about it.



Thank you for the suggestion.



Best wishes



Moshe









----- Original Message ----

From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:06:17 PM

Subject: [Reflexology Community ] Re: Moshe



Actually Moshe they have done research on hugs. In fact, they have done research

on

several forms of touch including massage and reflexology.



I gather from your post that whatever- you- are- calling it therapy comes from

intuition.

That is fine. It is honest. It comes from personal empirical experience.



I am writing a blog on Phrenology or reading bumps on the head. If you look at

the history

of reading bumps on the head one startling fact emerges. Phrenology lead to

modern

psychology.



The reason was actually quite simple. It was the first time that localization of

the brain was

embraced as a concept. That lead to great reforms in prisons (they no longer

beat

prisoners to drive the devil out), education, and several other areas. The irony

was that the

Phrenologists reject their own theory of reading bumps on the head even though

phrenology remained wildly popular for years to come.



Now I am not comparing what you do with phrenology so much as saying there may

be a

Behavioral Reflexology on the way. I can see that just as we have seen patterns

on the

physical there are mental patterns as well.



You and other like you then become a school of thought. I am much more

comfortable

with that. I would not even think it would be a problem to call yourself

Intuitive

Reflexology.



Years ago Barbara and I came to the conclusion that reflexology is an archetype

that has

been rediscovered over and over again throughout history and across cultures

that never

had contact. there are thousands of footwork systems that were created. Most are

lost.

Some were intuitive.



We decided that the real problem became quite simply how could you study various

footwork system without taking on their "baggage". We developed a Footwork

Categorization System. There were systems that focused on body, mind and spirit

systems.



The idea is like the library cataloging system. It wasn't to judge footwork

systems. It was

to locate and study them.



Moshe, don't be afraid of research. At this point it is being our friend and

validating a lot

of what we have to say.



And don't fear labeling either. Labels can be helpful and provide focus.



Kevin Kunz



--- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, Mauricio Kruchik <innaymauri@

...>

wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Thank you Kay for your long and enlightening post. Even if it was double the

size there

was still a pleasure to read it.

>

> The last days I felt like being inside the eye of the hurricane. Much water,

troubled

water, had flown over a bridge that must unite us as Reflexologists.

> Something very strange happened here, it was like an earthquake trying to

destroy every

single piece of the great building we Reflexologists have been building for

years.

> I agree with Eve, my dearest (may I call you student?) colleague. As you well

said, I also

believe in Open-Minded Reflexology.

>

> When you go to a Doctor and you tell him about your health problems, sometimes

he

might say: it is all in your head.

> You go home, frustrated and impotent and ask yourself: am I nuts or what?

Should I

need to go to a Psychiatrist, a Psychologist. ...?

> Our great privilege as Reflexologists is that when our patient comes to our

consultation,

we can enjoy one whole hour and dedicate it to him as he needs it.

> A busy doctor would certainly dedicate no more than 5 minutes to all his

complaints,

write a couple of prescriptions without even looking at his patient's eyes and

scream:

NEXT!

>

> Then, after having being touring all the circles of hell, disappointed by what

tradicional

medicine hasn't provided to him yet, come to us, Reflexologists, as the last

option, their

last helping hand...

> And then, we have an unusual and excellent opportunity to provide them:

DEDICATION

and UNDERSTANDING.

> Modern medicine has made great steps towards a good quality of life who all of

us try to

enjoy. But sometimes, it acts like they have the right of stripping the patient

from all his

capacity of self healing and from his own responsibility for his own health.

When you go to

a doctor, you instintively think that he is the one who is able to bring you

healing, but you

never think that he will help you orientate to your own self healing. And this

is only the

beginning of an endless vicious cycle where the patient doesn't know how to

break, and

wher it doesn't have the opportunity to know why that he is suffering this

certain illness.

>

> When the patient has come to our consultation, we can talk with him, ask him

questions

that his physician has never asked to him. Without giving him answers, we can

help him

find his own hints to understand why this is happening to him. Sometimes it is a

problem

caused by a germ, a microbe, a bacteria. But how many times is this illness

caused by an

attitude our patient has been developing for years. Should we trigger his

awareness? Do

we have the right for it? Please show me the written law where it is explicitly

said that we

cannot help another person. We are allowed to use our knowledge and it is much

better

that we develop a friendly way of communication, so our patient can trust us and

feel that

we want to help him. Many illnesses develop precisely because the person doesn't

know

his body and has never listened to him. He has deposited the responsibility of

taking care

of it on the hands of somebody else.

>

> I have a rule of iron in my practice, which is in fact just a starting point

for further

observation. My patient can tell me a lot of lies and tell me lots of excuses

about his own

health, but his feet won't lie to me.

> When I close the door of my room, it is just my patient and me. He is my

master. If he

wants to talk, I'll let him. If he prefers to keep silence, I'll be silent. I

will never interfere

with his decisions. When he feels open enough to talk and to ask, I will talk

and I will

answer. Being gentle. Without attacking or trying to preech over his conscience.

I'll try to

show him the way to understand why is he suffering his illness, based on a deep

holistic

understanding. I always try to help my patients understand that there is always

a reason

for what they are suffering and it can become a great opportunity to understand

from

mistakes. As Evelyn well said, without being a judge, without pointing this is

right and this

is wrong. I will be there to escort him through the path of his own truth.

>

> His feet show not only the physical, but also the emotional and the spiritual.

Yes, Kay, I

am sure that if we talked like that 400 years ago, we were hanged from our

nails.

> Look at Hyppocrates. ...2500 years ago he said that there are four main fluids

(or

humours) flowing through the body: blood, flegm, black bile and yellow bile.

This is why

being on a good humour means to be on a good mood. He meant a good combination

of

humours is what makes the spirit flow over the body. Hyppocrates! The father of

medicine!

Please show me a doctor who talks like that today. He will be accused to be a

charlatan!

Hyppocrates theories were the beginning of medicine and medicine was born as a

holistic

science. He also described the four types of character: sanguine for blood, the

happy and

smiling person, flegmatic for phlegm, the lethargic and apathic person, the

colleric (coln in

greek means bile) to define the guy dominated by yellow bile= anger, and the

melancholic

(from greek mellan= black, cholic= bile) dominated by black bile, sad and

depressive.

>

> How many of this holistic approach have we lost through the years? As

Reflexologists,

we have a golden opportunity to interpret the whole world represented by the two

feet.

The feet explain the physical, the emotional and the mind, the one that links

between

them. Reflexology is not only where and when to press or what is the best

technique to

use. Reflexology is a whole world of understanding on the bottom of your body,

your feet

represent who you are and why you are like this. They represent your

personality, so a

whole knowledge of personality can also be trusted from the enormous well of

information

that your feet show.

>

> How curious! The word Personality comes from the ancient Latin: Per Sonare (to

sound,

to echoe a voice), a term born in the ancient Roman theatre. Theatres were open

air, in a

period in which there were not amplifiers, so they needed something to boost the

volume

of their voices. So they used masks, the famous masks of the Roman theatre.

These masks

were called PERSONAE, . The PERSONAGE was the one who carried the mask. The term

PERSONALITY has been rooted as the expression used to define what's beyond our

attitudes, the one who carries the mask.

>

> Many times we are so much into our religion that we forget about God. Many

times we

are so much into research that we forget our own intuition and our own senses.

> Research is useful, but intuition and dialog is beautiful. When my little

daughter comes

to me crying and complaining of tummy ache every time I have to fly abroad to

deliver a

course, I know that she is giving a physical expression to her frustration and

sadness. I

don't need a research for that. But if I had one, I would certainly read it with

pleasure.

>

> Now there is a world movement, a great, pleasant one> FREE HUGS, to make you

feel

good. Are they allowed to do that? Have they done a Research to test the effects

of a hug?

Or are there some other non written elements that make humans still develop a

primitive

sense of self help through their own intuition, collective help and cooperation?

> Is there a research made about the effect of love? Why do people get married

then?

>

> Until all the necessary research in this world is complete and done, we,

Reflexologists

and loving human beings, still have our intuition and an open mind to understand

the

secrets of our own nature.

>

> With great love

>

> Mauricio (Moshe) Kruchik

> www.maternityreflex ology.net

> www.theartofreflexo logy.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> If you are carrying with you a certain illness, you

>

>

> Reflexology is one, it is a therapy by own right and we must call ourselves a

profession

by own right.

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: kay sainsbury <kay.sainsbury@ ...>

> To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:06:00 AM

> Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a

bit long

>

> Dear All

> I think we must be open minded. As has been said there are no rights and

wrongs, and

even in a discussion like this there is a lot of common ground. There is a lot

going on out

there, research, work being done on genetics, physics, healing modalities and

their

efficacy that even takes the medical profession to new and wonderful places so

maybe we

should too. Personally I wish I had time to read everything and take everything

on board.

But I do remember a story once told to me about some monkeys on different

islands and

when faced with similar problems of survival it was shown they all more or less

came up

with the same solution. So what is happening in America right now, with the

limitations

put on reflexology and the law passed that says you have to become part of the

massage

qualification, is yet another step that is required by outside sources to

"legitimise" what we

do. It has happened in other places and with time it has been overcome.

>

> When the use of healing modalities goes up in the UK, you can bet your bottom

dollar

that the next day in the broadsheets (the more upmarket papers) there is an

article

directed at a so-called intelligent section of the population, which will demean

and lower

them. It is quite often reflexology. They used to do it to chiropractics,

osteopaths and

acupuncturists, but they are now accepted in their own right. Unfortunately in

all of history

there has been a lot of fear borne through misunderstanding and prejudice. Same

here in

the UK. Only a few hundred years ago we (reflexologists) would have all been

hung by the

neck or drowned as witches, heretics and the like for doing the work of the

devil (and

some religions still believe so...). So we have come a long way already.

>

> In England, where I am from, it is enough that you have studied at a

professional level

(and yes, it is a profession) are fully qualified and insured. We do not need a

licence to

practice (unless it involves breaking the skin as in acupuncture) but the most

successful

practitioners do belong to bona fide associations who are striving to bring

educational

standards up to a point where all professional bodies and their teaching methods

are

integrated. No-one should work without insurance. There are still grey areas in

this

country and basically any beauty therapist can go on a course and say they are a

reflexologist :( Personally I frown on that, but I long ago gave up my shield

and charger to

go and fight the good fight.) I have found through experience that whilst I am

fully booked

with a waiting list because my reflexology makes a difference to people, others,

including

those who have done a diploma or a college course (arghhh), get very few return

> clients.

>

> The true test of the efficacy of a particular modality is your return

clientele. If what you

are doing works and is bringing your clients and referrals from them back again

(I have

clients on my books for 5 years plus as new problems surface for them) surely

that is the

true test.

>

> I personally also find that people want to know. People are intelligent on the

whole.

They have read about other modalities. The most common question I ask is can you

have

Reiki while having reflexology. (Though I don't do Reiki) People are becoming

aware that

there are other "tools" available to them, especially in this country when the

NHS has failed

so many people through waiting times and ineffective or too many pills. People

throughout

the world are taking back control. They are seeking out our services from a

desire to be

more natural; they don't want to keep popping pills. They read up things on the

internet.

They ask what I can do for them. What does this mean. What does a certain colour

mean.

Personally I would feel inadequate as a therapist, remembering i am taking their

money, if

I could not answer their questions with at least the basics.

>

> As for me, when I learned reflexology no-one explained to me about how the

body's

energy (which is fluid) can fluctuate. Nobody explained to me that as a

therapist I could

suffer "transference" . Very shortly after starting out I would know what the

person's

problem is when they entered the room because I felt it in my body. I was open

and

receiving and was not taught how to block that and be grounded and ready to give

my

session clearly. It was only on a workshop that I was allowed to feel my own

body energy

(aura) fluctuating and when I went to a linking workshop, which doubled up with

a work

shop by Moss Arnold on meridians, that lots of pennies dropped. We shouldn't

even be

taught reflexology without going into body energy, how emotions affect us, and

the

transference of energy between two people. In my opinion therefore all these

other

modalities should come before traditional reflexology, not afterwards!

>

> To have no fear is very liberating. I have worked with every contraindication

listed in

every reflexology book I have found, with 100% success. Not through

stubborn-ness, but

because the opportunities came up and I went with the flow. My fear is that as

therapists if

we don't go with the flow (of life, and all its many shapes and colours

reflected in the more

"holistic" aspects of reflexology, including what the feet show me at every

level not just

physical), then we will become stagnated. Then we become mediocre, and cannot

bend

with our clients.

>

> The science of reflexology is there for all to study. If you want to be rigid

in its

application and that works for you - great. There is so much benefit to be had.

If you want

to go beyond the original concept - and there are many who have and have had a

struggle

getting their work accepted - then that should be fine too. Then it becomes an

art.

>

> Give a little in your practice .... the rewards are indescribable.

> With love

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Evelyn McCormack

> To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:24 PM

> Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too

>

> Dear Kevin,

>

> I read your post and couldn't agree with you more.

>

> Reflexology will never die, it is only growing and despite all the people out

there trying

to damage our reputation and our PROFESSION, nothing but human warmth with a

healing

and loving spirit would be able to substitute us for machines or electrodes.

>

> No machine will be able never to substitute the warmth of a hug, a human hug.

No

lawyer and no journalist will be able never to destroy people's hearts.

Reflexology is

stepping forward, I am glad that Moshe brought all those outstanding news from

Australia. I was so happy yesterday when I read his post!!! Everyone of us

should cheer

what's happening now with Reflexology.

>

> I've learnt on your books. When my youngest son was a newborn, somebody handed

me

The Complete Parents' guide to Reflexology.

>

> I am afraid of those Reflexologists who claim having founded Reflexology and

try to

seed on the ignorance of other people with no more backup than a monetary and

commercial objective. There is a very famous Reflexologist out there who claims

having

that credit....of having founded Reflexology. Not you. I am afraid of those

Reflexologists

who invent stories, lie or steal techniques from other people and immediately

create and

make a trademark with a bombastic name as if it was their invention or

discovery. I am

afraid of these people's low level of ethics, so low that they will never be

able to

understand what the word ethics mean. I know who am I talking about.

>

> Therefore, I had a problem in matching the same person whose books I read with

passion and seeded so much for the welfare of Reflexology as you did with the

person who

attacked without a reason other sources of knowledge that YES can enrich

Reflexology as a

Therapy.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Lov,

>

> Eve

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2007 4:41:30 PM

> Subject: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too

>

> I started this and I don't want to continue a flame war on this group. So

after a good

> night's sleep let me tell you what is bothering me.

>

> We are not a profession.. . yet. We may have the trimming and look the part

but we are

still

> in infancy. Why do I say that?

>

> 1) We hire a sociologist 27 years ago to help us figure out how to help

reflexology

> become a profession. Her major point was to become a profession you need a

systematic

> body of knowledge. If you don't you have a weak profession which usually has

little

> prestige and low pay.

>

> 2) That same year we published The Complete Guide to Foot Reflexology. It was

one of

the

> hardest struggle Barbara and I ever faced. But we felt compelled to do since

even during

> the brief time we saw the field changing. And the field of reflexology was yet

to be

> documented. It was all verbal tradition.

>

> Publishing that book wasn't something I wanted to do because coming from an

academic

> family. I never what was involved and the sacrifice it meant. But it was

worse.

>

> No publisher would take us so we had to self publish until Prentice Hall saw

the

popularity

> of reflexology and "found" us. they can originally returned "our baby"

unopened.

>

> But we had at least documented this traditional healing modality. And what

ever

happens

> to change the field there is a record.

>

> 3) The hard part was naming techniques and defining things that hadn't really

been

> defined before. Issues went on for weeks and at times months. "Holding hand"

and

> "working hand" was a real struggle. Whether to use the traditional description

of

> techniques such as "thumb walking" became a major debate..

>

> And then trying to describe the techniques was mind boggling. Barbara was

really the

> brains behind this. Instead of 28 different techniques she simplified them

into three

> techniques plus desserts. It was a revolution. Suddenly more people could do

reflexology

> because it had been simplified.

>

> 4) And then just as we put out Hand and Foot Reflexology: A Self Help Guide we

were

put

> out of business in the city of Albuquerque. We weren't qualified to practice

reflexology

> because we didn't have a massage license. We would have had to gone to a local

massage

> school to take training in our own book to be qualified.

>

> It took 5 very long years to reverse that decision. Then only a couple of

years later it was

> attempted again. It took us 31 meeting to get an exemption from the massage

law.

>

> The definition was absolutely critical. It had to put us outside the massage

law and not

> infringe on other professions.

>

> So want is the point of all this. You won't get rich being a writer but you

will preserve

> something even if it is only a little piece. And you will help generations to

come.

>

> Labeling and defining your practices is absolutely critical. There is no real

room for

error.

>

> And don't look to me if you can't come up with a name for this what -do -you

-call it

field.

> That's you job.

>

> And yes I am concern about the impact of each and every little addition to the

field of

> reflexology. I feel we have earned the right to challenge the additions to

this field and

> push the inventors to document the efficacy, safety and mechanism of action as

well as

> the origin of what they are proposing.

>

> I am concerned that we may not exist as "reflexologists" in the next few

years, There are

> people out there testing reflexology for the neurotransmitters involved. There

are real

> time ECG's and EKG's tests going on to measure heart rate function and

brain-waves.

Will

> we be obsolete before too long because we failed to become a systematic body

of

> knowledge.

>

> And I am concerned about the latest fad. Strong professions have peer review

to guard

> against the latest fad. We don't. And so the what-do-call- it field is a

danger.

>

> Our fight has never ended. And it will never end if you love this craft as

passionately we

> are.

>

> So if you really believe this is a necessary and important addition to the

field of

reflexology

> be ready to defend it and don't think we won't notice if it is being slipped

in through the

> back door.

>

> Until we all embrace our systematic body of knowledge and all become builders

in that

> body of knowledge we are still infants and easy prey to those who see the

potential of

> reflexology monetarily without the heart we all have.

>

> Kevin Kunz

>

> BTW Barbara and I had never been writes before The Complete Guide to Foot

Reflexology.

> Barbara learned to illustrate to do that book. And the best part is we had no

money. But

> that is another story.

>

> --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, learnecm <no_reply@ .> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello Evelyn,

> >

> > After many hours of thinking on your reply to Kevin as well as how I

> > replied back to you. I must admit I seemed to myself a tad harsh.

> >

> > But, after a good night's sleep and again thinking more about your

> > posting, I decided to FINISH what I started to say on the last

> > posting.

> >

> > Before I get too upset at you wanting to TREAT PATIENTS I should have

> > asked where you received YOUR medical degree. Maybe you are an MD.

> > I hae met some wholistic practitioners who are. And some who

> > actually promote Reflexology. For example Doctor Susa Wong MD on

> > Aboutus.com as well as many who have co published bookds on

> > reflexology. So that was unfair of me to assume you were not a

> > medical doctor. If you are, my apologies, you do have the RIGHT to

> > prescribe, diagnose and treat for specific conditions, however

> > looking at the ethical side of things, even medical doctors should

> > not claim to cure everyone they meet.

> >

> > One more note on the fact that you feel your "patients", should not

> > have to told what you are doing and that they come to you with trust

> > and assurance that'whatever' you do is OK and acceptable . . .

> > If a medical doctor tells you that a certain course of treatment is

> > OK and that you should take this little pink pill and you will feel

> > better - what would you do????? I always question my medical

> > doctor, research the treatment (ask questions) before making an

> > informed decision about my treatment. Don't you?

> > If a doctor tells a person, you will need to remove the limb. Don't

> > you want more information before undergoing such radical treatment?

> > I would want to know a heck of lot more about the surgery and if

> > something else could be done and about whether the one practicing

> > (the surgeon in this case) is skilled at what he/she does, not to

> > mention if they are ethical in their beliefs.

> > This example is REAL diabetics all over the world are told that

> > because of foot ulcers they need to "remove the limb" yet in medical

> > facilities around the world the medical community is using hyperberic

> > chambers to treat diabetics and "saving their limbs" Wow. The ones

> > that get this treatment had to SEARCH for it and let the WORLD know

> > it is out there. Just like You and I - we need to let everyone know

> > what REFLEXLOGY is. Don't cloud it with our own slant on things some

> > do. Keep it Pure and if you want to "include" other ideals in your

> > treatment of clients, or "patients" do so as not to risk the

> > physical, mental, OR moral well being of the ones you so dearly want

> > to help and love.

> >

> > Please understand this is not a personal attack on anyone, just how I

> > so deeply believe. We do live in a democratic contry - at least I

> > do, and freedom of belief and speech should never besquashed. But as

> > a medical doctor does have limitations so are all of us.

> >

> > I have much more I would like to say, but I will stop here.

> >

> > Take care and let's live, love and learn,

> >

> > Deb

> >

> > --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, Evelyn McCormack

> > <evelyn10267@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kevin,

> > >

> > > Reading your words, I felt shocked too.

> > > I feel compelled to answer to your text.

> > >

> > > I'll insert my answers between your lines.

> > >

> > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> > about Personality

> > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> > >

> > > I agree, all of them were very intelligent.

> > >

> > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> > what they are doing for

> > > their clientele. Labeling is not a matter of choice it is a

> > requirement for the protection of

> > > the consumer.Deeper than the legal question to me is the ethical

> > question. Is client fully and fairly

> > > informed as to the nature of the services?That is a law in at least

> > one state.

> > >

> > > I have patients, perhaps you have a clientele.. I have never

> > considered my patients as "clients", because I am a Therapist. Have

> > you ever heard a Doctor in Medicine talk about his clientele? I'd

> > never go to one who speaks like that. Is it perhaps a cultural

> > difference between you and me? I was born and grew up in Austria, I

> > live now in the UK. I have never heard a practitioner talk about his

> > or her "clientele" but about his or her patients. Perhaps terms can

> > be different from place to place..

> > >

> > > I see not ethical question at all. Nobody is hiding anything from

> > my patients. People who have given me the privilege of their

> > confidence and trust must be respected. I don't provide a "service to

> > my clients", I provide a treatment to my patient.

> > >

> > >

> > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> > who really felt resentful

> > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> > upon" with the "latest weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner

> > had just learned.

> > >

> > > Who better than you know that there are many kinds of

> > practitioners? Does it surprise you? Because of one your friend met

> > you are putting an entire group inside the same sac? Come on, Kevin,

> > there are good and responsible and there are unprofessional and

> > charlatans everywhere. With a wide range of variants in the middle.

> > >

> > > As a matter of fact, haven't you ever heard a respectable Doctor of

> > Medicine who experiments upon his patient with the latest article he

> > has read or the latest word in equipment he has purchased?

> > >

> > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> > a problem with

> > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> > attached. They are

> > > dangerous.

> > >

> > > Who told you that we give personality assessments? This affirmation

> > shows your total ignorance of the subject you are talking about and

> > attacking without knowledge!!

> > >

> > > You talk about research but you haven't asked questions about how

> > exactly do we apply our knowledge to Reflexology. You attack, attack

> > and attack without giving others the opportunity to explain what is

> > all about.

> > >

> > > I invite you to attend one of Avi Grrenberg or Moshce Kruchik

> > seminars and perhaps you can have an idea of what do they teach and

> > why have they become so famous and respected in the world of

> > Reflexology. ..

> > >

> > > As for dangerous, I feel that it is more dangerous to me the person

> > who fancies himself of knowing about something that he really

> > doesn't, underestimating the real knowledge and skills of those who

> > do.

> > >

> > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> > stable. They are not necessarily

> > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> > simplest thing. Planning

> > > with someone's head could backfire.

> > >

> > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> > Reflexology based on? Where is

> > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> > contraindications? What are the safety

> > > rules?

> > >

> > > Nobody will be able to answer the question by the simple fact that

> > nobody before has talked about Personality Reflexology. Only you. You

> > are the first who talked about Personality Reflexology, so I invite

> > you to explain to all the members of this respectable forum what is

> > that exactly.

> > >

> > > You are the first one who use this combination of terms. And if you

> > ask my opinion, it is wrong. I don't need labels for everything as

> > if Reflexology was comparable to a bottle of whisky....

> > >

> > > Reflexology is a Therapy based on a theory and we, Reflexologists

> > around the world are trying to demonstrate that our theory is valid,

> > to understand more and more how does it work and how deep it can

> > get.

> > >

> > > Fortunately, Reflexology has many facets, not only one. Reflexology

> > has many sources of knowledge, not only one based on

> > suppositions. ...What kind of contraindications can have a good word,

> > a good dialog with your patient, a good advice given on time....?

> > What are you talking about......?

> > >

> > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that..

> > Not only to the clientele

> > > but to this profession as well.

> > >

> > > Fortunately, not all the Reflexologists think like you do.

> > >

> > > More and more of us around the world are introducing to the

> > practice of Reflexology what you consider dangerous. People like Avi,

> > Chris or Moshe are not teaching us the way to criminality. The three

> > of them are lovely people who devoted themselves to Reflexology and

> > on the contrary, they have made and they are making a great

> > contribution to Reflexology with the knowledge they have. If you

> > suggest that what they teach is dangerous, so poor we.....! I should

> > be a dangerous Therapist too.

> > >

> > > It's a pity that you didn't get properly assessed before you stated

> > such an offence.. With such a statement, you are seriously offending

> > the dignity of lots of Reflexologists around the world.

> > >

> > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> > It is a personality

> > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> > >

> > > I'll disappoint you once again. I'll give you that false argument,

> > as you define it. I believe that it is based on holism.

> > >

> > > Kevin, please take a look at the world out there and see what is

> > religious fundamentalism achieving with their arguments of "absolute

> > true".

> > > Just intollerance. ....

> > >

> > > So start throwing your bricks.

> > > I threw the ones you've put on my hands.

> > >

> > > Kevin Kunz

> > > Evelyn McCormack

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message ----

> > > From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> > > To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> > > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 9:07:29 PM

> > > Subject: [Reflexology Community ] I am shocked

> > >

> > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> > about Personality

> > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> > >

> > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> > what they are doing for

> > > their clientele.

> > > That is a law in at least one state.

> > >

> > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> > who really felt resentful

> > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> > upon" with the "latest

> > > weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner had just learned.

> > >

> > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> > a problem with

> > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> > attached. They are

> > > dangerous.

> > >

> > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> > stable. They are not necessarily

> > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> > simplest thing. Planning

> > > with someone's head could backfire.

> > >

> > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> > Reflexology based on? Where is

> > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> > contraindications? What are the safety

> > > rules?

> > >

> > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that.

> > Not only to the clientele

> > > but to this profession as well.

> > >

> > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> > It is a personality

> > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> > >

> > > So start throwing your bricks.

> > >

> > > Kevin Kunz

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi Moshe, Kevin



As well as being a passionate reflexologist (thanks Moshe) I also have a keen

sense of humour and I had to laugh at your comment - along with you, not against

you - about there having been research on hugs.  Who, I wonder, would need

research on the efficacy of a hug.  Sometimes I think the human race has lost

its way.



So I go hug someone - that's all the research I need.



Much love

Kay





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I had a very nice phone call from Moshe while he was awaiting a flight back to

Israel. Glad

you all had a chance to meet and hoping that there will be other meetings in the

future.



Remember the cancer conference in Israel. Be sure to spread the word.



Kevin Kunz



Forum Moderator

Dear Kevin,



My pleasure.

I very much enjoyed speaking with you on the phone. One day it will be face to

face.



Back to Israel to the warmth of my family (and the weather..) after an exciting

and thrilling trip to the States.



Kevin, thank you so much for your commitment and your help.

Thank you for helping us spreading the word.

I wish that what we are trying to build today will be for our commonwealth

tomorrow.



And thanks to wonderful Oran and my wife for backing me up while I was abroad.



Now I go to sleep...



All the best,

 Mauricio (Moshe) Kruchik-Biderman

President

THE ISRAELI FORUM OF REFLEXOLOGY

________________________________



Phone: +972 (0)9 7467676

Mobile: +972 (0)547 341961

Fax: +972 (0)9 7467675

Website: www.isreflexology.com

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----- Original Message ----

From: Mauricio Kruchik <innaymauri@...>

To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:15:46 AM

Subject: Reflexology & Inducing labour





Dear Marie,

 

How are you?

Yes, the RAA was amazing....no doubt. I was very proud and happy to participate,

great people, great environment, great colleagues,....

....and I met you personally!!



Now to our subject:

Your answer to your client was MORE than perfect.

In my courses I always point that it is very difficult to INDUCE labour until

the baby hasn't taken the decision yet to be born. 

But YES, Reflexology can be an excellent and powerful tool once labour has

started, when there is a dynamic of labour, even if it is very poor with

weak and sporadic contractions. Why do I say that your answer was more than

perfect? Because labour is not an automatic process. The mother has to be in a

perfect onset in order to promote a good dynamic by herself. Stress?

Catecholamines, adrenaline, no oxytocine, poor contractions, nervousness and

pain. Relax? Oxytocine, no tension, a good dynamic and probably self confidence

will do the rest.



Now, let's think about a bad scenario: there is no need to push the labour but

the doctors are impatient and want to induce (something that happens VERY

FREQUENTLY). Given this scenario you can try to induce labour, knowing that when

contractions come gradually, that the mother can tollerate them and she is able

to cope with them at her own pace, it is much better and different than when she

is induced with Pitocin, the contractions come one after the other without

remission and after 10 minutes or less she is claiming for an epidural.

Reflexology does a fantastic job promoting not only contractions but energyzing

the mother and enhancing her own natural reserves to do the great job.



Warm regards!!



Moshe

 

 

 Mauricio (Moshe) Kruchik-Biderman

President

THE ISRAELI FORUM OF REFLEXOLOGY

________________________________



Phone: +972 (0)9 7467676

Mobile: +972 (0)547 341961

Fax: +972 (0)9 7467675

Website: www.isreflexology.com

In English: www.isreflexology.com/en

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________________________________

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Dear Moshe



Thanks for your kind words.  I have to say the same.  I can feel the passion for

the things you do in your words.    They come across very strongly and this too

was a pleasure to read.  You put it so eloquently.



Thank you Kay



   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Mauricio Kruchik

   To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:37 AM

   Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a

bit long





   Dear all,



   Thank you Kay for your long and enlightening post. Even if it was double the

size there was still a pleasure to read it.



   The last days I felt like being inside the eye of the hurricane. Much water,

troubled water, had flown over a bridge that must unite us as Reflexologists.

   Something very strange happened here, it was like an earthquake trying to

destroy every single piece of the great building we Reflexologists have been

building for years.

   I agree with Eve, my dearest (may I call you student?) colleague. As you well

said, I also believe in Open-Minded Reflexology.



   When you go to a Doctor and you tell him about your health problems, sometimes

he might say: it is all in your head.

   You go home, frustrated and impotent and ask yourself: am I nuts or what?

Should I need to go to a Psychiatrist, a Psychologist....?

   Our great privilege as Reflexologists is that when our patient comes to our

consultation, we can enjoy one whole hour and dedicate it to him as he needs it.

   A busy doctor would certainly dedicate no more than 5 minutes to all his

complaints, write a couple of prescriptions without even looking at his

patient's eyes and scream: NEXT!



   Then, after having being touring all the circles of hell, disappointed by what

tradicional medicine hasn't provided to him yet, come to us, Reflexologists, as

the last option, their last helping hand...

   And then, we have an unusual and excellent opportunity to provide them:

DEDICATION and UNDERSTANDING.

   Modern medicine has made great steps towards a good quality of life who all of

us try to enjoy. But sometimes, it acts like they have the right of stripping

the patient from all his capacity of self healing and from his own

responsibility for his own health. When you go to a doctor, you instintively

think that he is the one who is able to bring you healing, but you never think

that he will help you orientate to your own self healing. And this is only the

beginning of an endless vicious cycle where the patient doesn't know how to

break, and wher it doesn't have the opportunity to know why that he is suffering

this certain illness.



   When the patient has come to our consultation, we can talk with him, ask him

questions that his physician has never asked to him. Without giving him answers,

we can help him find his own hints to understand why this is happening to him.

Sometimes it is a problem caused by a germ, a microbe, a bacteria. But how many

times is this illness caused by an attitude our patient has been developing for

years. Should we trigger his awareness? Do we have the right for it? Please show

me the written law where it is explicitly said that we cannot help another

person. We are allowed to use our knowledge and it is much better that we

develop a friendly way of communication, so our patient can trust us and feel

that we want to help him. Many illnesses develop precisely because the person

doesn't know his body and has never listened to him. He has deposited the

responsibility of taking care of it on the hands of somebody else.



   I have a rule of iron in my practice, which is in fact just a starting point

for further observation. My patient can tell me a lot of lies and tell me lots

of excuses about his own health, but his feet won't lie to me.

   When I close the door of my room, it is just my patient and me. He is my

master. If he wants to talk, I'll let him. If he prefers to keep silence, I'll

be silent. I will never interfere with his decisions. When he feels open enough

to talk and to ask, I will talk and I will answer. Being gentle. Without

attacking or trying to preech over his conscience. I'll try to show him the way

to understand why is he suffering his illness, based on a deep holistic

understanding. I always try to help my patients understand that there is always

a reason for what they are suffering and it can become a great opportunity to

understand from mistakes. As Evelyn well said, without being a judge, without

pointing this is right and this is wrong. I will be there to escort him through

the path of his own truth.



   His feet show not only the physical, but also the emotional and the spiritual.

Yes, Kay, I am sure that if we talked like that 400 years ago, we were hanged

from our nails.

   Look at Hyppocrates....2500 years ago he said that there are four main fluids

(or humours) flowing through the body: blood, flegm, black bile and yellow bile.

This is why being on a good humour means to be on a good mood. He meant a good

combination of humours is what makes the spirit flow over the body. Hyppocrates!

The father of medicine! Please show me a doctor who talks like that today. He

will be accused to be a charlatan! Hyppocrates theories were the beginning of

medicine and medicine was born as a holistic science. He also described the four

types of character: sanguine for blood, the happy and smiling person, flegmatic

for phlegm, the lethargic and apathic person, the colleric (coln in greek means

bile) to define the guy dominated by yellow bile= anger, and the melancholic

(from greek mellan= black, cholic= bile) dominated by black bile, sad and

depressive.



   How many of this holistic approach have we lost through the years? As

Reflexologists, we have a golden opportunity to interpret the whole world

represented by the two feet. The feet explain the physical, the emotional and

the mind, the one that links between them. Reflexology is not only where and

when to press or what is the best technique to use. Reflexology is a whole world

of understanding on the bottom of your body, your feet represent who you are and

why you are like this. They represent your personality, so a whole knowledge of

personality can also be trusted from the enormous well of information that your

feet show.



   How curious! The word Personality comes from the ancient Latin: Per Sonare (to

sound, to echoe a voice), a term born in the ancient Roman theatre. Theatres

were open air, in a period in which there were not amplifiers, so they needed

something to boost the volume of their voices. So they used masks, the famous

masks of the Roman theatre. These masks were called PERSONAE, . The PERSONAGE

was the one who carried the mask. The term PERSONALITY has been rooted as the

expression used to define what's beyond our attitudes, the one who carries the

mask.



   Many times we are so much into our religion that we forget about God. Many

times we are so much into research that we forget our own intuition and our own

senses.

   Research is useful, but intuition and dialog is beautiful. When my little

daughter comes to me crying and complaining of tummy ache every time I have to

fly abroad to deliver a course, I know that she is giving a physical expression

to her frustration and sadness. I don't need a research for that. But if I had

one, I would certainly read it with pleasure.



   Now there is a world movement, a great, pleasant one> FREE HUGS, to make you

feel good. Are they allowed to do that? Have they done a Research to test the

effects of a hug? Or are there some other non written elements that make humans

still develop a primitive sense of self help through their own intuition,

collective help and cooperation?

   Is there a research made about the effect of love? Why do people get married

then?



   Until all the necessary research in this world is complete and done, we,

Reflexologists and loving human beings, still have our intuition and an open

mind to understand the secrets of our own nature.



   With great love



   Mauricio (Moshe) Kruchik

   www.maternityreflexology.net

   www.theartofreflexology.com



   If you are carrying with you a certain illness, you





   Reflexology is one, it is a therapy by own right and we must call ourselves a

profession by own right.



   ----- Original Message ----

   From: kay sainsbury <kay.sainsbury@...>

   To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:06:00 AM

   Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a

bit long



   Dear All

   I think we must be open minded. As has been said there are no rights and

wrongs, and even in a discussion like this there is a lot of common ground.

There is a lot going on out there, research, work being done on genetics,

physics, healing modalities and their efficacy that even takes the medical

profession to new and wonderful places so maybe we should too. Personally I wish

I had time to read everything and take everything on board. But I do remember a

story once told to me about some monkeys on different islands and when faced

with similar problems of survival it was shown they all more or less came up

with the same solution. So what is happening in America right now, with the

limitations put on reflexology and the law passed that says you have to become

part of the massage qualification, is yet another step that is required by

outside sources to "legitimise" what we do. It has happened in other places and

with time it has been overcome.



   When the use of healing modalities goes up in the UK, you can bet your bottom

dollar that the next day in the broadsheets (the more upmarket papers) there is

an article directed at a so-called intelligent section of the population, which

will demean and lower them. It is quite often reflexology. They used to do it to

chiropractics, osteopaths and acupuncturists, but they are now accepted in their

own right. Unfortunately in all of history there has been a lot of fear borne

through misunderstanding and prejudice. Same here in the UK. Only a few hundred

years ago we (reflexologists) would have all been hung by the neck or drowned as

witches, heretics and the like for doing the work of the devil (and some

religions still believe so...). So we have come a long way already.



   In England, where I am from, it is enough that you have studied at a

professional level (and yes, it is a profession) are fully qualified and

insured. We do not need a licence to practice (unless it involves breaking the

skin as in acupuncture) but the most successful practitioners do belong to bona

fide associations who are striving to bring educational standards up to a point

where all professional bodies and their teaching methods are integrated. No-one

should work without insurance. There are still grey areas in this country and

basically any beauty therapist can go on a course and say they are a

reflexologist :( Personally I frown on that, but I long ago gave up my shield

and charger to go and fight the good fight.) I have found through experience

that whilst I am fully booked with a waiting list because my reflexology makes a

difference to people, others, including those who have done a diploma or a

college course (arghhh), get very few return

   clients.



   The true test of the efficacy of a particular modality is your return

clientele. If what you are doing works and is bringing your clients and

referrals from them back again (I have clients on my books for 5 years plus as

new problems surface for them) surely that is the true test.



   I personally also find that people want to know. People are intelligent on the

whole. They have read about other modalities. The most common question I ask is

can you have Reiki while having reflexology. (Though I don't do Reiki) People

are becoming aware that there are other "tools" available to them, especially in

this country when the NHS has failed so many people through waiting times and

ineffective or too many pills. People throughout the world are taking back

control. They are seeking out our services from a desire to be more natural;

they don't want to keep popping pills. They read up things on the internet. They

ask what I can do for them. What does this mean. What does a certain colour

mean. Personally I would feel inadequate as a therapist, remembering i am taking

their money, if I could not answer their questions with at least the basics.



   As for me, when I learned reflexology no-one explained to me about how the

body's energy (which is fluid) can fluctuate. Nobody explained to me that as a

therapist I could suffer "transference" . Very shortly after starting out I

would know what the person's problem is when they entered the room because I

felt it in my body. I was open and receiving and was not taught how to block

that and be grounded and ready to give my session clearly. It was only on a

workshop that I was allowed to feel my own body energy (aura) fluctuating and

when I went to a linking workshop, which doubled up with a work shop by Moss

Arnold on meridians, that lots of pennies dropped. We shouldn't even be taught

reflexology without going into body energy, how emotions affect us, and the

transference of energy between two people. In my opinion therefore all these

other modalities should come before traditional reflexology, not afterwards!



   To have no fear is very liberating. I have worked with every contraindication

listed in every reflexology book I have found, with 100% success. Not through

stubborn-ness, but because the opportunities came up and I went with the flow.

My fear is that as therapists if we don't go with the flow (of life, and all its

many shapes and colours reflected in the more "holistic" aspects of reflexology,

including what the feet show me at every level not just physical), then we will

become stagnated. Then we become mediocre, and cannot bend with our clients.



   The science of reflexology is there for all to study. If you want to be rigid

in its application and that works for you - great. There is so much benefit to

be had. If you want to go beyond the original concept - and there are many who

have and have had a struggle getting their work accepted - then that should be

fine too. Then it becomes an art.



   Give a little in your practice .... the rewards are indescribable.

   With love



   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Evelyn McCormack

   To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

   Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:24 PM

   Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



   Dear Kevin,



   I read your post and couldn't agree with you more.



   Reflexology will never die, it is only growing and despite all the people out

there trying to damage our reputation and our PROFESSION, nothing but human

warmth with a healing and loving spirit would be able to substitute us for

machines or electrodes.



   No machine will be able never to substitute the warmth of a hug, a human hug.

No lawyer and no journalist will be able never to destroy people's hearts.

Reflexology is stepping forward, I am glad that Moshe brought all those

outstanding news from Australia. I was so happy yesterday when I read his

post!!! Everyone of us should cheer what's happening now with Reflexology.



   I've learnt on your books. When my youngest son was a newborn, somebody handed

me The Complete Parents' guide to Reflexology.



   I am afraid of those Reflexologists who claim having founded Reflexology and

try to seed on the ignorance of other people with no more backup than a monetary

and commercial objective. There is a very famous Reflexologist out there who

claims having that credit....of having founded Reflexology. Not you. I am afraid

of those Reflexologists who invent stories, lie or steal techniques from other

people and immediately create and make a trademark with a bombastic name as if

it was their invention or discovery. I am afraid of these people's low level of

ethics, so low that they will never be able to understand what the word ethics

mean. I know who am I talking about.



   Therefore, I had a problem in matching the same person whose books I read with

passion and seeded so much for the welfare of Reflexology as you did with the

person who attacked without a reason other sources of knowledge that YES can

enrich Reflexology as a Therapy.



   Best wishes



   Lov,



   Eve



   ----- Original Message ----

   From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

   To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

   Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2007 4:41:30 PM

   Subject: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



   I started this and I don't want to continue a flame war on this group. So

after a good

   night's sleep let me tell you what is bothering me.



   We are not a profession.. . yet. We may have the trimming and look the part

but we are still

   in infancy. Why do I say that?



   1) We hire a sociologist 27 years ago to help us figure out how to help

reflexology

   become a profession. Her major point was to become a profession you need a

systematic

   body of knowledge. If you don't you have a weak profession which usually has

little

   prestige and low pay.



   2) That same year we published The Complete Guide to Foot Reflexology. It was

one of the

   hardest struggle Barbara and I ever faced. But we felt compelled to do since

even during

   the brief time we saw the field changing. And the field of reflexology was yet

to be

   documented. It was all verbal tradition.



   Publishing that book wasn't something I wanted to do because coming from an

academic

   family. I never what was involved and the sacrifice it meant. But it was

worse.



   No publisher would take us so we had to self publish until Prentice Hall saw

the popularity

   of reflexology and "found" us. they can originally returned "our baby"

unopened.



   But we had at least documented this traditional healing modality. And what

ever happens

   to change the field there is a record.



   3) The hard part was naming techniques and defining things that hadn't really

been

   defined before. Issues went on for weeks and at times months. "Holding hand"

and

   "working hand" was a real struggle. Whether to use the traditional description

of

   techniques such as "thumb walking" became a major debate..



   And then trying to describe the techniques was mind boggling. Barbara was

really the

   brains behind this. Instead of 28 different techniques she simplified them

into three

   techniques plus desserts. It was a revolution. Suddenly more people could do

reflexology

   because it had been simplified.



   4) And then just as we put out Hand and Foot Reflexology: A Self Help Guide we

were put

   out of business in the city of Albuquerque. We weren't qualified to practice

reflexology

   because we didn't have a massage license. We would have had to gone to a local

massage

   school to take training in our own book to be qualified.



   It took 5 very long years to reverse that decision. Then only a couple of

years later it was

   attempted again. It took us 31 meeting to get an exemption from the massage

law.



   The definition was absolutely critical. It had to put us outside the massage

law and not

   infringe on other professions.



   So want is the point of all this. You won't get rich being a writer but you

will preserve

   something even if it is only a little piece. And you will help generations to

come.



   Labeling and defining your practices is absolutely critical. There is no real

room for error.



   And don't look to me if you can't come up with a name for this what -do -you

-call it field.

   That's you job.



   And yes I am concern about the impact of each and every little addition to the

field of

   reflexology. I feel we have earned the right to challenge the additions to

this field and

   push the inventors to document the efficacy, safety and mechanism of action as

well as

   the origin of what they are proposing.



   I am concerned that we may not exist as "reflexologists" in the next few

years, There are

   people out there testing reflexology for the neurotransmitters involved. There

are real

   time ECG's and EKG's tests going on to measure heart rate function and

brain-waves. Will

   we be obsolete before too long because we failed to become a systematic body

of

   knowledge.



   And I am concerned about the latest fad. Strong professions have peer review

to guard

   against the latest fad. We don't. And so the what-do-call- it field is a

danger.



   Our fight has never ended. And it will never end if you love this craft as

passionately we

   are.



   So if you really believe this is a necessary and important addition to the

field of reflexology

   be ready to defend it and don't think we won't notice if it is being slipped

in through the

   back door.



   Until we all embrace our systematic body of knowledge and all become builders

in that

   body of knowledge we are still infants and easy prey to those who see the

potential of

   reflexology monetarily without the heart we all have.



   Kevin Kunz



   BTW Barbara and I had never been writes before The Complete Guide to Foot

Reflexology.

   Barbara learned to illustrate to do that book. And the best part is we had no

money. But

   that is another story.



   --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, learnecm <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

   >

   >

   >

   > Hello Evelyn,

   >

   > After many hours of thinking on your reply to Kevin as well as how I

   > replied back to you. I must admit I seemed to myself a tad harsh.

   >

   > But, after a good night's sleep and again thinking more about your

   > posting, I decided to FINISH what I started to say on the last

   > posting.

   >

   > Before I get too upset at you wanting to TREAT PATIENTS I should have

   > asked where you received YOUR medical degree. Maybe you are an MD.

   > I hae met some wholistic practitioners who are. And some who

   > actually promote Reflexology. For example Doctor Susa Wong MD on

   > Aboutus.com as well as many who have co published bookds on

   > reflexology. So that was unfair of me to assume you were not a

   > medical doctor. If you are, my apologies, you do have the RIGHT to

   > prescribe, diagnose and treat for specific conditions, however

   > looking at the ethical side of things, even medical doctors should

   > not claim to cure everyone they meet.

   >

   > One more note on the fact that you feel your "patients", should not

   > have to told what you are doing and that they come to you with trust

   > and assurance that'whatever' you do is OK and acceptable . . .

   > If a medical doctor tells you that a certain course of treatment is

   > OK and that you should take this little pink pill and you will feel

   > better - what would you do????? I always question my medical

   > doctor, research the treatment (ask questions) before making an

   > informed decision about my treatment. Don't you?

   > If a doctor tells a person, you will need to remove the limb. Don't

   > you want more information before undergoing such radical treatment?

   > I would want to know a heck of lot more about the surgery and if

   > something else could be done and about whether the one practicing

   > (the surgeon in this case) is skilled at what he/she does, not to

   > mention if they are ethical in their beliefs.

   > This example is REAL diabetics all over the world are told that

   > because of foot ulcers they need to "remove the limb" yet in medical

   > facilities around the world the medical community is using hyperberic

   > chambers to treat diabetics and "saving their limbs" Wow. The ones

   > that get this treatment had to SEARCH for it and let the WORLD know

   > it is out there. Just like You and I - we need to let everyone know

   > what REFLEXLOGY is. Don't cloud it with our own slant on things some

   > do. Keep it Pure and if you want to "include" other ideals in your

   > treatment of clients, or "patients" do so as not to risk the

   > physical, mental, OR moral well being of the ones you so dearly want

   > to help and love.

   >

   > Please understand this is not a personal attack on anyone, just how I

   > so deeply believe. We do live in a democratic contry - at least I

   > do, and freedom of belief and speech should never besquashed. But as

   > a medical doctor does have limitations so are all of us.

   >

   > I have much more I would like to say, but I will stop here.

   >

   > Take care and let's live, love and learn,

   >

   > Deb

   >

   > --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, Evelyn McCormack

   > <evelyn10267@ > wrote:

   > >

   > > Dear Kevin,

   > >

   > > Reading your words, I felt shocked too.

   > > I feel compelled to answer to your text.

   > >

   > > I'll insert my answers between your lines.

   > >

   > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

   > about Personality

   > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

   > >

   > > I agree, all of them were very intelligent.

   > >

   > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

   > what they are doing for

   > > their clientele. Labeling is not a matter of choice it is a

   > requirement for the protection of

   > > the consumer.Deeper than the legal question to me is the ethical

   > question. Is client fully and fairly

   > > informed as to the nature of the services?That is a law in at least

   > one state.

   > >

   > > I have patients, perhaps you have a clientele.. I have never

   > considered my patients as "clients", because I am a Therapist. Have

   > you ever heard a Doctor in Medicine talk about his clientele? I'd

   > never go to one who speaks like that. Is it perhaps a cultural

   > difference between you and me? I was born and grew up in Austria, I

   > live now in the UK. I have never heard a practitioner talk about his

   > or her "clientele" but about his or her patients. Perhaps terms can

   > be different from place to place..

   > >

   > > I see not ethical question at all. Nobody is hiding anything from

   > my patients. People who have given me the privilege of their

   > confidence and trust must be respected. I don't provide a "service to

   > my clients", I provide a treatment to my patient.

   > >

   > >

   > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

   > who really felt resentful

   > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

   > upon" with the "latest weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner

   > had just learned.

   > >

   > > Who better than you know that there are many kinds of

   > practitioners? Does it surprise you? Because of one your friend met

   > you are putting an entire group inside the same sac? Come on, Kevin,

   > there are good and responsible and there are unprofessional and

   > charlatans everywhere. With a wide range of variants in the middle.

   > >

   > > As a matter of fact, haven't you ever heard a respectable Doctor of

   > Medicine who experiments upon his patient with the latest article he

   > has read or the latest word in equipment he has purchased?

   > >

   > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

   > a problem with

   > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

   > attached. They are

   > > dangerous.

   > >

   > > Who told you that we give personality assessments? This affirmation

   > shows your total ignorance of the subject you are talking about and

   > attacking without knowledge!!

   > >

   > > You talk about research but you haven't asked questions about how

   > exactly do we apply our knowledge to Reflexology. You attack, attack

   > and attack without giving others the opportunity to explain what is

   > all about.

   > >

   > > I invite you to attend one of Avi Grrenberg or Moshce Kruchik

   > seminars and perhaps you can have an idea of what do they teach and

   > why have they become so famous and respected in the world of

   > Reflexology. ..

   > >

   > > As for dangerous, I feel that it is more dangerous to me the person

   > who fancies himself of knowing about something that he really

   > doesn't, underestimating the real knowledge and skills of those who

   > do.

   > >

   > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

   > stable. They are not necessarily

   > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

   > simplest thing. Planning

   > > with someone's head could backfire.

   > >

   > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

   > Reflexology based on? Where is

   > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

   > contraindications? What are the safety

   > > rules?

   > >

   > > Nobody will be able to answer the question by the simple fact that

   > nobody before has talked about Personality Reflexology. Only you. You

   > are the first who talked about Personality Reflexology, so I invite

   > you to explain to all the members of this respectable forum what is

   > that exactly.

   > >

   > > You are the first one who use this combination of terms. And if you

   > ask my opinion, it is wrong. I don't need labels for everything as

   > if Reflexology was comparable to a bottle of whisky....

   > >

   > > Reflexology is a Therapy based on a theory and we, Reflexologists

   > around the world are trying to demonstrate that our theory is valid,

   > to understand more and more how does it work and how deep it can

   > get.

   > >

   > > Fortunately, Reflexology has many facets, not only one. Reflexology

   > has many sources of knowledge, not only one based on

   > suppositions. ...What kind of contraindications can have a good word,

   > a good dialog with your patient, a good advice given on time....?

   > What are you talking about......?

   > >

   > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that..

   > Not only to the clientele

   > > but to this profession as well.

   > >

   > > Fortunately, not all the Reflexologists think like you do.

   > >

   > > More and more of us around the world are introducing to the

   > practice of Reflexology what you consider dangerous. People like Avi,

   > Chris or Moshe are not teaching us the way to criminality. The three

   > of them are lovely people who devoted themselves to Reflexology and

   > on the contrary, they have made and they are making a great

   > contribution to Reflexology with the knowledge they have. If you

   > suggest that what they teach is dangerous, so poor we.....! I should

   > be a dangerous Therapist too.

   > >

   > > It's a pity that you didn't get properly assessed before you stated

   > such an offence.. With such a statement, you are seriously offending

   > the dignity of lots of Reflexologists around the world.

   > >

   > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

   > It is a personality

   > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

   > >

   > > I'll disappoint you once again. I'll give you that false argument,

   > as you define it. I believe that it is based on holism.

   > >

   > > Kevin, please take a look at the world out there and see what is

   > religious fundamentalism achieving with their arguments of "absolute

   > true".

   > > Just intollerance. ....

   > >

   > > So start throwing your bricks.

   > > I threw the ones you've put on my hands.

   > >

   > > Kevin Kunz

   > > Evelyn McCormack

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > > ----- Original Message ----

   > > From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

   > > To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

   > > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 9:07:29 PM

   > > Subject: [Reflexology Community ] I am shocked

   > >

   > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

   > about Personality

   > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

   > >

   > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

   > what they are doing for

   > > their clientele.

   > > That is a law in at least one state.

   > >

   > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

   > who really felt resentful

   > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

   > upon" with the "latest

   > > weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner had just learned.

   > >

   > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

   > a problem with

   > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

   > attached. They are

   > > dangerous.

   > >

   > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

   > stable. They are not necessarily

   > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

   > simplest thing. Planning

   > > with someone's head could backfire.

   > >

   > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

   > Reflexology based on? Where is

   > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

   > contraindications? What are the safety

   > > rules?

   > >

   > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that.

   > Not only to the clientele

   > > but to this profession as well.

   > >

   > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

   > It is a personality

   > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

   > >

   > > So start throwing your bricks.

   > >

   > > Kevin Kunz

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

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Dear Kay,



A paperback writer meets a lady in a party.

When he introduces himself, she says: Oh! So you are Mr.X, the famous writer!

Nice to meet you! I've read your book!

And he says: Aha, so it was you....!



Kay, at least one person read my answer to you.

Thank you for your kindness in replying.

I am sure we share a great passion for Reflexology and from the way you express

your words, we have lots in common.



All the best,



Moshe Kruchik

www.maternityreflexology.net

www.theartofreflexology.com







----- Original Message ----

From: kay sainsbury <kay.sainsbury@...>

To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:35:43 PM

Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a bit

long



Dear Moshe



Thanks for your kind words. I have to say the same. I can feel the passion for

the things you do in your words. They come across very strongly and this too was

a pleasure to read. You put it so eloquently.



Thank you Kay



----- Original Message -----

From: Mauricio Kruchik

To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:37 AM

Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a bit

long



Dear all,



Thank you Kay for your long and enlightening post. Even if it was double the

size there was still a pleasure to read it.



The last days I felt like being inside the eye of the hurricane. Much water,

troubled water, had flown over a bridge that must unite us as Reflexologists.

Something very strange happened here, it was like an earthquake trying to

destroy every single piece of the great building we Reflexologists have been

building for years.

I agree with Eve, my dearest (may I call you student?) colleague. As you well

said, I also believe in Open-Minded Reflexology.



When you go to a Doctor and you tell him about your health problems, sometimes

he might say: it is all in your head.

You go home, frustrated and impotent and ask yourself: am I nuts or what? Should

I need to go to a Psychiatrist, a Psychologist. ...?

Our great privilege as Reflexologists is that when our patient comes to our

consultation, we can enjoy one whole hour and dedicate it to him as he needs it.

A busy doctor would certainly dedicate no more than 5 minutes to all his

complaints, write a couple of prescriptions without even looking at his

patient's eyes and scream: NEXT!



Then, after having being touring all the circles of hell, disappointed by what

tradicional medicine hasn't provided to him yet, come to us, Reflexologists, as

the last option, their last helping hand...

And then, we have an unusual and excellent opportunity to provide them:

DEDICATION and UNDERSTANDING.

Modern medicine has made great steps towards a good quality of life who all of

us try to enjoy. But sometimes, it acts like they have the right of stripping

the patient from all his capacity of self healing and from his own

responsibility for his own health. When you go to a doctor, you instintively

think that he is the one who is able to bring you healing, but you never think

that he will help you orientate to your own self healing. And this is only the

beginning of an endless vicious cycle where the patient doesn't know how to

break, and wher it doesn't have the opportunity to know why that he is suffering

this certain illness.



When the patient has come to our consultation, we can talk with him, ask him

questions that his physician has never asked to him. Without giving him answers,

we can help him find his own hints to understand why this is happening to him.

Sometimes it is a problem caused by a germ, a microbe, a bacteria. But how many

times is this illness caused by an attitude our patient has been developing for

years. Should we trigger his awareness? Do we have the right for it? Please show

me the written law where it is explicitly said that we cannot help another

person. We are allowed to use our knowledge and it is much better that we

develop a friendly way of communication, so our patient can trust us and feel

that we want to help him. Many illnesses develop precisely because the person

doesn't know his body and has never listened to him. He has deposited the

responsibility of taking care of it on the hands of somebody else.



I have a rule of iron in my practice, which is in fact just a starting point for

further observation. My patient can tell me a lot of lies and tell me lots of

excuses about his own health, but his feet won't lie to me.

When I close the door of my room, it is just my patient and me. He is my master.

If he wants to talk, I'll let him. If he prefers to keep silence, I'll be

silent. I will never interfere with his decisions. When he feels open enough to

talk and to ask, I will talk and I will answer. Being gentle. Without attacking

or trying to preech over his conscience. I'll try to show him the way to

understand why is he suffering his illness, based on a deep holistic

understanding. I always try to help my patients understand that there is always

a reason for what they are suffering and it can become a great opportunity to

understand from mistakes. As Evelyn well said, without being a judge, without

pointing this is right and this is wrong. I will be there to escort him through

the path of his own truth.



His feet show not only the physical, but also the emotional and the spiritual.

Yes, Kay, I am sure that if we talked like that 400 years ago, we were hanged

from our nails.

Look at Hyppocrates. ...2500 years ago he said that there are four main fluids

(or humours) flowing through the body: blood, flegm, black bile and yellow bile.

This is why being on a good humour means to be on a good mood. He meant a good

combination of humours is what makes the spirit flow over the body. Hyppocrates!

The father of medicine! Please show me a doctor who talks like that today. He

will be accused to be a charlatan! Hyppocrates theories were the beginning of

medicine and medicine was born as a holistic science. He also described the four

types of character: sanguine for blood, the happy and smiling person, flegmatic

for phlegm, the lethargic and apathic person, the colleric (coln in greek means

bile) to define the guy dominated by yellow bile= anger, and the melancholic

(from greek mellan= black, cholic= bile) dominated by black bile, sad and

depressive.



How many of this holistic approach have we lost through the years? As

Reflexologists, we have a golden opportunity to interpret the whole world

represented by the two feet. The feet explain the physical, the emotional and

the mind, the one that links between them. Reflexology is not only where and

when to press or what is the best technique to use. Reflexology is a whole world

of understanding on the bottom of your body, your feet represent who you are and

why you are like this. They represent your personality, so a whole knowledge of

personality can also be trusted from the enormous well of information that your

feet show.



How curious! The word Personality comes from the ancient Latin: Per Sonare (to

sound, to echoe a voice), a term born in the ancient Roman theatre. Theatres

were open air, in a period in which there were not amplifiers, so they needed

something to boost the volume of their voices. So they used masks, the famous

masks of the Roman theatre. These masks were called PERSONAE, . The PERSONAGE

was the one who carried the mask. The term PERSONALITY has been rooted as the

expression used to define what's beyond our attitudes, the one who carries the

mask.



Many times we are so much into our religion that we forget about God. Many times

we are so much into research that we forget our own intuition and our own

senses.

Research is useful, but intuition and dialog is beautiful. When my little

daughter comes to me crying and complaining of tummy ache every time I have to

fly abroad to deliver a course, I know that she is giving a physical expression

to her frustration and sadness. I don't need a research for that. But if I had

one, I would certainly read it with pleasure.



Now there is a world movement, a great, pleasant one> FREE HUGS, to make you

feel good. Are they allowed to do that? Have they done a Research to test the

effects of a hug? Or are there some other non written elements that make humans

still develop a primitive sense of self help through their own intuition,

collective help and cooperation?

Is there a research made about the effect of love? Why do people get married

then?



Until all the necessary research in this world is complete and done, we,

Reflexologists and loving human beings, still have our intuition and an open

mind to understand the secrets of our own nature.



With great love



Mauricio (Moshe) Kruchik

www.maternityreflex ology.net

www.theartofreflexo logy.com



If you are carrying with you a certain illness, you



Reflexology is one, it is a therapy by own right and we must call ourselves a

profession by own right.



----- Original Message ----

From: kay sainsbury <kay.sainsbury@ dsl.pipex. com>

To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:06:00 AM

Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a bit

long



Dear All

I think we must be open minded. As has been said there are no rights and wrongs,

and even in a discussion like this there is a lot of common ground. There is a

lot going on out there, research, work being done on genetics, physics, healing

modalities and their efficacy that even takes the medical profession to new and

wonderful places so maybe we should too. Personally I wish I had time to read

everything and take everything on board. But I do remember a story once told to

me about some monkeys on different islands and when faced with similar problems

of survival it was shown they all more or less came up with the same solution.

So what is happening in America right now, with the limitations put on

reflexology and the law passed that says you have to become part of the massage

qualification, is yet another step that is required by outside sources to

"legitimise" what we do. It has happened in other places and with time it has

been overcome.



When the use of healing modalities goes up in the UK, you can bet your bottom

dollar that the next day in the broadsheets (the more upmarket papers) there is

an article directed at a so-called intelligent section of the population, which

will demean and lower them. It is quite often reflexology. They used to do it to

chiropractics, osteopaths and acupuncturists, but they are now accepted in their

own right. Unfortunately in all of history there has been a lot of fear borne

through misunderstanding and prejudice. Same here in the UK. Only a few hundred

years ago we (reflexologists) would have all been hung by the neck or drowned as

witches, heretics and the like for doing the work of the devil (and some

religions still believe so...). So we have come a long way already.



In England, where I am from, it is enough that you have studied at a

professional level (and yes, it is a profession) are fully qualified and

insured. We do not need a licence to practice (unless it involves breaking the

skin as in acupuncture) but the most successful practitioners do belong to bona

fide associations who are striving to bring educational standards up to a point

where all professional bodies and their teaching methods are integrated. No-one

should work without insurance. There are still grey areas in this country and

basically any beauty therapist can go on a course and say they are a

reflexologist :( Personally I frown on that, but I long ago gave up my shield

and charger to go and fight the good fight.) I have found through experience

that whilst I am fully booked with a waiting list because my reflexology makes a

difference to people, others, including those who have done a diploma or a

college course (arghhh), get very few return

clients.



The true test of the efficacy of a particular modality is your return clientele.

If what you are doing works and is bringing your clients and referrals from them

back again (I have clients on my books for 5 years plus as new problems surface

for them) surely that is the true test.



I personally also find that people want to know. People are intelligent on the

whole. They have read about other modalities. The most common question I ask is

can you have Reiki while having reflexology. (Though I don't do Reiki) People

are becoming aware that there are other "tools" available to them, especially in

this country when the NHS has failed so many people through waiting times and

ineffective or too many pills. People throughout the world are taking back

control. They are seeking out our services from a desire to be more natural;

they don't want to keep popping pills. They read up things on the internet. They

ask what I can do for them. What does this mean. What does a certain colour

mean. Personally I would feel inadequate as a therapist, remembering i am taking

their money, if I could not answer their questions with at least the basics.



As for me, when I learned reflexology no-one explained to me about how the

body's energy (which is fluid) can fluctuate. Nobody explained to me that as a

therapist I could suffer "transference" . Very shortly after starting out I

would know what the person's problem is when they entered the room because I

felt it in my body. I was open and receiving and was not taught how to block

that and be grounded and ready to give my session clearly. It was only on a

workshop that I was allowed to feel my own body energy (aura) fluctuating and

when I went to a linking workshop, which doubled up with a work shop by Moss

Arnold on meridians, that lots of pennies dropped. We shouldn't even be taught

reflexology without going into body energy, how emotions affect us, and the

transference of energy between two people. In my opinion therefore all these

other modalities should come before traditional reflexology, not afterwards!



To have no fear is very liberating. I have worked with every contraindication

listed in every reflexology book I have found, with 100% success. Not through

stubborn-ness, but because the opportunities came up and I went with the flow.

My fear is that as therapists if we don't go with the flow (of life, and all its

many shapes and colours reflected in the more "holistic" aspects of reflexology,

including what the feet show me at every level not just physical), then we will

become stagnated. Then we become mediocre, and cannot bend with our clients.



The science of reflexology is there for all to study. If you want to be rigid in

its application and that works for you - great. There is so much benefit to be

had. If you want to go beyond the original concept - and there are many who have

and have had a struggle getting their work accepted - then that should be fine

too. Then it becomes an art.



Give a little in your practice .... the rewards are indescribable.

With love



----- Original Message -----

From: Evelyn McCormack

To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



Dear Kevin,



I read your post and couldn't agree with you more.



Reflexology will never die, it is only growing and despite all the people out

there trying to damage our reputation and our PROFESSION, nothing but human

warmth with a healing and loving spirit would be able to substitute us for

machines or electrodes.



No machine will be able never to substitute the warmth of a hug, a human hug. No

lawyer and no journalist will be able never to destroy people's hearts.

Reflexology is stepping forward, I am glad that Moshe brought all those

outstanding news from Australia. I was so happy yesterday when I read his

post!!! Everyone of us should cheer what's happening now with Reflexology.



I've learnt on your books. When my youngest son was a newborn, somebody handed

me The Complete Parents' guide to Reflexology.



I am afraid of those Reflexologists who claim having founded Reflexology and try

to seed on the ignorance of other people with no more backup than a monetary and

commercial objective. There is a very famous Reflexologist out there who claims

having that credit....of having founded Reflexology. Not you. I am afraid of

those Reflexologists who invent stories, lie or steal techniques from other

people and immediately create and make a trademark with a bombastic name as if

it was their invention or discovery. I am afraid of these people's low level of

ethics, so low that they will never be able to understand what the word ethics

mean. I know who am I talking about.



Therefore, I had a problem in matching the same person whose books I read with

passion and seeded so much for the welfare of Reflexology as you did with the

person who attacked without a reason other sources of knowledge that YES can

enrich Reflexology as a Therapy.



Best wishes



Lov,



Eve



----- Original Message ----

From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2007 4:41:30 PM

Subject: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



I started this and I don't want to continue a flame war on this group. So after

a good

night's sleep let me tell you what is bothering me.



We are not a profession.. . yet. We may have the trimming and look the part but

we are still

in infancy. Why do I say that?



1) We hire a sociologist 27 years ago to help us figure out how to help

reflexology

become a profession. Her major point was to become a profession you need a

systematic

body of knowledge. If you don't you have a weak profession which usually has

little

prestige and low pay.



2) That same year we published The Complete Guide to Foot Reflexology. It was

one of the

hardest struggle Barbara and I ever faced. But we felt compelled to do since

even during

the brief time we saw the field changing. And the field of reflexology was yet

to be

documented. It was all verbal tradition.



Publishing that book wasn't something I wanted to do because coming from an

academic

family. I never what was involved and the sacrifice it meant. But it was worse.



No publisher would take us so we had to self publish until Prentice Hall saw the

popularity

of reflexology and "found" us. they can originally returned "our baby" unopened.



But we had at least documented this traditional healing modality. And what ever

happens

to change the field there is a record.



3) The hard part was naming techniques and defining things that hadn't really

been

defined before. Issues went on for weeks and at times months. "Holding hand" and

"working hand" was a real struggle. Whether to use the traditional description

of

techniques such as "thumb walking" became a major debate..



And then trying to describe the techniques was mind boggling. Barbara was really

the

brains behind this. Instead of 28 different techniques she simplified them into

three

techniques plus desserts. It was a revolution. Suddenly more people could do

reflexology

because it had been simplified.



4) And then just as we put out Hand and Foot Reflexology: A Self Help Guide we

were put

out of business in the city of Albuquerque. We weren't qualified to practice

reflexology

because we didn't have a massage license. We would have had to gone to a local

massage

school to take training in our own book to be qualified.



It took 5 very long years to reverse that decision. Then only a couple of years

later it was

attempted again. It took us 31 meeting to get an exemption from the massage law.



The definition was absolutely critical. It had to put us outside the massage law

and not

infringe on other professions.



So want is the point of all this. You won't get rich being a writer but you will

preserve

something even if it is only a little piece. And you will help generations to

come.



Labeling and defining your practices is absolutely critical. There is no real

room for error.



And don't look to me if you can't come up with a name for this what -do -you

-call it field.

That's you job.



And yes I am concern about the impact of each and every little addition to the

field of

reflexology. I feel we have earned the right to challenge the additions to this

field and

push the inventors to document the efficacy, safety and mechanism of action as

well as

the origin of what they are proposing.



I am concerned that we may not exist as "reflexologists" in the next few years,

There are

people out there testing reflexology for the neurotransmitters involved. There

are real

time ECG's and EKG's tests going on to measure heart rate function and

brain-waves. Will

we be obsolete before too long because we failed to become a systematic body of

knowledge.



And I am concerned about the latest fad. Strong professions have peer review to

guard

against the latest fad. We don't. And so the what-do-call- it field is a danger.



Our fight has never ended. And it will never end if you love this craft as

passionately we

are.



So if you really believe this is a necessary and important addition to the field

of reflexology

be ready to defend it and don't think we won't notice if it is being slipped in

through the

back door.



Until we all embrace our systematic body of knowledge and all become builders in

that

body of knowledge we are still infants and easy prey to those who see the

potential of

reflexology monetarily without the heart we all have.



Kevin Kunz



BTW Barbara and I had never been writes before The Complete Guide to Foot

Reflexology.

Barbara learned to illustrate to do that book. And the best part is we had no

money. But

that is another story.



--- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, learnecm <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello Evelyn,

>

> After many hours of thinking on your reply to Kevin as well as how I

> replied back to you. I must admit I seemed to myself a tad harsh.

>

> But, after a good night's sleep and again thinking more about your

> posting, I decided to FINISH what I started to say on the last

> posting.

>

> Before I get too upset at you wanting to TREAT PATIENTS I should have

> asked where you received YOUR medical degree. Maybe you are an MD.

> I hae met some wholistic practitioners who are. And some who

> actually promote Reflexology. For example Doctor Susa Wong MD on

> Aboutus.com as well as many who have co published bookds on

> reflexology. So that was unfair of me to assume you were not a

> medical doctor. If you are, my apologies, you do have the RIGHT to

> prescribe, diagnose and treat for specific conditions, however

> looking at the ethical side of things, even medical doctors should

> not claim to cure everyone they meet.

>

> One more note on the fact that you feel your "patients", should not

> have to told what you are doing and that they come to you with trust

> and assurance that'whatever' you do is OK and acceptable . . .

> If a medical doctor tells you that a certain course of treatment is

> OK and that you should take this little pink pill and you will feel

> better - what would you do????? I always question my medical

> doctor, research the treatment (ask questions) before making an

> informed decision about my treatment. Don't you?

> If a doctor tells a person, you will need to remove the limb. Don't

> you want more information before undergoing such radical treatment?

> I would want to know a heck of lot more about the surgery and if

> something else could be done and about whether the one practicing

> (the surgeon in this case) is skilled at what he/she does, not to

> mention if they are ethical in their beliefs.

> This example is REAL diabetics all over the world are told that

> because of foot ulcers they need to "remove the limb" yet in medical

> facilities around the world the medical community is using hyperberic

> chambers to treat diabetics and "saving their limbs" Wow. The ones

> that get this treatment had to SEARCH for it and let the WORLD know

> it is out there. Just like You and I - we need to let everyone know

> what REFLEXLOGY is. Don't cloud it with our own slant on things some

> do. Keep it Pure and if you want to "include" other ideals in your

> treatment of clients, or "patients" do so as not to risk the

> physical, mental, OR moral well being of the ones you so dearly want

> to help and love.

>

> Please understand this is not a personal attack on anyone, just how I

> so deeply believe. We do live in a democratic contry - at least I

> do, and freedom of belief and speech should never besquashed. But as

> a medical doctor does have limitations so are all of us.

>

> I have much more I would like to say, but I will stop here.

>

> Take care and let's live, love and learn,

>

> Deb

>

> --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, Evelyn McCormack

> <evelyn10267@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kevin,

> >

> > Reading your words, I felt shocked too.

> > I feel compelled to answer to your text.

> >

> > I'll insert my answers between your lines.

> >

> > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> about Personality

> > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> >

> > I agree, all of them were very intelligent.

> >

> > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> what they are doing for

> > their clientele. Labeling is not a matter of choice it is a

> requirement for the protection of

> > the consumer.Deeper than the legal question to me is the ethical

> question. Is client fully and fairly

> > informed as to the nature of the services?That is a law in at least

> one state.

> >

> > I have patients, perhaps you have a clientele.. I have never

> considered my patients as "clients", because I am a Therapist. Have

> you ever heard a Doctor in Medicine talk about his clientele? I'd

> never go to one who speaks like that. Is it perhaps a cultural

> difference between you and me? I was born and grew up in Austria, I

> live now in the UK. I have never heard a practitioner talk about his

> or her "clientele" but about his or her patients. Perhaps terms can

> be different from place to place..

> >

> > I see not ethical question at all. Nobody is hiding anything from

> my patients. People who have given me the privilege of their

> confidence and trust must be respected. I don't provide a "service to

> my clients", I provide a treatment to my patient.

> >

> >

> > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> who really felt resentful

> > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> upon" with the "latest weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner

> had just learned.

> >

> > Who better than you know that there are many kinds of

> practitioners? Does it surprise you? Because of one your friend met

> you are putting an entire group inside the same sac? Come on, Kevin,

> there are good and responsible and there are unprofessional and

> charlatans everywhere. With a wide range of variants in the middle.

> >

> > As a matter of fact, haven't you ever heard a respectable Doctor of

> Medicine who experiments upon his patient with the latest article he

> has read or the latest word in equipment he has purchased?

> >

> > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> a problem with

> > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> attached. They are

> > dangerous.

> >

> > Who told you that we give personality assessments? This affirmation

> shows your total ignorance of the subject you are talking about and

> attacking without knowledge!!

> >

> > You talk about research but you haven't asked questions about how

> exactly do we apply our knowledge to Reflexology. You attack, attack

> and attack without giving others the opportunity to explain what is

> all about.

> >

> > I invite you to attend one of Avi Grrenberg or Moshce Kruchik

> seminars and perhaps you can have an idea of what do they teach and

> why have they become so famous and respected in the world of

> Reflexology. ..

> >

> > As for dangerous, I feel that it is more dangerous to me the person

> who fancies himself of knowing about something that he really

> doesn't, underestimating the real knowledge and skills of those who

> do.

> >

> > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> stable. They are not necessarily

> > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> simplest thing. Planning

> > with someone's head could backfire.

> >

> > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> Reflexology based on? Where is

> > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> contraindications? What are the safety

> > rules?

> >

> > Nobody will be able to answer the question by the simple fact that

> nobody before has talked about Personality Reflexology. Only you. You

> are the first who talked about Personality Reflexology, so I invite

> you to explain to all the members of this respectable forum what is

> that exactly.

> >

> > You are the first one who use this combination of terms. And if you

> ask my opinion, it is wrong. I don't need labels for everything as

> if Reflexology was comparable to a bottle of whisky....

> >

> > Reflexology is a Therapy based on a theory and we, Reflexologists

> around the world are trying to demonstrate that our theory is valid,

> to understand more and more how does it work and how deep it can

> get.

> >

> > Fortunately, Reflexology has many facets, not only one. Reflexology

> has many sources of knowledge, not only one based on

> suppositions. ...What kind of contraindications can have a good word,

> a good dialog with your patient, a good advice given on time....?

> What are you talking about......?

> >

> > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that..

> Not only to the clientele

> > but to this profession as well.

> >

> > Fortunately, not all the Reflexologists think like you do.

> >

> > More and more of us around the world are introducing to the

> practice of Reflexology what you consider dangerous. People like Avi,

> Chris or Moshe are not teaching us the way to criminality. The three

> of them are lovely people who devoted themselves to Reflexology and

> on the contrary, they have made and they are making a great

> contribution to Reflexology with the knowledge they have. If you

> suggest that what they teach is dangerous, so poor we.....! I should

> be a dangerous Therapist too.

> >

> > It's a pity that you didn't get properly assessed before you stated

> such an offence.. With such a statement, you are seriously offending

> the dignity of lots of Reflexologists around the world.

> >

> > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> It is a personality

> > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> >

> > I'll disappoint you once again. I'll give you that false argument,

> as you define it. I believe that it is based on holism.

> >

> > Kevin, please take a look at the world out there and see what is

> religious fundamentalism achieving with their arguments of "absolute

> true".

> > Just intollerance. ....

> >

> > So start throwing your bricks.

> > I threw the ones you've put on my hands.

> >

> > Kevin Kunz

> > Evelyn McCormack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> > From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> > To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 9:07:29 PM

> > Subject: [Reflexology Community ] I am shocked

> >

> > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> about Personality

> > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> >

> > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> what they are doing for

> > their clientele.

> > That is a law in at least one state.

> >

> > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> who really felt resentful

> > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> upon" with the "latest

> > weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner had just learned.

> >

> > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> a problem with

> > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> attached. They are

> > dangerous.

> >

> > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> stable. They are not necessarily

> > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> simplest thing. Planning

> > with someone's head could backfire.

> >

> > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> Reflexology based on? Where is

> > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> contraindications? What are the safety

> > rules?

> >

> > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that.

> Not only to the clientele

> > but to this profession as well.

> >

> > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> It is a personality

> > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> >

> > So start throwing your bricks.

> >

> > Kevin Kunz

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Kay,



Your words sounded to me like a healing balm on an hurt heart.

Can't agree with you more and wish to give you a big hug. May I? I send it to

you with these words.



I was delighted by the wisdom and the love you dedicated to write it.

What an example of love, friendship and understanding you have given to every

one of us!

There is so much to learn from you too.



Thank you for that.

Lov



Eve











----- Original Message ----

From: kay sainsbury <kay.sainsbury@...>

To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, 11 October, 2007 12:06:00 AM

Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a bit

long



Dear All

I think we must be open minded.. As has been said there are no rights and

wrongs, and even in a discussion like this there is a lot of common ground.

There is a lot going on out there, research, work being done on genetics,

physics, healing modalities and their efficacy that even takes the medical

profession to new and wonderful places so maybe we should too. Personally I wish

I had time to read everything and take everything on board. But I do remember a

story once told to me about some monkeys on different islands and when faced

with similar problems of survival it was shown they all more or less came up

with the same solution. So what is happening in America right now, with the

limitations put on reflexology and the law passed that says you have to become

part of the massage qualification, is yet another step that is required by

outside sources to "legitimise" what we do. It has happened in other places and

with time it has been overcome.



When the use of healing modalities goes up in the UK, you can bet your bottom

dollar that the next day in the broadsheets (the more upmarket papers) there is

an article directed at a so-called intelligent section of the population, which

will demean and lower them. It is quite often reflexology. They used to do it to

chiropractics, osteopaths and acupuncturists, but they are now accepted in their

own right. Unfortunately in all of history there has been a lot of fear borne

through misunderstanding and prejudice. Same here in the UK. Only a few hundred

years ago we (reflexologists) would have all been hung by the neck or drowned as

witches, heretics and the like for doing the work of the devil (and some

religions still believe so...). So we have come a long way already.



In England, where I am from, it is enough that you have studied at a

professional level (and yes, it is a profession) are fully qualified and

insured. We do not need a licence to practice (unless it involves breaking the

skin as in acupuncture) but the most successful practitioners do belong to bona

fide associations who are striving to bring educational standards up to a point

where all professional bodies and their teaching methods are integrated. No-one

should work without insurance. There are still grey areas in this country and

basically any beauty therapist can go on a course and say they are a

reflexologist :( Personally I frown on that, but I long ago gave up my shield

and charger to go and fight the good fight.) I have found through experience

that whilst I am fully booked with a waiting list because my reflexology makes a

difference to people, others, including those who have done a diploma or a

college course (arghhh), get very few return

  clients.



The true test of the efficacy of a particular modality is your return clientele.

If what you are doing works and is bringing your clients and referrals from them

back again (I have clients on my books for 5 years plus as new problems surface

for them) surely that is the true test.



I personally also find that people want to know. People are intelligent on the

whole. They have read about other modalities. The most common question I ask is

can you have Reiki while having reflexology. (Though I don't do Reiki) People

are becoming aware that there are other "tools" available to them, especially in

this country when the NHS has failed so many people through waiting times and

ineffective or too many pills. People throughout the world are taking back

control. They are seeking out our services from a desire to be more natural;

they don't want to keep popping pills. They read up things on the internet. They

ask what I can do for them. What does this mean. What does a certain colour

mean. Personally I would feel inadequate as a therapist, remembering i am taking

their money, if I could not answer their questions with at least the basics.



As for me, when I learned reflexology no-one explained to me about how the

body's energy (which is fluid) can fluctuate. Nobody explained to me that as a

therapist I could suffer "transference" . Very shortly after starting out I

would know what the person's problem is when they entered the room because I

felt it in my body. I was open and receiving and was not taught how to block

that and be grounded and ready to give my session clearly. It was only on a

workshop that I was allowed to feel my own body energy (aura) fluctuating and

when I went to a linking workshop, which doubled up with a work shop by Moss

Arnold on meridians, that lots of pennies dropped. We shouldn't even be taught

reflexology without going into body energy, how emotions affect us, and the

transference of energy between two people. In my opinion therefore all these

other modalities should come before traditional reflexology, not afterwards!



To have no fear is very liberating. I have worked with every contraindication

listed in every reflexology book I have found, with 100% success. Not through

stubborn-ness, but because the opportunities came up and I went with the flow.

My fear is that as therapists if we don't go with the flow (of life, and all its

many shapes and colours reflected in the more "holistic" aspects of reflexology,

including what the feet show me at every level not just physical), then we will

become stagnated. Then we become mediocre, and cannot bend with our clients.



The science of reflexology is there for all to study. If you want to be rigid in

its application and that works for you - great. There is so much benefit to be

had. If you want to go beyond the original concept - and there are many who have

and have had a struggle getting their work accepted - then that should be fine

too. Then it becomes an art.



Give a little in your practice .... the rewards are indescribable.

With love



----- Original Message -----

From: Evelyn McCormack

To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



Dear Kevin,



I read your post and couldn't agree with you more.



Reflexology will never die, it is only growing and despite all the people out

there trying to damage our reputation and our PROFESSION, nothing but human

warmth with a healing and loving spirit would be able to substitute us for

machines or electrodes.



No machine will be able never to substitute the warmth of a hug, a human hug. No

lawyer and no journalist will be able never to destroy people's hearts.

Reflexology is stepping forward, I am glad that Moshe brought all those

outstanding news from Australia. I was so happy yesterday when I read his

post!!! Everyone of us should cheer what's happening now with Reflexology.



I've learnt on your books. When my youngest son was a newborn, somebody handed

me The Complete Parents' guide to Reflexology.



I am afraid of those Reflexologists who claim having founded Reflexology and try

to seed on the ignorance of other people with no more backup than a monetary and

commercial objective. There is a very famous Reflexologist out there who claims

having that credit....of having founded Reflexology. Not you. I am afraid of

those Reflexologists who invent stories, lie or steal techniques from other

people and immediately create and make a trademark with a bombastic name as if

it was their invention or discovery. I am afraid of these people's low level of

ethics, so low that they will never be able to understand what the word ethics

mean. I know who am I talking about.



Therefore, I had a problem in matching the same person whose books I read with

passion and seeded so much for the welfare of Reflexology as you did with the

person who attacked without a reason other sources of knowledge that YES can

enrich Reflexology as a Therapy.



Best wishes



Lov,



Eve



----- Original Message ----

From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2007 4:41:30 PM

Subject: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



I started this and I don't want to continue a flame war on this group. So after

a good

night's sleep let me tell you what is bothering me.



We are not a profession.. . yet. We may have the trimming and look the part but

we are still

in infancy. Why do I say that?



1) We hire a sociologist 27 years ago to help us figure out how to help

reflexology

become a profession. Her major point was to become a profession you need a

systematic

body of knowledge. If you don't you have a weak profession which usually has

little

prestige and low pay.



2) That same year we published The Complete Guide to Foot Reflexology. It was

one of the

hardest struggle Barbara and I ever faced. But we felt compelled to do since

even during

the brief time we saw the field changing. And the field of reflexology was yet

to be

documented. It was all verbal tradition.



Publishing that book wasn't something I wanted to do because coming from an

academic

family. I never what was involved and the sacrifice it meant. But it was worse.



No publisher would take us so we had to self publish until Prentice Hall saw the

popularity

of reflexology and "found" us. they can originally returned "our baby" unopened.



But we had at least documented this traditional healing modality. And what ever

happens

to change the field there is a record.



3) The hard part was naming techniques and defining things that hadn't really

been

defined before. Issues went on for weeks and at times months. "Holding hand" and

"working hand" was a real struggle. Whether to use the traditional description

of

techniques such as "thumb walking" became a major debate..



And then trying to describe the techniques was mind boggling. Barbara was really

the

brains behind this. Instead of 28 different techniques she simplified them into

three

techniques plus desserts. It was a revolution. Suddenly more people could do

reflexology

because it had been simplified.



4) And then just as we put out Hand and Foot Reflexology: A Self Help Guide we

were put

out of business in the city of Albuquerque. We weren't qualified to practice

reflexology

because we didn't have a massage license. We would have had to gone to a local

massage

school to take training in our own book to be qualified.



It took 5 very long years to reverse that decision. Then only a couple of years

later it was

attempted again. It took us 31 meeting to get an exemption from the massage law.



The definition was absolutely critical. It had to put us outside the massage law

and not

infringe on other professions.



So want is the point of all this. You won't get rich being a writer but you will

preserve

something even if it is only a little piece. And you will help generations to

come.



Labeling and defining your practices is absolutely critical. There is no real

room for error.



And don't look to me if you can't come up with a name for this what -do -you

-call it field.

That's you job.



And yes I am concern about the impact of each and every little addition to the

field of

reflexology. I feel we have earned the right to challenge the additions to this

field and

push the inventors to document the efficacy, safety and mechanism of action as

well as

the origin of what they are proposing.



I am concerned that we may not exist as "reflexologists" in the next few years,

There are

people out there testing reflexology for the neurotransmitters involved. There

are real

time ECG's and EKG's tests going on to measure heart rate function and

brain-waves. Will

we be obsolete before too long because we failed to become a systematic body of

knowledge.



And I am concerned about the latest fad. Strong professions have peer review to

guard

against the latest fad. We don't. And so the what-do-call- it field is a danger.



Our fight has never ended. And it will never end if you love this craft as

passionately we

are.



So if you really believe this is a necessary and important addition to the field

of reflexology

be ready to defend it and don't think we won't notice if it is being slipped in

through the

back door.



Until we all embrace our systematic body of knowledge and all become builders in

that

body of knowledge we are still infants and easy prey to those who see the

potential of

reflexology monetarily without the heart we all have.



Kevin Kunz



BTW Barbara and I had never been writes before The Complete Guide to Foot

Reflexology.

Barbara learned to illustrate to do that book. And the best part is we had no

money. But

that is another story.



--- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, learnecm <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello Evelyn,

>

> After many hours of thinking on your reply to Kevin as well as how I

> replied back to you. I must admit I seemed to myself a tad harsh.

>

> But, after a good night's sleep and again thinking more about your

> posting, I decided to FINISH what I started to say on the last

> posting.

>

> Before I get too upset at you wanting to TREAT PATIENTS I should have

> asked where you received YOUR medical degree. Maybe you are an MD.

> I hae met some wholistic practitioners who are. And some who

> actually promote Reflexology. For example Doctor Susa Wong MD on

> Aboutus.com as well as many who have co published bookds on

> reflexology. So that was unfair of me to assume you were not a

> medical doctor. If you are, my apologies, you do have the RIGHT to

> prescribe, diagnose and treat for specific conditions, however

> looking at the ethical side of things, even medical doctors should

> not claim to cure everyone they meet.

>

> One more note on the fact that you feel your "patients", should not

> have to told what you are doing and that they come to you with trust

> and assurance that'whatever' you do is OK and acceptable . . .

> If a medical doctor tells you that a certain course of treatment is

> OK and that you should take this little pink pill and you will feel

> better - what would you do????? I always question my medical

> doctor, research the treatment (ask questions) before making an

> informed decision about my treatment. Don't you?

> If a doctor tells a person, you will need to remove the limb. Don't

> you want more information before undergoing such radical treatment?

> I would want to know a heck of lot more about the surgery and if

> something else could be done and about whether the one practicing

> (the surgeon in this case) is skilled at what he/she does, not to

> mention if they are ethical in their beliefs.

> This example is REAL diabetics all over the world are told that

> because of foot ulcers they need to "remove the limb" yet in medical

> facilities around the world the medical community is using hyperberic

> chambers to treat diabetics and "saving their limbs" Wow. The ones

> that get this treatment had to SEARCH for it and let the WORLD know

> it is out there. Just like You and I - we need to let everyone know

> what REFLEXLOGY is. Don't cloud it with our own slant on things some

> do. Keep it Pure and if you want to "include" other ideals in your

> treatment of clients, or "patients" do so as not to risk the

> physical, mental, OR moral well being of the ones you so dearly want

> to help and love.

>

> Please understand this is not a personal attack on anyone, just how I

> so deeply believe. We do live in a democratic contry - at least I

> do, and freedom of belief and speech should never besquashed. But as

> a medical doctor does have limitations so are all of us.

>

> I have much more I would like to say, but I will stop here.

>

> Take care and let's live, love and learn,

>

> Deb

>

> --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, Evelyn McCormack

> <evelyn10267@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kevin,

> >

> > Reading your words, I felt shocked too.

> > I feel compelled to answer to your text.

> >

> > I'll insert my answers between your lines.

> >

> > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> about Personality

> > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> >

> > I agree, all of them were very intelligent.

> >

> > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> what they are doing for

> > their clientele. Labeling is not a matter of choice it is a

> requirement for the protection of

> > the consumer.Deeper than the legal question to me is the ethical

> question. Is client fully and fairly

> > informed as to the nature of the services?That is a law in at least

> one state.

> >

> > I have patients, perhaps you have a clientele.. I have never

> considered my patients as "clients", because I am a Therapist. Have

> you ever heard a Doctor in Medicine talk about his clientele? I'd

> never go to one who speaks like that. Is it perhaps a cultural

> difference between you and me? I was born and grew up in Austria, I

> live now in the UK. I have never heard a practitioner talk about his

> or her "clientele" but about his or her patients. Perhaps terms can

> be different from place to place..

> >

> > I see not ethical question at all. Nobody is hiding anything from

> my patients. People who have given me the privilege of their

> confidence and trust must be respected. I don't provide a "service to

> my clients", I provide a treatment to my patient.

> >

> >

> > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> who really felt resentful

> > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> upon" with the "latest weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner

> had just learned.

> >

> > Who better than you know that there are many kinds of

> practitioners? Does it surprise you? Because of one your friend met

> you are putting an entire group inside the same sac? Come on, Kevin,

> there are good and responsible and there are unprofessional and

> charlatans everywhere. With a wide range of variants in the middle.

> >

> > As a matter of fact, haven't you ever heard a respectable Doctor of

> Medicine who experiments upon his patient with the latest article he

> has read or the latest word in equipment he has purchased?

> >

> > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> a problem with

> > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> attached. They are

> > dangerous.

> >

> > Who told you that we give personality assessments? This affirmation

> shows your total ignorance of the subject you are talking about and

> attacking without knowledge!!

> >

> > You talk about research but you haven't asked questions about how

> exactly do we apply our knowledge to Reflexology. You attack, attack

> and attack without giving others the opportunity to explain what is

> all about.

> >

> > I invite you to attend one of Avi Grrenberg or Moshce Kruchik

> seminars and perhaps you can have an idea of what do they teach and

> why have they become so famous and respected in the world of

> Reflexology. ..

> >

> > As for dangerous, I feel that it is more dangerous to me the person

> who fancies himself of knowing about something that he really

> doesn't, underestimating the real knowledge and skills of those who

> do.

> >

> > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> stable. They are not necessarily

> > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> simplest thing. Planning

> > with someone's head could backfire.

> >

> > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> Reflexology based on? Where is

> > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> contraindications? What are the safety

> > rules?

> >

> > Nobody will be able to answer the question by the simple fact that

> nobody before has talked about Personality Reflexology. Only you. You

> are the first who talked about Personality Reflexology, so I invite

> you to explain to all the members of this respectable forum what is

> that exactly.

> >

> > You are the first one who use this combination of terms. And if you

> ask my opinion, it is wrong. I don't need labels for everything as

> if Reflexology was comparable to a bottle of whisky....

> >

> > Reflexology is a Therapy based on a theory and we, Reflexologists

> around the world are trying to demonstrate that our theory is valid,

> to understand more and more how does it work and how deep it can

> get.

> >

> > Fortunately, Reflexology has many facets, not only one. Reflexology

> has many sources of knowledge, not only one based on

> suppositions. ...What kind of contraindications can have a good word,

> a good dialog with your patient, a good advice given on time....?

> What are you talking about......?

> >

> > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that..

> Not only to the clientele

> > but to this profession as well.

> >

> > Fortunately, not all the Reflexologists think like you do.

> >

> > More and more of us around the world are introducing to the

> practice of Reflexology what you consider dangerous. People like Avi,

> Chris or Moshe are not teaching us the way to criminality. The three

> of them are lovely people who devoted themselves to Reflexology and

> on the contrary, they have made and they are making a great

> contribution to Reflexology with the knowledge they have. If you

> suggest that what they teach is dangerous, so poor we.....! I should

> be a dangerous Therapist too.

> >

> > It's a pity that you didn't get properly assessed before you stated

> such an offence.. With such a statement, you are seriously offending

> the dignity of lots of Reflexologists around the world.

> >

> > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> It is a personality

> > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> >

> > I'll disappoint you once again. I'll give you that false argument,

> as you define it. I believe that it is based on holism.

> >

> > Kevin, please take a look at the world out there and see what is

> religious fundamentalism achieving with their arguments of "absolute

> true".

> > Just intollerance. ....

> >

> > So start throwing your bricks.

> > I threw the ones you've put on my hands.

> >

> > Kevin Kunz

> > Evelyn McCormack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> > From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> > To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 9:07:29 PM

> > Subject: [Reflexology Community ] I am shocked

> >

> > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

> about Personality

> > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

> >

> > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

> what they are doing for

> > their clientele.

> > That is a law in at least one state.

> >

> > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

> who really felt resentful

> > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

> upon" with the "latest

> > weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner had just learned.

> >

> > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

> a problem with

> > personality assessments based on findings without any research

> attached. They are

> > dangerous.

> >

> > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

> stable. They are not necessarily

> > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

> simplest thing. Planning

> > with someone's head could backfire.

> >

> > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

> Reflexology based on? Where is

> > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

> contraindications? What are the safety

> > rules?

> >

> > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that.

> Not only to the clientele

> > but to this profession as well.

> >

> > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

> It is a personality

> > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

> >

> > So start throwing your bricks.

> >

> > Kevin Kunz

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Eve



I am always open to a hug.... and it is gratefully received.

I read every post in this forum and yes there is a lot to learn from everybody, 

you included. But thanks for your kind words

No doubt we will both be posting again and can share the wisdom.

Take care

Kay





   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Evelyn McCormack

   To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:21 AM

   Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a

bit long





   Dear Kay,



   Your words sounded to me like a healing balm on an hurt heart.

   Can't agree with you more and wish to give you a big hug. May I? I send it to

you with these words.



   I was delighted by the wisdom and the love you dedicated to write it.

   What an example of love, friendship and understanding you have given to every

one of us!

   There is so much to learn from you too.



   Thank you for that.

   Lov



   Eve



   ----- Original Message ----

   From: kay sainsbury <kay.sainsbury@...>

   To: reflexologycommunity@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Thursday, 11 October, 2007 12:06:00 AM

   Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Recent thread - sorry if the post is a

bit long



   Dear All

   I think we must be open minded.. As has been said there are no rights and

wrongs, and even in a discussion like this there is a lot of common ground.

There is a lot going on out there, research, work being done on genetics,

physics, healing modalities and their efficacy that even takes the medical

profession to new and wonderful places so maybe we should too. Personally I wish

I had time to read everything and take everything on board. But I do remember a

story once told to me about some monkeys on different islands and when faced

with similar problems of survival it was shown they all more or less came up

with the same solution. So what is happening in America right now, with the

limitations put on reflexology and the law passed that says you have to become

part of the massage qualification, is yet another step that is required by

outside sources to "legitimise" what we do. It has happened in other places and

with time it has been overcome.



   When the use of healing modalities goes up in the UK, you can bet your bottom

dollar that the next day in the broadsheets (the more upmarket papers) there is

an article directed at a so-called intelligent section of the population, which

will demean and lower them. It is quite often reflexology. They used to do it to

chiropractics, osteopaths and acupuncturists, but they are now accepted in their

own right. Unfortunately in all of history there has been a lot of fear borne

through misunderstanding and prejudice. Same here in the UK. Only a few hundred

years ago we (reflexologists) would have all been hung by the neck or drowned as

witches, heretics and the like for doing the work of the devil (and some

religions still believe so...). So we have come a long way already.



   In England, where I am from, it is enough that you have studied at a

professional level (and yes, it is a profession) are fully qualified and

insured. We do not need a licence to practice (unless it involves breaking the

skin as in acupuncture) but the most successful practitioners do belong to bona

fide associations who are striving to bring educational standards up to a point

where all professional bodies and their teaching methods are integrated. No-one

should work without insurance. There are still grey areas in this country and

basically any beauty therapist can go on a course and say they are a

reflexologist :( Personally I frown on that, but I long ago gave up my shield

and charger to go and fight the good fight.) I have found through experience

that whilst I am fully booked with a waiting list because my reflexology makes a

difference to people, others, including those who have done a diploma or a

college course (arghhh), get very few return

   clients.



   The true test of the efficacy of a particular modality is your return

clientele. If what you are doing works and is bringing your clients and

referrals from them back again (I have clients on my books for 5 years plus as

new problems surface for them) surely that is the true test.



   I personally also find that people want to know. People are intelligent on the

whole. They have read about other modalities. The most common question I ask is

can you have Reiki while having reflexology. (Though I don't do Reiki) People

are becoming aware that there are other "tools" available to them, especially in

this country when the NHS has failed so many people through waiting times and

ineffective or too many pills. People throughout the world are taking back

control. They are seeking out our services from a desire to be more natural;

they don't want to keep popping pills. They read up things on the internet. They

ask what I can do for them. What does this mean. What does a certain colour

mean. Personally I would feel inadequate as a therapist, remembering i am taking

their money, if I could not answer their questions with at least the basics.



   As for me, when I learned reflexology no-one explained to me about how the

body's energy (which is fluid) can fluctuate. Nobody explained to me that as a

therapist I could suffer "transference" . Very shortly after starting out I

would know what the person's problem is when they entered the room because I

felt it in my body. I was open and receiving and was not taught how to block

that and be grounded and ready to give my session clearly. It was only on a

workshop that I was allowed to feel my own body energy (aura) fluctuating and

when I went to a linking workshop, which doubled up with a work shop by Moss

Arnold on meridians, that lots of pennies dropped. We shouldn't even be taught

reflexology without going into body energy, how emotions affect us, and the

transference of energy between two people. In my opinion therefore all these

other modalities should come before traditional reflexology, not afterwards!



   To have no fear is very liberating. I have worked with every contraindication

listed in every reflexology book I have found, with 100% success. Not through

stubborn-ness, but because the opportunities came up and I went with the flow.

My fear is that as therapists if we don't go with the flow (of life, and all its

many shapes and colours reflected in the more "holistic" aspects of reflexology,

including what the feet show me at every level not just physical), then we will

become stagnated. Then we become mediocre, and cannot bend with our clients.



   The science of reflexology is there for all to study. If you want to be rigid

in its application and that works for you - great. There is so much benefit to

be had. If you want to go beyond the original concept - and there are many who

have and have had a struggle getting their work accepted - then that should be

fine too. Then it becomes an art.



   Give a little in your practice .... the rewards are indescribable.

   With love



   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Evelyn McCormack

   To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

   Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:24 PM

   Subject: Re: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



   Dear Kevin,



   I read your post and couldn't agree with you more.



   Reflexology will never die, it is only growing and despite all the people out

there trying to damage our reputation and our PROFESSION, nothing but human

warmth with a healing and loving spirit would be able to substitute us for

machines or electrodes.



   No machine will be able never to substitute the warmth of a hug, a human hug.

No lawyer and no journalist will be able never to destroy people's hearts.

Reflexology is stepping forward, I am glad that Moshe brought all those

outstanding news from Australia. I was so happy yesterday when I read his

post!!! Everyone of us should cheer what's happening now with Reflexology.



   I've learnt on your books. When my youngest son was a newborn, somebody handed

me The Complete Parents' guide to Reflexology.



   I am afraid of those Reflexologists who claim having founded Reflexology and

try to seed on the ignorance of other people with no more backup than a monetary

and commercial objective. There is a very famous Reflexologist out there who

claims having that credit....of having founded Reflexology. Not you. I am afraid

of those Reflexologists who invent stories, lie or steal techniques from other

people and immediately create and make a trademark with a bombastic name as if

it was their invention or discovery. I am afraid of these people's low level of

ethics, so low that they will never be able to understand what the word ethics

mean. I know who am I talking about.



   Therefore, I had a problem in matching the same person whose books I read with

passion and seeded so much for the welfare of Reflexology as you did with the

person who attacked without a reason other sources of knowledge that YES can

enrich Reflexology as a Therapy.



   Best wishes



   Lov,



   Eve



   ----- Original Message ----

   From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

   To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

   Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2007 4:41:30 PM

   Subject: [Reflexology Community ] Re: I am shocked..... too



   I started this and I don't want to continue a flame war on this group. So

after a good

   night's sleep let me tell you what is bothering me.



   We are not a profession.. . yet. We may have the trimming and look the part

but we are still

   in infancy. Why do I say that?



   1) We hire a sociologist 27 years ago to help us figure out how to help

reflexology

   become a profession. Her major point was to become a profession you need a

systematic

   body of knowledge. If you don't you have a weak profession which usually has

little

   prestige and low pay.



   2) That same year we published The Complete Guide to Foot Reflexology. It was

one of the

   hardest struggle Barbara and I ever faced. But we felt compelled to do since

even during

   the brief time we saw the field changing. And the field of reflexology was yet

to be

   documented. It was all verbal tradition.



   Publishing that book wasn't something I wanted to do because coming from an

academic

   family. I never what was involved and the sacrifice it meant. But it was

worse.



   No publisher would take us so we had to self publish until Prentice Hall saw

the popularity

   of reflexology and "found" us. they can originally returned "our baby"

unopened.



   But we had at least documented this traditional healing modality. And what

ever happens

   to change the field there is a record.



   3) The hard part was naming techniques and defining things that hadn't really

been

   defined before. Issues went on for weeks and at times months. "Holding hand"

and

   "working hand" was a real struggle. Whether to use the traditional description

of

   techniques such as "thumb walking" became a major debate..



   And then trying to describe the techniques was mind boggling. Barbara was

really the

   brains behind this. Instead of 28 different techniques she simplified them

into three

   techniques plus desserts. It was a revolution. Suddenly more people could do

reflexology

   because it had been simplified.



   4) And then just as we put out Hand and Foot Reflexology: A Self Help Guide we

were put

   out of business in the city of Albuquerque. We weren't qualified to practice

reflexology

   because we didn't have a massage license. We would have had to gone to a local

massage

   school to take training in our own book to be qualified.



   It took 5 very long years to reverse that decision. Then only a couple of

years later it was

   attempted again. It took us 31 meeting to get an exemption from the massage

law.



   The definition was absolutely critical. It had to put us outside the massage

law and not

   infringe on other professions.



   So want is the point of all this. You won't get rich being a writer but you

will preserve

   something even if it is only a little piece. And you will help generations to

come.



   Labeling and defining your practices is absolutely critical. There is no real

room for error.



   And don't look to me if you can't come up with a name for this what -do -you

-call it field.

   That's you job.



   And yes I am concern about the impact of each and every little addition to the

field of

   reflexology. I feel we have earned the right to challenge the additions to

this field and

   push the inventors to document the efficacy, safety and mechanism of action as

well as

   the origin of what they are proposing.



   I am concerned that we may not exist as "reflexologists" in the next few

years, There are

   people out there testing reflexology for the neurotransmitters involved. There

are real

   time ECG's and EKG's tests going on to measure heart rate function and

brain-waves. Will

   we be obsolete before too long because we failed to become a systematic body

of

   knowledge.



   And I am concerned about the latest fad. Strong professions have peer review

to guard

   against the latest fad. We don't. And so the what-do-call- it field is a

danger.



   Our fight has never ended. And it will never end if you love this craft as

passionately we

   are.



   So if you really believe this is a necessary and important addition to the

field of reflexology

   be ready to defend it and don't think we won't notice if it is being slipped

in through the

   back door.



   Until we all embrace our systematic body of knowledge and all become builders

in that

   body of knowledge we are still infants and easy prey to those who see the

potential of

   reflexology monetarily without the heart we all have.



   Kevin Kunz



   BTW Barbara and I had never been writes before The Complete Guide to Foot

Reflexology.

   Barbara learned to illustrate to do that book. And the best part is we had no

money. But

   that is another story.



   --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, learnecm <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

   >

   >

   >

   > Hello Evelyn,

   >

   > After many hours of thinking on your reply to Kevin as well as how I

   > replied back to you. I must admit I seemed to myself a tad harsh.

   >

   > But, after a good night's sleep and again thinking more about your

   > posting, I decided to FINISH what I started to say on the last

   > posting.

   >

   > Before I get too upset at you wanting to TREAT PATIENTS I should have

   > asked where you received YOUR medical degree. Maybe you are an MD.

   > I hae met some wholistic practitioners who are. And some who

   > actually promote Reflexology. For example Doctor Susa Wong MD on

   > Aboutus.com as well as many who have co published bookds on

   > reflexology. So that was unfair of me to assume you were not a

   > medical doctor. If you are, my apologies, you do have the RIGHT to

   > prescribe, diagnose and treat for specific conditions, however

   > looking at the ethical side of things, even medical doctors should

   > not claim to cure everyone they meet.

   >

   > One more note on the fact that you feel your "patients", should not

   > have to told what you are doing and that they come to you with trust

   > and assurance that'whatever' you do is OK and acceptable . . .

   > If a medical doctor tells you that a certain course of treatment is

   > OK and that you should take this little pink pill and you will feel

   > better - what would you do????? I always question my medical

   > doctor, research the treatment (ask questions) before making an

   > informed decision about my treatment. Don't you?

   > If a doctor tells a person, you will need to remove the limb. Don't

   > you want more information before undergoing such radical treatment?

   > I would want to know a heck of lot more about the surgery and if

   > something else could be done and about whether the one practicing

   > (the surgeon in this case) is skilled at what he/she does, not to

   > mention if they are ethical in their beliefs.

   > This example is REAL diabetics all over the world are told that

   > because of foot ulcers they need to "remove the limb" yet in medical

   > facilities around the world the medical community is using hyperberic

   > chambers to treat diabetics and "saving their limbs" Wow. The ones

   > that get this treatment had to SEARCH for it and let the WORLD know

   > it is out there. Just like You and I - we need to let everyone know

   > what REFLEXLOGY is. Don't cloud it with our own slant on things some

   > do. Keep it Pure and if you want to "include" other ideals in your

   > treatment of clients, or "patients" do so as not to risk the

   > physical, mental, OR moral well being of the ones you so dearly want

   > to help and love.

   >

   > Please understand this is not a personal attack on anyone, just how I

   > so deeply believe. We do live in a democratic contry - at least I

   > do, and freedom of belief and speech should never besquashed. But as

   > a medical doctor does have limitations so are all of us.

   >

   > I have much more I would like to say, but I will stop here.

   >

   > Take care and let's live, love and learn,

   >

   > Deb

   >

   > --- In reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com, Evelyn McCormack

   > <evelyn10267@ > wrote:

   > >

   > > Dear Kevin,

   > >

   > > Reading your words, I felt shocked too.

   > > I feel compelled to answer to your text.

   > >

   > > I'll insert my answers between your lines.

   > >

   > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

   > about Personality

   > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

   > >

   > > I agree, all of them were very intelligent.

   > >

   > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

   > what they are doing for

   > > their clientele. Labeling is not a matter of choice it is a

   > requirement for the protection of

   > > the consumer.Deeper than the legal question to me is the ethical

   > question. Is client fully and fairly

   > > informed as to the nature of the services?That is a law in at least

   > one state.

   > >

   > > I have patients, perhaps you have a clientele.. I have never

   > considered my patients as "clients", because I am a Therapist. Have

   > you ever heard a Doctor in Medicine talk about his clientele? I'd

   > never go to one who speaks like that. Is it perhaps a cultural

   > difference between you and me? I was born and grew up in Austria, I

   > live now in the UK. I have never heard a practitioner talk about his

   > or her "clientele" but about his or her patients. Perhaps terms can

   > be different from place to place..

   > >

   > > I see not ethical question at all. Nobody is hiding anything from

   > my patients. People who have given me the privilege of their

   > confidence and trust must be respected. I don't provide a "service to

   > my clients", I provide a treatment to my patient.

   > >

   > >

   > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

   > who really felt resentful

   > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

   > upon" with the "latest weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner

   > had just learned.

   > >

   > > Who better than you know that there are many kinds of

   > practitioners? Does it surprise you? Because of one your friend met

   > you are putting an entire group inside the same sac? Come on, Kevin,

   > there are good and responsible and there are unprofessional and

   > charlatans everywhere. With a wide range of variants in the middle.

   > >

   > > As a matter of fact, haven't you ever heard a respectable Doctor of

   > Medicine who experiments upon his patient with the latest article he

   > has read or the latest word in equipment he has purchased?

   > >

   > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

   > a problem with

   > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

   > attached. They are

   > > dangerous.

   > >

   > > Who told you that we give personality assessments? This affirmation

   > shows your total ignorance of the subject you are talking about and

   > attacking without knowledge!!

   > >

   > > You talk about research but you haven't asked questions about how

   > exactly do we apply our knowledge to Reflexology. You attack, attack

   > and attack without giving others the opportunity to explain what is

   > all about.

   > >

   > > I invite you to attend one of Avi Grrenberg or Moshce Kruchik

   > seminars and perhaps you can have an idea of what do they teach and

   > why have they become so famous and respected in the world of

   > Reflexology. ..

   > >

   > > As for dangerous, I feel that it is more dangerous to me the person

   > who fancies himself of knowing about something that he really

   > doesn't, underestimating the real knowledge and skills of those who

   > do.

   > >

   > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

   > stable. They are not necessarily

   > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

   > simplest thing. Planning

   > > with someone's head could backfire.

   > >

   > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

   > Reflexology based on? Where is

   > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

   > contraindications? What are the safety

   > > rules?

   > >

   > > Nobody will be able to answer the question by the simple fact that

   > nobody before has talked about Personality Reflexology. Only you. You

   > are the first who talked about Personality Reflexology, so I invite

   > you to explain to all the members of this respectable forum what is

   > that exactly.

   > >

   > > You are the first one who use this combination of terms. And if you

   > ask my opinion, it is wrong. I don't need labels for everything as

   > if Reflexology was comparable to a bottle of whisky....

   > >

   > > Reflexology is a Therapy based on a theory and we, Reflexologists

   > around the world are trying to demonstrate that our theory is valid,

   > to understand more and more how does it work and how deep it can

   > get.

   > >

   > > Fortunately, Reflexology has many facets, not only one. Reflexology

   > has many sources of knowledge, not only one based on

   > suppositions. ...What kind of contraindications can have a good word,

   > a good dialog with your patient, a good advice given on time....?

   > What are you talking about......?

   > >

   > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that..

   > Not only to the clientele

   > > but to this profession as well.

   > >

   > > Fortunately, not all the Reflexologists think like you do.

   > >

   > > More and more of us around the world are introducing to the

   > practice of Reflexology what you consider dangerous. People like Avi,

   > Chris or Moshe are not teaching us the way to criminality. The three

   > of them are lovely people who devoted themselves to Reflexology and

   > on the contrary, they have made and they are making a great

   > contribution to Reflexology with the knowledge they have. If you

   > suggest that what they teach is dangerous, so poor we.....! I should

   > be a dangerous Therapist too.

   > >

   > > It's a pity that you didn't get properly assessed before you stated

   > such an offence.. With such a statement, you are seriously offending

   > the dignity of lots of Reflexologists around the world.

   > >

   > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

   > It is a personality

   > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

   > >

   > > I'll disappoint you once again. I'll give you that false argument,

   > as you define it. I believe that it is based on holism.

   > >

   > > Kevin, please take a look at the world out there and see what is

   > religious fundamentalism achieving with their arguments of "absolute

   > true".

   > > Just intollerance. ....

   > >

   > > So start throwing your bricks.

   > > I threw the ones you've put on my hands.

   > >

   > > Kevin Kunz

   > > Evelyn McCormack

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > > ----- Original Message ----

   > > From: footc1 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

   > > To: reflexologycommunit y@yahoogroups. com

   > > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 9:07:29 PM

   > > Subject: [Reflexology Community ] I am shocked

   > >

   > > There have been some very intelligent and well thought out posts

   > about Personality

   > > Reflexology and Ear Reflexology.

   > >

   > > But I am shocked at the idea that a professional would not define

   > what they are doing for

   > > their clientele.

   > > That is a law in at least one state.

   > >

   > > The word profession is synonymous with discipline. I had a friend

   > who really felt resentful

   > > when she went for a massage and as she put it was "experimented

   > upon" with the "latest

   > > weekend seminar techniques" the practitioner had just learned.

   > >

   > > I have another problem. I used to work in mental health and I have

   > a problem with

   > > personality assessments based on findings without any research

   > attached. They are

   > > dangerous.

   > >

   > > It would be nice if all your clientele was well balanced and

   > stable. They are not necessarily

   > > balanced nor stable. People can be effected in many ways by the

   > simplest thing. Planning

   > > with someone's head could backfire.

   > >

   > > Nobody yet has answered my question. What is Personality

   > Reflexology based on? Where is

   > > the research? Where is it's history? What are the

   > contraindications? What are the safety

   > > rules?

   > >

   > > Or is this a parlor game like palmistry? A dangerous one at that.

   > Not only to the clientele

   > > but to this profession as well.

   > >

   > > And don't give me that false argument that this is based on holism.

   > It is a personality

   > > assessment based on physical characteristics of the feet.

   > >

   > > So start throwing your bricks.

   > >

   > > Kevin Kunz

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

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