Thank you! Go Jenny and Jim!

In response to Joseph's question, Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride is very
much against recreational drugs, even cannibis. She says drugs
(recreational AND pharmaceutical) can have a devastating effect on a
person's gut flora. In vulnerable individuals, a first time
recreational drug use can tip the person into psychosis. I am sure
many of us know of people who did recreational drugs and are now
mentally ill. I personally know of two schizophrenic adults (very
sick) who did recreational drug use when younger which is attributed
to making them ill. Of course after the first psychotic episode, they
get prescribed more toxic drugs (in the form of anti-psychotics) which
just spirals them deeper and deeper into mental illness.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIFU853TrI&feature=related
>
> A
>
>
> On 2012-01-31, at 8:17 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>
>> I mentioned the diet earlier in this thread: GAPS diet developed by
>> Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. She says autism and all other mental
>> illnesses are related as they all start in the gut. If you heal the
>> gut the mental illnesses go away. Her book is called "Gut and
>> Psychology Syndrome (GAPS™) - Natural treatment for autism, ADHD/ADD,
>> dyslexia, dyspraxia, depression and schizophrenia".
>>
>> Her website is www.gaps.me
>>
>> You can google her name and find quite a few podcasts of hers.
>>
>> Here are a couple of her interviews:
>>
>> http://www.oneradionetwork.com/?s=%22gut+and+psychology+syndrome%22&x=0&y=0
>>
>> I didn't think to reply to the raw paleo forum thread about autism
>> because I thought it was an old thread.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>> What dietary things are you talking about?
>>>
>>> I think you wold reach a wider audience if you were to reply to the forum
link that I gave you.
>>>
>>> Here is something to think about. A Rife machine
>>> http://hiddenrecovery.blogspot.com/2008/11/strep-and-rife-machines.html
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:04 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I have seen that video and it is amazing however I find it very
>>>> sad at the same time. Sad, because this girl could have gotten her
>>>> dearest wish, which she says in the video, to be normal, if her
>>>> parents weren't such brainwashed victims of the medical industry who
>>>> told them that there is no cure for autism and have only therapy to
>>>> offer. She could have been 100% normal if they had done a dietary cure
>>>> with her.
>>>>
>>>> This video was discussed by other members of the yahoo forum that I
>>>> was on (who are also recovering their autistic kids) and they all had
>>>> the same exact thoughts that I did. One of our members even posted on
>>>> Carly's Facebook page about how diet could help her heal. But we all
>>>> know nothing will be done. Her parents will continue feeding her crap
>>>> and she will also keep eating crap herself. Even though she has made
>>>> amazing progress in compensating for her disability, she will never be
>>>> truly well. (Unless of course she and her parents awaken to the
>>>> truth).
>>>>
>>>> On our forum, people have breakthroughs all the time with their kids,
>>>> usually after being on the diet for some time or taking a food out. We
>>>> have Moms reporting that their child hugged them for the first time,
>>>> spoken their first words, was able to verbalize a coherent thought, or
>>>> stopping a self-destructive or repetitive behavior. Here are some
>>>> videos one Mom put together. I wish I had done videos of my daughter
>>>> when she was at her worst but unfortunately I did not so I have no
>>>> "before" videos.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAse3Apfjo8&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfzQx2ZAnow&feature=related
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Joseph Montana
>>>> <josephhmontana@...> wrote:
>>>>> I'm currently downloading more.
>>>>> SCD 08/20/2011
>>>>> Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
>>>>> Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88
>>>>>
>>>>> SCD carbs minus peanuts, cashews, beans, dairy, and any foods that need
cooking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything raw, consumed at room/environment temperature. Raw meats,
organs, etc. No processed anything, only whole foods.
>>>>>
>>>>> In pursuit of perfect health, thriving... Animal style ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Monica <monicaz@...>
>>>>> Sender: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:23:47
>>>>> To: <rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rawpaleodiet] Physical and mental addiction to regular food?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lya,
>>>>> Did you watch that video report?? Amazing!
>>>>> http://www.wimp.com/autisticgirl/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:11 PM, lya kotys <lyakotys@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried reading the entire autism thread on the raw paleo forum, but it
was
>>>>>> way too long. I did get some of the gist of it. I am a mother of a child
>>>>>> who was diagnosed with autism who is recovering quite nicely. This is not
>>>>>> just my experience. I belong to another yahoo support group of parents
who
>>>>>> have already recovered or are in the process of recovering their kids
from
>>>>>> autism, ADD, immune disorders such as asthma, eczema and other mental
>>>>>> disorders. I don't understand why there is even a question in the raw
Paleo
>>>>>> community that these illnesses cannot be cured. The brain is a physical
>>>>>> organ like any other organ in the body and will malfunction if it is
toxic
>>>>>> or malnourished. We have been mislead by the field of Psychiatry into
>>>>>> thinking the brain somehow is completely apart from the rest of the body
>>>>>> and is only influenced by psychological experiences (or worse genetics!).
>>>>>> However it was French psychiatrist Phillipe Pinel, the father of modern
>>>>>> psychiatry, who himself stated, “The primary seat of insanity is the
region
>>>>>> of the stomach and intestines.” Autism has been and can be cured by
anyone
>>>>>> who cares to think out of the box, do their research and do the work
>>>>>> required to make it happen. I would expect conventional thinkers to doubt
>>>>>> this to be so. I am amazed that there is even doubt in the raw Paleo
>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
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I used marijuana and also mushrooms. I realize now that they're both bad.

That's why people are so shady when it comes to drugs.

Wanting to alter your psyche using illegal street drugs really messes up the
brains consciousness.

Let's resume regular conversation about ancient ways of eating, living, etc.

I personally enjoy basketball for competition. Eating raw paleo is great for
competitive situations.

since starting I always feel the "fight or flight" response. That's natural
right?
SCD 08/20/2011
Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88

SCD carbs minus peanuts, cashews, beans, dairy, and any foods that need cooking.

Everything raw, consumed at room/environment temperature. Raw meats, organs,
etc. No processed anything, only whole foods.

In pursuit of perfect health, thriving... Animal style ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: lya kotys <lyakotys@...>
Sender: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:05:19
To: <rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [rawpaleodiet] Physical and mental addiction to regular food?

Thank you! Go Jenny and Jim!

In response to Joseph's question, Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride is very
much against recreational drugs, even cannibis. She says drugs
(recreational AND pharmaceutical) can have a devastating effect on a
person's gut flora. In vulnerable individuals, a first time
recreational drug use can tip the person into psychosis. I am sure
many of us know of people who did recreational drugs and are now
mentally ill. I personally know of two schizophrenic adults (very
sick) who did recreational drug use when younger which is attributed
to making them ill. Of course after the first psychotic episode, they
get prescribed more toxic drugs (in the form of anti-psychotics) which
just spirals them deeper and deeper into mental illness.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIFU853TrI&feature=related
>
> A
>
>
> On 2012-01-31, at 8:17 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>
>> I mentioned the diet earlier in this thread: GAPS diet developed by
>> Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. She says autism and all other mental
>> illnesses are related as they all start in the gut. If you heal the
>> gut the mental illnesses go away. Her book is called "Gut and
>> Psychology Syndrome (GAPS™) - Natural treatment for autism, ADHD/ADD,
>> dyslexia, dyspraxia, depression and schizophrenia".
>>
>> Her website is www.gaps.me
>>
>> You can google her name and find quite a few podcasts of hers.
>>
>> Here are a couple of her interviews:
>>
>> http://www.oneradionetwork.com/?s=%22gut+and+psychology+syndrome%22&x=0&y=0
>>
>> I didn't think to reply to the raw paleo forum thread about autism
>> because I thought it was an old thread.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>> What dietary things are you talking about?
>>>
>>> I think you wold reach a wider audience if you were to reply to the forum
link that I gave you.
>>>
>>> Here is something to think about. A Rife machine
>>> http://hiddenrecovery.blogspot.com/2008/11/strep-and-rife-machines.html
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:04 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I have seen that video and it is amazing however I find it very
>>>> sad at the same time. Sad, because this girl could have gotten her
>>>> dearest wish, which she says in the video, to be normal, if her
>>>> parents weren't such brainwashed victims of the medical industry who
>>>> told them that there is no cure for autism and have only therapy to
>>>> offer. She could have been 100% normal if they had done a dietary cure
>>>> with her.
>>>>
>>>> This video was discussed by other members of the yahoo forum that I
>>>> was on (who are also recovering their autistic kids) and they all had
>>>> the same exact thoughts that I did. One of our members even posted on
>>>> Carly's Facebook page about how diet could help her heal. But we all
>>>> know nothing will be done. Her parents will continue feeding her crap
>>>> and she will also keep eating crap herself. Even though she has made
>>>> amazing progress in compensating for her disability, she will never be
>>>> truly well. (Unless of course she and her parents awaken to the
>>>> truth).
>>>>
>>>> On our forum, people have breakthroughs all the time with their kids,
>>>> usually after being on the diet for some time or taking a food out. We
>>>> have Moms reporting that their child hugged them for the first time,
>>>> spoken their first words, was able to verbalize a coherent thought, or
>>>> stopping a self-destructive or repetitive behavior. Here are some
>>>> videos one Mom put together. I wish I had done videos of my daughter
>>>> when she was at her worst but unfortunately I did not so I have no
>>>> "before" videos.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAse3Apfjo8&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfzQx2ZAnow&feature=related
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Joseph Montana
>>>> <josephhmontana@...> wrote:
>>>>> I'm currently downloading more.
>>>>> SCD 08/20/2011
>>>>> Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
>>>>> Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88
>>>>>
>>>>> SCD carbs minus peanuts, cashews, beans, dairy, and any foods that need
cooking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything raw, consumed at room/environment temperature. Raw meats,
organs, etc. No processed anything, only whole foods.
>>>>>
>>>>> In pursuit of perfect health, thriving... Animal style ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Monica <monicaz@...>
>>>>> Sender: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:23:47
>>>>> To: <rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rawpaleodiet] Physical and mental addiction to regular food?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lya,
>>>>> Did you watch that video report?? Amazing!
>>>>> http://www.wimp.com/autisticgirl/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:11 PM, lya kotys <lyakotys@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried reading the entire autism thread on the raw paleo forum, but it
was
>>>>>> way too long. I did get some of the gist of it. I am a mother of a child
>>>>>> who was diagnosed with autism who is recovering quite nicely. This is not
>>>>>> just my experience. I belong to another yahoo support group of parents
who
>>>>>> have already recovered or are in the process of recovering their kids
from
>>>>>> autism, ADD, immune disorders such as asthma, eczema and other mental
>>>>>> disorders. I don't understand why there is even a question in the raw
Paleo
>>>>>> community that these illnesses cannot be cured. The brain is a physical
>>>>>> organ like any other organ in the body and will malfunction if it is
toxic
>>>>>> or malnourished. We have been mislead by the field of Psychiatry into
>>>>>> thinking the brain somehow is completely apart from the rest of the body
>>>>>> and is only influenced by psychological experiences (or worse genetics!).
>>>>>> However it was French psychiatrist Phillipe Pinel, the father of modern
>>>>>> psychiatry, who himself stated, “The primary seat of insanity is the
region
>>>>>> of the stomach and intestines.” Autism has been and can be cured by
anyone
>>>>>> who cares to think out of the box, do their research and do the work
>>>>>> required to make it happen. I would expect conventional thinkers to doubt
>>>>>> this to be so. I am amazed that there is even doubt in the raw Paleo
>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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SCD 08/20/2011
Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88

SCD carbs minus peanuts, cashews, beans, dairy, and any foods that need cooking.

Everything raw, consumed at room/environment temperature. Raw meats, organs,
etc. No processed anything, only whole foods.

In pursuit of perfect health, thriving... Animal style ;)

Pretty much everyone I know used RD a teenagers. It was simply a phase. I know
no one who fits in the category to which you insist, any more than alcohol,
which is a lot worse on the gut flora. If I drink (which I haven't for years)
(nor have I consumed RD since teenagehood) it takes me days to recover. One of
the pro race drivers (maybe Mario Andretti) said that he will not drink anything
alcoholic for 6 days before a race. I could easily tell when one of my co-pilots
had been imbibing recently, they would be stupid, lazy and impulsive, like a
child who hadn't slept. Not to mention the disgusting aroma and breath if it was
the night before.

Ron Paul is against making these things illegal, even though it is not something
he participates in. He tells the story about the idiots that made marijuana
illegal and their reasoning for same. It is a pathetic story.

His response to making raw milk illegal is the same. His father owned a dairy,
so he worked there as a child and through college. So he knows all about what
governments will do if you give them the power.

A


On 2012-02-01, at 5:05 AM, lya kotys wrote:

> Thank you! Go Jenny and Jim!
>
> In response to Joseph's question, Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride is very
> much against recreational drugs, even cannibis. She says drugs
> (recreational AND pharmaceutical) can have a devastating effect on a
> person's gut flora. In vulnerable individuals, a first time
> recreational drug use can tip the person into psychosis. I am sure
> many of us know of people who did recreational drugs and are now
> mentally ill. I personally know of two schizophrenic adults (very
> sick) who did recreational drug use when younger which is attributed
> to making them ill. Of course after the first psychotic episode, they
> get prescribed more toxic drugs (in the form of anti-psychotics) which
> just spirals them deeper and deeper into mental illness.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIFU853TrI&feature=related
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:17 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>
>>> I mentioned the diet earlier in this thread: GAPS diet developed by
>>> Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. She says autism and all other mental
>>> illnesses are related as they all start in the gut. If you heal the
>>> gut the mental illnesses go away. Her book is called "Gut and
>>> Psychology Syndrome (GAPS™) - Natural treatment for autism, ADHD/ADD,
>>> dyslexia, dyspraxia, depression and schizophrenia".
>>>
>>> Her website is www.gaps.me
>>>
>>> You can google her name and find quite a few podcasts of hers.
>>>
>>> Here are a couple of her interviews:
>>>
>>> http://www.oneradionetwork.com/?s=%22gut+and+psychology+syndrome%22&x=0&y=0
>>>
>>> I didn't think to reply to the raw paleo forum thread about autism
>>> because I thought it was an old thread.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>>> What dietary things are you talking about?
>>>>
>>>> I think you wold reach a wider audience if you were to reply to the forum
link that I gave you.
>>>>
>>>> Here is something to think about. A Rife machine
>>>> http://hiddenrecovery.blogspot.com/2008/11/strep-and-rife-machines.html
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:04 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have seen that video and it is amazing however I find it very
>>>>> sad at the same time. Sad, because this girl could have gotten her
>>>>> dearest wish, which she says in the video, to be normal, if her
>>>>> parents weren't such brainwashed victims of the medical industry who
>>>>> told them that there is no cure for autism and have only therapy to
>>>>> offer. She could have been 100% normal if they had done a dietary cure
>>>>> with her.
>>>>>
>>>>> This video was discussed by other members of the yahoo forum that I
>>>>> was on (who are also recovering their autistic kids) and they all had
>>>>> the same exact thoughts that I did. One of our members even posted on
>>>>> Carly's Facebook page about how diet could help her heal. But we all
>>>>> know nothing will be done. Her parents will continue feeding her crap
>>>>> and she will also keep eating crap herself. Even though she has made
>>>>> amazing progress in compensating for her disability, she will never be
>>>>> truly well. (Unless of course she and her parents awaken to the
>>>>> truth).
>>>>>
>>>>> On our forum, people have breakthroughs all the time with their kids,
>>>>> usually after being on the diet for some time or taking a food out. We
>>>>> have Moms reporting that their child hugged them for the first time,
>>>>> spoken their first words, was able to verbalize a coherent thought, or
>>>>> stopping a self-destructive or repetitive behavior. Here are some
>>>>> videos one Mom put together. I wish I had done videos of my daughter
>>>>> when she was at her worst but unfortunately I did not so I have no
>>>>> "before" videos.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAse3Apfjo8&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfzQx2ZAnow&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Joseph Montana
>>>>> <josephhmontana@...> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm currently downloading more.
>>>>>> SCD 08/20/2011
>>>>>> Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
>>>>>> Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SCD carbs minus peanuts, cashews, beans, dairy, and any foods that need
cooking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything raw, consumed at room/environment temperature. Raw meats,
organs, etc. No processed anything, only whole foods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In pursuit of perfect health, thriving... Animal style ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Monica <monicaz@...>
>>>>>> Sender: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:23:47
>>>>>> To: <rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rawpaleodiet] Physical and mental addiction to regular
food?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lya,
>>>>>> Did you watch that video report?? Amazing!
>>>>>> http://www.wimp.com/autisticgirl/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:11 PM, lya kotys <lyakotys@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried reading the entire autism thread on the raw paleo forum, but it
was
>>>>>>> way too long. I did get some of the gist of it. I am a mother of a child
>>>>>>> who was diagnosed with autism who is recovering quite nicely. This is
not
>>>>>>> just my experience. I belong to another yahoo support group of parents
who
>>>>>>> have already recovered or are in the process of recovering their kids
from
>>>>>>> autism, ADD, immune disorders such as asthma, eczema and other mental
>>>>>>> disorders. I don't understand why there is even a question in the raw
Paleo
>>>>>>> community that these illnesses cannot be cured. The brain is a physical
>>>>>>> organ like any other organ in the body and will malfunction if it is
toxic
>>>>>>> or malnourished. We have been mislead by the field of Psychiatry into
>>>>>>> thinking the brain somehow is completely apart from the rest of the body
>>>>>>> and is only influenced by psychological experiences (or worse
genetics!).
>>>>>>> However it was French psychiatrist Phillipe Pinel, the father of modern
>>>>>>> psychiatry, who himself stated, “The primary seat of insanity is the
region
>>>>>>> of the stomach and intestines.” Autism has been and can be cured by
anyone
>>>>>>> who cares to think out of the box, do their research and do the work
>>>>>>> required to make it happen. I would expect conventional thinkers to
doubt
>>>>>>> this to be so. I am amazed that there is even doubt in the raw Paleo
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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I don't think that Dr. Natasha means that everyone will have problems
with recreational drugs. She means only the people who are vulnerable,
basically people with damaged gut flora, or in other words a leaky
gut. It's the same with almost anything, like vaccines for example.
Some children get fully vaccinated with seemingly no ill effects.
Another child can get vaccinated and slip into autism. Or take pollen.
Some people have terrible allergies to pollen. Some, pollen doesn't
bother at all. Again the people with allergies are the ones with
damaged gut flora. Some people can't eat any gluten. Others eat it all
their lives with no seemingly specific ill effects. We are all
different. Some people have a stronger constitution than others. One
thing that can tip the scale for one, may be quite innocuous to
another.

Last week my daughter and I went swimming with some friends in an
indoor chlorinated pool. I knew it was probably a bad idea because she
has had bad reactions to chlorine pools before, but I thought she was
healthier now. I was wrong. She got very sick from it! How can all
these people and children belong to the gym with the indoor pool and
go swimming all the time and not get sick, while some others like my
daughter cannot handle it?

Anyway, I have two examples from my life of two people who are
schizophrenic now which was in some way related to RD taking. My
father's second wife's daughter was a heroine addict and now she has
full blown schizophrenia and cannot work and barely takes care of
herself. She had all her children taken away by the CPA. Her ex
husband was just as much of a user as she was and he is not sick. The
other example is my cousin who is institutionalized for schizophrenia.
He did not do heroin, but he took a whole bunch of partying drugs like
cocaine and others.

You and your friends are lucky, you had strong constitutions, with
good gut flora and you could handle a little RD. Some others are not
so lucky.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:38 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
> Pretty much everyone I know used RD a teenagers. It was simply a phase. I know
no one who fits in the category to which you insist, any more than alcohol,
which is a lot worse on the gut flora. If I drink (which I haven't for years)
(nor have I consumed RD since teenagehood) it takes me days to recover. One of
the pro race drivers (maybe Mario Andretti) said that he will not drink anything
alcoholic for 6 days before a race. I could easily tell when one of my co-pilots
had been imbibing recently, they would be stupid, lazy and impulsive, like a
child who hadn't slept. Not to mention the disgusting aroma and breath if it was
the night before.
>
> Ron Paul is against making these things illegal, even though it is not
something he participates in. He tells the story about the idiots that made
marijuana illegal and their reasoning for same. It is a pathetic story.
>
> His response to making raw milk illegal is the same. His father owned a dairy,
so he worked there as a child and through college. So he knows all about what
governments will do if you give them the power.
>
> A
>
>
> On 2012-02-01, at 5:05 AM, lya kotys wrote:
>
>> Thank you! Go Jenny and Jim!
>>
>> In response to Joseph's question, Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride is very
>> much against recreational drugs, even cannibis. She says drugs
>> (recreational AND pharmaceutical) can have a devastating effect on a
>> person's gut flora. In vulnerable individuals, a first time
>> recreational drug use can tip the person into psychosis. I am sure
>> many of us know of people who did recreational drugs and are now
>> mentally ill. I personally know of two schizophrenic adults (very
>> sick) who did recreational drug use when younger which is attributed
>> to making them ill. Of course after the first psychotic episode, they
>> get prescribed more toxic drugs (in the form of anti-psychotics) which
>> just spirals them deeper and deeper into mental illness.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIFU853TrI&feature=related
>>>
>>> A
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:17 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>
>>>> I mentioned the diet earlier in this thread: GAPS diet developed by
>>>> Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. She says autism and all other mental
>>>> illnesses are related as they all start in the gut. If you heal the
>>>> gut the mental illnesses go away. Her book is called "Gut and
>>>> Psychology Syndrome (GAPS™) - Natural treatment for autism, ADHD/ADD,
>>>> dyslexia, dyspraxia, depression and schizophrenia".
>>>>
>>>> Her website is www.gaps.me
>>>>
>>>> You can google her name and find quite a few podcasts of hers.
>>>>
>>>> Here are a couple of her interviews:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oneradionetwork.com/?s=%22gut+and+psychology+syndrome%22&x=0&y=0
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think to reply to the raw paleo forum thread about autism
>>>> because I thought it was an old thread.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>>>> What dietary things are you talking about?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you wold reach a wider audience if you were to reply to the forum
link that I gave you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is something to think about. A Rife machine
>>>>> http://hiddenrecovery.blogspot.com/2008/11/strep-and-rife-machines.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:04 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I have seen that video and it is amazing however I find it very
>>>>>> sad at the same time. Sad, because this girl could have gotten her
>>>>>> dearest wish, which she says in the video, to be normal, if her
>>>>>> parents weren't such brainwashed victims of the medical industry who
>>>>>> told them that there is no cure for autism and have only therapy to
>>>>>> offer. She could have been 100% normal if they had done a dietary cure
>>>>>> with her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This video was discussed by other members of the yahoo forum that I
>>>>>> was on (who are also recovering their autistic kids) and they all had
>>>>>> the same exact thoughts that I did. One of our members even posted on
>>>>>> Carly's Facebook page about how diet could help her heal. But we all
>>>>>> know nothing will be done. Her parents will continue feeding her crap
>>>>>> and she will also keep eating crap herself. Even though she has made
>>>>>> amazing progress in compensating for her disability, she will never be
>>>>>> truly well. (Unless of course she and her parents awaken to the
>>>>>> truth).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On our forum, people have breakthroughs all the time with their kids,
>>>>>> usually after being on the diet for some time or taking a food out. We
>>>>>> have Moms reporting that their child hugged them for the first time,
>>>>>> spoken their first words, was able to verbalize a coherent thought, or
>>>>>> stopping a self-destructive or repetitive behavior. Here are some
>>>>>> videos one Mom put together. I wish I had done videos of my daughter
>>>>>> when she was at her worst but unfortunately I did not so I have no
>>>>>> "before" videos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAse3Apfjo8&feature=related
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfzQx2ZAnow&feature=related
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Joseph Montana
>>>>>> <josephhmontana@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm currently downloading more.
>>>>>>> SCD 08/20/2011
>>>>>>> Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
>>>>>>> Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SCD carbs minus peanuts, cashews, beans, dairy, and any foods that need
cooking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything raw, consumed at room/environment temperature. Raw meats,
organs, etc. No processed anything, only whole foods.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In pursuit of perfect health, thriving... Animal style ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Monica <monicaz@...>
>>>>>>> Sender: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:23:47
>>>>>>> To: <rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rawpaleodiet] Physical and mental addiction to regular
food?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lya,
>>>>>>> Did you watch that video report?? Amazing!
>>>>>>> http://www.wimp.com/autisticgirl/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:11 PM, lya kotys <lyakotys@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried reading the entire autism thread on the raw paleo forum, but it
was
>>>>>>>> way too long. I did get some of the gist of it. I am a mother of a
child
>>>>>>>> who was diagnosed with autism who is recovering quite nicely. This is
not
>>>>>>>> just my experience. I belong to another yahoo support group of parents
who
>>>>>>>> have already recovered or are in the process of recovering their kids
from
>>>>>>>> autism, ADD, immune disorders such as asthma, eczema and other mental
>>>>>>>> disorders. I don't understand why there is even a question in the raw
Paleo
>>>>>>>> community that these illnesses cannot be cured. The brain is a physical
>>>>>>>> organ like any other organ in the body and will malfunction if it is
toxic
>>>>>>>> or malnourished. We have been mislead by the field of Psychiatry into
>>>>>>>> thinking the brain somehow is completely apart from the rest of the
body
>>>>>>>> and is only influenced by psychological experiences (or worse
genetics!).
>>>>>>>> However it was French psychiatrist Phillipe Pinel, the father of modern
>>>>>>>> psychiatry, who himself stated, “The primary seat of insanity is the
region
>>>>>>>> of the stomach and intestines.” Autism has been and can be cured by
anyone
>>>>>>>> who cares to think out of the box, do their research and do the work
>>>>>>>> required to make it happen. I would expect conventional thinkers to
doubt
>>>>>>>> this to be so. I am amazed that there is even doubt in the raw Paleo
>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>
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Thanks for the better explanation. That makes more sense. That is true with all
foods and other sensory stimuli and there are explanations for why people have
issues which may contribute to all types of illnesses etc. Ayurveda classifies
these things in a very nice way.

To me it's like the story about the guy who is roaring down the highway at
breakneck speed when he comes to a bend in the road. He is going too fast to go
around the corner, so he hits the brakes. The brakes just happened to fail then,
because he hit them so hard and they were weak anyways because the garage had
not tightened the bleeder valve when they finished the brake job.

So he flies off the road, through the guardrail into the ditch, is launched
through the air and hits a tree which kills him instantly.

The cop comes along sees the crumpled car and blames it all on the tree,
speeding car, etc. This is ultimately true, but it is not the real source of the
problem and since it is not investigated further, the mechanic continues with
his poor work habits, till some more people die.

Modern Allopathic medicine with it's addiction to reductionism (reducing health
problems down to minuscule levels and then treating symptoms) is a major part of
the problem and is just like the Cop. It is such an ideal system for making
money, that no one in it has an incentive to improve things or change the
paradyme. It's all based on patents, believe it or not.

You can't really blame doctors or drug companies also because parents chose
convenient, over processed foods because they are too lazy or addicted to
running around working etc to have the time to prepare proper foods for
themselves or their offspring. Also parents are addicted to placating children
who say they want more sugar/salt fried etc foods so since they like praise they
pass it out. Also TV and computers are used as babysitters and this makes
children vulnerable to advertising. This is part of the root of the problem.

A

On 2012-02-01, at 10:36 AM, lya kotys wrote:

> I don't think that Dr. Natasha means that everyone will have problems
> with recreational drugs. She means only the people who are vulnerable,
> basically people with damaged gut flora, or in other words a leaky
> gut. It's the same with almost anything, like vaccines for example.
> Some children get fully vaccinated with seemingly no ill effects.
> Another child can get vaccinated and slip into autism. Or take pollen.
> Some people have terrible allergies to pollen. Some, pollen doesn't
> bother at all. Again the people with allergies are the ones with
> damaged gut flora. Some people can't eat any gluten. Others eat it all
> their lives with no seemingly specific ill effects. We are all
> different. Some people have a stronger constitution than others. One
> thing that can tip the scale for one, may be quite innocuous to
> another.
>
> Last week my daughter and I went swimming with some friends in an
> indoor chlorinated pool. I knew it was probably a bad idea because she
> has had bad reactions to chlorine pools before, but I thought she was
> healthier now. I was wrong. She got very sick from it! How can all
> these people and children belong to the gym with the indoor pool and
> go swimming all the time and not get sick, while some others like my
> daughter cannot handle it?
>
> Anyway, I have two examples from my life of two people who are
> schizophrenic now which was in some way related to RD taking. My
> father's second wife's daughter was a heroine addict and now she has
> full blown schizophrenia and cannot work and barely takes care of
> herself. She had all her children taken away by the CPA. Her ex
> husband was just as much of a user as she was and he is not sick. The
> other example is my cousin who is institutionalized for schizophrenia.
> He did not do heroin, but he took a whole bunch of partying drugs like
> cocaine and others.
>
> You and your friends are lucky, you had strong constitutions, with
> good gut flora and you could handle a little RD. Some others are not
> so lucky.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:38 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>> Pretty much everyone I know used RD a teenagers. It was simply a phase. I
know no one who fits in the category to which you insist, any more than alcohol,
which is a lot worse on the gut flora. If I drink (which I haven't for years)
(nor have I consumed RD since teenagehood) it takes me days to recover. One of
the pro race drivers (maybe Mario Andretti) said that he will not drink anything
alcoholic for 6 days before a race. I could easily tell when one of my co-pilots
had been imbibing recently, they would be stupid, lazy and impulsive, like a
child who hadn't slept. Not to mention the disgusting aroma and breath if it was
the night before.
>>
>> Ron Paul is against making these things illegal, even though it is not
something he participates in. He tells the story about the idiots that made
marijuana illegal and their reasoning for same. It is a pathetic story.
>>
>> His response to making raw milk illegal is the same. His father owned a
dairy, so he worked there as a child and through college. So he knows all about
what governments will do if you give them the power.
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>> On 2012-02-01, at 5:05 AM, lya kotys wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you! Go Jenny and Jim!
>>>
>>> In response to Joseph's question, Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride is very
>>> much against recreational drugs, even cannibis. She says drugs
>>> (recreational AND pharmaceutical) can have a devastating effect on a
>>> person's gut flora. In vulnerable individuals, a first time
>>> recreational drug use can tip the person into psychosis. I am sure
>>> many of us know of people who did recreational drugs and are now
>>> mentally ill. I personally know of two schizophrenic adults (very
>>> sick) who did recreational drug use when younger which is attributed
>>> to making them ill. Of course after the first psychotic episode, they
>>> get prescribed more toxic drugs (in the form of anti-psychotics) which
>>> just spirals them deeper and deeper into mental illness.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIFU853TrI&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:17 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I mentioned the diet earlier in this thread: GAPS diet developed by
>>>>> Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. She says autism and all other mental
>>>>> illnesses are related as they all start in the gut. If you heal the
>>>>> gut the mental illnesses go away. Her book is called "Gut and
>>>>> Psychology Syndrome (GAPS™) - Natural treatment for autism, ADHD/ADD,
>>>>> dyslexia, dyspraxia, depression and schizophrenia".
>>>>>
>>>>> Her website is www.gaps.me
>>>>>
>>>>> You can google her name and find quite a few podcasts of hers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a couple of her interviews:
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.oneradionetwork.com/?s=%22gut+and+psychology+syndrome%22&x=0&y=0
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't think to reply to the raw paleo forum thread about autism
>>>>> because I thought it was an old thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>>>>> What dietary things are you talking about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you wold reach a wider audience if you were to reply to the forum
link that I gave you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is something to think about. A Rife machine
>>>>>> http://hiddenrecovery.blogspot.com/2008/11/strep-and-rife-machines.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:04 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I have seen that video and it is amazing however I find it very
>>>>>>> sad at the same time. Sad, because this girl could have gotten her
>>>>>>> dearest wish, which she says in the video, to be normal, if her
>>>>>>> parents weren't such brainwashed victims of the medical industry who
>>>>>>> told them that there is no cure for autism and have only therapy to
>>>>>>> offer. She could have been 100% normal if they had done a dietary cure
>>>>>>> with her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This video was discussed by other members of the yahoo forum that I
>>>>>>> was on (who are also recovering their autistic kids) and they all had
>>>>>>> the same exact thoughts that I did. One of our members even posted on
>>>>>>> Carly's Facebook page about how diet could help her heal. But we all
>>>>>>> know nothing will be done. Her parents will continue feeding her crap
>>>>>>> and she will also keep eating crap herself. Even though she has made
>>>>>>> amazing progress in compensating for her disability, she will never be
>>>>>>> truly well. (Unless of course she and her parents awaken to the
>>>>>>> truth).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On our forum, people have breakthroughs all the time with their kids,
>>>>>>> usually after being on the diet for some time or taking a food out. We
>>>>>>> have Moms reporting that their child hugged them for the first time,
>>>>>>> spoken their first words, was able to verbalize a coherent thought, or
>>>>>>> stopping a self-destructive or repetitive behavior. Here are some
>>>>>>> videos one Mom put together. I wish I had done videos of my daughter
>>>>>>> when she was at her worst but unfortunately I did not so I have no
>>>>>>> "before" videos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAse3Apfjo8&feature=related
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfzQx2ZAnow&feature=related
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Joseph Montana
>>>>>>> <josephhmontana@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm currently downloading more.
>>>>>>>> SCD 08/20/2011
>>>>>>>> Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
>>>>>>>> Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SCD carbs minus peanuts, cashews, beans, dairy, and any foods that need
cooking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything raw, consumed at room/environment temperature. Raw meats,
organs, etc. No processed anything, only whole foods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In pursuit of perfect health, thriving... Animal style ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Monica <monicaz@...>
>>>>>>>> Sender: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:23:47
>>>>>>>> To: <rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rawpaleodiet] Physical and mental addiction to regular
food?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lya,
>>>>>>>> Did you watch that video report?? Amazing!
>>>>>>>> http://www.wimp.com/autisticgirl/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:11 PM, lya kotys <lyakotys@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried reading the entire autism thread on the raw paleo forum, but
it was
>>>>>>>>> way too long. I did get some of the gist of it. I am a mother of a
child
>>>>>>>>> who was diagnosed with autism who is recovering quite nicely. This is
not
>>>>>>>>> just my experience. I belong to another yahoo support group of parents
who
>>>>>>>>> have already recovered or are in the process of recovering their kids
from
>>>>>>>>> autism, ADD, immune disorders such as asthma, eczema and other mental
>>>>>>>>> disorders. I don't understand why there is even a question in the raw
Paleo
>>>>>>>>> community that these illnesses cannot be cured. The brain is a
physical
>>>>>>>>> organ like any other organ in the body and will malfunction if it is
toxic
>>>>>>>>> or malnourished. We have been mislead by the field of Psychiatry into
>>>>>>>>> thinking the brain somehow is completely apart from the rest of the
body
>>>>>>>>> and is only influenced by psychological experiences (or worse
genetics!).
>>>>>>>>> However it was French psychiatrist Phillipe Pinel, the father of
modern
>>>>>>>>> psychiatry, who himself stated, “The primary seat of insanity is the
region
>>>>>>>>> of the stomach and intestines.” Autism has been and can be cured by
anyone
>>>>>>>>> who cares to think out of the box, do their research and do the work
>>>>>>>>> required to make it happen. I would expect conventional thinkers to
doubt
>>>>>>>>> this to be so. I am amazed that there is even doubt in the raw Paleo
>>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>
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Heroin can hardly be classified as a recreational drug, and neither can cocaine.
They were both created by the pharmaceutical companies and were once sold as
over the counter drugs and were part of other patent medicine recipes. Freud was
supposedly a big proponent of cocaine.

If you ever read Keith Richards, (guitar player for the Rolling Stones)
autobiography,

http://www.amazon.ca/Life-Keith-Richards/dp/031603438X
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/oct/31/keith-richards-life-rolling-stones

it is amazing how he and his buds took immense quantities of every conceivable
drug, as an eye opener, right till eye closing time and lived to tell the story.

He even brags that he always knew when to stop, sort of like cats and catnip. He
says that this is why he as able to float around of this stuff for so long.

A friend of mine calls him and his fellow band members "The Freshly Exumed"
because they all look like death warmed over, rich, homeless, street people.
When Keith plays the part of Barnacle ? in the "Pirates Of The Caribbean" where
he suddenly peels himself off the side of the vessel, he looks like he didn't
really need any makeup. LOL

Ya gotta wonder how he made it to being a grandfather and into his seventies and
still working.

Al

On 2012-02-01, at 10:36 AM, lya kotys wrote:

> I don't think that Dr. Natasha means that everyone will have problems
> with recreational drugs. She means only the people who are vulnerable,
> basically people with damaged gut flora, or in other words a leaky
> gut. It's the same with almost anything, like vaccines for example.
> Some children get fully vaccinated with seemingly no ill effects.
> Another child can get vaccinated and slip into autism. Or take pollen.
> Some people have terrible allergies to pollen. Some, pollen doesn't
> bother at all. Again the people with allergies are the ones with
> damaged gut flora. Some people can't eat any gluten. Others eat it all
> their lives with no seemingly specific ill effects. We are all
> different. Some people have a stronger constitution than others. One
> thing that can tip the scale for one, may be quite innocuous to
> another.
>
> Last week my daughter and I went swimming with some friends in an
> indoor chlorinated pool. I knew it was probably a bad idea because she
> has had bad reactions to chlorine pools before, but I thought she was
> healthier now. I was wrong. She got very sick from it! How can all
> these people and children belong to the gym with the indoor pool and
> go swimming all the time and not get sick, while some others like my
> daughter cannot handle it?
>
> Anyway, I have two examples from my life of two people who are
> schizophrenic now which was in some way related to RD taking. My
> father's second wife's daughter was a heroine addict and now she has
> full blown schizophrenia and cannot work and barely takes care of
> herself. She had all her children taken away by the CPA. Her ex
> husband was just as much of a user as she was and he is not sick. The
> other example is my cousin who is institutionalized for schizophrenia.
> He did not do heroin, but he took a whole bunch of partying drugs like
> cocaine and others.
>
> You and your friends are lucky, you had strong constitutions, with
> good gut flora and you could handle a little RD. Some others are not
> so lucky.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:38 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>> Pretty much everyone I know used RD a teenagers. It was simply a phase. I
know no one who fits in the category to which you insist, any more than alcohol,
which is a lot worse on the gut flora. If I drink (which I haven't for years)
(nor have I consumed RD since teenagehood) it takes me days to recover. One of
the pro race drivers (maybe Mario Andretti) said that he will not drink anything
alcoholic for 6 days before a race. I could easily tell when one of my co-pilots
had been imbibing recently, they would be stupid, lazy and impulsive, like a
child who hadn't slept. Not to mention the disgusting aroma and breath if it was
the night before.
>>
>> Ron Paul is against making these things illegal, even though it is not
something he participates in. He tells the story about the idiots that made
marijuana illegal and their reasoning for same. It is a pathetic story.
>>
>> His response to making raw milk illegal is the same. His father owned a
dairy, so he worked there as a child and through college. So he knows all about
what governments will do if you give them the power.
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>> On 2012-02-01, at 5:05 AM, lya kotys wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you! Go Jenny and Jim!
>>>
>>> In response to Joseph's question, Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride is very
>>> much against recreational drugs, even cannibis. She says drugs
>>> (recreational AND pharmaceutical) can have a devastating effect on a
>>> person's gut flora. In vulnerable individuals, a first time
>>> recreational drug use can tip the person into psychosis. I am sure
>>> many of us know of people who did recreational drugs and are now
>>> mentally ill. I personally know of two schizophrenic adults (very
>>> sick) who did recreational drug use when younger which is attributed
>>> to making them ill. Of course after the first psychotic episode, they
>>> get prescribed more toxic drugs (in the form of anti-psychotics) which
>>> just spirals them deeper and deeper into mental illness.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIFU853TrI&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:17 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I mentioned the diet earlier in this thread: GAPS diet developed by
>>>>> Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. She says autism and all other mental
>>>>> illnesses are related as they all start in the gut. If you heal the
>>>>> gut the mental illnesses go away. Her book is called "Gut and
>>>>> Psychology Syndrome (GAPS™) - Natural treatment for autism, ADHD/ADD,
>>>>> dyslexia, dyspraxia, depression and schizophrenia".
>>>>>
>>>>> Her website is www.gaps.me
>>>>>
>>>>> You can google her name and find quite a few podcasts of hers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a couple of her interviews:
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.oneradionetwork.com/?s=%22gut+and+psychology+syndrome%22&x=0&y=0
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't think to reply to the raw paleo forum thread about autism
>>>>> because I thought it was an old thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>>>>> What dietary things are you talking about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you wold reach a wider audience if you were to reply to the forum
link that I gave you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is something to think about. A Rife machine
>>>>>> http://hiddenrecovery.blogspot.com/2008/11/strep-and-rife-machines.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:04 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I have seen that video and it is amazing however I find it very
>>>>>>> sad at the same time. Sad, because this girl could have gotten her
>>>>>>> dearest wish, which she says in the video, to be normal, if her
>>>>>>> parents weren't such brainwashed victims of the medical industry who
>>>>>>> told them that there is no cure for autism and have only therapy to
>>>>>>> offer. She could have been 100% normal if they had done a dietary cure
>>>>>>> with her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This video was discussed by other members of the yahoo forum that I
>>>>>>> was on (who are also recovering their autistic kids) and they all had
>>>>>>> the same exact thoughts that I did. One of our members even posted on
>>>>>>> Carly's Facebook page about how diet could help her heal. But we all
>>>>>>> know nothing will be done. Her parents will continue feeding her crap
>>>>>>> and she will also keep eating crap herself. Even though she has made
>>>>>>> amazing progress in compensating for her disability, she will never be
>>>>>>> truly well. (Unless of course she and her parents awaken to the
>>>>>>> truth).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On our forum, people have breakthroughs all the time with their kids,
>>>>>>> usually after being on the diet for some time or taking a food out. We
>>>>>>> have Moms reporting that their child hugged them for the first time,
>>>>>>> spoken their first words, was able to verbalize a coherent thought, or
>>>>>>> stopping a self-destructive or repetitive behavior. Here are some
>>>>>>> videos one Mom put together. I wish I had done videos of my daughter
>>>>>>> when she was at her worst but unfortunately I did not so I have no
>>>>>>> "before" videos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAse3Apfjo8&feature=related
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfzQx2ZAnow&feature=related
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Joseph Montana
>>>>>>> <josephhmontana@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm currently downloading more.
>>>>>>>> SCD 08/20/2011
>>>>>>>> Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
>>>>>>>> Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SCD carbs minus peanuts, cashews, beans, dairy, and any foods that need
cooking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything raw, consumed at room/environment temperature. Raw meats,
organs, etc. No processed anything, only whole foods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In pursuit of perfect health, thriving... Animal style ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Monica <monicaz@...>
>>>>>>>> Sender: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:23:47
>>>>>>>> To: <rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rawpaleodiet] Physical and mental addiction to regular
food?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lya,
>>>>>>>> Did you watch that video report?? Amazing!
>>>>>>>> http://www.wimp.com/autisticgirl/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:11 PM, lya kotys <lyakotys@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried reading the entire autism thread on the raw paleo forum, but
it was
>>>>>>>>> way too long. I did get some of the gist of it. I am a mother of a
child
>>>>>>>>> who was diagnosed with autism who is recovering quite nicely. This is
not
>>>>>>>>> just my experience. I belong to another yahoo support group of parents
who
>>>>>>>>> have already recovered or are in the process of recovering their kids
from
>>>>>>>>> autism, ADD, immune disorders such as asthma, eczema and other mental
>>>>>>>>> disorders. I don't understand why there is even a question in the raw
Paleo
>>>>>>>>> community that these illnesses cannot be cured. The brain is a
physical
>>>>>>>>> organ like any other organ in the body and will malfunction if it is
toxic
>>>>>>>>> or malnourished. We have been mislead by the field of Psychiatry into
>>>>>>>>> thinking the brain somehow is completely apart from the rest of the
body
>>>>>>>>> and is only influenced by psychological experiences (or worse
genetics!).
>>>>>>>>> However it was French psychiatrist Phillipe Pinel, the father of
modern
>>>>>>>>> psychiatry, who himself stated, “The primary seat of insanity is the
region
>>>>>>>>> of the stomach and intestines.” Autism has been and can be cured by
anyone
>>>>>>>>> who cares to think out of the box, do their research and do the work
>>>>>>>>> required to make it happen. I would expect conventional thinkers to
doubt
>>>>>>>>> this to be so. I am amazed that there is even doubt in the raw Paleo
>>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Thanks for the better explanation. That makes more sense. That is true with all
foods and other sensory stimuli and there are explanations for why people have
issues which may contribute to all types of illnesses etc. Ayurveda classifies
these things in a very nice way.

To me it's like the story about the guy who is roaring down the highway at
breakneck speed when he comes to a bend in the road. He is going too fast to go
around the corner, so he hits the brakes. The brakes just happened to fail then,
because he hit them so hard and they were weak anyways because the garage had
not tightened the bleeder valve when they finished the brake job.

So he flies off the road, through the guardrail into the ditch, is launched
through the air and hits a tree which kills him instantly.

The cop comes along sees the crumpled car and blames it all on the tree,
speeding car, etc. This is ultimately true, but it is not the real source of the
problem and since it is not investigated further, the mechanic continues with
his poor work habits, till some more people die.

Modern Allopathic medicine with it's addiction to reductionism (reducing health
problems down to minuscule levels and then treating symptoms) is a major part of
the problem and is just like the Cop. It is such an ideal system for making
money, that no one in it has an incentive to improve things or change the
paradyme. It's all based on patents, believe it or not.

You can't really blame doctors or drug companies also because parents chose
convenient, over processed foods because they are too lazy or addicted to
running around working etc to have the time to prepare proper foods for
themselves or their offspring. Also parents are addicted to placating children
who say they want more sugar/salt fried etc foods so since they like praise they
pass it out. Also TV and computers are used as babysitters and this makes
children vulnerable to advertising. This is part of the root of the problem.

A

On 2012-02-01, at 10:36 AM, lya kotys wrote:

> I don't think that Dr. Natasha means that everyone will have problems
> with recreational drugs. She means only the people who are vulnerable,
> basically people with damaged gut flora, or in other words a leaky
> gut. It's the same with almost anything, like vaccines for example.
> Some children get fully vaccinated with seemingly no ill effects.
> Another child can get vaccinated and slip into autism. Or take pollen.
> Some people have terrible allergies to pollen. Some, pollen doesn't
> bother at all. Again the people with allergies are the ones with
> damaged gut flora. Some people can't eat any gluten. Others eat it all
> their lives with no seemingly specific ill effects. We are all
> different. Some people have a stronger constitution than others. One
> thing that can tip the scale for one, may be quite innocuous to
> another.
>
> Last week my daughter and I went swimming with some friends in an
> indoor chlorinated pool. I knew it was probably a bad idea because she
> has had bad reactions to chlorine pools before, but I thought she was
> healthier now. I was wrong. She got very sick from it! How can all
> these people and children belong to the gym with the indoor pool and
> go swimming all the time and not get sick, while some others like my
> daughter cannot handle it?
>
> Anyway, I have two examples from my life of two people who are
> schizophrenic now which was in some way related to RD taking. My
> father's second wife's daughter was a heroine addict and now she has
> full blown schizophrenia and cannot work and barely takes care of
> herself. She had all her children taken away by the CPA. Her ex
> husband was just as much of a user as she was and he is not sick. The
> other example is my cousin who is institutionalized for schizophrenia.
> He did not do heroin, but he took a whole bunch of partying drugs like
> cocaine and others.
>
> You and your friends are lucky, you had strong constitutions, with
> good gut flora and you could handle a little RD. Some others are not
> so lucky.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:38 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>> Pretty much everyone I know used RD a teenagers. It was simply a phase. I
know no one who fits in the category to which you insist, any more than alcohol,
which is a lot worse on the gut flora. If I drink (which I haven't for years)
(nor have I consumed RD since teenagehood) it takes me days to recover. One of
the pro race drivers (maybe Mario Andretti) said that he will not drink anything
alcoholic for 6 days before a race. I could easily tell when one of my co-pilots
had been imbibing recently, they would be stupid, lazy and impulsive, like a
child who hadn't slept. Not to mention the disgusting aroma and breath if it was
the night before.
>>
>> Ron Paul is against making these things illegal, even though it is not
something he participates in. He tells the story about the idiots that made
marijuana illegal and their reasoning for same. It is a pathetic story.
>>
>> His response to making raw milk illegal is the same. His father owned a
dairy, so he worked there as a child and through college. So he knows all about
what governments will do if you give them the power.
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>> On 2012-02-01, at 5:05 AM, lya kotys wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you! Go Jenny and Jim!
>>>
>>> In response to Joseph's question, Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride is very
>>> much against recreational drugs, even cannibis. She says drugs
>>> (recreational AND pharmaceutical) can have a devastating effect on a
>>> person's gut flora. In vulnerable individuals, a first time
>>> recreational drug use can tip the person into psychosis. I am sure
>>> many of us know of people who did recreational drugs and are now
>>> mentally ill. I personally know of two schizophrenic adults (very
>>> sick) who did recreational drug use when younger which is attributed
>>> to making them ill. Of course after the first psychotic episode, they
>>> get prescribed more toxic drugs (in the form of anti-psychotics) which
>>> just spirals them deeper and deeper into mental illness.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIFU853TrI&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:17 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I mentioned the diet earlier in this thread: GAPS diet developed by
>>>>> Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. She says autism and all other mental
>>>>> illnesses are related as they all start in the gut. If you heal the
>>>>> gut the mental illnesses go away. Her book is called "Gut and
>>>>> Psychology Syndrome (GAPS™) - Natural treatment for autism, ADHD/ADD,
>>>>> dyslexia, dyspraxia, depression and schizophrenia".
>>>>>
>>>>> Her website is www.gaps.me
>>>>>
>>>>> You can google her name and find quite a few podcasts of hers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a couple of her interviews:
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.oneradionetwork.com/?s=%22gut+and+psychology+syndrome%22&x=0&y=0
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't think to reply to the raw paleo forum thread about autism
>>>>> because I thought it was an old thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>>>>>> What dietary things are you talking about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you wold reach a wider audience if you were to reply to the forum
link that I gave you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is something to think about. A Rife machine
>>>>>> http://hiddenrecovery.blogspot.com/2008/11/strep-and-rife-machines.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2012-01-31, at 8:04 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I have seen that video and it is amazing however I find it very
>>>>>>> sad at the same time. Sad, because this girl could have gotten her
>>>>>>> dearest wish, which she says in the video, to be normal, if her
>>>>>>> parents weren't such brainwashed victims of the medical industry who
>>>>>>> told them that there is no cure for autism and have only therapy to
>>>>>>> offer. She could have been 100% normal if they had done a dietary cure
>>>>>>> with her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This video was discussed by other members of the yahoo forum that I
>>>>>>> was on (who are also recovering their autistic kids) and they all had
>>>>>>> the same exact thoughts that I did. One of our members even posted on
>>>>>>> Carly's Facebook page about how diet could help her heal. But we all
>>>>>>> know nothing will be done. Her parents will continue feeding her crap
>>>>>>> and she will also keep eating crap herself. Even though she has made
>>>>>>> amazing progress in compensating for her disability, she will never be
>>>>>>> truly well. (Unless of course she and her parents awaken to the
>>>>>>> truth).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On our forum, people have breakthroughs all the time with their kids,
>>>>>>> usually after being on the diet for some time or taking a food out. We
>>>>>>> have Moms reporting that their child hugged them for the first time,
>>>>>>> spoken their first words, was able to verbalize a coherent thought, or
>>>>>>> stopping a self-destructive or repetitive behavior. Here are some
>>>>>>> videos one Mom put together. I wish I had done videos of my daughter
>>>>>>> when she was at her worst but unfortunately I did not so I have no
>>>>>>> "before" videos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAse3Apfjo8&feature=related
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfzQx2ZAnow&feature=related
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Joseph Montana
>>>>>>> <josephhmontana@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm currently downloading more.
>>>>>>>> SCD 08/20/2011
>>>>>>>> Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
>>>>>>>> Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SCD carbs minus peanuts, cashews, beans, dairy, and any foods that need
cooking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything raw, consumed at room/environment temperature. Raw meats,
organs, etc. No processed anything, only whole foods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In pursuit of perfect health, thriving... Animal style ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Monica <monicaz@...>
>>>>>>>> Sender: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:23:47
>>>>>>>> To: <rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rawpaleodiet] Physical and mental addiction to regular
food?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lya,
>>>>>>>> Did you watch that video report?? Amazing!
>>>>>>>> http://www.wimp.com/autisticgirl/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:11 PM, lya kotys <lyakotys@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried reading the entire autism thread on the raw paleo forum, but
it was
>>>>>>>>> way too long. I did get some of the gist of it. I am a mother of a
child
>>>>>>>>> who was diagnosed with autism who is recovering quite nicely. This is
not
>>>>>>>>> just my experience. I belong to another yahoo support group of parents
who
>>>>>>>>> have already recovered or are in the process of recovering their kids
from
>>>>>>>>> autism, ADD, immune disorders such as asthma, eczema and other mental
>>>>>>>>> disorders. I don't understand why there is even a question in the raw
Paleo
>>>>>>>>> community that these illnesses cannot be cured. The brain is a
physical
>>>>>>>>> organ like any other organ in the body and will malfunction if it is
toxic
>>>>>>>>> or malnourished. We have been mislead by the field of Psychiatry into
>>>>>>>>> thinking the brain somehow is completely apart from the rest of the
body
>>>>>>>>> and is only influenced by psychological experiences (or worse
genetics!).
>>>>>>>>> However it was French psychiatrist Phillipe Pinel, the father of
modern
>>>>>>>>> psychiatry, who himself stated, “The primary seat of insanity is the
region
>>>>>>>>> of the stomach and intestines.” Autism has been and can be cured by
anyone
>>>>>>>>> who cares to think out of the box, do their research and do the work
>>>>>>>>> required to make it happen. I would expect conventional thinkers to
doubt
>>>>>>>>> this to be so. I am amazed that there is even doubt in the raw Paleo
>>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Curious what others think about the hypothesized mechanism if rife machine, i.e.
antibacterial, vis the aajonus vonderplanitz theory that bacteria (unless
man-made) are not only not the cause if illness but in fact helpful and
necessary?

Teresa

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, anfcanada <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>
> What dietary things are you talking about?
>
> I think you wold reach a wider audience if you were to reply to the forum link
that I gave you.
>
> Here is something to think about. A Rife machine
> http://hiddenrecovery.blogspot.com/2008/11/strep-and-rife-machines.html
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 2012-01-31, at 8:04 PM, lya kotys wrote:
>
> > Yes, I have seen that video and it is amazing however I find it very
> > sad at th

Have any of you tried this? I have a hard time eating very much raw liver at
once, but I was thinking that running it through my greenstar and taking a shot
of it might be effective. I know the Gerson protocol used to call for raw calf
liver juice, but he used a special juicer to press the juice out (I guess that
could be done with greenstar?). Think it would it make my juicer smell like
liver forever?

Heterocyclic amines and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons ,  types of
heat-created toxin, are found not only in cooked meats but are also found in
cigarette-smoke and car-exhaust fumes, so smoking is very unhealthy:-

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats

Geoff

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Montana" <josephhmontana@...>
wrote:
>
> I aagree with you. If I smoke cigarettes just to balance the good (diet) with
bad (toxic environment, in moderatiion) is ok?
> SCD 08/20/2011
> Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
> Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88

It has already been shown that exposure to bacteria helps boost one's mood:-



http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/66840.php

Anyway, it explains why rawpalaeos who eat "high-meat" gain such huge benefits
as regards increased levels of concentration/alertness/energy.

(For some strange reason, I only ever feel the benefits of "high-meat"  the day
after consuming it, and, if I consume it every day for weeks, eventually, I stop
getting the relevant benefits. Maybe the latter is because my body eventually
"adapts" to the bacteria in some way.

Geoff

There's a very simple reason. It is extraordinarily difficult to believe that
people with severe brain-damage can suddenly lose their disability through silly
New-Age methods re removing mercury or vaccines etc. . I don't discount the
notion that some autistic people might "recover", though. After all, there is a
fake  autism "epidemic" caused by people insisting on having their children
falsely "diagnosed" as being supposedly "autistic" simply because more
research-money has been allocated to autism and beacuse autism is seen as
"trendy"- so those misdiagnosed children with minimal issues would no doubt
benefit from extra bacteria etc. Those with genuine severe brain-damage would be
highly unlikely to benefit in any sizeable way.


http://www.science20.com/rogue_neuron/blog/autism_epidemic_please_stop_insanity

http://mathildasweirdworldweblog.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/autism-part-one-debunk\
ing-the-autism-epidemic-with-actual-evidence/

http://tioedong.xanga.com/746924828/no-autism-epidemic-just-more-people-called-a\
utistic/

Geoff

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, lya kotys <lyakotys@...> wrote:
. I am amazed that there is even doubt in the raw Paleo
> community.

Geoff,
In this "fake" epidemic, why is it that one person who won a court case in the
US was a Doctor and one of the panellists on the talk show with Jenny Mccarty is
a Doctor with a child with autism. I can't imagine that a person such as this,
knowing what they know, would fake something in order to get free medical and
otherwise care. Typically Doctors in the US are very well paid (higher than UK
by a long stretch) Also Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrie would hardly be looking
for a handout from the government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIFU853TrI
These people had children who were quite fine prior to vaccination and within 24
hours of the vaccination, their children showed the classic symptoms of autism.
If you watch all 5 vids in the set that I linked, you will see the children
acting abnormally. Then after doing the diet thing they returned to normal.

The rate of 1 in 91 as opposed to 1 in 10,000 is hardly caused by improved
reporting or changing of names.

The likelihood that someone (more than a select few) would label a child as
anything other than normal is not likely to be related to getting any funding
for special ed as some of the nimwits on your links suggested. They sounded like
burned out Doctors, sometimes referred to as dinosaurs who remember the good ole
days. Every profession has them. One of the links was for a site called "Hey
Doc". Wow that sounds like a bunch of real pros.

Mercury is well known as an anti-bacterial agent and was used in the past as
such
(as was silver and thus silver colloidal which is simply silver that is put into
solution much like silver plating and similar to putting iron into solution by
adding filings to water.)
and as such would be a very likely candidate for suspecting or implicating it in
destroying gut flora. This would be particularly likely in a child that happened
to be "at risk".

In other words, everyone has challenges that bring them close to having what
would be some sort of disease.

If a child who for whatever reason is predisposed to having digestive issues, is
exposed to a toxin which would finish off what immunity strength they have, then
it is easy to assume that they would fall off the precipice into illness which
in their case would manifest as autism.

If mercury is not poisonous, why did the American Dental Association finally
admit as such as one of the last countries in the world to do so? They were
worried about legal issues as in being sued into obscurity. There are a large #
of studies done outside the US, which definitely make the link and in court
cases, the ADA succeeded in having these studies discredited, as they were't
American studies and therefore were not admissible as evidence.

Other countries in the world pay for the removal of mercury.

The whole reason for the ADA's existence, is that it's precursor, back in the
mid-nineteenth century disallowed dentists to use mercury because of it's well
known poisonous nature.

The technique is very old, dating back to Chinese origins. The original
dentist's association said "no", so a band of dentists set up their awn
association in defiance, so they could allow it. It's  marvellous profit centre.
Cheap and easy, so the dentists share of the fee can be increased before getting
to the point of too expensive for anyone to pay.

Problem is that it led to one of the highest rates of suicide in the
professional world for dentists, as well as a host of health problems, for both
the dentists and their assistants. My dentist told me her assistants could not
get pregnant, try as they may until they went into another line of work.

Some of the other components in these vaccine concoctions are (car engine)
antifreeze and aluminum. Aluminum has a well known link to Ahlzeimers and even
7000 year old Ayurveda suggests that it causes brain damage.

Anti-freeze shows up periodically in the papers when some idiot drinks it
thinking it will get them high. This causes their brain to swell and then a
weird painful death. I realize the quantities of these substances are small but
for a new-born, small is relative.

The links you sent me were clearly from Doctor sites that have a financial as
well as professional bent, that depends on pharmaceuticals for 100% of their
income. If you spent your professional life passing out drugs as a panacea for
everything and earned the dubious record of being the leading cause of death in
the US, according to a (late 1990's) study conducted in hospitals in the US, of
iIatrogenic illness. The study shows a low ball result as it does not include
out-of-hospital deaths.

The GAPS diet that someone else here posted and the interview on Patrick
Timpone's radio show with the British Doctor, Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride that
authored it,
http://oneradionetwork.com/?s=mcbride+%22gut+flora%22&x=0&y=0
clearly show that link and it essentially follows what has been experienced by
you and others re: gut flora and paleo diet, although the author is only half
way to the raw point of view. She recommends as raw as possible but doesn't
cross over the 'brain barrier' of saying "all raw"

Your wording of "severe brain damage" is interesting as it presupposes some
great irreversible damage being inflicted, like a hammer blow. (You may not have
intended that, so I am not attacking, just using it to build on the point the
author was making)

The experience of Dr NC McBride shows that it is not permanent damage, as is
more of a serious blockage of digestive power that cuts off nutrition, which can
be reversed by repopulating good bacteria, so indeed there is not damage, just
malfunction almost like being mentally frozen in time.

She says that the GAPS diet repopulates the gut with flora that "nanotize" by
consuming and thus breaking down the mercury and aluminum and safely disposing
of it.

Long term repercussions are in the mental development being stalled during the
problematic stage. This warrants an accelerated learning phase that parents must
initiate and follow once the digestive issues are dealt with.

I am guessing here, because I have not read the book, but have listened to the
Doctor's explanation. I have the book on order.

The issue that the people bring out, is that whereas when I was a child there
were about ten vaccines given to children now there are 38 in the US, given
within a few months of birth. Some of these things are diseases that exist only
in the gutters of Calcutta.

The mothers including Jenny say essentially, it is too many, too soon. These
vaccinations are not a matter of choice, the government mandates them as I
understand or your child cannot go to school or you would be held up for public
ridicule and possible legal percussions.

The vaccines cost about $120. a pop and Doctors apparently make insufficient on
them to make a worthwhile profit as one paediatrician explained on camera.

Al

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "geoffp0115" <geoffpurcell@...> wrote:
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>
>
> There's a very simple reason. It is extraordinarily difficult to believe that
people with severe brain-damage can suddenly lose their disability through silly
New-Age methods re removing mercury or vaccines etc. . I don't discount the
notion that some autistic people might "recover", though. After all, there is a
fake  autism "epidemic" caused by people insisting on having their children
falsely "diagnosed" as being supposedly "autistic" simply because more
research-money has been allocated to autism and beacuse autism is seen as
"trendy"- so those misdiagnosed children with minimal issues would no doubt
benefit from extra bacteria etc. Those with genuine severe brain-damage would be
highly unlikely to benefit in any sizeable way.
>
>
>
http://www.science20.com/rogue_neuron/blog/autism_epidemic_please_stop_insanity
>
>
http://mathildasweirdworldweblog.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/autism-part-one-debunk\
ing-the-autism-epidemic-with-actual-evidence/
>
>
http://tioedong.xanga.com/746924828/no-autism-epidemic-just-more-people-called-a\
utistic/
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, lya kotys <lyakotys@> wrote:
> . I am amazed that there is even doubt in the raw Paleo
> > community.
>

Thanks for the links Geoff. I always appreciate your sources, as they help to
legitimize what we have experienced. I have friends/relatives in the Allopathic
business who will accept objective studies in lieu of experience.

It is quite interesting, as the newer/brighter breed of Doctors understand the
implications of modern pharmaceuticals and is less willing to blindly accept the
old beliefs of Allopathy, one of which, the largest monolith, is that food has
to be cooked to be safe.

Al

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "geoffp0115" <geoffpurcell@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Heterocyclic amines and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons ,  types of
heat-created toxin, are found not only in cooked meats but are also found in
cigarette-smoke and car-exhaust fumes, so smoking is very unhealthy:-
>
> http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Montana" <josephhmontana@> wrote:
> >
> > I aagree with you. If I smoke cigarettes just to balance the good (diet)
with bad (toxic environment, in moderatiion) is ok?
> > SCD 08/20/2011
> > Added Raw Paleo 12/26/2011
> > Raw Paleo Diet forum username - DaBoss88
>

After listening to Dr. Natasha C McBride explain the GAPS diet I am formulating
another possible understanding or explanation of what you experienced.

What she says is that the bacteria digest the heavy metals from what in her
child's case was from the results of vaccination, and "nanotize" (or break down
into finer sizes) the offending toxin, so they can be expelled from the system.

This may be what you experience with high meat. After the detoxification has
been done by the increased bacteria in your gut from high meat, the offending
toxins no longer are around and thus the mood is returned to normal.

Al

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "geoffp0115" <geoffpurcell@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> It has already been shown that exposure to bacteria helps boost one's mood:-
>
>
>
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/66840.php
>
> Anyway, it explains why rawpalaeos who eat "high-meat" gain such huge benefits
as regards increased levels of concentration/alertness/energy.
>
> (For some strange reason, I only ever feel the benefits of "high-meat"  the
day after consuming it, and, if I consume it every day for weeks, eventually, I
stop getting the relevant benefits. Maybe the latter is because my body
eventually "adapts" to the bacteria in some way.
>
> Geoff
>

I would be inclined to just eat small amounts (or none) of liver if you are
having problems with it. Your body is telling you something.

There is noting that says you have to eat it at all.

Al

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "grow.something" <eren.mustafa31@...>
wrote:
>
> Have any of you tried this? I have a hard time eating very much raw liver at
once, but I was thinking that running it through my greenstar and taking a shot
of it might be effective. I know the Gerson protocol used to call for raw calf
liver juice, but he used a special juicer to press the juice out (I guess that
could be done with greenstar?). Think it would it make my juicer smell like
liver forever?
>

I cannot comment on the Rife Machine but I have used the Zapper a number of
times and it works for eliminating infections on the surface of the skin. The
Zapper is basically a low power version of the Rife Machine.

Aajonus theorizes that bacteria are like the cleanup crew for places where
toxins collect in the body and that makes sense, but they may not e welcome, if
they are getting carried away and eating away your jaw or threatening  your
life.

The way I see it, if the bacteria are bad news, then it is worthwhile to get rid
of them and then build up your immune system, so that you be will less likely to
have other challenges. A second chance. However the way I see it something like
a Rife or Zapper is a bandaid not a cure and can prevent you from seeing the
error of your dietary/lifestyle etc. ways.

Somewhat like a 'magic pill"

In the short term a Rife etc will grant you a stay of execution, not a true
cure.

Then it is up to you to figure out what is wrong with your lifestyle/diet/etc so
you can normalize.

Al


--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa" <teresa_myers@...> wrote:
>
> Curious what others think about the hypothesized mechanism if rife machine,
i.e. antibacterial, vis the aajonus vonderplanitz theory that bacteria (unless
man-made) are not only not the cause if illness but in fact helpful and
necessary?
>
> Teresa
>
> --- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, anfcanada <anfcanada@> wrote:
> >
> > What dietary things are you talking about?
> >
> > I think you wold reach a wider audience if you were to reply to the forum
link that I gave you.
> >
> > Here is something to think about. A Rife machine
> > http://hiddenrecovery.blogspot.com/2008/11/strep-and-rife-machines.html
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > On 2012-01-31, at 8:04 PM, lya kotys wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, I have seen that video and it is amazing however I find it very
> > > sad at th
>

Celebrities endorse all sorts of absurd rubbishy ideas such as Scientology etc.
- means nothing. I don't think that Jim Carrey or Jenny McCarthy can exactly be
said to be scientific/medical experts on the subject.

Anywy, the fake autism epidemic is not just caused by money but by
research-money being placed for autism instead of many previous conditions. In
other words, it was in Jenny McCarthy's interest to have her child mis-diagnosed
as "autistic" since the child would be more likely to benefit from the increased
funding.

The basic point, though, is that despite the removal of mercury etc. from
vaccines, the fake autism "epidemic" is rising instead of dropping.

As regards mercury, I've already pointed out via fishscam.com etc., that mercury
exists in trace amounts in the seas etc. all over the world, and hasn't harmed
people in such tiny amounts. It's only when mercury is spilled in vast amounts
in one area, such as at Minamata Bay, that people get serious problems.

Geoff

On 2012-02-05 11:32 AM, geoffp0115 <geoffpurcell@...> wrote:
> The basic point, though, is that despite the removal of mercury etc.
> from vaccines, the fake autism "epidemic" is rising instead of
> dropping.

Contrary to popular myth, mercury has *not* been removed all, or even
many of the most common vaccines in the US.

http://www.nvic.org/faqs.aspx

(click the 'Mercury (Thimerosal) in Vaccines' FAQ)

and

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/20110314ThimerosalContainingVaccines-I-InTheDarkY\
azbakFE

So, while *most* *pediatric* vaccines have had thimerosol removed, not
*all* have, and *all* flu vaccines still have it (among others).

That said, I don't recall anyone saying that autism was caused *solely*
by thimerosol in vaccines... maybe it is caused by a combination of
different factors, many of which may be some of the other dozen or so
extremely toxic components of vaccines known as adjuvants:

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html

So you are suggesting that two of the richer people in this country are
concerned about getting a bit more money from the goveernment... I think not.

This has nothing to do with money. They are using their celebrity to help those
who have no celebrity, like the couple with 5 autistic children shown in the
series of vids. I posted the whole series on the autism thread at
RawPaleoDiet.com

I suspect that if you had a "fake" autistic child and spent your waking hours
chasing them through the house as they did what they do, babysitting them
constantly like a 2 year old, with a 15 year olds body and strength, you might
be a bit less anxious to call others fakers.

The discussion wasn't about mercury in fish, but there are places where fish do
accumulate heavy metals such as in large manmade reservoirs where the heavy
metals leach out of the drowned trees and countryside and makes it's way into
the ecosystems and into the food chain. I worked at a facility where biologists
came in annually to check the livers of the larger fish to see if warnings had
to be posted not to eat the organs of the fish. A good friend of mine was one of
those contractors.

Doctors are also quite famous for being public asses in oder to prop up failing
careers. Like the guy who ran the Tobacco Institute that claimed smoking was
harmless. Then there is the old fart that Dubya Bush used to backup his
anti-Kyoto and other green measures. This guy was also, in a previous
incarnation, a spokesman for the tobacco companies on how tobacco is harmless.
(read "Storms of My Grandchildren" by the James Hansen who was previously in
charge of the
http://www.amazon.com/Storms-My-Grandchildren-Catastrophe-Humanity/dp/1608192008\
/ref=cm_lmf_tit_2
director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies )

There is big money in propping up corporation's stories.

That won't be posted at your un-conspiracy conspiracy theorists websites. There
is not only a large harvest of conspiracy theory sites on the web, there are
also the ones who chase behind them pretending to be intelligent by posting
equally wild eyed cranky old guy exposition of the other cranky wild eyed CT. 
LOL They get lots of ads and so are excellent for selling their wares. This is
not just about helping the public.

Al

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "geoffp0115" <geoffpurcell@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Celebrities endorse all sorts of absurd rubbishy ideas such as Scientology
etc. - means nothing. I don't think that Jim Carrey or Jenny McCarthy can
exactly be said to be scientific/medical experts on the subject.
>
> Anywy, the fake autism epidemic is not just caused by money but by
research-money being placed for autism instead of many previous conditions. In
other words, it was in Jenny McCarthy's interest to have her child mis-diagnosed
as "autistic" since the child would be more likely to benefit from the increased
funding.
>
> The basic point, though, is that despite the removal of mercury etc. from
vaccines, the fake autism "epidemic" is rising instead of dropping.
>
> As regards mercury, I've already pointed out via fishscam.com etc., that
mercury exists in trace amounts in the seas etc. all over the world, and hasn't
harmed people in such tiny amounts. It's only when mercury is spilled in vast
amounts in one area, such as at Minamata Bay, that people get serious problems.
>
> Geoff
>

I blend it with eaw milk ans honey and an egg and drink it.

--- On Sun, 1/29/12, grow.something <eren.mustafa31@...> wrote:


From: grow.something <eren.mustafa31@...>
Subject: [rawpaleodiet] juicing raw liver?
To: rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 4:45 PM



 



Have any of you tried this? I have a hard time eating very much raw liver at
once, but I was thinking that running it through my greenstar and taking a shot
of it might be effective. I know the Gerson protocol used to call for raw calf
liver juice, but he used a special juicer to press the juice out (I guess that
could be done with greenstar?). Think it would it make my juicer smell like
liver forever?








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's a bit childish and ignorant to claim that fishscam.com and the most
comprehensive study done on mercury in fish(the Seychelles study) are not valid.
These provide all sorts of perfectly logical data to debunk the notion that
exposure to traces of mercury in the environment is only a recent thing and that
humans can easily tolerate such trace amounts, and they also point out how the
government-set RDA levels are wholly arbitrary and that the anti-mercury
activists are mostly just kooky environmentalists, PETA activists and the like,
with no credible scientific backing to their bizarre claims.

As regards the money claim, I was pointing out, quite logically, that even rich
people like Jim Carrery or Jenny McCarthy can hardly fund, each year,  an entire
nation's yearly research on autism, as the latter would be in the many, many
billions, at the very least, so they need to  use their influence to divert
money from other programs to more useless issues such as mercury-in-vaccines
notions.

Geoff





--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>

Regarding Jim Carrie and Jenny M, I get that they are not interested in any
research. Jenny said it over and over during the five or six vids that I saw;
the vaccinations are too many, too soon.

A 10 lb baby gets the same vaccine dose as a 180 lb adult. Mercury has been
removed from some vaccines but remains the same in others. Aluminum has
increased.

Problem is that by continuing on the tack you are suggesting, parents simply say
to heck with paediatricians and refuse to visit them, which may not be such a
bad idea, but I can assume it is not the parent's first choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=rGAkW_tlcEY

Clearly you have no interest in presenting an alternate solution and feel that
some kids will become autistic and so tough titty which of course is a valid
viewpoint. Nothing in the world says that anything should be researched. There
is a lot more money to be made researching how to make fat people thin etc.

Problem is that these same Doctors via their own in-house organization "The FDA"
is the same crowd that funds raids on farms that sell raw milk, tell the public,
that food must be cooked prior to eating, allows factory farms to flourish,
allows drugs and treatments and food products to be approved that clearly should
not have been.

A

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "geoffp0115" <geoffpurcell@...> wrote:
>
> It's a bit childish and ignorant to claim that fishscam.com and the most
comprehensive study done on mercury in fish(the Seychelles study) are not valid.
These provide all sorts of perfectly logical data to debunk the notion that
exposure to traces of mercury in the environment is only a recent thing and that
humans can easily tolerate such trace amounts, and they also point out how the
government-set RDA levels are wholly arbitrary and that the anti-mercury
activists are mostly just kooky environmentalists, PETA activists and the like,
with no credible scientific backing to their bizarre claims.
>
> As regards the money claim, I was pointing out, quite logically, that even
rich people like Jim Carrery or Jenny McCarthy can hardly fund, each year,  an
entire nation's yearly research on autism, as the latter would be in the many,
many billions, at the very least, so they need to  use their influence to divert
money from other programs to more useless issues such as mercury-in-vaccines
notions.
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <anfcanada@> wrote:
> >
>

Well, from my own past experience, I have found that no individual or
organisation can ever be either ever 100% perfect or 100% evil/wrong on a
continuous basis. So when someone suggests either option for a particular
viewpoint, then I have avery good reason not to believe it.

In the case of modern medicine/big pharma/FDA(all 3 are hardly all in agreement
with each other, but anyway..), via endless studies, they have acknowledged that
cooking creates heat-created toxins, they have admitted that tiny traces of
mercury are harmless, and so on and on. The fact that they are wrong on other
issues such as raw dairy does not change the fact that they are right in others.

Geoff

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <anfcanada@...> wrote:
>

On 2012-02-05 7:04 PM, geoffp0115 <geoffpurcell@...> wrote:
> It's a bit childish and ignorant to claim that fishscam.com and the
> most comprehensive study done on mercury in fish(the Seychelles
> study) are not valid. These provide all sorts of perfectly logical
> data to debunk the notion that exposure to traces of mercury in the
> environment is only a recent thing

It's a bit childish and ignorant to continue to ignore the fact that
there is absolutely ZERO comparison between adults getting trace amounts
of mercury in their diet (from fish or anything else), and injecting
much larger than 'trace amounts' (in most cases) of mercury *and many
other toxic chemicals) directly into the bloodstreams of newborn infants
and small children, whose immune systems are not even remotely strong
enough such garbage (not that most adults are much better prepared for it).

Unfortunately for you, fishscam.com has already debunked this ridiculous notion
re babies and mercury-"poisoning":-

"FACT: The claim that "more than 600,000" American children are born "at risk"
of mercury poisoning every year is pure bunk. It's based on a calculation made
by a single EPA employee, Kathryn Mahaffey. She observed that 7.8 percent of
women tested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had blood-mercury
levels higher than the EPA's "Reference Dose," and then figured out how many
babies would be born (on average) to this number of women. But when the CDC did
its testing, absolutely no women tested anywhere near Benchmark Dose Lower Limit
(the closest thing the United States has to an actual risk level). And almost
all of those who tested above the Reference Dose (which is ten times lower) were
only slightly above it anyway."

taken from:-

http://fishscam.com/fearmongers.cfm

Geoff




--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> wrote:
>
> On 2012-02-05 7:04 PM, geoffp0115 <geoffpurcell@...> wrote:
> > It's a bit childish and ignorant to claim that fishscam.com and the
> > most comprehensive study done on mercury in fish(the Seychelles
> > study) are not valid. These provide all sorts of perfectly logical
> > data to debunk the notion that exposure to traces of mercury in the
> > environment is only a recent thing
>
> It's a bit childish and ignorant to continue to ignore the fact that
> there is absolutely ZERO comparison between adults getting trace amounts
> of mercury in their diet (from fish or anything else), and injecting
> much larger than 'trace amounts' (in most cases) of mercury *and many
> other toxic chemicals) directly into the bloodstreams of newborn infants
> and small children, whose immune systems are not even remotely strong
> enough such garbage (not that most adults are much better prepared for it).
>

If you listen to Dr. Natasha's podcast (at about 14 minutes), she describes a
lab experiment done with rats. Adult rats with normal gut flora were given
mercury and were then tested to see if they had mercury in their bloodstream.
Only about 1% had mercury in the blood. Then a second group of rats were given a
powerful anti-biotic which wiped out their gut flora and after wards were given
the same mercury solution the first rats were given. After being tested, in this
group of rats, over 90% of the rats had mercury in their bloodstreams! Dr.
Natasha says that a person's gut flora is their first defense against heavy
metal toxicity.

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/diet-and-nutrition/dr-campbell-mcbride-the-true-c\
onnection-between-nutrition-and-brain-function/

Again, it proves that the danger of mercury poisoning depends on the state of
the immunity of the person. One person could handle a bigger dose. One could get
poisoned from a smaller dose. It depends on the individual. Blanket statements
like all people can handle such and such an amount of mercury are not true. We
are all different. I don't have to tell you it goes without saying babies and
small children would be more vulnerable to heavy metal poisoning.

Frankly, I still don't even understand why there is even a debate on whether
mercury is safe. It's a known neurotoxin!

There are two norwegian documentaries called "Mercury Girls" and Mercury
children" about dental assistants in Norway in the 1980s who mixed mercury with
their bare hands. Today many of the women are ill and unable to work. Many of
the dental nurses were pregnant while handling the mercury and had children with
birth defects and severe learning disabilities.

http://www.whale.to/a/mercdental.html

On a personal note, my holistic dentist developed leukemia after graduating from
dental school. He had had a lot of dental work performed on himself during his
school years by the other students. He went to a holistic physician who
recommended he have all his teeth removed that had dental work in them to save
his life. He had 11 teeth removed and is fine and healthy today. Due to this
experience he was inspired to become a holistic dentist and never uses mercury
or any other toxic dental materials.

On another personal note, I have an acquaintance who is a dentist and she has
two children who are autistic. Autism does not only affect mental function. It
can also affect motor function. One of her children was so flaccid he could not
sit up by himself way past the age where he should have and needed to be propped
up.





--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "geoffp0115" <geoffpurcell@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Unfortunately for you, fishscam.com has already debunked this ridiculous
notion re babies and mercury-"poisoning":-
>
> "FACT: The claim that "more than 600,000" American children are born "at risk"
of mercury poisoning every year is pure bunk. It's based on a calculation made
by a single EPA employee, Kathryn Mahaffey. She observed that 7.8 percent of
women tested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had blood-mercury
levels higher than the EPA's "Reference Dose," and then figured out how many
babies would be born (on average) to this number of women. But when the CDC did
its testing, absolutely no women tested anywhere near Benchmark Dose Lower Limit
(the closest thing the United States has to an actual risk level). And almost
all of those who tested above the Reference Dose (which is ten times lower) were
only slightly above it anyway."
>
> taken from:-
>
> http://fishscam.com/fearmongers.cfm
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
>
> --- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@> wrote:
> >
> > On 2012-02-05 7:04 PM, geoffp0115 <geoffpurcell@> wrote:
> > > It's a bit childish and ignorant to claim that fishscam.com and the
> > > most comprehensive study done on mercury in fish(the Seychelles
> > > study) are not valid. These provide all sorts of perfectly logical
> > > data to debunk the notion that exposure to traces of mercury in the
> > > environment is only a recent thing
> >
> > It's a bit childish and ignorant to continue to ignore the fact that
> > there is absolutely ZERO comparison between adults getting trace amounts
> > of mercury in their diet (from fish or anything else), and injecting
> > much larger than 'trace amounts' (in most cases) of mercury *and many
> > other toxic chemicals) directly into the bloodstreams of newborn infants
> > and small children, whose immune systems are not even remotely strong
> > enough such garbage (not that most adults are much better prepared for it).
> >
>

What do you mean by having a hard time eating it?  Taste-wise or hard time
digesting it?
 
I recently began to eat some raw, wild venison liver and fat.  Since I'm not
used to it, I cut the liver into cubes and swallow whole, washing it down with
water.  I find that wild venison is much more pleasant tasting than grass-fed
beef liver.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Animal studies have rather poor credibility as regards studies done on humans.
Besides, there are already plenty of studies which debunk the whole notion that
tiny traces of mercury below the RDA level are toxic, as well as debunking the
notion that vaccines caused autism.

As regards megadosing with mercury being toxic, obviously constantly being
exposed to high levels of mercury, such as what happened in Minamata Bay, will
cause neurological problems, but trace amounts are not a problem. I mean, our
human bodies contain trace amounts of uranium but it doesn't bother us either!:-

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/

Geoff

--- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "Lya" <lyakotys@...> wrote:
>
> If you listen to Dr. Natasha's podcast (at about 14 minutes), she describes a
lab experiment done with rats. Adult rats with normal gut flora were given
mercury and were then tested to see if they had mercury in their bloodstream.
Only about 1% had mercury in the blood. Then a second group of rats were given a
powerful anti-biotic which wiped out their gut flora and after wards were given
the same mercury solution the first rats were given. After being tested, in this
group of rats, over 90% of the rats had mercury in their bloodstreams! Dr.
Natasha says that a person's gut flora is their first defense against heavy
metal toxicity.
>
>
http://www.oneradionetwork.com/diet-and-nutrition/dr-campbell-mcbride-the-true-c\
onnection-between-nutrition-and-brain-function/
>
> Again, it proves that the danger of mercury poisoning depends on the state of
the immunity of the person. One person could handle a bigger dose. One could get
poisoned from a smaller dose. It depends on the individual. Blanket statements
like all people can handle such and such an amount of mercury are not true. We
are all different. I don't have to tell you it goes without saying babies and
small children would be more vulnerable to heavy metal poisoning.
>
> Frankly, I still don't even understand why there is even a debate on whether
mercury is safe. It's a known neurotoxin!
>
> There are two norwegian documentaries called "Mercury Girls" and Mercury
children" about dental assistants in Norway in the 1980s who mixed mercury with
their bare hands. Today many of the women are ill and unable to work. Many of
the dental nurses were pregnant while handling the mercury and had children with
birth defects and severe learning disabilities.
>
> http://www.whale.to/a/mercdental.html
>
> On a personal note, my holistic dentist developed leukemia after graduating
from dental school. He had had a lot of dental work performed on himself during
his school years by the other students. He went to a holistic physician who
recommended he have all his teeth removed that had dental work in them to save
his life. He had 11 teeth removed and is fine and healthy today. Due to this
experience he was inspired to become a holistic dentist and never uses mercury
or any other toxic dental materials.
>
> On another personal note, I have an acquaintance who is a dentist and she has
two children who are autistic. Autism does not only affect mental function. It
can also affect motor function. One of her children was so flaccid he could not
sit up by himself way past the age where he should have and needed to be propped
up.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, "geoffp0115" <geoffpurcell@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately for you, fishscam.com has already debunked this ridiculous
notion re babies and mercury-"poisoning":-
> >
> > "FACT: The claim that "more than 600,000" American children are born "at
risk" of mercury poisoning every year is pure bunk. It's based on a calculation
made by a single EPA employee, Kathryn Mahaffey. She observed that 7.8 percent
of women tested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had
blood-mercury levels higher than the EPA's "Reference Dose," and then figured
out how many babies would be born (on average) to this number of women. But when
the CDC did its testing, absolutely no women tested anywhere near Benchmark Dose
Lower Limit (the closest thing the United States has to an actual risk level).
And almost all of those who tested above the Reference Dose (which is ten times
lower) were only slightly above it anyway."
> >
> > taken from:-
> >
> > http://fishscam.com/fearmongers.cfm
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2012-02-05 7:04 PM, geoffp0115 <geoffpurcell@> wrote:
> > > > It's a bit childish and ignorant to claim that fishscam.com and the
> > > > most comprehensive study done on mercury in fish(the Seychelles
> > > > study) are not valid. These provide all sorts of perfectly logical
> > > > data to debunk the notion that exposure to traces of mercury in the
> > > > environment is only a recent thing
> > >
> > > It's a bit childish and ignorant to continue to ignore the fact that
> > > there is absolutely ZERO comparison between adults getting trace amounts
> > > of mercury in their diet (from fish or anything else), and injecting
> > > much larger than 'trace amounts' (in most cases) of mercury *and many
> > > other toxic chemicals) directly into the bloodstreams of newborn infants
> > > and small children, whose immune systems are not even remotely strong
> > > enough such garbage (not that most adults are much better prepared for
it).
> > >
> >
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