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Re: Diseases, weaning - how long?

What breed are they? Where do you live? It's getting late in year
to get a doe bred unless you run buck with her.

I never seperate my kids to wean. Bucklings are removed/sold at 8 to
12 weeks of age (understand I raise NUBIANS.)
Does in milk get checked at least once a day to ensure all are
healthy and no mastitis. Any who are making too much milk for kids,
I do milk out twice a day. And, if I want extra milk I do put kids
up for several hours so I can milk momma. Also, I get into this
habit of checking because some does will wean their kids on their own
at 10 to 14 weeks of age. If you are not catching on to this fact,
the doe will then go dry!!!

Doelings all get bred at 7 to 8 months of age to kid at 12 to 13
months old. All are in same barn/field with their mommas. It's
about how much they weigh, rather than age as to when they are OK to
breed as kids. A Nubian needs to be 80 pounds at least when you
breed her.

At first of November I stop milking anyone and cut back on feed.
Does bred to kid in January will be almost dry anyway. Does bred to
kid in April will often be harder to dry up, but will be dry by
Christmas. I check (look at them, and if needed put hands on them)
all once a day, even my dry stock, as mastitis will happen in ANY
goat with mammary tissue (including bucks and whethers!!)

So far in almost 20 years of goatkeeping all my does have weaned kids
by the time they have next set and will not let older kid(s) nurse.
Although it's touching to see a yearling in labor and not quite
understanding what's going on go over to her momma and dunk her head
down to her momma's udder as if to nurse. They don't ever actually
nurse, but it's like a comfort reflex and their momma will often turn
and nuzzle them.

I have NEVER consistantly been able to wean a kid if it goes back in
with it's momma, though, and momma is still in milk. By that I mean
if I wean a group of doelings at say, 12 weeks old? And, leave them
in another pen (even if four miles away from momma!) for +8 weeks????
and then turn back in with momma who is still in milk??? At least ONE
doe in the group of mommas will still let her kids nurse. Individual
temperment has a lot to do with it. Some that I foster a kid, calf
or deer fawn upon will always have to be in milkstand before they
will allow stranger to nurse. Others will adopt in a matter of a
week.
Donna
Safehaven Nubian dairy goats and Jersey cows
Dandridge, TN
--- In raw_goatmilk@yahoogroups.com, Pumpkin Lady <pumpkingal@...>
wrote:
>
> Karen Keys wrote:
>
> > A hundred yrs. ago diabetes and cancer was unheard of.
>
> This is not true. It's commonly quoted by people, but if you
> watch the archeology and history shows they do have cases
> that turn up cancer or diabetes anywhere from thousands to
> hundreds of years ago. Not as often as today, maybe, but we
> do live longer, eat more like nobles, and get a lot less
> exercise than people used to. All those chemicals, food-like
> products and GMO products don't help, IMO, but people did
> get all kinds of things back then that people commonly think
> they never got.
>
> In any case...could we get back to milk now, please?
>
> I have a year old doeling that is still nursing. I want to
> breed her mom. How long do I need to put her in another
> pasture for to get this cycle broken, or will the doe
> naturally dry up in 3 months if I breed her?
>
> Thanks,
> Morgan
>





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... Considering the mother goat is under 50 lbs that would not be possible. ;-) I put mine on the scales, they're small enough it's possible to pick them up...
Pumpkin Lady
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Feb 6, 2009
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What breed are they? Where do you live? It's getting late in year to get a doe bred unless you run buck with her. I never seperate my kids to wean....
Donna R. Myers-Raybon
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Feb 6, 2009
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... Nigerian Dwarf, they'll breed year round, I'm told. ... West Texas. ... Apparently MINE won't. I know darn well that I bought that kid in October at 8...
Pumpkin Lady
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Feb 6, 2009
5:31 pm

Morgan, FWIW, I have a doe that I chose not to breed last year - and she let her doe kid nurse till she was over a year old - the doe "kid" was bred at 8...
Pomeroy Ranch
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Feb 6, 2009
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You might still have them coming into a good standing heat that far south. And, yes, the ND being derived from Pygmies will very often breed year round. That...
Donna R. Myers-Raybon
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Feb 6, 2009
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Hi, I have a question regarding a doe I have that just gave birth about a month early.  The kid did not survive (but was born alive- eyes still shut,...
Joanna Porter
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Feb 12, 2009
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Sorry to hear about the preemie loss - if I were you I would check for iodine deficiency. You can do this by painting the tail web of the doe with iodine (the...
Pomeroy Ranch
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Feb 12, 2009
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I'd start milking her. She will come into full milk around her due date. Samantha ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Feb 12, 2009
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I had a doe do this I tired to milk her for a few wks. the milk never increased I gave up. In the past I had one with lots of milk. So, it is a personal...
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Feb 13, 2009
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if she had milk and you want to use it Milk it...if you dont need it you can dry her off....but keep an eye if her bag gets full milk some off so she dosent...
bob taby
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Feb 13, 2009
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if she had milk and you want to use it Milk it...if you dont need it you can dry her off....but keep an eye if her bag gets full milk some off so she dosent...
bob taby
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Feb 13, 2009
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Yes, study of archeology and of history of a disease will sure enlighten. Cancer and diabetes were with us in just about same percentages as today, too, even...
Donna R. Myers-Raybon
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Feb 20, 2009
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Donna - that was really interesting and so pertinent to today's world where we are going back in time due to post industrialization. I have a question about a...
Lisa M. Dearden
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Feb 20, 2009
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Hello! I am happy this got back to talking about goats... good grief... talk about people that get winded@! I have a Nubian.. when I got her... she was a...
Pennyanne
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Feb 20, 2009
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Hi Lisa, As someone else said, just keep milking. Put her on the stand every day and give her a routine and lots of love and reassurance. She has just been...
Pomeroy Ranch
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Feb 20, 2009
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Thanks...I am very patient and gentle with her. Yesterday I banged my kneecap really hard on the corner of the milkstand and wanted to scream out (and curse!)...
Lisa M. Dearden
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Feb 20, 2009
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try seeing if she wants a spoon full of peanutbutter. our yearlings that come up on the stand for the first time really like it and it seams to help calm them...
bob taby
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But, but what about the peanut butter recall? Is it over? To: raw_goatmilk@yahoogroups.com From: myhorse8129@... Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:15:28 -0800 ...
pal rh
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it was only for certin manufacturers. use peter pan or aldi brand. those are both good. ... From: pal rh <palrh101@...> Subject: RE: [raw_goatmilk] Nervous...
bob taby
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it was only for certin manufacturers. use peter pan or aldi brand. those are both good. ... From: pal rh <palrh101@...> Subject: RE: [raw_goatmilk] Nervous...
bob taby
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Lisa,   Does this doe have kids that are being raised on her?  I have found that new mothers sometimes won't let milk down as long as they can hear their...
Joanna Porter
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Feb 25, 2009
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Here kids were taken from her at birth, so they never nursed. She was producing about a ½ gallon a day before she came to me. I really think it's because...
Lisa M. Dearden
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Feb 25, 2009
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100 years ago the just did not had a name for a lot of diseases. cancer is around as long as living being is around. thanks to sience, they are able to...
susanne stuetzler
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Feb 6, 2009
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Biotechnology Food & Agruculture/PennState http://biotech.cas.psu.edu/articles/09_evidence.htm Center for Food Safety: ...
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