*External* *bioenergy*-induced increases in intracellular free calcium
concentrations are mediated by Na+/Ca2+ exchanger and L-type calcium
channel.
*Mol Cell Biochem 2005 Mar;271(1-2):51-9*    (ISSN: 0300-8177)
Kiang JG; Ives JA; Jonas WB
Department of Cellular Injury, Walter Reed Army Institute of Research,
503 Robert Grant Avenue, Room 1N07, Silver Spring, MD 20910-7500, USA.
Juliann.Kiang@... <mailto:Juliann.Kiang@...>.

I have found that the Tai Chi Chi Kung posture of Embrace The Moon, to be one of the best of the best ways to strenghten Chi  

(see : http://www.geocities.com/jadedragonalaska/chkung.html) .

Some have said that in times of old, that students were required to be able to hold the pose for 1-2 hours, before they were taught the forms.  Some think that this was to weed out students that not possess the committment and/or character needed for the higher level of Martial Arts.

I tend to think that it is more that the having sufficient Chi flow, is the foundation of Tai Chi, and the internal Traditional Chinses Martial Arts, and that without this energy, one might as well be doing dance, or karate.

In the position of Embrace The Moon, some favor keeping the arms at shoulder height, the arms fully rounded, with the elbows at the same height as the arms and shoulders.

Although this will cause the practitiioner to use more flow of Chi to keep the arms up and level, it tends to cause a buildup of Chi, in the Middle Dan Tien, causing overheating and top-heaviness.

When the elbows are lowered, I find that the body's center of gravity is lower, and more rooted. 

Since the elbows are closer to the Lower Dan Tien, it is easier for me to direct the Chi to the fingertips.

Any preferences, and why?

jadedragonalaska

Hi all,
I'm Rick and I live in upstate NY...I've been involved with the
Chinese energy arts for more than 35 years and have trained qigong in
about 30 of them. Energy work helped save my life and I am dedictaed
to both improving/training and helping others train. Glad I found this
group.
One question, has anyone run across published info in English on the
link between qigong and shen development? Many thanks in advance and
best to those on the site.
Rick

QIGONG as a Portal to Presence

Dr Gunther Weil calls qigong a portal to presence in that....there are
a great deal of underlying spiritual dimensions to this
art...especially in the areas called "Neigung" (pronounced "Nooey
Goong") or "Secret/Inner arts, that help develop a deeper state of
consciousness since they emphasize inner cultivation and aa greater
emphasis on the Upper Dantian (at the Third Eye) and the heart/mind
(Hsin)...these practices change qi into shen, as well as a further
refinement of shen into higher levels of soul and spirit...there is
also the emphasis on inner cultivation linking with the outer energies
of a variety of solar, lunar and cosmic forces to develop Taoist
immortality...and, any of this cannot be directly explained by the
intellect!A bottom line conclusion is by developing energy you also
develop the ability to "listen" to the energy and go into higher
spiritual realms through your practice.

Enjoy your day,
Rick

Journal of Accord Integrative Medicine (JAIM)
Web site: http://www.accordinstitute.org

Current Issue (Nov. 2005, Volume 1, No.2)
1. Meridian system: A silent electromagnetic network system
2. Fainting during acupuncture treatment: A normal acupuncture treatment
phenomenon
3. Normal acupuncture treatment phenomenon: To cure or not to cure
4. Integrative medicine: yin/yangŰyang/yin—interrelated levels of
complexity and simplicity
5. SuZen acupuncture techniques (close-loop human ­
tree acupuncture)
6. Acupuncture anesthesia, acupuncture analgesia and propagated sensation
transmission

Call for Papers
The mission of Journal of Accord Integrative Medicine
is to integrate acupuncture, Chinese medicine, qigong,
parapsychology and western medicine, with current
scientific, theories, technologies and methods to
imply for classic, current and future medicine. All
current issues, theories, viewpoints, historical
reviews, book reviews, basic research, and clinical
research regarding to the biophysics, clinical
bio-scientific implications, modern science, and
western medicine with acupuncture, Chinese medicine,
qigong and parapsychology all are welcome to
contribute.

Forthcoming Issue
1. Relationship of acupoints and the zang-fu
2. Qi, qigong and meridian
3. The nature of chi and meridian theory
4. The nature of chi and meridian:
Electromagnetodynamical resonance of meridian and
hemodynamics of microcirculation theory
5. A new chi propagation sensation along meridian
method: Series connection of bilateral three
consecutive meridians by copper wire
6. The nature of meridian: Cardiac electricity theory
7. Acupoint and meridian diagnosis
8. Dynamical medical qigong method
9. Thinking process of differentiate clinical syndrome
in Chinese medicine
10. Detection of differentially expressed genes using
DNA microarray in acute tremor by electro-acupuncture treatment

Would any researchers like to publish on www.worldtaichiday.org?

We are the internets #1 most popular site for "Tai Chi Medical Research."
We'd love to help researchers get more exposure by offering our readers more
insight into natural health research.

Bill Douglas, World Tai Chi & Qigong Day, www.worldtaichiday.org

<< Journal of Accord Integrative Medicine (JAIM)
  Web site: http://www.accordinstitute.org

  Current Issue (Nov. 2005, Volume 1, No.2)
  1. Meridian system: A silent electromagnetic network system
  2. Fainting during acupuncture treatment: A normal acupuncture treatment
  phenomenon
  3. Normal acupuncture treatment phenomenon: To cure or not to cure
  4. Integrative medicine: yin/yangÛyang/yin—interrelated levels of
  complexity and simplicity
  5. SuZen acupuncture techniques (close-loop human ­
  tree acupuncture)
  6. Acupuncture anesthesia, acupuncture analgesia and propagated sensation
  transmission

  Call for Papers
  The mission of Journal of Accord Integrative Medicine
  is to integrate acupuncture, Chinese medicine, qigong,
  parapsychology and western medicine, with current
  scientific, theories, technologies and methods to
  imply for classic, current and future medicine. All
  current issues, theories, viewpoints, historical
  reviews, book reviews, basic research, and clinical
  research regarding to the biophysics, clinical
  bio-scientific implications, modern science, and
  western medicine with acupuncture, Chinese medicine,
  qigong and parapsychology all are welcome to
  contribute.

  Forthcoming Issue
  1. Relationship of acupoints and the zang-fu
  2. Qi, qigong and meridian
  3. The nature of chi and meridian theory
  4. The nature of chi and meridian:
  Electromagnetodynamical resonance of meridian and
  hemodynamics of microcirculation theory
  5. A new chi propagation sensation along meridian
  method: Series connection of bilateral three
  consecutive meridians by copper wire
  6. The nature of meridian: Cardiac electricity theory
  7. Acupoint and meridian diagnosis
  8. Dynamical medical qigong method
  9. Thinking process of differentiate clinical syndrome
  in Chinese medicine
  10.    Detection of differentially expressed genes using
  DNA microarray in acute tremor by electro-acupuncture treatment

   >>

Miracle Man: John of God
The story of hope, faith, the unexplainable and the unbelievable


We are extremely proud to announce the World Premiere of Miracle Man: John
of God on The Discovery Channel on Friday, December 23, 2005 at 11 PM (et),
10 PM (ct) and 11 PM (pt). The show will re-air in the future so if you
miss Friday's viewing, keep checking back with
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updates. In addition, our full length international version will soon be
available on DVD with bonus features not seen on TV.
We would like to thank you for your interest and excitement for this film.
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My friends,

I  just received this Chinese E-card, and would like to share it with you.
May this message bring you and your loved ones with peace, happiness and
health...

I would like to share the following article with you in the New Year:

http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=39731

So think positive is not just psychological effect, but bring real physical
well-being.

All best wishes for a wonderful holiday season!

Kevin

http://www.wishus.org

Schmitz-Hubsch et al. of Germany published their study in a recent issue of
Movement Disorders:  Qigong exercise helps reducing the motor and non-motor
symptoms of Parkinson's disease: A randomized controlled pilot study.

ABSTRACT:  Irrespective of limited evidence, not only traditional
physiotherapy, but also a wide array of complementary methods are applied
by patients with Parkinson's disease (PD). We evaluated the immediate and
sustained effects of Qigong on motor and nonmotor symptoms of PD, using an
add-on design. Fifty-six patients with different levels of disease severity
(mean age/standard deviation [SD], 63.8/7.5 years; disease duration 5.8/4.2
years; 43 men [76%]) were recruited from the outpatient movement disorder
clinic of the Department of Neurology, University of Bonn. We compared the
progression of motor symptoms assessed by Unified Parkinson's Disease
Rating Scale motor part (UPDRS-III) in the Qigong treatment group (n = 32)
and a control group receiving no additional intervention (n = 24). Qigong
exercises were applied as 90-minute weekly group instructions for 2 months,
followed by a 2 months pause and a second 2-month treatment period.
Assessments were carried out at baseline, 3, 6, and 12 months. More
patients improved in the Qigong group than in the control group at 3 and 6
months (P = 0.0080 at 3 months and P = 0.0503 at 6 months; Fisher's exact
test). At 12 months, there was a sustained difference between groups only
when changes in UPDRS-III were related to baseline. Depression scores
decreased in both groups, whereas the incidence of several nonmotor
symptoms decreased in the treatment group only. (Movement Disorders, 2005
Oct 14).
<http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/112117934/HTMLSTART>http://\
www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/112117934/HTMLSTART

Westerdahl et al. of Sweden reported in Chest (Nov. 2005) that a
randomized controlled trial (N=90) showed patients performing
deep-breathing exercises after CABG surgery had significantly smaller
atelectatic areas and better pulmonary function on the fourth postoperative
day compared to a control group performing no exercises.
              ABSTRACT -- OBJECTIVES: To investigate the effects of
deep-breathing exercises on pulmonary function, atelectasis, and arterial
blood gas levels after coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery. DESIGN
& SETTING: In a prospective, randomized trial, patients performing
deep-breathing exercises (n = 48) were compared to a control group (n = 42)
who performed no breathing exercises postoperatively. Patient management
was similar in the groups in terms of assessment, positioning, and
mobility. INTERVENTIONS: The patients in the deep-breathing group were
instructed to perform breathing exercises hourly during daytime for the
first 4 postoperative days. The exercises consisted of 30 slow, deep
breaths performed with a positive expiratory pressure blow-bottle device (+
10 cm H(2)O). MEASUREMENTS & RESULTS: Spirometric measurements, spiral CT
(three transverse levels), arterial blood gas analysis, and scoring of
subjective experience of the breathing exercises were performed on the
fourth postoperative day. Atelectasis was only half the size in the
deep-breathing group compared to the control group, amounting to 2.6 +/-
2.2% vs 4.7 +/- 5.7% (p = 0.045) at the basal level and 0.1 +/- 0.2% vs 0.3
+/- 0.5% (mean +/- SD) [p = 0.01] at the apical level. Compared to the
control subjects, the patients in the deep-breathing group had a
significantly smaller reduction in FVC (to 71 +/- 12%, vs 64 +/- 13% of the
preoperative values; p = 0.01) and FEV(1) (to 71 +/- 11%, vs 65 +/- 13% of
the preoperative values; p = 0.01). Arterial oxygen tension, carbon dioxide
tension, fever, or length of ICU or hospital stay did not differ between
the groups. In the deep-breathing group, 72% of the patients experienced a
subjective benefit from the exercises. CONCLUSIONS: Patients performing
deep-breathing exercises after CABG surgery had significantly smaller
atelectatic areas and better pulmonary function on the fourth postoperative
day compared to a control group performing no exercises.  (Chest, 2005 Nov;
128:3482-8)
     Full article:
<http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/128/5/3482>http://www.chestjournal\
.org/cgi/content/full/128/5/3482

Dear Colleagues,

Happy New Year!

As I mentioned in my previous posting, recently most NCCAM funded studies
of external qigong therapy (EQT) have failed to achieve significant
positive effects (including some with major funding over million dollars),
and the few projects funded by Samuel Institute of Information Biology
attempting to replicate the previously reported results failed to replicate
in a controlled study of EQT.  It will become more difficult to get grants
in NIH to study external qigong therapy in the near future since the
Council of NCCAM may constrain their enthusiasm in supporting further
exploratory research of external qigong therapy. This is a very bad
situation for qigong and bio-energy research in general.

However, I know some private foundations are still interested in
exploration of qigong study, and we still have chances to break
through.  What we need to do right now is to find some crucial topics of
research that may bring breakthrough results affecting the scientific or
medical community in general, and all work together to achieve those goals,
so that the mainstream science and medicine have to pay more attention to
this area of study.

I would like to open discussion on such an issue: what kind of research
should be done at this moment to get more scientists and funding resources
interested in qigong studies?

If you have not read my review on measuring external qi effects previously,
I prefer you do so (from the link below) before you participate in the
discussion or offer additional suggestions so that we do not have simply
replicate what have already been done.

http://www.wishus.org/researchpapers/Waiqianalysis.pdf

There are two types of research people would usually do for such a
challenging area: applications and mechanism.  Let me express my thoughts
here to initiate the discussions.

For applications, I would focus on the laboratory studies of biological and
life detectors of qi energy and its effects, and to create the effects
nothing else could have produced in such a situation, for example:
	 > Inhibitory effect of EQT on tumor growth, in-vitro and in-vivo
	 > Bi-directional effect of EQT on bacteria growth -- the same therapy or
method can either inhibit or accelerate bacteria growth according to the
previously (randomly) determined trial protocol -- confirming the role of
intention in external qi healing.
	 > The effects of EQT on the mutation of bacteria or anti-bacteria in the
laboratory situation -- direct application of human energy in the war
against drug-resistant infections.
	 > Other laboratory work of inhibitory effect of EQT on bird-flu, HIV
virus, and SARS -- to suggest human self-healing potential through qigong
practice, to be more resistant to infectious diseases.
	 > Understanding the repeatable changes in psychophysiology, hermone and
immune system during different qigong (self) practices so that we may
directly explain its therapeutic effects for different diseases.

For mechanism,  I am thinking of two directions to explore: (1) application
of multidimensional theory -- qi and yi (intention or consciousness) are
working on different dimensions than the 3 or 4 dimensions we usually know,
but how can we present the research findings to verify such a concept of
multidimension?  (2) A qigong state is a special consciousness state where
time and space may not be the way we thought they are in modern science.

I hope this is enough to start some interesting discussions.

Thank you for your inputs!

Kevin Chen

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Chen

To: Int'l Forum for Qigong Research

Cc: Susan Lutgendorf ; Lian G. Sidorov ; Larry Dossey, MD : ; Shin Lin PhD ; Dr. Phillip K. Shinnick : ; Wayne Jonas

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:45 PM

Subject: [qiresearch] Think of the possible breakthrough topics for qigong research

Dear Colleagues,

Happy New Year!

As I mentioned in my previous posting, recently most NCCAM funded studies
of external qigong therapy (EQT) have failed to achieve significant
positive effects (including some with major funding over million dollars),
and the few projects funded by Samuel Institute of Information Biology
attempting to replicate the previously reported results failed to replicate
in a controlled study of EQT.  It will become more difficult to get grants
in NIH to study external qigong therapy in the near future since the
Council of NCCAM may constrain their enthusiasm in supporting further
exploratory research of external qigong therapy. This is a very bad
situation for qigong and bio-energy research in general.

However, I know some private foundations are still interested in
exploration of qigong study, and we still have chances to break
through.  What we need to do right now is to find some crucial topics of
research that may bring breakthrough results affecting the scientific or
medical community in general, and all work together to achieve those goals,
so that the mainstream science and medicine have to pay more attention to
this area of study.

I would like to open discussion on such an issue: what kind of research
should be done at this moment to get more scientists and funding resources
interested in qigong studies?

If you have not read my review on measuring external qi effects previously,
I prefer you do so (from the link below) before you participate in the
discussion or offer additional suggestions so that we do not have simply
replicate what have already been done.

http://www.wishus.org/researchpapers/Waiqianalysis.pdf

There are two types of research people would usually do for such a
challenging area: applications and mechanism.  Let me express my thoughts
here to initiate the discussions.

For applications, I would focus on the laboratory studies of biological and
life detectors of qi energy and its effects, and to create the effects
nothing else could have produced in such a situation, for example:
      > Inhibitory effect of EQT on tumor growth, in-vitro and in-vivo
      > Bi-directional effect of EQT on bacteria growth -- the same therapy or
method can either inhibit or accelerate bacteria growth according to the
previously (randomly) determined trial protocol -- confirming the role of
intention in external qi healing.
      > The effects of EQT on the mutation of bacteria or anti-bacteria in the
laboratory situation -- direct application of human energy in the war
against drug-resistant infections.
      > Other laboratory work of inhibitory effect of EQT on bird-flu, HIV
virus, and SARS -- to suggest human self-healing potential through qigong
practice, to be more resistant to infectious diseases.
      > Understanding the repeatable changes in psychophysiology, hermone and
immune system during different qigong (self) practices so that we may
directly explain its therapeutic effects for different diseases.

For mechanism,  I am thinking of two directions to explore: (1) application
of multidimensional theory -- qi and yi (intention or consciousness) are
working on different dimensions than the 3 or 4 dimensions we usually know,
but how can we present the research findings to verify such a concept of
multidimension?  (2) A qigong state is a special consciousness state where
time and space may not be the way we thought they are in modern science.

I hope this is enough to start some interesting discussions.

Thank you for your inputs!

Kevin Chen

Hi, Elisabeth,

You have an interesting and reasonable perspective on this.  But I cannot
do that, at least not yet at this moment.  As a faculty in medical school,
I need work with others and with the system to get energy medicine
noticed.  After all, doctors and scientists are also human beings, and they
believe in data, fact and truth more than "science as a religion".  As long
as we can present repeatable data to them, they will not deny, and become a
believer.  The key is how to present them something they never experienced
themselves.

We are not trying to convince the medical establishment of anything, but
reveal the truth that will benefit everyone, and move the system forward.....

Thank you for your input.  Best wishes for your unique pursuing in
bio-energy and energy medicine!

Kevin

At 11:11 AM 1/19/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Kevin,
>I suggest that we do not try to convince the medical establishment and the
>AMA etc as there is a lot of resistance.  It is not in the interest of the
>AMA and the drug companies (who are partly funding the medical schools and
>the research being done) to find a cheap alternative to their very
>profitable industry.  They are not interested in loosing their market.  If
>everybody gets healthy because of a healthy lifestyle and energywork, then
>they will not sell their drugs and also most medical doctors will be out
>of job and the hospirals out of business.  So, naturally, they will invest
>a lot of money to get failure results for Qi experiments.
>
>Think it is much better to do private independent research in private
>establishments and institutions (one example would be the Magnussa Phoenix
>Institute, link is below), and then publish the results in private
>magazines and papers.  Who is open minded and an independent thinker will
>be happy to accept the results.  People are still free to decide whom to
>believe, and to use their own brains.  If they can't then they will learn
>with time (hopefully).
>
>With warm regards from Austria,
>wishing you all the best,
>Elisabeth
>
>
>-----------
>Rev. Elisabeth Frauendorfer, PhD, OM
>Founder and GGM of the Magnussa Reiki system and
>Magnussa Phoenix Universal Energies system
><http://www.magnussa.com/mprue.html>http://www.magnussa.com/mprue.html
>http://www.magnussa.com/institute.html
>The Magnussa Phoenix International Institute of Healing Arts

>
> it is much better to do private independent research in private
> establishments and institutions (one example would be the Magnussa
> Phoenix Institute,
>


    I would suggest to go public. Qigong research can only attract more
scientists and research funding with more publicity. One effective way
should be to go on TV to do some easily accepted scientific experiments
designed by reputable scientists, and perform by an advance level Qigong
master. Even better is to invite NOVA to do a documentary film. The
publicity from the TV media is much more powerful than 100s private
Qigong research papers.


Good luck,
Yuan

------- Forwarded message -------
From: "Elisabeth Frauendorfer" <magnussa@...>
To: "Int'l Forum for Qigong Research" <Qiresearch@yahoogroups.com>, "Kevin Chen"
<chenke@...>
Subject: Re: [qiresearch] Think of the possible breakthrough topics for qigong
research
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:11:35 -0500

Hi Kevin,
I suggest that we do not try to convince the medical establishment and the AMA
etc as there is a lot of resistance.  It is not in the interest of the AMA and
the drug companies (who are partly funding the medical schools and the research
being done) to find a cheap alternative to their very profitable industry.  They
are not interested in loosing their market.  If everybody gets healthy because
of a healthy lifestyle and energywork, then they will not sell their drugs and
also most medical doctors will be out of job and the hospirals out of business. 
So, naturally, they will invest a lot of money to get failure results for Qi
experiments.

Think it is much better to do private independent research in private
establishments and institutions (one example would be the Magnussa Phoenix
Institute, link is below), and then publish the results in private magazines and
papers.  Who is open minded and an independent thinker will be happy to accept
the results.  People are still free to decide whom to believe, and to use their
own brains.  If they can't then they will learn with time (hopefully).

With warm regards from Austria,
wishing you all the best,
Elisabeth

Dear Kevin and colleagues

Based on NCCAM's strategic aims, they appear to be most interested in
mechanisms, and most interested in paradigms for proving, beyond a placebo
effect whether or not a bio medicine effect exists. Thus I think 1-4 in
your list below are probably initially the most important in getting this
work acceptable.

I think clinical studies are necessary- in fact that is what I am engaged
in- but in vitro and animal studies are probably what is most important for
the bottom line credibility of this work. I think the questions of
intention and consciousness are critical ones, but less likely to be
supported by NCCAM funding and more important for funding by foundations
that are interested in consciousness and healing.

Susan

>http://www.wishus.org/researchpapers/Waiqianalysis.pdf
>
>There are two types of research people would usually do for such a
>challenging area: applications and mechanism.  Let me express my thoughts
>here to initiate the discussions.
>
>For applications, I would focus on the laboratory studies of biological
>and life detectors of qi energy and its effects, and to create the effects
>nothing else could have produced in such a situation, for example:
>         > Inhibitory effect of EQT on tumor growth, in-vitro and in-vivo
>         > Bi-directional effect of EQT on bacteria growth -- the same
> therapy or method can either inhibit or accelerate bacteria growth
> according to the previously (randomly) determined trial protocol --
> confirming the role of intention in external qi healing.
>         > The effects of EQT on the mutation of bacteria or anti-bacteria
> in the laboratory situation -- direct application of human energy in the
> war against drug-resistant infections.
>         > Other laboratory work of inhibitory effect of EQT on bird-flu,
> HIV virus, and SARS -- to suggest human self-healing potential through
> qigong practice, to be more resistant to infectious diseases.
>         > Understanding the repeatable changes in psychophysiology,
> hermone and immune system during different qigong (self) practices so
> that we may directly explain its therapeutic effects for different diseases.
>
>For mechanism,  I am thinking of two directions to explore: (1)
>application of multidimensional theory -- qi and yi (intention or
>consciousness) are working on different dimensions than the 3 or 4
>dimensions we usually know, but how can we present the research findings
>to verify such a concept of multidimension?  (2) A qigong state is a
>special consciousness state where time and space may not be the way we
>thought they are in modern science.
>
>I hope this is enough to start some interesting discussions.
>
>Thank you for your inputs!
>
>Kevin Chen

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  How does qigong diagnosis work?  Some explanations...

Within a certain distance it is possible for
"advanced" qigong practitioners to diagnose conditions
in patients. The qigong practitioner feels sensations
within his/her body such as:

- an "electric" sensation around the heart for
diseased heart tissue as is quite common
- "cold" spots or pain spots for tumours
- "warmth" in the kidneys for damaged tissue such as
that caused by type II diabetes

There are a wide variety of sensations possible and
many are recorded in old literature as "cold damp qi".
With modern medical tecnology it is possible to
correlate the sensation to particular condition.

But the question remains, what is a possible
mechanism?

One new breast cancer device, from Z-Tech, uses an
interesting technology.

"Breast tissue, like all other tissues in the body,
has electrical properties because the fluid between
cells and the cell membranes behave in a manner
similar to resistors and capacitors commonly found in
electronic circuits. A set of electrodes is placed on
the breast, and an imperceptible electrical current is
passed through various pairs of electrodes. The
measured impedance to the flow of the current reflects
the electrical properties of the tissue elements in
the current path.

When an area of the breast becomes malignant there is
(a) an increase in the volume of fluid in the region
and (b) the cell membrane becomes electrically porous,
both changes resulting in a decrease in electrical
impedance in the cancerous area.

Electrical changes associated with cancer, therefore,
can be regarded as a marker that can be detected by a
system capable of measuring electrical impedance
throughout the breast."

www.z-techinc.com/how.html

But can it be done from a distance? Most "advanced"
qigong practitioners can accomplish diagnosis from a
distance. The answer is that we utilize the same
principle as "resonant power transfer" used in this
clever art display.

bea.st/sight/lightbulb/

The lights generated by power transmitted wirelessly
using a generator in the top and the appropriately
tuned receiver in the lightbulb.

bea.st/sight/levitation/

This principle is what lights the LED's of the
"lightbulb" in the link. The "advanced" qigong
practitioner broadcasts the correct frequency for a
healthy person. When the patient intereacts with the
field diseased tissue causes a feedback in the system,
just as in the Z-Tech device but through the field -
no contact is required. However, this feedback is felt
in the advanced practitioners corresponding organ
because the field has been disrupted and is not
correctly "tuned".

The power needed to accomplish diagnosis in a good,
clean (as in electric and magnetic fields) environment
is not very high. However, just as is noted for the
suspended lightbulb, external interference causes
power transfer problems. This is the same for an
advanced qigong practitioner and is the reason why
sometimes conditions are not detected.

The fields are generated within the advanced
practitioner by synchronous firing of nervous tissue,
just as in the Knife fish.

www.sciencenews.org/artic...9/fob4.asp

So there is a "mental state" that corresponds to the
generation of the necessary field.

This implies that external fields may detrimentally
influence tissue. Just as a powerful external field
causes healing (qi emission treatment) the wrong
external field degrades tissue.


http://www.qigonginstitute.org/

http://pub21.ezboard.com/bqigonginstitute

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http://www.mindandlife.org/collaboration.html

Training and Studying the Mind: Toward an integration
of Buddhist contemplative practices and neurosciences.


General purposes of the research project:
The general purpose of this research project is to
gain new insights about the impact of meditation on
basic affective and cognitive functions and on the
brain mechanisms that subserve these processes. In
addition, the research is designed to foster an
understanding of the nature of conscious experience.
Some of the positive mental attributes that are
voluntarily cultivated in Buddhist contemplative
practices, such as compassion, have not been part of
the Western neuroscientific study of emotion (see
Davidson, 2002). This research seeks to make these
positive mental attributes a focus of scientific
study. In addition, by combining the rigorous direct
examination of conscious experience that is cultivated
by Buddhist contemplative practices with Western
neuroscientific exploration of the neuronal and
somatic embodiments of conscious states, new insights
can be gleaned about the fundamental nature of
consciousness (see Varela, 1996; Lutz et al., 2002).

Description of the research project:

This project involves the measurement of functional
brain activity with brain imaging methods in highly
trained Buddhist practitioners during various
meditative states. These studies are currently in
progress at the Keck Laboratory, University of
Madison, Wisconsin and at LENA laboratory (CNRS, UPR
640), Hôpital de la Salpętričre, Paris.

  We are focusing on four mental states, well
documented in Buddhist psychology and referred to as
focused attention, open attention (or pure awareness),
visualization and generation of compassion. These
meditative techniques cultivate different mental
faculties, some of which have received scant attention
in the modern scientific literature.

Focused attention (Samatha) or 'one-pointed
concentration' involves sustaining attention upon an
object without being distracted away from it

Open attention (Rig pa'i cog bgzag) is a state of
total openness in which the mind is not focused on
something. It is unconcerned and unaffected by
perceptions, recollections and imagination, yet there
is no intent whatsoever to block or prevent them;

Visualization consists of both the mental construction
and mental viewing of highly detailed visual mental
images;

Compassion consists of the voluntary cultivation of a
positive affective state that Buddhist practitioners
consider essential to counteracting self-centered
tendencies. It involves the generation of a state in
which love and compassion permeate the whole mind,
with no other consideration, reasoning or discursive
thoughts.

Past papers may be found here:

http://brainimaging.waisman.wisc.edu/~lutz/Meditation_Neuroscience_2005_AL_JDD_R\
JD_2.pdf

http://brainimaging.waisman.wisc.edu/~lutz/Lutz_et_al_Meditation_gamma_EEG_2004.\
pdf

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  Modalities if diagnosis... There are multiple ways to
diagnose; I just wanted to expand on one of the
supposedly more "mysterious". Some of the others
include:

- Smell: advanced colon cancer has a very distinctive
smell
- Sight: some see "auras" or enhanced colour over
sickened areas on a patient's body
- Touch: enhanced perceptions of heat, cold, etc.

These are more easily explained since the mechanisms
and sensations are simply extensions of what we
experience all the time.

I have now met qigong masters, a yogi and two advanced
reiki practitioners who can "feel inside" someone
else. The reiki practitioners had it appear after an
attunement and it would appear that they lack the
required full energy flow to sustain proper diagnosis.

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Kevin,

I am sorry to see that your efforts to conceptualize convincing and coherent Qi
research continue.  There is an inbuilt defeatism in your post that stimulates
me.  I know you are doing your best, but I have followed the same dreary
threads, with the same dreary thoughts, and the same dreary befuddlement on this
website of years now.  Why am I taking such a tone?

[a] You continue to falsely insist on conceiving the possibilities for research
as falling into TWO posssilbe types, [a] applications and [b] mechanisms,while
you seem blind to the third, more complete type of research which must be
implemented in order to be
convincing to those outside the "qi" community.  I have written to you in the
past about this,  but it seems that there is  "a wall" there to the acceptance
of my point alternative "C".

What is alternative "C".

[1] This entails the performance of a clinically based, valid result in terms of
treatment of some major disease or pathology.

[2] an open mind and willingness to research what some of the advanced,
non-1980's-textbook treatments and theories are about his condition [instead of
self-pitying bewailing and moaning that Western medicine claims that these
ailments are not treatable at all],

[3] the development of target measures based on mechanisms that would be taken
ALONG WITH CLINICAL MEASURES,  If you [or those classic desiginers of BAD
research at the Samueli institute, ever took the trouble to see what others [in
Western research although
not the "mainstream" ] have already done, you would have a chance to identity
various "signals" or "mechanisms" as you call them, and the CORRELATE their
variation with [hopefully] variation in clinical outcomes.

[4] the goal of the study to be not only the achievement of various either
objective and/or subjective clinical benefits, BUT ALSO the  FINDING of
variations in one or more pertinent "mechanism" measures that others [many
others apparently beyond your ability to click in
search of these on the internet] have achieved already.

[5] what this achieves is less of an egocentric preoccupation with "what QI is"
and its special, special, special "specialness" but a focus on what it "does"
[Honestly, your talk about various further "dimensions", various non-locality
issues and the such is simply a self-defeating self isolationism.  Sorry, but
it's just plain SILLY, and stands in the way of clear thinking.

[6] As an example, you make a rather uneducated, defeating statement that
Western medicine has written off a condition such as "rheumatoid" arthritis as
incurable and that, presumably only the magical, transcendant, and post-quantum
babble of "qi" research can
help these patients.  On the contrary, there have been at least a dozen
different approaches to the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis by classic,
Western medical researchers at the top medical schools in the world.....and
published so that you might find these in 5 minutes, if you weren't so ego-
interested in the 'specialness" of Qi.

For example, one such study employs the use of long-term the low dose
'macrolide" biaxin in previously untreatable rheumatoid patients.  Their design
study is not based on simply  what you call "application", i.e., the
administration of biaxin for three months and seeing if joint inflammation or
subjective measures improved [which they did!!!] but also on what you go
"mechanism" and the showing that various inflammatory factors in the blood
[which have in thousands of other studies been associated with pathological
inflammatory processes] declined significantly.  And then they demonstrated a
CORRELATION BETWEEN THE MEASURED BENEFITS OF THE APPLICATION aND THE VARIATIONS
IN THE POSSIBLE MECHANISM.

Here, by the way is the abstract of only one [among many] studies which show
that there is a vocabulary already in play for dealing with mechanisms that
might be correlated with treatments. And there are already the first footsteps
in this as well as countless other
diretions showing effectivieness  There are dozens of studies which point to
likely candidates for mechanisms or at least 'signals" of effective therapy in
rheumatoid arthritis, including nootropis medications originating in Eastern
Europe, immunological techniques
based on the elimination of B-Cells, and so on and so on and so on.  How silly
of you to say that Western medicine claims that nothing can be done for
rheumatoid arthristis?  And oddly enough many of these divergent approaches
which show success are related to the
same several "signal" or "mechanism" candidates.

Why not put in some productive thought and research on which of these might be
related and relatable to the effects of QI.  Try to understand why those
'candidate" signals for effective cure might be relevant and then conduct a
study of type {C} based on both
"applications" and "mechanism" not just one or the other Of course, that would
require some getting out of the cloistered, self-important world of "QI" and
doing some background research [something the bureaucrats at Samueli, for
example, are completely
unwilling to do]

Sincerely and [without much hope that you will leave your "bubble"]
Joseph Knecht



Clin Exp Rheumatol. 2002 May-Jun;20(3):373-8.

Clarithromycin in rheumatoid arthritis patients not responsive to
disease-modifying antirheumatic drugs: an open, uncontrolled pilot study.

Saviola G, Abdi Ali L, Rossini P, Campostrini L, Coppini A, Gori M, Ianaro A,
Bucci M, de Nucci G, Cirino G.

Fondazione Salvatore Maugeri IRCCS, Rheumatology Unit, Castel Goffredo, Mantua,
Italy.
gsaviola@...

OBJECTIVE: In 1996 we found by serendipity that 2 patients with rheumatoid
arthritis (RA)
who were taking clarithromycin (CM) to eradicate Helicobacter pylori experienced
a regression of their RA symptoms. Following this observation, we tested the
hypothesis that this reduction in symptoms could have been caused by CM
administration. METHODS:
We performed a 6-month, open, uncontrolled pilot study on 18 patients (14
females and 4 males, mean age 62 yrs.) with RA who had previously received
DMARDs (mean 2.6) and discontinued the treatment at least one month earlier
because lack of efficacy or severe
side effects. Patients were treated with CM at the dose of 500 mg twice per day
for the first 10 days, followed by a daily maintenance dose of 250 mg twice per
day. RESULTS: 4/18 patients did not complete the treatment, 2/18 were not
responsive to the treatment
and 2/18 discontinued the treatment. Following ACR criteria the improvement was:
10 patients ACR 20; 6 patients ACR 50; and 2 patients ACR 70. The remaining 4
patients did not reach ACR 20 since either the number of tender or swollen
joints was not to the level
required. Reductions in PGE2 and soluble phospholipase A2 plasma levels were
closely related to CM plasma levels. CONCLUSIONS: Ourfindings suggest that CM
treatment can be beneficial in those patients who are not responsive to or
cannot tolerate DMARDs. No
definitive conclusions can be drawn based on the present study, due to the small
sample size involved.

How about testing the bodies energy systems for problems?

1/ Meridian flow and blockages
2/ Chakra spin (Now anti-clock wise)
4/ Energy vessels
5/ Hara for negative energy
6/ Then energetics of infection
7/ Energetics of trapped nerves in the spine

All easy and very very effective

Regards
Mark



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Subject: [qiresearch] How does qigong diagnosis work? Some explanations...


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> How does qigong diagnosis work?  Some explanations...
>
> Within a certain distance it is possible for
> "advanced" qigong practitioners to diagnose conditions
> in patients. The qigong practitioner feels sensations
> within his/her body such as:
>
> - an "electric" sensation around the heart for
> diseased heart tissue as is quite common
> - "cold" spots or pain spots for tumours
> - "warmth" in the kidneys for damaged tissue such as
> that caused by type II diabetes
>
> There are a wide variety of sensations possible and
> many are recorded in old literature as "cold damp qi".
> With modern medical tecnology it is possible to
> correlate the sensation to particular condition.
>
> But the question remains, what is a possible
> mechanism?
>
> One new breast cancer device, from Z-Tech, uses an
> interesting technology.
>
> "Breast tissue, like all other tissues in the body,
> has electrical properties because the fluid between
> cells and the cell membranes behave in a manner
> similar to resistors and capacitors commonly found in
> electronic circuits. A set of electrodes is placed on
> the breast, and an imperceptible electrical current is
> passed through various pairs of electrodes. The
> measured impedance to the flow of the current reflects
> the electrical properties of the tissue elements in
> the current path.
>
> When an area of the breast becomes malignant there is
> (a) an increase in the volume of fluid in the region
> and (b) the cell membrane becomes electrically porous,
> both changes resulting in a decrease in electrical
> impedance in the cancerous area.
>
> Electrical changes associated with cancer, therefore,
> can be regarded as a marker that can be detected by a
> system capable of measuring electrical impedance
> throughout the breast."
>
> www.z-techinc.com/how.html
>
> But can it be done from a distance? Most "advanced"
> qigong practitioners can accomplish diagnosis from a
> distance. The answer is that we utilize the same
> principle as "resonant power transfer" used in this
> clever art display.
>
> bea.st/sight/lightbulb/
>
> The lights generated by power transmitted wirelessly
> using a generator in the top and the appropriately
> tuned receiver in the lightbulb.
>
> bea.st/sight/levitation/
>
> This principle is what lights the LED's of the
> "lightbulb" in the link. The "advanced" qigong
> practitioner broadcasts the correct frequency for a
> healthy person. When the patient intereacts with the
> field diseased tissue causes a feedback in the system,
> just as in the Z-Tech device but through the field -
> no contact is required. However, this feedback is felt
> in the advanced practitioners corresponding organ
> because the field has been disrupted and is not
> correctly "tuned".
>
> The power needed to accomplish diagnosis in a good,
> clean (as in electric and magnetic fields) environment
> is not very high. However, just as is noted for the
> suspended lightbulb, external interference causes
> power transfer problems. This is the same for an
> advanced qigong practitioner and is the reason why
> sometimes conditions are not detected.
>
> The fields are generated within the advanced
> practitioner by synchronous firing of nervous tissue,
> just as in the Knife fish.
>
> www.sciencenews.org/artic...9/fob4.asp
>
> So there is a "mental state" that corresponds to the
> generation of the necessary field.
>
> This implies that external fields may detrimentally
> influence tissue. Just as a powerful external field
> causes healing (qi emission treatment) the wrong
> external field degrades tissue.
>
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Hello,

For those of you who don't know, the James Randi Educational Foundation has a
challenge where they will offer someone a million dollars if they can
successfully complete a scientific experiment that can prove they have a psychic
or paranormal capability. The site is
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

No one has officially been successful since there are a lot of people who claim
to have psychic or paranormal abilities. I'm sure there must be some experienced
qigong fractioned here that can prove that they have a legitimate skill. The
organization is legit and they can assist you in creating an objective
experiment.  While I believe in being rational and question the legitimacy of
many 'new age' psychics or healers, I think that qigong has some sort of
legitimacy. So someone get the courage to take this challenge, who has a lot of
qi
healing experience.

Paula

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  qigong diagnosis!  Just one view only:
Let me explain. The diagnosis is done according to TCM
principles i.e. looking, asking, pulse taking, and
tongue color (short list). Qigong is usually adjunct
intervention.

The use of the hand to indicate polarity (impossible
to ascertain since that is done with electrical
instrumentation) may be accomplished by positioning at
area of pain and sensing elements of cold, heat,
'emptiness', etc. Based on this assessment a specific
method of qigong may be trained/taught over time to
potentially alleviate /help with the present therapy.



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Dear Kevin,
I think that the next step in qigong research  should be a consensus
conference on the energetic nature of the body. Such a   conference
would help explain the mechanism of action for qigong and acupuncture
and would encourage mainstream institutions to provide more money for
research.  If done properly, I believe that the resulting consensus
statement will be admissible in evidence, serve as the basis for
legislation, and expedite the integration of medicine in this country.

To be effective, this consensus conference must be done with mainstream
institutions and should address the following questions:.
A) Are there electrical currents in the human body?
B) If so, do these electrical currents generate electromagnetic fields?
C) If so, what are the ramifications of the existence of these electric
currents and emfs for health, disease etc.
D) Is it possible that these emfs extend outside the body?
E) Is it possible for individuals to learn to control the electrical
currents and emfs both within and outside the body?
F) Is it possible that the electrical currents and emfs from one
individual could affect the electrical currents and emfs of another
individual.
G) Has there been sufficient research to answer all of these questions?

As always, thank you for your work.
Best,
Linda


Kevin Chen wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> As I mentioned in my previous posting, recently most NCCAM funded studies
> of external qigong therapy (EQT) have failed to achieve significant
> positive effects (including some with major funding over million
> dollars),
> and the few projects funded by Samuel Institute of Information Biology
> attempting to replicate the previously reported results failed to
> replicate
> in a controlled study of EQT.  It will become more difficult to get
> grants
> in NIH to study external qigong therapy in the near future since the
> Council of NCCAM may constrain their enthusiasm in supporting further
> exploratory research of external qigong therapy. This is a very bad
> situation for qigong and bio-energy research in general.
>
> However, I know some private foundations are still interested in
> exploration of qigong study, and we still have chances to break
> through.  What we need to do right now is to find some crucial topics of
> research that may bring breakthrough results affecting the scientific or
> medical community in general, and all work together to achieve those
> goals,
> so that the mainstream science and medicine have to pay more attention to
> this area of study.
>
> I would like to open discussion on such an issue: what kind of research
> should be done at this moment to get more scientists and funding
> resources
> interested in qigong studies?
>
> If you have not read my review on measuring external qi effects
> previously,
> I prefer you do so (from the link below) before you participate in the
> discussion or offer additional suggestions so that we do not have simply
> replicate what have already been done.
>
> http://www.wishus.org/researchpapers/Waiqianalysis.pdf
>
> There are two types of research people would usually do for such a
> challenging area: applications and mechanism.  Let me express my thoughts
> here to initiate the discussions.
>
> For applications, I would focus on the laboratory studies of
> biological and
> life detectors of qi energy and its effects, and to create the effects
> nothing else could have produced in such a situation, for example:
>       > Inhibitory effect of EQT on tumor growth, in-vitro and in-vivo
>       > Bi-directional effect of EQT on bacteria growth -- the same
> therapy or
> method can either inhibit or accelerate bacteria growth according to the
> previously (randomly) determined trial protocol -- confirming the role of
> intention in external qi healing.
>       > The effects of EQT on the mutation of bacteria or
> anti-bacteria in the
> laboratory situation -- direct application of human energy in the war
> against drug-resistant infections.
>       > Other laboratory work of inhibitory effect of EQT on bird-flu,
> HIV
> virus, and SARS -- to suggest human self-healing potential through qigong
> practice, to be more resistant to infectious diseases.
>       > Understanding the repeatable changes in psychophysiology,
> hermone and
> immune system during different qigong (self) practices so that we may
> directly explain its therapeutic effects for different diseases.
>
> For mechanism,  I am thinking of two directions to explore: (1)
> application
> of multidimensional theory -- qi and yi (intention or consciousness) are
> working on different dimensions than the 3 or 4 dimensions we usually
> know,
> but how can we present the research findings to verify such a concept of
> multidimension?  (2) A qigong state is a special consciousness state
> where
> time and space may not be the way we thought they are in modern science.
>
> I hope this is enough to start some interesting discussions.
>
> Thank you for your inputs!
>
> Kevin Chen
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:33:44 -0500, Paula Lucidi <paulal@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For those of you who don't know, the James Randi Educational Foundation has a
challenge where they will offer someone a million dollars if they can
successfully complete a scientific experiment that can prove they have a psychic
or paranormal capability. The site is
> http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
>
> No one has officially been successful since there are a lot of people who
claim to have psychic or paranormal abilities. I'm sure there must be some
experienced qigong fractioned here that can prove that they have a legitimate
skill. The organization is legit and they can assist you in creating an
objective experiment.  While I believe in being rational and question the
legitimacy of many 'new age' psychics or healers, I think that qigong has some
sort of legitimacy. So someone get the courage to take this challenge, who has a
lot of qi
> healing experience.
>
> Paula
>

       Dr. Yan Xin is considered to be the number one Qigong master. If they
want to refute the paranormal Qigong, then they should contact Dr. Yan Xin,
the number one Qigong master, directly.
http://www.yanxinqigong.net/aboutdryan/index.htm

       The objectives of CSICOP and Mr. James Randi are as following :

            "The Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the
Paranormal encourages the critical investigation of paranormal and fringe-
cience claims from a responsible, scientific point of view and disseminates
factual information about the results of such inquiries to the scientific
community and the public."

            If they are truly faithful to their own objectives, then they should
start their own scientific investigation into Dr. Yan Xin's Qi research
papers. Dr. Yan's Qi experiments are all well documented.

            They should contact Dr. Yan Xin directly to discuss any mutually
agreed experiment for their true scientific investigation.


Best.
Yuan

>
>       Dr. Yan Xin is considered to be the number one Qigong master. If
they
> want to refute the paranormal Qigong, then they should contact Dr. Yan
Xin,
>

Hello,

Sounds like Dr. Xin has an ego problem. If he's got a legitimate skill, then
what's the big deal in going to them? Too much pride? Please that's a lame
excuse. The organization is set up so that people go to them. Not everyone
who is 'psychic is famous.
Anyways, I want someone from the qi community to show some courage and prove
this organization and the world. The only people that don't follow through
are the delusional ones. I'm sure that qi healing is real but maybe it isn't
and so that is why I am asking for people in this community to start pushing
the healers to take this challenge.
Otherwise, qigong will just be considered smoke and mirrors.

Paula

Kevin,

Unfortunately, the main problem of this website is not pursuing the "answers" to
the
nature of the many wondrous mysteries of QIGONG healing, but being able to
formulate
even the most basic, simple QUESTIONS to be answered.  Please don't take this
any more
personally than you have to, but you folks are in no position to even to begin
to
investigate the issue.  It is clear that there is very little [if any] reading
done of the
background research in medical issues required to formulate coherent and
answerable
questions.  And then you leave yourselves and the reputation of your discipline
in the
hands of nincompoops [ is that the word], complete mediocrities and incompetents
such
as the Samueli Institute, who then run absurd studies reflecting badly on QiGong
healing.
[see below] for a note I sent them [ after attempting to speak to them and
obtain details
on their researc "thinking" [or lack thereof].  Yes, it was phrased with my
typical vitriol, but
frankly after seeing enough nonsense, I just don't give a damn anymore about the
politically incorrect flack.

What am I suggesting?  I suggest you get your band of website participants
together and
do some collective research in basics so that you can get a sense of which sorts
of
questions would be answerable.  And then formulate these preliminary questions
and
present them to those in the fields of molecular biology, for example, who have
actually
been doing productive, leading, cutting-edge research [and not flunkies such as
the
Samueli group who have no worthwhile groundbreaking research of any kind in
their
resumes].

For example, you might attempt to brief yourselves at least modestly on the
nature of
cellular lifecycle and dynamics so as to formulate questions in terms of such
issue as nitric
oxide, Calcium flux and pulse, cell membrane dynamics and "intelligence", nature
of
apoptosis and cell death, so called "electrical effects" and "waves"within the
individual cell
and then between cells, the neurol cerebral mappings which impact on ostensible
"qi"
effects, and several more issues that might be relevant.

Yes, this would take a commitment to actually read about some of the issues and
publications which you go on and on about.  But at least you might then be in
position to
approach bonafide, productive scientists to help you refine and articulate the
worthwhile
questions. Once you do that, and stop claiming you can't even read about the
background
research and stop abnegating your responsibility and handing over the 'thinking"
to
dunces such as the Samueli bunch, you will not get anywhere fast.  Sorry, but
those are
the facts.

Now, below I've included a letter sent last year to Dr. Ives [apparently the
"scientific brain"
behind the Samueli flood of inconclusive, nonsupportive findings.  I offered to
point out in
step by step fashion at least 20 completely incoherent and invalid assumptions
in the
formulation of this research.  So why don't you test yourselves, folks, and see
if  you can
discern just how stupid [and guaranteed to be non-supportive and
non-informative] this
research truly is.  If you can't "see through" the nonsense of this study,
surely you realize
you are not capable [without more preparation and  the help of true researchers
who are
out there publishing in these areas] even begin to formulate the proper
questions.

And, yes, I'm sure that neither my note to the Samueli gang nor  the note to you
folks right
now were sufficiently "polite".  That's not the point.  Just test yourselves and
see if you
know why this "hurtful" study was sheer incompetent nonsense???

From May of 2005:
Dr. Ives,

Apropos of our recent phone conversation, this "publication" [below] from your
well done
and reputable website is an outrage and an instance of such abject incompetence
that
even a grade school child ought to see through it.  Honestly, Dr. Ives, are
"resources" so
easy to come by, that they can be squandered on this  "intellectual slop"

This kind of research can only embarrass a fine organization such as the Samueli
Institute,
and hurt the advance of the very medical modalities and awareness that your
organization
seeks to promote.

If you would like a list of the top 20 reasons that this "research' doesn't even
merit
mention, much less funding [although I surely hope that you could yourself come
up with
at least 15 of them], I will be happy to put that together for you and your
colleagues.


Here's the material directly from CURRENT PROJECTS on your website [as part of
your
sponsored research]. Are you interested in knowing why it is ridiculously bad
and
misleading research????????

Energy Medicine Treatment of Brain Cancer  in Cell Models

Principal Investigator: Garret Yount,  PhD, Scientist

Affiliation: California Pacific Medical Center Research Institute in San
Francisco

Background: An increasing amount of scientific attention is being devoted to
evaluating
healing practices  that use spiritual techniques.  The most studied modality,
qigong,
involves  the channeling of spiritual energy to influence the health of others. 
There are
published claims that external qigong treatment can affect a variety  of
parameters in
laboratory models including cell death of cultured tumor cells  and the
alteration of
absorption intensity of DNA.  We have conducted a series of experiments to
examine  the
potential effects of Johrei, a Japanese spiritual healing practice with 
similarities to qigong,
on normal and cancerous human brain cells in vitro.   These studies utilized
state-of-the-
art technology to carefully analyze rates of  cell death and proliferation. 
Additionally, we
include experimental  blinding protocols that exceed the standard of rigor used
to
investigate  conventional therapeutic interventions .

Hypotheses: 1) Human brain tumor cells stressed by exposure to ionizing 
radiation will be
further inhibited in culture by Johrei healing, resulting in  decreased cell
growth and/or
increased cell death compared to controls; 2)  normal human brain cells stressed
by
exposure to ionizing radiation will be  supported in culture by Johrei healing,
resulting in
increased cell growth  and/or decreased cell death compared to controls; and 3)
demonstrated cellular  responses to Johrei healing will be mediated within the
cells
through known  molecular signaling pathways.

Methods and materials: These experiments were conducted  in a prospective,
double-
blind, sham controlled manner, with a  well-established brain tumor cell line,
SF-188,
derived from a human glioblastoma multiforme tumor.  Primary cultures of human
astrocytes, the  normal cells from which these tumors arise, served as the
control cell
model.   Both cultures were exposed to ionizing radiation using the same
technology and
the same dose as is used to treat patients.  Johrei healers, with a minimum 
experience of
15 years of practice, focused their healing intention toward  cultures of both
cell lines in a
randomized, blinded manner in two separate  sessions.  Control experiments were
conducted with non-healers to mimic the  presence of a human body in close
proximity to
the cultured cells.  All  technicians and investigators were blinded.

Results :In the first series  of experiments, no significant changes in cell
death or
proliferation were  observed between the control and Johrei treated samples.  An
alteration
in  cellular emigration (i.e. cell motility), however, was observed.  In a 
replicate study,
Johrei treatment did not affect rates of cell  death, proliferation, or
emigration.  The data
from both of these studies  include nearly 6,000 individual cells which were
tracked for at
least 24 hours.   The results of this study suggest that in vitro systems may
not provide an
optimal setting to evaluate spiritual healing practices.

Relationship to SIIB mission and healing: If the  hypotheses were supported, it
would have
suggested that healing intention  directed toward a biologic target can effect
biochemical
and genetic  relationships in stressed and non-stressed cells.  Theoretically,
this may
have been clinically relevant as it suggests a way to enhance the efficacy of 
the treatment
for patients undergoing radiation therapy or recovering  from  radiation
poisoning.

>
> Sounds like Dr. Xin has an ego problem. If he's got a legitimate skill,
> then what's the big deal in going to them? Too much pride? Please that's
> a lame excuse.
>


    I am not sure whether you know or practice any advance Qigong or not.
It is definitely a very big deal. Absolutely not any excuse......

    Since Dr. Yan has already published many well documented Qi research
paper, the ball is really in CSICOP and Randi's court now. It is up to
them to initiate their "Scientific Investigation".

    I would suggest you demand them to contact Dr. Yan Xin directly if you
believe in their "Scientific Investigation".


Best,
Yuan
------- Forwarded message -------
From: "Paula Lucidi" <paulal@...>
To: qiresearch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [qiresearch] The Challenge
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:51:29 -0500

>
>       Dr. Yan Xin is considered to be the number one Qigong master. If
> they want to refute the paranormal Qigong, then they should contact
> Dr. Yan Xin,
>

Hello,

Sounds like Dr. Xin has an ego problem. If he's got a legitimate skill, then
what's the big deal in going to them? Too much pride? Please that's a lame
excuse. The organization is set up so that people go to them. Not everyone
who is 'psychic is famous.
Anyways, I want someone from the qi community to show some courage and prove
this organization and the world. The only people that don't follow through
are the delusional ones. I'm sure that qi healing is real but maybe it isn't
and so that is why I am asking for people in this community to start pushing
the healers to take this challenge.
Otherwise, qigong will just be considered smoke and mirrors.

Paula
------- Forwarded message -------
From: yuan <yuan123@...>
To: qiresearch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [qiresearch] The Challenge
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:57:26 -0500

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:33:44 -0500, Paula Lucidi <paulal@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For those of you who don't know, the James Randi Educational Foundation has a
challenge where they will offer someone a million dollars if they can
successfully complete a scientific experiment that can prove they have a psychic
or paranormal capability. The site is
> http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
>
> No one has officially been successful since there are a lot of people who
claim to have psychic or paranormal abilities. I'm sure there must be some
experienced qigong fractioned here that can prove that they have a legitimate
skill. The organization is legit and they can assist you in creating an
objective experiment.  While I believe in being rational and question the
legitimacy of many 'new age' psychics or healers, I think that qigong has some
sort of legitimacy. So someone get the courage to take this challenge, who has a
lot of qi
> healing experience.
>
> Paula
>

       Dr. Yan Xin is considered to be the number one Qigong master. If they
want to refute the paranormal Qigong, then they should contact Dr. Yan Xin,
the number one Qigong master, directly.
http://www.yanxinqigong.net/aboutdryan/index.htm

       The objectives of CSICOP and Mr. James Randi are as following :

            "The Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the
Paranormal encourages the critical investigation of paranormal and fringe-
cience claims from a responsible, scientific point of view and disseminates
factual information about the results of such inquiries to the scientific
community and the public."

            If they are truly faithful to their own objectives, then they should
start their own scientific investigation into Dr. Yan Xin's Qi research
papers. Dr. Yan's Qi experiments are all well documented.

            They should contact Dr. Yan Xin directly to discuss any mutually
agreed experiment for their true scientific investigation.


Best.
Yuan

Paula, sounds like you have a problem???
Chi - Ki - Qi is not for circus acts and does not perform unless it is
needed. There is intelligence behind the "Mystical energies" and its not
going to play with fools when it could be healing a sick person. I have
emailed Mr Randy to find out the protocols for the dowsing test (Thought it
might be in a faradic cage) and no reply. I have had muppets from the USA
(We have some great friend from the USA also LOL) saying if there is Chi
energy then I would be a millionaire, I said I would pay for the flight
teach them and they could go get the money and then pay me back for the
flight - no one took up the offer, I did say it would be a free holiday as
least!
Why has Dr Xin got an ego problem (I think I could improve on any qigong so
maybe its me with an ego problem LOL) sounds to me like he is working hard
on the good stuff!
If you know any thing of Qi in the martial arts then you must understand
that a good Master/Grandmaster can mess up the opponents chi (Great for us
old guys when arm wrestling down the pub, but just like Mr Randy Tony will
never pay up LOL). I can mess up anyone's dowsing, switch off pressure
points, stop strikes from affecting me etc. and so too can pig headed
sceptics. The mind can generate energy and it can be quiet strong in some
people, the unconscious mind can then give them the out come they want.
Healers have a hard time understanding what they are doing because of the
black and white scientific crap they have to put up with from poorly
educated people. I good quantum physicist would want 11 dimensions and an
infinite number of parallel universes and I don't hear them getting anything
other then Noble prices!
As a martial artist and healer, I offer idiots a contest of chi and take the
buggers out side, I do not get any offers so maybe chi does exist LOL
Healers heal and do not take up challenges for idiots that make there money
in stupid ways. I'm a warrior I'll take Mr Randy out side for a challenge
any day!
I have tested my healing and martial arts chi applications all over the
world and always got fantastic results;-
England, Wales, Scotland, Holland, South Africa, Germany, France, Greece,
USA, etc.
May the force be with you
Regards
Grandmaster Adlington




----- Original Message -----
From: "Paula Lucidi" <paulal@...>
To: <qiresearch@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [qiresearch] The Challenge


> >
>>       Dr. Yan Xin is considered to be the number one Qigong master. If
> they
>> want to refute the paranormal Qigong, then they should contact Dr. Yan
> Xin,
>>
>
> Hello,
>
> Sounds like Dr. Xin has an ego problem. If he's got a legitimate skill,
> then
> what's the big deal in going to them? Too much pride? Please that's a lame
> excuse. The organization is set up so that people go to them. Not everyone
> who is 'psychic is famous.
> Anyways, I want someone from the qi community to show some courage and
> prove
> this organization and the world. The only people that don't follow through
> are the delusional ones. I'm sure that qi healing is real but maybe it
> isn't
> and so that is why I am asking for people in this community to start
> pushing
> the healers to take this challenge.
> Otherwise, qigong will just be considered smoke and mirrors.
>
> Paula
>
>
>
>
>
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