A long overdue message from the owner of this discussion group.

I started this discussion group a very long time ago, when I had
published essays regarding my views on psychology and psychiatry.

The web has changed a lot since I started surfing.  My "free"
website where I posted my writing has long since vanished, although
1 or 2 articles can be found via Google.  Fortunately, I managed to
find my copies of the files, and hope to put them up on the web
again someday.

When my site vanished unexpectedly, I let the group go for awhile.
I didn't want to stifle any discussions that occurred, although I'd
still lurk.  I was also busy with work, and other interests.  But,
I'd like to see this group not only continue, but grow, and get
people to think, particularly those who are either students or
professionals.

In order to accomplish this, some new policies are in order, mainly
to reduce spam and irrelevant postings.

1. This is now a moderated group.  Any messages posted to the list
will need to be approved by me before being sent out to list members.

2. Only members are allowed to post.  No one can post via the web,
unless they sign up to become a member.

3. Archives of public posts are available to non-members.  This
allows people who are interested in the group to see if the topics
are to their liking.

4. New members of the group need to be approved by me.  The only
requirement is that you are interested in the science or practice of
psychology, psychiatry, or some other discipline that can be
categorized as a "social science."  That would also include
sociology, anthropology, economics, or any other related discipline.

5. Here is where I'm having trouble formulating a good policy.  Most
of the recent posts I've permitted have been harshly critical of
mental health professionals, but with little supporting evidence.

While I wouldn't say this criticism is undeserved, I do not want to
have the list turn into a forum for "psychiatric survivors" to
air their grievances with the mental health professions.

I would like the forum to discuss different aspects of current
theories which are either obviously wrong, but accepted for lack of
alternatives, or likely to be considered wrong in the future.

The history of science is littered with examples of theories that
were widely accepted, but later discovered wrong.  Despite their
claims of scientific status,  many areas of psychology, psychiatry,
or any other area of the "social sciences" are part truth, part
error, and part work of advocacy.  The job for each of us is to
figure out which is which.

People who use the services of mental health professionals are more
than welcome to post.  But I would hope they would think about their
criticism, and word it in a way that the professionals on this list
(and there are many) can learn from it and not fall into the
mistakes other practitioners make.  Criticism should be
constructive, not a broadside.

6. "Pseudoscience in Psychology" is not strictly devoted to the
mental health professions.  Pseudoscience abounds in the social
sciences--Personality theory, psychometric testing, sociobiology,
behavioral genetics, learning theory, etc. are all fair game, and
I'd hope some people would post more about them.

7. I have nothing against people who want to sell something.  But I
do have major problems with people who pester me with unwanted sales
pitches, and I take for granted that most members here have an even
lower tolerance for spam than I do.

If you have something to sell, and want to get your message to
people on this list, here is your best bet.  Post something RELEVANT
to the list, and put a link to your website in your SIGNATURE!

Have people get to know you, then maybe they will buy from you.

Obviously, any blatant sales pitches, threats, harassment, or
slander will be rejected.

Send any comments, questions, or policy proposals to:
kingowellness@...

In 1956, a famous psychiatrist Morris Schwartz phoned up a former practicing
nurse and nursing
professor, Emmy Lanning Shockley.  Schwartz told her that he had written a book
and that he would
like to use her name as one of its authors.  She had known Schwartz and
consented.  The name of
the book became "The Nurse and the Mental Patient".  Emmy L. Schockley had been
recently married
to William B. Schockley the Nobel Laureate.  She had previously quit her job as
nursing professor
at Ohio State University to move to California with her husband.

This should be in the annals of intellectual fraud and exploitation of women on
the part of psychiatry.

__________________________________________________
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Hi all,

I'm sending this to your yahoo group to encourage folks to adopt the views of,
and join the group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allianceagainstpsychiatry and to crosspost.


> To: allianceagainstpsychiatry@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:59:00 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [allianceagainstpsychiatry] Anti-psychiatry as part of your medical
records
>
> I tried posting this earlier today but apparently it didn't post from the
group website.
>
> I recently went to a medical clinic for a routine physical checkup.  Their
paperwork included a
> "patient bill of rights" that said I could refuse any test or treatment.  I
responded that I
> would
> refuse any form of psychiatry and I gave them a copy of my AAP membership card
for them to keep
> in
> their records.  Here it is again.  I'm sure it will make waves:
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Membership Card
>
> Alliance Against Psychiatry
>
> ______________________________
> Member Name
>
>
> The "mental health" movement
> is not allowed in this member's
> life.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/
> /group/allianceagainstpsychiatry
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------- Fold membership
card here and cut
> to
> wallet size.
>
> I do not consent to psychiatric
> observation, diagnosis, drugs,
> shock treatment, psychosurgery,
> restraint, surveillance, other "psychiatric
> treatment", or association with
> psychiatric personnel, whether or
> not I become disabled. If I consent
> otherwise in the future, it would be
> only under duress.
>
> ________________________
> Signature, date
>
>


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Sex fantasies,  are about all a psych victim gets,  during psych/
medical duress.

   They are rejected by their lovers,  for non performance .

   While they are knocked out by the meds, their mates , find it very
easy to

   cheat , and even feel right about doing it .

   Yet it is their lovers , who want the meds to continue for the so
called

   normalcy they create.

   Impotence is not so called normal.

   Psych , and psych meds ruin marriage, relationships, and make the
person

   using the meds unable even  to defend themselves going out to the
mail box for

   their disability check.

   The meds give the persons around them , full opportunity to steal
them blind.

   That of course , includes the psychs, beaming with joy from our
losses.

   Sub consciously psychs are a living wreck.

   Once shown themselves in the mirror, they eek, and repulse at their

   own image of twisted ugly abuse.

   They hate it , so they take it out on us even more .

   Sub consciously , it is them , they want to abuse the most, for
being abusers.

   To take nature away from a young person , just starting out in
life, then

   making them unable to make families, is the eugenicist way.

   Psychs are compulsive to extremes on this, I'm sure they hear the
voice

   in their heads saying, "I must , I must , I must correct this sub
human garbage

   for the sake of our great society".

   Poisoning the body , and the mind is just a part of their
propaganda , they must

   poison their victims  ability to socialize , and create life .

   As far as violent fantasies about our aggressors.

Our futures,  may be wiped out by any fantasy of rage,  or reprisal

against  those who  trespass  into our space.

If we fight against someone  working in the psych penal system

trying to take our lives ,  we are shocked , restrained ,
lobotomized  , and chemically

destroyed,  till we are unable to defend further against a psych
attacker.

Then we are considered manageable.

Psychs know all about this, its how they run their control.

Even though we are attacked, we are supposed to submit, daily.

Brutality is the means and ends of psychiatry.

IT IS BASIC PENAL CODE  PSYCHIATRY.



    Robert Grant

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So does anyone know that blupherospazm caused by
nuroleptics, is treated with botox injections.
Later the droopy stone face ruined nerves look terrible.

I wonder why so many newspeople get the botox shots
to look young.
They look like wax dummies insted .

Nuroleptics will blind, the user after repeated use.

Anti depressants , will cause you to wreck your car
and wet your bed.

Do psychs eat serotonin, for breakfast?
What about poached spam???

Anyone tie any knots for freedom lately.
If you are in the state facilities,  and you cant,  or refuse
to tie the knots, you will spend 6 months behind bars learning
how .

Funny , they pay more,   to keep someone  there, for  a year
than so many  psych  victims ,  can hope to make  at a full time
job ,in four.

Give us this day our daily nuroleptic virus med .
  Get in line, happy pills are served .
Yuch how gross , nuroleptics for dinner again,
pukers and gaggers.



Why does the gov pay a person $300,000  a year to spy
on someone who makes less than $40,000?

Lets have the pharm co lobby arested for bribery
and poisoning children .

Lets have spy trials here in the us to arrest and convict
anyone who spys on us  citizens .

Lets arest anyone , who tortures , anywhere in the world
then have them imprisoned for life.

Lets connect the crooked congressmen and pharm co
who take  kick back cash, to victimize children on ritalin
and god knows what else.

Lets jail the psychs responsible.

Lets stop torture anywhere , insted of downsizing it to
another country.

Robert

Is there a doctor/psychologist/therapist living in the vicinity of NYC
willing to give a therapeutic spanking to a lady living there (no
fees)?

My name's George.  I live in London and I'm mentoring the lady in
question.  She has some emotional problems and we both feel that she
would benefit from being spanked on a regular basis, and she has
expressed a preference for a person who is a qualified member of the
medical profession.

Please contact me for further details.  I will need to be convinced of
your professional affiliations.

I joined the Pseudoscience-in-Psych Discussion List in
October. Actually, I was hoping to find out why Alex
Chernavsky's Pseudoscience-in-Psych website had disappeared
from cyberspace. It hadn't been updated for over a year, but
the archives would have been worth keeping online. There was
a discussion forum, and I posted some remarks about the
APA's psych.org website. I kept a copy. Here it is:
__________________________________

Subject: How APA members see themselves

Does the masthead image on the American Psychiatric
Association's website say something about the way the
membership see themselves?

On the left there's a bald man in white coat and a
sour-looking woman in a white coat (a token psychiatric
nurse maybe?). On the right there's a 'nuclear family'
looking towards them in admiration ("Thanks for the Ritalin,
Doc!").

In between, the background is very dark, but it's possible
to make out (left-to-right) a brain scan, an EEG trace and
grouping of brain scans on one sheet. To be truly accurate
the masthead should have included several pill packs and a
pharmaceutical rep. with an armful of 'freebie' gifts for
the psychiatrist.
__________________________________

One thing that made laugh back then was the graphic of a
stethoscope on the home page. What the f*** does a
psychiatrist need a stethoscope for? Do they think they'll
be able to listen to the voices inside a schizophrenic's
head? Anyway, a regular contributor, Dave B.M., pointed out
that the APA logo shows the head of their founder, Benjamin
Rush, a man who subjected his patients to torture and
crackpot therapies. Yes, it's true. I found an article in an
online encyclopedia which said:

"Rush was also an advocate of forced psychiatric treatment.
According to historian of psychiatry Thomas Szasz, one of
Rush's favorite methods of treatment was to tie a patient to
a board and spin it at a rapid speed until all the blood
went to the head. He placed his own son in one of his
hospitals for 27 years, until he died. Rush also believed
that being black was a hereditary illness."

I'm mentioning this because I noticed on the APA website
recently that members are being asked to participate in a
Logo Survey. Have they realized that it's time to do away
with the reminder of Benjamin Rush's dubious legacy? There
is also a new flash animation banner image with four
pictures. The slogan on the banner says:

"Member driven - Science based - Patient focused"

I had to read it twice. At first I thought it said:

"Money driven - Pseudoscience based - drug focused"

Picture 1: Medical people. Two in white coats and one in a
surgical gown. Surgery for psychological distress? Wasn't
the inventor of lobotomy, Egas Moniz, shot and left
paralyzed by an ungrateful ex-patient?

Picture 2: A couple of clinicians examining a sheet of brain
scans.

Picture 3: Four shiny, happy people. Two who look like a
well-to-do retired couple, one young woman and a person of
color. None of them look like members of the urban poor, who
suffer the highest rates of psychiatric distress.

Picture 4: A woman in a white coat talking to two people in
business suits. Probably it's supposed to portray
relationship counselling, but it looks more like a
management meeting.

The pictures look clinical, not compassionate. The shiny,
happy people look like they were hired from an agency for a
one-off photo session.

Anyway, this is my way of introducing myself to the list
members.

Best regards,
Brad

Do mental health diagnoses seem as random to you as if they are
assembled from refrigerator magnets? They seemed that way to me when I
worked in a schizophrenia research lab and ran a psychiatric group
home. That's when I thought of the "DRM-I: Diagnostic Refrigerator
Magnets." I've been giving them away for Christmas for a few years.
They may be of interest to readers here, too. You can see them now at
www.psyches-tears.com/DRM.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb301377.htm

Coalition of Healthcare Administrative Management Professionals
(CHAMPS), www.champsnetwork.com is preparing its end of the year
Directory. The CHAMPS Directory: Your Resource Guide to Medical
Administration Companies and Services is a publishing effort by
CHAMPS' senior management team. We are in search of health care
professionals who can contribute articles for our fourth quarter
publication.

The theme for the Directory is "The Role of Networking in the
Healthcare Community". CHAMPS has members throughout the United
States. CHAMPS feels that articles submitted from professionals
throughout the representative regions would be and honor and
learning experience. Previous Directories can be found on the CHAMPS
website in the Forum area.

CHAMPS continues to accept ideas and comments from the health care
community which could enhance the information presented to its
readers. Contact CHAMPS at info@...

Should you decide to contribute an article to the Directory, please
use the criteria below as guidelines for your submission.
1) Length – 100-200 words
2) Submission deadline October 31, 2005
3) Information to include in the article:
• Do you belong to a professional organization?
• What type of networking opportunities has this organization
presented for you?
• Why is it important to join a professional organization?
• What are the advantages and disadvantages of belonging to a
professional organization?
• How have you benefited from joining this organization(s)?
• What type of support have you provided to your colleagues
via your professional organization?
• What measures have your organization taken to recruit
members for the future? What does this mean for your organization
for future goals and objectives?

CHAMPS looks forward to hearing from you soon.

As a social psychologist, I am through this amusing and cautionary
report attempting to raise public awareness of an emerging and
fascinating phenomenon known as group cyberstalking.

My report depicts psychological warfare and anti-personnel propoganda
in an unmoderated (and unfortunately-named) Usenet "news group" where
stalking, hacking, libel, intimidation is the order of the day (and
every day dating back to 1997), and strategies are deployed (and
labor divided among a group of socially facilitated and
deindividuated individuals) to manage information favorable to their
opinions on the Internet (e.g. "kook-ology" ; "net-kopping").

Bare in mind that among the cyberstalkers in the news group I use as
an illustration, are a number of academics and professionals
(including a former member of a State Board of Psychology Examiners).

I hope you enjoy it.

GANG PROFILE

http://www.fireflysun.com/book/sci.psychology.psychotherapy_stalker_pr
ofiles.php

MAIN CYBERSTALKING REPORT (E.G. STRATEGIES ; MOTIVES; HISTORY)

http://www.fireflysun.com/book/sci.psychology.psychotherapy.php

I agree completely
If you want the facts go to
http://totalitarian-pseudoscience.org

Hello,

I am new here.

MY name is Steve Meikle (if it does not show up) I am 46 and come
from NEw Zealand


I underwent my ordeal at the hands of the false religion that is the
psychiatric system back in 1982-3.  I had two choices: believe them
and become a shuffling wreck, brain damaged drug addicted and a
chronic invalid, or to reject the theory, which even when i was doped
up with Chlorpromazine, I was able to logically examine and find to
be bankrupt.

I have written an article on my stay in the local madhouse. I do not
expect you to agree with my moralistic take on my own condition, but
it has worked for me. Nevertheless I think that you might recognise
signs of psychiatric criminality in it.

Interested?

ALso I have a question. MY mother has just been diagnosed with
Alzheimers Disease. Is ALzheimers a real medical pathology? THey can
point to tangles and plaques in brain cells, but cannot say which
causes the condition or whether either or them do at all.

My mother is stil committed for the earth shattering reason that she
is disinclined to take a shower. Is this sloppy thinking or what?

My mood is to reject the diagnosis. IS this justified?

APA Addresses Ehrenfels-Stoked Skepticism for the Value of Research
Psychology PhD in Non-Academic (Non-University) Labor Market

from: http://www.fireflysun.com/book/careers_in_psychology.php

The American Psychological Association (APA) released the following
in a new page to apa.org:


Non-Academic Careers for Scientific Psychologists: Interesting
Careers in Psychology


True or False? The only career option for a scientifically-trained
psychologist is a faculty position in a college or university. The
answer is a resounding False!


In response to the concerns of many psychology graduate students
about the lack information on careers outside of the university
setting, we began inviting scientific psychologists with traditional
training to tell us about their work in some relatively non-
traditional places. The Interesting Careers in Psychology series is
a relatively small sampling of an infinite number of non-academic
careers that are possible--those who have "taken a different path"
relate their own experiences of how they got to where they are now
and the valuable lessons they learned along the way to
employment "beyond the lab."


The following Interesting Careers in Psychology articles illustrate
the various skill-sets and expertise that scientifically-trained
psychologists possess which are also highly valued by employers
outside of academe. The non-traditional career paths represented by
these personal success stories illustrate the different types of
unique contributions made by scientific psychologists in many
different employment settings.


Our goal is that these stories of successful and rewarding careers
outside of the academic arena will encourage graduate students and
new PhDs to vigorously explore the wealth of non-academic career
possibilities, especially in positions or arenas they may have never
considered before. A new Interesting Careers article is published in
almost every issue of Psychological Science Agenda (PSA) and will be
posted to this site shortly after publication, so bookmark this page
and visit regularly!


Response from Ehrenfels


The American Psychological Association hopes that you overlook the
admission broadly woven into the fabric of this press release,
namely that newly-minted research psychology PhDs unable to procure
tenure-track employment in a university -- and there are many --
have to get creative to find work even vaguely related to their
training. And judging by the work found by the individuals
interviewed for this press release, I'd say that what is out there,
if at all related to your training, is mainly related to generic
aspects of your training as a researcher. First and foremost, when
you select a branch of research Psychology as a domain of advanced
study, it is likely owing to some passionate (and in some cases,
quite impractical) interest in an issue or phenomenon. But if you
fail to procure tenure-track employment (and failure is an odd
choice of words given there are somewhere between 80 and 200 suitors
for every one tenure-track position), you will not only have to
forget your passion, but in all likelihood, you will have to set
aside your broader interest in Psychology as well, or at least
discipline your mind to telescope the psychological relevance of
some job/industry.


Given all the graduates who will not find tenure-track employment in
a university, I find compiling such a list a risky maneuver by the
APA. Sure, the APA hopes its readers will read its list of successes
in the spirit of small groups sampling and leave to your imagination
some desirable state of affairs in which the vast majority of
graduates find work similar to the folks in this "sample." Perhaps
now is the time to remind you that there are a lot of folks out
there who do not want to think of chosen career path as a waste of
time. I believe a lot of PhDs skew that National Science Foundation
survey by claiming they are employed in the field in which they were
trained despite their status as terminally adjunct instructors
working part-time entering numbers into some main frame for the
local real estate tax service. Pride and cognitive dissonance kicks
in, and graduates avoid viewing their future as a professional
variation of unrequited love. No one in Psychology seems to have any
interest in getting to the bottom of this. The 2.3% of doctorate
recipients surveyed who reported the job market as "bleak" is not a
statistic of any substance. How is it we ask MMPI respondents over
500 questions in lieu of lie scales, and yet when it comes to
assessing the employment status and satisfaction of our doctorate
recipients, we ask them a handful of leading and loaded questions.
Once again, I suspect there is no shortage of doctorate recipients
whose only meaningful employment is their gig teaching one section
of Intro Psych a semester for the local community college, but when
confronted with questions concerning their personal worth or the
worth of their career choice, they will tell you "I'm a psychology
professor," and they will tell you how hopeful someone they see
around the water cooler will one day spring them from the university
sweat shop and make them an assistant professor. It seldom works out
that way.


So let's examine how many psychology PhDs are actually employed full-
time. According to the cross-sectional employment data from the
National Research Council, it's only 74.9%. That does not exactly
inspire confidence, especially when you consider we do not know in
what capacity these psychology PhDs are employed. During my non-
psychology-related contract work as a technical writer for Fannie
Mae, I endured sporadic ribbing from good-natured colleagues joking
that psychology PhDs are working in abundance for Starbucks. So do
not take any comfort in the fact the vast majority of psychology
PhDs are able to find work. The fabric of our society has not
deteriorated to the point where we have a large class of chronically
unemployed doctors living in their cars, in the woods, or in their
parents' basement. They're working. My question is: in what capacity
are they employed? And is this what they envisioned when they began
their graduate training? Did they envision having to work outside
the university? Did they envision having to work in positions that
have nothing to do with psychology? Because if I want to work as a
risk assessment manager for ADT Security Systems (sounds like a nice
title), there are many other paths I could have taken to get there,
including paths that do not require PhDs let alone PhDs in
Psychology. Oh, and I would have liked to have been included in that
NRC survey. I am included in the National Science Foundation survey
statistics, but I did not count toward doctoral statistics because I
technically received their survey materials in the period between
the conferment of my masters and the conferment of my doctorate. By
the time the NSF phoned me for a follow-up interview, I had had my
doctorate for well over a year, but they refused to move me into the
doctoral category (so I did not count toward the unemployment
statistics).


Judging by the APA Research Office's bar graph, it would appear that
only 53% of psychology PhDs procured academic employment. Ouch!
That's a very slight majority when you consider that just about
everyone seeking a PhD in Psychology aspires toward a university
position. In fact, according to the Employment Settings for PhD
Psychologists graph, only 35% (again with the "ouch!") are employed
in a college, university, or med school. That's 35%. In case you're
just joining us, only 35% of Psychology PhDs are employed in a
college, university, or med school. That's less than the 40% who are
either self-employed or employed in for-profit business (working
behind the counter at Starbucks). You won't see that figure in the
graduate training prospectus. The employment of 33% of the research
PhDs falls into that highly precise "Business/Government/Other"
category, and this is where you find yours truly and your PhDs
working for Starbucks. I hate to be facetious with the data, but I
bring up the internal Fannie Mae Starbucks joke to underscore just
how this data falls short. Like most research in psychology, it
leaves me wanting. Only 3% are employed with the federal government.
Gee, I would have expected this figure to be higher given 8 of the
47 employed psychologists surveyed by the APA (that 17%) work for
the feds. Apparently, the APA could not resist the put its most
impressive achievements front and center, listing among psychology
PhD employers NASA, FBI, and the White House. (The White House has
just about one of everything working somewhere in its Executive
Building, and my friend, who happens to have a PsyD, is working in a
Human Resource capacity. I wonder if this is her. I'm sure the White
House has janitors, but I couldn't find any mention of this, let
alone any grandstanding, on the web site maintained by the National
Association of Professional Cleaners (NAPC)).


I was also intrigued by the disclaimer beneath the graph
titled "Primary Employment Settings of 2001 PhD and PsyD Recipients
in Psychology." The disclaimer, which unlike much of the web site
cannot be highlighted-and-copied, reads "Disproportionately high
percentages are represented in these categories as many recent
graduates are still gaining experience in these organized settings
prior to licensure." Ahh, APA, because these are relative
percentages, the inflated numbers for some categories throws off the
percentages for others. This data is meaningless, especially when
you consider that the raw tallies have not been made available.
According to your stats, only 9% of postdocs turned into permanent
positions. So just how many interns and residents are you counting
toward your employment figures? Sheesh!


My argument about academic employment (which is also that of
syndicated columnists like George Will) is supported by NSF data
from the graph titled "Changes in Employment Settings for PhD
Psychologists: 1973, 1983, 1993, and 2001," where the percentage of
PhDs employed in academic settings dropped from 55% in 1973 to 35%
in 2001. I'd cry ouch again, but I know by now you're tired of me
calling attention to all these virtual paper cuts. By contrast the
percentage of psychology PhDs employed in that business sector
(Starbucks) rose from 12% in 1973 to 41% in 2001. Remember:
psychology PhDs are not choosing to work in the business sector.
They are forced to forage through the Washington Post classifieds
after the prospects of tenure-track employment are made painfully
clear to them at some point during or after their doctoral training.
By now it should be clear to you the APA should have retitled their
careers page "Virtual Employment." By the way has anyone noticed yet
that the APA Research Office estimates the percentage of psychology
PhDs employed in academia for 2001 at 55% while the National Science
Foundation puts this figure at 43%. I examined the category
structures for each survey, which differ slightly but not in any way
that should account for this discrepancy. The APA and NSF just have
widely varying numbers on this.


Now for the fun part. The graph titled "Level of Satisfaction with
Aspects of Position Reported by Recent Doctorates in Psychology:
2001." Only 62% are satisfied with their income/salary (further
implicating Starbucks, although colleges do not pay very well). In
any event, we don't do this for the money, do we? I certainly didn't
spend my life since age 13 aspiring to research dreaming in a
university so I can buy a new sail for my boat. But the fact 38%
report dissatisfaction with their income supports my position that
many career-driven psych profs entered their graduate training with
misguided visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads. Only 55%
are satisfied with opportunities for promotion, which means a
substantial minority (45%) don't see a lot of room for advancement.
I'll admit that I am at a loss to explain how 75% of psychology PhDs
are satisfied with personal development opportunities, except to say
human beings are remarkably resilient in the face of disappointment
(i.e. cognitive dissonance). Opportunity for recognition? Only the
APA would add this to its list of social desirability checklist. If
you've spent any time in a department of Psychology, you understand
just how important recognition is to these folks. And I suppose I
can understand this. The all-too-common psych prof is not
intrinsically interested in his work, and there are so few extrinsic
rewards. They're not paid well. So too many psychology professors
live for the internal teaching awards, for seeing their name in
print on something that gets stored in a university library, for
hearing the word "Doctor" prepending their name, and let's not
forget about the admiration of undergraduates aged 18-22. In my
experience, I have encountered all-too many young female psych profs
who enjoy their control over male graduate assistants and all-too
many older male psych profs who want to feel loved by their female
undergraduates and who may enter into strange father-daughter type
relationships with some of their assistants. But by and large, any
overt gesture of respect from undergraduates is appreciated. And as
for the respect of their graduate students demonstrated implicitly
through imitation and/or obedience -- well -- that's as basic a
component of the academic climate as oxygen.


And since most of you psychology majors will not be admitted to
graduate training programs, I haven't forgotten you. According to
the "Occupational Characteristics of Baccalaureate Degree Recipients
in Psychology: 1999," only 3% are employed in "Psychology," with an
additional 23% employed in something "closely related." But you'll
find the bulk of Baccalaureate Degree Recipients in what I like to
call the hinterland, with 35% in e-e-e-e-e "Somewhat Related" Land,
33% in "Unrelated" Land, and 6% in "Other" Land. Apparently the
percentage of psychology majors who end in "Other Land" alone is
twice that of majors ending up in "Psychology" Land. Mmm. Mm. Where
do I sign up for this amortized de-matriculation?!


I would have liked to have reviewed the data for Primary and
Secondary Work Activities of Psychology PhDs, but the APA's link to
that graphic is broken.


I should also remind my readers that science ranks relatively low on
the list of the American Psychological Association's list of
institutional priorities. The APA may know very well how to use the
science moniker to advance these other agendas (i.e. advocacy,
legislative lobbying, fund-raising, media relations, regulation &
community management), but it is not a scientific organization
(something members of the American Psychological Society will likely
corroborate). So if the APA wants to sell anyone on its claims about
psychology research PhDs, it should employ a few research PhDs of
its own to compile meaningful employment data. Until they do that,
they have no business casting aspersions on the empirical worth of
my observations / assertions. I think it behooves someone in this
field, whether it be a professor or an APA administrator, to develop
an interest in following the careers of psychology majors with
graduate research aspirations from the time they submit their
applications for graduate training (5-12 B.C.) through the end of
the year after conferment of their PhD (1 A.D.). I'm not saying we
need a feature-length documentary, but I recommend we get some
meaningful data on this. The APA cannot counter my assertions with
the data they have.


Until the APA applies its own science to research PhDs employment
woes, I'm unwilling to accept its press releases as anything more
than giving its public persona a manicure. I remember the APA
deployed a similar tactic a few days after I disseminated across APA
listservs my evidence of widespread discrimination against
applicants with disabilities by psychologists employed at VA
hospitals. Within three days of my report (which could have been
used by the APA for the benefit of its community), the APA front-
paged its recommendations for parents of children with disabilities.

The New Freedom Commission Nears Authority to Expand Government Role
of Psychologists, Mandatory Mental Health Screening for Children

http://fireflysun.com/book/New_Freedom_Commission.php

Wyatt Ehrenfels
http://www.fireflySun.com/news.html

we don't live under Normal Conditions is an artful documentary film
challenging biopsychiatry on the causes of depression and mental illness.
Information about the film, sources, links and ordering information for the
newly released DVD can be found at:

http://www.aperiofilms.com/wdlunc.html

we don't live under Normal Conditions is an artful documentary
challenging
biopschiatry on the causes of depression and mental illness.  The
following
site offers information about the film, resoures, links and ordering
information.

http://www.aperiofilms.com/wdlunc.html

When practicing at a large psychiatric hospital, can someone explain
to me what is the difference between a Resident Therapist, Intern
Therapist, and Attending therapist? Which of the three usually has
more experience working with patients? Thank you

Very Mild ADHD

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ADHD_Bulletin_Board/

Can a few food additives (such as FD&C Yellow Food Color No. 5 and
the artificial sweetener, sodium saccharin) occasionally act like
very powerful drugs vs inert ingredients in a few people (not all
people)?

Rare true story about hidden food additives, paying attention, and
ADHD:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Tartrazine_and_ADHD/

Dear Friends,

Thank you everyone for your emails and comments on our website:
http://www.minnesotavocrehab.com

Your show of support for our cause has been overwhelming!

I'm sorry that I have not been able to contact everyone personally....

We still need your help here, are now asking that everyone who feels
that the comments in this textbook are promoting stigma and
discrimination for people with mental illness, to forward this message
to NAMI stigma busters:

smarch@...

We really need your help here!   We believe these published comments
are insulting, stigmatizing and discriminatory to persons with mental
illness.

Gary Fischler, psychologist for the Minnesota department of VR,
published a textbook, in which he teaches that people with
schizophrenia are "disinterested in promotions", recommends that all
people with depression need "simple tasks" and repetitive, supervised
work, and even that people with  some mental illnesses should work out
of the sight of the public and coworkers because they "look and act
odd".  He states that mental illness precludes high intelligence, and
that people from the "dramatic cluster"  "are a stick of dynamite
waiting for a match", and that they are a "danger in the workplace"
and must be supervised forcefully to "help prevent violent and
unethical behavior".

Quotes from his text titled: Vocational Impact of Psychiatric
Disorders; A Guide for Rehabilitation Professionals;   Gary
Fischler/Nan Booth  Aspen Publications 1999, include:

p. 170 "Counting on people with passive-aggressive personality disorder
is like counting on the weather ---you can't, and they will get you if
you try"

p. 170 "If interpersonal martyrdom were a virtue, the people in the
"anxious" group of personality disorders would be saints."

p. 81 "Greta Garbo's famous plea---" I want to be alone"-- may not
reflect a serious personality problem on her part, but it is the
rallying cry of those with schizoid personality disorder, or  it would
be if they were likely to rally."

p. 81 "These are the people who just might draw a gun and hold
       coworkers hostage after an unfavorable performance review."

For more quotes, please visit:
http://www.minnesotavocrehab.com/fischler.html

We need your help here!  Please forward this email or any other
communication to:

smarch@...

We also would appreciate an email campaign, or any kind of
communication on the subject to the powers that be at the state of
Minnesota. Gary Fischler gets about $200,000.00 a year in referrals
from the state of Minnesota. Please communicate your concerns to:

Governor Tim Pawlenty, Governor of Minnesota:
tim.pawlenty@...

Minneapolis, Star Tribune
metrostate@...

Senator Mark Dayton from Minnesota:
http://dayton.senate.gov/webform.html

Howard Glad, Director of Rehabilitation Services, (VR):
<Howard.Glad@...>

Matt Kramer, Commissioner of DEED (Designated state Agency):
matt.Kramer@...

Thank you all very much.  We truly need your help here!  If you do send
a communication to any of these on the list, may I ask that you copy me
as well, so I have an idea how many people have written?  Thank you
Sarah West
sarah@...

You might contact psychiatrist Loren Mosher at
MosherSchreiber@....

He might point you in the right direction.

Best of luck!

Regards,

Alex Chernavsky
alexc@...
http://www.astrocyte-design.com/

---- Original Message ----
From: "smplmn71108" <smplmn71108@...>
To: <pseudoscience-in-psych@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 5:59 PM
Subject: [pseudoscience-in-psych] Referral Listing ?

> I recently found this message board, and admittedly I have only
> performed a cursory search. However, throughout the internet, there
> doesn't seem to be a list or referal source for
> psychiatrists/psychologists who can offer alternative treatments to
> neuroleptic treatment.
> Can anyone assist me with this information, primarily for the E.
> Texas/NW Lousiaia area?
> thanks,
> Monte W. Thrash

I recently found this message board, and admittedly I have only
performed a cursory search. However, throughout the internet, there
doesn't seem to be a list or referal source for
psychiatrists/psychologists who can offer alternative treatments to
neuroleptic treatment.
Can anyone assist me with this information, primarily for the E.
Texas/NW Lousiaia area?
thanks,
Monte W. Thrash

Twin Cities influential psychologist publishes insults, disseminates
discriminatory philosophy:

"Counting on people with passive-aggressive personality disorder is like
counting on the weather ---you can't, and they will get you if you
try." p. 170

"If  interpersonal martyrdom were a virtue, the people in the "anxious"
 
group of personality disorders would be saints." p.  170

"Greta Garbo's  famous plea---" I want  to be alone"-- may not reflect a
serious personality problem on her part, but it is the rallying cry of
those with schizoid personality disorder, or it would be if they were
likely to rally." p. 81


Gary Fischler actually states that people with "schizophrenia" are
"disinterested in promotions" and will actually be damaged if they are
promoted. He states that most people with "mental illness" should not
work with others because they are "distracting" and "look and act odd".
That ALL people with depression should be limited to simple
tasks....etc...

Gary Fischler is Minnesota Voc Rehab's chief psychologist, seeing over
800 people a year, and Minneapolis Police dept. chief psychologist.
Please help! For more quotes see
http://www.minnesotavocrehab.com/fischler.html

We need support outside of Twin Cities. Everyone in this city knows
this person and is unwilling to take a stand against philosophy!

Thanks everyone,
Sarah West
sarah@m...
swest4@q...


Vocational Impact of Psychiatric Disorders; A Guide for Rehabilitation
Professionals;   Gary Fischler/Nan Booth  Aspen Publications 1999

http://www.psycheval.com/vocational_impact.htm

>>>From: "jwyattehrenfels" <jwyattehrenfels@...>
>>>Subject: OKTV Releases Broadcast Schedule for Psych Critic Ehrenfels
>>>Student advocate, social psychologist, author, and psych critic Wyatt
Ehrenfels ... addressed the 'para-skeptical contempt' with which psych profs
manage a neglect and distortion of this phenomenon.<<<

Howso neglect & distortion? If they neglect, then they can't actively
distort; if they distort, then they're not negelcting. Seems difficult these
days to distinguish establishment critics (regardless of cause celebre) from
the establishment hawkers when they appear to be competing for
contradictions, inconsistencies, & obfuscations. Avocations are admirable;
communicating them less so.

KINDLY FORWARD TO A PSYCH MAJOR

http://www.fireflySun.com/news.html

Student advocate, social psychologist, author, and psych critic Wyatt
Ehrenfels traveled to North Jersey, where he was interviewed by
Communications Commissioner for Oakland, NJ, Al DiGiacomo. Ehrenfels
was asked to appear on two episodes of a cable access program,
Alternatives. PART I of the interview, airing every week in May,
addressed his cancer psychology dream research, adverse impact for
dream researchers, and the 'para-skeptical contempt' with which psych
profs manage a neglect and distortion of this phenomenon. PART II,
airing every week in June, addresses Ehrenfels's critique of
psychology and its public instrument, the book "Fireflies in the
Shadow of the Sun." Other topics included Wyatt's critique of
knowledge production in Psychology,  the "Shadow DSM," and efforts by
psych profs to keep Ehrenfels from reaching their students. In
addition to numerous state politicians, other noted guests on
DiGiacomo's program included consumer advocate and Green Party
Presidential candidate Ralph Nader, John Hagelin, Natural Law
Party candidate, actress Rita Moreno, and researcher Robert Cohen.

Whatever you think of Ehrenfels's "expeditionary" research or the
philosophy of science that puts him at odds with his peers, Ehrenfels
is widely praised for his dissemination of the obstacles to graduate
admission and post-bacceleaurate employment that dog psych majors and
that psych professors are reluctant to disclose.

With the consent of OK-TV, public access television serving the
Borough of Manhattan (New York) contacted Ehrenfels for a copy of the
tape to re-broadcast the interviews. The interview is expected to open
doors for the psychology critic, who was authorized with the blessing
of OKTV to distribute the tape to distributors of public access
television across the country.

http://www.fireflySun.com/news.html