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#73 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Wed Apr 5, 2006 8:43 pm
Subject: WebMD: Treatment Delay OK for Prostate Cancer
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#74 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Wed Apr 5, 2006 8:49 pm
Subject: WebMD: Prostate Cancer Choice a Coin Toss?
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#75 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
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Subject: NPCC: Omega-3 Fatty Acids Fight Prostate Cancer
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#76 From: <darrylmit@...>
Date: Thu Apr 6, 2006 2:52 am
Subject: NYC HIFU for Prostate Cancer Treatment Lecture
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Malecare November Lecture in New York City  Tuesday,
April 11, 2006 at  6PM,  10 Union Square East, between
14th and 15th Street, second floor  auditorium.
Free and Open to all.  Reservations not needed.

HIFU technology (High Intensity Focused Ultrasound)
presented by Ivan  Grunberger, MD
A new, relatively non-invasive, precise local
treatment in one  session, repeatable if necessary,
with a short period of hospitalization and a  low
complication rate. Suggested for newly diagnosed
patients who wish an  alternative to surgery or
previously treated patients who are experiencing a
reoccurrence.
Audience questions welcome!  Presented by the
nonprofit, Malecare, now in our eighth year of
providing prostate cancer information and support
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Note: This lecture is rescheduled from November, 2005,
when Dr.  Grunberger had to cancel to save a patients'
life.  I believe that patient  still lives,
and, I hope you all are still interested in hearing
him speak on  this promising treatment for prostate
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#77 From: "Bickford, Tom" <thb@...>
Date: Thu Apr 6, 2006 3:00 pm
Subject: RE: [prostatecancerunder40] NYC HIFU for Prostate Cancer Treatme nt Lecture
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Thank you Darryl. Send me a plane ticket and I'll be there. Haha. Just joking. I have always wanted to see New York. Oklahoma (where I live) and New York have close ties.

 

I am doing great so far as I know. I have a checkup in a few days. The cancer is supposed to be gone for good, but whoever knows for sure?

 

Thanks for the news. I had a radical prostatectomy in January of 2005. Implant surgery in August of 2005. I have moved on with my life except for the occasional contact with CSN website. I may pass this on to them. With your permission of course.

 

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Malecare November Lecture in New York City  Tuesday,
April 11, 2006 at  6PM,  10 Union Square East, between
14th and 15th Street, second floor  auditorium.
Free and Open to all.  Reservations not needed.

HIFU technology (High Intensity Focused Ultrasound)
presented by Ivan  Grunberger, MD
A new, relatively non-invasive, precise local
treatment in one  session, repeatable if necessary,
with a short period of hospitalization and a  low
complication rate. Suggested for newly diagnosed
patients who wish an  alternative to surgery or
previously treated patients who are experiencing a
reoccurrence. 
Audience questions welcome!  Presented by the
nonprofit, Malecare, now in our eighth year of
providing prostate cancer information and support
groups .
For more information, see www.malecare.com   or email
to info@...

Note: This lecture is rescheduled from November, 2005,
when Dr.  Grunberger had to cancel to save a patients'
life.  I believe that patient  still lives,
and, I hope you all are still interested in hearing
him speak on  this promising treatment for prostate
cancer.  Darryl Mitteldorf

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#78 From: "brosammyuk" <sammy_bates@...>
Date: Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:18 am
Subject: Seminal discovery
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Hi All !



As the author observed toward the end of this highly interesting and
entertaining newsletter: " .. it's the seminal discovery about vitamin
D. .. " - but read on dear reader, read on. Take note of comments
regarding safe upper limits; cod liver oil (avoidance thereof, due to
Vitamin A competition with VDR); high level prevention of a host of
maladies (including prostate cancer, MS, periodontal disease and
psychiatric illness); and last and perhaps most controversial of all
the link between profound vitamin D deficiency and race. In the USA
this link applies to Black Americans, but I would add the dark-skinned
diaspora from around the globe who have settled in the USA, as well as
Native Americans. Because of Globalisation, I'd put Europe into the
problematic equation faced by America. In some European countries
Moslems constitute 10% of the population, and Moslem women who cover
themselves from head to foot in our dark climates are particularly
vulnerable to vitamin D deficiency leading to birth defects including
fetal brain damage. Enjoy the read, and don't forget that every
reference made here is backed up by studies available on PubMeb, many
of them Free Full Text.



Sammy.







The Vitamin D Newsletter

May, 2006



This is a periodic newsletter from the Vitamin D Council, a non-profit
trying to end the epidemic of vitamin D deficiency.  If you don't want
to get the newsletter, please, please, please, hit reply and let me
know.



This newsletter is not copyrighted.  Please reproduce it and post it
on Internet sites.  Not yet signed up for the free newsletter?  Click
on Vitamin D Newsletter and follow the directions.  I will post this
newsletter as a PDF on the website.



This month we will start with a question from a reader in Chicago and
then see if the Vitamin D Conference just finished in Victoria,
British Columbia, answered any of his questions.



Dear Dr. Cannell:

I have been following the research on Vitamin D for several years now
- ever since I learned of the connection between vitamin D and
multiple sclerosis (my father died from that disease.)  I have also
been receiving your very interesting newsletter and review the
Cholecalciferol Council website frequently.  My training is in
physics, biochemistry, and anthropology from Stanford, and have
several publications in chemistry, pharmacology, and laser physics so
I appreciate the scientific updates.  I am currently 42 years old.  I
had a few questions for you which I was hoping you might be able to
address.  I also wanted to give you some anecdotal evidence of my own
experience with vitamin D, for what that's worth.  I understand
whatever reply you might give to me does not constitute "medical
advice," but just your opinion.

About a year ago, I started taking about 2000 units of cholecalciferol
a day (sometimes 4000 a day) - I noticed no significant differences in
my health either good or bad.  This winter I received your update
about vitamin D and influenza.  Not long after this, I came down with
the flu - a very bad case.  I had read most of Heaney's articles on
Vitamin D, as well as Holick's and others', so I knew that the human
body can produce about 10,000 units a day in the summer sun in only
15-30 minutes, and had read all the statistics on Vitamin D overdose
and toxicity, so I figured that upping my intake to 10,000 units a day
for a few weeks might help me get over my terrible flu quicker, and
certainly couldn't hurt me.  I did up my intake to that level (this
was about February 12th).  It did not seem to speed up the recovery
from my cold.  I was pretty sick for two-three weeks.

However, after the cold ended, I started to notice several good things
happening to my body.  Things much improved.  The first thing that I
noticed was that certain signs of inflammation that have been a
problem for me for many years went away.  I have had major periodontal
disease for about 10 years, and nothing has helped very much.  However
in about a month of taking 10,000 units a day of cholecalciferol, much
of my gum tissue healed significantly, stopped receding and became
significantly less painful.  I was overjoyed!  In addition to this, my
skin - which has often been red and inflamed (not psoriasis or
anything clinical, just very red) became much better - clear, smooth
and not red.  The redness almost entirely disappeared!  Five other
things improved noticeably as well.  My sense of smell became, I would
estimate, 5 times as sensitive as it had been.  I guess my sense of
smell was just average before - but now all of a sudden, I can smell
all kinds of subtle distinctions that I never could before.  It is
EXTREMELY noticeable.  In addition to this, my sense of balance
improved markedly and my guitar playing improved (I'm able to shift
cords faster).  Additionally, I began to sleep much better.  The
fourth thing I noticed was that my mood brightened noticeably - I was
just happier.  Finally, (and this is a little embarrassing) my semen
quality and quantity went way up.  Does vitamin D help semen?

As you can well imagine, I was overjoyed, feeling like I had found
some magic fountain of healing for many of my ailments.  I felt like
an almost new person-the improvements to my life were NOT subtle!!



Then, my doctor told me 10,000 units a day was toxic.  Immediately
after that, I started becoming nauseous every time I took vitamin D.
Could I be toxic?


Philip, Chicago.

Dear Philip:



If you are toxic from vitamin D, you are the first person in the world
to become toxic after taking 10,000 units a day for two months.  That
said, you need to have a 25(OH)D and calcium blood test.  I predict
your level will be about 80 ng/ml, well below the toxic range, and
your blood calcium to be normal.  However, in my opinion, everyone
taking more than 2,000 units per day should have periodic 25(OH)D
levels until the government changes its Upper Limit.  By the way,
unless you are fighting a life-threatening disease, there is just no
reason to regularly take more than 5,000 units a day, and then only in
the winter unless you assiduously avoid sunlight.



I'm not surprised that 10,000 units per day had no effect on the flu.
  In my experience, one has to take 1,000 units per kilogram of body
weight for three days early in the course of the illness to have an
effect (that's 50,000 units a day for three days for a 110-pound
person, taken early in the course of the illness - just like
antivirals).  As far as the other benefits you described, I have heard
them all, except for the improved sense of smell.  You'll be
interested in what scientists reported in Victoria.



Victoria Conference



The Vitamin D Conference just finished in Victoria was nothing short
of spectacular.  On the bus into Victoria, I met a representative from
the National Cancer Institute whose job was simple: her bosses at the
NIH wanted to know if they should fund the flood of grant requests
about vitamin D.  Given the quality of the papers presented, I can't
imagine her answer was anything but yes.



Dr. Tony Norman and Dr. Roger Bouillon, the conference organizers, had
to choose from over 300 submissions from scientists around the world.
  The venerable Dr. Bouillon did not try to back off his recent widely
quoted warning that more than a billion people in the world are
vitamin D deficient.  Both men did a great job balancing presentations
on vitamin D nutrition, vitamin D basic science, and the patentable
vitamin D analogs sought by drug companies.  Of course, I thought more
time should have been devoted to vitamin D nutrition but Dr. Norman
pointed out that more time was devoted to vitamin D nutrition than
ever before.  Like Dr. Norman, I am unable to comment on all the
presentations that merited it, or this newsletter would be 50 pages long.



It was painful to hear the scientists use ten different names (and
interchangeably) for vitamin D, for 25-hydroxy-cholecalciferol, and
for 1,25- dihydroxy-cholecalciferol.  Some even called ergocalciferol
vitamin D!  Can you imagine scientists using the same name for
cholesterol, pregnenolone, testosterone, and estradiol?  They do
exactly that with vitamin D.  Editors of the major journals will not
accept reasonable names like "vitamin D" for cholecalciferol,
"calcidiol" for 25-hydroxy-cholecalciferol, and "calcitriol" for
1,25-dihydroxy-cholecalciferol.  The presentations would have been
much smoother if scientists could get together and give vitamin D and
its metabolites common names like other steroid hormones.



Dr. Barbara Gilchrest, who fired Dr. Michael Holick from one of his
professorships several years ago after Holick wrote a book saying God
knew what she was doing when she created sunlight, gave the Plenary
Lecture.  Wisely, Dr. Gilchrest overwhelmed the audience with graphic
pictures of invasive skin cancer to support her argument that sunlight
is evil.  Of course, it's harder to show pictures of invasive colon
cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, and the 15 other internal
cancers caused by sunlight deprivation.



However, Dr. Gilchrest is changing her mind.  George Bernard Shaw once
said, "Progress is impossible without change; and those who cannot
change their minds, cannot change anything."  Dr. Gilchrest is
changing her mind - not about the evils of sunlight - about vitamin D.
  She is in the process of admitting that this miraculous substance has
benefits beyond bone.



Two years ago, she dismissed any concerns about vitamin D with a "take
a multivitamin if you are concerned."  Now she believes the Food and
Nutrition Board needs to consider raising both the Adequate Intake
recommendations (how much one should take every day) as well as the
Upper Level (the amount one can take on your own, without being under
a doctor's care, and without fear of toxicity).  My compliments to Dr.
Gilchrest.



One of the most interesting things I learned in Victoria is that
scientists from England, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and the rest
of the world, do not understand the "American Decade Rule."  The rule
clearly states that if a U.S. scientist and a foreign scientist both
discover the same thing in the same decade, the American gets total
credit for it, even if the foreigner discovered it first.



Case in point: the discovery of the potent steroid hormone, activated
vitamin D or calcitriol, a discovery so important that it regularly
starts rumors of a Nobel Prize.  Dr. Holick, Dr. Schnoes, and Dr.
DeLuca announced their discovery of calcitriol in April of 1971.  A
group in England, led by Dr. Lawson and Williams, published the same
discovery in Nature, in March of 1971, a month earlier.  Members of
the same English group, Dr. Fraser and Dr. Kodicek, discovered the
kidneys make calcitriol in November of 1970, a full six months
earlier.  However, both English discoveries were within a decade of
the Americans.  Therefore, the "American Decade Rule" applies and the
Americans get total credit.  I was surprised that scientists from the
Commonwealth find the rule so hard to understand.

Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1971 Apar(4):803-4.

Nature. 1971 Mar 26;230(5291):228-30.

Nature. 1970 Nov 21;228(5273):764-6.



Dr. Heike Bischoff-Ferrari did a wonderful job, not just presenting
her data that optimal vitamin D blood levels need to be at least 40
ng/ml, but for presenting Dr. Ed Giovannucci's data (who had to cancel
for personal reasons).  Dr. Bischoff-Ferrari reminded us that
periodontal disease in inversely related to vitamin D blood levels.
She also reminded us that there is strong scientific evidence that
vitamin D improves neuromuscular performance in older people.  She
didn't tackle the logical next question: will adequate levels of one
of the most potent steroid hormones in the body improve neuromuscular
performance in younger people, such as that need for optimal athletic
or musical performance?  Philip, whose email to me is above, and other
readers of this newsletter have been telling me: yes, yes, yes.



Dr. Bischoff-Ferrari then presented Dr. Giovannucci's data that one
reduces your risk of all cancers about 17% for every 10 ng/ml of
vitamin D in your blood.  For cancer of the digestive system, the risk
reduction is 43%.  His data indicates all Americans should be taking
about 2,000 IU per day and some Americans need even more to minimize
cancer risk.  No one know where the curve flattens out; that is, no
one knows how much further cancer reduction one gets from 20, 30, or
40 ng/ml incremental increases in blood levels.



The section on the enzymes that metabolize vitamin D reminded me how
much we don't know about vitamin D.  Millions of Americans take
psychiatric and other medications that interfere with the same system
of enzymes (cytochrome P-450) that metabolize vitamin D.  We've known
for a long time that some medications taken for epilepsy (Dilantin,
phenobarbital, Tegretol) reduce vitamin D blood levels.  However,
which medications increase levels?  I have seen a number of cases of
higher than expected levels in patients taking psychiatric medications
metabolized by cytochrome P-450 enzymes and some non-psychiatric
medications interfere with these same enzymes.  This practical area of
clinical medicine needs more research.



Dr. Robert Heaney presented by video hookup and made his quiet but
powerful case that about 75% of American women are vitamin D deficient
(levels less than 35 ng/ml), that about 3,000 units a day are needed
to bring 95 % of the population out of the deficient range, and that
10,000 units a day is the safe upper limit.  (This does not mean you
should take 10,000 units per day, it means scientists should be able
to study 10,000 unit daily doses without the bureaucratic difficulty
they now encounter).



Dr. Kimball, working with Dr. Reinhold Vieth, presented data that
children (age 10 -17) only increased their average blood level by 11
ng/ml when given 14,000 units per week for eight weeks and that such
dosing was safe.  Dr. Vieth is also trying to fill another need in
vitamin D clinical science.  We need a trial of healthy volunteers
taking 20,000 units per day for two or three years.  Do blood levels
stabilize with oral dosing as they do with sun exposure?  Does skin
production produce other vitamin D compounds, like dihydrotachysterol,
which inhibits the production of calcitriol and thus protects against
vitamin D toxicity?  Do other vitamin D variants made in the skin
induce the metabolism of vitamin D, lower levels, and protect against
toxicity?

J Biol Chem. 1972 Dec 10;247(23):7528-32.



Does 20,000 units a day for years have any ill effects?  Does it
affect blood or urine calcium?  One study from the 1980's showed
10,000 units a day caused loss in bone density but they used a vitamin
D analog (ergocalciferol) which is a xenobiotic (generally foreign to
the human body).  Therefore, we still don't know what 20,000 units of
real vitamin D (cholecalciferol) would do if given for several years.


Dr. Bruce Hollis presented data that reminded us of two overlooked
facts: (1) techniques to measure vitamin D in the blood have
significant reliability problems, and (2) vitamin D is the only
steroid hormone system in the body in which substrate starvation is
the rule.  That is, only the vitamin D steroid hormone system is
chronically short of the substance needed (vitamin D) to fully
activate the system.  Dr. Reinhold Vieth discussed the second fact in
his chapter in Feldman's most recent, and invaluable, textbook:
Vitamin D.



Dr. Hollis presented evidence in Victoria that levels of at least 40
ng/ml are required to normalize the enzyme kinetics of vitamin D.
[When I say vitamin D blood levels, I'm referring to 25(OH)D levels;
Bruce is studying actual vitamin D levels (cholecalciferol) as well as
25(OH)D levels].  Dr. Hollis continues giving pregnant and lactating
South Carolina women about 4,000 to 6,000 units a day in an ongoing
study.  We predict easier pregnancies and less depression in the moms
- lower prenatal and perinatal mortality, fewer birth defects, fewer
infections, less diabetes, less psychiatric illness, less asthma,
stronger bones, and higher IQs in the children.



Dr. Paul Lips and Dr. Susan Whiting presented upsetting evidence that
vitamin D deficiency is the rule in most of the world; one exception
is the Scandinavian countries were vitamin D levels are the highest in
Europe, probably due to their cod liver oil.  Unfortunately, hip
fractures in these same countries are the highest in Europe, probably
from the excessive vitamin A in cod liver oil.  Stay away from cod
liver oil.

Osteoporos Int. 1992 Nov;2(6):298-302.



Dr. Hathcock did a great job reviewing the evidence that doses below
10,000 units per day have never been shown to be toxic and that
10,000, not 2,000, units per day should be the Upper Limit.  He, like
so many others, urged the Food and Nutrition Board to revise their
outdated recommendations.  Moreover, I understand from knowledgeable
people at the conference that the Food and Nutrition Board is planning
to do just that.  Yes!!!!!!



Dr. Dixon presented fascinating evidence that high vitamin D blood
levels prevent sunburn!  Of course, it makes sense.  When vitamin D
levels are low, the skin stays as white as it can to make as much
vitamin D as it can, just in case you ignore Dr. Gilchrest's advice.
When vitamin D levels are high, the skin rapidly tans to prevent
excessive vitamin D skin production.  A number of people have emailed
me that observation: now that their levels are high, they tan very
quickly.  I've noticed the same thing.



Dr. Marie Demay presented her basic science research that vitamin D is
involved in hair follicles.  I loved her talk although she's a
scientist and I'm a psychiatrist so I didn't understand much of what
she said.  However, I've always thought that vitamin D will really
take off once science shows it's involved in any of three things: sex,
athletic performance, or hair growth.  In Victoria, we saw evidence
for neuromuscular (athletic) performance and hair growth.  Two out of
three isn't bad; great job, Dr. Demay!  In the way of full disclosure,
my semi-baldness has not improved on vitamin D, but it has stopped
getting worse.



Dr. Cedric Garland recounted how, 26 years ago, he and his brother
Frank first thought about the relationship between vitamin D and colon
cancer.  The brothers, together with colleague Ed Gorham, were the
first to provide epidemiological evidence that vitamin D deficiency is
involved in numerous cancers.  Their seminal 1980 paper is going to be
reprinted, a well-deserved honor.

Int J Epidemiol. 1980 Sep;9(3):227-31.




Dr. Thadhani and his group from Harvard reviewed their recent
discovery that calcitriol and similar drugs increase survival in
patients with renal failure.  He also presented evidence that renal
failure patients have profound deficiencies of both calcitriol and
vitamin D and their vitamin D deficiency is not corrected by giving
calcitriol or its analogs, which is the current practice.



Of course, Dr. Robert Modlin stole the show when he reported on his
research just published in Science that vitamin D may be, in effect, a
powerful antibiotic.  For the first time, the UCLA group showed that
when researchers add vitamin D to African American blood, their blood
makes more of the natural antibiotics that humans rely on the fight
infection.  Dr. Adrian Martineau, from the Imperial College in London,
followed Modlin and showed vitamin D helped fight tuberculosis,
probably from increasing these same natural antibiotics.  Science has
discovered more than 200 of these naturally occurring antimicrobial
peptides; they are especially prevalent in the upper and lower
respiratory tract; at least one inactivates the influenza virus.
Let's not forget that two other groups have also recently shown the
antibiotic potential of vitamin D.

Science. 2006 Mar 24;311(5768):1770-3.

J Immunol. 2004 Sep 1;173(5):2909-12.

FASEB J. 2005 Jul;19(9):1067-77.

J Virol. 1986 Dec;60(3):1068-74.



Two hundred and sixteen papers were relegated to poster presentations
and all 216 of these scientists thought they should have been chosen
to present, as did I.  Of course, that would have meant a month-long
conference.  I only have space to mention of few of the most
interesting.  Dr. Lu presented evidence that the vitamin D content of
fish is much less than previously thought, including mackerel.  Salmon
is OK but the vitamin D almost disappears when the salmon is fried.
Dr. Kimball presented a case series of 12 patients with multiple
sclerosis who are now on 40,000 units vitamin D a day with an average
blood level of 180 ng/ml (the highest is about 400 ng/ml) and they
have no evidence of toxicity or calcium disturbances!!!  (Don't do
this on your own; they have a very serious illness, doses were
gradually increased, and the patients are being monitored closely.)



Dr. Hardin, from Columbia University, presented evidence that blood
levels above 50 ng/ml should help patients with lupus.  A group from
the University of Manchester presented the mechanism by which vitamin
D should reduce arteriosclerosis.  A group from the University of
Chicago presented evidence that vitamin D should not only prevent
colon cancer, but help treat it as well.  Dr. Robert Scragg of the
University of Auckland presented evidence that ethnic differences in
vitamin D levels explain a significant proportion of the reason
African Americans are more hypertensive than whites.  The group from
San Diego presented evidence that vitamin D deficiency is intimately
involved in breast, colon, and ovarian cancer.



A group from the University of Manitoba presented evidence that
one-month-old infants tolerate 2,000 units of vitamin a day for three
months quite well without any evidence of adverse effects.  A group
from Wake Forest University demonstrated that higher vitamin D levels
were associated with better neuromuscular (athletic) performance in
older Americans (should help younger Americans too).  A group from the
University of Amsterdam showed that the increased risk of falling from
vitamin D deficiency is much worse in people with a common genetic
variation of the vitamin D receptor. Dr. Chen presented evidence that
plain old vitamin D should prevent prostate cancer.



Dr. Barsony, of Georgetown University, presented evidence that low
blood sodium is a risk factor for vitamin D deficiency and that such
deficiencies may not be able to be corrected until the low blood
sodium is corrected.  Dr. Barsony really thought outside the box to
discover this potentially very important clinical finding.  Dr. Godar
presented evidence that young Americans, not just older Americans, are
not getting much vitamin D from sunlight.  Dr. Taylor showed evidence
that a significant number of young children have a previously
undetected form of vitamin D in their blood.  (Sunlight triggers the
creation of a number of different versions of vitamin D in the skin,
that's why it's risky to avoid the sun and only depend on oral vitamin
D.)   Dr. Patel and a group from the University of Manchester
announced evidence that vitamin D deficiency may be involved in
inflammatory polyarthritis.



Dr. Grant was involved in six presentations; the most interesting was
his replication of a 1937 finding that squamous cell skin cancer
reduces one's risk for a number of internal cancers.  That's why I
used to be so happy when my dermatologist found a squamous cell cancer
on my skin.  However, now that I maintain my level at about 60 ng/ml,
he hasn't been able to find any new ones.

Peller S, Stephenson CS. Skin irritation and cancer in the United
states Navy. Am J Med Sci: 1937;194:326-333.



Dr. Bulmer and his group from the Royal Victoria Infirmatory produced
evidence that vitamin D may play a role in allowing fertilized ova to
implant in the uterus and thus enhance fertility.  Dr. Reichrath
presented evidence that transplant recipients are at a high risk for
vitamin D deficiency and that 50,000 units once a month may be the
most practical way of ensuring sufficiency.  Dr. Selby from the
University of Manchester found the same problem in patients with
chronic pancreatitis.  A group from the University of Tennessee found
the same problem in African Americans with heart failure.  A group
from Norway confirmed that cancer patients do better if they are
diagnosed when vitamin D levels are the highest.



Finally, the Australian group headed by Dr. Darryl Eyles and Dr. John
McGrath continue to present their convincing evidence (confirmed at
this meeting by Dr. Abreu and a group from France) that profound
maternal vitamin D deficiency in mammals causes permanent brain damage
in their offspring.  The racial implication of their work is
overwhelming because most of the women in the USA who are profoundly
deficient are African American.  Are African Americans more likely to
be born brain damaged than whites?  Would pennies worth of vitamin D
improve the disparate prenatal, perinatal, and postnatal outcome in
African Americans?  The sad fact is that McGrath's and Eyles' work
will continue to be ignored because our society has no way to
rationally discuss, assimilate, or act on such racially charged
scientific discoveries.



So, Philip, to answer your question, I don't think you are vitamin D
toxic.  Your physician just hasn't been keeping up with the
literature.  When he told you that you might be toxic your mind took
over and caused the nausea - much like it does when you eat a
contaminated hamburger, get food poisoning, become violently ill, and
then become nauseous at the sight of a perfectly good hamburger for
the rest of your life.  That's my psychiatric explanation (which makes
sense from an evolutionary viewpoint as well).  Nevertheless, you
should ask your doctor for a 25(OH)D level.



As far as your semen question, you are really asking if a powerful
steroid hormone could have an effect on male ejaculation.  Actually
two other men have reported the same thing to me in emails.  If so,
it's the seminal discovery about vitamin D.  Most men could care less
about vitamin D preventing cancer, heart disease, arthritis, or fetal
brain damage.  However, if it increases the volume of their semen . . . .



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#79 From: Charles Hicks <allstar003@...>
Date: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:02 pm
Subject: hello
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my name is charles
my gleason is 8 and psa 25.7 i have not had any
treatment and it's been 3 months since diag. my doctor
wants me to have imrt radiation and hormone therapy.
can anyone share there experience with this type
treatment ? i am 43.

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#80 From: "John (aka) az4peaks@..." <az4peaks@...>
Date: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:45 am
Subject: RE: [prostatecancerunder40] hello
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Hi Charles, - I have voluntarily counseled hundreds of men men with Prostate
Cancer (PCa) for nearly 10 years.  Although I have not had the treatments you
cite in your Post, I am an avid researcher on the subject of the disease and its
treatments and I am familiar with the treatments you mention and the other
available options.  As I am sure you know, you are very young to have PCa and
therefore many of the statistics available are not equally applicable to you as
a younger man, since they are dominated by older population segments.  However,
you do not have very favorable numbers and should not unnecessarily delay making
an informed decision about your treatment choice.

If you feel I can help you understand your situation better, I would be able
happy to talk with you to answer any questions you may have.  My telephone
number is 480/ 515-2228 in Scottsdale, AZ.  If long distance charges are a
problem, I would be happy to call you, if you provide me with your phone number
and your geographical location.

I cannot, and should not, tell you what to do, but I can answer questions that
may be delaying you making a reasonable choice.  I will leave it up to you,
whether you feel I, as a well informed layman, could be helpful to you. - John
(aka) az4peaks@...

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those who can do nothing for him."
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
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#81 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:02 am
Subject: Re: hello
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Charles -

I am sorry to hear about your diagnosis. I myself had a radical
prostatectomy four years ago, but my Gleason was lower, as was my PSA.
Do they believe that the disease has spread beyond the prostate?

I have known many men who have had the treatments you describe and they
seemed to tolerate them quite well.

Vincent

#82 From: "allstar003" <allstar003@...>
Date: Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:51 am
Subject: Re: hello
allstar003
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is my diag that rare ? the doctors say the cancer has spread to the
seminole vesicles. and surgery would not be an option. I would love to
soemones experience with hormones and radiation. If you know someone
willing to share with me i would appreciate it.--- In
prostatecancerunder40@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Charles -
>
> I am sorry to hear about your diagnosis. I myself had a radical
> prostatectomy four years ago, but my Gleason was lower, as was my PSA.
> Do they believe that the disease has spread beyond the prostate?
>
> I have known many men who have had the treatments you describe and they
> seemed to tolerate them quite well.
>
> Vincent
>

#83 From: "Sammy Bates" <sammy_bates@...>
Date: Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:04 am
Subject: Re: [prostatecancerunder40] hello
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I was 49 when I was dx'd and had symptoms for a year before that. I wish I had my vitamin D level ans testosterone tested before I went in for treatment. Might have been a different story. Sammy.
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my name is charles
my gleason is 8 and psa 25.7 i have not had any
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can anyone share there experience with this type
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#84 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:02 am
Subject: News: Beer Ingredient May Fight Prostate Cancer
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#85 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:10 am
Subject: UPDATE - News: Beer Ingredient May Fight Prostate Cancer
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[Update - Prior message contained incorrect PubMed link.]

News Article:

http://www.fightprostatecancer.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6933&JServSessionIdr002=dl4qe8o0s2.app1a

Journal Reference:

Xanthohumol, a prenylflavonoid derived from hops induces apoptosis and inhibits NF-kappaB activation in prostate epithelial cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16563612&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum


#86 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:22 pm
Subject: Study: Gleevec Halts Spread of Prostate Cancer
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#87 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:25 pm
Subject: News: Treatment Combination Highly Effective in Hormone-Refractory PCa
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#88 From: "Sammy Bates" <sammy_bates@...>
Date: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:13 pm
Subject: Good Morning Protocol at www.watchful-waiting.org
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FYI Folks if you'd like to check this out and give me some feedback on the
way it presents. The Word file image takes a while to load so be patient.
Sammy.

http://watchful-waiting.org/gmp/

#89 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:38 pm
Subject: News: Most Prostate Cancer Patients Opt for Surgery
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#90 From: "Sammy Bates" <sammy_bates@...>
Date: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:27 am
Subject: 'blackout' on vitamin D news and PSA / PC research -=- Re: [CHB] Prostate Cancer Update, Volume 2, Number 25 - 19 June 2006
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Herb,

I am afraid you better not hold your breath for answers here, other than
what I have been able to put together on my web page at
http://watchful-waiting.org/gmp/ (**see also below in-line). I believe there
is a 'blackout' on vitamin D news and PSA / PC research [viz, my identical
posts (two of similar thread) to ww@prostatepointers were blocked. This one
got 'under the radar' as I sent it as a 'CC' - Nancy will have to be more
vigilant in future we would not want her USToo! bosses to have to fire her
now would we !  You can read more about what I have to say concerning USToo!
at my web site http://watchful-waiting.org ]

I am posting this to a few other groups as well to see which ones are in on
the blocking game. My advice to you is to join the new group at
watchful-waiting@yahoogroups.com to keep abreast of news in thise field, as
I will be posting on it in future. [i.e send a message to
watchful-waiting-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to subscribe yourself ] BTW This
is a different type of group to the ones I have previously run.
watchful-waiting@yahoogroups.com  is more of a bulletin board and I do not
expect members to make a regular contribution as was previously the case.

Best,

  Sammy.




----- Original Message -----
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To: Sammy Bates ; chb@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [CHB] Prostate Cancer Update, Volume 2, Number 25 - 19 June
2006


Hi Sammy,
I,  like many others, am hoping that Vit D is the great aid that it seems to
be.  However, one question remains unanswered, for Vit D and other
treatments: does it just affect psa or does it also inhibit prostate cancer
growth?

** vitamin D UPREGULATES PSA expression and downregulates PC growth.
Synergistic action with androgen upregulates by a factor of x50 !

(Another example would be proscar/avodart).

** These do the opposite to vitamin D. They downregulate PSA expression (eg
x2 to get actual PSA if using these drugs).

Another way to look at this would be that elevated doses of Vit D result in
elevated 25(OH)D (or metabolic products) in the serum, which then have a
direct effect on the PSA assay.

** They also have a direct effect on the cancer cells, killing them. Hence
the importance of the Vieth, Choo, Woo et al Pilot Study (below) that is
being suppressed by USToo! and its organs of communication.

Herb
Sammy Bates <sammy_bates@...> wrote:
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The CHB mailing list is intended for informational purposes only. Be
aware that much of the material on this list represents the opinions and
interpretations of other patients. Recommendations should NOT be regarded as
professional advice. Conduct your own research and discuss your options with
health care professionals involved in your care.

**********
I get this pretty regularly but the search engine at the site is less than
ideal. Why is it selectively ignoring important research in the field it
purports to excel in ?

This can be found on PubMed but not the site referred to below. Why ? Sammy.
http://watchful-waiting.org


Nutr Cancer. 2005;51(1):32-6.

Pilot study: potential role of vitamin D (Cholecalciferol) in patients with
PSA
relapse after definitive therapy.

Woo TC, Choo R, Jamieson M, Chander S, Vieth R.

Toronto-Sunnybrook Regional Cancer Centre, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

When local treatments for prostate cancer have failed, and prostate-specific
antigen (PSA) rises in the absence of symptoms, there is little consensus as
to
the best management strategy. Calcitriol has been shown to prolong the
doubling
time of PSA in this context, but near-toxic doses are required. We
investigated
the effect of the nutrient vitamin D (cholecalciferol), a biochemical
precursor
of calcitriol, on PSA levels and the rate of rise of PSA in these patients.
Fifteen patients were given 2,000 IU (50 microg) of cholecalciferol daily
and
monitored prospectively every 2-3 mo. In 9 patients, PSA levels decreased or
remained unchanged after the commencement of cholecalciferol. This was
sustained
for as long as 21 mo. Also, there was a statistically significant decrease
in
the rate of PSA rise after administration of cholecalciferol (P = 0.005)
compared with that before cholecalciferol. The median PSA doubling time
increased from 14.3 mo prior to commencing cholecalciferol to 25 mo after
commencing cholecalciferol. Fourteen of 15 patients had a prolongation of
PSA
doubling time after commencing cholecalciferol. There were no side effects
reported by any patient. Further study is needed to confirm this finding and
to
explore the potential therapeutic benefit of nutrient vitamin D in prostate
cancer.

PMID: 15749627





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#91 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:01 pm
Subject: Study: Vaccine May Help Slow Prostate Cancer after Prostatectomy Failure
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#92 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:12 pm
Subject: Study: Birch Bark Compound May Be Potent Prostate Cancer Fighter
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#93 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:16 pm
Subject: Study: Cancer Drug May Pose Heart Danger
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#94 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 9:07 pm
Subject: Study: Family History of Prostate Cancer Not Linked to Relapse Risk
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#95 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:48 pm
Subject: Study: Study Backs Lower PSA Threshold for Black Men
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#96 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:52 pm
Subject: Study: First-Ever RNA Drug Targets Prostate Cancer
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#97 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:56 pm
Subject: Study: Many With ED After Prostate Cancer Don't Seek Help
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News Article:

http://www.fightprostatecancer.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7153

Research Article:

Use of medications or devices for erectile dysfunction among long-term prostate cancer treatment survivors: potential influence of sexual motivation and/or indifference

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16844457&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum


#98 From: "Vincent" <vincentnyc@...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:00 pm
Subject: Study: Fear, Misunderstandings Affect Patients' Treatment Choices
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News Article:

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/126/116211.htm

Research Article:

Patient treatment preferences in localized prostate carcinoma: The influence of emotion, misconception, and anecdote

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16802287&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum


#99 From: "allstar003" <allstar003@...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:14 pm
Subject: 43 years of age psa 25.7 gleason 8 ..Dr's appt yesterday ?
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I saw the urologist yesterday and we talked about types of hormone
treatment. From previous visists the doctor told me he would put me on
casodex. I educated myself as much as possible about the drug but what
really shocked me is that the doctor said I would get one shot of
zoladex. It was obvious to me he had either forgot what he originally
told me or he has to many patients and did not remeber me, i dont
think that is the case. my numbers have not changed becuase have blood
drawn today for another psa so there would be no reason other than
time elapsed to offer a different type drug....maybe i am wrong...i
hope so. As we talked i continued to ask questions and as we spoke he
started gathering the files for his next patient. my experience has
been if i educate myself and ask questions I can atleast not be talked
over or not completely confused. I am sure there are members who will
share insight. I AM 43 NOT 63 I MUST ASK QUESTIONS ! IF YOU DONT
UNDERSTAND...THAT'S OK. I NEED YOU EXPERIENCE....NOT THE YOUR OPINION
BUT I AM SURE I WILL GET BOTH !

#100 From: Mick Northrop <mnorthrop1977@...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [prostatecancerunder40] 43 years of age psa 25.7 gleason 8 ..Dr's appt yesterday ?
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It sounds to me like your doctor forgot which approach he was going to take with you.  Either way it looks like you should get the same results.  Here is what I lifted from WebMD 

How Does Hormone Therapy Work?
Hormone therapy for prostate cancer works by either preventing the body from making these androgens or by blocking their effects. Either way, the hormone levels drop, and the cancer's growth slows.
Here is the full story:
http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/105/107907.htm?pagenumber=2

(not sure why the link isn't working)

Mick


allstar003 <allstar003@...> wrote:
I saw the urologist yesterday and we talked about types of hormone
treatment. From previous visists the doctor told me he would put me on
casodex. I educated myself as much as possible about the drug but what
really shocked me is that the doctor said I would get one shot of
zoladex. It was obvious to me he had either forgot what he originally
told me or he has to many patients and did not remeber me, i dont
think that is the case. my numbers have not changed becuase have blood
drawn today for another psa so there would be no reason other than
time elapsed to offer a different type drug....maybe i am wrong...i
hope so. As we talked i continued to ask questions and as we spoke he
started gathering the files for his next patient. my experience has
been if i educate myself and ask questions I can atleast not be talked
over or not completely confused. I am sure there are members who will
share insight. I AM 43 NOT 63 I MUST ASK QUESTIONS ! IF YOU DONT
UNDERSTAND...THAT'S OK. I NEED YOU EXPERIENCE....NOT THE YOUR OPINION
BUT I AM SURE I WILL GET BOTH !




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#101 From: "Clarke" <sxbike@...>
Date: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:50 am
Subject: Fucking Clueless "system"
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Hi Guys:
  I am not exactly "under 40" but a youngish 51. I was diagnosed last
winter with a psa of 18 and a (oh shit!) gleasonn of 9. I went through
all of the bullshit you all have been through. Oh yeah.....why does
every doctor I speak with have to stick their finger up my ass?! I
figured it out...$$$$$ that is an "examination" rather than a
"consultation" mo money, mo money! Well that is what this post is
about....money! I met with my primary physician (who..oops.. missed
the cancer) I asked him if he had a psa done the last few times I saw
him at age 49 and 50 (I think). He looked and said "uuh no" . I
inquired as to why not? I probibly would be in better shape if it had
been done 2 years ago. He did do the most wonderful DRE on the last
two or three visits. I pointed out and he agreed that there are a LOT
of guys under fifty getting this fucked up disease. Why don't you
start checking at 45 or so? He acknowledged there are lots of 40+ guys
being diagnosed BUT... the insurance companies don't want to pay for
the tests if the patient is under 40. Eccuuuussse meeeeee!!!!???? WTF
!? Yo....offer me the test. If I get stuck paying for it no biggie! I
don't think it is a real expensive test ( I am sure I'll be corrected
if I'm wrong). Dude... you can save some lives! I think I convinced
him this is the direction to go. Okay, here is the point. It is to
late for us. We have been diagnosed and our prognosis's vary. We will
face unpleasantness (at best) and potential death (at worst). Much of
this shit could me minimized with early detection. Sorry guys, but it
is too late for us. but we can make a difference by speaking with our
primary care physcians,freinds and family and educating them about
this disease. It is not a disease strictly assiociated with old
fogies. Statistics point to the majority of people being dignosed
being 50+ but much of that is based on old data. Guys under 50 I think
duck beneath the radar 'cuz they aren't checked until they are 50 OR
exibit symptoms. Kinda late..dont ya think?
   Okay, maybe the tone of my post is somewhat angry.  I'm really not
pissed off at anyone..hey, shit just happens. My wife is not quite s
mellow about the situation. She want's to go kick the shit out of my
primary physician for doing a DRE  but no psa for 2 or 3 years.
Whatever...
   Well I did have good news today. After a month of Zolodex my psa is
down to 1.1 WOOO HOOO! The side effects are far from pleasant but are
not the end of the world. I am scheduled to have HDR brachytherapy
sometime this fall followed by external beam radiation for 5 weks then
  continued Zolodex for a year or so. Hopefully his will take care of
it. If it doesn't, well I guess I'm fucked! Well if thi shit doesnt
work maybe the will have something better in the next 10-15 years.
  I wish you all the best!
                        Cheers
                             Clarke

#102 From: "zzzzjones_HOT" <zzzzjones@...>
Date: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:59 am
Subject: Re: [prostatecancerunder40] Fucking Clueless "system"
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Bottle it and make a mint: I think you are onto something. Docs should be
more activist and responsible. Insurance companies should not be practicing
medicine.

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Subject: [prostatecancerunder40] Fucking Clueless "system"


> Hi Guys:
> I am not exactly "under 40" but a youngish 51. I was diagnosed last
> winter with a psa of 18 and a (oh shit!) gleasonn of 9. I went through
> all of the bullshit you all have been through. Oh yeah.....why does
> every doctor I speak with have to stick their finger up my ass?! I
> figured it out...$$$$$ that is an "examination" rather than a
> "consultation" mo money, mo money! Well that is what this post is
> about....money! I met with my primary physician (who..oops.. missed
> the cancer) I asked him if he had a psa done the last few times I saw
> him at age 49 and 50 (I think). He looked and said "uuh no" . I
> inquired as to why not? I probibly would be in better shape if it had
> been done 2 years ago. He did do the most wonderful DRE on the last
> two or three visits. I pointed out and he agreed that there are a LOT
> of guys under fifty getting this fucked up disease. Why don't you
> start checking at 45 or so? He acknowledged there are lots of 40+ guys
> being diagnosed BUT... the insurance companies don't want to pay for
> the tests if the patient is under 40. Eccuuuussse meeeeee!!!!???? WTF
> !? Yo....offer me the test. If I get stuck paying for it no biggie! I
> don't think it is a real expensive test ( I am sure I'll be corrected
> if I'm wrong). Dude... you can save some lives! I think I convinced
> him this is the direction to go. Okay, here is the point. It is to
> late for us. We have been diagnosed and our prognosis's vary. We will
> face unpleasantness (at best) and potential death (at worst). Much of
> this shit could me minimized with early detection. Sorry guys, but it
> is too late for us. but we can make a difference by speaking with our
> primary care physcians,freinds and family and educating them about
> this disease. It is not a disease strictly assiociated with old
> fogies. Statistics point to the majority of people being dignosed
> being 50+ but much of that is based on old data. Guys under 50 I think
> duck beneath the radar 'cuz they aren't checked until they are 50 OR
> exibit symptoms. Kinda late..dont ya think?
>  Okay, maybe the tone of my post is somewhat angry.  I'm really not
> pissed off at anyone..hey, shit just happens. My wife is not quite s
> mellow about the situation. She want's to go kick the shit out of my
> primary physician for doing a DRE  but no psa for 2 or 3 years.
> Whatever...
>  Well I did have good news today. After a month of Zolodex my psa is
> down to 1.1 WOOO HOOO! The side effects are far from pleasant but are
> not the end of the world. I am scheduled to have HDR brachytherapy
> sometime this fall followed by external beam radiation for 5 weks then
> continued Zolodex for a year or so. Hopefully his will take care of
> it. If it doesn't, well I guess I'm fucked! Well if thi shit doesnt
> work maybe the will have something better in the next 10-15 years.
> I wish you all the best!
>                       Cheers
>                            Clarke
>
>

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