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#1558

From: Alexander Rheeney <alexander.rheeney@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:29 am
Subject: Re: Urgent!!!

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Hope no one falls for this garbage.

This is a NIGERIAN SCAM.

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Gunzee Gawin <gawinsg@...> wrote:

Hello,
How are you doing? I am so sorry I didn't inform you about my traveling to Nigeria to visit my ill cousin. I am presently in Nigeria with my ill cousin, whom is a student here. she was diagnosed with a critical uterine fibroid. x ray and scan states that her condition is deteriorating because the fibroid has done a lot of damages to her abdominal area, and an emergency hysterectomy surgery must be carried-out to save her life.

I am deeply sorry for not writing or calling you before leaving,I took first flight to Nigeria, the news of her illness arrived to me as an emergency and that she needs family support to keep her going. I had little time to prepare or even to inform people about my trip, I hope you understand my plight and pardon me.

I will like you to please assist me with a loan of ($1800) urgently to sort-out my Cousin's bills, the hospital management is demanding for a deposit of ($1800) before they will implement the surgery, i am traveling with few amount of money because I never expected things to be the way it is right now.

What scares me the most is that she is going through a lot of pain at the moment and the doctors have advice that, it is necessary that the tumor must be operated soon to avoid anything from going wrong.

I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me with, since i don't know your financial status at the moment. I'll pay back as soon as i return.

I'll be pleased to hear from you soon regarding my request.

Best Regards
Gunzee S Gawin

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#1557

From: Nokise Simeona <nokise@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: 05 - Urgent!!!

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Asshole, no such thing as a critical uterine fibroid, conman... stop infiltrating our group with these rubish!!

Dr. Simeona

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Subject: 05 - [pngdoctors-general] Urgent!!!
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#1556

From: Gunzee Gawin <gawinsg@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:19 pm
Subject: Urgent!!!

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Hello,
How are you doing? I am so sorry I didn't inform you about my traveling to Nigeria to visit my ill cousin. I am presently in Nigeria with my ill cousin, whom is a student here. she was diagnosed with a critical uterine fibroid. x ray and scan states that her condition is deteriorating because the fibroid has done a lot of damages to her abdominal area, and an emergency hysterectomy surgery must be carried-out to save her life.

I am deeply sorry for not writing or calling you before leaving,I took first flight to Nigeria, the news of her illness arrived to me as an emergency and that she needs family support to keep her going. I had little time to prepare or even to inform people about my trip, I hope you understand my plight and pardon me.

I will like you to please assist me with a loan of ($1800) urgently to sort-out my Cousin's bills, the hospital management is demanding for a deposit of ($1800) before they will implement the surgery, i am traveling with few amount of money because I never expected things to be the way it is right now.

What scares me the most is that she is going through a lot of pain at the moment and the doctors have advice that, it is necessary that the tumor must be operated soon to avoid anything from going wrong.

I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me with, since i don't know your financial status at the moment. I'll pay back as soon as i return.

I'll be pleased to hear from you soon regarding my request.

Best Regards
Gunzee S Gawin

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#1555

From: William Mol <molwillie@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:51 am
Subject: Re: News!

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Hi! everyone,

I would like to announce to everyone on this forum that I have opened an aesthetic salon in the heart of Goroka town. I believe this is the first of its kind in the country.

Please check out my blog for more information:
http://molwillie.blogspot.com/

Thanks for your time!

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#1554

From: William Mol <molwillie@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.

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Thanks! Lawerence for those points. I guess violence is part of our life. Anyway, we as leaders should be 'transparent' and lead by example no matter what (no excuses).

The movies show these violences in an exaggerated, unrealisitic way which gives a false impression of reality to our kids and thus increase their treshold to tolerate violence. It is a kind of 'desensitisation', which means they are not be scared to be involved in violent activities. To them & their peers,it may seem 'cool'. This is exactly what is going on in our society now.

As I have said earlier, violence is part of life. We humans have found ways to express violence in a more controlled and acceptable way: sports - rugby, boxing etc. We enjoy watching them but just think of all the sports related violence. As we can see, the difference between sports & violence is that sports have rules while violence don't.

I guess we just have to practice more self discipline if we claim to be civilized.

Thanks for reading!

William Mol
(Goroka, PNG)

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#1553

From: Lawrence Hammar <gorokadubu@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:46 pm
Subject: Re: PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.

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Good morning, William, and thanks for your posting. I'm not quite sure what you mean in your first couple of grafs, but I do completely agree with your statements about "Western" societies being extremely violent. I could not agree more with that, and it just breaks my heart to read or hear just about every day about yet another woman/child/family being harmed, maimed, kidnapped, raped or killed by a man/men somewhere in my community, culture, country, just like in PNG. What really makes me angry is that violence is part of nearly every t.v. show, movie, video game, music video, sporting match, etc., and that is considered okay, but honest and loving depictions of sexuality, no way! Not to say that our airwaves aren't blitzed daily with sexual images, they are, but they aren't really of sexuality or depicted in an honest, loving, healthy way. I can't think of a more violent country overall than the U.S.

Let me say what sometimes doesn't get said, but should be: sometimes people excuse violence (wife-bashing, in this case) on the grounds of who is calling attention to it. My point is and ALWAYS has been that violence is just as wrong in my culture as it is in another culture, and that just because the case of the PNG doctor in Darwin sickens me to the core doesn't mean that I don't care about similar violence in my own culture and country. I DO and ALWAYS have.

I've been hearing through the grapevine, too, that someone is taking the Director's position at NACS who is himself a wife-beater, so much so that his first wife left him, which is some indication of how frequent and severe it was. True? What kind of a signal does this send? This only makes my point, that the leaders of Parliament, the DoH and the NACS have never really been serious about gender violence, with one exception, someone I respect very much: Dr. John Millan.

Anyway, thanks, William, for your comments; let's all work together to root out violence, NOT to excuse it or explain it away.

Cheers.

Lawrence Hammar

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, William Mol <molwillie@...> wrote:

From: William Mol <molwillie@...>
Subject: Re: [pngdoctors-general] PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.
To: pngdoctors-general@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:50 PM

Violence is the last resort for us if we claim to be civilised. To me, violence only shows breakdown of communication which leads to frustrations, then physical expression of anger.

I think in PNG we have different cultures & languages and it is sometimes difficult to communicate among ourselves. Unlike the western society sometimes woman in certain cultures in PNG are quite aggressive. In order for man to feel more superior he has to express frustrations physically just to feel superior but in a controlled manner & to a certain extent.

Our societies are not equivalent to western societies and as we have accepted the western cultures fully so the western must learn to accept some of ours. Personally I feel the western societies, in a broader perspective and a larger scale are more violent than ours as clearly being potrayed by their movies that we watch. It is amazing to see how the westerners enjoy watching 'violence'. In our society it is very offending, however because of their influence our kids are enjoying watching such violence nowadays!

Just my opinion!

Thanks for reading!

William Mol
(Goroka, PNG)

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#1552

From: rodney itaki <londari2000@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:03 pm
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Guys very valid topic. Keep goin. Friend o no friend lewa&#39;s act is shamful.
We cant preach one ting n do da oposite.

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#1551

From: changol amai <changolamai@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.

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Dia hanya seorang teman sehingga itu sebabnya saya prihatin. Aku tidak bermaksud menyinggung perasaan orang lain di forum ini.
Aku percaya pada keadilan dan perempuan harus diperlakukan secara setara juga.
Kekerasan dalam rumah tangga tidak baik bagi negara kita.
Tapi pola pikir barat juga tidak selalu lebih unggul. Sistem penghakiman mereka juga mempunyai lubang loop yang tidak melindungi mereka yang tidak bersalah.

(There it is, I have spoken my mind now. Pheww....Now I feel so relieved that I cannot be misquoted again. It is a good feeling to say it in a language that cannot be twisted or misquoted again in)

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Lawrence Hammar <gorokadubu@...> wrote:

From: Lawrence Hammar <gorokadubu@...>
Subject: Re: [pngdoctors-general] PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.
To: pngdoctors-general@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:52 AM

Respectfully, you just made my points for me. I did not misinterpret you and I certainly did not twist around your words. Whether or not you know him personally is irrelevant to the beating he perpetrated against his wife, unless it puts you closer to the facts of the case such that you dispute them, which you do not. Why wouldn't his case be the "correct" case of "domestic violence" from which to launch a discussion thereof? You said that he must have been "stressed out." Hmmm. He just "exploded." Hmmm. In "the heat of the moment." Hmmm. What on earth are those phrasings supposed to mean? What does "sorted out" mean, in this case? Who does the sorting out? Does he simply pay "compo" to her family? Does that make it go away? I should think that you would have accurately concluded from the facts of the matter instead of excusing his behavior, which you just admitted to. Again, being his friend or being his enemy has no bearing whatsoever on the case. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen/heard of/witnessed similar behavior on the part of male "health" workers be swept under the rug.

Lawrence

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, changol amai <changolamai@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: changol amai <changolamai@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pngdoctors- general] PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.
To: pngdoctors-general@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:02 AM

What was that about, Lawrence?

Donâ€™t misinterpret what I am saying. And do not twist my words around to say that I am tripping over myself to excuse his behavior.

I am speaking here as a friend of his among other friends of his on this forum to let them know what I saw on the news. It is a personal note to the other friends of his.

The root cause of domestic violence in PNG is deeper. To fix one thing you have to fix others, and the discussion is lengthy. But that is not the purpose of my note.

A discussion on domestic violence; you can do it on this forum but do not use Lewas case to launch into it.

I was just notifying my other friends who also know him personally.

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Lawrence Hammar <gorokadubu@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lawrence Hammar <gorokadubu@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [pngdoctors- general] PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.
To: pngdoctors-general@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:33 AM

I'm not sure which is more shameful . . . the doctor who brutally beat his wife or your tripping over yourself to excuse his behavior. Please consider what this suggests about how seriously wife-bashing is taken, if even doctors excuse it. "Stress?" Who is stressed more in PNG? Men? Women? It's neither an excuse nor a justification, but it almost always gets treated as such.

One might also consider the wisdom and what it says to international communities if a man who is being considered for a high post in the NACS also repeatedly bashed up his first wife, so frequently, in fact, that she left him. How serious are the male "leaders" in PNG about wife-bashing. Call it what it is: it's not "domestic violence," which would involve furniture and counter-tops. Too many women live in a state of terror.

Just my opinion.

Lawrence Hammar

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, changolamai <changolamai@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: changolamai <changolamai@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [pngdoctors- general] PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.
To: pngdoctors-general@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:30 AM

Hello guys,

I was just browsing the news and I saw this article about Lewa, my classmate in med school.

http://www.ntnews. com.au/article/ 2009/11/03/ 97901_ntnews. html

I just hope that things get sorted out between him and his wife. He is a good guy, (lively and at times also a comedian), he must have just been just too stressed out and just exploded in the heat of the moment.

Changol

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#1550

From: Gunzee Gawin <gawinsg@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:01 am
Subject: RE: PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.

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Lawrence, well said. Changol, your argument is very shallow, does not hold water and is very pathetic for a professional elite and I feel ashamed to have known you.

Domestic violence should be condemned by all professionals. Start respecting your wives and see them as partners/ friends and not sex objects. Major cause of wife beating is because the wife refused to have sex with the husband because she is tired. Guys, give her a break. Stressed from what, Changol? Don't give me crap. We should all be ashamed of our actions and being an Obstetrician and Gynaecologist myself, I do not want to associate myself with such people. We become hypocrytes because we preach against gender-based violence and do the opposite is for me wrong. Totally and absolutely wrong.

Lawrence, keep on speaking. I agree with everything you said.

Trupla man

Gunzee S Gawin

Dr Gunzee Gawin
Obstetrician Gynaecologist
Chief Executive Officer - Popondetta General Hospital.

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From: gorokadubu@...
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:52:54 -0800
Subject: Re: [pngdoctors-general] PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.

Respectfully, you just made my points for me. I did not misinterpret you and I certainly did not twist around your words. Whether or not you know him personally is irrelevant to the beating he perpetrated against his wife, unless it puts you closer to the facts of the case such that you dispute them, which you do not. Why wouldn't his case be the "correct" case of "domestic violence" from which to launch a discussion thereof? You said that he must have been "stressed out." Hmmm. He just "exploded." Hmmm. In "the heat of the moment." Hmmm. What on earth are those phrasings supposed to mean? What does "sorted out" mean, in this case? Who does the sorting out? Does he simply pay "compo" to her family? Does that make it go away? I should think that you would have accurately concluded from the facts of the matter instead of excusing his behavior, which you just admitted to. Again, being his friend or being his enemy has no bearing whatsoever on the case. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen/heard of/witnessed similar behavior on the part of male "health" workers be swept under the rug.

Lawrence

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, changol amai <changolamai@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: changol amai <changolamai@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pngdoctors-general] PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.
To: pngdoctors-general@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:02 AM

What was that about, Lawrence?

Don’t misinterpret what I am saying. And do not twist my words around to say that I am tripping over myself to excuse his behavior.

I am speaking here as a friend of his among other friends of his on this forum to let them know what I saw on the news. It is a personal note to the other friends of his.

The root cause of domestic violence in PNG is deeper. To fix one thing you have to fix others, and the discussion is lengthy. But that is not the purpose of my note.

A discussion on domestic violence; you can do it on this forum but do not use Lewas case to launch into it.

I was just notifying my other friends who also know him personally.

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Lawrence Hammar <gorokadubu@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lawrence Hammar <gorokadubu@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [pngdoctors- general] PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.
To: pngdoctors-general@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:33 AM

I'm not sure which is more shameful . . . the doctor who brutally beat his wife or your tripping over yourself to excuse his behavior. Please consider what this suggests about how seriously wife-bashing is taken, if even doctors excuse it. "Stress?" Who is stressed more in PNG? Men? Women? It's neither an excuse nor a justification, but it almost always gets treated as such.

One might also consider the wisdom and what it says to international communities if a man who is being considered for a high post in the NACS also repeatedly bashed up his first wife, so frequently, in fact, that she left him. How serious are the male "leaders" in PNG about wife-bashing. Call it what it is: it's not "domestic violence," which would involve furniture and counter-tops. Too many women live in a state of terror.

Just my opinion.

Lawrence Hammar

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, changolamai <changolamai@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: changolamai <changolamai@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [pngdoctors- general] PNG doctor in Darwin in some domestic trouble.
To: pngdoctors-general@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:30 AM

Hello guys,

I was just browsing the news and I saw this article about Lewa, my classmate in med school.

http://www.ntnews. com.au/article/ 2009/11/03/ 97901_ntnews. html

I just hope that things get sorted out between him and his wife. He is a good guy, (lively and at times also a comedian), he must have just been just too stressed out and just exploded in the heat of the moment.

Changol

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