Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
piolusers · PIOL Users
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Hear how Yahoo! Groups has changed the lives of others. Take me there.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
new to the group   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #498 of 1168 |
Re: [piolusers] Re: new to the group

Yeah, well despite loving the IOLs I totally agree. Which makes me incredibly
worried for the endo cell loss. I mean, if they've already folded up their tent
and gone home and then that starts to happen.....

>>> "poasid3412" <poasid3412@...> 06/06/08 3:09 AM >>>

Man, this is really putting a burr in my saddle about this technology.
I get that there are risks, and I'm willing to cross my fingers on the
whole retinal detachment, cataracts, endo cell loss, etc., since I know
they are rare . . . . but geez, isn't the sizing of the ICL optic in
relation to the Iris diameter (under night conditions) kind of a simple
thing to measure and predict the likelihood of halos? Seems like people
are getting an unpleasant surprise about something that shouldn't be so
surprising.

Or is there some other halo-inducing optical phenomena going on that we
don't know of (and Staar & partner physicians haven't figured out) yet?

I really don't want to think the worst of people, but the history of
business ethics abuses can't help fueling the imagination with the
obvious conspiracy theory: what if Staar knew of the problem, but went
ahead with widespread product introduction anyway, under the
philosophy "Well, let's count the quantity (and audible volume) of
complaints before we either (a) fold up our tent and go home or (b) beg
the VCs for R&D funding to create ICL 2.0 (with bigger lens diameters)"?



--- In piolusers@yahoogroups.com, "nannyboo99" <nannyboo@...> wrote:
> . . . .
> My biggest problem, as I know many of you who've had it have
> experienced, is the halos. Prior to surgery, I only had them when
> driving at night, and they weren't really full halos--more
> wedge-shaped around each light. Were minor enough that it didn't
> bother me. Now they are much worse, enough that I don't feel safe
> driving at night and they suck all the fun out of going to the movies.
> . . . .
> Nannyboo
>






Fri Jun 6, 2008 2:23 pm

thilmanyj
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #498 of 1168 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

Hello everyone, Just joined the group, so I've got some catching up to do on the messages already posted, but thought I would say a quick 'hi' and introduce...
nannyboo99
Offline Send Email
Jun 4, 2008
1:48 pm

Man, this is really putting a burr in my saddle about this technology. I get that there are risks, and I'm willing to cross my fingers on the whole retinal...
poasid3412
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
2:11 pm

I don't have halos! Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed ... From: "poasid3412" <poasid3412@...> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:09:38 ...
hoosierjenny@...
hoosierjenny
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
2:14 pm

No there is no halo producing phenomena. I decided not to get the ICL and I think everyone needs to do their own due diligence when it comes to this. For...
Troy Crichton
softbutter8
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
2:24 pm

There is research in other ICLs, in particular a Verisyse/Artisan type that is flexible like the Visian, and a toric version of both. ICLs have been available...
Ami Chopine
amkaproblemka
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
8:57 pm

O also in response to Jenny, yes the measuring of your pupil is just looking in a machine in a completely dark room. Make sure your dr. does this!!!! The first...
Troy Crichton
softbutter8
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
2:27 pm

... [###] hoosierjenny, what color are your eyes? I've wondered if eye color plays a role in diameter of the pupil. My eyes are really light blue/green, and...
Nancy Bass
nannyboo99
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
3:40 pm

Well said. I'm not troubled by halos, and I think this surgery was the best thing I've ever done. But halos are a serious problem for some people. If this...
Michael Dwyer
n0zap
Online Now Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
2:27 pm

I notice the halos too, but I wouldn't change the ICL's for my old glasses anymore ! Marc Belgium ... Van: piolusers@yahoogroups.com...
Marc Vissers
marc_vissers
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
8:43 pm

Yeah, well despite loving the IOLs I totally agree. Which makes me incredibly worried for the endo cell loss. I mean, if they've already folded up their tent...
Jean Thilmany
thilmanyj
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
2:23 pm

This is not a problem, Jean. A good ICL patient sees an ophthamologist every year, and they track the endo cell density (can O.D.'s do this?). If it red-lines,...
poasid3412
Offline Send Email
Jun 7, 2008
9:24 pm

My eyes are brown. I just turned 30... someone mentioned earlier that age plays a role. ... From: Nancy Bass <nannyboo@...> To:...
Jennifer Orff
hoosierjenny
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
3:47 pm

I notice them, but for some, if you can't drive, it goes beyond noticing. It affects quality of life. I'm perhaps odd in that I had terrible halos with hard...
Jean Thilmany
thilmanyj
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
8:55 pm

... One of our members did have the Visian surgery revered, and Verisyse installed instead. I am not troubled by the halos, and I used to not believe they were...
Michael Dwyer
n0zap
Online Now Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
10:04 pm

... they ... Michael, this is exactly what some of us see every night. I even see halos walking down the hallway at work. I've gotten much more used to them,...
mwoliveri
Offline Send Email
Jun 7, 2008
1:18 pm

If (some cases of) the halos are a serious impediment to driving at night, then maybe the ICL doctors (and your state's department of motor vehicles) should be...
poasid3412
Offline Send Email
Jun 7, 2008
9:24 pm

I agree with you Ami. I'm incredibly happy. And when the doctor tells me I'll need to see a retinal specialist every year bc I"m severely myopic, whether or...
Jean Thilmany
thilmanyj
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
9:08 pm

My hypotheses (about drawbacks to making the ICL lens optic larger) are: 1) might require a bigger diameter of injector tube (the 'straw' that they use to...
poasid3412
Offline Send Email
Jun 7, 2008
9:24 pm

I asked about halos before having the surgery, and I was told that they might persist even after the surgery. I just didn't think they'd be worse afterwards....
Nancy Bass
nannyboo99
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
9:54 pm

... Well put. I knew that having ICL surgery would not make me just like someone who's had 20/20 vision their entire life. I told myself before going ahead ...
Nancy Bass
nannyboo99
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2008
10:42 pm
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help