Firstly it has been many decades since the computer pioneer ,
Alan . Turing was a reluctant student of a descendant of
Charles Darwin .

  The Genome is starting to be treated as an iterative entity.
  Large 'blocks' of the genome can be switched on and off at
particular times and states.
  This process is internal and external to the nucleus of the
cell .
  Using this approach reprogramming and differentiation can be
controlled more effectively .

  To effect reprogramming to the embryonic state viruses and
nanotubes have been used to introduce key regulators into
the nucleus of adult cells , amoungst these the Oct molecule .
  The choice of starting cell , for reprogramming , appears to
be important ; presently cells from areas involved in reproduction
are being examined , these aren't necessarily of an embryonic
type .
  There is also ongoing research , by a Howard Hughes investigator ,
into the processes involved in the reprogramming of reproductive
cells to their primitive state appropriate for error free
reproduction .
  iRNA is being used in this study , a possible improvement over
the use of nanotubes and hopefully an alternative to the use of
viruses .
   Understanding this mechanism might give some insight into why
some children are born with cancer , one valid school of thought
is that viruses can become an integral part of the adult genome
and in some instances find expression in offspring .

  The ability of the Genome might be appreciated when we consider
the example of photosynthesis , this is an efficient quantum
mechanical pathway , determined through the interaction of a simple
plant genome with the environment.
   Scientists are still attempting to tease out the details of
this pathway .

Living cell treatment is primarily directed at containing the signs of wear and age.

It is by no means a new method, and its development can be traced back into antiquity

This therapy is based on the observation that damaged or spent cells can be stimulated and regenerated by living cells from unborn or very young animals.

The principles of living cell therapy can be reduced to a very simple formula:

”Like cures like”

This means, for example, that liver cells from an animal will strengthen the human liver or that heart cells will invigorate the heart.

The father of modern living cell therapy is Paul Niehans who began using living cell treatment around 70 years ago. He initially worked for many years with dried and frozen cells as well, but then started to use his original, living cell method.

To enhance the therapy even further, he injected not only single organs, but also organic systems, i.e. several organs which combine to form one functional unit.

He introduced a special nutritive solution in which the organic components can be suspended. The dosage system he developed also plays an important part in the therapy.

Energy and Vitality

We live in hectic times, where high pressure and stress consume our last energy reserves. Scientific studies show that biological ageing begins when we reach the age of 30. With living cell therapy everyone who has to keep pace with modern life, for example at work, has the opportunity to regenerate themselves in a completely natural way – without any chemical agents.

The living cell treatment is intended to produce a general revitalization of the whole organism. Revitalization means an improvement in vitality, an increase in activity, the stabilization of mental power, enhancement of the general power of resistance and a strengthening of the body’s natural defenses. But this also means that the living cell treatment should not only be used when the ageing processes are already well advanced or when illnesses have already existed for many years, but also as a prophylactic measure in younger years.

In addition, the living cell therapy is also used to combat a variety of health problems – also as a prophylactic.

Mountain sheep – the optimum donor animals

The hardy race of mountain sheep is pre-eminently suitable as organ donors. For this reason, we contract with few selected and trusted farms with combined herd of around 30,000 mountain sheep exclusively for the gaining of the raw material, i.e. placentas for extraction of stem cells.

Our herd represents a very special type of sheep as regards health and hardiness and is selected by an experienced breeder according to constitutional and genetic aspects. They are bred and kept in the high mountains far away from any damaging environmental effects. Fully biological fodder is ensured the whole year round.

Safety is our first concern!

Veterinary tests and lab controls are performed with particular care in accordance with the official guidelines of the New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry “for the extraction of germ-free, therapeutic cellular preparations from placentas and for the health of the donor animals”.

In addition, the donor animals are subjected to clinical and lab examinations on the day before they are used: The tests include temperature measurement, blood sedimentation and a leukocyte count*.

In addition, control measurements are made on tissue samples for cadmium, lead, mercury and other damaging heavy metals as well as for virus antibodies.

Placenta

For functional blood supply disorders and for general vitalization of the system. Paul Niehans always said: “without the placenta, no living cell therapy”

Thanks for your response, Walter. I did read over your website and I
have to wonder why stem cells from sheep would be of benefit to
humans. It reminds me of the one-time fad for extracting monkey
testicle hormones to restore youth and vigor. I noticed that the
price of the treatments did not seem to be posted anywhere I saw.

Namaste!
Uriel

--- In physical_immortality@yahoogroups.com, "Walter M. Wolf"
<waltermwolf@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Uriel:
> I am already develop a very practical way to indefinitely extend a
human lifespan.
> Please, visit my website:
> www.alwaysyoung.us
> Call me(you will find my phone number on this site) after you'll
read all the pages.
> Thank you,
> Sincerely,
> Walter
> Uriel Andros <uriel@...> wrote:
> Greetings ~
>
> I am trying to create a community of men interested in exploring the
> many facets of achieving advanced longevity. I have some unorthodox
> ideas on the subject. You can check them out at http://www.nasalam.org
>
> Namaste!
> Uriel Andros
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
Try it now.
>

Thanks for your response, Walter. I did read over your website and I
have to wonder why stem cells from sheep would be of benefit to
humans. It reminds me of the one-time fad for extracting monkey
testicle hormones to restore youth and vigor. I noticed that the
price of the treatments did not seem to be posted anywhere I saw.

Namaste!
Uriel

--- In physical_immortality@yahoogroups.com, "Walter M. Wolf"
<waltermwolf@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Uriel:
> I am already develop a very practical way to indefinitely extend a
human lifespan.
> Please, visit my website:
> www.alwaysyoung.us
> Call me(you will find my phone number on this site) after you'll
read all the pages.
> Thank you,
> Sincerely,
> Walter
> Uriel Andros <uriel@...> wrote:
> Greetings ~
>
> I am trying to create a community of men interested in exploring the
> many facets of achieving advanced longevity. I have some unorthodox
> ideas on the subject. You can check them out at http://www.nasalam.org
>
> Namaste!
> Uriel Andros
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
Try it now.
>

Thanks for your response, Walter.  I did read over your website and I
have to wonder why stem cells from sheep would be of benefit to
humans.  It reminds me of the one-time fad for extracting monkey
testicle hormones to restore youth and vigor.  I noticed that the
price of the treatments did not seem to be posted anywhere I saw.

Namaste!
Uriel

--- In physical_immortality@yahoogroups.com, "Walter M. Wolf"
<waltermwolf@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Uriel:
>   I am already develop a very practical way to indefinitely extend a
human lifespan.
>   Please, visit my website:
>   www.alwaysyoung.us
>   Call me(you will find my phone number on this site) after you'll
read all the pages.
>   Thank you,
>   Sincerely,
>   Walter
> Uriel Andros <uriel@...> wrote:
>           Greetings ~
>
> I am trying to create a community of men interested in exploring the
> many facets of achieving advanced longevity. I have some unorthodox
> ideas on the subject. You can check them out at http://www.nasalam.org
>
> Namaste!
> Uriel Andros
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
Try it now.
>

Greetings ~

I am trying to create a community of men interested in exploring the
many facets of achieving advanced longevity. I have some unorthodox
ideas on the subject. You can check them out at http://www.nasalam.org

Namaste!
Uriel Andros

Greetings ~

I am trying to create a community of men interested in exploring the
many facets of achieving advanced longevity.  I have some unorthodox
ideas on the subject.  You can check them out at http://www.nasalam.org

Namaste!
Uriel Andros

--- In physical_immortality@yahoogroups.com, "cheryl99cat"
<cheryl99cat@...> wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone ever tried Colloidal Gold?  I've run across a site at:
> http://colloidalgoldmachines-central.com/

I have heard of colloidal gold being advertized, but if it was as
effective as colloidal silver, we should have heard that by now.

I hate to question something just because it is unfamiliar, knowing of
several things that work without our understanding that they would.
Gold has entirely different properties to silver. Just because it is a
so-called "Noble metal" does not mean it has healing benefits for that
reason.

-Olatunde Aroloye

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--- gedcda72 <sciwise@...> wrote:

> Don't surrender your
>   Rationality,
>   Humanity,
>   Desire ;  especially for Physical  Immortality
>
>
>



These small absorbable hints are infinitely valuable
and simple enough to be beamed right into my mind.
I'll never forget another one I read on here:

"Speak of physical immortality casually throughout the
day to plant the seeds"

or something like that. We are doing this!



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Mr Stewart , of the Daily Show , had as a guest an astronomer .
   This astromoner stated that ther are more stars in the known
Universe than words that have been uttered by man .

   If we consider the scenario where many of these worlds have
planets similar to Earth and inhabitable by us then this is
an incredible number of worlds .
   If we also consider the , unlikely , possibility that none of
these habitable worlds has a dominant species that is dominant ;
then the extent of colonization of these worlds by practically
immortal  humans is immense .
   I suggest to you that this might be what we are evolving towards
and that in due course we will have the capability to reach any
of these worlds . Though not through any Physics presently known.
   Consider this as being an impetus to discovering  new principles.
   As these worlds are so numerouus , procreation , in the traditional
and technologically enhanced sense , is ineviatable for Practically
Immortal inhabitants .


   Remember , more stars than words  , thus far uttered .

Upon  considering  Physical  Immortalty we
encounter various preconceived ideas about
limits and an immutable definition of Physical
Immortality .

   In the strict and , presently , incomprehensible
sense of Physical Immortality ; this means to live
in a Physical form , most likely similar to our
present bodies ; forever .

   Lets have a look at some of the limitations involved.

   Firstly , manmade disasters war , famine then disease .
   Next societal constraints , established concepts of
death aren't to be challenged ; the emotive context of
these is considerable .
   Also religious , unfortunately a manipulator of
societal norms ; often in an inappropriate way ,
concurrent with this , certain dogmas can exist
within the supposedly rational sphere of science .
   The destruction of the Earth , before Physical
Immortality becomes possible .
   A rogue star wondering into our vicinity.
   The eventual demise of the universe .



   Until relatively recently I was overwhelmed by one
of these dogmas ; namely the Hayflick limit , that
states that a human cell can only divide fifty times before
it becomes unviable and apoptosis should occur ; unless
the cell has become cancerous .
   In the latter instance a pathway , similar to that
of a stem cell , has been activated .
   The work of Wright and Shay has shown that the
application of the natural enzyme telomerase can
prolong the life of a human cell , in culture ,
indefinitely and to the best of my knowledge without
the onset of cancer or genetic abborations .

   The complete sequencing of the human genome was also
considered to be beyond any foreseeable technology ;
yet this has been completed to a high accuracy for
just about every base pair .
   This information may eventually unravel the pathways
involved in the regenerative capabilities of stem cells
and the wayward behavior of cancer cells .

   These are limits that don't appear to be as
insurmountable as they once did .


   Another ingrained dogma of science is that of Entropy.
   I'd thought for awhile that the work of Stephen Hawkings
had brought this into disrepute ; on the galaxtic scale.
   When we look at the nanoscale this concept doesn't retain
the usual meaning ; especially when we consider Brownian
Motion and the Casimir Effect .
   I suggest that this will be resolved to the advantage of
Physical Immortality ; in the future ,  and in the meantime
doesn't appear to be as important as  attaining a comprehensive
'blueprint' for the pathways that determine our cellular and
physical fate.

   Yet another dogma , negative index of refraction ; considered
to be impossible until the last ten years , yet something I
was considering as a possibility , thirty years ago .


   So , for now , perhaps we can consider a lesser definition
of Physical Immortality and then reconsider the situation
once this has been attained .


   I suggest that Practical Physical Immortalty be defined
as having an unaging body that is maintainable in a state
of near perfect health.

Don't surrender your
   Rationality,
   Humanity,
   Desire ;  especially for Physical  Immortality

Thank you for your words. I have studied the bible extensively in the past
and often reference it as I find wisdom in it regardless of its origin or
translation etc. I have to agree with you that if all is energy then there
is no need to pass on into some other type of energy to attain immortality.
I've always maintained that exploring alternate realities should be by
choice.
Christ said the kingdom of heaven is within. He didn't say we had to go
anywhere to get there.
As I write this I am experiencing the passing of a kidney stone which for
anyone who has had the displeasure can attest to the extreme discomfort. Im
afraid it makes me second guess all of my thought processes.
the more I ponder
the further I wonder
trying to find my way home
I forgot the instructions when I came
so round and round I roam :o)
peace
Sabra



From: "hamilton williams" <HamiltonWilliams@...>
Reply-To: physical_immortality@yahoogroups.com
To: physical_immortality@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [physical_immortality] where are the immortals?
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:21:35 -0000

     There was a time when most ideas of immortality were of the
religious variety that were usually stated as something like
"immortality is attained by dying and going to heaven".
No one ever seemed to describe exactly how that would happen or what
it would look like.    It is usually imagined as another body that
looks exactly like the one that we have now, but that is somehow
magically different.   (I say magically because what could make the
corruptible incorruptible?)   Hence, in movies people who die
sometimes reappear as ghosts looking exactly the same and even wearing
the exact same clothes.   So the basic idea behind this is that
immortality is achieved by "going somewhere else",   there is
something wrong with "here",  and there is somewhere else that is a
better place.   Just where this place could be `placed' is not
understood.  I think that some people once thought that San Francisco
might be like heaven because there was gold there.  I am told that
many were disappointed.     So where might heaven be located?  Is it
in the far reaches of the universe?   Would it be in a parallel
universe or alternate reality?

     In the most recent times,  many have stopped believing in such
things as heaven.    The so called `scientific' mind  states that all
we can know is what we perceive with our senses.   Our bodies are seen
as having evolved from the same stuff that creates mud or stars.   We
are biological machines that have attained self consciousness
(whatever that is!).     What becomes of immortality within this
belief system?   It becomes a simple case of exchanging body parts to
stay alive forever.     The ideas go from as subtle as coaxing the
body to grow new cells to replace damaged ones to as gross as
exchanging body parts with  mechanical duplicates.   Just rebuild the
engine and keep it oiled,  and maybe we won't have to address the
question of exactly what is `self consciousness'.

       Both of the above ideas have one thing in common.    The both
ignore the fact that

                 "physical matter" has been incontrovertibly proven to
not exist.

I will assume that most people who are reading this are familiar with
basic quantum physics and know the truth of the above statement.
Many people who have studied this know that the very world that we
live is an illusion,  a holographic projection of mind.  However, the
preponderance of these people will put down their physics books and go
about their daily lives creating beliefs that are based on the idea
that the world that they perceive is solid and real, even though they
know that's not true!    Why are people afraid to believe what they
know?
    If the `material' world that we perceive is not "real" ,  then what
is it?    A book could be written to answer that question.    In fact
a book has been written that addresses the question extensively, it's
called A Course In Miracles.   For the purpose of what I'm writing
here if will proffer the idea that the "material world" as we now
perceive it is a projection of our beliefs.  But behind that
projection is a kind of message.   A message that we don't yet
understand the meaning of.    A message from our Self,   about a way
Home.    A place of Knowing where beliefs have no meaning.

                How can our "bodies" die when they never truly existed?
    How can they live, where there is no "place" in which to live?


"Physical Immortality"-

             Why try to "die" and go someplace else?
             Why try to stay in a "here" that doesn't even exist?

It's called "physical immortality" because we seem to be perceiving a
"physical" world right now.   Listen to the "message" in what we are
perceiving.    Start to see what's real right where we perceive
ourselves to be.   The default is to stay "here".   Our "bodies" can
be experienced as  clearer  and clearer representations of our true
Selves without us having to "go somewhere else".    We don't have to
escape from our bodies to find Ourselves.
     And how do we know what is real in that which we perceive?


                         ~ Love ~


                 "Love all that you see
                   Live all that you feel
                   Know all that you possess."

There was a time when most ideas of immortality were of the
religious variety that were usually stated as something like
"immortality is attained by dying and going to heaven".
No one ever seemed to describe exactly how that would happen or what
it would look like.    It is usually imagined as another body that
looks exactly like the one that we have now, but that is somehow
magically different.   (I say magically because what could make the
corruptible incorruptible?)   Hence, in movies people who die
sometimes reappear as ghosts looking exactly the same and even wearing
the exact same clothes.   So the basic idea behind this is that
immortality is achieved by "going somewhere else",   there is
something wrong with "here",  and there is somewhere else that is a
better place.   Just where this place could be `placed' is not
understood.  I think that some people once thought that San Francisco
might be like heaven because there was gold there.  I am told that
many were disappointed.     So where might heaven be located?  Is it
in the far reaches of the universe?   Would it be in a parallel
universe or alternate reality?

    In the most recent times,  many have stopped believing in such
things as heaven.    The so called `scientific' mind  states that all
we can know is what we perceive with our senses.   Our bodies are seen
as having evolved from the same stuff that creates mud or stars.   We
are biological machines that have attained self consciousness
(whatever that is!).     What becomes of immortality within this
belief system?   It becomes a simple case of exchanging body parts to
stay alive forever.     The ideas go from as subtle as coaxing the
body to grow new cells to replace damaged ones to as gross as
exchanging body parts with  mechanical duplicates.   Just rebuild the
engine and keep it oiled,  and maybe we won't have to address the
question of exactly what is `self consciousness'.

      Both of the above ideas have one thing in common.    The both
ignore the fact that

                "physical matter" has been incontrovertibly proven to
not exist.

I will assume that most people who are reading this are familiar with
basic quantum physics and know the truth of the above statement.
Many people who have studied this know that the very world that we
live is an illusion,  a holographic projection of mind.  However, the
preponderance of these people will put down their physics books and go
about their daily lives creating beliefs that are based on the idea
that the world that they perceive is solid and real, even though they
know that's not true!    Why are people afraid to believe what they
know?
   If the `material' world that we perceive is not "real" ,  then what
is it?    A book could be written to answer that question.    In fact
a book has been written that addresses the question extensively, it's
called A Course In Miracles.   For the purpose of what I'm writing
here if will proffer the idea that the "material world" as we now
perceive it is a projection of our beliefs.  But behind that
projection is a kind of message.   A message that we don't yet
understand the meaning of.    A message from our Self,   about a way
Home.    A place of Knowing where beliefs have no meaning.

               How can our "bodies" die when they never truly existed?
   How can they live, where there is no "place" in which to live?


"Physical Immortality"-

            Why try to "die" and go someplace else?
            Why try to stay in a "here" that doesn't even exist?

It's called "physical immortality" because we seem to be perceiving a
"physical" world right now.   Listen to the "message" in what we are
perceiving.    Start to see what's real right where we perceive
ourselves to be.   The default is to stay "here".   Our "bodies" can
be experienced as  clearer  and clearer representations of our true
Selves without us having to "go somewhere else".    We don't have to
escape from our bodies to find Ourselves.
    And how do we know what is real in that which we perceive?


                        ~ Love ~


                "Love all that you see
                  Live all that you feel
                  Know all that you possess."

--- In physical_immortality@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Ray Hedges"
<truthlove@...> wrote:
>
> Simply speak of the Physical Immortality idea casually in each
> conversation to plant the seeds.
>
> Rbt
>

I am a Christian, and we believe that there are four categories of
people: UNJUST, FILTY, RIGHTEOUS, and HOLY (Rev. 22:11). This is
determined at conception by the mean of the spiritual energy category
of our parents, according to Carlos Castaneda's Tensegrity.
This means, according to L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology,  that Humans
are capable of four perception levels:

4. DIFFERENTIATION: the ability to perceive the differences between
similar things.
3. ASSOCIATION: the ability to perceive the similarities between
different things.
2. IDENTIFICATION: the INSANE inablity to perceive the differences
between different things.
1. DISSOCIATION: the INSANE inability to perceive the similarities
between similar things.
0. DEATH: the inability to perce3ive at all.

Therefore, going back to Jesus, there are FOUR possible outcomes when
people hear The Word of God, or THE TRUTH. Significant Data such as
the term "Physical Immortality."

1. BY THE WAY SIDE: These do not UNDERSTAND, RECEIVE, nor BELIEVE The
Truth. Therefore the Devils are able to remove this LOGOS Word-that-
is-God and feed upon it. This is how they survive.

2. ON THE ROCK: These understand, receive, and believe The Truth,
even joyfully - FOR A WHILE. when PRESSURE is put on them, and
following The Truth is no longer FUN, even "TOO PAINFUL," they
ABANDON THE TRUTH, and let The Devils take it away from them.

3. AMONG THORNS: These understand, receive, and believe, and are not
weak, but they find OTHER responsibilities, securities and pleasures
other than that of THE ONE PATH to Immortality to ABSORB THEIR
AWARENESS, so that there is NOTHING LEFT to achieve KEY Breakthroughs.

4. ON THE GOOD GROUND: These overcome ALL obstacles successfully, and
produce the EXACT FRUITS of The Words of God, gaining thrirty, sixty,
and one hundredfold.

          ============================================

If you belong to some non-evangelical system other than Christianity,
you will have to contrive a means to bring up the topic of
immortality amongst other people. You should know, that serious
pursuit of this Divine Option WILL COST YOU THE FRIENDSHIP of friends
and family who do not believe. You had better resign yourself to that
fact IMMEDIATELY, lest you lose EVERYTHING.

YOU CANNOT HAVE a spouse who does not believe as you believe.
YOU CANNOT HAVE children who do not believe as you believe.
YOU CANNOT HAVE employment amongst unbelievers.
YOU CANNOT HAVE the things unbelievers enjoy, and achieve your Goal.

Over the course of thousands of years, people who have had some
glimmer of The Truth, have decided to defy these prohibitions, and
have wound up forfeiting everything they tried to hang onto, AND
PHYSICAL IMMORTALITY.

Neglect of communication with fellow believers in Physical
Immortality is hazardous to your attainment of The Goal. You can even
forget that you ever had such a Goal. Look, if it has never happened
to you, one day it will. If it has never happened to you, you might
not believe me when I tell you that they day will come when Physical
Immortality will appear to you to be the stupidest thing you ever
heard of- IF YOU DO NOT ACTIVELEY COMMUNICATE WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

In Christianity, I say will authority, that 99% of us WILL NEVER
BELIEVE Physical Immortality is POSSIBLE, or should be sought after-
despite the fact that this was the explicit specification of Jesus.

PHYSICAL IMMORTALITY MUST BE EARNED.

It takes ALL one's HEART, ALL one's SOUL, ALL one's CONCENTRATION,
and ALL one's MIGHT to achive Immortality. The Gospel gives us
several options in which we can PRACTICE MAKING A SUPREME EFFORT.
That is, making that SUPREME EFFORT worth something.
You ask some people to make a supreme effort, and all they will do is
screw up their faces and FART! I mean that LITERALLY.
When the average woman is faced with murder-rape, in that order or
not, THEIR SUPREME EFFORT is to SAY somethings as LOUD as they can.
WHO are they trying to be, DC Comic's BLACK CANARY?

The ARROGANCE of women who grow up TOTALLY REFUSING to learn Martial
Arts disgusts me. I just pick on women as an example, (because I know
most of them are too weak to pick on me back!) but the average
private citizen anywhere in the World is DEAD HELPLESS when attacked
by even an UNARMED criminal! WHAT IF you spent your whole LIFE
studying how to deliver "the perfect roundhouse?" WHAT THEN?
You could, with a split-second opening, literally punch a mugger's
face IN. Totally cave in his SKULL! Supreme effort. A GORILLA or a
BEAR would do it WITHOUT THINKING, if it felt threatened. SUPREME
EFFORT.

The "SUPREME EFFORT" of the average modern man, "pinnacle of
evolution,"  cannot even programme a VCR! Cannot even remember their
lover's phone number if they lost their handset.

This is the advantage of Christianity- when it is used properly and
worked properly.  It takes a SUPREME EFFORT to JUST WALK AWAY, when
they slapped your right and left cheeks. It takes a SUPREME EFFORT to
GIVE UP YOUR SHORTS when the prosecution lawyer in a bull[*Bleep!*]
case, have just taken you to the cleaners. It takes a SUPREME EFFORT
to GO THE EXTRA MILE, with someone you don't want to go ONE INCH. It
takes a SUPREME EFFORT to LOVE YOUR ENEMY, and PRAY FOR HIM at 3
o'clock in the morning, AND TELL NO ONE. To FAST AND PRAY for PEOPLE
WHO HATE YOU. To give YOUR hard-earned cash to people who haven't
EARNED it, and will NOT be GRATEFUL.

The POINT of doing all this is that you GAIN the sort of WILLPOWER
that EXCEEDS THE FORCES OF NATURE. You GAIN the sort of CONCENTRATION
tat BLOCKS OUT PAIN and DISTRACTION where you ONLY respond to the
sense data that is IMPORTANT, and IGNORE the rest, or file it away to
be dealt with properly, later, when YOU choose.

There MAY be OTHER ways to do this. The TR's of Scientology (Training
regimens) have you complete a drill, while the instructor tries to
distract you. If you respond to the distraction, you fail the test,
and the instructor will flunk you. The funniest thing about
Scientology (which is not funny, at all) is that people fail to apply
this lesson to SCIENTOLOGY ITSELF, and fall into many of its TOTALLY
IRRELEVANT Distraction Programmes. Then they complain that they
were "distracted" from their "Goal" of achieving "CLEAR." (Total
Control of basic mind functions. i.e.: Total Recall.)

If THAT is your Goal, ALL you NEED is L. Ron Hubbard's first
Dianetics booki [DIANETICS: The Modern Science of Mental Health].
This cannot cost but a few dollars. ($2 in my country.)
If that is NOT your goal, you have NO BUSINESS messing with
Scientology. CHRISTIANS should have better sense than to think they
can BUY Salavtion, but millions of us DON'T. Scientology is supposed
to work by USING IT TO HELP OTHERS. THIS is one thing I NEVER heard
of those who claim to have achieved high levels in Scientology, and
then claim that it did them NO GOOD, to have done.

IF you are trying to achieve Physical Immortality, then you have to
be open and fair-minded about Spiritual Knowledge. I have had abuse
and mockery in my own group, for teaching what I believe about
Physical Immortality. "You're AFRAID TO DIE!" I have been told.

Hell, yes! I believe any sensible person should be afraid to take a
guaranteed one-way journey. Don't you?
Furthermore, I find that "God" does not seem very respectful of Human
Life. How can I be sure I can trust HIM to take care of my soul?

However, I preach LITERALLY Everlasting Life BECAUSE that is what
JESUS taught. If JESUS had taught that we HAVE TO die, I would have
preached THAT instead. I WAS preaching it, when I first became a
Christian, then I read The Bible for myself, and found out that the
clergy have been lying to us for the past two thousand years.

My challenge to all Christians who disagree with what I teach, is
that if they can REFUTE ANY ONE of my teachings, doctrines, or
points, I shall give LAYMEN $100, or CLERGYMEN of any church, sect,
or denomination $1,000.

I find that when I shine THIS little Light, they scuttle for cover
like rats and cockcroaches, and cannot answer me. WHY would this be?
WHY teach things you cannot prove?

-Olatunde Aroloye.

Dear Group:

I use FASTING for all my health and weight solutions.
Did you know that if you fast for 72 hours, you will be immunized
against colds and catarrh for a month?

If you can fast 40 days and nights (960 hours), you can even cure
yourself of cancer.

Fasting is the complete abstinence from all forms of solid or liquid
nourishment. Wicked people teach that you cannot take water during
fasting. That is complete nonsense. Water is not a food. It is when
all the food has been exhausted from your stomach and intestines that
fasting begins. This takes 72 hours. Also, the carbohydrate stored in
the liver and muscles must be thoroughly depeleted for TRUE fasting
to even begin.

Once you have experienced the sensation of TRUE fasting, no one will
ever be able to deceive you again. However, the physiological side-
effects are incredible. When you do your first 72-hour fast, you will
realize that your mind has always had a background noise whose
presence you maybe never appreciated, until it stops. You will
understand that the daily stomach-stuffing vice of sinners is the
means by which Man is tricked into the abominable custom of digging
its own grave with its mouth, bite-by-bite.

Wicked people who fast, let others know when they are doing so.
People of God never let on. This act build character. from it you
learn control. Evildoers who let on that they are fasting never tell
the unititiated that after 72 hours, YOU NO LONGER FEEL HUNGRY.
If you have never fasted before, the first week will even be painful.
By the fourteenth day, your metabolism will have adjusted to getting
all its need from the stored fat supply. If you are of normal weight,
and don't do silly things, like climbing mountains every day, or
hiking across desrts, and manual labour, like punching out Mike
Tyson, and so on, your onboard-food supply will last you for about
six weeks. At this point, hunger normally resumes- but on a par with
narcotics-withdrawal agonies.

If you can control the urge to eat everything in sight- including
your mother, her pot of chicken soup, and the pot also- you can do
anything you like with your body, or not, as you will. No one will be
able to force you to do anything, ever again. You will never yield to
any temptation or torture.

To break the fast after 72 hours is not easy. One must follow a
carefully-planned diet, beginning with diluted natural fruit juice
(fresh citrus is best). NEVER break your fast with milk, or you will
surely regret it for months, even years. All your intestinal flora
will have died when the body looked everywhere for food. If any part
of the body is malfunctioning, it will repair, consume, or replace it
automatically. This process cures ugly scars, cancers, and tumours.

You need up to two litres of fresh water every day, which must be
drunk slowly in small sips. You want as much of your GIT to remain
dormant for as long as possible.

If you were chronically underweight or overweight, no matter how much
you dieted or ate, after you have resumed normal eating, your weight
will go to what should be normal for your bone structure. If you
needed eight or more hours of sleep, you may need as little as four,
and consider the time spent sleeping as a waste! If your hair was
grey from ageing, its natural colour will resume growing out, if you
are even as old as eighty. If you needed spectacles, your eyes may
require a weaker prescription, or even no prescription at all, as
from 240 hours of fasting (ten days and nights).

If you were addicted to heroin, cocaine, nicotine, caffeine, and that
most horrible poisonous drug of all, SUGAR, you won't need them anay
more.

YOUR HEALTH IS IN YOUR OWN HANDS.

The specific instruction on how to break fasts of all lengths safely
is in my web page:

http://www.geocities.com/objectivechristianity/fastenergy.html

I hope to hear your testimony of great results!

-Olatunde Aroloye.

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Join Allan Jensen and Willow Aureal for a
discussion/workshop/presentation on the subject of LIfe Extension and
Immortality: choosing how long you want to live!

We will be meeting with other immortalists (learn about the
Immortality Cult!) on March 19, 12pm at Anuenue Health Food Store in
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I notice that a senior partner in Intel has an interest in stem cell
research .
   As you probably noticed I  take a rather concise approach toward
this research ; as it is presently the research is rather primitive ; this I
mentioned awhile ago .

   At the World Transhumanists Asscociation  website  I notice a number of
new technologies under development , including nanotechnology , in
particular
bio-nanotechnology .

    All of this is interesting and potentially useful for research into
regenerative
  medicine , however there's no clear  motivation  for studying this ,
whereas my
  objectives are very clear and always of paramount importance .

   Don't be misled stem cell research and regenerative medicine are
significant .
   We all started out as stem cells  ;  as did  much of the life of this
planet  .

   A recent emphasis upon the cancerous state of embryonic and adult stem
cells
detracts from the eventual ability to rectify these problems .
   Having worked in the area of cancer diagnosis I know how limited the
previous
approaches have been and how limited the present approaches are .








----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Ray Hedges <truthlove@...>
To: <physical_immortality@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: [physical_immortality] Creating Immortality by word.


> Simply speak of the Physical Immortality idea casually in each
> conversation to plant the seeds.
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Simply speak of the Physical Immortality idea casually in each
conversation to plant the seeds.

Rbt

Please take a look,

www.the.stemtechhealth.com

Thank You
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