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#545 From: "Alex Alaniz, PhD" <akalaniz@...>
Date: Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:52 am
Subject: Transhuman conflict akalaniz
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Dear fellow members,

I work at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where, among other
activities, research is conducted in simulating artificial societies.
  Recently, a large-scale supercomputer study was released simulating
the effects of a terror strike in virtual cities in the United States.
  See:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.washingtonpost.com/w\
p-dyn/content/article/2005/07/03/AR2005070300880_pf.html&ei=xz76QrnDFanKigG2jfCR\
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Along these lines, I have recently published a science fiction book to
popularize the state-of-the-art research ideas I like to work on (
ISBN: 1419609440 ).  It received a glowing review from a New York
Times best selling author.  It is available at Amazon.com at:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1419609440/qid=1123599258/sr=1-1/r\
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The "Buy Now" button is missing (will be fixed in a few days) BUT the
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I encourage you to read the online reviews and would welcome feedback
from fellow members.

With warm regards,

Alex

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#540 From: "gedcda72" <sciwise@...>
Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:50 am
Subject: Slow Progress , HGH , Hibernation gedcda72
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Stem Cell Research is really progressing at a rather
  slow pace ; the World Transhumanists are placing some hope
  upon a Singularity , where technological progress accelerates
  at an incredible ; and potentially unpredictable rate .

    In my opinion this would be preferable to the snails pace of
  progress that we see now .
    Others however , possibly including R.R.Hedges , have seen
  that certain applications of technology can be destorted and
  abused for personal ; and short lived gain .

    What has been accomplished , is the sequencing of the human
  genome , initialization of various proteomics projects ;
  gradually improving computer power , a necessity if we're
  really going to be able to comprehend the intricate behavior
  of various molecules and biochemical pathways .
    Also a few new ways of imaging biological samples , in particular
  scanning tunneling microscopes , NASA has a version that's handheld;
  maybe someone will miniturise this even further and mass produce
  it , possibly as a PC peripheral or integral part of a mobile
  Personal Assistant [ PDA ] or whatever.
    Some of the biological pathways are known for certain unique cells,
  in particular , blood cells .

   What needs to be accomplished , readily available and comprehensible
  information for everyone ; not many can afford to subscribe to
Science  Journals .
   A compendium of developments that are moving us towards
  Physical Immortality , not just hodge podge developments.
   Freedom for everyone to hold the hope of Physical Immortality and
  contribute , when able , to this ; without religious , political ,
  economic or other pressures to the contrary .

    Regards Stem Cell Research , in particular , Embryonic Stem Cell
  Research , the science as it is presently , may appear rather
primitive , especially as it has yet to be coupled with the wealth
  of information available from the Human Genome Project .
    However this basic research needs to be done , there's no way that
  this is irrelevant or incorrect , just the interpretations we place
  upon the results.

   To say that embryonic stem cell research is irrelevant and of no
  use is to say that we developed from something that was unviable
  and non-essential ; whereas there's a wealth of evidence to the
contrary. This is very much an adult perspective , especially of
  those who have a distorted ' inner child ' as part of their
  personality .
   If this research helps people in the present then this might
  be seen , for now , as an extra  benefit , relative to what the
  situation has been to date .
   Embryonic Stem Cell research is condoned in Israel , a nation
  that remembers the holocaust and continues to learn from that
  unfortunate experience , I'm not certain how other groups from
  the extermination camps view this research .

   For regenerative purposes one might prefer a ' drug ' that
reprogrammed adult cells , simulating the environment found in an
enucleated egg , and possobly gene therapy to correct or enhance
the cloned cell  . Selective application of telomerase might be
appropriate.

   Part of the necessary structure will be , readily available and
  inexpensive , bio-reactor to  ' grow ' tissue for transplantation.
    This is something that can be very readily accomplished with our
  present technology.


    The most important aspect to all of this though is a desire to
  experience Physical Immortality ; without that  any other apparent
  progress is meaningless .




    Has anyone tried Human Growth Hormone , does consumption of this
  increase the likelihood of cancer ?


    I read recently , possibly at the ScienceDaily website  , about
  the effects that Hydrogen Sulfide has upon cells and animals ,
  a very dilute intravenous injjection of this slows down the
metabolism remarkably ; essentially placing the animal in suspended
animation or hibernation . The process is reversible by introducing
higher levels of oxygen into the environment . Possibly a survival
mechanism from the time when Hydrogen Sulfide levels varied
considerably more than they tend to nowadays .

   An animal in this state is less susceptible to injury and trauma.
   NASA are investigating this for astronauts who may experience
  long periods in space , in transit between plants , for instance .

   The June 2005 edition of Scientific American might cover this
  specific aspect of suspended animation .

   A consideration if progress is going to be as slow as we're
  observing presently .

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#536 From: "cheryl99cat" <cheryl99cat@...>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 9:41 am
Subject: Anyone tried..... cheryl99cat
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Has anyone ever tried Colloidal Gold?  I've run across a site at:
http://colloidalgoldmachines-central.com/

They sell Colloidal Gold and have just introduced an automatic machine
that makes Colloidal Gold.

Anyone have any experience with this?

Cheryl

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#533 From: Kathy V <priya_kathy@...>
Date: Sat Mar 5, 2005 5:41 pm
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#532 From: Charles Cohn <chasmagc@...>
Date: Fri Mar 4, 2005 4:14 pm
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At 03:46 AM 3/4/2005, you wrote:


>Hi everyone,
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>I currently work in a genetics lab investigating mitochondrial
>dysfunction in C. elegans and am very interested in putative methods
>of curing mitochondrial diseases. Perchance anyone here have any
>expertise in this area of mitochondrial research/medicine?

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#531 From: "xris0" <xris0@...>
Date: Fri Mar 4, 2005 8:46 am
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Hi everyone,

I currently work in a genetics lab investigating mitochondrial
dysfunction in C. elegans and am very interested in putative methods
of curing mitochondrial diseases. Perchance anyone here have any
expertise in this area of mitochondrial research/medicine?

Aside from Aubrey, do you all have some favorite essayists on
anti-aging topics? Any one into Kurzweil's books or Kaku's Visions?

Best,

-chris

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www.biologicalgerontology.com

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#529 From: "twousa3000" <ricercaarchtwo@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:49 pm
Subject: Easter 2005 - The Holy Shroud twousa3000
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Back from Africa, where I was a secular missionary  in the Kayon
Ghozi's leprosary (Burundi) because of health reasons, I wrote these
lucky Flashes of mine, which got a resounding success ,on Turin's
HOLY SHROUD.
Prof. Harry Gove,which made the Holy Shroud date back to the middle-
ages in 1988 by the method  14C, already in 1995, in the light on the
latest scientific knowledge, realised that the dating was wrong .
The Mystery of the Holy Shroud print,which couldn't be made by men
at all, must be correlated to the Mystery of the Resurrection of
Jesus,Who was wrapped in the Holy Shroud after being buried  and rose
from the death in the Holy Shroud.
The Faith we feel in our heart needn't any confirmation, but Turin's
Holy Shroud  becomes  an unequivocal  one, beyond our will.
The end of my Flashes  contains a twelve/thirteen lined brief
synthesis of my life.

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#528 From: "priya_kathy" <priya_kathy@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:00 am
Subject: check this awesome Health Directory priya_kathy
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Hello,

I have always had problems using search engines to find what I wanted,
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#524 From: vegwriter@...
Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:40 am
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http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/ap_Kurzweil_050213.html

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#523 From: vegwriter@...
Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:39 am
Subject: New study shows that Infusion of Young Blood Revives Old Muscles vegwriter
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http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050216_young_blood.html

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050216_young_blood.html

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#522 From: vegwriter@...
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:09 pm
Subject: Cambridge, UK researcher works on 5,000-year human lifespan vegwriter
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http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,929447,00.html

Here's the first of the five pages:

Jonathan Worth

Aubrey de Grey’s ideas are often met with skepticism, but, he says, “I haven’t been thrown out of any rooms yet.”

The Prophet of Immortality
Controversial theorist Aubrey de Grey insists that we are within reach of an engineered cure for aging. Are you prepared to live forever?

By Joseph Hooper | January 2005

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On this glorious spring day in Cambridge, England, the heraldic flags are flying from the stone towers, and I feel like I could be in the 17th century—or, as I pop into the Eagle Pub to meet University of Cambridge longevity theorist Aubrey de Grey, the 1950s. It was in this pub, after all, that James Watson and Francis Crick met regularly for lunch while they were divining the structure of DNA and where, in February 1953, Crick made his breathless announcement that they had succeeded.

Aubrey de Grey has no victory pronouncements to make as of yet, but he is vigorously pursuing an even more challenging project. Using the legacy that Watson and Crick bequeathed us, he proposes to tinker with the essential biochemical pathways that drive the aging process. De Grey contends that we know enough to intelligently map out a program of anti-aging intervention research such that sometime in the next 100 years, and quite possibly much sooner, the average human life span may be 5,000 years, a figure brought short of outright immortality by the small number of people who will die from non-age-related diseases and everybody else who, given the boggling amount of time available to them on the planet, will eventually do something unlucky or stupid like walk in front of a moving rocket car. In de Grey time, the 400-year span between Shakespeare’s England and today would be but the blink of an eye.

I slide in behind a venerable wooden table at the Eagle and take my first measure of the man. De Grey, 41, is lanky and favors the classic combination of T-shirt, old jeans and sneakers. He has a Rasputin-length beard that he strokes incessantly. He’s a confirmed drinker of fine English ales, and when he makes a strong point, which is often, he raps his pint glass on the table like a judge bringing his court to order. The pronouncements are delivered in a moderately posh English drawl, with a touch of a lisp. “Cambridge is so full of eccentrics,” he says, “nothing surprises anybody over here. And there are plenty of people with beards my size. But some in the university do find it hard to get used to the idea that someone would actually be doing seriously significant academic work in his spare time.” De Grey, you see, is not, as he is sometimes mistaken to be, a professor of genetics at Cambridge but a half-time research associate with a day job managing a genetics database.

The history of radical solutions to the problem of human aging is colorful yet rather lacking in distinction. Until the dawn of modern medicine, the standard prescription was that old men should inhale the sweet breath of virgin girls to restore “innate moisture.” At the end of the 19th century, the physician Charles E. Brown-Séquard recommended an injection of the macerated sex glands of monkeys or dogs to keep the sands of time at bay. In the go-go 1990s, a Virginia medical school professor, William Regelson, sold a ton of books touting the “melatonin miracle” as an aging cure-all and hormonal good-for-what-ails-you.

To distinguish themselves from the charlatans and hype purveyors, mainstream academics tend to be circumspect about the work they do in the biology of aging. But in the past 15 years, the field has been revved by startling breakthroughs. The human genome, our entire complement of DNA, has been decoded, opening the possibility of tinkering with our genetic makeup. And scientists are learning to manipulate embryonic stem cells to make them grow into any kind of tissue. The long-term implications of these discoveries have barely been teased out by biologists, who tend to be cautious by nature and training. So the speculative arena has been left largely to a theoretician, de Grey, who wouldn’t know a DNA analyzer from a protein sequencer but who is promoting the unthinkable: that the human race is on the verge of figuring out how to live darn near forever.

The key to this rosy scenario is a sort of biological Ponzi scheme that de Grey has dubbed “escape velocity.” The idea is simple. If scientists can find ways to intervene in the cellular processes that cause our bodies to age—managing to keep middle-aged people alive an additional 40 years, say—that extra 40 years will buy enough time for biogerontological engineers to solve other damage problems before they emerge. Think of the body as a leaky boat. You don’t have to keep it bone-dry to stay afloat; you just have to bail out the water at the same rate it’s coming in. Or, as de Grey says, “You don’t have to fix everything you’re ever going to get. You only have to fix things in time.”

De Grey’s scientific career, like everything else about him, smacks of oddness and self-invention. A Cambridge-educated computer scientist, he hasn’t taken a biology class since he was a 15-year-old schoolboy at Harrow. He is essentially self-taught, originally tutored by his wife, a former biology professor. He acquired his doctorate in biology by way of a hoary, little-used Cambridge shortcut: Without ever registering for graduate study, he submitted to the university a book he’d written on the mitochondria, the power plants of cells. His paying work involves managing a database on fruit flies, that staple of genetics research. But in recent years he has progressed from fruit flies to gadfly, becoming a jet-setting provocateur at a seemingly nonstop parade of gerontology conferences, as well as editing a somewhat fringy quarterly journal, Rejuvenation Research. Everything but the editing gig he does on his own time, pro bono, subsidized by expenses-paid invitations and a few patrons and true believers. Whatever else you can say about de Grey, he gives a good PowerPoint presentation. My favorite image from his bag of lectures is a chart that compares aging with fox hunting. Both are traditional, both are effective ways to keep a population down, and both are “fundamentally barbaric.”


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De Grey’s delight in his own powers of persuasion is so guileless, it’s barely off-putting. “At one workshop/conference I organized last year,” he recalls, “I got an interminable standing ovation at the end.” But even if no one thinks as highly of de Grey as de Grey himself, it would be a mistake to write him off as just another charismatic kook. Two years ago, he helped create the Methuselah Foundation, which is now privately funded to the tune of half a million dollars. The foundation will award a succession of prizes to scientists as their lab mice break either of two records: for overall longevity, or for longevity after interventions beginning at middle age—lab-manipulated rodents being the essential stepping-stone to human life extension. One of the advisers to the Methuselah Foundation is no less a scientific entrepreneur than Peter Diamandis, whose X Prize helped wrap people’s minds around another initially implausible idea, commercial spaceflight. And sitting opposite de Grey and me at the Eagle is John Archer, a bona fide Cambridge professor and a leading authority on bioremediation, the use of microbes to clean up toxins in the environment. De Grey has sold Archer on the feasibility of identifying tenacious strains of bacteria in soil (“You can find bacteria that digest rubber,” de Grey says), genetically modifying them for compatibility with humans, then delivering the bacterial genes to human cells to aid with the never-ending job of breaking down the metabolic waste that leads to macular degeneration (the leading cause of blindness in the elderly), heart disease and Alzheimer’s. “It’s sort of human engineering,” Archer says. “It crosses boundaries, and that’s exciting.”

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From: "thepoetskiss" <thepoetskiss@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 3:18 pm
Subject: JESUS DIED FOR HIMSELF, NO ONE ELSE!

>>JESUS DIED FOR HIMSELF, NO ONE ELSE!<<

>>"WE ALL REAP WHAT WE SOW" IS A POWERFUL TRUTH.<<
>>NOT EVEN JESUS COULD CHANGE THAT.<<

 

Your message reads like something I wrote: It is very heartening to me to see that SOME PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO GET THE POINT!

>>JESUS DIED FOR HIS OWN LIMITATIONS AND SINS AND HE ASCENDED THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION
WHERE HE GOT A NEW GLORIFIED BODY HERE ON THIS EARTH.<<

 

The conventional wisdom is that Jesus was �perfect,� and as such never HAD any sins of his own he needed to die for. In reality, he did commit sin, and this is not some exotic doctrine, but it is plainly recorded in The Bible that:

1. He broke The Sabbath; 2. He failed to honour his mother; 3. He introduced an Unknown God; 4. He employed deliberate deceit.

He did not die for his sins, or his limitations. It was a voluntary act on his part. His giving up his life does not mean the same as when ordinary people give up their lives: THEY KNOW THAT IT IS A ONE-WAY TICKET- a DEAD-END. TO ONE SUCH AS Jesus, DEATH is just a Revolving Door!

What is so terrible about Jesus� alleged sacrifice is that IT IMPLIES THAT THOSE WHO ACCEPT HIS DEATH AS BEING SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS BECOME HIS PROPERTY.

It gets better and better- his 3� years ministry is supposed to have entitles him to become THE EMPEROR OF THE WORLD FOR ETERNITY: �Ruling the Nations with a Rod of Iron,� no less!

The �GLORIFIED BODY� Special effect stunt is REALLY impressive to people whose ONLY permissible spiritual Knowledge comes from VERY LOUSY BIBLE STUDY CLASSES. Anyone who can tell you MORE than what the Rabbis know IS AUTOMATICALLY A �WITCH,� AN �ENCHANTER,� A �DIVINER,� A �NECROMANCER,� or whatever, AND MUST BE PUT TO DEATH. Even PROPHETS got put to Death.

Humans are seen by the INEFFICIENT, that is to say, UNPROFITABLE reflection of LIGHT WAVES falling on them- just like the INANIMATE OBJECTS. When a person becomes a PROFITABLE ENTITY, he has the option of AMPLIFYING WHATEVER comes his way (30, 60, or 100-fold). Such a person can and will, under certain circumstances, GLOW.

That Jesus experienced this during his lifetime does not necessarily imply that Jesus had had this level of Power all along, or possessed it at his Death.

>>WHEN MEN WAKE TO THEIR DIVINITY AS JESUS DID THEY TOO WILL CLIMB THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION<<
>>AND GET A NEW GLORIFIED BODY. THE FLESH WILL BE CHANGED IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE.<<

 

UNFORTUNATELY, the process of obtaining this Experience takes somewhat longer than �the twinkling of an eye.�

>>EVERY MAN MUST KILL SIN,THE DEVIL, SICKNESS AND DISEASE FOR HIMSELF.<<
>>IF JESUS DID THIS FOR MAN, MAN WOULD NOT GET SICK.<<

 

PRECISELY THE POINT! If people followed Jesus EXACTLY, they would experience the fruits of his Power for themselves. But then, their PERSONAL FREEDOM would be PERMANENTLY COMPROMISED.

>>MAN MUST AWAKEN TO HIS IMMORTALITY AND DIVINE ONENESS WITH AND EQUALITY WITH GOD HIMSELF. (PHILLIPIANS 2:4-6)<<
>>"THIS MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY".<<
>>THIS CORRUPTED, LIMITED SINNER THOUGHT MUST PUT ON THE INCORRUPTED,<<
>>UNLIMITED THOUGHT OF ITSELF AS PERFECT GOD.<<

 

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR CHRISTIANS TO REALIZE is that the FRAGMENTARY WRITINGS of men dead for 2,000 years is NOT going to help much in obtaining what THEY THEMSELVES failed to implement DURING THEIR LIFETIMES.

>>GOD SEES MAN AS PERFECT. THAT IS WHY JESUS COMMANDED MAN TO BE PERFECT AS GOD THE FATHER IN HEAVEN IN MATTHEW 5:48. MAN NEVER WAS A SINNER, ONLY IN THEORY AND UNLIMITED THINKING. "AS A MAN THINKETH IN HIS HEART SO IS HE".<<

 

It is easy to get hung up on Language and miss the POINT of what the writer is trying to say. I guarantee that some Christian fanatics are going to CHOKE on the ONE statement that �God sees Man as perfect,� and think only of The Bible�s blasting men for their imperfections, and PERCEIVE NO FURTHER INTO THE STATEMENT. (Assuming they could read this far, anyway.)

>>THE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS NEVER HAPPENED. YOU HAVE NO NEED, NOR CAN YOU KILL A GLORIFIED BODY.<<

 

The historical record speaks for itself. If you change this eyewitness account, you can never rely on anything The Bible says after that. The dude DIED. Apparently, the �Glorified Body� cannot survive being nailed to a tree and dehydrated.

>>YOU BEST RETHINK THIS CHRISTIAN JESUS. YOU MAY DISCOVER THAT THIS CHRISTIAN JESUS NEVER EXISTED AT ALL. THEN YOU WILL BE FREE TO
DISCOVER YOUR OWN I AM PRESENCE AND OR HIGHER SELF AS GOD,THE FATHER IN HEAVEN.<<

 

We got about THREE Jesuses here: THE BIBLE Jesus, the Christian Jesus, and YOUR Jesus, whom you think was never crucified, and never died.

That said, it is a fact that NO ONE will ever be able to get ANYWHERE without THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, and RECONSIDERING everything that he has been TOLD about Jesus, with a view to holding fast only to that which is NECESSARY in order to VERIFY FOR HIMSELF.

>>MAN MUST DIE FOR HIMSELF AS JESUS DID! NOT AFTER DEATH BUT BEFORE DEATH. HE WHO GOES TO THE GRAVE IS A FAILURE. PHYSICAL DEATH IS A CHOICE, "A GRAVE MISTAKE!" THE DEATH OF THE FALLEN, LIMITED EGO MUST PRECEEDE THE DEATH OF THE PHYSICAL BODY, AND THEN THE BODY WILL NOT NEED TO DIE. THIS REQUIRES A NEAR PERFECT MEATLESS DIET AND STRICT CELIBACY.<<

 

The essential Principles are solid, however the DIETARY Principle is WRONG: to follow it will lead to the same FATAL ERROR all other practitioner wannabes fell into. (You will kick yourself to realize what it is!) To kill PLANTS for food is just as bad as killing ANIMALS! Are they not all living things? The Oriental Holy men so declare their piety, never having killed an animal in their lives- whereas they kill uncounted thousands of single-celled organisms with every glass of drinking water. Every time they take their bath. And when they eat their precious vegetable diets, they had to KILL grains of rice, their legumes, their carrots, lettuce leaves, and so on.

 

Inefficient living means that the LIFE ENERGY REPLENISHMENT that flows to every living thing from Heaven, without which we could not live at all, is not completely utilized, leading to the need to substitute OTHER beings� life forces, and the gradual accumulation of MEST which leads to the DEATH of the organism.

>>NOW YOU KNOW WHY MEN DO NOT LIVE A CHRIST LIFE. THEY ARE ADDICTED TO THE PHYSICAL ORGASM AND MATERIALITY.<<

 

Men are addicted to THE THREE LAWS OF MOTION. THAT is the ONLY cause of Death. Materialism is full of INEFFICIENT PROCESSES, and SEX is easily the WORST of them.

>>PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF STOCK IN THEIR CHRISTIAN IDOL OF JESUS.<<

 

Just because an idol is not MATERIAL does not mean that it is more authentic. However, the thing which the idolizers of God and Jesus fail to understand is that IF they CONCEIVE corrupted Attributes for their God or their Saviour, THEY ARE STILL BOUND TO ACT ON THEIR CONCEPTION: it is IMPOSSIBLE to DISTORT the Concept of God so far from The Truth that one is absolved of RESPONSIBILITY while doing this INNOCENTLY and HONESTLY. No one has yet been able to convince me they are justified in BREAKING and IGNORING Jesus� Teachings.

 

>>THE REAL JESUS WOULD HAVE BEEN CELIBATE AND A VEGETARIAN.<<

 

SPIRITUALITY IS NOT DEPENDENT ON not eating MEAT! the PROOF of this is that THOSE WHO SAID THAT IT IS are UNABLE to come up with COMPARABLE RESULTS to what Jesus produced in his time, and Pentecostal Christians produce in OUR time. Jesus WAS celibate, though HE should not have had to be, because he was the FIRSTBORN of a Virgin Mother. (Whether the �Virgin Birth� story is TRUE or NOT.) Such people can have ALL the sex they WANT, without it affecting their spirituality, while us lesser mortals have to just stick our noses in our Scriptures and put family-making on HOLD.

 

>>TRUE FOLLOWERS DO THE SAME. DID YOU KNOW THAT JESUS WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN? NOW YOU KNOW WHY!<<
>>POET<<

 

Well, you know Jesus would surely be condemned, in every Church in the World today, if he dare come to earth and show his face!

It HAS to be ANNOYING to have to wade through the various TRADITIONAL MISCONCEPTIONS and DISTORTIONS concerning The Gospel of Jesus and Christian Religion.

 

-Olatunde Aroloye

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Jesus defeated death not for him but for all of us.

 

Jesus defeated Death, all right, but his Victory means NOTHING to us unless we FOLLOW HIS SYSTEM. Anyone who adopts the SAME spiritual Profile as he imposed on his TRUE Disciples will NOT ONLY become UNTOUCHABLE to Death, but DEATH WILL BE UNABLE TO FUNCTION in their near vicinity.

 

NO CHRISTIAN, however has believed that for the nineteen hundred years after The Gospels were released. Not until very recently.

 

>> In order to open to all us the door towards a happy eternity. He defeated death to let us win that "useless passion" that is the short life on earth, opening prospectives of infinite when every way seemed closed by the black wall of a final and inevitable end.<<

 

Making up poems about The truth is NOT the same as DOING The Truth. WHY�s are NOT important: HOWs are what people need.

If you DON�T SPECIFICALLY SAY, that ALL that is needed to BENEFIT form Jesus� defeat of Death is THAT WE FOLLOW JESUS' TEACHINGS, and BEWARE of those of The False Disciples, The Apostles, it is probably because YOU REALLY DON�T KNOW.

 

Here we will talk about His Resurrection, trying to answer some questions as the ones which follow for example:
- Why can we understand the sense of our life only thinking of eternity ?

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, BUB.

- What are the reasons of our Faith?

 

The ancient (White) caveman is depicted in Western carton literature as a brute who secured his woman by hitting her over the head with a big club. (These are the geniuses who figured out, all by themselves, that they came from the apes- or, as one evolution-learner has explained to me- something LOWER.) This shock affected racial memory, which comes out through the subconscious, after the woman is married, when she will continually tell you, �I have a headache.�

 

No, actually, God descended from Heaven one day, and began to declare His Commandments, and all the people saw the thunder, and heard the lightning, and the ground shaking, and the hills dancing like labs, and they ran from the Presence of The LORD, because one does not poopoop oneself when one is in The Presence of the LORD. And this incident passed into racial Memory and comes out in the subconscious mind, when little children ask their elders, �Gran�dad? Why do so many people believe in �God�? Is God REAL?� And grandpa replies, stroking his beard, �Well,� [PAUSE] �let�s just say, �There�s no smoke without fire.�

[PAUSE] �Hmm. Now excuse me. I think� I have to be somewhere� �

 

People have FAITH because FAITH HAS A BASIS, and the Basis is that FAITH WORKS.

- And what about people who do not have Faith?

 

They are ON THEIR OWN, bub.

- Why death?

 

Because �the Body cannot live without the Mind.� Try it, �and find out!�

Do too much of the stuff what kills ya,� Not enough of the stuff that fills you full of �extra vigor and vitality,�**

And you WILL CROAK.

[**Local Ref. sorry, couldn�t resist]

- Can reason and common sense help us in our Faith?

 

I hope to God that that was a PURELY RHETORICAL question!

- What is the mistake in the hypothesis which deny Jesus Christ?

NEED ANOTHER SEVEN ASTRONAUTS.

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To all the readers a loving greeting

-Olatunde Aroloye

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#516 From: "Sage" <imthrivin@...>
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ABSTRACT IDOLATRY.

EXODUS 20:1-7.

AND God spake all these words, saying,
2. �I am the LORD thy God,
Which have brought thee out of the Land of Egypt,
out of the House of Bondage.
3. �Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
4. �Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
or any likeness of any Thing that is in Heaven above,
or that is in the Earth beneath,
or that is in the Water under the Earth.
5. �Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the Children
unto the third and fourth Generation of them that hate me;
6. �And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep My Commandments.
7. �Thou shalt not take the Name of the LORD thy God in vain;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.�

JOHN 7:37-43.

37. In the Last Day, that Great Day of the Feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying,
�If any man Thirst,
let him come unto me, and Drink.
38. �He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said,
�OUT OF HIS BELLY SHALL FLOW
RIVERS OF LIVING WATER.� �

39. [But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive:
for the Holy Ghost was not yet given;
because that Jesus was not yet glorified.]
40. Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said,
�Of a truth this is THE Prophet.�
41. Others said,
�This is the Christ.�
But some said,
�Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42. �Hath not the scripture said,
�THAT CHRIST COMETH OF THE SEED OF DAVID,�and
�OUT OF THE TOWN OF BETHLEHEM,�
where David was?�

JHN:007:043 So there was a division among the people because of him.

THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL were greatly privileged to be rescued from Slavery by a bona fide manifestation of God The Creator.
This, however, has been a WASTE. Nothing much ever came of it, unless you count The Bible. A mystical tome no one has ever understood. The Key to Immortality Itself, its adherents have consistently PERISHED in every generation, because of its vagueness and contradictive nature. When you HAVE Pure LIFE Itself, it can only be rendered useless by adding DEATH to it.
Which is what has happened.

For example, Jesus, gave a marvelous prophetic interpretation of Isaiah�s Prophecy, of the great spiritual awakening to come, when LIFE ENERGIES would FLOW IN ABUNDANCE from the Centre of Power on the Cocoon, situated on the bellies of men.
The opening of that center is one of the main Objective Goals of spiritual practice.
To fail to open it is like going to all the classes for NATURAL CHILDBIRTH- study all the diagrams, the charts, sit through all the lectures, spend thousands of hours doing breathing exercises and Hatha Yoga- then when the time comes, you opt for CAESAREAN.

Jesus surely explained to his Disciples about this Centre of Power: if you deal with Power, YOU CANNOT MISS IT.

JOHN 15:11-17.

11. �These things have I spoken unto you,
that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full.
12. �This is my Commandment,
�THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER,
AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.�
13. �Greater love hath no man than this,
�THAT A MAN LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS FRIENDS.�
14. �Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I Command you.
15. �Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends;
FOR ALL THINGS THAT I HAVE HEARD OF MY FATHER
I HAVE MADE KNOWN UNTO YOU.
16. �Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you,
that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:
that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, He may give it you.
17. �These things I command you, that ye love one another.�

JESUS� Disciples didn�t CARE about Jesus as much as he cared about THEM, so it is no wonder that THAT SAME EVENING they betrayed him to his face. After swearing that they would all die with him- no doubt to wheedle the last possible Blessings of Power out of him- having got what they wanted, they ran off and left him with people intending to bring him in, dead or alive- preferably dead.

MARK 14: 27-31.

27. And Jesus saith unto them,
"All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written,
'I WILL SMITE THE SHEPHERD,
AND THE SHEEP SHALL BE SCATTERED.'
28. "But after that I am risen, I will go before you into Galilee.
29. But Peter said unto him,
"Although all shall be offended, yet will not I."
30. And Jesus saith unto him,
"Verily I say unto thee,
'THAT THIS DAY, EVEN IN THIS NIGHT,
BEFORE THE COCK CROW TWICE,
THOU SHALT DENY ME THRICE.'
31. But he spake the more vehemently,
"If I should die with thee, I WILL NOT DENY THEE IN ANY WISE."
Likewise also said they all.

In rejecting his Words, which they ALL knew to be The Word of God, they were rejecting his ministry as Prophet, and accepting ALL of the consequences of that Decision.

MARK 14:50.

50. And they all forsook him, and fled.

Since they were taught to considered JESUS to be THE TRUTH, the Principle of this is that they would FLEE FROM THE TRUTH once ADVERSITY was considered to have come. THIS may be demonstrated to be the case.
JOHN therefore tries to MISLEAD US concerning The Centre of Will, trying to make us believe that we have to receive a SPECIAL SPIRIT to make it work. This opened the door for the denunciation of schools that do practice the cultivation of WILL, Oriental Martial Arts in particular, saying that they could not have �DANTIEN� (the Chinese name for that energy centre in acupuncture) ABILITIES unless they have received devilish augmentation and thus possession. [Dr. Rebecca Brown says this specifically in one of her [HE CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE, series] books, and she is considered to be an authority by MILLIONS of �Full Gospel� Christians. Thus removing one of the most important weapons for a spiritual warrior- the Art of Empty-hand combat.]

He furthermore claimed that the acquisition of The Holy Ghost- the Emissary of God-Class Life Force was dependent solely upon Jesus� �glorification.� Those who have studied Carlos Castaneda�s account of his Nagualistic experience can see that this would be impossible: The seven Spirits of God were available since the Dawn of Mankind, and only the ignorance and laziness of the average man prevented them from achieving that �anointing.�
So Christianity was delivered into a veritable morass of superstition and half-truth, from which it has only recently become possible to completely extricate it- because of the Nagualistic disclosures of L. Ron Hubbard and Carlos Castaneda, which show that spiritual restoration is linked to the twin disciplines of RECAPITULATION- the release of locked up spiritual energy by the systematic and progressive elimination of the SUBCONSCIOUS MIND, and (CONTROLLED ) DREAMING- which makes possible the COHERENCY OF CONSCIOUSNESS in different areas of Assemblage.

ISAIAH 44:8-22.

8. �Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time,
and have declared it?
ye are even my witnesses.
Is there a God beside me?
yea, there is no God;
I know not any.
9. �They that make a graven image are all of them vanity;
and their delectable things shall not profit;
and they are their own witnesses;
they see not, nor know;
that they may be ashamed.
10. �Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
11. �Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men:
let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear,
and they shall be ashamed together.
12. �The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers,
and worketh it with the strength of his arms:
yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth:
he drinketh no water, and is faint.
13. �The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line;
he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass,
and maketh it after the figure of a man,
according to the beauty of a man;
that it may remain in the house.
14. �He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak,
which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest:
he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.
15. �Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself;
yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread;
YEA, HE MAKETH A GOD, AND WORSHIPPETH IT;
HE MAKETH IT A GRAVEN IMAGE, AND FALLETH DOWN THERETO.
16. �He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh;
he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith,
�AHA, I AM WARM, I HAVE SEEN THE FIRE:�
17. And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image:
he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith,
�DELIVER ME; FOR THOU ART MY GOD.�
18. �They have not known nor understood:
for He hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see;
and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
19. �And none considereth in his heart, neither is there Knowledge nor Understanding to say,
�I HAVE BURNED PART OF IT IN THE FIRE;
YEA, ALSO I HAVE BAKED BREAD UPON THE COALS THEREOF;
I HAVE ROASTED FLESH, AND EATEN IT:
AND SHALL I MAKE THE RESIDUE THEREOF AN ABOMINATION?
SHALL I FALL DOWN TO THE STOCK OF A TREE?�
20. �He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside,
that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say,
�IS THERE NOT A LIE IN MY RIGHT HAND?�
21. �Remember these, O Jacob and Israel;
FOR THOU ART MY SERVANT:
I HAVE FORMED THEE; THOU ART MY SERVANT: O ISRAEL,
THOU SHALT NOT BE FORGOTTEN OF ME.
22. �I HAVE BLOTTED OUT, AS A THICK CLOUD,
THY TRANSGRESSIONS, AND, AS A CLOUD, THY SINS:
RETURN UNTO ME; FOR I HAVE REDEEMED THEE.�

If you want to know The Truth about IDOLATRY- or ANYTHING, for that matter- do you study with and consult the people who have DONE it, or to the people who boast of have NEVER done it all their lives?
Since Isaiah had NEVER done IDOLATRY in his LIFE- HE would tell us- how could he know that what he was being told about idolatry was true or not? The sole reason Israel continued to have Problems with IDOLATRY, as well as other sins, is that THEIR PROPHETS NEVER TOLD THEM THE TRUTH about it. Once The Truth concerning ANYTHING is Known, it ceases to be a Problem: it�s effective part is AS-Ised, and can have no effect that you don�t want it to.

IT IS A FACT that most idolaters must not know what they are DOING.
They merely go through the motions of a procedure they have learned and have never learned The Truth and have never *SEEN.*
The most pathetic idolatry in the World, by my reckoning is ISLAM. They perform a complicated ritual that have to incorporate ALL the first four levels of Reality and existence from BELIEFS, through THOUGHTS, WORDS and PHYSICAL ACTIONS.
They HAVE TO do this FIVE TIMES a DAY, SEVEN DAYS a WEEK.
These people have the perfect framework to achieve the last two levels, POSTULATES, and TOTAL UNDERSTANDING, but they INDULGE like Sons and Daughters of [*Bleep!*]es, and WASTE their energy- I say in HATRED of we �UNBELIEVER INFIDELS.�
this dwindles their energies down to NOTHING as THE FLYERS do lunch with their heads.
This is easily the most pathetic tragedy on Earth.

However, to a certain degree, ALL PEOPLE do the same- except Men of Knowledge- they would probably have DONE it before, but they undertook to become IMPECCABLE WARRIORS and rose ABOVE all those Human foolishnesses.

MATTHEW 7: 1-6.

"JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother,
'Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye;'
and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5. "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

It is almost funny to see how people so readily judge and condemn others for what they themselves have done or are even still doing. Isaiah, after having blasted IDOLATERS, them continues to embrace, but never master, the exact same principles HIMSELF.

THIS is the SELF-IMPORTANCE TRAP of CLARITY, the Second Enemy of a man of Knowledge: one can become obsessed with correcting one�s fellow men, while one has not so corrected oneself. Actually, it is regarded as a legitimate profession to do so.

The Four Enemies of a Man of Knowledge are FEAR, CLARITY, POWER, and OLD AGE.
Please see THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN for further reference.

If one continues to perform whatever actions one performs with the idol of one�s choice, and does not INDULGE, living IMPECCABLY, eventually, TOTAL UNDERSTANDING will result, as The World is *Overcome* and *Stopped.* The reason for this is that the facsimiles of that operation continue to accumulate until one fine day, the barriers between them collapse- The Flyer�s Mind Implant can no longer bear the strain, and caves in, poor thing- and a SUPER-FACSIMILE is formed, at the level of TOTAL UNDERSTANDING, if one has done one�s job right. This is the ULTIMATE KNOWLEDGE of a subject- the simultaneous acquisition of ALL OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD on that topic- most importantly, the DIVINE SPECIFICATIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS concerning THAT aspect of Truth.

DIANETICS AXIOMS (numbered).

L. Ron Hubbard

22. Theta and Thought are similar orders of static.
23. All Thought is concerned with motion.
26. Thought is accomplished by Theta Facsimiles of Physical Universe, entities or actions.
99. Theta Facsimiles can recombine into new symbols.
100. Language is the symbolization of effort.
101. Language depends for its force upon the force which accompanied its definition.
[Note: counter-effort, not language, is aberrative.]
121. Every thought has been preceded by physical action.
122. The mind does with thought as it has done with entities in the Physical Universe.
127. All perceptions reaching the organism's sense channels are recorded and stored by Theta Facsimile.
Definition: Perception is the process of recording data from the Physical Universe and storing it as a Theta Facsimile.
Definition: Recall is the process of regaining perceptions.

Bible religion was cunning based on the idolatry Principle s, but centred on an ABSTRACT IMAGE that was NEVER TO BE PHYSICALLY MANIFESTED. This was a genius masterstroke, comparable to tying a stick with a carrot on it on an ass� head, where he sees the carrot, and struggles to reach it, but can�t, because it moves forward as he does. A Goal that can never be attained by his own effort. Bible religion was set up that way, and has been continued that way in all its forms- Judaism, Christianity and Islam- even into these �enlightened times.�

-Olatunde Aroloye

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THE GREAT APOSTASY OF THE APOSTLES.

DEUTERONOMY 18: 17-19.

17. And the LORD said unto me,
"They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18. "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their Brethren, like unto thee,
and will put My Words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19. "And it shall come to pass,
that whosoever will not hearken unto My Words
which he shall speak in My Name,
I will require it of him."

ACTS 3:22-23.

22. For Moses truly said unto the fathers,
�A prophet shall the Lord your God
raise up unto you of your brethren,
like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things
whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23. �And it shall come to pass, that every soul,
which will not hear that prophet,
shall be destroyed from among the people.� �

JOHN 12: 42-50.

42. "Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him,
lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43. For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
44. Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46. I am come a Light into the World,
that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in Darkness.
47. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
for I came not to judge the World, but to save the World.
48. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath One that judgeth him:
the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in The Last Day.
49. For I have not spoken of myself;
but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say,
and what I should speak.
50. And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore,
even as the Father said unto me,
so I speak".

What is the best way to study The Bible?
The Evangelist, Oral Roberts once prayed to know how he might know Jesus, and was answered:

�READ MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, JOHN, and The BOOK of ACTS- THREE TIMES IN THIRTY DAYS!�
Kenneth Copeland said that HE DID IT ON HIS KNEES.
At the end of the thirty days, he testified that he knew Jesus, �Better than he knew any man on the face of the Earth!�

I have never spoken to any Christian about this and had them tell me that they did it.

Christianity is a gigantic HYPOCRISY in the which people PRETEND to �LOVE JESUS,� but they DON�T.
All the Christians I ever saw or heard of wanted to USE JESUS for their personal benefit, but care NOTHING for HIS W, and HIS Goals. So there is this gigantic �Emperor�s New Robes� situation, where everybody is trying to PRETEND that they PERCEIVE something- that THEY HAVE GOD- whereas they�ve got NOTHING. Or else are DEVIL-POSSESSED. EVERYBODY who entered into adolescence unwarned and untrained received an Implant from the Devils who run the Human race like a set of cattle pens. They steal 99% of a Human�s Life Force, leaving us a little remnant to live on. Not out of the good ness of their hearts, but because they CANNOT take ANY part of THAT until a situation arises wherein we are as careless and nonchalant about THAT as we are about the rest of the 99% of our Life Force we have stupidly allowed them to take away.

Spiritual Systems that force one to EXTEND AWARENESS into the areas of the Soul that are deenergized by this constant sapping of our energy are able to return a lot of Man�s lost capabilities. However, because they normally do not go anywhere near the spiritual depth necessary to PERCEIVE this particular Devil-species, and observe what it is they do to the Human race, they are unable to protect their adherents, and in a weak moment, when their guard is down, the devils come back and reclaim their �property,� such that a person can go from a genius warlock to a drooling idiot vegetable overnight! He will never know what hit him!

MATTHEW 12: 22-45.

22. Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed, and said,
"Is not this the son of David?"
24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said,
"This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."
25. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them,
"Every Kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his Kingdom stand?
27. And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30. "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I say unto you,
'All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.'
32. "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this World, neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34. "O Generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36. But I say unto you,
'That every idle word that men shall speak,
they shall give account thereof in The Day of Judgment.'
37. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
38. Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39. But he answered and said unto them,
"An evil and adulterous Generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the Prophet Jonas:
40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth.
41. "The men of Nineveh shall rise inJudgment with this Generation, and shall condemn It: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South shall rise up in the Judgment with this Generation, and shall condemn It: for she came from the uttermost parts of the Earth to hear the Wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
43. "WHEN THE UNCLEAN SPIRIT IS GONE OUT OF A MAN, HE WALKETH THROUGH DRY PLACES, SEEKING REST, AND FINDETH NONE.
44. THEN HE SAITH,
'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'
AND WHEN HE IS COME, HE FINDETH IT EMPTY, SWEPT, AND GARNISHED.
45. "THEN GOETH HE, AND TAKETH WITH HIMSELF SEVEN OTHER SPIRITS MORE WICKED THAN HIMSELF,
AND THEY ENTER IN AND DWELL THERE: AND THE LAST STATE OF THAT MAN IS WORSE THAN THE FIRST.
EVEN SO SHALL IT BE ALSO UNTO THIS WICKED GENERATION."

People who happen to know a few things from the mouths of Spirit Entities in general , The Dreaming Emissary in particular, whom Christians call �The Holy Ghost,� may become pompous in the extreme. To the extent where they see themselves as being better than the rest of their species put together, and may have even written off the rest of the Human race altogether, where the only company they recognize as being worthy of their company and attention are non-Human entities.
That the son of a carpenter�s wife thought that HE was the Avatar of God Almighty is NOTHING NEW.
Happens all the time!
What does NOT happen all the time, is that he had a TRUCKLOAD of POWER to back up his claim.
THAT does NOT often happen.
What NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE OR AFTER is that HE HANDED OVER THE COMPLETE TECHNOLOGY of HOW TO DO EVERYTHING HE EVER DID, and MORE.

This strongly suggests, but DOES NOT PROVE conclusively, that HE WAS WHO HE SAID HE WAS: The Born Avatar of God. The ONLY way to Know for sure is to ASSUME these Powers he taught us to have, use them to *SEE* beyond the MEST veil of reality THROUGH TIME and SPACE, and *see* for ourselves what REALLY HAPPENED.

An arrogant spiritual teacher may make a Name and a Living for himself teaching people PARTS of The Truth- but NOT the parts that teach the student NEVER TO REQUIRE A HUMAN TEACHER, EVER AGAIN.
This creates a school of SLAVES, who are DOOMED to follow the every WHIM of their master, believing him the SOLE SOURCE of spiritual provender. Since the publication of The Bible, anyone falling into such a trap has ONLY themselves to blame.

The secret weapon of the evil cultist is to NEVER WARN HIS STUDENTS that if they STOP DOING THE AWARENESS-STRETCHING EXERCISES, they will lose all their stored-up energy in a day, and wind up worse off than before they met their �teacher.� If they knew EXACTLY what was going on, they could figure out what to do. The various superstitions they may have been brainwashed with may not help. Once they have lost their energy, and the news has gotten back to the Cult HQ, the master will crow:
�SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DISOBEY ME?�
The pupils will cower in terror.

It is, of course, possible that the cult leader himself know NONE of the mechanisms involved in demolishing one of his former students. He may likely only know what his master taught HIM in his turn.

People wag their heads sagely, and say,
�Uh-huh. See what happens when you mess around with the Mind?�

These Devils, called Los Voladores, The Flyers, by the seers who first discovered them, make excellent bully-boys for those �cultists� aware of their existence, or at least what they do.

Jesus� Disciples surely knew what The Flyers were, and what The Flyers did.
Jesus trained them in the removal of people�s Implants- living control programmes.
No spirit is going to come and take up residence INSIDE you- unless he is completely tired of life, and is trying to commit suicide! But they can TRANSMIT parts of themselves and use them to tap our Life Force. If we allow them to TAKE OVER OUR MINDS, they WON�T REFUSE the Invite.

If a person allows his or her emotional feelings to fall beneath Overt Hostility, their actions are controlled by the contents of the subconscious mind. THIS is THEIR territory.
As much as is possible, one should maintain a cheerful, enthusiastic outlook towards life- even towards saddening things, because this is how these entities are defeated. As a person�s emotions become more and more negative, the awareness levels decrease accordingly.

`TONE LEVEL`	`AWARENESS` `UNITS`	`EMOTIONAL STATE`
`4.0`	`100`	`ENTHUSIASM`
`3.5`	`70`	`CHEERFULNESS`
`3.0`	`32`	`CONSERVATISM`
`2.5`	`22`	`BOREDOM`
`2.0`	`15`	`OVERT HOSTILITY`
`1.5`	`15`	`ANGER`
`1.1`	`10`	`COVERT HOSTILITY`
`0.5`	`6`	`GRIEF`
`0.1`	`3`	`APATHY`

The devils engineer Human Problems so that upon failing to solve these problems, they might feed upon our falling energy levels. These depicted are DEFAULT levels. The ACUTE levels, attained during an active Operation extend to Tone Level 40. [This Knowledge comes from L. Ron Hubbard�s Scientology evaluations.]

40. Serenity; 30. Postulates; 22.Games; 20.Action; 8.Exhilaration; 6.Aethestics; 4.Enthusiasm; 3.Conservatism; 2.Overt Hostility; 1.Fear; 0.Body Death.

The awareness of the mind can ascend or descend this scale depending on, NOT the situation it is confronting, but HOW IT HANDLES IT. Being shot through the head, or a vital organ, would depress most people down to DEATH. A few would not allow it to ruin their day. [The Power to Heal sure comes in handy!]

The average man only knows of awareness levels up to that of GAMES [22].
At this level, mind and MEST are in complete harmony.
The spiritual man, however, experiences higher levels than that, such that his Mind OVERTAKES the MEST Universe, and he experiences TIME SLOWING DOWN. In Christianity, or rather, Biblically- because many, if not most, Christians know NOTHING of this, their religion being nothing but a sick joke. this is called �OVERCOMING THE WORLD.� At 40th Level, TIME STOPS. That is the COMPLETE OVERCOMING of The World.
In Nagualism this is called �STOPPING THE WORLD.�
When Time Restarts, ONLY what the one who *STOPPED* it ALLOWS to Operate CAN Operate in THEIR Perceptible Universe. If this is done enough in enough areas, there will be NOTHING �natural� about this person.
ONE HUNDRED KEY LINES OF TRUTH exist in the Human Universe, and the Man of God must have STOPPED TIME on ALL of them in, in order to be the complete Master of himself in THIS Universe.

Now imagine the mindset of persons who do not want you to know that you have this option?

>>I realized that Jesus' Disciples did NOT teach HIS Teachings, but INVENTED some of their own, and tried to cover up the REAL Gospel.<<

>>>You "realized"??? Or just decided that was what you wanted to believe?<<<

ARE YOU A PERSON CAPABLE OF RECOGNIZING TRUTH WHEN YOU SEE IT, OR JUST ONE OF THOSE BRIBED TO COVER IT UP?

HERE IS THE PROBLEM: you present your facts, but there are people to whom THE TRUTH AND THE FACTS DON�T MATTER. They will IGNORE THE EVIDENCE, and instead confront something else.
The challenge above author to whom I am replying COULD NOT CONFRONT what I have said about The Apostles.
The Apostles are considered GODS in The Roman Catholic Church: you are expected to PRAY TO THEM.
THEREFORE one would expect �Saint Worshippers� to be VERY UPSET INDEED, were someone to point out that their ir �gods� all have feet of DNA. They would not be expected to CONFRONT THE TRUTH, so instead, they would attack MY SANITY, saying that : I �must be delusional,� to say that Jesus� Disciples DID NOT PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS.

It would be VERY SIMPLE, would it not, to SHOW WHERE WHAT I HAVE SAID IS UNTRUE.
I have said that Jesus� Disciples DID NOT TEACH HIS TEACHINGS, BUT INVENTED SOME OF THEIR OWN, which they used to REPLACE JESUS� REAL TEACHINGS.
All the serious critic should have to do, is to display JESUS� TEACHINGS, and then GIVE EXAMPLES of WHERE his Disciples OBEYED THEM or TAUGHT THEM�.

MATTHEW 7: 1-6.

"JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.
2. "FOR WITH WHAT JUDGMENT YE JUDGE,
YE SHALL BE JUDGED:
AND WITH WHAT MEASURE YE METE,
IT SHALL BE MEASURED TO YOU AGAIN.
3. "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother,
'Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; '
and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5. "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

If indeed the Apostles misled The Church- which is not being taught in any Church I ever heard of- then my teaching has the potential to correct the Error affecting two thousand million Christians at this time, making access to God The Father a REALITY again. IF THEY HAD ACCESS, GOD WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM WHAT WAS UP.

JOHN 6:43-45.

43. Jesus therefore answered and said unto them,
�Murmur not among yourselves.
44. �No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up at the Last Day.
45. �It is written in The Prophets,
�And they shall be all taught of God.�
EVERY MAN THEREFORE THAT HATH HEARD,
AND HATH LEARNED OF THE FATHER,
COMETH UNTO ME.�

HERE is the PAYOFF for RIGHTEOUS BEHAVIOR while growing up.
When people just want to be �just like other sinners,� THAT wish is ALWAYS granted.
When you CANNOT RESIST the PEER PRESSURE to commit SIN, you have NO CHARACTER.
When your age mates told you that you were not a man unless you joined them to go and beat up on someone who never harmed you nor anyone, that you were NOT a person, unless you committed fornication in �Lover�s Lane,� and thanked God for granting you fertility by committing murder- that is abortion, to escape the responsibility, didst thou consent or no?

EXODUS 23:1-2.

THOU shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the Wicked
to be an unrighteous witness.
2. Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do Evil;
neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:

THESE are just a few COMMON EXAMPLES of sin whereby people will THROW THEIR SOULS AWAY.
When ministries like mine bear witness to The Truth, THOSE WHO HAVE DONE THESE HEINOUS THINGS cannot bear Witness along with us. Their SOULS are NO LONGER their own!

JESUS' TEACHING		APOSTOLIC TEACHING
1. Concern with future.	Matt. 6:34.	1. Asked to know whether Jesus would restore Kingdom to Israel.	Acts 1:6
2. Never tell anyone that HE is the Christ.	Matt. 16:20.	2. Proclaimed boldly in public, that Jesus was the Christ.	Acts 2:36.
3. Teach his exact Gospel Doctrine.	Matt. 5:19;7:21-27; 24:14,35.	3. Apostles invented their own teaching and substituted for the Gospel.	(See other citations.)
4. Licensed Covetousness.	Mark 7:20-23.	4. Created Biblical Basic of Communism.	Acts 2:44
5. Depend on God for needs of life.	Matt. 6:25-31.	5. Created First Christian Pyramid scheme.	Acts 2:44-45.
6. Signs and Wonders do not prove Divine Approval.	Matt. 7:21-23; 24:24.	6. Signs and Wonders used to deceive concerning Gospel.	Acts 2:43.
7. Woe unto you when all speak well of you.	Luke 6:26; John 15:18-26.	7. Curried favour with unbelievers.	Acts 2:47.
8. YOUR Faith works miracles.	Mark 11:23.	8. Denial of the possession of Personal Power and Holiness.	Acts 3:12.
9. His Words are essential to Salvation.	John 12:42-50.	9. Jesus� Disciples hypocritically affirmed the Prophecy, but withheld those Words.	Acts 3:20-23; Matt. 23:13.
10. Leave places where the preaching is not accepted.	Matt. 10:16-23.	10. Stayed in and kept the Church in places they were not wanted.	Acts 4:34-35.
11. Give alms anonymously.	Matt. 6:1-4.	11. Withheld this essential secret of success.	Matt. 4:34-35.
12. Sell your goods and give to the Poor.	Luke 12:33.	12. Withheld this important secret of success. Taught to give to Church.	Acts 4:34-35.
13. Give feasts to the poor and handicapped who cannot repay you.	Luke 12:14-14.	13. Taught to feed friends in the commune, not outsiders.	Acts 4:34-35.
14. Privately Counsel any Brethren felt to be in error, BEFORE going public.	Matt. 18:15; 5:23-24.	14. Accused Brethren publicly accused and denounced without private counselling.	Acts 5:5:3
15. Forgive even those in complete hatred and hostility.	Matt. 18:35; Mark 11:25,26.	15. Two allegedly erring Brethren treated mercilessly.	Acts 5:3,9.
16. Testimony of two witnesses establishes Truth.	Matt. 18:16.	16. Testimony of two witnesses is rejected without proof.	Acts 5:9.
17. Be harmless.	Matt. 10:16.	17. Secretly dispose of sinners like garbage.	Acts 5:10.
18. Do unto others as you would others do unto you.	Matt. 7:12.	18. Treated two donors accused of sinning as no one would wish upon themselves to be treated, and without respect, or benefit of doubt.	Acts 5:3-4,9.
19. Love even your enemies.	Matt. 5:43-48.	19. Reverted to hypocritical �Love neighbours, but hate enemies� doctrine.	Acts 5:1-10.
20. Let people see your good works and glorify God.	Matt. 5:16; John 15:11.	20. Created great fear.	Acts 5:5,11.
21. Anyone who donates anything is eligible for reward.	Mark 10:40-41.	21. Defrauded donors of their Rightful reward: THE TRUTH, and LIFE.	Acts 5:3,9-10.
22. Lack of Negative opposition is to be esteemed Positive support.	Matt. 10:30; Mark 10:40.	22. The positive contribution of Ananias & Sapphira is ignored.	Acts 5:1-10.
23. Junior Believers must not be obstructed.	Matt. 18:6.	23. Two Junior Believers allegedly made a mistake, and were halted in Christianity.	Acts 5:1-10.
24. The value of Believers to GOD is not to be underestimated.	Matt. 18:10-14.	24. Two Believers treated as expendable and disposable garbage.	Acts 5:10.
25. The Servant is not above his Lord.	Luke 6:40; John 14:12;15:20.	25. The mandate of Jesus is clearly exceeded.	Acts 5:1-10.
26. Never judge judgments that apply to you yourself.	Matt. 7:1-5; 26:31-35; Luke 19:22.	26. Ananias & Sapphira condemned for what Jesus� Disciples did worse.	Acts 5:3,9; Matt. 26:35..
27. PRAY FOR them who have done you wrong.	Matt. 5:44.	27. No teaching of Prayer for, or blessing of, enemies is in evidence, rather the opposite.	Acts 5:3-4,9.
28. Do GOOD to them that hate you.	Matt. 5:44.	28. Ultimate EVIL is done to Ananias & Sapphira.	Acts 5:10.
29. In times of stress, The Spirit of God will speak The Word of God through you.	Matt. 10:19-20,27; John 3:34;12:42-50.	29. NOT ONE SCRIPTURE is cited in the pronouncement of the Termination of two lives.	Acts 5:1-10.
30. Correct your own major faults before you try to correct the minor faults of Brethren.	Matt. 7:1-5.	30. Jesus� Disciples never improved their basic nature..	Acts 5:10; Matt. 7:12-20.

>>I find it unlikely that the disciples of Jesus would have not recanted under persecution if they had concocted their story. Paul
would have had no reason to convert to Christianity if he didn't believe there was something real about it. After he had supervised
the killing of many Christians, he was not easity accepted by other Christians.<<

Your mind is WAY behind REALITY in this matter!
You have swallowed (as we all did at first) THE COVER STORY, and never penetrated the layers of DECEPTION that were cast to COVER UP THE TRUTH about WHAT REALLY HAPPENED, and what Jesus REALLY died for, WHAT his Coming was FOR and MEANS to us.

Jesus� Disciples were NEVER PERSECUTED FOR THE GOSPEL OF JESUS.
That is what this entire message is about.
They were persecuted for THEIR OWN FALSE DOCTRINE which they concocted to SABOTAGE Jesus� MASTER PLAN to save the World.

Their MOTIVE was that THEY DIDN�T WANT ANYONE to be SUPERIOR to THEM in The Kingdom of Heaven.

LUKE 22:24-30.

24. And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
25. And he said unto them,
�The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them;
and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26. �But ye shall not be so:
but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger;
and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
27. �For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat,
or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat?
but I am among you as he that serveth.
28. �Ye are they which have continued with me in my Temptations.
29. �And I appoint unto you a Kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30. �That ye may eat and drink at my Table in my Kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the Twelve Tribes of Israel.�

It was of supreme importance to the egos of the Disciples that THEY be the ones calling the shots in the Kingdom of Heaven, with no one else for them to answer to.
When Jesus implied that they were greater than he was, and furthermore went to the extent of bowing down before them to wash their feet, their SELF-IMPORTANCE, of course, went BALLISTIC.
They ASSUMED that THEY were now GREATER THAN THE SON OF GOD: that ALL THAT HE HAD DONE had been to ADVANCE THEM.

JOHN 13:1.

NOW before the feast of the Passover,
when Jesus knew that his hour was come
that he should depart out of this World unto the Father,
HAVING LOVED HIS OWN WHICH WERE IN THE WORLD,
HE LOVED THEM UNTO THE END.

When Jesus told them that LITTLE CHILDREN were GREATEST in The Kingdom of Heaven- which is because they have Multi-Universal Awareness, and largely intact energy content- THEIR IMMEDIATE REACTION WAS THAT OF JEALOUS RAGE: they obstructed those who brought Little Children to Jesus to be blessed.

MARK 10: 13-16.

13. And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them:
AND HIS DISCIPLES REBUKED THOSE THAT BROUGHT THEM.
14. But when Jesus saw it, HE WAS MUCH DISPLEASED, and said unto them,
"Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the Kingdom of God.
15. "Verily I say unto you,
'Whosoever shall not receive The Kingdom of God as a little child,
he shall not enter therein.' "
16. And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.

TRADITIONAL CHRISTIANITY simply IGNORES these CLEAR INDICATION of the TRUE CHARACTER of Jesus� Disciples. If people knew the truth about THEM, too many of them would in turn seek out The Truth about JESUS, which would subsequently be found, and Christians would realize that they DIDN�T NEED �APOSTLES,� �PASTORS,� �TEACHERS,� or any such thing, and those Denominations would become redundant and desolate. So their bent is towards keeping everyone confused and in ignorance so that they never discover The Truth.
Making people believe in �The Apostles� fits that Goal efficiently.
The basis of the acceptance of The Apostles is that NO ONE ELSE knew Jesus� Gospel.
Everyone who had heard it had pretty much agreed that it was just �a load of crazy-talk,� anyway...

JOHN 6:59-66.

59. These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said,
�This is an hard saying; who can hear it?�
61. When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them,
�Doth this offend you?
62. �What and if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend up where he was before?
63. �It is the spirit that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing:
the Words that I speak unto you,
they are spirit, and they are life.
64. �But there are some of you that believe not.�
For Jesus knew From The Beginning who they were that believed not,
and who should betray him.
65. And he said,
�Therefore said I unto you,
�That no man can come unto me,
except it were given unto him of my Father.� �
66. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

To believe in The Apostles is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE to a number of KEY TRUTHS.
having put the cart before the horse in ASSUMING that Jesus� Disciples are the MODEL for the Follower of Jesus, whenever any perception of the MISLEADING nature of their doctrine arises, THAT THOUGHT IS REJECTED. Thus the Great Secret of the TRUE BETRAYAL of Jesus is kept.

Paul did not join Christianity to support it, but to destroy it from within.
His technique was VERY SIMPLE.

PROVERBS 28: 24-28.

24. He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him;
25. When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart.
26. Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole Congregation.
27. Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.
28. A LYING TONGUE HATETH THOSE THAT ARE AFFLICTED BY IT; AND A FLATTERING MOUTH WORKETH RUIN.

After nineteen centuries someone has come forward to EXPOSE THE TRUTH about Paul, and how he deceived the World. He embarked on a SUICIDE MISSION to Rome, to teach the Roman emperors how it was to their benefit to persecute and execute Christians. This was contrary to Jesus� Teaching that pearls should not be cast before swine, lest the destruction of the Believer result from what use they put the Words to. This is what Paul wanted, wasn�t it?

Jesus taught that he would ONLY manifest to them that loved him, but Paul taught that though he did not love Jesus at the time (nor at any time afterward) JESUS MANIFESTED HIMSELF TO HIM- because he had KILLED TOO MANY CHRISTIANS for him to continue to TOLERATE.
THIS IS WHY the jaded Roman emperors, thirsting for a Divine touch of Reality, outdid one another in creating cruel bloodbaths of Christians, IN THE HOPE THAT, AS PROMISED, GOD WOULD MANIFEST HIMSELF TO THEM TO MAKE THEM STOP.
This is why Felix shouted at Paul that HE MUST BE MAD: either way, this was the LAST INFORMATION anyone who CARED about Christianity and Christians would want to reach the ear of a CAESAR!

Thus Paul fulfilled the engrams of SAMSON, who �slew more enemies at his death than he did in his lifetime.� To the mentally sick Jews, that is a �Winning Valence.�

>>I see no point in your story about the man buried in the foundation of the mansion. Jesus is not still buried. Judas is still dead.<<

The most beautiful building in all the World has been considered to be the Taj Mahal.
Did that perception and opinion change for you, when you discovered what it is for?
I am sure that more people think that the Taj Mahal is the most beautiful building in the World than know what it is for!

MATTHEW 23: 27-28.

27. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
FOR YE ARE LIKE UNTO WHITED SEPULCHRES,
WHICH INDEED APPEAR BEAUTIFUL OUTWARD,
BUT ARE WITHIN FULL OF DEAD MEN'S BONES, AND OF ALL UNCLEANNESS.
28. "Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men,
but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.�

There are those who would say that adding a MURDER to the construction of a building- such as the English reputedly used to do, building a bridge, kill a boy by sealing him into the foundations- means NOTHING. They would continue to use that building as if it were any other building! There are those who would take blood-money, or money used to hire a whore, as if it were any other currency. There would be those who would see a woman as being beautiful and desirable, no matter how many men she has had sex with, and no matter how many foetuses she has aborted. They do not understand the importance of not being connected with the sin of murder in particular, and other capital sins in general.

NUMBERS 35:33-34.

33. So ye shall not pollute the Land wherein ye are:
FOR BLOOD IT DEFILETH THE LAND:
and the Land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein,
but by the blood of him that shed it.
34. �DEFILE NOT THEREFORE THE LAND WHICH YE SHALL INHABIT,
wherein I dwell: for I the LORD dwell among the Children of Israel.�

�Defilement� means, the loss of Life-sustaining Power.�
Bible Religion in all its forms is intertwined with Murder.
The Purpose of Religion should be to prolong life- not shorten it.

People should understand that the religions and scriptures were made by people WHO WERE ONLY MEN.
they were as susceptible to being deceived by their own prejudices and weaknesses as anyone else.
Therefore instead of blindly following what some leader said, or allegedly said, ONE MUST *SEE* for oneself,

what is REALLY happening in REALITY, and what is NOT. Knowing that men are apt to DECEIVE US to their own advantages, or that of whatever sick little agenda they follow.

-Olatunde Aroloye

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Date: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:59 pm
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THE GREAT APOSTASY OF THE APOSTLES.

DEUTERONOMY 18: 17-19.

ACTS 3:22-23.

JOHN 12: 42-50.

What is the best way to study The Bible?
The Evangelist, Oral Roberts once prayed to know how he might know Jesus, and was answered:

I have never spoken to any Christian about this and had them tell me that they did it.

MATTHEW 12: 22-45.

It is, of course, possible that the cult leader himself know NONE of the mechanisms involved in demolishing one of his former students. He may likely only know what his master taught HIM in his turn.

People wag their heads sagely, and say,
�Uh-huh. See what happens when you mess around with the Mind?�

These Devils, called Los Voladores, The Flyers, by the seers who first discovered them, make excellent bully-boys for those �cultists� aware of their existence, or at least what they do.

`TONE LEVEL`	`AWARENESS` `UNITS`	`EMOTIONAL STATE`
`4.0`	`100`	`ENTHUSIASM`
`3.5`	`70`	`CHEERFULNESS`
`3.0`	`32`	`CONSERVATISM`
`2.5`	`22`	`BOREDOM`
`2.0`	`15`	`OVERT HOSTILITY`
`1.5`	`15`	`ANGER`
`1.1`	`10`	`COVERT HOSTILITY`
`0.5`	`6`	`GRIEF`
`0.1`	`3`	`APATHY`

40. Serenity; 30. Postulates; 22.Games; 20.Action; 8.Exhilaration; 6.Aethestics; 4.Enthusiasm; 3.Conservatism; 2.Overt Hostility; 1.Fear; 0.Body Death.

Now imagine the mindset of persons who do not want you to know that you have this option?

>>I realized that Jesus' Disciples did NOT teach HIS Teachings, but INVENTED some of their own, and tried to cover up the REAL Gospel.<<

>>>You "realized"??? Or just decided that was what you wanted to believe?<<<

ARE YOU A PERSON CAPABLE OF RECOGNIZING TRUTH WHEN YOU SEE IT, OR JUST ONE OF THOSE BRIBED TO COVER IT UP?

MATTHEW 7: 1-6.

JOHN 6:43-45.

EXODUS 23:1-2.

JESUS' TEACHING		APOSTOLIC TEACHING
1. Concern with future.	Matt. 6:34.	1. Asked to know whether Jesus would restore Kingdom to Israel.	Acts 1:6
2. Never tell anyone that HE is the Christ.	Matt. 16:20.	2. Proclaimed boldly in public, that Jesus was the Christ.	Acts 2:36.
3. Teach his exact Gospel Doctrine.	Matt. 5:19;7:21-27; 24:14,35.	3. Apostles invented their own teaching and substituted for the Gospel.	(See other citations.)
4. Licensed Covetousness.	Mark 7:20-23.	4. Created Biblical Basic of Communism.	Acts 2:44
5. Depend on God for needs of life.	Matt. 6:25-31.	5. Created First Christian Pyramid scheme.	Acts 2:44-45.
6. Signs and Wonders do not prove Divine Approval.	Matt. 7:21-23; 24:24.	6. Signs and Wonders used to deceive concerning Gospel.	Acts 2:43.
7. Woe unto you when all speak well of you.	Luke 6:26; John 15:18-26.	7. Curried favour with unbelievers.	Acts 2:47.
8. YOUR Faith works miracles.	Mark 11:23.	8. Denial of the possession of Personal Power and Holiness.	Acts 3:12.
9. His Words are essential to Salvation.	John 12:42-50.	9. Jesus� Disciples hypocritically affirmed the Prophecy, but withheld those Words.	Acts 3:20-23; Matt. 23:13.
10. Leave places where the preaching is not accepted.	Matt. 10:16-23.	10. Stayed in and kept the Church in places they were not wanted.	Acts 4:34-35.
11. Give alms anonymously.	Matt. 6:1-4.	11. Withheld this essential secret of success.	Matt. 4:34-35.
12. Sell your goods and give to the Poor.	Luke 12:33.	12. Withheld this important secret of success. Taught to give to Church.	Acts 4:34-35.
13. Give feasts to the poor and handicapped who cannot repay you.	Luke 12:14-14.	13. Taught to feed friends in the commune, not outsiders.	Acts 4:34-35.
14. Privately Counsel any Brethren felt to be in error, BEFORE going public.	Matt. 18:15; 5:23-24.	14. Accused Brethren publicly accused and denounced without private counselling.	Acts 5:5:3
15. Forgive even those in complete hatred and hostility.	Matt. 18:35; Mark 11:25,26.	15. Two allegedly erring Brethren treated mercilessly.	Acts 5:3,9.
16. Testimony of two witnesses establishes Truth.	Matt. 18:16.	16. Testimony of two witnesses is rejected without proof.	Acts 5:9.
17. Be harmless.	Matt. 10:16.	17. Secretly dispose of sinners like garbage.	Acts 5:10.
18. Do unto others as you would others do unto you.	Matt. 7:12.	18. Treated two donors accused of sinning as no one would wish upon themselves to be treated, and without respect, or benefit of doubt.	Acts 5:3-4,9.
19. Love even your enemies.	Matt. 5:43-48.	19. Reverted to hypocritical �Love neighbours, but hate enemies� doctrine.	Acts 5:1-10.
20. Let people see your good works and glorify God.	Matt. 5:16; John 15:11.	20. Created great fear.	Acts 5:5,11.
21. Anyone who donates anything is eligible for reward.	Mark 10:40-41.	21. Defrauded donors of their Rightful reward: THE TRUTH, and LIFE.	Acts 5:3,9-10.
22. Lack of Negative opposition is to be esteemed Positive support.	Matt. 10:30; Mark 10:40.	22. The positive contribution of Ananias & Sapphira is ignored.	Acts 5:1-10.
23. Junior Believers must not be obstructed.	Matt. 18:6.	23. Two Junior Believers allegedly made a mistake, and were halted in Christianity.	Acts 5:1-10.
24. The value of Believers to GOD is not to be underestimated.	Matt. 18:10-14.	24. Two Believers treated as expendable and disposable garbage.	Acts 5:10.
25. The Servant is not above his Lord.	Luke 6:40; John 14:12;15:20.	25. The mandate of Jesus is clearly exceeded.	Acts 5:1-10.
26. Never judge judgments that apply to you yourself.	Matt. 7:1-5; 26:31-35; Luke 19:22.	26. Ananias & Sapphira condemned for what Jesus� Disciples did worse.	Acts 5:3,9; Matt. 26:35..
27. PRAY FOR them who have done you wrong.	Matt. 5:44.	27. No teaching of Prayer for, or blessing of, enemies is in evidence, rather the opposite.	Acts 5:3-4,9.
28. Do GOOD to them that hate you.	Matt. 5:44.	28. Ultimate EVIL is done to Ananias & Sapphira.	Acts 5:10.
29. In times of stress, The Spirit of God will speak The Word of God through you.	Matt. 10:19-20,27; John 3:34;12:42-50.	29. NOT ONE SCRIPTURE is cited in the pronouncement of the Termination of two lives.	Acts 5:1-10.
30. Correct your own major faults before you try to correct the minor faults of Brethren.	Matt. 7:1-5.	30. Jesus� Disciples never improved their basic nature..	Acts 5:10; Matt. 7:12-20.

Their MOTIVE was that THEY DIDN�T WANT ANYONE to be SUPERIOR to THEM in The Kingdom of Heaven.

LUKE 22:24-30.

JOHN 13:1.

MARK 10: 13-16.

JOHN 6:59-66.

Paul did not join Christianity to support it, but to destroy it from within.
His technique was VERY SIMPLE.

PROVERBS 28: 24-28.

Thus Paul fulfilled the engrams of SAMSON, who �slew more enemies at his death than he did in his lifetime.� To the mentally sick Jews, that is a �Winning Valence.�

>>I see no point in your story about the man buried in the foundation of the mansion. Jesus is not still buried. Judas is still dead.<<

MATTHEW 23: 27-28.

NUMBERS 35:33-34.

�Defilement� means, the loss of Life-sustaining Power.�
Bible Religion in all its forms is intertwined with Murder.
The Purpose of Religion should be to prolong life- not shorten it.

what is REALLY happening in REALITY, and what is NOT. Knowing that men are apt to DECEIVE US to their own advantages, or that of whatever sick little agenda they follow.

-Olatunde Aroloye

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#507 From: Olatunde Aroloye <olatundearoloye@...>
Date: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:56 pm
Subject: TOMBOY'S DINAH. olatundearoloye
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TOMBOY'S DINAH.

There's a woman
On the outside
Looking inside
Does she see me?

No she does not
Really see me
Cause she sees
Her own reflection

GENESIS 34:1-34.

AND Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land.
2. And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.
3. And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.
4. And Shechem spake unto his father Hamor, saying, Get me this damsel to wife.
5. And Jacob heard that he had defiled Dinah his daughter: now his sons were with his cattle in the field: and Jacob held his peace until they were come.
6. And Hamor the father of Shechem went out unto Jacob to commune with him.
7. And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard it: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter: which thing ought not to be done.

8. And Hamor communed with them, saying, The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter: I pray you give her him to wife.

9. And make ye marriages with us, and give your daughters unto us, and take our daughters unto you.
10. And ye shall dwell with us: and the land shall be before you; dwell and trade ye therein, and get you possessions therein.
11. And Shechem said unto her father and unto her brethren,
�Let me find grace in your eyes, and what ye shall say unto me I will give.
12. �Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me: but give me the damsel to wife.
13. And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and Hamor his father deceitfully, and said, �Because he had defiled Dinah their sister:�

14. And they said unto them,
�We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us:

15. �But in this will we consent unto you: If ye will be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised;

16. �Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and we will become one people.

17. �But if ye will not hearken unto us, to be circumcised; then will we take our daughter, and we will be gone.�

18. And their words pleased Hamor, and Shechem Hamor's son.

19. And the young man deferred not to do the thing, because he had delight in Jacob's daughter: and he was more honourable than all the house of his father.

20. And Hamor and Shechem his son came unto the gate of their city, and communed with the men of their city, saying,

21. �These men are peaceable with us; therefore let them dwell in the land, and trade therein; for the land, behold, it is large enough for them; let us take their daughters to us for wives, and let us give them our daughters.

22. �Only herein will the men consent unto us for to dwell with us, to be one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they are circumcised.

23. �Shall not their cattle and their substance and every beast of theirs� be ours�? only let us consent unto them, and they will dwell with us.�

24. And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.

25. And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.
26. And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went out.

27. The sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and spoiled the city, because they had defiled their sister.
28. They took their sheep, and their oxen, and their asses, and that which was in the city, and that which was in the field,

29. And all their wealth, and all their little ones, and their wives took they captive, and spoiled even all that was in the house.

30. And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi,
�Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites:
and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.�

31. And they said,
�Should he deal with our sister as with an harlot?�

The spiritual Laws regarding the treatment of *Women* are often applicable to Spirit-entity-handling Protocols such that there would be Inorganic Beings who are driven by the same forces that drove Jacob�s sons.
We also still have such psychos with us on this planet today. Self-styled �Men of God,� who believe that it is a Blasphemy and sacrilege for Other Humans than themselves, or even including themselves to interact with The Spirit of God, to the extent of being willing to KILL anyone who attempts such a liaison, or shows evidence of having it. Failing which, they will seek to mess up the lives of those who have or seek such Knowledge and Experience, and even think themselves being �merciful,� by �not going all the way,� and killing one outright.

There would be a Doctrine of �Fair Game� involved, whereby, since what one has done in �illegally� �mating� with their �sacred Spirit� is �so BAD� they are obliged and permitted to use any means necessary to take one down. This would include playing on the ignorance of the Warrior, and using it against him.

Besides Humans, there can also be, and are, Inorganic Beings who engage in such �Missions of Personal Vengeance.� If the reader does not believe that, the reader must not have studied much Church History.
as soon as one has a LITTLE Power, there comes out of the spiritual woodwork, all manner of� CHARACTERS who want to sell you all manner of deals. Some of them may just want to sell YOU- or BUY you.
The great heroes of the Christian Reformations were generally all very good mummy�s Little Boys, who would NEVER stick their nose into ANY spiritual book that wasn�t THE BIBLE, and so were READILY SUSCEPTIBLE to ANY spirit that didn�t out and say, �I am the Devil, and I�ve come to deceive you and lead you and all your flock into Hell!� The Disciple of Hate, John gave a means of discerning spirits that is completely worthless:

1^st JOHN 3:24-4:6.

24. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him.
And hereby we know that he abideth in us,
�By the Spirit which he hath given us.�
BELOVED, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the World.
2. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
�Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:�
3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is NOT of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the World.
4. Ye are of God, Little Children, and have overcome them:
because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the World.
5. They are of the World: therefore speak they of the World, and the World heareth them.
6. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us;
he that is not of God heareth not us.
Hereby know we the spirit of Truth, and the spirit of Error.

In Pentecostal �Full Gospel� circles, THEY BELIEVE that if a spirit says �Jesus Christ is come in the flesh,� IT MUST SURELY BE OF GOD. If it DOESN�T say that, IT IS NOT OF GOD. This is RUBBISH, and NO TEST!
Why can�t Satan or any devils say a little phrase like that?

1st Corinthians 12:3

3. Wherefore I give you to understand,

�THAT NO MAN SPEAKING BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD
CALLETH JESUS ACCURSED:� and that
�NO MAN CAN SAY THAT JESUS IS THE LORD,
BUT BY THE HOLY GHOST.�

The PURPOSE of �The Apostles� was to DESTROY CHRISTIANITY.
Jesus� Disciples did so because they saw that Jesus� Prophecy that �Many that are the first shall be last, and the last first,� was going to be fulfilled. They were surely especially scared out of their wits when Peter went to preach to some Gentiles, who were believed to be so far down the Evolutionary Ladder, that some questioned that it was even POSSIBLE for them to be Saved. Peter had hardly told them anything when they entered into SECOND ATTENTION, immediately, and began to �Boil-Off,� �Speaking in Tongues� and �Prophesying.�
It took Jesus� disciples THREE AND A HALF YEARS to achieve THAT!
It was subsequently decided to even further tighten the spiritual security of the Early Church: the Jewish Believers were prevailed upon to WITHHOLD The Law of Moses. The reason given being that this would make the Covenant go back to Israel faster. The Jews agreed to do what they all well knew was selling out the Gentile Believers, the ironic thing being that THEY never suspected that Jesus� Disciples were doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING TO THEM, that they had just agreed to treacherously do to the Gentile Believers, namely, WITHHOLD THE WORD OF GOD. It may come as a great shock to NON-CHRISTIANS to know that THE EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAD NEVER HEARD JESUS� TEACHINGS, until Peter and Paul were dead- after 60 AD.

The fraudulence of The BORN AGAIN Experience is based on the following Principles:

DIANETICS AXIOMS (numbered).

26. Thought is accomplished by Theta Facsimiles of Physical Universe, entities or actions.
99. Theta Facsimiles can recombine into new symbols.
100. Language is the symbolization of effort.
101. Language depends for its force upon the force which accompanied its definition.
[Note: counter-effort, not language, is aberrative.]
118. An organism cannot become aberrated unless
it has agreed upon that aberration,
has been in communication with a source of aberration,
and has had affinity for the aberrator.
119. AGREEMENT WITH ANY SOURCE, CONTRA- OR PRO-SURVIVAL,
POSTULATES A NEW REALITY FOR THE ORGANISM.
121. Every thought has been preceded by physical action.
122. The mind does with thought as it has done with entities in the Physical Universe.
127. All perceptions reaching the organism's sense channels are recorded and stored by Theta Facsimile.
Definition: Perception is the process of recording data from the Physical Universe and storing it as a Theta Facsimile.
Definition: Recall is the process of regaining perceptions.
139. Aberrated behavior consists of destructive effort toward pro-survival data or entities on any dynamic,
or effort toward the survival of contra-survival data or entitles for any dynamic.

Theta: Life "force," Life "energy," spirit, Truth, Understanding.
Theta Facsimile: pictures created by the mind, made of life "energy."

Dianetics Axiom 119 explains why it is that people who change their spiritual attitudes may claim to have been renewed, and declare that they feel that they have entered into a NEW WORLD. In Christianity this is EXAGGERATED to say that one has now become the host of God Himself, Jesus Himself and The Holy Ghost Himself. There IS such an experience, but it is not so easily come by as Pentecostals generally think.

JOHN 14: 21-26.

21. "He that hath my Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot,
"Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the World?"
23. Jesus answered and said unto him,
"If a man love me, he will keep my Words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:
and the Word which ye hear is not mine,
but the Father's which sent me.
25. "These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26. "But the Comforter, (Which is) The Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in my Name,
He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.�

I am SURE that there must be Christian Churches which believe in the above verses of Scripture, BUT I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THEM. Therefore I AM THE GREATEST Messenger of the TRUE GOSPEL, because I am NOT functional ILLITERATE like MOST of the 2 THOUSAND MILLION Christians Worldwide!
If I DENY any Teaching of Jesus, I will tell you that I deny it, and if you ask nicely, I might even explain why in as much detail as you need to know.
ALL OTHER CHRISTIANS I KNOW flatly DENY Jesus� Teachings, THEN DECLARE, EVEN BOLD-FACED, that THEY believe THE WHOLE BIBLE and THE ENTIRE GOSPEL! Which is IMPOSSIBLE, because NO ONE can believe TWO CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS at the SAME time!

THREE of Jesus� Teachings CANNOT BE TRUE.

1. The Greatest Commandment of The Law of Moses.
2. Jesus� Mission on Earth.
3. The Greatest Love of all.

I wrote this message up in my website:

http://www.geocities.com/objectivechristianity/perceive3lies.html

Some people have written me to say they agree with SOME of the things I said.
Others said I am a HERETIC.

Now! Paul COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE SAVED, his massive YARN was a LIE.
Either he made it all up, or else he was deluded and insane, as a mass-murderer of people he KNEW WERE INNOCENT would have to be.

http://www.geocities.com/objectivechristianity/paulsins.html

ANY CHRISTIAN WHO SAYS that JESUS APPEARED TO Paul has DENIED JOHN 14:21, where Jesus said that he would manifest TO THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.

Those who believe that JESUS comes to dwell in people who JUST NOW SAID THE SINNER�S PRAYER exaggerate, and those who claim that you can have The Holy Ghost, but still not LOVE Jesus, HAVE DENIED John 14:15-17, 23-26.

EITHER THE CHRISTIAN BELIEVES THESE THINGS, or else he does NOT!
Now WHICH is it?

Now WE Nagualists KNOW that there are THREE MODES OF AWARENESS: 1^st, 2^nd, and 3^rd Attention.
WHICH OF THESE DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR CHURCH?
Can you LOCATE these things in YOUR BIBLE?
DO YOU DO BIBLE STUDIES ON THEM?

Have there EVER been any THIRD ATTENTION WARRIORS in the HISTORY of your Chosen Denominations?

These churches are just kiddies playpens for PLAYING �CHURCH!�
The REAL SERIOUS BUSINESS of FELLOWSHIPPING WITH GOD ON ALL LEVELS OF REALITY does not arise. There are people who would be ready to KILL ME for saying that Jesus TOLD A LIE as to what THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT OF THE LAW OF Moses IS- they will foam at the mouth, hurl invective and abuse, sarcasm or rebuke, ALL A GIGANTIC SMOKESCREEN to cover up that THEY DO NOT DO THAT EITHER! They DO NOT in ANY Church.
Just like the Disciples, when the going gets tough, they ABANDON Jesus, AND FLEE!

PAUL�S MISSION being to SOW CONFUSION in The church, obliged people to believe that EVERY YAHOO who could blurt out that �Jesus is Lord� is not only a Christian, but also Speaking by The Holy Ghost!
There would be people who would DEFINITELY KNOW that �Brother B� certainly WASN�T a Man of God, because- ! This would lead to ENVYING, ANGER, HATRED, DIVISIONS, and WARFARE!
Notice how cunningly Paul addressed his letter: to the Church at Corinth.
Do you suppose that All the Corinthians went to Church at the same venue, under the same roof?
Can someone write to �The Church of Tulsa,� and find that All the Christians were UNITED?
No- there would be all these �SPLINTER-GROUPS� each of whom would have their own pet weird beliefs: NONE OF THEM Knowing The Truth. This was the handiwork of the apostles, in taking away THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL, then handing over the Church to FOOLS who were TOO STUPID to PUT IT BACK.

The FIRST THING that the REAL Jesus would tell anyone who met him in person would be EVERYTHING HE HAD TAUGHT NON EARTH- which has now been LOST for the past twenty centuries.

MATTHEW 24: 14 35.

14. "And This Gospel of The Kingdom shall be preached in all the World for a witness unto all nations; and then shall The End come."
35. "Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my Words shall not pass away."

MATTHEW 28: 16-20.

16. Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
" All Power is given unto me in Heaven and in Earth.
19. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in The Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the World."
Amen.

That this has not happened proves to ME that NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THE REAL Jesus since he ascended.
This leads to logical questions about his REAL status in heaven: IS HE A PRISONER in some 2^nd Gate Realm?
Would that not explain how he would allow his Message to fall into such disrepute?
Were Jesus in a GRAVE, he would have been, not TURNING, but spinning in it all these years, the way his Name and Message have been so abused.

We cannot afford to let Inorganic Beings set us at one another�s throats, while they use us like cattle.
Those who die here are eaten by The Flyers.
Those who escape become the prisoners of the Inorganic Beings, made to orbit somewhere and just DREAM.
Whilst their Life energies are being tapped.

If anyone one else has Mocked-Up a BETTER model of what exactly is going on in Reality, DON�T just say, �YOU�RE NOT THE BEST- THERE�S SOMEONE BETTER!� then tell us NOTHING about that person�s idea.
THIS is NOT a place for you to play the prima donna. You can go do that elsewhere.
Mankind has a BIG PROBLEM, and I am the ONLY single Voice who is working to STOP CHRISTIANITY being PART of the Problem. Everyone else in Christianity is either EXPLOITING THE PROBLEM for their own ends, or else letting the Problem perform an anatomical indecency on the rear parts of their bodies, so to speak.

You will notice that NONE OF THE GREAT JEWISH CHRISTIANS have spoken up on the subject of the importance of the Law of Moses, and how that it is impossible for Jesus to have authorized its being broken by The Church? They would have been the first ones to notice that The Apostles were WAY out of Line, so that they have been lying to The Church since Day One.

The PRIMARY IMPORTANCE in RELIGION is to achieve Total Awareness so that one can communicate with God on one-to-one terms ON HIS OWN TERMS. Like, what if God should want to refer to concepts that literally CROSS UNIVERSE BOUNDARIES, what if your mind could follow every point He touched? Has THAT ever happened yet, do you think? What would the REAL �Big Picture� be like?

We don�t know, because some� behinds have had the idea that WE are NOT WORTHY to know.
That WE are NOT FIT to interact with The Spirits of God, because of our Past History, because of the lineage of our DNA- because of NOTHING Reasons- EXCUSES, really.
I am going WAY out of my way in trying to see to it that this becomes a TEAM EFFORT, not a SOLO effort, because SOLO EFFORTS have NOT yielded good results- the ONE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WHOLE WORLD has generally gotten huffy, when he was made to know that his work was going to be cut out for him, accepted a CHEAP DEAL with God or Inorganic beings, got out and left the World still in Deep [*Bleep!*].

-Olatunde Aroloye

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#506 From: "twousa3000" <ricercaarchtwo@...>
Date: Tue Dec 7, 2004 7:57 am
Subject: Christmas 2004 - Dialogue about Jesus Christ twousa3000
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Jesus defeated death not for him but for all of us. In order to open
to all us the door towards a happy eternity. He defeated death to let
us win that "useless passion" that is the short life on earth,
opening prospectives of infinite when every way seemed closed by the
black wall of a final and inevitable end. Here we will talk about His
Resurrection, trying to answer some questions as the ones which
follow for example:

- Why can we understand the sense of our life only thinking of
eternity ?
- What are the reasons of our Faith?
- And what about people who do not have Faith?
- Why death?
- Can reason and common sense help us in our Faith?
- What is the mistake in the hypothesis which deny Jesus Christ?


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To all the readers a loving greeting
Lorenzo Crescini

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THE GREAT APOSTASY OF THE APOSTLES.

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THE GREAT APOSTASY OF THE APOSTLES.

TOMBOY'S DINAH.